December 2, 2025 • 45 mins
Bob Labriola joins the show at the top of the hour and the guys breakdown the AFC landscape and where the Steelers stand.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
We all know what that sound is.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And of course.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The guy who keeps us entertained on Tuesdays also a
very good friend of ours and we have very deep
thoughts and conversations and a guy I think that's perfect
for this occasion for today, as we kind of parsed
through what we saw, what we could see moving forward.
(00:57):
The noster Thomas of Steelers, I just football is the one,
the only, the Italian Stallion himself, Bob Labriola here on
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How are we doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Bob, you never disappoint me. Max, I'm telling you, this
is the highlight of my week. Is your intro to
this segment, So let me let me ask. Let me
start this off with a question to the author in
the group, Rob King, do you know who Ernest Lawrence
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Taylor is? Failor excuse me, Ernest Lawrence Fayler. Oh not
sure if I do Casey at the back. Uhha, Okay,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Okay, struck out. Sure there is no joy in Mudville.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yes, So the way you know Pittsburgh has been the
last forty eight plus hours, I would say there is
no joy in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
So Bob, you were and please, please please, Among the
many great things that Bob Labriola does, please check out
his interviews with Mike Tomlin prior to the game. Bob
gets great information from the head coach. You can see
the relationship there and the ability to get good answers
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from the coach prior to the game, and asked and
answered one of my favorites. So you were asked this
week about I think it was this week about the
running game and against this Teelers. And one of the
things that you pointed out that I think is interesting
is that it hasn't been every game, It's just been
some games and labs. You brought up a point that
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I've pondered many times. Are you better off having one
glaring weakness as a defense or as a team. We
can't stop the run. Okay, let's get into the lab
and try to figure this out. Let's try to change
personnel or train, change scheme or whatever, or are you
better having a number of small issues. Hey, if we
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move this chess piece over here, this guy gets back
from injury, we played this guy, which is better. You know,
the fact that it's not a game in game out
issue means it's not just one issue to me for
this Steelers. And I think, you know, this isn't exactly
what you were saying, but I think it's a parallel
thought that that's not good. That's not good when you
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you know, if you just, hey, we can't stop the run. Okay,
let's let's figure out a way to get better. You know,
you didn't stop the run, but maybe the week before
you didn't stop the pass. And this is not that's
not a good development. And you know, again, I'll be
interested to see how teams attack this Toeers down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But that was rough to watch.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
On Sunday, that that running the Bills, just running the
same play over and over and over again and getting
no response from the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, and you know that's going to forget at the
Buffalo Bill's or without there's too starting offensive facules. You know,
I remember back in the Chuck Nole days when you
would ask him a question similar to that, is it
better to have one glaring weakness that you can try
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and fix or you know, you know, as Mike tomerray
first with popcorn, you know this one week, that one
week something else the next week after that, And Chuck
Nole would always say something like drowning or getting burned
in a fire.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
How would you rather die?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Because really, I think that either way is you know,
the football version of death. If it's one glaring weakness
that is consistent, that will kill your team. If it's
something different all the time that you know, you think
you have it fixed, and the next week it's not,
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and then you try that and then something else. You know,
it's having a leaky boat. That's also depth for your
football team. I don't know the answer to how to
fix it. I don't know, you know, which is worse.
I'm kind of on the Chuck Noll field with that
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in terms of it doesn't really matter. Both of them
are calamitous and stopping the run is just, you know,
basic stuff. And you know, a lot's been made of
the fact that that was the most rushing yards the
Steelers allowed to an opponent since the Buffalo Bills in
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nineteen seventy five. Go back and look at that roster
nineteen seventy five Steelers. How did that happen? You know,
you're talking about a lot of Hall of famers on
that defense. How did they give up two hundred and
seventy two yards rushing? You know, I'm not going to
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try and make the case that twenty twenty five defenses
will ever become what the nineteen seventy five defense was,
but I think that it's I don't know. I'm baffled, seriously.
You know, when I was thinking about disappearance, I was thinking, boy,
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I hope they don't ask me a lot of questions about,
you know, how to fix things or you know, pinpoint
the problem or because I don't know, and I'm not trying.
I'm being totally honest. I don't know. And I also
believe that if it was clear what the problem was,
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and it was one thing that I don't know, that
it would be a consistent problem or an oncurring issue,
a recurring issue. Excuse me, so sorry, I got I
got nothing for you in terms of answers or specific
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insight that I can offer as to the root of
this problem.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And Bob, you do you know that it is?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know, it's one of those things where it's like
it's okay to have you know, no answer. You know,
the problem is when you try and fake like you
got an answer and you really don't. So you know
that there's there's a lot to be said when you
can just admit to not knowing. And I think that's
you know, from our perspective, that's acceptable, but when it
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comes to, you know, the coaching perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
You can't kind of you can't utilize that answer, right.
I mean I think that because that's what the ethos
of your job is is to have an answer and
to know what is going on, like get to the
root of the issue.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Whether you want to.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
State it or not, but you need to know and
you need to attack that full head of steam. You know,
we were always taught as players that you know, attack
your weaknesses, right, you know, make your weakness of strength,
do whatever it takes to turn that around for you.
And you know, I look around the locker room and
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you know, at guys and I just I think the
biggest thing that I that I take away from it is.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I need to see more stand up and account it for.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
And you know, I think Aaron Rodgers kind of laid
out some very sobering thoughts after the game, you know,
as far as how guys are approaching this job, this
profession from.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Week to week.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And you know, for a guy of his ilk to
to come out and say some of those things, it's like, Okay, well,
maybe I need to listen to him, right. I mean,
there's a reason why he's been around for the last
almost two decades, right, is because he's been doing things
a certain way and that and that has yielded fruit.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And you need to have everybody bought into this process.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So I think, you know, I look at those words,
and those words kind of ring out just as much, right,
you know, a film session schedule, get to.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The film session.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And I think that's where the frustrating because that that
that comes down to the players ask.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I know we can there's a lot of things we
could put on the coaches, but.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That's one where it's like, not player accountability matters just
as much here in this in this situation.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, And you know that to me is also one
of the difficult things from my perspective, trying to answer
questions like, you know, I don't know that. I don't know.
It doesn't seem to me that I remember Aaron Smith
saying a lot of times about questions. You know, he
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would always say, it's a mindset. And I think a
lot of stuff in the run comes down to that,
you know, the scheme or whatever. I mean, you know,
be in your gaps. I mean, I've been hearing that
since the eighties. I don't know that that changes. But then,
you know, being there and then doing the right thing,
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or doing what is necessary or winning your one on
one matchup is what it comes down to. And you know,
I just don't, I don't. I would think that a
lot of what we saw on Sunday had to do with,
you know, Buffalo winning one on one matchups, specifically in
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the interior line, uh in the interior line of scrimmage,
Buffalo's interior three against you know, the Steelers make up
in the in that area of the defense. You know,
from play to play, series to series how that played out.
And then also you know, getting off blocks and I
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don't know that that happened enough. Again, I hate to
point the finger at things because I'm not confident that
I'm right and I don't want to say call out
a name or a position, you know, or any of
that kind of stuff and be wrong, because you know,
that's not fair to whoever I would be referring to.
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So that's why I'm kind of being general in this area.
But you know, I don't know that there's a whole
lot different in the NFL and stopping the run from
the seventies to the eighties to the two thousands, it
seemed to me to be the same basic principles. I
can still, you know, flipping it around in terms of
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running the football, and I can still see that old
NFL films clip with Vince Lombardi standing at the in
front of the blackboard and saying, you know, the idea
is to get a seal here and a seal here,
and we want to run the ball up the alley.
