September 17, 2025 • 47 mins
Jim Wexell joins the show as always as he chats with Max and Wes.
See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
This is in the locker Room with King and Starks
on Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your neighborhood Forward Store.
The F one fifty is the official truck of the
Pittsburgh Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct
from the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop
dot Steelers dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Anybody, Julie, Hey, guess what day it is?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Come on, I know you can hear me. Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
What day is it? Mike? Listen, guess what today is?
That's Humpday, all right?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You know when you hear Mike the camel, it is
a hump Day Wednesday. But most importantly, it is the
power hour. And when you combine those two mighty forces together.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, he is not Captain Planet.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
He is Jim Wexel, editor in chief of Steel City Insider,
also famed author.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
As well. As I look in my office.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Right now, I have three different Jim Wexel books on
my shelf, and and I am proud to say that
I have one on the desk right now, and it's
an advanced copy. But the if these walls could talk
(01:29):
and it is the memoir of Craig Wolfley. And I
have to tell you, Jim, you what you know, Wolf
jumps off the page like this is Wolf at his finest.
You can hear his voice in every word on this.
And I know we've talked about the process of it all,
(01:50):
but man, it brings a tear to your eye. But
it also brings a big smile and a grin and
the laughs because Wolf, you know, he has his own
special way of painting a picture. And you know, you
think most people, hey, you're gonna get you know, van Go,
or you're gonna get rim Brandt or Monet.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, he's like Jackson Pollock. You know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
It is just it is beautiful to read, and you know,
faith in the kids before the game on Sunday when
we had the moment on the silence for Wolf, we
went over to the suite and we're able to give
them a big old hug and just tell him we
love him. And she presented Rob and I with with
copies of the book, and man, it's an amazing book. Man,
(02:34):
it is an amazing book. So I have to give
my tip of the cap to you Wex for being
the conductor of that orchestra and getting things done.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It is. It is truly a phenomenal read.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
MaTx. You can't imagine how how happy that makes me
to hear you say that. You know, when you're when
you're involved in the book and you reread it and
pour through it so many times, you don't really know
what if it's a good or not. I mean, you
don't know, just as a guy who's now done seven
(03:09):
of these and then two months later when you give
it a break and then you read it. Oh yeah,
So I haven't done that yet with the Wolfly book.
But I'm so glad that you you said his voice
jumps off the page because in my intro, if you
read my intro or the last words were all I
(03:30):
want to do is get out of the way, and
apparently I did.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, the tip of the cap to you,
tip of the cap.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You know, thank you. I really was thinking about wolf
these last couple of days because I have to write
after a bad loss, and I'm one of the more
optimistic guys writers. I think I was taught by the
great Marino Perecenzo uh the former Post Cazette. I'm pretty
(04:04):
sure it's post Casette sort of press. But he was
a teacher of mine at PITT and he drove home
the point that spirit is the most important part of
sports writing. So you have to you have to use
your uh critical analysis. You have to uh, you know,
(04:25):
criticize when necessary. And this was a necessary week for criticism.
And I have other writers at my site and I
edit it done, and uh, they have not been taught
about spirit, and it's not It's a delicate thing in
sports writing. If you're being critical and have spirit, it's
not that easy. So uh, they were being they were
(04:48):
hammering the Steelers and just critical, and the fans were
eating it up and they love it. I tweeted one
other writer and you know, the feedback for his article immense.
They love when you really hammer the team after a loss.
And I that's not me really, So I'm thinking, boy,
(05:11):
I want to show some spirit. And because there are
a lot of readers out there that don't believe a
loss is the end of the world. And they also
don't believe that you're as bad as you look after
a loss, and that you're not as good as you
look after the men. We all know that to be true.
And I just I missed Wolf so much because he
was that guy that full bore optimism and sometimes he
(05:38):
would be over the top with optimism. When it called
for more criticism, he could do it, but sometimes it
was like a Wolf just works for the team's but
it was still needed because it was so good and
it revitalized your soul and we needed that. And so
I'm glad that you said what you said about the book,
(06:00):
and it also has left me a feeling that I
need more optimism in my work too, because leaving people
with a rejuvenated soul is more important than pointing out
who deserves to be cut, fired and maybe execution. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Max,
(06:25):
I did want to point out that this is a
Wes and Wex Wednesday and you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Wex Wex I I I love, you know, getting to
getting to catch up with you as always, and just
to kind of piggyback off of that, like, I want
the difference in processes for you because obviously, you know,
writing a writing a story from the game on Sunday
or you know, writing a story about Mike Tomlin's Tuesday
(06:54):
Press conferences is much different than writing a you know,
a storytelling book much different than you know, offering the
Pala Malu book that you've done, and all these different things.
You know, when when there's a game and there's a reaction,
there's a timeline there, there's a set process. The game's over,
you hear from the coach, you hear from the players.
(07:15):
You write your story, you file your story. When though
in something that is you know, is more evergreen and
and something that doesn't necessarily have a timeline or newsworthiness
like some of the books that you've written, is it
all just a feel like when do you know how
much time do you need to write? And then step
away from it and then go back to it. When
(07:37):
do you know that it's done? When is that time
where okay, I've tweaked this enough, I've got Because that's
always my kind of biggest challenge with things is when
it's right in front of your face, sometimes it's hard
to see the whole forest. You know, what's that process
for you?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of like taking some.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Time going back, editing it, changing things, and then and
then finally feeling like it's done and ready in the
complete you know, the complete story and book that you
want it to be.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, I like to just stow stories. I like to
let it marinade overnight and get im I'm really early
in the morning. Guy and I have taken on a
part time job of driving a bus in West Morning
County for the elderly and handicapped, and that usually starts
(08:24):
like seven, So I find myself getting up at like
three thirty. And I love that time when you can
get up. I love that time, and I go through
my routine. I exercise my mind and my soul and
my body, and then I'm ready to write. And that
(08:44):
twelve hours that I give it really puts me in perspective. Now,
after the game, I did not have twelve hours. I
wanted to write, and I was pretty harsh, not overly harsh,
but I was disappointed in the lineman they've been drafting.
(09:05):
They've now three years, they've been spent rebuilding the lines,
and I was just unimpressed for a second week in
a row. So that was my line of attack or approach.
I criticize these recent spate of linemen being drafted. Now,
(09:28):
if you can keep yourself together and not throw a
tantrum like maybe I used to when I was younger,
it can stand up to a rewatch of the film
of the tape like I did this morning, and you know,
I'm like, hey, you know, follow Tanu wasn't that bad
and it is just his second game, and he was
(09:50):
against Leonard Williams. And actually I was watching him so
much I didn't have to worry about Broaderick and hey,
that's improvement. Now I watched broader a little bit. I said,
there's some improvement there, and a little disappointed in kean
U Betten again not being able to hold up the point.
No I don't. I don't think he's a bad player.
(10:14):
I just don't think he's a nose yet. And but
it wasn't that bad on rewatch and why why a
Black showed showed me some stuff. He continues to ascend,
So there's there's some ascension going on that I wasn't
really paying attention to. So I was a little revitalized
and then I could write again. And so sometimes it's
(10:39):
you just write another story when you pull yourself together,
if that's what you're askey. And so today after rewatch,
I was a little more optimistic. It wasn't as bad
as I thought.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, I mean I've poured through it, wax. I mean
I got on the plane right after the game that
evening to head back home and obviously be in position
for the show this week, and I WoT I broke
down the film on the flight back, and yeah, it
was just, you know, it was frustrating on first glance,
(11:18):
just because you saw just like the little things and
it's really that was a difference in the game where
little things. It wasn't these gigantic problems, Like it wasn't
that we were.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Out skilled in the.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Game, but the craftiness and us falling into some of
those things. We have the athletes out there that can
do it. It was just they had, you know, like
anything else, right, Like when you look at a pot
roast and a crock pot, you know it when it
starts to brown, You're like, man, that looks good. I
feel like I could take No, you can't take the
(11:53):
lid off. It said six hours.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let it said the six hours.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
You can't take it out at two and a half,
you know, And and that's what you fought, the urge.
And that's why I feel like you fight the urge
on when you're looking at the game right as you
rip the band aid off, right and you just look
at this nasty cut and it's like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Just just wait, just wait.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And so I watched it a second time and I'm
just like, man, it's just a little thing here, a
little thing there, two feet to the left, and this
play breaks wide open.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, if a.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Hand is moved six inches inside the guy doesn't get
his hand in the face and force Aaron up in
the pocket or Patrick is a difference between Patrick Queen
blocking the touchdown from aj Bonner on that seam curl
versus him catching it and making a touchdown. If Caleb Johnson,
you know, is a rookie realizes the ball hit in
bounds and just go cover it in that moment, like
(12:49):
there's like these small little things. It's not a catastrophic
type of deal that we kind of think of it,
right and and so you're right, I mean, but it
takes perspective, and like you said, it's a depth touch
because this team still has fifteen games left to play.
