July 31, 2025 • 48 mins
Max, Rob, and Wes chat as practice takes place down on the field in Latrobe.
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Speaker 4 (01:24):
Max how Ary, my friend, I am doing wonderful guys,
it is It's crazy right. We got a departure from
the norm. Yes, we got a morning practice, so we
actually get to get on air and actually talk about practice.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It's nice for you guys, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, No, it's not nice for me because our show
goes from ten to noon. But you know, Steelers Training
Camp Live, which I just got off of, you know,
has to air the first part of practice before they
can't show the seven shots and everything else. So it
puts you in a little bit of a quandary.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
It's one of your thurteen jobs.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, one of my turteen jobs is when the overtime
collapses with the regular time and then you know, there's
double time.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's what I had to do today.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And getting down that hill was a little more precarious
when you have an audience versus when I come down
here and nobody's out there, because like, if I do
have a spill, nobody sees it. But as soon as
I started to even make the descent, I saw like
ten pairs of eyeball staring at me. When you like,
is that okay, he's coming down, He's coming down? Okay,
Now hey can we get autographed? Who can get a picture?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know?
Speaker 7 (02:21):
So I was like, I'm really late for another job
right now.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But no, I made sure I've made time sign that,
signed that, signed autographs and took a couple of pictures
before I came up here to the booth.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Guys. So Max, we have, uh, we have settled why
Wes is a grateful dead fan. We've settled other issues
as well. Uh what we haven't settled? Then we got
Wes's some of Wes's opinions on what he saw in
the first day in PADS. I am very, very eager
to get your opinion on what you saw in the
first day of PADS physicality.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I saw a lot of violence out there. I saw
a lot of guys that did not know that they
had lunch with that guy like two hours before gotcha.
It's like they forgot their name and they became nameless
great faces.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The Backson backers Perer was really productive. It was great.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
See you know, Peyton Wilson had had a day up
against Ken Gamewell.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Connor Hayward, oh meatball.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, he definitely stuck a couple of defenders and his
duty opportunities. And you know, I will say this, Malie
Harrison is a very large human linebacker position that can
run really fast, and he had he did a good job.
Mark Robinson, not that I did not expect him to
do great things. When he has a direction, he can
go blow somebody up. But you know, those guys were
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definitely the most noticeable. Jalen Warren had had a little
bit of a of a struggle early and then recovered
really well.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And his ensuing reps.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I say, Beanie Bishop had a good day yesterday. That
interception of the intercept and the wide receiver dB Stock drill,
and I liked a lot of a lot of the
things that offensive line one on one pass rush Troy
fi Tano against t J Watt.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Troy looked really good.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And his reps, especially the guy who just made a
pass here in the drill, John new Smith, and now
there they got into a fight. Yeah, oh okay, oh right, okay,
a helmet.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Off one thorn Hill and uh that was that combative.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
John Smith went up and made the nice catch and
then kind of threw the ball down at one thorn
Hill's feet in a celebratory manner.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And one thorn Hill.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Was he didn't like that. He was saying, not here,
he didn't like that. And we're gonna generally called that defeat.
Was it that low? The throw it at his feet?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I thought, so you thought it was?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Thought? Did you think it was right out a little higher?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Maybe they're still parking.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We're talking my body parts here though, So but this is, uh,
it's interesting. I was about to give him a copple bit.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
He's literally the guy that got into the fight.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Who do you giving a comment to John Smith? I
was literally like, yeah, John Smith just got a cat
and it was like, nope, there's a fight. So but no,
I I thought there were a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Calvin Austin beautiful, beautiful, nine route street wrap down the
sidelines against Darius Slay boom catches it into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Score.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I thought Calvin had some really nice catches. Yesterday there
was a lot of guys. I mean I was all
over the place like trying to catch all of the
drills and I watched all the film last night and
it just it was good competition.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
There was there was a lot of good team things
that happened.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Mark Robinson made an impact in the team run period.
The last two plays he pretty much closed out himself
and then to start the drill, you know, having Joey
Porter Junior make that first play for a tackle for
loss on the stretch to the outside.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And then come right back and make the next time,
and then made the.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Next So you saw these spurts and moments of guys
making plays throughout the offensive line. I really liked a
lot of the things that they did. Calvin Anderson look
really good. Instead for Roderick Jones at the left tackle position,
I thought he did some really good things footwork wise.
H Spencer Anderson had a solid day at left guard.
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And now we're gonna get Isaac Ceamalo back today, the
Steelers reported earlier, so we'll get to see him and
hopefully we get to see Broderick as well, and some
team drills. I know they were doing the warm ups
when we were on air earlier. He kind of show
a little tight, little scam. So we'll get we'll get.
We'll get that team period coming up very soon.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Here.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
I think they're about to run back John new Smith
against one thornhill right now, we're about to see.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It is hyping them up.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Rob go ahead, Hey set the situation here.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So he's on the right hash or just outside the
right hash. Rudolph is a quarterback, physical meeting of the
minds here just off the line of scrimmage and a
little bit of separation. But the ball goes over his
head incomplete and and Thornhill, Thornhill wants the ball. Oh
my goodness. He uh oh, he wants the ball there
and I don't know what he's gonna do with it.
He oh my god, he shoved it in the chest
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of John new Smith. Okay, so, uh, I don't know,
is that really calmed down?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Happen?
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Is if John who did not swing on him?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And you're still talking and uh.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Back at it that this time is pres the whole time?
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Oh, people throwing water bottles up.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh my goodness. By the way, Broderick sensed an opportunity
and jogged over immediately. So if you're worried about Broderick, h.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, he was ready to get He's always ready to
mix it, ready to get it, always ready to mix
it up.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So and uh and again, uh that listen, that flared
for a couple of minutes, right, that went on, I did,
But it'll it'll unflair by the time they get to
the mess.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
All right, Yes, it's it should They should have it
situated about halfway up that hill if they're walking or
on the cart rid as you come around. It should
happen between Benedict and Rooney. They should be on the
way back to the locker room. It should clear up
about and then. But yeah, now a very very oh geez,
oh god after queen now is now in there, and
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he was trying to force his way through the middle
of the line. They wouldn't let him go without Gosh,
this is good for shells. This is a little this
is a little touch.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And by the way, Aaron Rodgers kind of ran through
the defense and uh just looked like he was just
kind of having fun with the guys. Uh, he got
he got away with it. Well, yeah, I think eight
can get away with that. He has enough cachet.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And also there's no Ah landon Robbers this year to
really test that quarterback like like e rob did a
year ago. And so they're lining up for team drills.
So we've now got some semblance of sanity right now.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you think that you know, with a lot of
the young guys in this roster, uh, you know, Russell
Wilson's accomplished a lot in the NFL. Do you think,
uh that any sort of wow, look at this, Look
at this amazing veteran in here now, because you had
one last year in Russell Wilson, and now you go
to Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. I think a lot
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of people defining as a as a maybe a probable
Hall of Famer. Maybe I don't know why he would
be on the cusps of fame. But Aaron Rodgers is like, uh,
you know, he's inner circle defeats happening in the Inner
Circle room. He's at the table. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
No, he's he's first option, first ballot Hall of Famer, right,
whereas Russell Wilson is on the list and he's going
to be first ballot. But there's a difference between being
at the top of that list being in the middle
of that list. We won't worry about it. But also
the other thing, Rob, we didn't get Russell Wilson at
this point in camp, that's right, So we didn't get
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to see any of this stuff that Aaron Rodgers is
now doing.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But just seeing I think, you know, just seeing him around, yeah,
did did the Is there an extra level of star power?
And we saw Sierra practices last year and he did.
Is there you know for young guys, I mean, you know,
Aaron Rodgers is the point and I think probably others
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are to some degree as well that he is. Like
these guys are playing mad with Rogers, Yeah, I mean,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
They're yeah, yeah, you're picking the Green Bay Packers, you know,
because you know who the quarterback ILK is.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know for years.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I mean, think about this, He has played as long
as some of these guys have been, since they've been infants.
That's right, Like the rookie class was born probably the
year that he got drafted, right, So when you're thinking
about just kind of the semblance of that and most guys,
I mean, no, granted I'm being a little tongue in
cheek there. Obviously you have to be around twenty one
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years old before you made it the league. The youngest
guy on this team I think is twenty one, so
they were technically a one year old right when he
got drafted. So not too facetious, but a lot of
these guys grew up with only knowing Aaron Rodgers in
the NFL, and now you're playing with that guy.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
That's that's very different.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Like your earliest NFL football memories as a young person,
Aaron Rodgers was in the NFL, so there's a lot
to be gleaned from that and the respect that comes
with that, right cachet. And if you've watched anything he's done,
he's had many highlight worthy moments, greatest play moments in
his career. And yet he's a guy that's running through
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the defensive huddle to make a joke about you know
what just happened down there, trying to diffuse the situation. Yeah,
you're not gonna touch Aaron Rodgers, right, You're not. If
you're touching him, it is only because it's in a
live game situation. Yeah, and even then you might not
get that close to him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I think there's a wow factor that has to be
part of what he brings to the table. And the
other thing too. You know, Look, Aaron Rodgers can can
be a for some of polarizing figure for whatever reason,
but I don't think it has ever had anything to
do with the kind of teammate he is. Certainly not
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the kind of player he is, But I don't think
the kind of teammate either. You know, he's relishing, being
in these dorms and hanging out with guys, and you
know he he wants to be part of it, and
he wants to be part of the culture and part
of the team. And I think that's kind of his
mo o.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
And if you ask any of his former teammates, he
was never a bad teammate.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
He's never been in the locker room guy.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think for us from the media perspective, when we
see him and we see what he says, right, you said,
that's where the polarizing comes because he didn't necessarily embrace
media during his early career and for a majority of
his career.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
But as far as the locker.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Room character, the man that he is, that is where
he is being at his best.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
And you hear him right now.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
He was marking across to DK and I think to
Ben telling them, hey, we're about to go back in,
get ready to go, and calling those guys, and now
those guys are running back into the whole. The ones
are back in during this drill usually doesn't happen normally
in a team drill, the ones usually get their bulk
of reps at the beginning. Then the second unit comes in.