That's what running the football is. It was it in
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the sixties. They're still doing that now. The offense wants
to create the seal there and the seal here, and
the defense wants to prevent that from happening. I don't
know that there's a whole lot of tricks or intricate
schemes or any of that kind of stuff that gets
you to that one way or the other. So, like
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I said, yes, I believe that a lot of it
is player related. I believe for a long time that
the NFL as a players league. You've got to have
the players, uh, and they have to be doing the
right things.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
And oftentimes the right things are things that they have
been doing from the time they were in high school
to advance to this professional level. Why isn't happening. Why
isn't it happening now? I don't know, But you know
the accountability thing. You know, Max, You've been in those
locker rooms in terms of being a player in those
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locker rooms, and so I've always been very interested in
hearing people like you talk about these kinds of things
because I think that the insight and the perspective on
a lot of this stuff can only be had by
people who have lived it. So yeah, I would say
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that maybe that there is not a sufficient amount of
accountability accountability among the guys who are being asked to
do some of these jobs. How can that defense shut
down Jonathan Taylor like that and give up one hundred
and forty four yards to James Cook. I don't know
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how to explain that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's a frustrating one.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and when you talk about things
that you can't explain, I don't understand this one, Bob.
And frankly, you know, look, I'm not trying to be evasive,
you know by saying these things, you've said the same thing.
I literally I don't know what's happening. You know, Max
pointed out what the record could be. You know, four
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times you have have you know, opened up the second
half of the lead against quality opponents and gotten the
ball first. So you've played a good thirty minutes. And
I think this game against Buffalo wasn't a great thirty minutes,
but you had the lead and you were getting the ball.
You know, Seattle Green Bay, a team that you know,
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you had a nine point lead on at the half, Chicago, Buffalo,
and in the past we've seen thet there's be an
excellent third quarter team. For whatever reason, they have not
been a good third quarter team. In fact, they've been
the worst in three point one points per game that
was going into this last week. I haven't seen the
updated numbers. That's clearly going down. But I don't know
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what to make of that I don't know why that's
the case. You know, a score here, a score there. Okay,
you don't maybe you don't do it every time, but shoot,
you score a you score a couple of times, and
you win a couple of those games most likely, and
you're eight and four instead of six and six. And
again it's that has been a strength of Mike Tomlin
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and the Steelers. And I don't understand what's going on.
I just I literally don't. I don't know. I don't
have an answer.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, and I think one of the other things that
you know, has become, you know, a buzzword or buzz
phrase that you know. I have heard from Hall of
Fame players that it is a bunch of hooey halftime adjustments.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I'm gonna read you a Peyton Manning quote. Seriously, this
is Peyton Manning, and there is I don't know that
you can argue where he ranks on the all time
list of great quarterbacks and all that stuff, and that's fine,
but I don't think anyone would ever argue that that
guy wasn't uber prepared for everything. And this is his quote.
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I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment
during my entire nineteen year career. I think that's the
biggest myth in football, the halftime adjustice adjustments. You go in,
you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges,
then the head coach says, all right, let's go. And
you know, asking about halftime adjustments, that's pretty much the
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the answer I always get, especially in the NFL. It's
twelve minutes. Like Aaron Rodgers said on Sunday, part of
that time is walking into the locker room. Part of
that is time is walking out of the locker room
and that clock's ticking. I mean, that's a really you know,
it's not twelve minutes, like well, you look at your
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watch and you figure what twelve minutes is and maybe
it ends up being fourteen. In the NFL, they actually
run the clock like it's during the game and you've
got to be out there. So I don't know what
kind of adjustments at halftime. You know, a team can
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legitimately make a lot of that stuff has to happen
on the sideline during the game, and you know, so right, Robot,
it's that the fuddles me about that halftime stuff. You know,
going in with a lead and coming out and that
third quarter on Sunday was just awful. I mean awful
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and just about every every way you wanted to view it,
from offense to defense, turning the ball over, not looking
like I don't know, you know what you're doing, And
how does that happen? If you played thirty minutes of
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football against a good team and you did well enough
to have a lead, then all of a sudden, you
come out in the second half and you look like
you haven't practiced in a month, you know, because like
I said, I don't believe for a minute that Sean
McDermott and Joe Braid and whoever his defensive coordinator were
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in there and they changed around what they were doing
and came out and wow, I'll look at this plan, Well,
this is spectacular. I mean, they were doing the same stuff,
only they were it was working. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Well, and defensively, there wasn't a lot of variation. I mean,
the only thing that they did was probably keep more
guys tighter in the box area to prevent our run.
But at the same token, I'm like, this isn't a
game that was gonna call for eleven personnel, So why
do we have three wide receivers out there.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I get you're.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Trying to make sure that you keep this as balanced
looking as possible to try and catch them sleeping.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But you know, at this stage, people can kind of
figure out who you are.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
As a team, as an organization. They can start to
make those it was kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Assessments.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think he's probably the best way of saying that.
But you know, to Peyton Manning's point, there is there
is enough time with those twelve minutes to make one
or two adjustments. But you're not changing the entire You're
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gonna changing the entire offensive or defensive plan. You're just
simply kind of talking about, hey, this is what they
like going after, this is what they've done well in
case because not everybody's reading the status sheet, but hey,
this is what we need to work out watch out for,
you know, make sure you're you're playing outside leverage, Joey,
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you know, and I think that can be adjusted in
the locker room at halftime. Offensively, would be can we
just get a first down? Like literally, just get a
first down by any means necessarily.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You got you gotta chew on some ankles.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
You know, you have the hog tie the guy I
don't care get first downs, keep drives alive, because you
won't necessarily get another shot at that potentially, or you're
gonna get or you're gonna get so many shots of
it that you're never that you're never gonna want to
see it again. You're gonna have it in your nightmares.
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And I think the latter was what Buffalo was going for.
I said, until until you beat it, we are going
to run it down your throat.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And it worked. It worked. I hate to say it,
but it worked.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, And I've always been a proponent of that as well.
Run until they stop it. You know, I think in
some instances, and I'm not referring to Sunday's game by
any means. And this is just a generalized thing. Too
many toys in the toy box feel like you're gonna
play with them all.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I wondered about that, Bob, that's a that's a good
I've been I've been wondering that same exact thing. Are
you better off? Maybe just simply it's a chicken. Sorry
to cut you off, but it's been this chicken and
egg talk. Well, if we had the ball more, then
everybody get more carries or everybody get more touches.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Maybe you need to Maybe you need.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
To cut down on on who's getting the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Maybe that will allow more touches. Maybe it's the other
way around.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I don't know, right, Yeah, the narrative, you know, and
again I apologize for uh singling this individual out, but
it is a common narrative. Get the ball to Pat Fryermans. Well,
I mean, you know, is is that the key to winning?
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Or because if if it's not open, or if they're
not allowing it, or you know whatever, don't try, don't
try and force it, do something else or you know,
I don't know, because again, watching it from the press box, Max,
you got that view as well, I didn't see a
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whole lot of guys running open.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That seems you've been an issue.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
And yeah, I think right now everything and we're bringing
these things up why because fans are asking these questions,
and as Mike Tomlin frequently says, when the team is
not going well, everything is on the table for discussion.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So we're trying to bring.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Up things that may or may not happen, but we'll see.
We always love spending our tuesdays with labs.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Bob.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Thanks very much for being with us. Man, appreciate it.