It's like, it's not like, ah, this this is week
seventeen and there's a guy to have it game for
(13:11):
the playoffs. And I kind of put this in perspective
and let me know your thoughts on this Wax, but
I said this game was the one off.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This was Week seven.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This is the seventeenth game added because there's no common opponent,
it's not in conference, and it matters very little in
the grand scheme as far as how this is going
to hurt us later in the year. I'm glad it
came early where we're still trying to figure ourselves out
and we're dealing with it rash of injuries. I'd rather
it happened here than later in the year, So that's
(13:44):
kind of my thought.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, well, you know, there was some optimism from Tomlin
and his press conference that people are are angry about
on talk shows that I've heard, but it's necessary for
him to say things like, you know, these these injuries
could prove beneficial in the long term, meaning why a
Black got a lot of reps? Logan Lee got his reps? Now,
(14:08):
why a Black now that he got more reps because
he's deserving, He's definitely an upward trend trajectory, and yet
these extra reps are definitely helping a guy who could
help you at the end of the year win big games.
Logan Lee, I don't know, because he's just he's just
getting his first reps, he looked strong enough. There are
(14:31):
things that he might be able to do. We're just
starting to look at him. Peyton Wilson. You know, we
want to crucify him to a degree because of all
the run game issues, But there are some so many
things he did so well. And you know the plays
you're talking about that went didn't go their way by inches.
(14:55):
A lot of times those inches are determined by the
measure of your resolve between being oh and one and
being one and oh. You know, Seattle was the one
playing with their hair off fires, you know, Pittsburgh at
one and oh. It's human nature sometimes to think you
might be all that. There's a lot of unhappy optimism
(15:17):
in town over the offense and so that you know,
there's a bit of cool you take into a game
and you play in an eighty five degree heat. Well, Seattle,
they're playing at ten in the morning, had to get
up early off a loss. They're not going to care
about any of that stuff. All they need to do
is dig down deep in the fourth quarter and get
that extra inch to make that extra play. So I
(15:40):
look for the Steelers to have that resolve over the
Patriots this week because the town is going to be
unforgiven this week on and you know they're going to
get on their plane and there aren't gonna be many smiles,
and they're gonna take that resolve to New England where
they've had you know, it's been a nightmare of three
decades for that, and that'll all play into it. I
(16:03):
look for them to have the edge this week in
that regard, so they will be making those key different
plays by inches next week.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Wex.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The Steelers have not won in New England since two
thousand and eight, and if they're going to do so,
certainly the offense having a better showing is going to
be part of it. I do think one of the
positives certainly deserves discussion was, you know, Jalen Warren continues
to prove that if you can get him the ball
(16:38):
in space, if you can get him the ball in
opportune situations, he can take an inch and turn it
into a mile. I guess, just WEX, the question now becomes,
how do they get Jalen Warre in the ball in
space more often?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Well, I think he has made steps all along the way.
I thought that he should have been recognized for these
steps earlier in his career. That's been a criticism of mine,
and now we're showing that he can. I think he
can carry a full load. I agree with not giving
(17:19):
him the ball on the first play, maybe two after
the sixty five yard play. That was a critical set
of downs there, and upon review, I'm not as angry
as I was. They're also proving Tenneth Gainwell is not
built for that kind of duty, so that will give
(17:40):
Jalen Moore, and Jalen's proving on third down that he's
a better pass blocker. That will give him more Each week.
He's showing the coaching staff that he has to play more.
So I don't know that his sixty five yard run
did anything other than reaffirm what we had seen two
years ago. Last year who was injury, but he's he's
(18:02):
back to that uh and with all the little things
he does, the coaches have no choice but to keep
him in the game and give him.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
A bigger road.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Caleb's not proving much yet. As for the criticism of
Caleb Johnson even being used as a kickoff returner, I
agreed with using him as a kickoff returner one thousand.
That's where a young back can get his touches and
get a feel for the game and grow into it.
(18:34):
It's unfortunate what happened. I approached Caleb after the mob
left him, and I'm grateful to see our Steelers. PR
staff didn't stop me. They usually when they say last question,
they don't like to see anybody else go up to
the guy one on one, and I did because I
wanted to tell him about Barry Foster. I asked him.
(18:55):
I said, Caleb, I mean, you know, for what. First
of all, Caleb deserves a lot of props, and the
PR staff also deserves a lot of props for getting him.
I don't know if they had or how much they
had to get him to do it. But he stood
right up with his uniform on, answered all the questions
(19:19):
until it became obvious that he's been asked all the questions,
and PR staff said, okay, that's the last question. Go on.
You know, leave the kid alone is what. Basically they
didn't have to say, but that's what their job is,
to leave this kid alone. He did everything required. He
was a man about it. He answered questions, he wasn't crying,
(19:39):
he wasn't pointing fingers, He accepted a blame and he
was only going to try to do better what he said.
So I walked up to him and they let me
and I said, Caleb, did you ever hear of Barry Foster?
He said, no, sir. I said, well, he was a
rookie running back who did the exact same thing you did,
(20:01):
and he was he was, you know, vilified in town.
And then a couple of years later he bounced back
and still his his rushing record still stands single season
Steelers rushing record. He set that. So he rebounded from that,
and he he didn't smile. There's nothing going to make
(20:24):
Cato Jonathan smile for a while. But he said, I
really appreciate you saying that. So it felt good to
tell him that little story. And so if he could
bounce back, great, But I agree with giving him the
touches to begin with, and I agree with benching him
(20:46):
because regardless of the gaff, he was not too very
productive returning kickoffs. So I believe the benching is in
order and he's going to have to find a way
to work his way back way.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Verry Foster did, Yeah, No, I mean that that that
that's tremendous, and wex once again, that's the depth of
touch that not a lot of writers have, and not
a lot of journalists who cover this league can provide
a solution to a problem, or at least provide a,
(21:22):
you know, a bright spot in a very cloudy moment
for a young man that's just started his career. Two
weeks into his career, you have that moment and still
understand that everybody's just trying to get to the why
and the how and the blame game involved with it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So, I mean, I truly appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I mean, that's that that that's a special gift wex
and I know he might not have said it, but
you know, and appreciate it as much. But he's gonna
think about that. He's probably gonna go do his research
and read about that. You provided that moment for him.
So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That was that was amazing that you shared that with us.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know, because I mean a lot of people don't.
Every Body wants negativity, right. Negativity creates clickbait. Negativity creates
the salacious headline that makes people want to engage further
and enrage further. And you were able to kind of
douse that flame, right. It could have been very easy
just to pile onto that kid.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Well, let me say that his taking it like a man,
for lack of a better term, his ability to stand
up an answer instead of going and hiding or whatever
a lot of people do, it inspired me to try
to save some of the pain because of how he
(22:43):
was acting. So I'm just responding to how he handled it.
And so I don't know that I would have been
able to handle it without crying like a little baby
and apologizing to my team and walking around with tears
in my eyes just begging to be cut put me
out of my misery. He didn't do that, you know,
(23:04):
So I I just reacted to his reaction.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, well, great reaction, indeed positivity and that I mean
the young man showed accountability and intestinal fortito, right, I mean,
those are those are the things that that we always.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Try and figure out.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And as a parent, you know, this is like how
do you manufacture those type of things so your kid
can handle those moments? But you never know when your
kid can handle those moments until they're in that moment.
And so I'm sure for his parents, you know, just
knowing what what that situation was, watching that live and
then wondering how did your child.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Respond to it?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, you know he was gonna be on every interview
on every TV talking about that because he made himself available.
So you know that that that's that that that's a
tip of the cap. And that's a young man that
was raised right and understands it. You gotta you got,
you gotta count for your stuff, good, bad and different.
You can't just be there, you know, when the winds
have But in all the great stuff happens. You know,
(24:02):
in the midst of defeat, if you feel like you
had a hand in that stand and be accounted for,
you know, you can't shirk away. You can't run away
from that responsibility. So it was good and you provided
the proper I think perspective for him. You gave him
perspective on this that it is not the end of
the world, only if you make it to be, because
other people have done the exact same thing. And that's
(24:23):
what I always say, nothing new under the sun. You know,
there is nothing new under the sun. I try and
preaches to my kids and all three of us are
dads on here, we understand it. Where kid does something
they think that they're so clever, it's like, no, what
you've done, has been done before, and I probably did it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's why I'm telling you it's not unique. And that's another.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Way of building that and trying to hopefully get them
to do the right thing in the long run. So well,
wex I know we've kept you long enough. We appreciate
the time as always on wex Wednesday. And of course,
you know, please go to Steel City inside or everyone
you get this and more pearls of wisdom from the
great Jim Wexel and his staff over there, and of
(25:08):
course Jim Wexsel dot com the author side of of
of Jim Wexel. The Palamola book is still once again
tremendous book as well. But like I said, this Craig
Wolfly book man just has me has me not it
up right now.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So I am. I am excited. I don't know when
when is when? When are we have we have we
found a date yet? A release date yet for that
book yet?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
No, I'm sorry, I hear too. I'm just surprised that
there there still says on the website coming out in
November when the book is done. I've got my box
of books, and so did say, and you know, so
and I'm not getting a return call. They've been a
shake up with the staff over there.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
So okay, well, well then I'm going to enjoy I'm
going to enjoy my early copy than.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well awesome, but that we appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Have a great rest of your week. We'll talk next week.
