November 25, 2025 • 45 mins
In the second hour, Rob and Max speak with Bob Labriola on the state of the team, go around the NFL highlighting topics, and more discussion on this years possible Hall of Fame class.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, that's optimist.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But I know you don't have time to stop. I
get it.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You know, donuts we're not a plenty this week as
we uh pushed through. Now we're on Tuesday, the last
day to kind of, you know, sulk about things before
we move on to the next opponent, which is the
Buffalo Bills and Mike Twin pres conference coming up after
this show on this very network. But Tuesdays are a
(01:05):
Hello day. It's a player's day off in the NFL.
It is a day that you get to rest, you
get to reset, and you get to refocus. And there's
nobody i'd rather, you know, kind of sit on the
pine with and have a conversation Stu one last time then,
(01:26):
of course unofficially the Steelers historian right now. And I
know that lads will lament and say that just means
that You've been around a lot, because you say that,
but we say that affectionately because he is the keeper
and knowledge guy for most things Steelers. See I said
most there, Las, I didn't say all like I normally do.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But he is the editor chief.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Of Steelers Digest, and he is a great friend to
both Rob and I and of course to this program here,
and he is the one the only Bob Labriola doing today.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Bob, yes, pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just golf class golf collaps. Appreciate it. Just uh, monitoring
the food intake getting ready for Thursday?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Will you back it down over the next two days
in preparation for Thursday's feast? And what is your go
to favorite Thanksgiving food?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm not going to limit it to one.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Okay, good good man.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There we go like that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So yeah, yeah, it's usually uh try not to wear
any you know, tight fitting belts or anything for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, no, no zero belts, zero a favorite?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You have more than one favorite? What does your traditional
Thanksgiving feast look like?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I mean it's you know, a lot of people
think that because I'm Italian, that there is some pop
star or something involved, but there is not. Thanksgiving is
and always has been you know that it's the traditional.
It's what everybody eats. Turkey, stuffing, ah, mashed potatoes, candy
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yams pie for dessert. You know, no vegetables of any
kind of course. I mean there's no like salad or
you know. I mean the vegetables I guess would be
the yams and the potatoes, mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, there's some celery and stuffing. You know, a little
bit of celery.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, I'll give you all right, some of that, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Just trying to help it out, trying to help it out, say.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Apple or both in the pie.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm an apple guy. I like pumpkin, but apple pie
is my favorite. My mother's apple pie was legendary. But
you know, we make do with what we have.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Now, Okay, I got a question. Cranberry sauce. No cranberry sauce.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm not a cranberry sauce guy there, but that's not
my I'm not a gravy guy either.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Really, oh labs, he runs out, the gravy runs out.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You could you could just empty the refrigerator as far
as I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Concerned, before you criticize. You know, the candy jams often
have a lot of extra like carmel sauce that they're
floating in. That's better than gravy. Okay, you can use
that on the turkey, on the stuffing, and you can
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also sprinkle it on the drizzle it on the apple
pie too.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Wow. I love it. I love it. That's an awesome
move right there. That is, and I to I need
to stop eating between now.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I need to go on a little bit of a
little bit of a hunger strike between now and Thanksgiving
to get my body ready for the feast that lays ahead.
Labs your thoughts on what you saw on Sunday. To me,
another loss in a game that this Yearers could have won.
I think they've had a few of those at this
point of the season, which gives me hope that there
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are better days to come, but also gives me an
understanding of why the team, in my opinion, is six
and five. They just, uncharacteristically under Mike Tomlin, have not
won some games. I think they win far more games
they that they could win than they probably should under
Mike Tomlin if you compare them to other coaches. But
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this year, for whatever reason, it feels like they've led
a few slip away to me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, you know, when the game was really frustrating
for me in a lot of different ways because I
thought that in a lot of areas and for you know,
periods of the game, the Steelers played pretty well in
some of the areas that we were hoping to see
improvement in lately. For example, they ran more plays than
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the Bears. They out rushed the Bears in terms of
you know, your total yardage average carry. You know, the
Bears came in as a pre eminent NFL running team.
The Steelers finished with a better third down percentage, They
were perfect in the red zone, They had more time
of possession, you know, all of these things that you know,
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you kind of use as landmarks as to when you're
consulting statistics without looking at the final score. You know,
you're trying to look for, Okay, where did it go wrong? Now?
The two areas that I thought that were bad were turnovers,
and even though the Bears were penalized more times for
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more yards, the Steelers had some penalties that I thought
were just killers, just killers. Yeah, and those I will
you know, read off or recite here Nick Herbick jumping
off sides takes away an interception, that's a takeaway. You
give the ball back to the Bears, Ben Scronic holding
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on a punt that cost the Steelers thirty yards in
field position. They score on that illegal formation on Mason
Rudolph's twenty two yard run. I mean, those three three
things right there in terms of the yardage, it wasn't
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you know. It was five yards on the herbic thing,
it was five yards on the illegal formation thing, ten
yards on the Scornic penalty. But so you look at
the three penalties for twenty yards, that's not very much,
you might think, but the ramifications of those penalties was huge,
hugely significant. And I don't know, that's you. You can't
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do that, you can't have that. And I don't know,
you know, Nick herbig Will played that. I thought pretty
much a good game, but you got to be on side,
and I don't you know, there's no adjustment coaches could
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make or you know what that's I don't know. I
mean I never played organized football, but I got to
believe the first practice you ever are in they tell
you to be on sides. And the illegal formation thing.