Look forward to talking to you and seeing you later
on in the week.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Okay, Fellaws, have a good week.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That is Bob Labriola, and we're going to go around
the NFL, the scores and the outcomes that are affecting
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Speaker 6 (24:26):
And thanks very much for being with us, and we
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Speaker 2 (24:42):
So always great to see Labs with us.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm going to step aside just for a moment to
just sort of take a look at the larger picture,
where the Steelers fit in the landscape, where this importance
of this game fits in the landscape of what's going
on in the NFL, and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You know, just basically where everybody is.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
So the Patriots are on a bye this week, along
with the Giants, the forty nine Ers, and the Panthers.
So let's keep that in mind as we take a
look at the standings and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So Max, as we take.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
A look at the AFC East Patriots and Bills two
horse race Dolphins still at five and seven, thinking about
going ten and seven, right the Dolphins are, They've won
three straight games.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They are on a roll. The Steelers are going to
be facing them.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
It will be nice to face a team that's lost
to you know, lost a game or so well. They've
only got one more, two more games before they face
this steer that they have the Saints and they have
the Jets. I'm sorry, I beg your pardon. They just
beat the Saints, so they have the Jets. If you
are the Dolphins, you're at the Jets. At the Steelers,
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you have Cincinnati at home, and you know, you are
really hoping to be eight and seven at that point,
and then you take on Tampa at home, and then
you're at New England, and at that point, I think
you're thinking anything can happen. Who knows, New England. Maybe
they're resting the regulars. You've at least kind of like
Cincinnati got a bit of a puncher's chance because you've
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come on strong and that win against the Buffalo Bills
is and what they really trounced him is one that
they're hoping turns around their season. So it's a two
horse race for the division, the Patriots and the Bills.
With again, the Patriots have a bye this week and
then they're gonna be facing their last four games. They're
clearly in the driver's seat. They've won ten consecutive games,
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but the Bills. The Bills have looked like like they
did against the Steelers on Sunday, like a team that
is an absolute legitimate contender. And then they've looked like
what are you doing losing to the Falcons and the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So that's the AFC East. Anything to add to that picture.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I guess if I look at it, no, I mean,
I think it is what it is at this point, right,
you know, for the Steelers's division or bust, and we've
kind of given up the cushion that we created earlier
in this year to where the wild card was a
very viable option. At least that was the worst consolation
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you figured after this season.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Would be that.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But you know, with with the with the five contests
that we have left, that prospect is looking tougher and
tougher because two of the teams that are in that
beat you head to head yep, So how would you
ever leap frog them?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So that's where this becomes an even tougher prospect. Still doable,
like you said, still could do it and get it done,
but man, you put yourself in a very tough place
to have to.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Be great when you haven't really had that.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Successful smooth start at all this season. I mean, opening
drive touchdowns bout as smooth as it has gotten. We
can't score more than seven points in in the first quarter.
Like you said, the sun change, tight end s type
of stuff have as way way later.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So yeah, I agree with you, Rob, Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
You know, when you don't start well and you don't
finish well, that's not a good combination, and that's kind
of where the Steelers are right now. They're not starting
well and they're not finishing well, so that's a problem.
So we're gonna skip the aph YOU North because we
talked about it, the Ravens and Steelers, the Bengals. AFC
South is looking a little like the AFC North. Right,
look like the Steelers are running away with things. Look
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like the Jaguars are running away with things? Well are
the Colts were running away with things? Now the Jaguars
are in first place. The Jaguars have won three in
a row. The Colts have lost to in a row,
and right on their heels is a Texans team that's
won four in a row. Remember everybody thought the Texans
were gonna win that division and then they were giving up.
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Hey man, roadkill side of the road. They're done. Well,
they're not so done anymore. I mean they're seven and five,
They're only a game out. It has become in a
little bit like the AFC North, and that the Colts
had what seemed to be a commanding lead that has
slipped away. That is going to be the most intriguing
division I think in the AFC. Now we'll see again,
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if New England Falters Buffalos right there, right, I mean,
that's a possibility that those teams could could wind up playing,
you know, some seriously meaningful games in the last couple
of weeks of the season. The Bills at New England
looms as a potentially huge game coming up in two
weeks after the Bills host the Bengals on this Sunday. So,
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but that AFC south Man is it's crazy and it's
wide open, and I I couldn't pick a favorite right now,
although I still think I think that the Texans might
be the best team.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
The Texans have been looking good and their defense has
been stout all year. I don't know if I still
trust the Texans offense. Right they played inspire ball. They
played rivalry ball against the Colts. It looked good. They
beat the breaks off the Bills. But I still don't
think the Bills are that great. I just think we
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just played that bad.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
My probably my team is probably New England.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
No I'm talking about I'm talking about just in that division,
just in their division.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know how we go around, So I thought we
were but yes, okay, if we're talking about in that division,
because yeah, I think, well, let's let's shift it. Jacksonville
is a team that has the potential. But Jacksonville's also
had this potential the last two years that the Houston
Texas have beaten them and won the division. So when
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does potential just become an unrealized gain?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Like, when do you have to say I think this
is that year you have to say it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
But that defense for the for the Texans, who I mean,
you know in that division you have some hot tape, right,
But what the Texans are doing to make this last
second push is pretty remarkable. And isn't it funny that
all the teams making the last push are the ones
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who were the favorites going into the season, minus.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
That might be your one surprise, but in the South,
it was always supposed to be the Texans. The Colts
were never supposed to be here. You know, they were
going to be the number three team behind the Tights,
because we knew the Titans were going to struggle, but
you know, rookie quarterback, you know a lot of new
faces needed to gel there. They were going to be
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last place in there in this division. But you know,
for the Rams, was the opposite, like you just got
super old, you know, really quick, and so now you're
trying to figure out who who who is that team?
But I really like what the Texas have done to
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build around Will Anderson and get pieces that will make
him look good or give him the one on one.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
So he's not double team the entire day. Uh.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And now you're starting to see the fruits of that labor.
I mean, I still go back to that jet, that
that Seattle game, the Monday night er where the defense
literally did everything they could and their office just could
not move the football with all of the turnovers on
the plus side, they just couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And now we sit here look.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
At the Texans and say, now the Texts are doing it,
but they got something in you know, their quarterback at CJ. Stroud,
who knows how to spend a football. So you pair
it up with takeaways, with three and outs and opportunity.
It just gives the Texas too much life to be
that far disconnected from being a team that could be
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on the rise.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
For that huge, huge game at Kansas City. I mean
for both those teams, you know, if the loser of
that game, I mean, especially if it's the Chiefs. The
Chiefs lose, I just can't see how nine and seven
or a ten and seven.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I guess ten and.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Seven could still get them a wild card, but I
mean that would be a tough, tough loss for the Chiefs.
That would drop the three and five in the conference,
which gets us to the AFC West Denver with a
two game lead over the Chargers. The Broncos have won
nine straight games, and you know they It's interesting when
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you look at point differential and again that it doesn't
really matter. I understand that, but New England has a
much larger point differential. The Colts have a much larger
point differential. The Chiefs have a better point differential than
the Broncos. But the Broncos are finding ways to win.
I think maybe they're playing a certain style as well
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that doesn't lend them to blowouts. Regardless, the Broncos look
like a terrific team. Two up on the Chargers and
four up on the Kansas City Chiefs. Amazing what the
Broncos have done this year. You know, I think it's
not a huge shocker, Like I expected Jacksonville to be better.
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We talked about this at the beginning of the season.