But all right, you're inside of the locker room with King.
Get starts. We'll be back here after these commercial breaks.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is in the locker room with kingon Starks on
Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your neighborhood Forward Store. The
F one fifty is the official truck of the Pittsburgh
Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct from
the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop dot
Steelers dot com.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
All right, back inside the locker room here, and you know,
we just had I thought, it's always a great time
having Wexson, but it's even more apropos to have him on,
you know, especially after a loss. And you know, he
kind of provides that perspective that you know everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Would look at looking for.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And I think, you know, you have to be encouraged,
you have to be ready to to deal with those
adversities because obstacles are going to happen to everybody. And
it's one of those things that I kind of look
at and I say, man, you know, if we're going
to sit here and go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And talk about, you know, where.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We can go, where we've gone, you know what has happened,
and you know there's a certain sobering effect that happens.
Wes yeah with that, And I think that's how I've
kind of approached, you know, approached those type of things.
And you know, I'm really I'm really happy about where
(27:49):
we're at, and I just want to kind of get
your thoughts about what what what where you are mentally
right now with this.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Max.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's a that's a good way to put it. I
you know, I guess I guess maybe like a crossroads
mentality because again, I think the the glass half empty,
the pessimistic, pessimistic look is. You know, it was a
lot of the same mistakes and issues as week one.
Just you know, week one, you were able to get.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Away with it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know, Boswell bails you out. You got the big
special team's momentum flipping play in week one. That was
the other way around in week two. So it's kind
of like, Okay, it's one hundred and twenty minutes of
a lot of the same mistakes that we've seen on
both sides of the ball. But to me, like the
then optimistic view of that becomes I think again, like
(28:41):
you don't need to go to the doctor and say
my wrist hurts, my forearm hurts, like you know, your
elbows broken. You know you know what the diagnosis is
and the symptoms that have resulted because of that. The
question now is how can a defense with a lot
of injuries and a lot of new pieces, look at
an offense with a new quarterback and a lot of
(29:03):
new pieces, how can they start to get this moving
in the right direction, Because you know, super bowls and
playoff appearances, they're not won and lost, they're not made
in September. But at the same time, you and I
know you don't want to dig yourself a hole. It's
a tough division, it's a tough conference. The schedule is
(29:23):
maybe not necessarily the same behemoth that it was down
the stretch last year, certainly, but five of the last
six teams you play this year, we're all in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know you've got Detroit down the stretch, You've got
Buffalo down the stretch, you've got Baltimore the last week
of the season. This was always going to be a
work in progress when you add all the pieces that
they did to the defense, when you add a quarterback
like Aaron Rodgers and someone like DK Metcalf and John
new Smith, it was always going to take some time
(29:54):
for them to figure out. But right now we're kind
of at that crossroads moment where I think you can
look a lot of these things optimistically. You can certainly
look at some things pessimistically as well too, but now
is where we have to start to see the improvement.
Like I remember this, you know, this is something that
Motes used to always say to me, Max, is that
(30:14):
like week to week, you better find a new mistake.
You know, the mistakes you're making in week one you
better not be making in week two. The mistakes you're
making in week two you better certainly not be making
by week six, seven, eight nine, and on down the line.
Like it's it's time to start finding a new mistake.
And and that's a tough ask on the road, you know,
against a Patriots team that's gonna be rejuvenized after a close,
(30:38):
dramatic victory against their division rival, the Miami Dolphins. It's
a it's a real kind of you know, these next
few opportunities are some real crossroad moments. You've got two games,
one on the road, the other I mean technically a
home game, right, but it's gonna be the furthest We
go all year to Dublin and then you have your
bye week. You got to keep your head above water.
(31:00):
You've got to start getting things moving in the right direction.
And then hopefully after that bye week against a favorable
matchup against the Browns as well too. There in week six,
you'll really start to hitch your stride. But I think
you you know, you're you're Robert Johnson, Max your bone,
thugs in harmony, You're you're standing at the car. You're
Eric Clapton. You're you're standing at the crossroads right now,
(31:20):
and and and starting to figure out who you are
and what's good and what needs work certainly as well too.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you want to make sure that you're not having
an identity crisis by week six, correct you that you
are fulling in yourself. You understand who you are, you
understand what your weaknesses are. You attack those weaknesses to
make sure that people don't exploit them, and that you know,
everybody looks around to a man, looks you right in
(31:48):
your eyes and tells you, hey, I'm gonna stand here
and be accounted for, and that I am here for
this journey. I'm here to fight. I am not going
to give up on you. I've got your back. Whatever
you want to do, I'm I'm a back your play.
And that's and that's the mindset that you want to
see from this team. You want to see them. You know,
(32:08):
we always call it circling the wagons, right, you know,
where everybody just kind of gets more narrowed in, gets
more focused, and you just focus on the task in hand.
You're looking for solutions. You want solution finders in there.
You don't want finger pointers in these in those moments.
And I think for this group, they don't know what
they don't know, and you know they have they have
(32:28):
to get to know each other. They have to get
to know that guy next to them more intimately. And
I think you start that process and it's more accelerated
than it could be because of the time you spend
a training camp, but it's still not all the way there.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's not that's not your best friend. Yet I've got
to get to that point.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You've got to get to that point where you know
that guy better than you know family. Essentially, you know
this these are these are your your work friends. But
the work is is family esque family that's friends that
are family though you know that's kind of the family.
(33:07):
You get to pick right, you know, call him family.
And so to get to that point, you've got to
spend time You've got you You've got to make the effort.
It can't be I clock out once the day is over.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I go to meetings, I go.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
To practice, do another meeting, and then I go home,
like it takes a little bit more. And we kind
of talked about this, you know, we were sitting around,
you know because b Mack came up and he wanted
he wanted to shoot some stuff for a CBS Sports
network and so you know, we just have you know, myself, Ike, Taylor,
(33:40):
Brett Keesel, we all came together and we sat at
the table we did and we did this interview and
it was funny because when we sat down, it was
literally like we sat in our draft year order. Because
Keesel was at O two, I was at O three,
I was at O four. B Mack was an O five,
and I thought that was just a funny moment where
(34:03):
we all were literally drafted in consecutive years of each other,
still on the same team, and it was special just
sitting at the table chopping it up, eating chicken wings.
And then r C was over at another table because
the pivot was there earlier, and so our C came
over and we just we we had we had some
fun and and and you realize, man, how much time
(34:26):
do we spend together that when we see each other,
it's like time doesn't pass.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If I need to call somebody, they're right there.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
If I need if I need anything from them, they're
right there.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And that was.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Just one of the things that was just so special
in that moment. And I realized we spent a lot
of time together.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean, when the MESSUSS came.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
To town, everybody, everybody was at Pazzi's house on Thursday night,
right and just you know, just in line, because we
knew we need to get our body ready for the game,
but we also knew there was a time to commune, right,
you know, when you were waiting to get on the
table and get acupuncture needles and everything else, and just
get destroyed physically, you know. We would sit down and
(35:12):
we'd have there'd be food in Patzi's kitchen. We'd all eat,
hang out, watch the Thursday night game that's on TV, play.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Cards, and just kick it.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
And it'd be like twenty five thirty guys on a
Thursday night. And then and then I would usually be
racing over there from our on line film sessions. We
watch film as an offensive line at somebody's house every
Thursday night and they just go over Blitz protection. We'd
invite the running backs over as well and tight ends
to come watch film with us and let's just go
through it as teammates. And so that would be right
(35:45):
after practice, and then about eight thirty I would head
over to Patzi's house and we be in line and
sitting there with a lot of defensive guys, you know,
and some offensive guys, and we'd just kick it. I mean,
you know, Rashard Mendenhall used to come over and he
would just come for the cake because Arbasius, she'd always
make a cake for the dessert for everybody. That was
(36:07):
like just her signature thing that she always did right.