You know. For those of us watching it on TV,
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there was a shot of Aaron Rodgers on the sideline
and you can read his lips. He goes, they're in
the wrong formation. So it was something that was apparent
to Rogers as a quarterback. And I thought Mason Rudolph
largely played a good game. But you got to see
that you're the quarterback, you're on the field, you got
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to know that your players are not aligned correctly. So
I mean, you know, again, I don't, I don't. I
didn't think it was a poor performance in a lot
of different ways. But you can't do that kind of
stuff and try and think you're gonna beat a team
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that was came into the game seven and three on
the road. That's the way I saw that game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, and m and I mean and and then and
those are all valid points. Let's see where where I'm
trying to figure out where I want to parse into
this because I think the penalties, I think you kind
of laid it out. The the missed opportunities in this game, man,
they were glaring. And I know, I know that no
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one play defines a game, right lest we always hear
the cliche from coaches from players that there's plenty of
other opportunities in there. But like you said, those are
those are drive changing play style changing plays. I'll throw
another one in there, the the the you know, the fourth,
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that fourth and short, the Steel City shove and the
miscommunication on that one kind of goes in there, even
though there's no penalty per se, but it was a
turnover on down, so it created a turnover, uh from
that spot. That goes into that. And you know it's
to say where the blame is. And I kind of
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laid this out yesterday. You know, we were going through
kind of the game recap. But you know, you can't
have these like low moments, and you know, especially when
a team refocuses coming in at halftime, you have possession
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coming out of halftime to where.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You can control the tempo.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And for three out of the five losses that we've
had this season, we had the lead going in to halftime,
like everything was in front of us to come out
and just you know, kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Dominate the game.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
And the head.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Scratching part is I think this team if any game
was clear that you wanted to run the ball against someone,
this was that team on our schedule right that. This
was the team where it was I don't even want
to see the ball pass twenty times.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's like one of.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Those type of I felt like the run game was
that good. It matched up well. They were down two corners,
they were down four line and three or four line,
no four linebackers at the time coming out of the half,
because Hippolyte was out as well, and you just needed.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
To grind that clock out.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You need to grind it on the ground.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You need to make guys just get up off their
bellies and not give them free reign rushes going in
to the game planning part of it. And then defensively
you had to throw off the timing because if you
throw out the timing. Caleb Williams is not a great
passer yet, and he was. He was highly inaccurate, you know,
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in some critical situations, and we just kept giving them
those opportunities. Kick off the field position game, right, We
didn't understand how to handle the sidewinding word burner that
was a Cairo Santos kickoff, right.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
It wasn't these big, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Arching, rainbow like type of kicks that fall effortlessly into.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
The landing zone.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
These these were these were like some just straight at you,
high velocity, spinning type of football that came at you
and made it tough for our returners to really get
a beat, and it cost us field position. You know,
we had the one drive that you know, it's a
street you never want to say, Oh man, you know,
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we got this under our belt.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We finally cleared this one out.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We have a new one and a ninety five yard
drive downfield. Hadn't done that since twenty twenty three. But
it was just the consistency is what I come back to, Bob. Consistency. Consistency, see,
and it's consistency across all three levels. Right, you can't
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have one that's on the other two off. You want
to be able to lean on each other, and everybody
kind of takes some some help in that. Like defense
is tired, go get a long drive. They did that right,
you know. Offensively, you know, special teams give you some
good starting field position didn't really happen. You know, got
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decent at the end, but beginning was just bad field position,
you know, fumbling, fumbling, fumbling a kickoff right in one
of those instances, you know. And then defensively, right, you know,
you have you stop the run pretty pretty pretty solidly,
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but you a lot Kayley Williams of scramble. You give
up that ten to fifteen yard window area in the
zone and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
There's just nobody there.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
It's confusion in those moments where you gotta have them
on third down and they keep a drive alive. It
was just so many comedies of errors. And I just say, consistency,
that's what it comes down to, you know. And I
don't know where that goes with that word, but that's
what I see, Bob, And I just wanted to get
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your thoughts on what what do you think about the
consistency of the squad from.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Week to week?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, yeah, I mean, yes, you're You're absolutely right, And
you know, there were a lot of things I think
that little things that happened. For example, you know, you mentioned,
you know, keeping Caleb Williams uncomfortable. You know, I thought
that there were too many times where the edge guys
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rushers created lanes for him with their pass rush. You
cannot go so far up the field that then he
can step in up and around and get to the perimeter,
you know, outside the interior rushers with the edge guys
behind him. I mean, you know, and our defense should
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understand that because we played the Ravens twice a year
all the time, and that is suicide when you do
that against Lamar Jackson. But you know, there were there
were a couple of situations where either catb Williams ran
for a first down or it was second and long
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and then after he ran, it was third and short,
and you know, it allowed them to convert or you know,
to keep drives alive, you know those kind of things.
I mean, you're talking about field position. And at the
start of the second half, that was Scornic's penalty. Now,
the Steelers didn't uh their first off, they got the
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ball the second half kickoff, and they had to punt
from their own thirty six yard line. You know, Weightman's
punt went to the ten yard line, the Bear's ten. Okay,
flips the field. But now the holding penalty, so you
move it back ten yards to kick it off. And
Weightman's next punt is twenty yards shorter than the first punt.
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That's thirty yards in field position. So instead of it
being first and ten for the Bears at their own
ten with eleven minutes and sixteen seconds left in the
third quarter, it's first and ten on their own forty.
So now everything you want to do in terms of
the Bears offense is available to you. And you know, one, two, three,
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five places in the end zone touchdown, so you know,
things like that. I think that no, every max everything
you're saying, you know, because some of the passes allowed
over the middle, it looked like there was confused or
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you know, guys were late getting to their spots or
whatever it might have been. I don't I don't want
to get too deep into that because I really don't
know what was going on there, what even what the
coverages were, any of that kind of stuff. But you
that there were there were other things that happened, in
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my opinion, that were very much preventable that allowed the
Bears to be comfortable enough to do those kinds of
things because I don't know. You know, the first half
ends with the Steelers up twenty one seventeen, which by
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the way, uh you know that last field goal and
in the third in the second half came from the
was was that the oh yeah, that was the penalty
on Nick Krbig that nullified Joey Porter's interception. Okay, if
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with one nineteen left, the Bears had the ball one
left nineteen left in the end of the first half,
the Bears have the ball, Joey Porter intercepts it. You
probably go in twenty one to fourteen, and the Bears
don't really have any belief or momentum going at all.
I don't think, you know, they've turned it over a
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couple of times. They couldn't really stop the Steelers' offense
to give up a ninety five yard touchdown drive. Those
kind of things. You're in control, not only I think
a little bit on the scoreboard, but in terms of
the emotional you know, the sense of the game, the
feeling that the respective sidelines have for how it has transpired. Okay,
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but that interception is nullified. The Bears got on and
kick a field goal. I think they go into the
half feeling, huh, we're only down four points. We didn't
play very well. They played pretty good. We're right in this,
which shouldn't have been the case. Okay, Then the second
half starts, instead of being pinned at the ten, they're
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at the forty for their first possession. Five plays later,
it's in the end zone. They have a lead. So now,
really you've kind of let in terms of the momentum
or the emotion or you know, any of that, you've
really squandered any advantage you might have had. And the
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Bears are not feeling good about themselves. And I think
Caleb Williams is feeling good about himself. How he's performing,
what they're doing is working in his head. The confidence thing,
and I believe, I believe in that because I think
confident players or players who have confidence play better maybe
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than they normally would, or they play better maybe then
sometimes even that they are. Uh and so now you're
in a dog fight. And so yeah, it was there
were a lot of different things that that happened that
were poor, bad, but you know, I just thought, you know,
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letting the Bears up with with silly mistakes. Uh, it
was just a huge part of that. I mean, you
cannot you know, there's there's different ways I think you
can help an opponent. Turnovers are certainly one of the ways,
but these other kinds of things, you know, it doesn't
necessarily have to be you know a lot of yardage either,
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you know, just subtle swings in the play in the
field position. Because again, one of the things that I
kept thinking and believing coming up to this game was,
you know, the Bears don't stink.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The previous two seasons, they had bad records, they fired
the coach, they had the first overall pick. All of
that stuff that you associate with a team with a franchise,
you know, spiraling down the drain. Well that was years ago.
That wasn't this team this year. And so you know,
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going to Chicago and playing the Bears was not It
was much more difficult than it looked when the schedule
came out in May. You know the reality of it
and the thought of it then. And you know, as
I said, there there were a few things that happened,
and Max, you know this this to be true in
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the NFL when there's two decent teams and people can
think what they want to think about the Bears, but
they're leading the NFC North, okay. And also in that
division are the Packers, who are anointed as a Super
Bowl qualifier as soon as they made the Michael Parsons deal,
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and the Detroit Lions. Everybody's in love with Dan Campbell
and his you know, Bill Cower imitation on the sidelines
and what were they last year, thirteen and four or
something like that. But the Bears are the team from
that division. That's in first place. So again, stay on sides.
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Why the gun Why why would a gunner on a
punt team hold and the tush push. Let me say this, sorry,
I can't get through a segment like this without focusing
on the zebras.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Connor Hayward got the line again, I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They cannot officiate that play anymore. You know, every time
we see tush pushes where there's a false start on
the offense or off side on the defense, or on
that situation that I just described. Connor Hayward made that
and they spotted the ball wrong. That's always because you're
looking at it from above. The aerial view. Those officials
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on ground level, they have no that's the worst seat
in the house to try and figure out what's going
on in that play. You got nineteen of the twenty
two players on the field in a very small geographical area.