Mason Rudolph gets his reps, and then Will Howard and
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then Skyler Thompson gets usually a ceremonial rep at the
end of each period, but right now we see the
ones back in during this period, and I think that's somewhere.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I think that's an Aaron.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Rodgers type of thing, because, like he said, he signaled
for who he wanted to come in at receiver and
they took the field again.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So the end of seven shots a couple times as well.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Yeah, where he's gonna and but today he didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Do it? Today? They gave Bill Howard to.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Right, they gave him two reps. So I think they
already lost too by our count I had for the defense. Yeah, okay, So, uh,
I did want to ask you because everyone was watching
the backs on backers, right, and it's hard not to
watch that. And I really last year I watched more
of the offensive line defensive line, and this year I
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was just I was sort of en raptured by the
backs on backers. So what did you see, you said,
Spencer Anderson, you thought looked good? Anybody else stick out
for you on that offensive line or defensive line?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, Troy Fautowano looked really good against Calvin Anderson also
did good against did good against both Alex high Smith
and Nick Herbig. I thought he had a really solid day.
Gareth Warren had some good moments as well. He was
going against Julius west Shaw for a young guy rookie
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from Lyndenwood.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Right outside of Saint Louis had some good reps as
well in that period I thought. I thought Ryan McCollum
did a decent job as well. Max Sharping went in
at center as well and had some center snaps, so
it was really good work. But I will say this,
Ya Black, if he ever learns to get at least
four inches shorter on his pass rush is going to
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be not even devastating, but it's not going to be close.
Like He's still won by being upright and not really
bending and he moved. I can't remember which of the
guards it was, but it wasn't even a competitive He
won three straight reps in a row, and Mike Tomland
made sure they went against each other a couple of times,
so so I think it was a good day. I mean,
Dereck Harmon, you could see the wiggle in the movie.
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It's tough to really judge a nose tackle in that
drill because a nose tackle is not gonna separate completely
because he has the shortest distance to go for success, right,
but you also have the most stuff to weed through
as a nose tackle. So he definitely moved the center
back four yards and got into position where he can
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affect the throw for the quarterback, and a quarterback would
obviously move that would give a more wiggle room. So
I thought he was very effective, but it's tough to
say like he had an outright win. He didn't necessarily
disengage because he's only working in a five yard box
for that moment.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Do you think that this occurred to me when I
was watching the backs on backers that you know, generally,
even if you're a middle linebacker, if you are rushing,
and of course you want to get unabated to the quarterback,
but usually there's gonna be a little jostle. You're not
gonna have maybe the room to make all the moves
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you can out here. So when you're out here, you
have room, You have room to make a move. If
you're a defender, you might not normally have that room.
When you're actually playing in a game, you gotta you
gotta squeeze through a guard tackle gap, maybe you maybe
the guard hitching, you go sideways, and you know, every
once in a while you're gonna see a guy come
off the edge of well time blitz or whatever, and
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now that guy's that guy, that back's got to pick
him up or what have you. But as watching that
drilling occurred to me that it might be slight advantage
to the defense. Agree or disagree.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I agree, it's that these one on one situations are
more advantageous to the defense except for I think wide
receiver dB. That probably might be the only one where
skewed to the wide receiver right, because a dB has
supportive Am I in zone, am I in man? And
even when I am in man, it still might turn
to zone, and zone might turn to man, and you
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have you have trying to work through different areas. So
I would say that's probably the only drill that has
slight advantage offense. But one on one pass rush, you're
never gonna get a one on one rush. It's always
a slide man two for three, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Manda man.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
But then you have a back chipping or you have
a tight end chipping. There's a lot more elements into it.
Backs on backers a middle backer is never gonna be
on the line of scrimmage rushing unabated to the running back.
It's not gonna happen. I mean, the realistic one, even
for the one on one with the tight ends and
the outside backers, is not really there because usually there's
a tackle help. There's also some other element or the
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slides going away. He only has to hold him for
like a second and a half maybe because it's a
reverse rollout to the other side and that guy's trying
to disengage and run a rout. So you do have
those elements of it. But it's always good to see what.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
The manna of a guy is, right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You got to see what that mana, what that bread
of life is for that guy.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Is he a competitor that's a New Zealand rugby reference
king or we'll get into that story.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
We'll play the speech for you so you can get acclimated.
But that's what you want to see, like does this
guy want to compete? Does he relish in the opportunity
to go mono him on?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And when he.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Doesn't have success, is he right back up there asking
for another rep because he wants to punish the guy make.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Up for his mistakes.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's what you're doing these one on one drills for
to see what makes a guy tick, right, and how
that guy responds to that type of adversity. However unrealistic
it is, it's still an opportunity to prove who you
are as a man on this field.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And I think we were talking about Caleb Johnson earlier,
and I think that you know, Caleb has did not
do a lot of pass blocking in Iowa, right, they
didn't throw the ball a ton. Now he wants to
show that he's a three down back. He went against
Malik Harrison, and Malik had a good, a good exchange,
but but Caleb Johnson popped up and he was doing
the you know, the feed meat. Yeah, he wanted to
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keep going. So you like that, You liked the fact
that he didn't shy away from from contact because Malie
Harrison's a large.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Fifty pounds lineberry. They don't have many of those in
the league.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, he is, he is a I can't wait to
see how he's gonna fit in this defense. And we
talked about him briefly the earlier. I think part of
the Ravens defensive turnaround last year was Malik Harrison getting
more reps? You know, Uh, he was a he was
a valuable guy for that team. So you know, I
think that, uh, you know, listen, everybody, and this is
just the other thing I talked about was everybody's got
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a little something different to play for. If you're Caleb Johnson,
you're gonna make the team. You're trying to show your
a three down back, right. If you are somebody else,
you know, we go a little further down. Uh you
know the depth chart and it's Trey Sermon or Evan Hall.
You need to win. You don't have the luxury of
losing a drill. You need to win every drill, just
to I was talking about this with West earlier. Just
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to get yourself up to it. Hey, I could I'm
your fourth running back, which means I could come in
if somebody gets hurt this year. I could be available
if someone gets hurt in in camp or you know,
when it comes time for Danny Smith and the rest
of the coaching staff to make your decisions. I'm competing
now with you know, a lineback or a tight end
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or a cornerback to be that extra guy kept because
you can help on special teams.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
You're playing against the field.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's right, right, But first you got to play against
your position. You got to escape the field, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're trying to escape the field, but also
the other.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Little field before you get a bigger field. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And the other thing about that is you're also doing
the stuff here on the little field, so they trust.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
You when you get to the big stadium.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's right, that you actually get reps so that you
can't audition for thirty one other teams as well. If
you if you know that you're not if you think
you're not going to make the team, you still want
to put your best foot forward and put trust down
here so they'll call your number in there. Quote unquote
un pointing all the way to Acrocure Stadium from Saint
manesturing over his shoulder. Yeah, and I'm not sure the direction,
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but somewhere over.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think you're pretty good. Yeah, I think you're pretty
good to that direction. Okay, that's good, that's good. I
was pointing over the left shoulder.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yeah, about ten degree angle, maybe ten to maybe fifteen
degree angle. Yeah, is in that direction about an hour
and ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
For all I know that that ten to fifteen degree angle,
could wind up in Wheeling, West Virginia or I'm not sure,
but not.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The worst place if you end up down at Wheeling.
The answer some nice casinos and restaurants.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh anyways, Okay, so we have plenty more to talk about.
We just have another forty minutes or so with Max Stark's.
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Speaker 3 (22:02):
And Welcome back to Saint Vincent College and Latroaux. Beautiful
day out here, hazy and warm and lovely and early
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You're inside the Locker Room if King and Stark's presented
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audio Network, Max. I wanted to get to something that
I mentioned to you yesterday the day before. We were
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talking about the offensive line, and I posited to you
that to me, most fans that I've talked to, you know,
I think everybody feels like the defense is going to
be really good. And then you know, probably the one discussion,
the one question that comes to mind, well there's two.
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Probably one is hey, are they gonna go out and
get another receiver after they traded Pickens? But the other is, hey,
is that offensive line gonna hold up? That's the outside
perception I get from fans is that that might be
sort of the number one concern of the team. As
I look at this app chart, I wonder about those concerns,
you know, I wonder if so, you know, And I
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think a lot of it comes because it's nice to
see Isaac Ciamo all though out here today getting back
in the veteran left guard. But I hope that's playful pushing. Oh,
I think it's playful pushing. Okay, good, Yeah, no, we
see exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
There's a couple of times where we thought it was playful,
and all of a sudden, the face mask is gripped
and the twist hals it. The next thing you know,
everybody's jumping in, you know, but this is kind of
I think the playful part of having those moments, because
you also have to have fun here. Right there's a
lot of testosterone down there on the field just permeating
in the atmosphere. So you know, sometimes you don't know
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if a guy is actually trying to challenge or a
guy's just trying to actually, you know, have a little
gesturing with his teammates.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
But Lineman traditionally not that early.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We don't normally get it's usually after the playoff, a
guy's falling down her trip's a guy, or you hit
the ball, Harry a little bit too hard to the
quarterback like we saw with Justin Fields and e Rob
last year. Those are the moments where it will get tested.
You know, we're very slow to anger, but we don't
necessarily cool off very cock's that's the problem, you know,
Like the John Newis Smith and jan Thorn Hill thig
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like we would have that moment, but it would it
would be a knockdown dragged down slugfest and it would
take probably the whole entire team bench clearing type of
action to stop it if they were if a lineman
really gets mad.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I got youa So I did want to ask
you about that. You know, I was thinking about that
because that really to me, that's the perception I get
from fans, the concern is. And by the way, we're
seeing Dylan Cook lining up with left tackle. You know,
there's one of those patented Aaron Rodgers look right, throw
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left screen to Jalen Warren, which was interesting. And by
the way, Jalen Ramsey he hustles down field and tries
to knock the ball out of every when he's on
the field. Every he runs down hand, you know, so
a lot of times the back will try to We'll
try to take at the distance, you know, just because
you know, the coaches will say, hey, we want you
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to get used to getting to the end zone, to
run through the drill, and and a lot of times
just see your running back just running by himself. If
Jalen Ramsey's out in the field, the running back's not
running by himself. No, he's gonna chase him out. And
he got that dark shadow behind him and try to
knock that ball out. I love that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, but once again repping for game like situations, right,
that's right, because a running back will break free at
some point, right, and you don't want to just stop
and expect the drill to be over. No, it's the
extra hustle, it's the extra added thought process.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
In there to make sure that a guy gets better.
See look, they're already better already.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I mean, you know, Deshaun Elliott knocked John Osmith down
and he helped him back up.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, that's pretty well. Throw the ball too.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, it was not complete, so Deshaun Elliott had really
tight coverage on that one. But as those type of
moments like yes, you know him and wan Thorne Hill
are working back at that second already together. But at
the same time, we're still teammates at the end of
the day, still Steelers on Steelers. Now, there is competition,
right because you're still trying to prove that you deserve
to be on this team. But they doesn't let it
get in the way of work, right, It doesn't let
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you get in the way of doing your technique and
doing your job. So that's one of the things where
we could see. Okay, things are starting to clear up already.