And Rack would always just come over get his besides,
he was always the first one there and he and
he cut him a big old piece of cake and
he'd leave.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm like, Rack, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Like there's a but he's like, yeah, y'all, big boys
don't need this. I'm doing I'm helping you out. I'm
doing ufa h. And so, you know, it's just those
moments and when you get to relive those, that you
see those and you realize it's a process. It's time
that is needed. It's not gonna you can't accelerate it,
(36:39):
you know. And so for these guys, they just need time.
They just need time together and they need an opportunity
to bond and to gel and to have that moment
where they can just be where you can be and
that's really the authentic self, right because there's no coaches
around like a training camp, there's no cameras, there's no meat, right,
(37:00):
It's just us in those moments, and that's where you
get to know the man. That's where you get to
know your brother, that's where you take that next step
in forming the bond of teammates. And so I just
hope that they could eventually get to that. And you know,
it's it's it's funny, will you go through it? But
(37:24):
you know it's it's it's so rewarding on the other
side of it. And I just hope that guys will
continue to just field that bond because it's going to
it's going to make it's going to make sense eventually.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And and and you've seen it firsthand, and that does
make a ton of sense. And I think, listen, that
is that's something that we all know about offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know it.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They are the one position group on a football field
that can truly be greater than the sum of its parts.
You know, if they're all on the same page, if
they have that continuity, they're all speaking the same language.
You know, as you mentioned earlier, you can just kind
of look at each other. It's like it's like your
wife when the kids are acting up, right, you could
just look at each other and you know what that
look means. You know, this is this is a unit
(38:08):
that has taken some lumps, certainly, but has a lot
of opportunity to punch back. And uh and I'm hoping
we start to see that this Sunday at Foxborough.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, that is that is that is what
I'm hoping as well, so we will. We will be
very intrigued to see what did you learn today? What
did you learn this week? And the board meeting happens
on Sunday one o'clock at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.
You know, and we'll continue to bring you more.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
We're gonna step aside.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
We'll be back with more here inside the locker room
with King and Starks and eulerbaumb Today he blessed us
with his presence, filling in UH and more here on.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Steelers are your network.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
This is in the locker room with King and Starks
on Steelers Nation ready presented by your neighborhood Forward Store.
The F one is the official truck of the Pittsburgh
Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct from
the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop dot
Steelers dot com.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
All right back inside the locker room. And of course
this is the bell lap eight minutes till noontime Eastern
Standard time, which is always the midday push. And of
course you need to refill the engines around this time
(39:36):
of day to proceed and progress with the rest of
your day.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I know I will forge, I hope you will too.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Not the same energy that I would normally have during
this you know, obviously you always want to finish with
a bang, But in this moment, I think it's very important,
you know, as we've learned news happening, you know, just
(40:08):
a few hours ago, right, Wes, Yeah, correct, I believe, Yeah,
it happened overnight. But of course, you know, we find
out in the morning time that we lost a really
good friend, not only to SNR, but to the Steelers
Nation community, to the Pittsburgh community, a man that we
(40:29):
all have worked with. I've been interviewed by numerous times
over the last twenty odd years, and it is with
great sadness and regret that I have to mention this
news to you today. And it's that we have we
have lost our good friend Dale Lolly. You know obviously, Wes,
(40:56):
you know things have changed within our network.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You're now on the drive with Matt to try and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Help with Dale as he's gone through this. I mean,
he's he's been battling for a while and uh, you know,
you think things are on on the uptick, and you know,
things don't happen that way. God has other plans in
mind for for for his children. So yeah, I'll I
(41:22):
let's just say a couple of words, man, just trying
to do a reconcile it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's uh, it's obviously not the news that that we
wanted to share today or at any point. I think
most of the you know, loyal whether whether you're an
SNR listener, drive listener, consume Dale's content on Steelers dot com,
all the all the different things that he did. I
(41:46):
think people were aware that, you know, he had he
had had some health issues in the in the past
year or so. But like you mentioned, I think there
was certainly a time where we all uh hoped and
thought that that was behind him, and and just you know,
the the nasty nature of listen, well, we all know
how fragile our health is. We all know how nasty
(42:09):
something like cancer can be. And unfortunately, you know, things,
things uh took a turn for the worse for him,
you know, in the in the last month or so.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Max.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
When I you know, when I first started with the
Steelers in twenty eighteen, I was a I was a
kid who grew up in Pittsburgh. I was a kid
who grew up listening to Stan savergn and Tunching Wolf
and Mike Pursuda, you know, and and reading people like
Dale Lolly and Jerry Dulac and you know, Gene Collier
and in all these in all these icons of of
(42:42):
you know, of of our industry. But when I got
to Steelers training camp in twenty eighteen, I had just
been hired and I I kind of I knew my
buddy Adam Crowley from college, and that was about it.
I got thrown into that Latrobe ecosystem with a bunch
of people that I was familiar with the work but
had never met before, had no personal relationship with, and
(43:05):
they all could not have been nicer. I mean, Touch
and Wolf took me under their wing right away, but
you know who else did. We're Matt and Dale and
just helping me from everything with getting up the speed
of knowledge of the team because I'd been covering and
working for the Philadelphia Eagles for three years, so my
you know, my kind of Steeler's knowledge had taken a
little dip. Helping plug me into that ecosystem. You know,
(43:27):
they introduced me to everybody, whether it was people on
the coaching staff that I was gonna have to interact
with or everybody else within that kind of media sphere,
you know, that was that was kind of the beauty
of Dale was he had that classic, you know, like
almost hard edge reporter mentality and attitude. But man, when
(43:49):
you when you peeled that back for five seconds, he
was a dude who deeply cared, deeply cared about the Steelers,
deeply cared about the people around the team, deeply cared
about younger people who were coming up in this business
and making sure that they had, you know, the the
opportunity to learn and grow and earn it just like he.
I mean, he started covering the team right out of college.
(44:09):
He's been covering the team, you know, for as long
as I've been alive. And just he was one of
those catalysts man, you know, like Tounching Wolf. Just it
is it's hard to I mean you talk back to
your playing days and Dale was there. It's it's it's
already been hard to imagine the Steelers without Tounch and
(44:31):
without Wolf. And now you know, just six months uh
after losing Craig, we we lose Dale, and it just man,
we are we are We're honored to be able to
continue that tradition that these guys have laid down Uh,
but brother, it's uh, that doesn't make it any easier.
It's it's just it's it's been a difficult stretch and
(44:53):
things will never be the same without those guys. Things
will things will never be the same without Dale.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
LOLLI no salient words, Wes. And you know, I couldn't
have said it any better. You know, I've spent you know,
the last couple of train you know, training camps, combines
and owners meetings with Dale, And like I said, you know,
I remember when he was just a writer in the
(45:18):
locker room and interviewing me, and and to have that
deeper relationship to be on the other side of this
with him, you know, gained a great amount of respect
and appreciation, you know for him and what he provided.
And also the knowledge and experience you can't you can't
shake that. I mean we talk about this all the
(45:38):
time in sports, right you know, nothing beats experience. And
you can have all the skill in the world, but
if you don't have the knowledge behind it, you know,
it's moot. You have to gain that time. And he
had the time served. You know, he was big in
the community, you know, huge baseball fan as well. Yeah,
and and you know just just a great guy. You know,
(46:01):
I was proud to say that I've I've got to
share some moments with him. A couple of beers over
the years with them as well.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Just a couple, yeah, just a few, of course.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I mean, you know, hey, listen, and a responsible adult
amount of beers at training camp. But you know, our
thoughts and prayers are with Amy and the family and
to everybody out there that knew him, you know, send
our deepest condolences and he'll always be in our thoughts
and prayers. And like you said, you know, we have
(46:32):
to pick up the mantle and make sure his legacy
is not forgotten.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
And we continue to strive and do that.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
But you're right, man, it's just it's just body blow
after bad body blow with these things.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
And you know, but we charge on.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
We charge on because their memory dictates it, and they
wouldn't they wouldn't want us to do it any other way,
but to carry it on right and continue that integrity
and to report from an honest perspective and a sobering perspective.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So we will do just that.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And with that, that's the end of the show today.
We'll be back tomorrow. Inside the locker room, same bat channel,
same bat time we come back here. You've been listening
to Inside the Locker Room with King and Starks, and
of course we appreciate deeply Wesley Euler filling in on
this day justin Miller on the ones and twos. Have
a great rest of your day, folks, and we'll see
(47:22):
you tomorrow
This is in the locker Room with King and Starks
on Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your neighborhood Forward Store.
The F one fifty is the official truck of the
Pittsburgh Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct
from the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop
dot Steelers dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Guess what day it is? Guess what day it is?
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Anybody, Julie, Hey, guess what day it is?
Speaker 2 (00:37):
Come on, I know you can hear me. Mike. Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.
What day is it? Mike? Listen, guess what today is?