How are you spotting the ball? When do you know
when a knee is down? How do you know when
a knee is down? Can you possibly tell if there
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was a false start versus and off sides? I don't
believe you can. I don't believe the penalty can or
the play can be officiated anymore. And so you got
to ban it because this is just it's it's just
a free for all beyond the physical of what goes on,
but it's a free for all in terms of where
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were we going to spot the ball? Did anybody can
at a penalty? Who knows? So well, we're not going
to call anything, and you know, we'll just guess where
the spot is and move the chains or not, and
you know, uh, keep playing the game. So to me
that that's a that's something that the NFL has to
deal with now. And I'm gonna stay on the soap
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box here for a little bit longer and make this
point too. Let's go back to the old rule where
aiding a runner or someone with the ball was a penalty,
and the way you get rid of that is you
start blowing the whistle, stopping forward progress. The officials do
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not do that anymore. On a run or a short
pass over the middle of a guy catches the ball
or runs, the ball gets six seven yards downfield and
two defenders hold him up. Okay, And so then here
come the offensive lineman running downfield, plowing into the pile,
and they just pushed the guy six seven, ten yards
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further before he goes down, and that's where the ball
is spotted. Uh huh, stop the forward progress. Anybody who
comes and hits that pile, you throw a penalty flag
and you stop it, just like that.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Works for me. Labs, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
We appreciate your joining us in Happy Thanksgiving and we
will see you on Sunday. Hopefully by then we will
have digested Thursday's repast and be ready for.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
A football game.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So thanks Labs, Bob, I appreciate it. We will be
back with more.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I have a question I've been really eager to ask
Max Burning sort of.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Related to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
But we have to get to that in a moment,
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Speaker 6 (27:17):
Thanks for being with us in the locker room. Thanks
to Bob Labriola who joined us this last segment. And
you know, Max, we were talking at the end of
the last hour about Hall of Fame candidates and you
know some of the offensive lineman Marshall Yanda is on
the yondas on the list, Steve was Newski's on the list,
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and it got me thinking, among others, I don't know
why to me, Marquis Pouncy again, I don't know how
you could have a much better career than Marquis pounce
he had. I think he he did not make the
list a semi finals, nor did James Harrison. But I
think in particular to me, Pountcy belongs on this list
and belongs in the Hall of Fame sooner rather than later.
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But I to thinking, as an offensive lineman, were there
other guys around the league who you admired? So most
of us are watching the game and we're looking at
the the running backs and the receivers and the quarterbacks
and all that stuff, and did you look at the linemen?
Were there were there contemporaries or other guys you've seen
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since who you thought, man, I really loved that guy's.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Game defensively, no offensive lineman.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Did you look at other offensive lineman and say, hey,
that guy's that guy's got good, that guy's got a
lot of game.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man, I really admire what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I think more so what before I got to the
league versus in the league, Okay, most definitely. I mean,
you know I modeled my game after Orlando Pace, Willie Rove,
Walter Jones.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You know some pretty good guys right there man, right, his.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Name for Hall of Famers, right, I mean those are
the guys like like in the in my era and
when I was coming out, like that's the size of
offensive linemen. They weren't Joe Thomas size, right, you know,
they weren't you know, the these these slimmer offensive linemans
that we have that we have now. They were big, hulking,
humongous dudes that could move, could strike, could overpower, overwhelm you.
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And you know that was kind of what I was
looking for, you know, and any and even as a player,
right because I watched enough Jonathan Ogden film and we
played Baltimore, you know, twice a year, like you can't
help at times and just watch him work and watch
him do his job.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Orlando Pace, let's not even talk about it.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I mean, he he's been athlete one one for offensive linemen,
the way he finished in the Heisman voting, and then
of course going to Saint Louis helping the team win
a Super Bowl and and just being a phenomenal, just
this human being player.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I mean, and then you meet him.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Off the field and you realize, no, it's true.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But yeah, no, I mean there are certain offensive line
that you watch and you're just like, man, this dude
is this dude is it? This isn't like some you know,
type of random player that's coming in here. This is
like the real deal guys. And so you know, he's like, well,
how do I stand up to this league? How do
I leave my mark on this league? And it's like, well,
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you go, you look, and imitation is the best form
of flattery, right, But I knew I had to look
at parts and not all expectant of myself. I had
to vary the response depending on where I was geographically.
That will determine how I was going to play and
set up against teams. Obviously different for a place like
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Miami versus Denver.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I mean there's just these little subtle differences. But yet
offensive linemen is one of those key positions, Like the
game cannot be played without them, right, They're they're invaluable.
We have we have the highest percentage of playing talent
on any team just about and we don't deviate like that.
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That That's the other beautiful thing is you know when
you're when you're that great, you don't deviate outside yourself.
You just simply brush your teeth whatever that is, and
you get ready for the next day after watching those
guys play, and you're just like, well, how do I
make myself in the mold of But then you get
to the league, You're like, I gotta I gotta force
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my own path. I can't be Orlando Pace, I can't
be Jonathan Ogden.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I can only be Max Starks.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And I think that that's where that imitation and that
flattery it does get you far, because you learn a
lot about yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What I can and can't do. I I talked about this.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I want to say, like last year I was on
with Wolf and we were talking about this during training camp,
you know, my rookie year. You know, I was trying
to be all these other guys. I even tried Marvel
Smith set like another guy that I looked at the like, man, okay,
well Marvel's doing it. I gotta do this. This is
what this is what the league is about. Like you
gotta be an orthodox. I was like, Nope, low back
cannot handle the stress of that set that Marvel Smith
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has and only Marvel Smith has done to perfection. You know,
he's he's a he's a one of a kind in
that department. But then you get to and you see
your peers, I mean, because it's simply what they are
at that point.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Now they're peers. You realize I can't copycat.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I can't do exactly what that guy does, but I
could model myself after that example and go and make
my own path in the process.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
One other question for you, Okay, So so forging your
own path. My my roommate in college was an offensive
lineman and his dreams as.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Far as like I wanted to lately.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I think it was our last game of the year,
and I wanted him to take off his pads.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
We got the ball like the one foot line.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
I wanted him to take off his pads and go
into the backfield and running in and he said, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
He refused to refuse to get out of it.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
All he wanted to do, he said, was falling a
fumble in the end zone. That was like his goal,
which he never accomplished. You had one target in your career.
Do you remember what that was? I just looked at
your statistics. They threw a pass to you. I would
think you'd be like that Darna and Washington. Large target.
And did you ever have any envy four for the guys,
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because if you come in as a sixth offensive lineman,
you're not a starter, and ultimately you want to be
a starter. But sometimes those guys like Spencer Anderson catch
passes and I'm sure being the outstanding athlete you were,
you could have hauled in some passes.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
No, I feel like I could have done that in
my career.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And you know this this this, this is this is
sort of subject to to talk about, but you know.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I had my opportunity early on in in training camp.
I was running as a jumbo tight end and we
had a Friday night lights practice save Latrope High School field.
Right we were on the far I was on the
far in zone side and we're running. We're running a
goal line play and I have a shallow drag on
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the left side of the offensive line. Block release cut cut
behind the first level, and Ike Taylor was was was
what had.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Me and man on on that play.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So a block at block and block at ice stay
in his home, stay at home, and then I break
out underneath and I have a step on Ike, and
I just never forget he kind of grabbed like my
right arm as up and running across.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
So the only.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Available hand was my left hand to put out to
let Ben know. But the problem was I had a
thumb cast on my hand, which you know, it wrapped
all the way up to right before the bend in
the hand right.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
So this special kind.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Of hard wet gauze, it's a wet gauze that eventually
hardens into a into into a soft cast. And I
had my thumb wrapped in that because I sprayed my
thumb like two days before. And when I tell you
I put that hand out, Ben saw it and he
threw it to me and I'm and it hits me
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right by hand. I just all you do is just
my fingers would only bend. I couldn't like curl my wrist.