I'm surprised they're in first place at this point of
the season. Thought they'd be better. I thought they'd maybe
get to eight wins, which would be a nice improvement,
maybe nine if things broke right. I didn't expect them
to be at first place. And we'll see what happens
dound the rest of the year. But you know, Denver's
remaining schedule at Las Vegas against green Bay, against Jacksonville,
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at Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Against the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
So if they win it, you know, with with four
tough games coming up after Vegas, this would be a
big win for them. Eleven and two definitely gets them
in the playoffs. Doesn't necessarily win them the division, but
you know, the Broncos are the tough schedule down the
stretch as well. But again, they look like, and as
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they have all seasons, sort of the class of the
of the AFC West.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, they are the class of it. And yeah, I
mean who would have predicted this, right, you know, to
go this far to the season, and I mean and
to just win ill a win after win after win
after win.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It it's impressive, I feel like is not a strong
enough word.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yep, agreed.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
You know what I'm saying, like it like it is
just it is.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It is unbelievable. Uh. And this is a team unlike
the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Right when we talk about the Broncos, they've been leading,
they've been losing right halftime just about every single game.
And it flips in the second half for them. And
that's when bo Nix comes a lot. That's when this
defense starts to get, you know, really good. I think,
you know, the Commander's game was the closest a team
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has gotten to being able to stick it to them
because they were able to force that game into overtime.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Whereas usually the Broncos have closed those games.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Out and that was like a crack in the armor
for them. But they overcame that and overtime and you
know and obviously dominating one.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
But you know, it wasn't for.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
The lack of effort for the quarterback position, not a
lack of effort from you know, the receivers in those moments,
like they went down and they went and took it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And even though they were the team that was at home.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Like they they were, they weren't, they weren't deterred. And
I think that's there's something to be said. When you
look at that, you kind of say, hey, what could
be It's possible for anybody. Look at what they did, right,
look at what you know And I know this isn't
in the AFC West, but what New England.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Did to turn around in the year right, Yes, that
it has been easy.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's been super, super impressive and Max, we have to
leave off there because we have to head to a
break just quickly. In the NFC East, the Eagles the
Cowboys are trying to reel them in. They've won three
in a row. Those are the two teams fighting there,
the Bears, Packers and Lions till alive in the North.
The South looks like it's going to come down to
the Bucks and the Panthers who have just kind of
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hung around and hung around. And the NFC West, the
only team eliminated from the playoffs theres Arizona the Rams
at nine and three, Seattle at nine and three, San
Francisco at nine and four.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Kind of what we all expected.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
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Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well the great day.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
In the locker room, mey is I get the honors
to introduce the bell lap and as Max and Wolf
like to tell you, this is your early warning system
for lunch, grab yourself a nice repat. Remember, as Alvao
Martine reminded us, that is glum as we might be,
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the sun will come up tomorrow. I have already had
my repast. I have had a just a wonderful brunch
of apple pie and bacon.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
My wife cooks some bacon. I'm ready to go some
apple pie.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I am ready for well, first I had the apple pie,
and then I came back to the bacon, which was really.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah, okay, so a little so a little sweet, thin
savory what you're saying instead of savory and sweet?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah? I mean normally I think you go apple pie.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
But but a lot of people are you You're a
coffee drinker, are you not?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Max? I am not. I could do like a cold
I could do the cold brew every.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Once sofee a cup of coffee and leftover apple pie.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I don't want to.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I don't want to throw over the third member of
our broadcast team. So I'm not going to use her
name so that that that'll create anonymity for her, the
third member of our broadcast team. But she had an
apple pie with coffee on. I think after Thanksgiving. It's
just it is just a wonderful. If you're a coffee drinker,
it's hard to beat that for breakfast. And you get
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it about I don't know, five days a year, maybe
after Christmas, after Thanksgiving. You don't really get it much
after that, but man, it is a and maybe you
get the occasional pie in the summer. You know, you
got to get yourself a peach pie or a blueberry pie.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
My mouth is, my mouth is actually watering right now.
I don't think it's I don't think it's my cough drop.
I think it's the notion of of of pie.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
I'll eat any pie, cherry pie, pecan pie. I don't
pecan pie is a it's uh. I think of that
as more of a Southern delicacy. So when I'm down south,
I try.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
To get that.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But oh, man, is that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah it is, it is.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
And the recruiting tool used to help get Tony door
Set to pitt that, Oh yeah, peacon pie was I
think what put Johnny Major's over the top.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And it is recruiting of Tony dor Set. Oh my gosh,
that's hilarious. Yeah, now I have to say, I'm I'm
I'm looking for peach. I'm cobbler hunting. I'm a cobbler
fan this time of year, and for my early lunch
warning system, which won't be so early. I have a disappointment,
and then right after that disappointment, I am making a
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beeline to go find me some peach cobbler because I
feel like I deserve it.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's good stuff. Peach cobber is good stuff. Max.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
We are getting ready to kind of turn the corner
here a little still a little bit of moping around,
dragging our feet a little bit about the bills, and
we'll talk about that in context of what is coming
for this Jewish because you can't just ignore what happened,
and you can't ignore, you know, the issues. I mean,
it's been a season and this almost is the definition
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of a six and sixteen moments where you've thought, okay,
all right, it's all coming together, and moments you've thought,
what in the world was that this was the most
What in the world was that game of the year,
I think even more than the Chargers game. And so
the Steelers again, you keep waiting for him to come
up with that consistency. Hey, the running game was here,
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the passing game was here. We stopped the running this game.
We did a pretty good job against the pass game
in that game. We created turnombers here. We didn't turn
it over there. But all those scenarios have been flipped
and we're still waiting for a way to find consistency here.
Really looking forward to Mike Tommins comments coming up in
just a few minutes here as the Steelers get ready
to turn the page here and get ready for a
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huge game against the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, it's gonna be a huge one and you know,
be very interesting. Like I said, i'mould be tuned in.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I can't wait to hear kind of what Mike t
has to say.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to hear him
kind of go over the game plan and the what
went right what wrong aspects. But you know, the play
is the plan. So whatever that play is going to be,
you've got to go and attack attack it as best
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you can. The weaknesses that you have, the areas you
feel like you could you could control or improve, and
what personnel you're going to have.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
I think that's the other thing that's going to be
of note is.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Hearing how everybody has fared after the game, and so
the inflection of the voice, the ability for Mike Tomin,
who's always this word smith when he's up there, he's
got to do a little more pointed in direct today
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because of because of how Sunday early evening, dusk into
evening went.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Went for this Deeler squad.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
YEP, it is going to be interesting the comments coming
up here in just a few minutes. We want to
thank Alvro Martin. We want to thank Bob Labriola, our producer,
Justin Miller in the iHeart Studio.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Most of all, Max Starks and myself, Robkin
Speaker 6 (45:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:31):
We all know what that sound is.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
And of course.
Speaker 4 (00:35):
The guy who keeps us entertained on Tuesdays also a
very good friend of ours and we have very deep
thoughts and conversations and a guy I think that's perfect
for this occasion for today, as we kind of parsed
through what we saw, what we could see moving forward.