That's Humpday, all right?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
You know when you hear Mike the camel, it is
a hump Day Wednesday. But most importantly, it is the
power hour. And when you combine those two mighty forces together.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, he is not Captain Planet.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
He is Jim Wexel, editor in chief of Steel City Insider,
also famed author.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
As well. As I look in my office.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Right now, I have three different Jim Wexel books on
my shelf, and and I am proud to say that
I have one on the desk right now, and it's
an advanced copy. But the if these walls could talk
(01:29):
and it is the memoir of Craig Wolfley. And I
have to tell you, Jim, you what you know, Wolf
jumps off the page like this is Wolf at his finest.
You can hear his voice in every word on this.
And I know we've talked about the process of it all,
(01:50):
but man, it brings a tear to your eye. But
it also brings a big smile and a grin and
the laughs because Wolf, you know, he has his own
special way of painting a picture. And you know, you
think most people, hey, you're gonna get you know, van Go,
or you're gonna get rim Brandt or Monet.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
No, he's like Jackson Pollock. You know, it's just.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
It is just it is beautiful to read, and you know,
faith in the kids before the game on Sunday when
we had the moment on the silence for Wolf, we
went over to the suite and we're able to give
them a big old hug and just tell him we
love him. And she presented Rob and I with with
copies of the book, and man, it's an amazing book. Man,
(02:34):
it is an amazing book. So I have to give
my tip of the cap to you Wex for being
the conductor of that orchestra and getting things done.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It is. It is truly a phenomenal read.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
MaTx. You can't imagine how how happy that makes me
to hear you say that. You know, when you're when
you're involved in the book and you reread it and
pour through it so many times, you don't really know
what if it's a good or not. I mean, you
don't know, just as a guy who's now done seven
(03:09):
of these and then two months later when you give
it a break and then you read it. Oh yeah,
So I haven't done that yet with the Wolfly book.
But I'm so glad that you you said his voice
jumps off the page because in my intro, if you
read my intro or the last words were all I
(03:30):
want to do is get out of the way, and
apparently I did.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah, the tip of the cap to you,
tip of the cap.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
You know, thank you. I really was thinking about wolf
these last couple of days because I have to write
after a bad loss, and I'm one of the more
optimistic guys writers. I think I was taught by the
great Marino Perecenzo uh the former Post Cazette. I'm pretty
(04:04):
sure it's post Casette sort of press. But he was
a teacher of mine at PITT and he drove home
the point that spirit is the most important part of
sports writing. So you have to you have to use
your uh critical analysis. You have to uh, you know,
(04:25):
criticize when necessary. And this was a necessary week for criticism.
And I have other writers at my site and I
edit it done, and uh, they have not been taught
about spirit, and it's not It's a delicate thing in
sports writing. If you're being critical and have spirit, it's
not that easy. So uh, they were being they were
(04:48):
hammering the Steelers and just critical, and the fans were
eating it up and they love it. I tweeted one
other writer and you know, the feedback for his article immense.
They love when you really hammer the team after a loss.
And I that's not me really, So I'm thinking, boy,
(05:11):
I want to show some spirit. And because there are
a lot of readers out there that don't believe a
loss is the end of the world. And they also
don't believe that you're as bad as you look after
a loss, and that you're not as good as you
look after the men. We all know that to be true.
And I just I missed Wolf so much because he
was that guy that full bore optimism and sometimes he
(05:38):
would be over the top with optimism. When it called
for more criticism, he could do it, but sometimes it
was like a Wolf just works for the team's but
it was still needed because it was so good and
it revitalized your soul and we needed that. And so
I'm glad that you said what you said about the book,
(06:00):
and it also has left me a feeling that I
need more optimism in my work too, because leaving people
with a rejuvenated soul is more important than pointing out
who deserves to be cut, fired and maybe execution. Yeah, yeah, anyway, Max,
(06:25):
I did want to point out that this is a
Wes and Wex Wednesday and you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Wex Wex I I I love, you know, getting to
getting to catch up with you as always, and just
to kind of piggyback off of that, like, I want
the difference in processes for you because obviously, you know,
writing a writing a story from the game on Sunday
or you know, writing a story about Mike Tomlin's Tuesday
(06:54):
Press conferences is much different than writing a you know,
a storytelling book much different than you know, offering the
Pala Malu book that you've done, and all these different things.
You know, when when there's a game and there's a reaction,
there's a timeline there, there's a set process. The game's over,
you hear from the coach, you hear from the players.
(07:15):
You write your story, you file your story. When though
in something that is you know, is more evergreen and
and something that doesn't necessarily have a timeline or newsworthiness
like some of the books that you've written, is it
all just a feel like when do you know how
much time do you need to write? And then step
away from it and then go back to it. When
(07:37):
do you know that it's done? When is that time
where okay, I've tweaked this enough, I've got Because that's
always my kind of biggest challenge with things is when
it's right in front of your face, sometimes it's hard
to see the whole forest. You know, what's that process
for you?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Of like taking some.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Time going back, editing it, changing things, and then and
then finally feeling like it's done and ready in the
complete you know, the complete story and book that you
want it to be.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Well, I like to just stow stories. I like to
let it marinade overnight and get im I'm really early
in the morning. Guy and I have taken on a
part time job of driving a bus in West Morning
County for the elderly and handicapped, and that usually starts
(08:24):
like seven, So I find myself getting up at like
three thirty. And I love that time when you can
get up. I love that time, and I go through
my routine. I exercise my mind and my soul and
my body, and then I'm ready to write. And that
(08:44):
twelve hours that I give it really puts me in perspective. Now,
after the game, I did not have twelve hours. I
wanted to write, and I was pretty harsh, not overly harsh,
but I was disappointed in the lineman they've been drafting.
(09:05):
They've now three years, they've been spent rebuilding the lines,
and I was just unimpressed for a second week in
a row. So that was my line of attack or approach.
I criticize these recent spate of linemen being drafted. Now,
(09:28):
if you can keep yourself together and not throw a
tantrum like maybe I used to when I was younger,
it can stand up to a rewatch of the film
of the tape like I did this morning, and you know,
I'm like, hey, you know, follow Tanu wasn't that bad
and it is just his second game, and he was
(09:50):
against Leonard Williams. And actually I was watching him so
much I didn't have to worry about Broaderick and hey,
that's improvement. Now I watched broader a little bit. I said,
there's some improvement there, and a little disappointed in kean
U Betten again not being able to hold up the point.
No I don't. I don't think he's a bad player.
(10:14):
I just don't think he's a nose yet. And but
it wasn't that bad on rewatch and why why a
Black showed showed me some stuff. He continues to ascend,
So there's there's some ascension going on that I wasn't
really paying attention to. So I was a little revitalized
and then I could write again. And so sometimes it's
(10:39):
you just write another story when you pull yourself together,
if that's what you're askey. And so today after rewatch,
I was a little more optimistic. It wasn't as bad
as I thought.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Yeah, I mean I've poured through it, wax. I mean
I got on the plane right after the game that
evening to head back home and obviously be in position
for the show this week, and I WoT I broke
down the film on the flight back, and yeah, it
was just, you know, it was frustrating on first glance,
(11:18):
just because you saw just like the little things and
it's really that was a difference in the game where
little things. It wasn't these gigantic problems, Like it wasn't
that we were.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Out skilled in the.
Speaker 4 (11:32):
Game, but the craftiness and us falling into some of
those things. We have the athletes out there that can
do it. It was just they had, you know, like
anything else, right, Like when you look at a pot
roast and a crock pot, you know it when it
starts to brown, You're like, man, that looks good. I
feel like I could take No, you can't take the
(11:53):
lid off. It said six hours.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Let it said the six hours.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
You can't take it out at two and a half,
you know, And and that's what you fought, the urge.
And that's why I feel like you fight the urge
on when you're looking at the game right as you
rip the band aid off, right and you just look
at this nasty cut and it's like no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Just just wait, just wait.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
And so I watched it a second time and I'm
just like, man, it's just a little thing here, a
little thing there, two feet to the left, and this
play breaks wide open.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
You know, if a.
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Hand is moved six inches inside the guy doesn't get
his hand in the face and force Aaron up in
the pocket or Patrick is a difference between Patrick Queen
blocking the touchdown from aj Bonner on that seam curl
versus him catching it and making a touchdown. If Caleb Johnson,
you know, is a rookie realizes the ball hit in
bounds and just go cover it in that moment, like
(12:49):
there's like these small little things. It's not a catastrophic
type of deal that we kind of think of it,
right and and so you're right, I mean, but it
takes perspective, and like you said, it's a depth touch
because this team still has fifteen games left to play.
It's like, it's not like, ah, this this is week
seventeen and there's a guy to have it game for
(13:11):
the playoffs. And I kind of put this in perspective
and let me know your thoughts on this Wax, but
I said this game was the one off.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
This was Week seven.