Peyton Wilson jumped off sides. There a great hard count
by Aaron, and of course Aaron throws it to DK
because it's a free play, Like you gotta wrap those
things as well. Yep, and nobody better on a free
play at the quarterback position then won, mister Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And by the way, Harmon got in there quickly on
that play too. I'm not sure there would have been
room to actually throw that ball, but it was off side.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You free play, but you got to go through the motions, right,
You got to go through those type of situations. But
Aaron does have a really good hard count.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, oh for sure. Yeah he's got every he's got
every trick in the bag. Yeah, every throw in the bag,
every trick in the bag. So what I was gonna
say about the offensive lineman, and I look, I get it.
I get fan saying, well, Towna didn't start last year,
so now you have a basically a rookie starting at
right tackle. And now you've moved Broderick Jones, you know
who Faltano had beaten out last year. A nice throwing
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completion to Ben scronic, slow to get up with thornhill
and coverage. Really good throw by Mason Rudolph there on
a crossing pattern. But uh, you know, so I understand
those concerns, right, I get that. Yeah, and then I think,
but I think when I look at the depth. You know,
Calvin Anderson's a guy, uh at tackle who started games
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in the NFL, and you gave a two year contract
to you expect him to be a backup. Dylan Cook
is a guy who's been with the with the with
the team, and so he he understands he's another tackle.
Max Sharping at guard, he started games in the NFL.
Spencer Anderson, who's probably the next guy up at multiple positions,
he started games in the NFL. Ryan McCollum at center,
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He started games in the NFL. You know, in a
in a league in which it is very very difficult
to find offensive lineman. I I think that's pretty good depth. No,
it is good depth.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Now here's the question, and this is where the concern
comes in, right from the fans, is that they haven't
done it together.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That's right. It's been mix and match.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It's been moments here, spot duty there, and it hasn't
been a wholesale This is my day one starting group
and they go to week eighteen. That's where the concern is.
But I say this, you need experience. At some point,
every great line had to start somewhere, and so that's
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what we're seeing that somewhere be here that you're gonna
see this. And right now we don't even have the
full starting group that we have on paper starting together
right because the left side is still you know, still
guys waiting to come back from injury, guys who've been
nicked up, Projerct Jones and Isaac c Amalu, and they
got to work back into game shape. But like you said,
Spencer Anderson has some starts here, Dylan Cook is a
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very good offensive lineman. And Calvin Anderson, who's been here
in the last couple of days. Now, they're kind of
rotating him because I think they want to get Calvin
some experience at other places, you know, work into that
fold and show, hey, you know, I've been in this
league for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I've seen some things and I know how to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
So trying to just put it all together and figure
out how it's going to because injuries will strike. So
it's not a matter of if we saw last year,
especially like Troy Fatanu right that week three in Denver
came in and was playing and then all of a
sudden and Project had to go back in because he
got injured. So you know, there are those moments where
you've got to you've got to have eight offensive linemen.
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Think if you're starting five, but you need eight, right,
are capable and ready to go, And this is the
moment to build those opportunities like Spencer ANDSTS is getting
all the first team left guard reps, but we know
he can snap at center, but we know he can
jump out to tackle.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And do other things.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And you've got to build your base so that you
can start working on that team chemistry. I mean, I
think about our lines when I played, you know, I was,
I was a backup year one another. There we go,
another fight and this is more lineman on lineman actually
looks like right here, Nope, YEPA was in there. Zach
Fraser was locked up with it looked like I don't
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know who that oh, Cole Holcomb.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And there's more. There's still more going talking.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And yeah, and DK had his helmet off and he
and he had to pull him back as well, yet
temperatures are rising again.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
In there. John, well, John was always gonna be in there.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think that's something we've learned over the last like
twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
If there's a mix of johnno wants to be right
in the middle of all of it and talking smack.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
But I think that was more DK and Chuck Clark,
and then you saw Zach Fraser and Cole Holcomb getting
into it as well.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Had to be separated.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But yeah, but getting back to this line line group,
and that's why I want to see also if there
is a mix up, I want to see all five
linemen in there, like because that was a trademark of
our squad, Like when we talked about it, like we
might not have been the best at all times, we
mightn't have been number one or anything like that, but
I knew number one all got my back team was
our offensive line, and we were gonna run down field
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and we were going to chase the action. We didn't
shy away from it. I mean, I'm up here with
with with Willie Cologne, you know, effectually call him my
little brother. But you know, see there we go see
a little extra there by Roman Wilson and Brandon Eckles. Yeah,
I couldn't see. The numbers are bunched up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah. I like to see the fact that Roman Wilson
was twenty five yards downfield and still blocking right, still
still into his defender and blocking, and you know, uh so,
good for him. Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
But this is all team building, This is all chemistry,
and this is all building trust within your unit that hey,
this guy has my back if anything goes down, I
know he's got my back. And the wide receivers have
to have that with their unit. Running backs have to
have it with them. But offensive line, we are we
are the we are the big Glove. We are the
all State, right, you know when you see the signs
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of the Inze with hands and the heart, like, that's
what we are. We're the hands around the heart and
we're around the heart of this team. We've got to
be involved and we have to make sure. So it
was funny as I was talking about that, like me
and Willie, like we had we had understanding, like one
if one.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Fights, we all fight.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
And I'm not gonna leave my brother hanging out.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I'm not gonna let him be surrounded by four or
five other shirts is what we call it right right,
and we we we have to be a unit because
once again, offensive line five fingers have to become a
fist right and you and you can't. You can't win
if you got one appendage sticking out or one falange
quote unquote sticking out, you're gonna it's gonna break. You
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have to be tight and solid. So I love seeing
those guys work together. And then one of the things
that Willy Coloone brought up in one of the offensive
line meetings when we were when we were with them,
was hey, get in game shape, you know, get ready
for the for the action. So what you'll see is
if you come out to practice when units are out,
they go and they run a half gasser afterwards, like
run across the width of the field and back. That's
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to get you ready for or the season because these
segments that we have that's not game situations.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You know, a drive is not from the same spot.
Line up, everything's cool, get the play call in. No,
it's a constant moving convoy downfield and you have to
have the breath and the endurance to deal with that.
Because offensive line we don't sub every other position except
for quarterback subs. So we have to be in there
just as much as our quarterback has to be in there,
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and we've got to be ready to go, and we're
adaptable for any situation, run, pass, screen, whatever. So build
that endurance up. And you know, Willie said that said
as much in the meeting, and those guys took it
to heart. They're now doing those type of things because
you've got to run. You've got to figure it out
because you're not gonna get You can't tap your helmet
like Anthony Richardson for the Colts and get out of
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a play like the only way you get out is
because you're injured. And if you're injured and you're hurt,
you have to make that designation too.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yah. That's right. You know it's interesting too to me
watching this. And you know, one of the things that
I learned from many moons ago playing high school but
then playing small college football, was it there's a lot
of times where I thought, as a fan, I knew
what was going on. When I realized I don't always
know what's going on. I thought I knew it was
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going on, and there was a play we just had
here A couple of plays ago a short pass over
the middle to Keishawn Williams and Galbreath was in the
left slot just actually more of an h back position,
and a defender came up late to show Blitz and
Glbrith released right instead of you know, he would be
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the outside guy to picked that up. And it was
a short pass over the middle, and the quarterback I
think it was will Hoard, had plenty of time to
throw a short pass in a completion. I was expecting
Gaalbreth to step out and interrupt that pass rusher and
I don't know whether he didn't see him or he
wasn't supposed to because it was such a quick pattern.
So that's one of those things where just another example,
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another manifestation of the fact that we he don't always
know as fans or even Max, you know, people that
have really observed the game closely what a particular call
was and if something goes awry, who was to play
you know what's see, Oh wow, that the cornerback blew
that coverage. I have no idea if the cornerback blew
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that coverage or there was help over the top and
the guy didn't hear the audible call or was supposed
to roll from cover two into cover three and didn't
do it. I have no idea. I don't know what
was called.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, well, I think that's the beauty of it, right,
because you know, we are in a reactionary sport. We
don't get the view of what's the play call, what
was the defensive call. Okay, let's look at the structure. Okay,
this guy wasn't lined up here. But you also realize
out here guys make mistakes, right. But also sometimes a
quarterback wants that as is hot. Right, he's that because
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he knows that replaces there. So now if he blitzes,
I know what's open and that's why I can throw
that short pass. So don't interrupt his pass, rus because
I don't need him jumping in the lane if you
knock them off.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
So sometimes the quarterback wants those hots.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They invite those type of hots.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
And you know for Aaron or even Will or Mason
that you know, offensive line will try. We like to
protect everything, right, We don't want to leave any gaps,
you know, especially in the interior of everything. But sometimes
the quarterback's like, you know what, I want that because
that's gonna clear my checkdown route. But that's gonna clear
my shallow crosser. I know where to throw it. So
you kind of let some things be, but you you
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want to try and figure it out. And they're figuring
it out as well in practices every day. You know,
when you watch it, you're like, gosh, why is this
alignment here? And then you realize. You know, there was
one time in seven shots, I was watching it and
I was like, why are they in the six to
two defense versus eleven personnel? Oh, somebody messed up on
the defensive side, didn't call it in the wrong personnel group,
and you got to play.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sometimes it happens that way.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You gotta make do with it, and maybe you won't
run that exact play that's called, but you got to
see it because there are going to be those moments
where defenses are trying to play cat and mouse with you,
and you got to be able to adapt to whatever
those situations are, and vice versa. So it's good to
see those situations here in this controlled environment where you
can kind of rep it, talk about it, watch the film,
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and get better as a group.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I remember, in an uncontrolled environment many moons ago, we
had we had a Division two, Division three, NAI first
team All American tight end. His name was Paul Matthews,
terrific player. And he was lined up and we had
the occasional hot read right like you could throw it
to the guy, and and we had a we had
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receivers split out to each oid, and there was nobody
in the middle of the field. And I'm like, oh, Paul,
Paul had had a choice pattern. I'm like, I have
to do stand up and pop it to him, and
he's gonna run for a touchdown, right, He's gonna run
ADARs for touchdown. So I take one step back, which
of course now has completely screwed up the rhythm and
the play to the pop pass. And just as I
do that and look at him, I realize he's not
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gonna release because he's covered, right, he has to stay
in and block. So so I mean, and I say
that just because I think those things have to happen here, right,
They have to happen here. Those mistakes have to happen here.