I couldn't like pop it up and then grab it
and put it in. And so you know, that was
about one shot at the past at that moment out
of that formation, and Ben just looks at me. He's like,
what what were you doing? I was like, I was
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running the route. I was like, you threw it to
my cast hands, Like how am I supposed to know
as the cast? I was like, it's a big club
looking thing on my hand and you threw it right
at that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He's like, he's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'll never throw it your way again.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I was like, come on, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
And then so then later on we get to the
season and I'm running kind of this little like curl
flat that's kind of the safety blanket in the passing situation,
and so I run it.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
There's a rub off.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The top behind coming over on the deeper over and
I give like a nudget and I just start to
leak out afterwards and been through it to He's like, oh,
you do have hands. I'm like, yeah, I can't catch
your football. It's like it was like and you do
well to know that you know nothing wrong with all
goling out of it. To get uh to get your
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buddy a shot, and yeah, so never got that shot.
Was a great decoy, ran a lot of those plays.
So so I was truly happy and then reflective about
Spencer Anson getting his first catch because I'm like, that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Could have been me. That could have been me.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Rob just had a time machine and go back to
eighty three we went state.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Sorry, those are ok Ico reference from Napoleon Dynamo.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I am sorry.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I'm sorry to bring up a source subject, but I
love the explanation. We still have more to get to
a very short week here, gonna get you ready for
the Steelers and the Bills.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That is our goal.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Also wrapping up what happened on Sunday, beginning now to
turn the page because there's no Thursday, so sort of
tomorrow becomes Thursday.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
And of course we're.
Speaker 6 (37:39):
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Speaker 4 (38:46):
And with that, it is that precious time in the
program every single day that we are on these airwaves,
and it gets around this hour and it is the
bell that's right early lunch Morning system engaged twelve minutes.
(39:06):
But remember Bob Labriola said it best, you got to
monitor your intake this week because we are only two
sleeps away from my favorite holiday time to give thanks,
time to reflect, a time to spread love and cheer
and commune familiarly, you know, sit around the table with
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family and friends and you know, talk about what you're
thinking for.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
But most importantly, it's the food. Rob It is the food.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I know you, I know you hit lad Labs gave
us that labs gave us that vet tip. Who needs
gravy when you have when you have some of that
that yam caramel sauce left over from from the candy jams.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I agree with a lot of perspective, not that one. No,
I mean, it's all about the gravy. To me, by
the way I make the gravy. I'm in charge of gravy.
Oh see that's my two things. Yeah, my wife normally
makes the grave. We're we're attending this year, we are
not hosting, so my wife is not what we are
not cooking this year, so a lot less dishes to clean.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, well no, no, no, no, no. You you take
the friend's house. You go to the friend's house and
you bring you know, either your own containers or they provide.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Normally the friend.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Now this friend usually has containers out for everybody. I
know how it is, and you know.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
My personal case, that's perfect, actually, right, and then one day, right,
so you're not you know, you don't overdo it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
A day or two of leftovers is probably ample.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's all you. And I'm gone, you know
what I'm saying. Like Saturday, I'm gone.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
So that's right. You got to give a football game.
You have a college football game this week?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Sadly I do not because.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Oregon Washington are playing and that's a three pm kick Eastern.
So yeah, there's no way I'm getting from Washington to Pittsburgh,
even though we do have our first afternoon afternoon game,
mid afternoon game, late afternoon game.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
However, you want to describe at four.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
O'clock kick, our first four o'clock kick.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, I was hoping if there was a noon kick somewhere,
I would have had the shot at doing it. But
not with a three pm kick. That's just too late.
Anything after that I can't do. So I will just
be heading there normally to Pittsburgh. Now, Bowlseas is a
whole different story.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I don't want to get into that one. I have
a lot of bowl games this year.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Wrong, okay, all right, So yeah, so I do for
what I did not have the last two months in
October November. Oh it may I got I got made
up real quick in December, so I will have a
full slate of Bowl games this year.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Tis the season.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
So by the way, you mentioned Labs Tuesdays Labs presented
by UPMC, the official healthcare provider and health plan of
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with the Hall of Fame voting. But you know, as
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you get into Tuesday now, Mike Tomlin's going to be
speaking here in just a few minutes, I did want
to ask you for all players around the NFL. Of course,
some guys are playing on Thursday. Actually, some guys are
playing on Friday this year as well. Is Thanksgiving Week
any different as a player or is it pretty much
the same practice routine or maybe even exactly the same
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practice routine leading up to the games on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Now, it's gonna be a morning practice for the team
on Thursday. You'll adjust the meetings accordingly to get out
on the field earlier and then you'll make it up
on the back end, but you're out of the facility
a lot earlier, so you can go celebrate with your
families on Thanksgiving, but you will work on things so
there is no off day on Thanksgiving Day like us
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who will not be on the.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Airwaves on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But yeah, it's one of those where you look at
it and you say, oh, man, you know we are
right here at this point of the year and we
have six games left and we're we're charging into holiday
season for all intents and purposes, and you know, you
just got to get ready and you know, have your
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meals or or plan for what teammates house you're going
to be at four meals because obviously you know, some
people will open up their houses when they know you
have young guys, single guys away from home, don't really
have anything established they live in. They live in an
apartment or a condo. So you know, for us, you know,
you used to go over to Charlie Batch's house and
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we would do Thanksgiving or you know, now I think
Cam Hayward does a lot of that now with with
a lot of the guys. He makes sure he opens
up his home for guys so yeah, so there will
be places for guys, but you will get that work
came before.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
Yeah, and Charlie always has the door open to people.
What a great guy Charlie batches as the foundation of course.
And and we'll be uh maybe talking about that a
little bit come Christmas time as he gears up to
help out a lot of the kids in our neighborhood
and over in the Homestead area as well.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
So, Max, what are you looking forward to? Is it
injury updates?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Mostly here in this last minute when we hear from
Mike tom onin coming up at about five minutes or.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
So, Yeah, and ten on and ten on that because
you know you got two starters down right now and
health and status of course of where Alex Highsmith is yep,
in that process as well, but Joey Porter junior Progerck Jones,
two very important pieces at corner and left tackle. So
looking forward to the injury report and then just kind
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of you know, the last little buttoned up recap thoughts
about the game after after you got a chance to
watch the film.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Our thanks to Alvarro Martin, Our thanks to Bob Labriola.
Of course, always are things suggestin Miller's controls in our
iHeart Studio forour Max Starks I'm Rob king reminder, we're
gonna be taking your phone calls tomorrow four one two
nine one nine one three one six if we get
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Speaker 2 (00:33):
Hey, that's optimist.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
How we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:36):
But I know you don't have time to stop. I
get it.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
You know, donuts we're not a plenty this week as
we uh pushed through. Now we're on Tuesday, the last
day to kind of, you know, sulk about things before
we move on to the next opponent, which is the
Buffalo Bills and Mike Twin pres conference coming up after
this show on this very network. But Tuesdays are a
(01:05):
Hello day. It's a player's day off in the NFL.
It is a day that you get to rest, you
get to reset, and you get to refocus. And there's
nobody i'd rather, you know, kind of sit on the
pine with and have a conversation Stu one last time then,
(01:26):
of course unofficially the Steelers historian right now. And I
know that lads will lament and say that just means
that You've been around a lot, because you say that,
but we say that affectionately because he is the keeper
and knowledge guy for most things Steelers. See I said
most there, Las, I didn't say all like I normally do.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
But he is the editor chief.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Of Steelers Digest, and he is a great friend to
both Rob and I and of course to this program here,
and he is the one the only Bob Labriola doing today.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Bob, yes, pretty good.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Just golf class golf collaps. Appreciate it. Just uh, monitoring
the food intake getting ready for Thursday?