Speaker 4 (13:22):
This is the seventeenth game added because there's no common opponent,
it's not in conference, and it matters very little in
the grand scheme as far as how this is going
to hurt us later in the year. I'm glad it
came early where we're still trying to figure ourselves out
and we're dealing with it rash of injuries. I'd rather
it happened here than later in the year, So that's
(13:44):
kind of my thought.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
Yeah, well, you know, there was some optimism from Tomlin
and his press conference that people are are angry about
on talk shows that I've heard, but it's necessary for
him to say things like, you know, these these injuries
could prove beneficial in the long term, meaning why a
Black got a lot of reps? Logan Lee got his reps? Now,
(14:08):
why a Black now that he got more reps because
he's deserving, He's definitely an upward trend trajectory, and yet
these extra reps are definitely helping a guy who could
help you at the end of the year win big games.
Logan Lee, I don't know, because he's just he's just
getting his first reps, he looked strong enough. There are
(14:31):
things that he might be able to do. We're just
starting to look at him. Peyton Wilson. You know, we
want to crucify him to a degree because of all
the run game issues, But there are some so many
things he did so well. And you know the plays
you're talking about that went didn't go their way by inches.
(14:55):
A lot of times those inches are determined by the
measure of your resolve between being oh and one and
being one and oh. You know, Seattle was the one
playing with their hair off fires, you know, Pittsburgh at
one and oh. It's human nature sometimes to think you
might be all that. There's a lot of unhappy optimism
(15:17):
in town over the offense and so that you know,
there's a bit of cool you take into a game
and you play in an eighty five degree heat. Well, Seattle,
they're playing at ten in the morning, had to get
up early off a loss. They're not going to care
about any of that stuff. All they need to do
is dig down deep in the fourth quarter and get
that extra inch to make that extra play. So I
(15:40):
look for the Steelers to have that resolve over the
Patriots this week because the town is going to be
unforgiven this week on and you know they're going to
get on their plane and there aren't gonna be many smiles,
and they're gonna take that resolve to New England where
they've had you know, it's been a nightmare of three
decades for that, and that'll all play into it. I
(16:03):
look for them to have the edge this week in
that regard, so they will be making those key different
plays by inches next week.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Wex.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
The Steelers have not won in New England since two
thousand and eight, and if they're going to do so,
certainly the offense having a better showing is going to
be part of it. I do think one of the
positives certainly deserves discussion was, you know, Jalen Warren continues
to prove that if you can get him the ball
(16:38):
in space, if you can get him the ball in
opportune situations, he can take an inch and turn it
into a mile. I guess, just WEX, the question now becomes,
how do they get Jalen Warre in the ball in
space more often?
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Well, I think he has made steps all along the way.
I thought that he should have been recognized for these
steps earlier in his career. That's been a criticism of mine,
and now we're showing that he can. I think he
can carry a full load. I agree with not giving
(17:19):
him the ball on the first play, maybe two after
the sixty five yard play. That was a critical set
of downs there, and upon review, I'm not as angry
as I was. They're also proving Tenneth Gainwell is not
built for that kind of duty, so that will give
(17:40):
Jalen Moore, and Jalen's proving on third down that he's
a better pass blocker. That will give him more Each week.
He's showing the coaching staff that he has to play more.
So I don't know that his sixty five yard run
did anything other than reaffirm what we had seen two
years ago. Last year who was injury, but he's he's
(18:02):
back to that uh and with all the little things
he does, the coaches have no choice but to keep
him in the game and give him.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
A bigger road.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Caleb's not proving much yet. As for the criticism of
Caleb Johnson even being used as a kickoff returner, I
agreed with using him as a kickoff returner one thousand.
That's where a young back can get his touches and
get a feel for the game and grow into it.
(18:34):
It's unfortunate what happened. I approached Caleb after the mob
left him, and I'm grateful to see our Steelers. PR
staff didn't stop me. They usually when they say last question,
they don't like to see anybody else go up to
the guy one on one, and I did because I
wanted to tell him about Barry Foster. I asked him.
(18:55):
I said, Caleb, I mean, you know, for what. First
of all, Caleb deserves a lot of props, and the
PR staff also deserves a lot of props for getting him.
I don't know if they had or how much they
had to get him to do it. But he stood
right up with his uniform on, answered all the questions
(19:19):
until it became obvious that he's been asked all the questions,
and PR staff said, okay, that's the last question. Go on.
You know, leave the kid alone is what. Basically they
didn't have to say, but that's what their job is,
to leave this kid alone. He did everything required. He
was a man about it. He answered questions, he wasn't crying,
(19:39):
he wasn't pointing fingers, He accepted a blame and he
was only going to try to do better what he said.
So I walked up to him and they let me
and I said, Caleb, did you ever hear of Barry Foster?
He said, no, sir. I said, well, he was a
rookie running back who did the exact same thing you did,
(20:01):
and he was he was, you know, vilified in town.
And then a couple of years later he bounced back
and still his his rushing record still stands single season
Steelers rushing record. He set that. So he rebounded from that,
and he he didn't smile. There's nothing going to make
(20:24):
Cato Jonathan smile for a while. But he said, I
really appreciate you saying that. So it felt good to
tell him that little story. And so if he could
bounce back, great, But I agree with giving him the
touches to begin with, and I agree with benching him
(20:46):
because regardless of the gaff, he was not too very
productive returning kickoffs. So I believe the benching is in
order and he's going to have to find a way
to work his way back way.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Verry Foster did, Yeah, No, I mean that that that
that's tremendous, and wex once again, that's the depth of
touch that not a lot of writers have, and not
a lot of journalists who cover this league can provide
a solution to a problem, or at least provide a,
(21:22):
you know, a bright spot in a very cloudy moment
for a young man that's just started his career. Two
weeks into his career, you have that moment and still
understand that everybody's just trying to get to the why
and the how and the blame game involved with it.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
So, I mean, I truly appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
I mean, that's that that that's a special gift wex
and I know he might not have said it, but
you know, and appreciate it as much. But he's gonna
think about that. He's probably gonna go do his research
and read about that. You provided that moment for him.
So thank you, my friend.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
That was that was amazing that you shared that with us.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
You know, because I mean a lot of people don't.
Every Body wants negativity, right. Negativity creates clickbait. Negativity creates
the salacious headline that makes people want to engage further
and enrage further. And you were able to kind of
douse that flame, right. It could have been very easy
just to pile onto that kid.
Speaker 5 (22:18):
Well, let me say that his taking it like a man,
for lack of a better term, his ability to stand
up an answer instead of going and hiding or whatever
a lot of people do, it inspired me to try
to save some of the pain because of how he
(22:43):
was acting. So I'm just responding to how he handled it.
And so I don't know that I would have been
able to handle it without crying like a little baby
and apologizing to my team and walking around with tears
in my eyes just begging to be cut put me
out of my misery. He didn't do that, you know,
(23:04):
So I I just reacted to his reaction.
Speaker 4 (23:10):
Well, well, great reaction, indeed positivity and that I mean
the young man showed accountability and intestinal fortito, right, I mean,
those are those are the things that that we always.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Try and figure out.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
And as a parent, you know, this is like how
do you manufacture those type of things so your kid
can handle those moments? But you never know when your
kid can handle those moments until they're in that moment.
And so I'm sure for his parents, you know, just
knowing what what that situation was, watching that live and
then wondering how did your child.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Respond to it?
Speaker 4 (23:41):
Well, you know he was gonna be on every interview
on every TV talking about that because he made himself available.
So you know that that that's that that that's a
tip of the cap. And that's a young man that
was raised right and understands it. You gotta you got,
you gotta count for your stuff, good, bad and different.
You can't just be there, you know, when the winds
have But in all the great stuff happens. You know,
(24:02):
in the midst of defeat, if you feel like you
had a hand in that stand and be accounted for,
you know, you can't shirk away. You can't run away
from that responsibility. So it was good and you provided
the proper I think perspective for him. You gave him
perspective on this that it is not the end of
the world, only if you make it to be, because
other people have done the exact same thing. And that's
(24:23):
what I always say, nothing new under the sun. You know,
there is nothing new under the sun. I try and
preaches to my kids and all three of us are
dads on here, we understand it. Where kid does something
they think that they're so clever, it's like, no, what
you've done, has been done before, and I probably did it.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
That's why I'm telling you it's not unique. And that's another.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Way of building that and trying to hopefully get them
to do the right thing in the long run. So well,
wex I know we've kept you long enough. We appreciate
the time as always on wex Wednesday. And of course,
you know, please go to Steel City inside or everyone
you get this and more pearls of wisdom from the
great Jim Wexel and his staff over there, and of
(25:08):
course Jim Wexsel dot com the author side of of
of Jim Wexel. The Palamola book is still once again
tremendous book as well. But like I said, this Craig
Wolfly book man just has me has me not it
up right now.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So I am. I am excited. I don't know when
when is when? When are we have we have we
found a date yet? A release date yet for that
book yet?