(00:57):
The noster Thomas of Steelers, I just football is the one,
the only, the Italian Stallion himself, Bob Labriola here on
the show.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
How are we doing today?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Bob, you never disappoint me. Max, I'm telling you, this
is the highlight of my week. Is your intro to
this segment, So let me let me ask. Let me
start this off with a question to the author in
the group, Rob King, do you know who Ernest Lawrence
(01:32):
Taylor is? Failor excuse me, Ernest Lawrence Fayler. Oh not
sure if I do Casey at the back. Uhha, Okay,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Okay, struck out. Sure there is no joy in Mudville.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
Yes, So the way you know Pittsburgh has been the
last forty eight plus hours, I would say there is
no joy in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
So Bob, you were and please, please please, Among the
many great things that Bob Labriola does, please check out
his interviews with Mike Tomlin prior to the game. Bob
gets great information from the head coach. You can see
the relationship there and the ability to get good answers
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from the coach prior to the game, and asked and
answered one of my favorites. So you were asked this
week about I think it was this week about the
running game and against this Teelers. And one of the
things that you pointed out that I think is interesting
is that it hasn't been every game, It's just been
some games and labs. You brought up a point that
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I've pondered many times. Are you better off having one
glaring weakness as a defense or as a team. We
can't stop the run. Okay, let's get into the lab
and try to figure this out. Let's try to change
personnel or train, change scheme or whatever, or are you
better having a number of small issues. Hey, if we
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move this chess piece over here, this guy gets back
from injury, we played this guy, which is better. You know,
the fact that it's not a game in game out
issue means it's not just one issue to me for
this Steelers. And I think, you know, this isn't exactly
what you were saying, but I think it's a parallel
thought that that's not good. That's not good when you
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you know, if you just, hey, we can't stop the run. Okay,
let's let's figure out a way to get better. You know,
you didn't stop the run, but maybe the week before
you didn't stop the pass. And this is not that's
not a good development. And you know, again, I'll be
interested to see how teams attack this Toeers down the stretch.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
But that was rough to watch.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
On Sunday, that that running the Bills, just running the
same play over and over and over again and getting
no response from the Steelers.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
Yeah, and you know that's going to forget at the
Buffalo Bill's or without there's too starting offensive facules. You know,
I remember back in the Chuck Nole days when you
would ask him a question similar to that, is it
better to have one glaring weakness that you can try
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and fix or you know, you know, as Mike tomerray
first with popcorn, you know this one week, that one
week something else the next week after that, And Chuck
Nole would always say something like drowning or getting burned
in a fire.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
How would you rather die?
Speaker 5 (04:40):
Because really, I think that either way is you know,
the football version of death. If it's one glaring weakness
that is consistent, that will kill your team. If it's
something different all the time that you know, you think
you have it fixed, and the next week it's not,
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and then you try that and then something else. You know,
it's having a leaky boat. That's also depth for your
football team. I don't know the answer to how to
fix it. I don't know, you know, which is worse.
I'm kind of on the Chuck Noll field with that
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in terms of it doesn't really matter. Both of them
are calamitous and stopping the run is just, you know,
basic stuff. And you know, a lot's been made of
the fact that that was the most rushing yards the
Steelers allowed to an opponent since the Buffalo Bills in
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nineteen seventy five. Go back and look at that roster
nineteen seventy five Steelers. How did that happen? You know,
you're talking about a lot of Hall of famers on
that defense. How did they give up two hundred and
seventy two yards rushing? You know, I'm not going to
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try and make the case that twenty twenty five defenses
will ever become what the nineteen seventy five defense was,
but I think that it's I don't know. I'm baffled, seriously.
You know, when I was thinking about disappearance, I was thinking, boy,
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I hope they don't ask me a lot of questions about,
you know, how to fix things or you know, pinpoint
the problem or because I don't know, and I'm not trying.
I'm being totally honest. I don't know. And I also
believe that if it was clear what the problem was,
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and it was one thing that I don't know, that
it would be a consistent problem or an oncurring issue,
a recurring issue. Excuse me, so sorry, I got I
got nothing for you in terms of answers or specific
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insight that I can offer as to the root of
this problem.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
And Bob, you do you know that it is?
Speaker 4 (07:29):
You know, it's one of those things where it's like
it's okay to have you know, no answer. You know,
the problem is when you try and fake like you
got an answer and you really don't. So you know
that there's there's a lot to be said when you
can just admit to not knowing. And I think that's
you know, from our perspective, that's acceptable, but when it
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comes to, you know, the coaching perspective.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
You can't kind of you can't utilize that answer, right.
I mean I think that because that's what the ethos
of your job is is to have an answer and
to know what is going on, like get to the
root of the issue.
Speaker 3 (08:09):
Whether you want to.
Speaker 4 (08:10):
State it or not, but you need to know and
you need to attack that full head of steam. You know,
we were always taught as players that you know, attack
your weaknesses, right, you know, make your weakness of strength,
do whatever it takes to turn that around for you.
And you know, I look around the locker room and
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you know, at guys and I just I think the
biggest thing that I that I take away from it is.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I need to see more stand up and account it for.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
And you know, I think Aaron Rodgers kind of laid
out some very sobering thoughts after the game, you know,
as far as how guys are approaching this job, this
profession from.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Week to week.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
And you know, for a guy of his ilk to
to come out and say some of those things, it's like, Okay, well,
maybe I need to listen to him, right. I mean,
there's a reason why he's been around for the last
almost two decades, right, is because he's been doing things
a certain way and that and that has yielded fruit.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
And you need to have everybody bought into this process.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
So I think, you know, I look at those words,
and those words kind of ring out just as much, right,
you know, a film session schedule, get to.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
The film session.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
And I think that's where the frustrating because that that
that comes down to the players ask.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
I know we can there's a lot of things we
could put on the coaches, but.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
That's one where it's like, not player accountability matters just
as much here in this in this situation.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, And you know that to me is also one
of the difficult things from my perspective, trying to answer
questions like, you know, I don't know that. I don't know.
It doesn't seem to me that I remember Aaron Smith
saying a lot of times about questions. You know, he
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would always say, it's a mindset. And I think a
lot of stuff in the run comes down to that,
you know, the scheme or whatever. I mean, you know,
be in your gaps. I mean, I've been hearing that
since the eighties. I don't know that that changes. But then,
you know, being there and then doing the right thing,
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or doing what is necessary or winning your one on
one matchup is what it comes down to. And you know,
I just don't, I don't. I would think that a
lot of what we saw on Sunday had to do with,
you know, Buffalo winning one on one matchups, specifically in
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the interior line, uh in the interior line of scrimmage,
Buffalo's interior three against you know, the Steelers make up
in the in that area of the defense. You know,
from play to play, series to series how that played out.
And then also you know, getting off blocks and I
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don't know that that happened enough. Again, I hate to
point the finger at things because I'm not confident that
I'm right and I don't want to say call out
a name or a position, you know, or any of
that kind of stuff and be wrong, because you know,
that's not fair to whoever I would be referring to.
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So that's why I'm kind of being general in this area.
But you know, I don't know that there's a whole
lot different in the NFL and stopping the run from
the seventies to the eighties to the two thousands, it
seemed to me to be the same basic principles. I
can still, you know, flipping it around in terms of
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running the football, and I can still see that old
NFL films clip with Vince Lombardi standing at the in
front of the blackboard and saying, you know, the idea
is to get a seal here and a seal here,
and we want to run the ball up the alley.
That's what running the football is. It was it in
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the sixties. They're still doing that now. The offense wants
to create the seal there and the seal here, and
the defense wants to prevent that from happening. I don't
know that there's a whole lot of tricks or intricate
schemes or any of that kind of stuff that gets
you to that one way or the other. So, like
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I said, yes, I believe that a lot of it
is player related. I believe for a long time that
the NFL as a players league. You've got to have
the players, uh, and they have to be doing the
right things.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
And oftentimes the right things are things that they have
been doing from the time they were in high school
to advance to this professional level. Why isn't happening. Why
isn't it happening now? I don't know, But you know
the accountability thing. You know, Max, You've been in those
locker rooms in terms of being a player in those
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locker rooms, and so I've always been very interested in
hearing people like you talk about these kinds of things
because I think that the insight and the perspective on
a lot of this stuff can only be had by
people who have lived it. So yeah, I would say
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that maybe that there is not a sufficient amount of
accountability accountability among the guys who are being asked to
do some of these jobs. How can that defense shut
down Jonathan Taylor like that and give up one hundred
and forty four yards to James Cook. I don't know
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how to explain that.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Yeah, I don't either.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
It's a frustrating one.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
Yeah, yeah, you know, and when you talk about things
that you can't explain, I don't understand this one, Bob.