Speaker 6 (02:13):
Will you back it down over the next two days
in preparation for Thursday's feast? And what is your go
to favorite Thanksgiving food?
Speaker 3 (02:27):
I'm not going to limit it to one.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Okay, good good man.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
There we go like that.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
So yeah, yeah, it's usually uh try not to wear
any you know, tight fitting belts or anything for sure. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Yeah, no, no zero belts, zero a favorite?
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You have more than one favorite? What does your traditional
Thanksgiving feast look like?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Well, I mean it's you know, a lot of people
think that because I'm Italian, that there is some pop
star or something involved, but there is not. Thanksgiving is
and always has been you know that it's the traditional.
It's what everybody eats. Turkey, stuffing, ah, mashed potatoes, candy
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yams pie for dessert. You know, no vegetables of any
kind of course. I mean there's no like salad or
you know. I mean the vegetables I guess would be
the yams and the potatoes, mashed potatoes.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Well, there's some celery and stuffing. You know, a little
bit of celery.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Okay, I'll give you all right, some of that, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Just trying to help it out, trying to help it out, say.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Apple or both in the pie.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I'm an apple guy. I like pumpkin, but apple pie
is my favorite. My mother's apple pie was legendary. But
you know, we make do with what we have.
Speaker 4 (04:01):
Now, Okay, I got a question. Cranberry sauce. No cranberry sauce.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
I'm not a cranberry sauce guy there, but that's not
my I'm not a gravy guy either.
Speaker 6 (04:16):
Really, oh labs, he runs out, the gravy runs out.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
You could you could just empty the refrigerator as far
as I'm.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
Concerned, before you criticize. You know, the candy jams often
have a lot of extra like carmel sauce that they're
floating in. That's better than gravy. Okay, you can use
that on the turkey, on the stuffing, and you can
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also sprinkle it on the drizzle it on the apple
pie too.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Wow. I love it. I love it. That's an awesome
move right there. That is, and I to I need
to stop eating between now.
Speaker 6 (05:02):
I need to go on a little bit of a
little bit of a hunger strike between now and Thanksgiving
to get my body ready for the feast that lays ahead.
Labs your thoughts on what you saw on Sunday. To me,
another loss in a game that this Yearers could have won.
I think they've had a few of those at this
point of the season, which gives me hope that there
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are better days to come, but also gives me an
understanding of why the team, in my opinion, is six
and five. They just, uncharacteristically under Mike Tomlin, have not
won some games. I think they win far more games
they that they could win than they probably should under
Mike Tomlin if you compare them to other coaches. But
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this year, for whatever reason, it feels like they've led
a few slip away to me, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (05:51):
I mean, you know, when the game was really frustrating
for me in a lot of different ways because I
thought that in a lot of areas and for you know,
periods of the game, the Steelers played pretty well in
some of the areas that we were hoping to see
improvement in lately. For example, they ran more plays than
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the Bears. They out rushed the Bears in terms of
you know, your total yardage average carry. You know, the
Bears came in as a pre eminent NFL running team.
The Steelers finished with a better third down percentage, They
were perfect in the red zone, They had more time
of possession, you know, all of these things that you know,
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you kind of use as landmarks as to when you're
consulting statistics without looking at the final score. You know,
you're trying to look for, Okay, where did it go wrong? Now?
The two areas that I thought that were bad were turnovers,
and even though the Bears were penalized more times for
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more yards, the Steelers had some penalties that I thought
were just killers, just killers. Yeah, and those I will
you know, read off or recite here Nick Herbick jumping
off sides takes away an interception, that's a takeaway. You
give the ball back to the Bears, Ben Scronic holding
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on a punt that cost the Steelers thirty yards in
field position. They score on that illegal formation on Mason
Rudolph's twenty two yard run. I mean, those three three
things right there in terms of the yardage, it wasn't
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you know. It was five yards on the herbic thing,
it was five yards on the illegal formation thing, ten
yards on the Scornic penalty. But so you look at
the three penalties for twenty yards, that's not very much,
you might think, but the ramifications of those penalties was huge,
hugely significant. And I don't know, that's you. You can't
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do that, you can't have that. And I don't know,
you know, Nick herbig Will played that. I thought pretty
much a good game, but you got to be on side,
and I don't you know, there's no adjustment coaches could
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make or you know what that's I don't know. I
mean I never played organized football, but I got to
believe the first practice you ever are in they tell
you to be on sides. And the illegal formation thing.
You know. For those of us watching it on TV,
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there was a shot of Aaron Rodgers on the sideline
and you can read his lips. He goes, they're in
the wrong formation. So it was something that was apparent
to Rogers as a quarterback. And I thought Mason Rudolph
largely played a good game. But you got to see
that you're the quarterback, you're on the field, you got
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to know that your players are not aligned correctly. So
I mean, you know, again, I don't, I don't. I
didn't think it was a poor performance in a lot
of different ways. But you can't do that kind of
stuff and try and think you're gonna beat a team
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that was came into the game seven and three on
the road. That's the way I saw that game.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Yeah, and m and I mean and and then and
those are all valid points. Let's see where where I'm
trying to figure out where I want to parse into
this because I think the penalties, I think you kind
of laid it out. The the missed opportunities in this game, man,
they were glaring. And I know, I know that no
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one play defines a game, right lest we always hear
the cliche from coaches from players that there's plenty of
other opportunities in there. But like you said, those are
those are drive changing play style changing plays. I'll throw
another one in there, the the the you know, the fourth,
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that fourth and short, the Steel City shove and the
miscommunication on that one kind of goes in there, even
though there's no penalty per se, but it was a
turnover on down, so it created a turnover, uh from
that spot. That goes into that. And you know it's
to say where the blame is. And I kind of
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laid this out yesterday. You know, we were going through
kind of the game recap. But you know, you can't
have these like low moments, and you know, especially when
a team refocuses coming in at halftime, you have possession
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coming out of halftime to where.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
You can control the tempo.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
And for three out of the five losses that we've
had this season, we had the lead going in to halftime,
like everything was in front of us to come out
and just you know, kind of.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Dominate the game.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
And the head.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
Scratching part is I think this team if any game
was clear that you wanted to run the ball against someone,
this was that team on our schedule right that. This
was the team where it was I don't even want
to see the ball pass twenty times.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
It's like one of.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
Those type of I felt like the run game was
that good. It matched up well. They were down two corners,
they were down four line and three or four line,
no four linebackers at the time coming out of the half,
because Hippolyte was out as well, and you just needed.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
To grind that clock out.
Speaker 5 (12:32):
You need to grind it on the ground.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
You need to make guys just get up off their
bellies and not give them free reign rushes going in
to the game planning part of it. And then defensively
you had to throw off the timing because if you
throw out the timing. Caleb Williams is not a great
passer yet, and he was. He was highly inaccurate, you know,
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in some critical situations, and we just kept giving them
those opportunities. Kick off the field position game, right, We
didn't understand how to handle the sidewinding word burner that
was a Cairo Santos kickoff, right.