Speaker 5 (25:30):
No, I'm sorry, I hear too. I'm just surprised that
there there still says on the website coming out in
November when the book is done. I've got my box
of books, and so did say, and you know, so
and I'm not getting a return call. They've been a
shake up with the staff over there.
Speaker 6 (25:47):
So okay, well, well then I'm going to enjoy I'm
going to enjoy my early copy than.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
Well awesome, but that we appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Have a great rest of your week. We'll talk next week.
But all right, you're inside of the locker room with King.
Get starts. We'll be back here after these commercial breaks.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
This is in the locker room with kingon Starks on
Steelers Nation Radio, presented by your neighborhood Forward Store. The
F one fifty is the official truck of the Pittsburgh
Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct from
the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop dot
Steelers dot com.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
All right, back inside the locker room here, and you know,
we just had I thought, it's always a great time
having Wexson, but it's even more apropos to have him on,
you know, especially after a loss. And you know, he
kind of provides that perspective that you know everybody.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
Would look at looking for.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
And I think, you know, you have to be encouraged,
you have to be ready to to deal with those
adversities because obstacles are going to happen to everybody. And
it's one of those things that I kind of look
at and I say, man, you know, if we're going
to sit here and go.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
And talk about, you know, where.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We can go, where we've gone, you know what has happened,
and you know there's a certain sobering effect that happens.
Wes yeah with that, And I think that's how I've
kind of approached, you know, approached those type of things.
And you know, I'm really I'm really happy about where
(27:49):
we're at, and I just want to kind of get
your thoughts about what what what where you are mentally
right now with this.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
Max.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
That's a that's a good way to put it. I
you know, I guess I guess maybe like a crossroads
mentality because again, I think the the glass half empty,
the pessimistic, pessimistic look is. You know, it was a
lot of the same mistakes and issues as week one.
Just you know, week one, you were able to get.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Away with it.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know, Boswell bails you out. You got the big
special team's momentum flipping play in week one. That was
the other way around in week two. So it's kind
of like, Okay, it's one hundred and twenty minutes of
a lot of the same mistakes that we've seen on
both sides of the ball. But to me, like the
then optimistic view of that becomes I think again, like
(28:41):
you don't need to go to the doctor and say
my wrist hurts, my forearm hurts, like you know, your
elbows broken. You know you know what the diagnosis is
and the symptoms that have resulted because of that. The
question now is how can a defense with a lot
of injuries and a lot of new pieces, look at
an offense with a new quarterback and a lot of
(29:03):
new pieces, how can they start to get this moving
in the right direction, Because you know, super bowls and
playoff appearances, they're not won and lost, they're not made
in September. But at the same time, you and I
know you don't want to dig yourself a hole. It's
a tough division, it's a tough conference. The schedule is
(29:23):
maybe not necessarily the same behemoth that it was down
the stretch last year, certainly, but five of the last
six teams you play this year, we're all in the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Last year.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
You know you've got Detroit down the stretch, You've got
Buffalo down the stretch, you've got Baltimore the last week
of the season. This was always going to be a
work in progress when you add all the pieces that
they did to the defense, when you add a quarterback
like Aaron Rodgers and someone like DK Metcalf and John
new Smith, it was always going to take some time
(29:54):
for them to figure out. But right now we're kind
of at that crossroads moment where I think you can
look a lot of these things optimistically. You can certainly
look at some things pessimistically as well too, but now
is where we have to start to see the improvement.
Like I remember this, you know, this is something that
Motes used to always say to me, Max, is that
(30:14):
like week to week, you better find a new mistake.
You know, the mistakes you're making in week one you
better not be making in week two. The mistakes you're
making in week two you better certainly not be making
by week six, seven, eight nine, and on down the line.
Like it's it's time to start finding a new mistake.
And and that's a tough ask on the road, you know,
against a Patriots team that's gonna be rejuvenized after a close,
(30:38):
dramatic victory against their division rival, the Miami Dolphins. It's
a it's a real kind of you know, these next
few opportunities are some real crossroad moments. You've got two games,
one on the road, the other I mean technically a
home game, right, but it's gonna be the furthest We
go all year to Dublin and then you have your
bye week. You got to keep your head above water.
(31:00):
You've got to start getting things moving in the right direction.
And then hopefully after that bye week against a favorable
matchup against the Browns as well too. There in week six,
you'll really start to hitch your stride. But I think
you you know, you're you're Robert Johnson, Max your bone,
thugs in harmony, You're you're standing at the car. You're
Eric Clapton. You're you're standing at the crossroads right now,
(31:20):
and and and starting to figure out who you are
and what's good and what needs work certainly as well too.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, you want to make sure that you're not having
an identity crisis by week six, correct you that you
are fulling in yourself. You understand who you are, you
understand what your weaknesses are. You attack those weaknesses to
make sure that people don't exploit them, and that you know,
everybody looks around to a man, looks you right in
(31:48):
your eyes and tells you, hey, I'm gonna stand here
and be accounted for, and that I am here for
this journey. I'm here to fight. I am not going
to give up on you. I've got your back. Whatever
you want to do, I'm I'm a back your play.
And that's and that's the mindset that you want to
see from this team. You want to see them. You know,
(32:08):
we always call it circling the wagons, right, you know,
where everybody just kind of gets more narrowed in, gets
more focused, and you just focus on the task in hand.
You're looking for solutions. You want solution finders in there.
You don't want finger pointers in these in those moments.
And I think for this group, they don't know what
they don't know, and you know they have they have
(32:28):
to get to know each other. They have to get
to know that guy next to them more intimately. And
I think you start that process and it's more accelerated
than it could be because of the time you spend
a training camp, but it's still not all the way there.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's not that's not your best friend. Yet I've got
to get to that point.
Speaker 4 (32:47):
You've got to get to that point where you know
that guy better than you know family. Essentially, you know
this these are these are your your work friends. But
the work is is family esque family that's friends that
are family though you know that's kind of the family.
(33:07):
You get to pick right, you know, call him family.
And so to get to that point, you've got to
spend time You've got you You've got to make the effort.
It can't be I clock out once the day is over.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
I go to meetings, I go.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
To practice, do another meeting, and then I go home,
like it takes a little bit more. And we kind
of talked about this, you know, we were sitting around,
you know because b Mack came up and he wanted
he wanted to shoot some stuff for a CBS Sports
network and so you know, we just have you know, myself, Ike, Taylor,
(33:40):
Brett Keesel, we all came together and we sat at
the table we did and we did this interview and
it was funny because when we sat down, it was
literally like we sat in our draft year order. Because
Keesel was at O two, I was at O three,
I was at O four. B Mack was an O five,
and I thought that was just a funny moment where
(34:03):
we all were literally drafted in consecutive years of each other,
still on the same team, and it was special just
sitting at the table chopping it up, eating chicken wings.
And then r C was over at another table because
the pivot was there earlier, and so our C came
over and we just we we had we had some
fun and and and you realize, man, how much time
(34:26):
do we spend together that when we see each other,
it's like time doesn't pass.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
If I need to call somebody, they're right there.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
If I need if I need anything from them, they're
right there.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And that was.
Speaker 4 (34:40):
Just one of the things that was just so special
in that moment. And I realized we spent a lot
of time together.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
I mean, when the MESSUSS came.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
To town, everybody, everybody was at Pazzi's house on Thursday night,
right and just you know, just in line, because we
knew we need to get our body ready for the game,
but we also knew there was a time to commune, right,
you know, when you were waiting to get on the
table and get acupuncture needles and everything else, and just
get destroyed physically, you know. We would sit down and
(35:12):
we'd have there'd be food in Patzi's kitchen. We'd all eat,
hang out, watch the Thursday night game that's on TV, play.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
Cards, and just kick it.
Speaker 4 (35:22):
And it'd be like twenty five thirty guys on a
Thursday night. And then and then I would usually be
racing over there from our on line film sessions. We
watch film as an offensive line at somebody's house every
Thursday night and they just go over Blitz protection. We'd
invite the running backs over as well and tight ends
to come watch film with us and let's just go
through it as teammates. And so that would be right
(35:45):
after practice, and then about eight thirty I would head
over to Patzi's house and we be in line and
sitting there with a lot of defensive guys, you know,
and some offensive guys, and we'd just kick it. I mean,
you know, Rashard Mendenhall used to come over and he
would just come for the cake because Arbasius, she'd always
make a cake for the dessert for everybody. That was
(36:07):
like just her signature thing that she always did right.
And Rack would always just come over get his besides,
he was always the first one there and he and
he cut him a big old piece of cake and
he'd leave.