And frankly, you know, look, I'm not trying to be evasive,
you know by saying these things, you've said the same thing.
I literally I don't know what's happening. You know, Max
pointed out what the record could be. You know, four
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times you have have you know, opened up the second
half of the lead against quality opponents and gotten the
ball first. So you've played a good thirty minutes. And
I think this game against Buffalo wasn't a great thirty minutes,
but you had the lead and you were getting the ball.
You know, Seattle Green Bay, a team that you know,
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you had a nine point lead on at the half, Chicago, Buffalo,
and in the past we've seen thet there's be an
excellent third quarter team. For whatever reason, they have not
been a good third quarter team. In fact, they've been
the worst in three point one points per game that
was going into this last week. I haven't seen the
updated numbers. That's clearly going down. But I don't know
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what to make of that I don't know why that's
the case. You know, a score here, a score there. Okay,
you don't maybe you don't do it every time, but shoot,
you score a you score a couple of times, and
you win a couple of those games most likely, and
you're eight and four instead of six and six. And
again it's that has been a strength of Mike Tomlin
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and the Steelers. And I don't understand what's going on.
I just I literally don't. I don't know. I don't
have an answer.
Speaker 5 (16:10):
Yeah, and I think one of the other things that
you know, has become, you know, a buzzword or buzz
phrase that you know. I have heard from Hall of
Fame players that it is a bunch of hooey halftime adjustments.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
You know.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
I'm gonna read you a Peyton Manning quote. Seriously, this
is Peyton Manning, and there is I don't know that
you can argue where he ranks on the all time
list of great quarterbacks and all that stuff, and that's fine,
but I don't think anyone would ever argue that that
guy wasn't uber prepared for everything. And this is his quote.
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I don't know if I ever made a halftime adjustment
during my entire nineteen year career. I think that's the
biggest myth in football, the halftime adjustice adjustments. You go in,
you use the restroom, you eat a couple of oranges,
then the head coach says, all right, let's go. And
you know, asking about halftime adjustments, that's pretty much the
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the answer I always get, especially in the NFL. It's
twelve minutes. Like Aaron Rodgers said on Sunday, part of
that time is walking into the locker room. Part of
that is time is walking out of the locker room
and that clock's ticking. I mean, that's a really you know,
it's not twelve minutes, like well, you look at your
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watch and you figure what twelve minutes is and maybe
it ends up being fourteen. In the NFL, they actually
run the clock like it's during the game and you've
got to be out there. So I don't know what
kind of adjustments at halftime. You know, a team can
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legitimately make a lot of that stuff has to happen
on the sideline during the game, and you know, so right, Robot,
it's that the fuddles me about that halftime stuff. You know,
going in with a lead and coming out and that
third quarter on Sunday was just awful. I mean awful
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and just about every every way you wanted to view it,
from offense to defense, turning the ball over, not looking
like I don't know, you know what you're doing, And
how does that happen? If you played thirty minutes of
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football against a good team and you did well enough
to have a lead, then all of a sudden, you
come out in the second half and you look like
you haven't practiced in a month, you know, because like
I said, I don't believe for a minute that Sean
McDermott and Joe Braid and whoever his defensive coordinator were
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in there and they changed around what they were doing
and came out and wow, I'll look at this plan, Well,
this is spectacular. I mean, they were doing the same stuff,
only they were it was working. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Well, and defensively, there wasn't a lot of variation. I mean,
the only thing that they did was probably keep more
guys tighter in the box area to prevent our run.
But at the same token, I'm like, this isn't a
game that was gonna call for eleven personnel, So why
do we have three wide receivers out there.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
I get you're.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
Trying to make sure that you keep this as balanced
looking as possible to try and catch them sleeping.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But you know, at this stage, people can kind of
figure out who you are.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
As a team, as an organization. They can start to
make those it was kind of.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Assessments.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
I think he's probably the best way of saying that.
But you know, to Peyton Manning's point, there is there
is enough time with those twelve minutes to make one
or two adjustments. But you're not changing the entire You're
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gonna changing the entire offensive or defensive plan. You're just
simply kind of talking about, hey, this is what they
like going after, this is what they've done well in
case because not everybody's reading the status sheet, but hey,
this is what we need to work out watch out for,
you know, make sure you're you're playing outside leverage, Joey,
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you know, and I think that can be adjusted in
the locker room at halftime. Offensively, would be can we
just get a first down? Like literally, just get a
first down by any means necessarily.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
You got you gotta chew on some ankles.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
You know, you have the hog tie the guy I
don't care get first downs, keep drives alive, because you
won't necessarily get another shot at that potentially, or you're
gonna get or you're gonna get so many shots of
it that you're never that you're never gonna want to
see it again. You're gonna have it in your nightmares.
(21:26):
And I think the latter was what Buffalo was going for.
I said, until until you beat it, we are going
to run it down your throat.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
And it worked. It worked. I hate to say it,
but it worked.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Yeah, And I've always been a proponent of that as well.
Run until they stop it. You know, I think in
some instances, and I'm not referring to Sunday's game by
any means. And this is just a generalized thing. Too
many toys in the toy box feel like you're gonna
play with them all.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
I wondered about that, Bob, that's a that's a good
I've been I've been wondering that same exact thing. Are
you better off? Maybe just simply it's a chicken. Sorry
to cut you off, but it's been this chicken and
egg talk. Well, if we had the ball more, then
everybody get more carries or everybody get more touches.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
Maybe you need to Maybe you need.
Speaker 6 (22:22):
To cut down on on who's getting the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
Maybe that will allow more touches. Maybe it's the other
way around.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
I don't know, right, Yeah, the narrative, you know, and
again I apologize for uh singling this individual out, but
it is a common narrative. Get the ball to Pat Fryermans. Well,
I mean, you know, is is that the key to winning?
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Or because if if it's not open, or if they're
not allowing it, or you know whatever, don't try, don't
try and force it, do something else or you know,
I don't know, because again, watching it from the press box, Max,
you got that view as well, I didn't see a
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whole lot of guys running open.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
That seems you've been an issue.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
And yeah, I think right now everything and we're bringing
these things up why because fans are asking these questions,
and as Mike Tomlin frequently says, when the team is
not going well, everything is on the table for discussion.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
So we're trying to bring.
Speaker 6 (23:28):
Up things that may or may not happen, but we'll see.
We always love spending our tuesdays with labs.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Bob.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
Thanks very much for being with us. Man, appreciate it.
Look forward to talking to you and seeing you later
on in the week.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
Okay, Fellaws, have a good week.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
That is Bob Labriola, and we're going to go around
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Speaker 6 (24:26):
And thanks very much for being with us, and we
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Speaker 2 (24:42):
So always great to see Labs with us.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I'm going to step aside just for a moment to
just sort of take a look at the larger picture,
where the Steelers fit in the landscape, where this importance
of this game fits in the landscape of what's going
on in the NFL, and.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
You know, just basically where everybody is.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
So the Patriots are on a bye this week, along
with the Giants, the forty nine Ers, and the Panthers.