Speaker 5 (13:12):
It wasn't these big, beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
Arching, rainbow like type of kicks that fall effortlessly into.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
The landing zone.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
These these were these were like some just straight at you,
high velocity, spinning type of football that came at you
and made it tough for our returners to really get
a beat, and it cost us field position. You know,
we had the one drive that you know, it's a
street you never want to say, Oh man, you know,
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we got this under our belt.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
We finally cleared this one out.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
We have a new one and a ninety five yard
drive downfield. Hadn't done that since twenty twenty three. But
it was just the consistency is what I come back to, Bob. Consistency. Consistency, see,
and it's consistency across all three levels. Right, you can't
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have one that's on the other two off. You want
to be able to lean on each other, and everybody
kind of takes some some help in that. Like defense
is tired, go get a long drive. They did that right,
you know. Offensively, you know, special teams give you some
good starting field position didn't really happen. You know, got
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decent at the end, but beginning was just bad field position,
you know, fumbling, fumbling, fumbling a kickoff right in one
of those instances, you know. And then defensively, right, you know,
you have you stop the run pretty pretty pretty solidly,
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but you a lot Kayley Williams of scramble. You give
up that ten to fifteen yard window area in the
zone and.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
There's just nobody there.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
It's confusion in those moments where you gotta have them
on third down and they keep a drive alive. It
was just so many comedies of errors. And I just say, consistency,
that's what it comes down to, you know. And I
don't know where that goes with that word, but that's
what I see, Bob, And I just wanted to get
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your thoughts on what what do you think about the
consistency of the squad from.
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Week to week?
Speaker 3 (15:20):
Well, yeah, I mean, yes, you're You're absolutely right, And
you know, there were a lot of things I think
that little things that happened. For example, you know, you mentioned,
you know, keeping Caleb Williams uncomfortable. You know, I thought
that there were too many times where the edge guys
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rushers created lanes for him with their pass rush. You
cannot go so far up the field that then he
can step in up and around and get to the perimeter,
you know, outside the interior rushers with the edge guys
behind him. I mean, you know, and our defense should
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understand that because we played the Ravens twice a year
all the time, and that is suicide when you do
that against Lamar Jackson. But you know, there were there
were a couple of situations where either catb Williams ran
for a first down or it was second and long
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and then after he ran, it was third and short,
and you know, it allowed them to convert or you know,
to keep drives alive, you know those kind of things.
I mean, you're talking about field position. And at the
start of the second half, that was Scornic's penalty. Now,
the Steelers didn't uh their first off, they got the
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ball the second half kickoff, and they had to punt
from their own thirty six yard line. You know, Weightman's
punt went to the ten yard line, the Bear's ten. Okay,
flips the field. But now the holding penalty, so you
move it back ten yards to kick it off. And
Weightman's next punt is twenty yards shorter than the first punt.
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That's thirty yards in field position. So instead of it
being first and ten for the Bears at their own
ten with eleven minutes and sixteen seconds left in the
third quarter, it's first and ten on their own forty.
So now everything you want to do in terms of
the Bears offense is available to you. And you know, one, two, three,
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five places in the end zone touchdown, so you know,
things like that. I think that no, every max everything
you're saying, you know, because some of the passes allowed
over the middle, it looked like there was confused or
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you know, guys were late getting to their spots or
whatever it might have been. I don't I don't want
to get too deep into that because I really don't
know what was going on there, what even what the
coverages were, any of that kind of stuff. But you
that there were there were other things that happened, in
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my opinion, that were very much preventable that allowed the
Bears to be comfortable enough to do those kinds of
things because I don't know. You know, the first half
ends with the Steelers up twenty one seventeen, which by
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the way, uh you know that last field goal and
in the third in the second half came from the
was was that the oh yeah, that was the penalty
on Nick Krbig that nullified Joey Porter's interception. Okay, if
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with one nineteen left, the Bears had the ball one
left nineteen left in the end of the first half,
the Bears have the ball, Joey Porter intercepts it. You
probably go in twenty one to fourteen, and the Bears
don't really have any belief or momentum going at all.
I don't think, you know, they've turned it over a
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couple of times. They couldn't really stop the Steelers' offense
to give up a ninety five yard touchdown drive. Those
kind of things. You're in control, not only I think
a little bit on the scoreboard, but in terms of
the emotional you know, the sense of the game, the
feeling that the respective sidelines have for how it has transpired. Okay,
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but that interception is nullified. The Bears got on and
kick a field goal. I think they go into the
half feeling, huh, we're only down four points. We didn't
play very well. They played pretty good. We're right in this,
which shouldn't have been the case. Okay, Then the second
half starts, instead of being pinned at the ten, they're
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at the forty for their first possession. Five plays later,
it's in the end zone. They have a lead. So now,
really you've kind of let in terms of the momentum
or the emotion or you know, any of that, you've
really squandered any advantage you might have had. And the
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Bears are not feeling good about themselves. And I think
Caleb Williams is feeling good about himself. How he's performing,
what they're doing is working in his head. The confidence thing,
and I believe, I believe in that because I think
confident players or players who have confidence play better maybe
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than they normally would, or they play better maybe then
sometimes even that they are. Uh and so now you're
in a dog fight. And so yeah, it was there
were a lot of different things that that happened that
were poor, bad, but you know, I just thought, you know,
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letting the Bears up with with silly mistakes. Uh, it
was just a huge part of that. I mean, you
cannot you know, there's there's different ways I think you
can help an opponent. Turnovers are certainly one of the ways,
but these other kinds of things, you know, it doesn't
necessarily have to be you know a lot of yardage either,
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you know, just subtle swings in the play in the
field position. Because again, one of the things that I
kept thinking and believing coming up to this game was,
you know, the Bears don't stink.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
The previous two seasons, they had bad records, they fired
the coach, they had the first overall pick. All of
that stuff that you associate with a team with a franchise,
you know, spiraling down the drain. Well that was years ago.
That wasn't this team this year. And so you know,
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going to Chicago and playing the Bears was not It
was much more difficult than it looked when the schedule
came out in May. You know the reality of it
and the thought of it then. And you know, as
I said, there there were a few things that happened,
and Max, you know this this to be true in
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the NFL when there's two decent teams and people can
think what they want to think about the Bears, but
they're leading the NFC North, okay. And also in that
division are the Packers, who are anointed as a Super
Bowl qualifier as soon as they made the Michael Parsons deal,
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and the Detroit Lions. Everybody's in love with Dan Campbell
and his you know, Bill Cower imitation on the sidelines
and what were they last year, thirteen and four or
something like that. But the Bears are the team from
that division. That's in first place. So again, stay on sides.
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Why the gun Why why would a gunner on a
punt team hold and the tush push. Let me say this, sorry,
I can't get through a segment like this without focusing
on the zebras.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Connor Hayward got the line again, I thought so too.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
They cannot officiate that play anymore. You know, every time
we see tush pushes where there's a false start on
the offense or off side on the defense, or on
that situation that I just described. Connor Hayward made that
and they spotted the ball wrong. That's always because you're
looking at it from above. The aerial view. Those officials
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on ground level, they have no that's the worst seat
in the house to try and figure out what's going
on in that play. You got nineteen of the twenty
two players on the field in a very small geographical area.