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I'm like, Rack, what are you doing?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Like there's a but he's like, yeah, y'all, big boys
don't need this. I'm doing I'm helping you out. I'm
doing ufa h. And so, you know, it's just those
moments and when you get to relive those, that you
see those and you realize it's a process. It's time
that is needed. It's not gonna you can't accelerate it,
(36:39):
you know. And so for these guys, they just need time.
They just need time together and they need an opportunity
to bond and to gel and to have that moment
where they can just be where you can be and
that's really the authentic self, right because there's no coaches
around like a training camp, there's no cameras, there's no meat, right,
(37:00):
It's just us in those moments, and that's where you
get to know the man. That's where you get to
know your brother, that's where you take that next step
in forming the bond of teammates. And so I just
hope that they could eventually get to that. And you know,
it's it's it's funny, will you go through it? But
(37:24):
you know it's it's it's so rewarding on the other
side of it. And I just hope that guys will
continue to just field that bond because it's going to
it's going to make it's going to make sense eventually.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
And and and you've seen it firsthand, and that does
make a ton of sense. And I think, listen, that
is that's something that we all know about offensive lineman.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Man.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
You know it.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
They are the one position group on a football field
that can truly be greater than the sum of its parts.
You know, if they're all on the same page, if
they have that continuity, they're all speaking the same language.
You know, as you mentioned earlier, you can just kind
of look at each other. It's like it's like your
wife when the kids are acting up, right, you could
just look at each other and you know what that
look means. You know, this is this is a unit
(38:08):
that has taken some lumps, certainly, but has a lot
of opportunity to punch back. And uh and I'm hoping
we start to see that this Sunday at Foxborough.
Speaker 4 (38:18):
Yeah, absolutely absolutely, that is that is that is what
I'm hoping as well, so we will. We will be
very intrigued to see what did you learn today? What
did you learn this week? And the board meeting happens
on Sunday one o'clock at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro, Massachusetts.
You know, and we'll continue to bring you more.
Speaker 2 (38:39):
We're gonna step aside.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
We'll be back with more here inside the locker room
with King and Starks and eulerbaumb Today he blessed us
with his presence, filling in UH and more here on.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
Steelers are your network.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
This is in the locker room with King and Starks
on Steelers Nation ready presented by your neighborhood Forward Store.
The F one is the official truck of the Pittsburgh
Steelers and by Steelers Pro Shop. Get it direct from
the team at the Steelers Pro Shop at shop dot
Steelers dot com.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
All right back inside the locker room. And of course
this is the bell lap eight minutes till noontime Eastern
Standard time, which is always the midday push. And of
course you need to refill the engines around this time
(39:36):
of day to proceed and progress with the rest of
your day.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I know I will forge, I hope you will too.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
Not the same energy that I would normally have during
this you know, obviously you always want to finish with
a bang, But in this moment, I think it's very important,
you know, as we've learned news happening, you know, just
(40:08):
a few hours ago, right, Wes, Yeah, correct, I believe, Yeah,
it happened overnight. But of course, you know, we find
out in the morning time that we lost a really
good friend, not only to SNR, but to the Steelers
Nation community, to the Pittsburgh community, a man that we
(40:29):
all have worked with. I've been interviewed by numerous times
over the last twenty odd years, and it is with
great sadness and regret that I have to mention this
news to you today. And it's that we have we
have lost our good friend Dale Lolly. You know obviously, Wes,
(40:56):
you know things have changed within our network.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
You're now on the drive with Matt to try and.
Speaker 4 (41:01):
Help with Dale as he's gone through this. I mean,
he's he's been battling for a while and uh, you know,
you think things are on on the uptick, and you know,
things don't happen that way. God has other plans in
mind for for for his children. So yeah, I'll I
(41:22):
let's just say a couple of words, man, just trying
to do a reconcile it.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
It's uh, it's obviously not the news that that we
wanted to share today or at any point. I think
most of the you know, loyal whether whether you're an
SNR listener, drive listener, consume Dale's content on Steelers dot com,
all the all the different things that he did. I
(41:46):
think people were aware that, you know, he had he
had had some health issues in the in the past
year or so. But like you mentioned, I think there
was certainly a time where we all uh hoped and
thought that that was behind him, and and just you know,
the the nasty nature of listen, well, we all know
how fragile our health is. We all know how nasty
(42:09):
something like cancer can be. And unfortunately, you know, things,
things uh took a turn for the worse for him,
you know, in the in the last month or so.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Max.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
When I you know, when I first started with the
Steelers in twenty eighteen, I was a I was a
kid who grew up in Pittsburgh. I was a kid
who grew up listening to Stan savergn and Tunching Wolf
and Mike Pursuda, you know, and and reading people like
Dale Lolly and Jerry Dulac and you know, Gene Collier
and in all these in all these icons of of
(42:42):
you know, of of our industry. But when I got
to Steelers training camp in twenty eighteen, I had just
been hired and I I kind of I knew my
buddy Adam Crowley from college, and that was about it.
I got thrown into that Latrobe ecosystem with a bunch
of people that I was familiar with the work but
had never met before, had no personal relationship with, and
(43:05):
they all could not have been nicer. I mean, Touch
and Wolf took me under their wing right away, but
you know who else did. We're Matt and Dale and
just helping me from everything with getting up the speed
of knowledge of the team because I'd been covering and
working for the Philadelphia Eagles for three years, so my
you know, my kind of Steeler's knowledge had taken a
little dip. Helping plug me into that ecosystem. You know,
(43:27):
they introduced me to everybody, whether it was people on
the coaching staff that I was gonna have to interact
with or everybody else within that kind of media sphere,
you know, that was that was kind of the beauty
of Dale was he had that classic, you know, like
almost hard edge reporter mentality and attitude. But man, when
(43:49):
you when you peeled that back for five seconds, he
was a dude who deeply cared, deeply cared about the Steelers,
deeply cared about the people around the team, deeply cared
about younger people who were coming up in this business
and making sure that they had, you know, the the
opportunity to learn and grow and earn it just like he.
I mean, he started covering the team right out of college.
(44:09):
He's been covering the team, you know, for as long
as I've been alive. And just he was one of
those catalysts man, you know, like Tounching Wolf. Just it
is it's hard to I mean you talk back to
your playing days and Dale was there. It's it's it's
already been hard to imagine the Steelers without Tounch and
(44:31):
without Wolf. And now you know, just six months uh
after losing Craig, we we lose Dale, and it just man,
we are we are We're honored to be able to
continue that tradition that these guys have laid down Uh,
but brother, it's uh, that doesn't make it any easier.
It's it's just it's it's been a difficult stretch and
(44:53):
things will never be the same without those guys. Things
will things will never be the same without Dale.
Speaker 4 (44:57):
LOLLI no salient words, Wes. And you know, I couldn't
have said it any better. You know, I've spent you know,
the last couple of train you know, training camps, combines
and owners meetings with Dale, And like I said, you know,
I remember when he was just a writer in the
(45:18):
locker room and interviewing me, and and to have that
deeper relationship to be on the other side of this
with him, you know, gained a great amount of respect
and appreciation, you know for him and what he provided.
And also the knowledge and experience you can't you can't
shake that. I mean we talk about this all the
(45:38):
time in sports, right you know, nothing beats experience. And
you can have all the skill in the world, but
if you don't have the knowledge behind it, you know,
it's moot. You have to gain that time. And he
had the time served. You know, he was big in
the community, you know, huge baseball fan as well. Yeah,
and and you know just just a great guy. You know,
(46:01):
I was proud to say that I've I've got to
share some moments with him. A couple of beers over
the years with them as well.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
Just a couple, yeah, just a few, of course.
Speaker 4 (46:11):
I mean, you know, hey, listen, and a responsible adult
amount of beers at training camp. But you know, our
thoughts and prayers are with Amy and the family and
to everybody out there that knew him, you know, send
our deepest condolences and he'll always be in our thoughts
and prayers. And like you said, you know, we have
(46:32):
to pick up the mantle and make sure his legacy
is not forgotten.
Speaker 2 (46:35):
And we continue to strive and do that.
Speaker 4 (46:37):
But you're right, man, it's just it's just body blow
after bad body blow with these things.
Speaker 2 (46:42):
And you know, but we charge on.
Speaker 4 (46:45):
We charge on because their memory dictates it, and they
wouldn't they wouldn't want us to do it any other way,
but to carry it on right and continue that integrity
and to report from an honest perspective and a sobering perspective.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So we will do just that.
Speaker 4 (47:01):
And with that, that's the end of the show today.
We'll be back tomorrow. Inside the locker room, same bat channel,
same bat time we come back here. You've been listening
to Inside the Locker Room with King and Starks, and
of course we appreciate deeply Wesley Euler filling in on
this day justin Miller on the ones and twos. Have
a great rest of your day, folks, and we'll see
(47:22):
you tomorrow
Popular Podcasts
On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.