They can't happen. But but but when you say they
can't happen, they still will happen. Yes, inevitably, it still
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will happen. And we don't know the point that we
don't know necessarily who's.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
To play exactly, and you and you won't find it
out un till the tail of the tape comes out
right at the end of the day. Hindsight's twenty twenty
when you get to sit back and watch the film
and understand what the schematics are that you find out
what the play structure is and you're like.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Oh, that's why he didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
But you can't go back and say, hey, can I
get the time machine and go back to you know
that right when we call that play so I can
explain it better.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Right, No, you don't get that. And that's the beauty
of football.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
It's a live action sport. It's a sport that has
human error involved in it, right, and it's so much
going on, and if you don't pass along the message,
a guy doesn't know, and that can screw up the
entire play, you know, for an offense or a defense,
because if you get out of a gap and you're
expecting somebody to cover that gap and they don't, well,
if you're running a ball that running.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Back, id's that gap.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
You could be the difference between a tackle for loss
or a twenty yard game In some of those statues.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It is a high risk, high reward type. Just real quick,
I want to ask you this, did you ever so
so again? Things things are happening fast. You know, teams
are trying to they're trying to disguise what they're doing.
I think a lot of the reason that veteran quarterbacks
will let the play clock go down is that, inevitably,
remember Ton showing me film, Inevitably somebody will have a tell.
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Some defensive back will get antsy and start backpedaling into
his position before the snap, and then a Peyton Manning
or an Aaron Rodgers says, gotcha, I know exactly what you're
gonna do now, I know exactly who's going to be open.
Did you ever have a late switch on a play
that comes to mind where you're like, uh, oh, we're
in big trouble, but then the play still worked anyway.
Oh yeah, No, We've had a lot of those. Geez.
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I mean, well, talent helps, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But I would say this, I would say, you know,
we've gotten the situations. I mean multiple times when we're
in like a two minute drill or Ben's running Ben's
running a no huddle and we get out there. We
had the best laid plans, right, you know, like, man,
we're on the left hash We're gonna run this and
it's gonna be great because the short side of the field,
they can't overload, overload this side.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So we had a weak side play. It was called
blunt back in the day. It was a week.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It was a weak side inside zone and so on
on the open side at left tackle right, I don't
have a tight end, so it's man blocking for the
for the tackle and the guard.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
So we're out. We got our two guys.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
The backside combo block works to the front side backer,
and then you just have a scoop with the tight
end that works to the backside backer. Because usually it's
a four two nickel structure. Well, overhang comes in that
moment interception right there, a little little hot potato interception.
Killer brew gets he's he's a second guy to get it.
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You know, it was it was it was a good
it was a good effort.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I think it was. I'm trying to see who that
was that I went in for it. It looked like it.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Was h's a shallow crosser to the inside, and.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I think, who wait a second, I can't tell.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Think it might have been Chuck Clark who got a finger.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Chuck bounced it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I've given him some some props in the huddle now.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So yeah, no, Chuck popped it up and then Killer
Brew caught it. But I was trying to see the
intended receiver. That's what I was trying to figure out.
Who was it intended for? Threw it in traffic on
the shallow cross, and I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Sixteen Robert Woods. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
I'm still getting used to the new numbers.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
So Robert Woods went in, tried to get it popped
up by Chuck Clark and Miles Killer Brew caught it
and took it in for the score. But back to
my original point, we're running blunt and you never expect
a safety to come down into the box because that
could blow the play up, right, because you're overloaded to
the front side and inevitably strong safety comes walking up
in the box. Now we're screwed, but we're too late
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in the count to change it to go to the
other side. Is when one side's overloaded, that means the
other side's light, so you usually want to switch it
to the other side. But we were too late to
get to pass it off and get the playoff in time,
so we had to stick with the blunt. We're like,
this is gonna get blown up. Okay, so you know
I'm trying to get wide, but I know this, this
is the safety's down in the box. That defensive end's
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gonna slant to the inside, right right. So I take
my step, he goes to the inside, and I just
create a wall. Well, the safety overshoots it coming from
his blitzing angle and we're able to get it off
to the inside. Rashard ends up cutting it like right
off my butt. Normally he's supposed to stretch a little
bit wider and then cut back to the inside. He
just keeps it right off my butt because he sees
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the walls made and we get a seven yard game.
So those are the type of moments where you're like, Okay,
it sucks. Is not what it's supposed to be like structurally,
the defense is not supposed to do this right right,
But the defense does it.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
And we end up still having success. So the average
fan is not going to look at home and say, boy,
they got lucky on that play. Exactly. Who's at fault?
Just again, I'm not trying to get on an electro mode,
and just just some of the nuances of what you
think happened as a fan and what and what did
happen and what didn't happen are sometimes different than the
reality it is.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
And that's the nature of football because everybody's trying to
outsmart the other. And that's what the chess match is.
That is football. So you you regale in the fact
when it does work out. It's like I love when
a plant comes together, right, you know, you're Murdoch on
the A team, But at the same time you know
you're like, You're like, man.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Why did they do this?
Speaker 7 (43:30):
And it's like, well, it wasn't supposed to be this way.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
You can't cry over spilt milk.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You get back and get back into the game and
play the next play and hopefully you make up the
dishes that you lost on the first one by the
next one.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
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Speaker 3 (44:27):
And we welcome you back inside the locker room with
the arbiter that starts. It sounds vaguely like a guy
who might be chopping down trees and arbiter, yeah, identifying trees.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Yeah, I mean arbiter arborist.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Quite the same thing.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Or, as I like to say, I'm the why guy.
Why explain why something? Uh?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Very nice?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, you get you get to ask the question and
set up the scene for me. Then I explained why right,
why they do it?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
So? Uh again, we only had you for an abbreviated
period of time. You're you were pleased with the physical
uh nature of yesterday's practice, yes right, yeah, which is
seemed to have spilled over today some of the combativeness
spilding you know, like like leftovers often do right, and
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and we like combativeness as long as it's.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Capped within a certain time, contained, contained, contained, as long
as it's contained, and it's only restricted to the field.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
You know, once you walk up the hill, once you
head back to that locker room, all that emotion needs
to be left outside, right because inside that building, in
the locker room, that's where the bonding happens.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Right. We were watching some special dream Deem special teams
drills taking place. If you were to pick a couple
of winners where there are a couple of winners from
yesterday's practice for Youmax.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, Joey Porter, Junior, Mark Robinson. I think on the
defense were the very easy choices. Connor Hayward was a
winner yesterday. He was impressive in the backend backers, very
impressive and made some great catches on the team periods
as well. Uh Troy Fatanu was a winner there one
on ones and also really good to hear moving moving
some guys and the team run stuff. Still, you know,
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still work in progress. I'm not gonna sit there and
say that it was the best right tackle. You know,
second year performs I've ever seen, But no I felt
like he was a winner, yes, a very visible winner yesterday.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
He's kind of a rookie and a half.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
Yeah, that should have wrought.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Plus I talked to him about that, and OTA is
about like the fact that you know, you've got some
time under your belt without having the season under your belt,
so at least there's some comfortability. And you know, I
think when you're a rookie, probably your head spinning a
little bit. Right. You got meetings, and you got playbooks,
and the playbooks bigger than your college playbook, and and
now you got to do this part of practice in
that and you got to you know, where do I go?
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And where's the mess hall and where all these things?
At least that part of it, that newness is off,
not the newness of playing in the NFL. That's why
I kind of like it's a Oh, he's kind of
a rookie and a half. He's not really a second
year guy. But he's not really a rookie.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Yeah, exactly, he's in he's in rookie limbo.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
He's he's quasi rook quasi rook you know. And and
that's the thing that I think he knows how to
do it. He's been through training camp, He's been through
all of this phase of it. He's gone through the preseason,
He's made it to the beginning of the season. He
just hasn't made it to the finish line this season yet.
So that's where he kind of he has some experience.
It's almost like me when I watch a YouTube video
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on how to like replace a light, Like I, I
now know enough to electrocute myself, you know what I'm saying,
Like I have that much working knowledge of electricity and
wires that I could. I could, I could potentially harm
myself very badly. I don't think I could kill myself,
but I could harm myself very badly. Yeah, I will
not probably. I grew up in a house full of electricians,
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so I'm good there. But once again, it's been a
while since I've done it. So I think that's where
he falls in. He's good enough to know what to
do and how to do it, but for the length
of time that's necessary, that's where he kind of lacks
the experience, right.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
And looking forward to him getting that experience this year,
Looking forward to many more locker rooms to come, including
one tomorrow. Even though the team will be doing Friday
Night Lights. We will be coming to you at ten
am tomorrow for Max Starks and for Wes Uler doing
some filling in for c.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
He's our Vaughn. He's our major league Vaughn. Like he
comes in for the relief duty and.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
He wild strength, wild thing. Wes, Yeah, wild thing. I'm
Rob King. That was a pre ANDVI. I didn't want
to say that sounded kind of like out of nowhere,
but I had introduced everybody else, right. Bob Labriol is
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They moved practice to ten to twelve. That made extra
duty for Max Stark's who has quietly man for a
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big man, Light Feet has quietly.
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Ninja Venish. I feel like we need a golfers clap bear.
Speaker 5 (01:10):
Yes, Wow, want to move by Max.
Speaker 6 (01:13):
Stars Dancing Bears, catch more Fish and that is a
nice entry line by by Max Starks.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Max how Ary, my friend, I am doing wonderful guys,
it is It's crazy right. We got a departure from
the norm. Yes, we got a morning practice, so we
actually get to get on air and actually talk about practice.
Speaker 5 (01:35):
It's nice for you guys, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Yeah, No, it's not nice for me because our show
goes from ten to noon. But you know, Steelers Training
Camp Live, which I just got off of, you know,
has to air the first part of practice before they
can't show the seven shots and everything else. So it
puts you in a little bit of a quandary.
Speaker 5 (01:52):
It's one of your thurteen jobs.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Yeah, one of my turteen jobs is when the overtime
collapses with the regular time and then you know, there's
double time.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
That's what I had to do today.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
And getting down that hill was a little more precarious
when you have an audience versus when I come down
here and nobody's out there, because like, if I do
have a spill, nobody sees it. But as soon as
I started to even make the descent, I saw like
ten pairs of eyeball staring at me. When you like,
is that okay, he's coming down, He's coming down? Okay,
Now hey can we get autographed? Who can get a picture?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You know?