How are you spotting the ball? When do you know
when a knee is down? How do you know when
a knee is down? Can you possibly tell if there
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was a false start versus and off sides? I don't
believe you can. I don't believe the penalty can or
the play can be officiated anymore. And so you got
to ban it because this is just it's it's just
a free for all beyond the physical of what goes on,
but it's a free for all in terms of where
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were we going to spot the ball? Did anybody can
at a penalty? Who knows? So well, we're not going
to call anything, and you know, we'll just guess where
the spot is and move the chains or not, and
you know, uh, keep playing the game. So to me
that that's a that's something that the NFL has to
deal with now. And I'm gonna stay on the soap
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box here for a little bit longer and make this
point too. Let's go back to the old rule where
aiding a runner or someone with the ball was a penalty,
and the way you get rid of that is you
start blowing the whistle, stopping forward progress. The officials do
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not do that anymore. On a run or a short
pass over the middle of a guy catches the ball
or runs, the ball gets six seven yards downfield and
two defenders hold him up. Okay, And so then here
come the offensive lineman running downfield, plowing into the pile,
and they just pushed the guy six seven, ten yards
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further before he goes down, and that's where the ball
is spotted. Uh huh, stop the forward progress. Anybody who
comes and hits that pile, you throw a penalty flag
and you stop it, just like that.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Works for me. Labs, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 6 (26:19):
We appreciate your joining us in Happy Thanksgiving and we
will see you on Sunday. Hopefully by then we will
have digested Thursday's repast and be ready for.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
A football game.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (26:29):
So thanks Labs, Bob, I appreciate it. We will be
back with more.
Speaker 6 (26:35):
I have a question I've been really eager to ask
Max Burning sort of.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Related to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 6 (26:42):
But we have to get to that in a moment,
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Speaker 6 (27:17):
Thanks for being with us in the locker room. Thanks
to Bob Labriola who joined us this last segment. And
you know, Max, we were talking at the end of
the last hour about Hall of Fame candidates and you
know some of the offensive lineman Marshall Yanda is on
the yondas on the list, Steve was Newski's on the list,
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and it got me thinking, among others, I don't know
why to me, Marquis Pouncy again, I don't know how
you could have a much better career than Marquis pounce
he had. I think he he did not make the
list a semi finals, nor did James Harrison. But I
think in particular to me, Pountcy belongs on this list
and belongs in the Hall of Fame sooner rather than later.
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But I to thinking, as an offensive lineman, were there
other guys around the league who you admired? So most
of us are watching the game and we're looking at
the the running backs and the receivers and the quarterbacks
and all that stuff, and did you look at the linemen?
Were there were there contemporaries or other guys you've seen
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since who you thought, man, I really loved that guy's.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Game defensively, no offensive lineman.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
Did you look at other offensive lineman and say, hey,
that guy's that guy's got good, that guy's got a
lot of game.
Speaker 5 (28:36):
Man, I really admire what he's doing.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
I think more so what before I got to the
league versus in the league, Okay, most definitely. I mean,
you know I modeled my game after Orlando Pace, Willie Rove,
Walter Jones.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
You know some pretty good guys right there man, right, his.
Speaker 4 (28:55):
Name for Hall of Famers, right, I mean those are
the guys like like in the in my era and
when I was coming out, like that's the size of
offensive linemen. They weren't Joe Thomas size, right, you know,
they weren't you know, the these these slimmer offensive linemans
that we have that we have now. They were big, hulking,
humongous dudes that could move, could strike, could overpower, overwhelm you.
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And you know that was kind of what I was
looking for, you know, and any and even as a player,
right because I watched enough Jonathan Ogden film and we
played Baltimore, you know, twice a year, like you can't
help at times and just watch him work and watch
him do his job.
Speaker 5 (29:44):
Orlando Pace, let's not even talk about it.
Speaker 4 (29:46):
I mean, he he's been athlete one one for offensive linemen,
the way he finished in the Heisman voting, and then
of course going to Saint Louis helping the team win
a Super Bowl and and just being a phenomenal, just
this human being player.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
I mean, and then you meet him.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Off the field and you realize, no, it's true.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
But yeah, no, I mean there are certain offensive line
that you watch and you're just like, man, this dude
is this dude is it? This isn't like some you know,
type of random player that's coming in here. This is
like the real deal guys. And so you know, he's like, well,
how do I stand up to this league? How do
I leave my mark on this league? And it's like, well,
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you go, you look, and imitation is the best form
of flattery, right, But I knew I had to look
at parts and not all expectant of myself. I had
to vary the response depending on where I was geographically.
That will determine how I was going to play and
set up against teams. Obviously different for a place like
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Miami versus Denver.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I mean there's just these little subtle differences. But yet
offensive linemen is one of those key positions, Like the
game cannot be played without them, right, They're they're invaluable.
We have we have the highest percentage of playing talent
on any team just about and we don't deviate like that.
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That That's the other beautiful thing is you know when
you're when you're that great, you don't deviate outside yourself.
You just simply brush your teeth whatever that is, and
you get ready for the next day after watching those
guys play, and you're just like, well, how do I
make myself in the mold of But then you get
to the league, You're like, I gotta I gotta force
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my own path. I can't be Orlando Pace, I can't
be Jonathan Ogden.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
I can only be Max Starks.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
And I think that that's where that imitation and that
flattery it does get you far, because you learn a
lot about yourself.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
What I can and can't do. I I talked about this.
Speaker 4 (31:58):
I want to say, like last year I was on
with Wolf and we were talking about this during training camp,
you know, my rookie year. You know, I was trying
to be all these other guys. I even tried Marvel
Smith set like another guy that I looked at the like, man, okay,
well Marvel's doing it. I gotta do this. This is
what this is what the league is about. Like you
gotta be an orthodox. I was like, Nope, low back
cannot handle the stress of that set that Marvel Smith
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has and only Marvel Smith has done to perfection. You know,
he's he's a he's a one of a kind in
that department. But then you get to and you see
your peers, I mean, because it's simply what they are
at that point.
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Now they're peers. You realize I can't copycat.
Speaker 4 (32:39):
I can't do exactly what that guy does, but I
could model myself after that example and go and make
my own path in the process.
Speaker 6 (32:52):
One other question for you, Okay, So so forging your
own path. My my roommate in college was an offensive
lineman and his dreams as.
Speaker 5 (33:01):
Far as like I wanted to lately.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
I think it was our last game of the year,
and I wanted him to take off his pads.
Speaker 5 (33:08):
We got the ball like the one foot line.
Speaker 6 (33:10):
I wanted him to take off his pads and go
into the backfield and running in and he said, absolutely not.
Speaker 5 (33:15):
He refused to refuse to get out of it.
Speaker 6 (33:17):
All he wanted to do, he said, was falling a
fumble in the end zone. That was like his goal,
which he never accomplished. You had one target in your career.
Do you remember what that was? I just looked at
your statistics. They threw a pass to you. I would
think you'd be like that Darna and Washington. Large target.
And did you ever have any envy four for the guys,
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because if you come in as a sixth offensive lineman,
you're not a starter, and ultimately you want to be
a starter. But sometimes those guys like Spencer Anderson catch
passes and I'm sure being the outstanding athlete you were,
you could have hauled in some passes.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:54):
No, I feel like I could have done that in
my career.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
And you know this this this, this is this is
sort of subject to to talk about, but you know.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
I had my opportunity early on in in training camp.
I was running as a jumbo tight end and we
had a Friday night lights practice save Latrope High School field.
Right we were on the far I was on the
far in zone side and we're running. We're running a
goal line play and I have a shallow drag on
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the left side of the offensive line. Block release cut cut
behind the first level, and Ike Taylor was was was
what had.
Speaker 5 (34:36):
Me and man on on that play.
Speaker 4 (34:39):
So a block at block and block at ice stay
in his home, stay at home, and then I break
out underneath and I have a step on Ike, and
I just never forget he kind of grabbed like my
right arm as up and running across.
Speaker 5 (34:52):
So the only.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
Available hand was my left hand to put out to
let Ben know. But the problem was I had a
thumb cast on my hand, which you know, it wrapped
all the way up to right before the bend in
the hand right.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
So this special kind.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
Of hard wet gauze, it's a wet gauze that eventually
hardens into a into into a soft cast. And I
had my thumb wrapped in that because I sprayed my
thumb like two days before. And when I tell you
I put that hand out, Ben saw it and he
threw it to me and I'm and it hits me
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right by hand. I just all you do is just
my fingers would only bend. I couldn't like curl my wrist.