So let's keep that in mind as we take a
look at the standings and so on and so forth.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
So Max, as we take.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
A look at the AFC East Patriots and Bills two
horse race Dolphins still at five and seven, thinking about
going ten and seven, right the Dolphins are, They've won
three straight games.
Speaker 2 (25:30):
They are on a roll. The Steelers are going to
be facing them.
Speaker 6 (25:33):
It will be nice to face a team that's lost
to you know, lost a game or so well. They've
only got one more, two more games before they face
this steer that they have the Saints and they have
the Jets. I'm sorry, I beg your pardon. They just
beat the Saints, so they have the Jets. If you
are the Dolphins, you're at the Jets. At the Steelers,
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you have Cincinnati at home, and you know, you are
really hoping to be eight and seven at that point,
and then you take on Tampa at home, and then
you're at New England, and at that point, I think
you're thinking anything can happen. Who knows, New England. Maybe
they're resting the regulars. You've at least kind of like
Cincinnati got a bit of a puncher's chance because you've
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come on strong and that win against the Buffalo Bills
is and what they really trounced him is one that
they're hoping turns around their season. So it's a two
horse race for the division, the Patriots and the Bills.
With again, the Patriots have a bye this week and
then they're gonna be facing their last four games. They're
clearly in the driver's seat. They've won ten consecutive games,
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but the Bills. The Bills have looked like like they
did against the Steelers on Sunday, like a team that
is an absolute legitimate contender. And then they've looked like
what are you doing losing to the Falcons and the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
So that's the AFC East. Anything to add to that picture.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I guess if I look at it, no, I mean,
I think it is what it is at this point, right,
you know, for the Steelers's division or bust, and we've
kind of given up the cushion that we created earlier
in this year to where the wild card was a
very viable option. At least that was the worst consolation
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you figured after this season.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Would be that.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
But you know, with with the with the five contests
that we have left, that prospect is looking tougher and
tougher because two of the teams that are in that
beat you head to head yep, So how would you
ever leap frog them?
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Right?
Speaker 4 (27:42):
So that's where this becomes an even tougher prospect. Still doable,
like you said, still could do it and get it done,
but man, you put yourself in a very tough place
to have to.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Be great when you haven't really had that.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
Successful smooth start at all this season. I mean, opening
drive touchdowns bout as smooth as it has gotten. We
can't score more than seven points in in the first quarter.
Like you said, the sun change, tight end s type
of stuff have as way way later.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
So yeah, I agree with you, Rob, Yeah it is.
Speaker 6 (28:29):
You know, when you don't start well and you don't
finish well, that's not a good combination, and that's kind
of where the Steelers are right now. They're not starting
well and they're not finishing well, so that's a problem.
So we're gonna skip the aph YOU North because we
talked about it, the Ravens and Steelers, the Bengals. AFC
South is looking a little like the AFC North. Right,
look like the Steelers are running away with things. Look
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like the Jaguars are running away with things? Well are
the Colts were running away with things? Now the Jaguars
are in first place. The Jaguars have won three in
a row. The Colts have lost to in a row,
and right on their heels is a Texans team that's
won four in a row. Remember everybody thought the Texans
were gonna win that division and then they were giving up.
(29:11):
Hey man, roadkill side of the road. They're done. Well,
they're not so done anymore. I mean they're seven and five,
They're only a game out. It has become in a
little bit like the AFC North, and that the Colts
had what seemed to be a commanding lead that has
slipped away. That is going to be the most intriguing
division I think in the AFC. Now we'll see again,
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if New England Falters Buffalos right there, right, I mean,
that's a possibility that those teams could could wind up playing,
you know, some seriously meaningful games in the last couple
of weeks of the season. The Bills at New England
looms as a potentially huge game coming up in two
weeks after the Bills host the Bengals on this Sunday. So,
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but that AFC south Man is it's crazy and it's
wide open, and I I couldn't pick a favorite right now,
although I still think I think that the Texans might
be the best team.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Okay, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
The Texans have been looking good and their defense has
been stout all year. I don't know if I still
trust the Texans offense. Right they played inspire ball. They
played rivalry ball against the Colts. It looked good. They
beat the breaks off the Bills. But I still don't
think the Bills are that great. I just think we
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just played that bad.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
My probably my team is probably New England.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
No I'm talking about I'm talking about just in that division,
just in their division.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
You know how we go around, So I thought we
were but yes, okay, if we're talking about in that division,
because yeah, I think, well, let's let's shift it. Jacksonville
is a team that has the potential. But Jacksonville's also
had this potential the last two years that the Houston
Texas have beaten them and won the division. So when
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does potential just become an unrealized gain?
Speaker 2 (31:17):
Right?
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Like, when do you have to say I think this
is that year you have to say it.
Speaker 4 (31:22):
But that defense for the for the Texans, who I mean,
you know in that division you have some hot tape, right,
But what the Texans are doing to make this last
second push is pretty remarkable. And isn't it funny that
all the teams making the last push are the ones
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who were the favorites going into the season, minus.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
The Denver Broncos.
Speaker 4 (31:51):
That might be your one surprise, but in the South,
it was always supposed to be the Texans. The Colts
were never supposed to be here. You know, they were
going to be the number three team behind the Tights,
because we knew the Titans were going to struggle, but
you know, rookie quarterback, you know a lot of new
faces needed to gel there. They were going to be
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last place in there in this division. But you know,
for the Rams, was the opposite, like you just got
super old, you know, really quick, and so now you're
trying to figure out who who who is that team?
But I really like what the Texas have done to
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build around Will Anderson and get pieces that will make
him look good or give him the one on one.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
So he's not double team the entire day. Uh.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And now you're starting to see the fruits of that labor.
I mean, I still go back to that jet, that
that Seattle game, the Monday night er where the defense
literally did everything they could and their office just could
not move the football with all of the turnovers on
the plus side, they just couldn't make it happen.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
And now we sit here look.
Speaker 4 (33:09):
At the Texans and say, now the Texts are doing it,
but they got something in you know, their quarterback at CJ. Stroud,
who knows how to spend a football. So you pair
it up with takeaways, with three and outs and opportunity.
It just gives the Texas too much life to be
that far disconnected from being a team that could be
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on the rise.
Speaker 6 (33:31):
For that huge, huge game at Kansas City. I mean
for both those teams, you know, if the loser of
that game, I mean, especially if it's the Chiefs. The
Chiefs lose, I just can't see how nine and seven
or a ten and seven.
Speaker 2 (33:50):
Well, I guess ten and.
Speaker 6 (33:51):
Seven could still get them a wild card, but I
mean that would be a tough, tough loss for the Chiefs.
That would drop the three and five in the conference,
which gets us to the AFC West Denver with a
two game lead over the Chargers. The Broncos have won
nine straight games, and you know they It's interesting when
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you look at point differential and again that it doesn't
really matter. I understand that, but New England has a
much larger point differential. The Colts have a much larger
point differential. The Chiefs have a better point differential than
the Broncos. But the Broncos are finding ways to win.
I think maybe they're playing a certain style as well
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that doesn't lend them to blowouts. Regardless, the Broncos look
like a terrific team. Two up on the Chargers and
four up on the Kansas City Chiefs. Amazing what the
Broncos have done this year. You know, I think it's
not a huge shocker, Like I expected Jacksonville to be better.
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We talked about this at the beginning of the season.
I'm surprised they're in first place at this point of
the season. Thought they'd be better. I thought they'd maybe
get to eight wins, which would be a nice improvement,
maybe nine if things broke right. I didn't expect them
to be at first place. And we'll see what happens
dound the rest of the year. But you know, Denver's
remaining schedule at Las Vegas against green Bay, against Jacksonville,
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at Kansas City.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Against the Chargers.