Speaker 7 (02:21):
So I was like, I'm really late for another job
right now.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
But no, I made sure I've made time sign that,
signed that, signed autographs and took a couple of pictures
before I came up here to the booth.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Guys. So Max, we have, uh, we have settled why
Wes is a grateful dead fan. We've settled other issues
as well. Uh what we haven't settled? Then we got
Wes's some of Wes's opinions on what he saw in
the first day in PADS. I am very, very eager
to get your opinion on what you saw in the
first day of PADS physicality.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
I saw a lot of violence out there. I saw
a lot of guys that did not know that they
had lunch with that guy like two hours before gotcha.
It's like they forgot their name and they became nameless
great faces.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
The Backson backers Perer was really productive. It was great.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
See you know, Peyton Wilson had had a day up
against Ken Gamewell.
Speaker 7 (03:13):
Connor Hayward, oh meatball.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
Yeah, he definitely stuck a couple of defenders and his
duty opportunities. And you know, I will say this, Malie
Harrison is a very large human linebacker position that can
run really fast, and he had he did a good job.
Mark Robinson, not that I did not expect him to
do great things. When he has a direction, he can
go blow somebody up. But you know, those guys were
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definitely the most noticeable. Jalen Warren had had a little
bit of a of a struggle early and then recovered
really well.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And his ensuing reps.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
I say, Beanie Bishop had a good day yesterday. That
interception of the intercept and the wide receiver dB Stock drill,
and I liked a lot of a lot of the
things that offensive line one on one pass rush Troy
fi Tano against t J Watt.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Troy looked really good.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
And his reps, especially the guy who just made a
pass here in the drill, John new Smith, and now
there they got into a fight. Yeah, oh okay, oh right, okay,
a helmet.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Off one thorn Hill and uh that was that combative.
Speaker 8 (04:18):
John Smith went up and made the nice catch and
then kind of threw the ball down at one thorn
Hill's feet in a celebratory manner.
Speaker 5 (04:24):
And one thorn Hill.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Was he didn't like that. He was saying, not here,
he didn't like that. And we're gonna generally called that defeat.
Was it that low? The throw it at his feet?
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I thought, so you thought it was?
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Thought? Did you think it was right out a little higher?
Speaker 5 (04:36):
Maybe they're still parking.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
We're talking my body parts here though, So but this is, uh,
it's interesting. I was about to give him a copple bit.
Speaker 7 (04:47):
He's literally the guy that got into the fight.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Who do you giving a comment to John Smith? I
was literally like, yeah, John Smith just got a cat
and it was like, nope, there's a fight. So but no,
I I thought there were a lot of guys.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
Calvin Austin beautiful, beautiful, nine route street wrap down the
sidelines against Darius Slay boom catches it into the end zone.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
Score.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
I thought Calvin had some really nice catches. Yesterday there
was a lot of guys. I mean I was all
over the place like trying to catch all of the
drills and I watched all the film last night and
it just it was good competition.
Speaker 7 (05:24):
There was there was a lot of good team things
that happened.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Mark Robinson made an impact in the team run period.
The last two plays he pretty much closed out himself
and then to start the drill, you know, having Joey
Porter Junior make that first play for a tackle for
loss on the stretch to the outside.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
And then come right back and make the next time,
and then made the.
Speaker 4 (05:44):
Next So you saw these spurts and moments of guys
making plays throughout the offensive line. I really liked a
lot of the things that they did. Calvin Anderson look
really good. Instead for Roderick Jones at the left tackle position,
I thought he did some really good things footwork wise.
H Spencer Anderson had a solid day at left guard.
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And now we're gonna get Isaac Ceamalo back today, the
Steelers reported earlier, so we'll get to see him and
hopefully we get to see Broderick as well, and some
team drills. I know they were doing the warm ups
when we were on air earlier. He kind of show
a little tight, little scam. So we'll get we'll get.
We'll get that team period coming up very soon.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Here.
Speaker 8 (06:21):
I think they're about to run back John new Smith
against one thornhill right now, we're about to see.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
It is hyping them up.
Speaker 7 (06:28):
Rob go ahead, Hey set the situation here.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
So he's on the right hash or just outside the
right hash. Rudolph is a quarterback, physical meeting of the
minds here just off the line of scrimmage and a
little bit of separation. But the ball goes over his
head incomplete and and Thornhill, Thornhill wants the ball. Oh
my goodness. He uh oh, he wants the ball there
and I don't know what he's gonna do with it.
He oh my god, he shoved it in the chest
(06:52):
of John new Smith. Okay, so, uh, I don't know,
is that really calmed down?
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Happen?
Speaker 7 (07:00):
Is if John who did not swing on him?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
And you're still talking and uh.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
Back at it that this time is pres the whole time?
Speaker 7 (07:12):
Oh, people throwing water bottles up.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Oh my goodness. By the way, Broderick sensed an opportunity
and jogged over immediately. So if you're worried about Broderick, h.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
Yeah, he was ready to get He's always ready to
mix it, ready to get it, always ready to mix
it up.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
So and uh and again, uh that listen, that flared
for a couple of minutes, right, that went on, I did,
But it'll it'll unflair by the time they get to
the mess.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
All right, Yes, it's it should They should have it
situated about halfway up that hill if they're walking or
on the cart rid as you come around. It should
happen between Benedict and Rooney. They should be on the
way back to the locker room. It should clear up
about and then. But yeah, now a very very oh geez,
oh god after queen now is now in there, and
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he was trying to force his way through the middle
of the line. They wouldn't let him go without Gosh,
this is good for shells. This is a little this
is a little touch.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
And by the way, Aaron Rodgers kind of ran through
the defense and uh just looked like he was just
kind of having fun with the guys. Uh, he got
he got away with it. Well, yeah, I think eight
can get away with that. He has enough cachet.
Speaker 4 (08:19):
And also there's no Ah landon Robbers this year to
really test that quarterback like like e rob did a
year ago. And so they're lining up for team drills.
So we've now got some semblance of sanity right now.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do you think that you know, with a lot of
the young guys in this roster, uh, you know, Russell
Wilson's accomplished a lot in the NFL. Do you think,
uh that any sort of wow, look at this, Look
at this amazing veteran in here now, because you had
one last year in Russell Wilson, and now you go
to Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson. I think a lot
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of people defining as a as a maybe a probable
Hall of Famer. Maybe I don't know why he would
be on the cusps of fame. But Aaron Rodgers is like, uh,
you know, he's inner circle defeats happening in the Inner
Circle room. He's at the table. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
No, he's he's first option, first ballot Hall of Famer, right,
whereas Russell Wilson is on the list and he's going
to be first ballot. But there's a difference between being
at the top of that list being in the middle
of that list. We won't worry about it. But also
the other thing, Rob, we didn't get Russell Wilson at
this point in camp, that's right, So we didn't get
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to see any of this stuff that Aaron Rodgers is
now doing.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
But just seeing I think, you know, just seeing him around, yeah,
did did the Is there an extra level of star power?
And we saw Sierra practices last year and he did.
Is there you know for young guys, I mean, you know,
Aaron Rodgers is the point and I think probably others
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are to some degree as well that he is. Like
these guys are playing mad with Rogers, Yeah, I mean,
I mean.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
They're yeah, yeah, you're picking the Green Bay Packers, you know,
because you know who the quarterback ILK is.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
You know for years.
Speaker 4 (10:10):
I mean, think about this, He has played as long
as some of these guys have been, since they've been infants.
That's right, Like the rookie class was born probably the
year that he got drafted, right, So when you're thinking
about just kind of the semblance of that and most guys,
I mean, no, granted I'm being a little tongue in
cheek there. Obviously you have to be around twenty one
(10:32):
years old before you made it the league. The youngest
guy on this team I think is twenty one, so
they were technically a one year old right when he
got drafted. So not too facetious, but a lot of
these guys grew up with only knowing Aaron Rodgers in
the NFL, and now you're playing with that guy.
Speaker 7 (10:48):
That's that's very different.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Like your earliest NFL football memories as a young person,
Aaron Rodgers was in the NFL, so there's a lot
to be gleaned from that and the respect that comes
with that, right cachet. And if you've watched anything he's done,
he's had many highlight worthy moments, greatest play moments in
his career. And yet he's a guy that's running through
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the defensive huddle to make a joke about you know
what just happened down there, trying to diffuse the situation. Yeah,
you're not gonna touch Aaron Rodgers, right, You're not. If
you're touching him, it is only because it's in a
live game situation. Yeah, and even then you might not
get that close to him.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I think there's a wow factor that has to be
part of what he brings to the table. And the
other thing too. You know, Look, Aaron Rodgers can can
be a for some of polarizing figure for whatever reason,
but I don't think it has ever had anything to
do with the kind of teammate he is. Certainly not
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the kind of player he is, But I don't think
the kind of teammate either. You know, he's relishing, being
in these dorms and hanging out with guys, and you
know he he wants to be part of it, and
he wants to be part of the culture and part
of the team. And I think that's kind of his
mo o.
Speaker 7 (12:04):
And if you ask any of his former teammates, he
was never a bad teammate.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
That's what I'm talking.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
He's never been in the locker room guy.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
I think for us from the media perspective, when we
see him and we see what he says, right, you said,
that's where the polarizing comes because he didn't necessarily embrace
media during his early career and for a majority of
his career.
Speaker 7 (12:25):
But as far as the locker.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Room character, the man that he is, that is where
he is being at his best.
Speaker 7 (12:32):
And you hear him right now.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
He was marking across to DK and I think to
Ben telling them, hey, we're about to go back in,
get ready to go, and calling those guys, and now
those guys are running back into the whole. The ones
are back in during this drill usually doesn't happen normally
in a team drill, the ones usually get their bulk
of reps at the beginning. Then the second unit comes in.
Mason Rudolph gets his reps, and then Will Howard and
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then Skyler Thompson gets usually a ceremonial rep at the
end of each period, but right now we see the
ones back in during this period, and I think that's somewhere.
Speaker 7 (13:06):
I think that's an Aaron.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Rodgers type of thing, because, like he said, he signaled
for who he wanted to come in at receiver and
they took the field again.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
So the end of seven shots a couple times as well.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Yeah, where he's gonna and but today he didn't do it.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Do it? Today? They gave Bill Howard to.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Right, they gave him two reps. So I think they
already lost too by our count I had for the defense. Yeah, okay, So, uh,
I did want to ask you because everyone was watching
the backs on backers, right, and it's hard not to
watch that. And I really last year I watched more
of the offensive line defensive line, and this year I
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was just I was sort of en raptured by the
backs on backers. So what did you see, you said,
Spencer Anderson, you thought looked good? Anybody else stick out
for you on that offensive line or defensive line?
Speaker 4 (13:54):
Yeah, Troy Fautowano looked really good against Calvin Anderson also
did good against did good against both Alex high Smith
and Nick Herbig. I thought he had a really solid day.