I couldn't like pop it up and then grab it
and put it in. And so you know, that was
about one shot at the past at that moment out
of that formation, and Ben just looks at me. He's like,
what what were you doing? I was like, I was
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running the route. I was like, you threw it to
my cast hands, Like how am I supposed to know
as the cast? I was like, it's a big club
looking thing on my hand and you threw it right
at that.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
He's like, he's like, don't worry about it.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
I'll never throw it your way again.
Speaker 5 (36:11):
I was like, come on, oh my god.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
And then so then later on we get to the
season and I'm running kind of this little like curl
flat that's kind of the safety blanket in the passing situation,
and so I run it.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
There's a rub off.
Speaker 4 (36:27):
The top behind coming over on the deeper over and
I give like a nudget and I just start to
leak out afterwards and been through it to He's like, oh,
you do have hands. I'm like, yeah, I can't catch
your football. It's like it was like and you do
well to know that you know nothing wrong with all
goling out of it. To get uh to get your
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buddy a shot, and yeah, so never got that shot.
Was a great decoy, ran a lot of those plays.
So so I was truly happy and then reflective about
Spencer Anson getting his first catch because I'm like, that.
Speaker 5 (37:07):
Could have been me. That could have been me.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Rob just had a time machine and go back to
eighty three we went state.
Speaker 4 (37:15):
Sorry, those are ok Ico reference from Napoleon Dynamo.
Speaker 5 (37:18):
I am sorry.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
I'm sorry to bring up a source subject, but I
love the explanation. We still have more to get to
a very short week here, gonna get you ready for
the Steelers and the Bills.
Speaker 5 (37:28):
That is our goal.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
Also wrapping up what happened on Sunday, beginning now to
turn the page because there's no Thursday, so sort of
tomorrow becomes Thursday.
Speaker 5 (37:38):
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Speaker 4 (38:46):
And with that, it is that precious time in the
program every single day that we are on these airwaves,
and it gets around this hour and it is the
bell that's right early lunch Morning system engaged twelve minutes.
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But remember Bob Labriola said it best, you got to
monitor your intake this week because we are only two
sleeps away from my favorite holiday time to give thanks,
time to reflect, a time to spread love and cheer
and commune familiarly, you know, sit around the table with
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family and friends and you know, talk about what you're
thinking for.
Speaker 5 (39:35):
But most importantly, it's the food. Rob It is the food.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
I know you, I know you hit lad Labs gave
us that labs gave us that vet tip. Who needs
gravy when you have when you have some of that
that yam caramel sauce left over from from the candy jams.
Speaker 6 (39:50):
I agree with a lot of perspective, not that one. No,
I mean, it's all about the gravy. To me, by
the way I make the gravy. I'm in charge of gravy.
Oh see that's my two things. Yeah, my wife normally
makes the grave. We're we're attending this year, we are
not hosting, so my wife is not what we are
not cooking this year, so a lot less dishes to clean.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, well no, no, no, no, no. You you take
the friend's house. You go to the friend's house and
you bring you know, either your own containers or they provide.
Speaker 5 (40:21):
Normally the friend.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
Now this friend usually has containers out for everybody. I
know how it is, and you know.
Speaker 6 (40:27):
My personal case, that's perfect, actually, right, and then one day, right,
so you're not you know, you don't overdo it.
Speaker 5 (40:34):
A day or two of leftovers is probably ample.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, yeah, that's all you. And I'm gone, you know
what I'm saying. Like Saturday, I'm gone.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
So that's right. You got to give a football game.
You have a college football game this week?
Speaker 2 (40:48):
Sadly I do not because.
Speaker 4 (40:52):
Oregon Washington are playing and that's a three pm kick Eastern.
So yeah, there's no way I'm getting from Washington to Pittsburgh,
even though we do have our first afternoon afternoon game,
mid afternoon game, late afternoon game.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
However, you want to describe at four.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
O'clock kick, our first four o'clock kick.
Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, I was hoping if there was a noon kick somewhere,
I would have had the shot at doing it. But
not with a three pm kick. That's just too late.
Anything after that I can't do. So I will just
be heading there normally to Pittsburgh. Now, Bowlseas is a
whole different story.
Speaker 5 (41:26):
I don't want to get into that one. I have
a lot of bowl games this year.
Speaker 4 (41:31):
Wrong, okay, all right, So yeah, so I do for
what I did not have the last two months in
October November. Oh it may I got I got made
up real quick in December, so I will have a
full slate of Bowl games this year.
Speaker 5 (41:47):
Tis the season.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
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you get into Tuesday now, Mike Tomlin's going to be
speaking here in just a few minutes, I did want
to ask you for all players around the NFL. Of course,
some guys are playing on Thursday. Actually, some guys are
playing on Friday this year as well. Is Thanksgiving Week
any different as a player or is it pretty much
the same practice routine or maybe even exactly the same
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practice routine leading up to the games on Sunday.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Now, it's gonna be a morning practice for the team
on Thursday. You'll adjust the meetings accordingly to get out
on the field earlier and then you'll make it up
on the back end, but you're out of the facility
a lot earlier, so you can go celebrate with your
families on Thanksgiving, but you will work on things so
there is no off day on Thanksgiving Day like us
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who will not be on the.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Airwaves on Thursday.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
But yeah, it's one of those where you look at
it and you say, oh, man, you know we are
right here at this point of the year and we
have six games left and we're we're charging into holiday
season for all intents and purposes, and you know, you
just got to get ready and you know, have your
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meals or or plan for what teammates house you're going
to be at four meals because obviously you know, some
people will open up their houses when they know you
have young guys, single guys away from home, don't really
have anything established they live in. They live in an
apartment or a condo. So you know, for us, you know,
you used to go over to Charlie Batch's house and
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we would do Thanksgiving or you know, now I think
Cam Hayward does a lot of that now with with
a lot of the guys. He makes sure he opens
up his home for guys so yeah, so there will
be places for guys, but you will get that work
came before.
Speaker 6 (44:01):
Yeah, and Charlie always has the door open to people.
What a great guy Charlie batches as the foundation of course.
And and we'll be uh maybe talking about that a
little bit come Christmas time as he gears up to
help out a lot of the kids in our neighborhood
and over in the Homestead area as well.
Speaker 5 (44:19):
So, Max, what are you looking forward to? Is it
injury updates?
Speaker 6 (44:22):
Mostly here in this last minute when we hear from
Mike tom onin coming up at about five minutes or.
Speaker 4 (44:27):
So, Yeah, and ten on and ten on that because
you know you got two starters down right now and
health and status of course of where Alex Highsmith is yep,
in that process as well, but Joey Porter junior Progerck Jones,
two very important pieces at corner and left tackle. So
looking forward to the injury report and then just kind
(44:48):
of you know, the last little buttoned up recap thoughts
about the game after after you got a chance to
watch the film.
Speaker 6 (44:54):
Our thanks to Alvarro Martin, Our thanks to Bob Labriola.
Of course, always are things suggestin Miller's controls in our
iHeart Studio forour Max Starks I'm Rob king reminder, we're
gonna be taking your phone calls tomorrow four one two
nine one nine one three one six if we get
ready for the Thanksgiving holiday. As for today, we are
thankful for you for being with us in the Locker Room,
presented by your neighborhood Forward Store and the Steelers Pro
(45:16):
Shop on Steelers Nation
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