Speaker 6 (35:21):
So if they win it, you know, with with four
tough games coming up after Vegas, this would be a
big win for them. Eleven and two definitely gets them
in the playoffs. Doesn't necessarily win them the division, but
you know, the Broncos are the tough schedule down the
stretch as well. But again, they look like, and as
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they have all seasons, sort of the class of the
of the AFC West.
Speaker 4 (35:48):
Yeah, they are the class of it. And yeah, I
mean who would have predicted this, right, you know, to
go this far to the season, and I mean and
to just win ill a win after win after win
after win.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
It it's impressive, I feel like is not a strong
enough word.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Yep, agreed.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
You know what I'm saying, like it like it is
just it is.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
It is unbelievable. Uh. And this is a team unlike
the Steelers.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
Right when we talk about the Broncos, they've been leading,
they've been losing right halftime just about every single game.
And it flips in the second half for them. And
that's when bo Nix comes a lot. That's when this
defense starts to get, you know, really good. I think,
you know, the Commander's game was the closest a team
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has gotten to being able to stick it to them
because they were able to force that game into overtime.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Whereas usually the Broncos have closed those games.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Out and that was like a crack in the armor
for them. But they overcame that and overtime and you
know and obviously dominating one.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
But you know, it wasn't for.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
The lack of effort for the quarterback position, not a
lack of effort from you know, the receivers in those moments,
like they went down and they went and took it.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
And even though they were the team that was at home.
Speaker 4 (37:22):
Like they they were, they weren't, they weren't deterred. And
I think that's there's something to be said. When you
look at that, you kind of say, hey, what could
be It's possible for anybody. Look at what they did, right,
look at what you know And I know this isn't
in the AFC West, but what New England.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
Did to turn around in the year right, Yes, that
it has been easy.
Speaker 6 (37:45):
It's been super, super impressive and Max, we have to
leave off there because we have to head to a
break just quickly. In the NFC East, the Eagles the
Cowboys are trying to reel them in. They've won three
in a row. Those are the two teams fighting there,
the Bears, Packers and Lions till alive in the North.
The South looks like it's going to come down to
the Bucks and the Panthers who have just kind of
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hung around and hung around. And the NFC West, the
only team eliminated from the playoffs theres Arizona the Rams
at nine and three, Seattle at nine and three, San
Francisco at nine and four.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Kind of what we all expected.
Speaker 6 (38:20):
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Speaker 2 (39:41):
Well the great day.
Speaker 6 (39:43):
In the locker room, mey is I get the honors
to introduce the bell lap and as Max and Wolf
like to tell you, this is your early warning system
for lunch, grab yourself a nice repat. Remember, as Alvao
Martine reminded us, that is glum as we might be,
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the sun will come up tomorrow. I have already had
my repast. I have had a just a wonderful brunch
of apple pie and bacon.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
My wife cooks some bacon. I'm ready to go some
apple pie.
Speaker 6 (40:21):
I am ready for well, first I had the apple pie,
and then I came back to the bacon, which was really.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
Yeah, okay, so a little so a little sweet, thin
savory what you're saying instead of savory and sweet?
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah? I mean normally I think you go apple pie.
Speaker 6 (40:37):
But but a lot of people are you You're a
coffee drinker, are you not?
Speaker 3 (40:41):
Max? I am not. I could do like a cold
I could do the cold brew every.
Speaker 6 (40:46):
Once sofee a cup of coffee and leftover apple pie.
Speaker 2 (40:51):
And I don't want to.
Speaker 6 (40:53):
I don't want to throw over the third member of
our broadcast team. So I'm not going to use her
name so that that that'll create anonymity for her, the
third member of our broadcast team. But she had an
apple pie with coffee on. I think after Thanksgiving. It's
just it is just a wonderful. If you're a coffee drinker,
it's hard to beat that for breakfast. And you get
(41:15):
it about I don't know, five days a year, maybe
after Christmas, after Thanksgiving. You don't really get it much
after that, but man, it is a and maybe you
get the occasional pie in the summer. You know, you
got to get yourself a peach pie or a blueberry pie.
Speaker 2 (41:30):
My mouth is, my mouth is actually watering right now.
I don't think it's I don't think it's my cough drop.
I think it's the notion of of of pie.
Speaker 6 (41:40):
I'll eat any pie, cherry pie, pecan pie. I don't
pecan pie is a it's uh. I think of that
as more of a Southern delicacy. So when I'm down south,
I try.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
To get that.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
But oh, man, is that good stuff?
Speaker 3 (41:54):
Yeah it is, it is.
Speaker 6 (41:56):
And the recruiting tool used to help get Tony door
Set to pitt that, Oh yeah, peacon pie was I
think what put Johnny Major's over the top.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
And it is recruiting of Tony dor Set. Oh my gosh,
that's hilarious. Yeah, now I have to say, I'm I'm
I'm looking for peach. I'm cobbler hunting. I'm a cobbler
fan this time of year, and for my early lunch
warning system, which won't be so early. I have a disappointment,
and then right after that disappointment, I am making a
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beeline to go find me some peach cobbler because I
feel like I deserve it.
Speaker 2 (42:33):
It's good stuff. Peach cobber is good stuff. Max.
Speaker 6 (42:36):
We are getting ready to kind of turn the corner
here a little still a little bit of moping around,
dragging our feet a little bit about the bills, and
we'll talk about that in context of what is coming
for this Jewish because you can't just ignore what happened,
and you can't ignore, you know, the issues. I mean,
it's been a season and this almost is the definition
(42:58):
of a six and sixteen moments where you've thought, okay,
all right, it's all coming together, and moments you've thought,
what in the world was that this was the most
What in the world was that game of the year,
I think even more than the Chargers game. And so
the Steelers again, you keep waiting for him to come
up with that consistency. Hey, the running game was here,
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the passing game was here. We stopped the running this game.
We did a pretty good job against the pass game
in that game. We created turnombers here. We didn't turn
it over there. But all those scenarios have been flipped
and we're still waiting for a way to find consistency here.
Really looking forward to Mike Tommins comments coming up in
just a few minutes here as the Steelers get ready
to turn the page here and get ready for a
(43:39):
huge game against the Ravens.
Speaker 4 (43:42):
Yeah, it's gonna be a huge one and you know,
be very interesting. Like I said, i'mould be tuned in.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
I can't wait to hear kind of what Mike t
has to say.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I mean, it's it's gonna be interesting to hear him
kind of go over the game plan and the what
went right what wrong aspects. But you know, the play
is the plan. So whatever that play is going to be,
you've got to go and attack attack it as best
(44:15):
you can. The weaknesses that you have, the areas you
feel like you could you could control or improve, and
what personnel you're going to have.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
I think that's the other thing that's going to be
of note is.
Speaker 4 (44:29):
Hearing how everybody has fared after the game, and so
the inflection of the voice, the ability for Mike Tomin,
who's always this word smith when he's up there, he's
got to do a little more pointed in direct today
(44:49):
because of because of how Sunday early evening, dusk into
evening went.
Speaker 3 (44:58):
Went for this Deeler squad.
Speaker 6 (45:03):
YEP, it is going to be interesting the comments coming
up here in just a few minutes. We want to
thank Alvro Martin. We want to thank Bob Labriola, our producer,
Justin Miller in the iHeart Studio.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Most of all, Max Starks and myself, Robkin
Speaker 6 (45:16):
Want to thank you for being with us in the
Locker Room, presented by your neighborhood Ford Store and the
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