Gareth Warren had some good moments as well. He was
going against Julius west Shaw for a young guy rookie
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from Lyndenwood.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
We talked about that.
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Right outside of Saint Louis had some good reps as
well in that period I thought. I thought Ryan McCollum
did a decent job as well. Max Sharping went in
at center as well and had some center snaps, so
it was really good work. But I will say this,
Ya Black, if he ever learns to get at least
four inches shorter on his pass rush is going to
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be not even devastating, but it's not going to be close.
Like He's still won by being upright and not really
bending and he moved. I can't remember which of the
guards it was, but it wasn't even a competitive He
won three straight reps in a row, and Mike Tomland
made sure they went against each other a couple of times,
so so I think it was a good day. I mean,
Dereck Harmon, you could see the wiggle in the movie.
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It's tough to really judge a nose tackle in that
drill because a nose tackle is not gonna separate completely
because he has the shortest distance to go for success, right,
but you also have the most stuff to weed through
as a nose tackle. So he definitely moved the center
back four yards and got into position where he can
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affect the throw for the quarterback, and a quarterback would
obviously move that would give a more wiggle room. So
I thought he was very effective, but it's tough to
say like he had an outright win. He didn't necessarily
disengage because he's only working in a five yard box
for that moment.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Do you think that this occurred to me when I
was watching the backs on backers that you know, generally,
even if you're a middle linebacker, if you are rushing,
and of course you want to get unabated to the quarterback,
but usually there's gonna be a little jostle. You're not
gonna have maybe the room to make all the moves
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you can out here. So when you're out here, you
have room, You have room to make a move. If
you're a defender, you might not normally have that room.
When you're actually playing in a game, you gotta you
gotta squeeze through a guard tackle gap, maybe you maybe
the guard hitching, you go sideways, and you know, every
once in a while you're gonna see a guy come
off the edge of well time blitz or whatever, and
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now that guy's that guy, that back's got to pick
him up or what have you. But as watching that
drilling occurred to me that it might be slight advantage
to the defense. Agree or disagree.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
I agree, it's that these one on one situations are
more advantageous to the defense except for I think wide
receiver dB. That probably might be the only one where
skewed to the wide receiver right, because a dB has
supportive Am I in zone, am I in man? And
even when I am in man, it still might turn
to zone, and zone might turn to man, and you
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have you have trying to work through different areas. So
I would say that's probably the only drill that has
slight advantage offense. But one on one pass rush, you're
never gonna get a one on one rush. It's always
a slide man two for three, you know.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Manda man.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
But then you have a back chipping or you have
a tight end chipping. There's a lot more elements into it.
Backs on backers a middle backer is never gonna be
on the line of scrimmage rushing unabated to the running back.
It's not gonna happen. I mean, the realistic one, even
for the one on one with the tight ends and
the outside backers, is not really there because usually there's
a tackle help. There's also some other element or the
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slides going away. He only has to hold him for
like a second and a half maybe because it's a
reverse rollout to the other side and that guy's trying
to disengage and run a rout. So you do have
those elements of it. But it's always good to see what.
Speaker 7 (17:38):
The manna of a guy is, right, that's right.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
You got to see what that mana, what that bread
of life is for that guy.
Speaker 8 (17:46):
Is he a competitor that's a New Zealand rugby reference
king or we'll get into that story.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
We'll play the speech for you so you can get acclimated.
But that's what you want to see, like does this
guy want to compete? Does he relish in the opportunity
to go mono him on?
Speaker 3 (18:00):
And when he.
Speaker 4 (18:01):
Doesn't have success, is he right back up there asking
for another rep because he wants to punish the guy make.
Speaker 7 (18:05):
Up for his mistakes.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's what you're doing these one on one drills for
to see what makes a guy tick, right, and how
that guy responds to that type of adversity. However unrealistic
it is, it's still an opportunity to prove who you
are as a man on this field.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
And I think we were talking about Caleb Johnson earlier,
and I think that you know, Caleb has did not
do a lot of pass blocking in Iowa, right, they
didn't throw the ball a ton. Now he wants to
show that he's a three down back. He went against
Malik Harrison, and Malik had a good, a good exchange,
but but Caleb Johnson popped up and he was doing
the you know, the feed meat. Yeah, he wanted to
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keep going. So you like that, You liked the fact
that he didn't shy away from from contact because Malie
Harrison's a large.
Speaker 7 (18:51):
Fifty pounds lineberry. They don't have many of those in
the league.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
No, he is, he is a I can't wait to
see how he's gonna fit in this defense. And we
talked about him briefly the earlier. I think part of
the Ravens defensive turnaround last year was Malik Harrison getting
more reps? You know, Uh, he was a he was
a valuable guy for that team. So you know, I
think that, uh, you know, listen, everybody, and this is
just the other thing I talked about was everybody's got
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a little something different to play for. If you're Caleb Johnson,
you're gonna make the team. You're trying to show your
a three down back, right. If you are somebody else,
you know, we go a little further down. Uh you
know the depth chart and it's Trey Sermon or Evan Hall.
You need to win. You don't have the luxury of
losing a drill. You need to win every drill, just
to I was talking about this with West earlier. Just
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to get yourself up to it. Hey, I could I'm
your fourth running back, which means I could come in
if somebody gets hurt this year. I could be available
if someone gets hurt in in camp or you know,
when it comes time for Danny Smith and the rest
of the coaching staff to make your decisions. I'm competing
now with you know, a lineback or a tight end
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or a cornerback to be that extra guy kept because
you can help on special teams.
Speaker 7 (20:05):
You're playing against the field.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
That's right, right, But first you got to play against
your position. You got to escape the field, you know.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, you're trying to escape the field, but also
the other.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Little field before you get a bigger field. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:16):
And the other thing about that is you're also doing
the stuff here on the little field, so they trust.
Speaker 7 (20:20):
You when you get to the big stadium.
Speaker 4 (20:21):
That's right, that you actually get reps so that you
can't audition for thirty one other teams as well. If
you if you know that you're not if you think
you're not going to make the team, you still want
to put your best foot forward and put trust down
here so they'll call your number in there. Quote unquote
un pointing all the way to Acrocure Stadium from Saint
manesturing over his shoulder. Yeah, and I'm not sure the direction,
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but somewhere over.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
I think you're pretty good. Yeah, I think you're pretty
good to that direction. Okay, that's good, that's good. I
was pointing over the left shoulder.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yeah, about ten degree angle, maybe ten to maybe fifteen
degree angle. Yeah, is in that direction about an hour
and ten minutes.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
For all I know that that ten to fifteen degree angle,
could wind up in Wheeling, West Virginia or I'm not sure,
but not.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
The worst place if you end up down at Wheeling.
The answer some nice casinos and restaurants.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
Oh anyways, Okay, so we have plenty more to talk about.
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Speaker 3 (22:02):
And Welcome back to Saint Vincent College and Latroaux. Beautiful
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You're inside the Locker Room if King and Stark's presented
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audio Network, Max. I wanted to get to something that
I mentioned to you yesterday the day before. We were
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talking about the offensive line, and I posited to you
that to me, most fans that I've talked to, you know,
I think everybody feels like the defense is going to
be really good. And then you know, probably the one discussion,
the one question that comes to mind, well there's two.
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Probably one is hey, are they gonna go out and
get another receiver after they traded Pickens? But the other is, hey,
is that offensive line gonna hold up? That's the outside
perception I get from fans is that that might be
sort of the number one concern of the team. As
I look at this app chart, I wonder about those concerns,
you know, I wonder if so, you know, And I
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think a lot of it comes because it's nice to
see Isaac Ciamo all though out here today getting back
in the veteran left guard. But I hope that's playful pushing. Oh,
I think it's playful pushing. Okay, good, Yeah, no, we
see exactly.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
There's a couple of times where we thought it was playful,
and all of a sudden, the face mask is gripped
and the twist hals it. The next thing you know,
everybody's jumping in, you know, but this is kind of
I think the playful part of having those moments, because
you also have to have fun here. Right there's a
lot of testosterone down there on the field just permeating
in the atmosphere. So you know, sometimes you don't know
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if a guy is actually trying to challenge or a
guy's just trying to actually, you know, have a little
gesturing with his teammates.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
But Lineman traditionally not that early.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
We don't.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
We don't normally get it's usually after the playoff, a
guy's falling down her trip's a guy, or you hit
the ball, Harry a little bit too hard to the
quarterback like we saw with Justin Fields and e Rob
last year. Those are the moments where it will get tested.
You know, we're very slow to anger, but we don't
necessarily cool off very cock's that's the problem, you know,
Like the John Newis Smith and jan Thorn Hill thig
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like we would have that moment, but it would it
would be a knockdown dragged down slugfest and it would
take probably the whole entire team bench clearing type of
action to stop it if they were if a lineman
really gets mad.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, I got youa So I did want to ask
you about that. You know, I was thinking about that
because that really to me, that's the perception I get
from fans, the concern is. And by the way, we're
seeing Dylan Cook lining up with left tackle. You know,
there's one of those patented Aaron Rodgers look right, throw
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left screen to Jalen Warren, which was interesting. And by
the way, Jalen Ramsey he hustles down field and tries
to knock the ball out of every when he's on
the field. Every he runs down hand, you know, so
a lot of times the back will try to We'll
try to take at the distance, you know, just because
you know, the coaches will say, hey, we want you
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to get used to getting to the end zone, to
run through the drill, and and a lot of times
just see your running back just running by himself. If
Jalen Ramsey's out in the field, the running back's not
running by himself. No, he's gonna chase him out. And
he got that dark shadow behind him and try to
knock that ball out. I love that.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, yeah, but once again repping for game like situations, right,
that's right, because a running back will break free at
some point, right, and you don't want to just stop
and expect the drill to be over. No, it's the
extra hustle, it's the extra added thought process.
Speaker 7 (25:40):
In there to make sure that a guy gets better.
See look, they're already better already.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
I mean, you know, Deshaun Elliott knocked John Osmith down
and he helped him back up.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
Yeah, that's pretty well. Throw the ball too.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, it was not complete, so Deshaun Elliott had really
tight coverage on that one. But as those type of
moments like yes, you know him and wan Thorne Hill
are working back at that second already together. But at
the same time, we're still teammates at the end of
the day, still Steelers on Steelers. Now, there is competition,
right because you're still trying to prove that you deserve
to be on this team. But they doesn't let it
get in the way of work, right, It doesn't let
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you get in the way of doing your technique and
doing your job. So that's one of the things where
we could see. Okay, things are starting to clear up already.
Peyton Wilson jumped off sides. There a great hard count
by Aaron, and of course Aaron throws it to DK
because it's a free play, Like you gotta wrap those
things as well. Yep, and nobody better on a free
play at the quarterback position then won, mister Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
And by the way, Harmon got in there quickly on
that play too. I'm not sure there would have been
room to actually throw that ball, but it was off side.
Speaker 4 (26:41):
You free play, but you got to go through the motions, right,
You got to go through those type of situations. But
Aaron does have a really good hard count.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, oh for sure. Yeah he's got every he's got
every trick in the bag. Yeah, every throw in the bag,
every trick in the bag. So what I was gonna
say about the offensive lineman, and I look, I get it.
I get fan saying, well, Towna didn't start last year,
so now you have a basically a rookie starting at
right tackle. And now you've moved Broderick Jones, you know
who Faltano had beaten out last year. A nice throwing
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completion to Ben scronic, slow to get up with thornhill
and coverage. Really good throw by Mason Rudolph there on
a crossing pattern. But uh, you know, so I understand
those concerns, right, I get that. Yeah, and then I think,
but I think when I look at the depth. You know,
Calvin Anderson's a guy, uh at tackle who started games
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in the NFL, and you gave a two year contract
to you expect him to be a backup. Dylan Cook
is a guy who's been with the with the with
the team, and so he he understands he's another tackle.
Max Sharping at guard, he started games in the NFL.
Spencer Anderson, who's probably the next guy up at multiple positions,
he started games in the NFL. Ryan McCollum at center,
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He started games in the NFL. You know, in a
in a league in which it is very very difficult
to find offensive lineman. I I think that's pretty good depth. No,
it is good depth.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
Now here's the question, and this is where the concern
comes in, right from the fans, is that they haven't
done it together.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
That's right. It's been mix and match.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It's been moments here, spot duty there, and it hasn't
been a wholesale This is my day one starting group
and they go to week eighteen. That's where the concern is.
But I say this, you need experience. At some point,
every great line had to start somewhere, and so that's
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what we're seeing that somewhere be here that you're gonna
see this. And right now we don't even have the
full starting group that we have on paper starting together
right because the left side is still you know, still
guys waiting to come back from injury, guys who've been
nicked up, Projerct Jones and Isaac c Amalu, and they
got to work back into game shape. But like you said,
Spencer Anderson has some starts here, Dylan Cook is a
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very good offensive lineman. And Calvin Anderson, who's been here
in the last couple of days. Now, they're kind of
rotating him because I think they want to get Calvin
some experience at other places, you know, work into that
fold and show, hey, you know, I've been in this
league for a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
I've seen some things and I know how to do it.
Speaker 4 (29:13):
So trying to just put it all together and figure
out how it's going to because injuries will strike. So
it's not a matter of if we saw last year,
especially like Troy Fatanu right that week three in Denver
came in and was playing and then all of a
sudden and Project had to go back in because he
got injured. So you know, there are those moments where
you've got to you've got to have eight offensive linemen.
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Think if you're starting five, but you need eight, right,
are capable and ready to go, And this is the
moment to build those opportunities like Spencer ANDSTS is getting
all the first team left guard reps, but we know
he can snap at center, but we know he can
jump out to tackle.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
And do other things.
Speaker 4 (29:48):
And you've got to build your base so that you
can start working on that team chemistry. I mean, I
think about our lines when I played, you know, I was,
I was a backup year one another. There we go,
another fight and this is more lineman on lineman actually
looks like right here, Nope, YEPA was in there. Zach
Fraser was locked up with it looked like I don't
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know who that oh, Cole Holcomb.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
And there's more. There's still more going talking.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
And yeah, and DK had his helmet off and he
and he had to pull him back as well, yet
temperatures are rising again.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
In there. John, well, John was always gonna be in there.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
I think that's something we've learned over the last like
twenty five minutes.
Speaker 3 (30:33):
If there's a mix of johnno wants to be right
in the middle of all of it and talking smack.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
But I think that was more DK and Chuck Clark,
and then you saw Zach Fraser and Cole Holcomb getting
into it as well.
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Had to be separated.
Speaker 4 (30:45):
But yeah, but getting back to this line line group,
and that's why I want to see also if there
is a mix up, I want to see all five
linemen in there, like because that was a trademark of
our squad, Like when we talked about it, like we
might not have been the best at all times, we
mightn't have been number one or anything like that, but
I knew number one all got my back team was
our offensive line, and we were gonna run down field
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and we were going to chase the action. We didn't
shy away from it. I mean, I'm up here with
with with Willie Cologne, you know, effectually call him my
little brother. But you know, see there we go see
a little extra there by Roman Wilson and Brandon Eckles. Yeah,
I couldn't see. The numbers are bunched up.
Speaker 3 (31:25):
Yeah. I like to see the fact that Roman Wilson
was twenty five yards downfield and still blocking right, still
still into his defender and blocking, and you know, uh so,
good for him. Yeah, good for him.
Speaker 4 (31:39):
But this is all team building, This is all chemistry,
and this is all building trust within your unit that hey,
this guy has my back if anything goes down, I
know he's got my back. And the wide receivers have
to have that with their unit. Running backs have to
have it with them. But offensive line, we are we
are the we are the big Glove. We are the
all State, right, you know when you see the signs
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of the Inze with hands and the heart, like, that's
what we are. We're the hands around the heart and
we're around the heart of this team. We've got to
be involved and we have to make sure. So it
was funny as I was talking about that, like me
and Willie, like we had we had understanding, like one
if one.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Fights, we all fight.
Speaker 7 (32:14):
And I'm not gonna leave my brother hanging out.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
I'm not gonna let him be surrounded by four or
five other shirts is what we call it right right,
and we we we have to be a unit because
once again, offensive line five fingers have to become a
fist right and you and you can't. You can't win
if you got one appendage sticking out or one falange
quote unquote sticking out, you're gonna it's gonna break. You
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have to be tight and solid. So I love seeing
those guys work together. And then one of the things
that Willy Coloone brought up in one of the offensive
line meetings when we were when we were with them,
was hey, get in game shape, you know, get ready
for the for the action. So what you'll see is
if you come out to practice when units are out,
they go and they run a half gasser afterwards, like
run across the width of the field and back. That's
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to get you ready for or the season because these
segments that we have that's not game situations.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Right.
Speaker 4 (33:05):
You know, a drive is not from the same spot.
Line up, everything's cool, get the play call in. No,
it's a constant moving convoy downfield and you have to
have the breath and the endurance to deal with that.
Because offensive line we don't sub every other position except
for quarterback subs. So we have to be in there
just as much as our quarterback has to be in there,
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and we've got to be ready to go, and we're
adaptable for any situation, run, pass, screen, whatever. So build
that endurance up. And you know, Willie said that said
as much in the meeting, and those guys took it
to heart. They're now doing those type of things because
you've got to run. You've got to figure it out
because you're not gonna get You can't tap your helmet
like Anthony Richardson for the Colts and get out of
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a play like the only way you get out is
because you're injured. And if you're injured and you're hurt,
you have to make that designation too.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yah. That's right. You know it's interesting too to me
watching this. And you know, one of the things that
I learned from many moons ago playing high school but
then playing small college football, was it there's a lot
of times where I thought, as a fan, I knew
what was going on. When I realized I don't always
know what's going on. I thought I knew it was
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going on, and there was a play we just had
here A couple of plays ago a short pass over
the middle to Keishawn Williams and Galbreath was in the
left slot just actually more of an h back position,
and a defender came up late to show Blitz and
Glbrith released right instead of you know, he would be
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the outside guy to picked that up. And it was
a short pass over the middle, and the quarterback I
think it was will Hoard, had plenty of time to
throw a short pass in a completion. I was expecting
Gaalbreth to step out and interrupt that pass rusher and
I don't know whether he didn't see him or he
wasn't supposed to because it was such a quick pattern.
So that's one of those things where just another example,
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another manifestation of the fact that we he don't always
know as fans or even Max, you know, people that
have really observed the game closely what a particular call
was and if something goes awry, who was to play
you know what's see, Oh wow, that the cornerback blew
that coverage. I have no idea if the cornerback blew
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that coverage or there was help over the top and
the guy didn't hear the audible call or was supposed
to roll from cover two into cover three and didn't
do it. I have no idea. I don't know what
was called.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
Yeah, well, I think that's the beauty of it, right,
because you know, we are in a reactionary sport. We
don't get the view of what's the play call, what
was the defensive call. Okay, let's look at the structure. Okay,
this guy wasn't lined up here. But you also realize
out here guys make mistakes, right. But also sometimes a
quarterback wants that as is hot. Right, he's that because
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he knows that replaces there. So now if he blitzes,
I know what's open and that's why I can throw
that short pass. So don't interrupt his pass, rus because
I don't need him jumping in the lane if you
knock them off.
Speaker 7 (36:00):
So sometimes the quarterback wants those hots.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They invite those type of hots.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
And you know for Aaron or even Will or Mason
that you know, offensive line will try. We like to
protect everything, right, We don't want to leave any gaps,
you know, especially in the interior of everything. But sometimes
the quarterback's like, you know what, I want that because
that's gonna clear my checkdown route. But that's gonna clear
my shallow crosser. I know where to throw it. So
you kind of let some things be, but you you
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want to try and figure it out. And they're figuring
it out as well in practices every day. You know,
when you watch it, you're like, gosh, why is this
alignment here? And then you realize. You know, there was
one time in seven shots, I was watching it and
I was like, why are they in the six to
two defense versus eleven personnel? Oh, somebody messed up on
the defensive side, didn't call it in the wrong personnel group,
and you got to play.
Speaker 3 (36:44):
Sometimes it happens that way.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
You gotta make do with it, and maybe you won't
run that exact play that's called, but you got to
see it because there are going to be those moments
where defenses are trying to play cat and mouse with you,
and you got to be able to adapt to whatever
those situations are, and vice versa. So it's good to
see those situations here in this controlled environment where you
can kind of rep it, talk about it, watch the film,
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and get better as a group.
Speaker 3 (37:08):
I remember, in an uncontrolled environment many moons ago, we
had we had a Division two, Division three, NAI first
team All American tight end. His name was Paul Matthews,
terrific player. And he was lined up and we had
the occasional hot read right like you could throw it
to the guy, and and we had a we had
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receivers split out to each oid, and there was nobody
in the middle of the field. And I'm like, oh, Paul,
Paul had had a choice pattern. I'm like, I have
to do stand up and pop it to him, and
he's gonna run for a touchdown, right, He's gonna run
ADARs for touchdown. So I take one step back, which
of course now has completely screwed up the rhythm and
the play to the pop pass. And just as I
do that and look at him, I realize he's not
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gonna release because he's covered, right, he has to stay
in and block. So so I mean, and I say
that just because I think those things have to happen here, right,
They have to happen here. Those mistakes have to happen here.
They can't happen. But but but when you say they
can't happen, they still will happen. Yes, inevitably, it still
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will happen. And we don't know the point that we
don't know necessarily who's.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
To play exactly, and you and you won't find it
out un till the tail of the tape comes out
right at the end of the day. Hindsight's twenty twenty
when you get to sit back and watch the film
and understand what the schematics are that you find out
what the play structure is and you're like.
Speaker 3 (38:27):
Oh, that's why he didn't do it.
Speaker 4 (38:28):
But you can't go back and say, hey, can I
get the time machine and go back to you know
that right when we call that play so I can
explain it better.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
Right, No, you don't get that. And that's the beauty
of football.
Speaker 4 (38:37):
It's a live action sport. It's a sport that has
human error involved in it, right, and it's so much
going on, and if you don't pass along the message,
a guy doesn't know, and that can screw up the
entire play, you know, for an offense or a defense,
because if you get out of a gap and you're
expecting somebody to cover that gap and they don't, well,
if you're running a ball that running.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Back, id's that gap.
Speaker 4 (38:59):
You could be the difference between a tackle for loss
or a twenty yard game In some of those statues.
Speaker 3 (39:03):
It is a high risk, high reward type. Just real quick,
I want to ask you this, did you ever so
so again? Things things are happening fast. You know, teams
are trying to they're trying to disguise what they're doing.
I think a lot of the reason that veteran quarterbacks
will let the play clock go down is that, inevitably,
remember Ton showing me film, Inevitably somebody will have a tell.
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Some defensive back will get antsy and start backpedaling into
his position before the snap, and then a Peyton Manning
or an Aaron Rodgers says, gotcha, I know exactly what you're
gonna do now, I know exactly who's going to be open.
Did you ever have a late switch on a play
that comes to mind where you're like, uh, oh, we're
in big trouble, but then the play still worked anyway.
Oh yeah, No, We've had a lot of those. Geez.
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I mean, well, talent helps, yeah exactly.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
But I would say this, I would say, you know,
we've gotten the situations. I mean multiple times when we're
in like a two minute drill or Ben's running Ben's
running a no huddle and we get out there. We
had the best laid plans, right, you know, like, man,
we're on the left hash We're gonna run this and
it's gonna be great because the short side of the field,
they can't overload, overload this side.
Speaker 3 (40:13):
So we had a weak side play. It was called
blunt back in the day. It was a week.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
It was a weak side inside zone and so on
on the open side at left tackle right, I don't
have a tight end, so it's man blocking for the
for the tackle and the guard.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
So we're out. We got our two guys.
Speaker 4 (40:30):
The backside combo block works to the front side backer,
and then you just have a scoop with the tight
end that works to the backside backer. Because usually it's
a four two nickel structure. Well, overhang comes in that
moment interception right there, a little little hot potato interception.
Killer brew gets he's he's a second guy to get it.
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You know, it was it was it was a good
it was a good effort.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I think it was. I'm trying to see who that
was that I went in for it. It looked like it.
Speaker 4 (40:59):
Was h's a shallow crosser to the inside, and.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
I think, who wait a second, I can't tell.
Speaker 5 (41:10):
Think it might have been Chuck Clark who got a finger.
Speaker 3 (41:13):
Chuck bounced it.
Speaker 5 (41:14):
I've given him some some props in the huddle now.
Speaker 4 (41:16):
So yeah, no, Chuck popped it up and then Killer
Brew caught it. But I was trying to see the
intended receiver. That's what I was trying to figure out.
Who was it intended for? Threw it in traffic on
the shallow cross, and I can't remember who it was.
Speaker 3 (41:28):
Sixteen Robert Woods. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 7 (41:32):
I'm still getting used to the new numbers.
Speaker 4 (41:34):
So Robert Woods went in, tried to get it popped
up by Chuck Clark and Miles Killer Brew caught it
and took it in for the score. But back to
my original point, we're running blunt and you never expect
a safety to come down into the box because that
could blow the play up, right, because you're overloaded to
the front side and inevitably strong safety comes walking up
in the box. Now we're screwed, but we're too late
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in the count to change it to go to the
other side. Is when one side's overloaded, that means the
other side's light, so you usually want to switch it
to the other side. But we were too late to
get to pass it off and get the playoff in time,
so we had to stick with the blunt. We're like,
this is gonna get blown up. Okay, so you know
I'm trying to get wide, but I know this, this
is the safety's down in the box. That defensive end's
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gonna slant to the inside, right right. So I take
my step, he goes to the inside, and I just
create a wall. Well, the safety overshoots it coming from
his blitzing angle and we're able to get it off
to the inside. Rashard ends up cutting it like right
off my butt. Normally he's supposed to stretch a little
bit wider and then cut back to the inside. He
just keeps it right off my butt because he sees
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the walls made and we get a seven yard game.
So those are the type of moments where you're like, Okay,
it sucks. Is not what it's supposed to be like structurally,
the defense is not supposed to do this right right,
But the defense does it.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
And we end up still having success. So the average
fan is not going to look at home and say, boy,
they got lucky on that play. Exactly. Who's at fault?
Just again, I'm not trying to get on an electro mode,
and just just some of the nuances of what you
think happened as a fan and what and what did
happen and what didn't happen are sometimes different than the
reality it is.
Speaker 4 (43:13):
And that's the nature of football because everybody's trying to
outsmart the other. And that's what the chess match is.
That is football. So you you regale in the fact
when it does work out. It's like I love when
a plant comes together, right, you know, you're Murdoch on
the A team, But at the same time you know
you're like, You're like, man.
Speaker 3 (43:29):
Why did they do this?
Speaker 7 (43:30):
And it's like, well, it wasn't supposed to be this way.
Speaker 3 (43:32):
You can't cry over spilt milk.
Speaker 4 (43:33):
You get back and get back into the game and
play the next play and hopefully you make up the
dishes that you lost on the first one by the
next one.
Speaker 3 (43:40):
Good stuff. That's Max Starks. I'm Rob King. You're listening
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Speaker 3 (44:27):
And we welcome you back inside the locker room with
the arbiter that starts. It sounds vaguely like a guy
who might be chopping down trees and arbiter, yeah, identifying trees.
Speaker 7 (44:42):
Yeah, I mean arbiter arborist.
Speaker 3 (44:46):
Quite the same thing.
Speaker 4 (44:48):
Or, as I like to say, I'm the why guy.
Why explain why something? Uh?
Speaker 3 (44:53):
Very nice?
Speaker 4 (44:54):
Yeah, you get you get to ask the question and
set up the scene for me. Then I explained why right,
why they do it?
Speaker 3 (45:01):
So? Uh again, we only had you for an abbreviated
period of time. You're you were pleased with the physical
uh nature of yesterday's practice, yes right, yeah, which is
seemed to have spilled over today some of the combativeness
spilding you know, like like leftovers often do right, and
(45:22):
and we like combativeness as long as it's.
Speaker 4 (45:26):
Capped within a certain time, contained, contained, contained, as long
as it's contained, and it's only restricted to the field.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
Right.
Speaker 4 (45:33):
You know, once you walk up the hill, once you
head back to that locker room, all that emotion needs
to be left outside, right because inside that building, in
the locker room, that's where the bonding happens.
Speaker 3 (45:44):
Right. We were watching some special dream Deem special teams
drills taking place. If you were to pick a couple
of winners where there are a couple of winners from
yesterday's practice for Youmax.
Speaker 4 (45:55):
Yeah, Joey Porter, Junior, Mark Robinson. I think on the
defense were the very easy choices. Connor Hayward was a
winner yesterday. He was impressive in the backend backers, very
impressive and made some great catches on the team periods
as well. Uh Troy Fatanu was a winner there one
on ones and also really good to hear moving moving
some guys and the team run stuff. Still, you know,
(46:17):
still work in progress. I'm not gonna sit there and
say that it was the best right tackle. You know,
second year performs I've ever seen, But no I felt
like he was a winner, yes, a very visible winner yesterday.
Speaker 3 (46:27):
He's kind of a rookie and a half.
Speaker 7 (46:29):
Yeah, that should have wrought.
Speaker 3 (46:30):
Plus I talked to him about that, and OTA is
about like the fact that you know, you've got some
time under your belt without having the season under your belt,
so at least there's some comfortability. And you know, I
think when you're a rookie, probably your head spinning a
little bit. Right. You got meetings, and you got playbooks,
and the playbooks bigger than your college playbook, and and
now you got to do this part of practice in
that and you got to you know, where do I go?
(46:51):
And where's the mess hall and where all these things?
At least that part of it, that newness is off,
not the newness of playing in the NFL. That's why
I kind of like it's a Oh, he's kind of
a rookie and a half. He's not really a second
year guy. But he's not really a rookie.
Speaker 7 (47:06):
Yeah, exactly, he's in he's in rookie limbo.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
He's he's quasi rook quasi rook you know. And and
that's the thing that I think he knows how to
do it. He's been through training camp, He's been through
all of this phase of it. He's gone through the preseason,
He's made it to the beginning of the season. He
just hasn't made it to the finish line this season yet.
So that's where he kind of he has some experience.
It's almost like me when I watch a YouTube video
(47:31):
on how to like replace a light, Like I, I
now know enough to electrocute myself, you know what I'm saying,
Like I have that much working knowledge of electricity and
wires that I could. I could, I could potentially harm
myself very badly. I don't think I could kill myself,
but I could harm myself very badly. Yeah, I will
not probably. I grew up in a house full of electricians,
(47:52):
so I'm good there. But once again, it's been a
while since I've done it. So I think that's where
he falls in. He's good enough to know what to
do and how to do it, but for the length
of time that's necessary, that's where he kind of lacks
the experience, right.
Speaker 3 (48:06):
And looking forward to him getting that experience this year,
Looking forward to many more locker rooms to come, including
one tomorrow. Even though the team will be doing Friday
Night Lights. We will be coming to you at ten
am tomorrow for Max Starks and for Wes Uler doing
some filling in for c.
Speaker 4 (48:24):
He's our Vaughn. He's our major league Vaughn. Like he
comes in for the relief duty and.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
He wild strength, wild thing. Wes, Yeah, wild thing. I'm
Rob King. That was a pre ANDVI. I didn't want
to say that sounded kind of like out of nowhere,
but I had introduced everybody else, right. Bob Labriol is
coming up next with Tom Offerman. This is the locker
Room with King and Starks, presented by your neighborhood Ford
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