August 13, 2025 • 7 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Way, way, way, way, way. You're telling me Chuck Schumer
allegedly invented fake people.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He did, and he uses them all the time as reference.
They are named the Baileys. They're a middle class couple
from Massapequa, Long Island, and they have been invented by
Chuck Schumer as a centrist swing voter.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Archetype English casey, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Like, what do you mean they invented them?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, So let me see if I can put this
in terms you might be able to understand. Sure, when
you were a young radio disc jockey, did your boss
ever say, Okay, your target demo is a twenty five
to fifty four year old male. Okay, So in your mind,
I want you to picture that man, give him a name,
and give him an age, and that's who you're talking
(00:45):
to on a daily basis. So in your mind you go, okay, sure,
my guy's name is Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He's forty years old, and he drives a truck. Okay,
And every time.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You crack the mic, you're supposed to picture Joe. Yeah,
got in your mind. Sure, absolutely, this is what Chuck
Schumer has done only with voters, and he's been using
them for years. He put out a book in two
thousand and seven called Positively American. He mentioned the Baileys,
this fake couple two hundred and sixty five times.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, so like, okay, what you're talking about is we
would do it in our heads. Except he has verbally
espoused or in the written word, that.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
These di's you mentioned them in speeches, that he's.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Doing good work for he's trying to help as a
senator or whatever. He's presented them to the public as
actual human beings.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And John Oliver, who on his late week tonight he
hosts a talk show, he was talking about these fictional
characters Joe and Eileen Bailey, But.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I actually want to talk less about Chuck Schumer himself
and more about two of his favorite people, Joe and
Eileen Bailey. There are a couple that throughout Schumer's career
he has talked about a lot.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
They're a middle class couple in Massapie, which is a
suburb on Long Island. Joe and Eileen Bailey, this middle
class couple they brought into Reagan Republicanism in nineteen eighty.
Joe and Eileen are worried about losing their jobs or
their friends' jobs, so that Baileys really don't believe in
trickle down. They don't believe in a whole lot of
government spending, but they believe in tax breaks for kids
(02:19):
to go to college. He's an insurance adjuster and lives
in the New York suburbs. By New York standards, he
makes fifty thousand year. If he lived in the middle
of the country, make forty. Wife works in a medical office.
She makes about twenty. She might make fifteen elsewhere. And
you know, I have guided my political life through.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The Baileyes, the Baileys have guided Chuck Schumer's political life,
which is a little way of given they don't exist, seriously,
he invented them. Schumer first introduced the world to the
Bailies in his two thousand and seven book Positively American,
Winning Back the Middle Class Majority, One Family at a Time.
In it, he mentions the bailies and astonishing two hundred
and sixty five times in two hundred and sixty four pages.
(02:59):
But he've been talking about them for years before the
book was published. One of his former spokespeople said he's
always asking what would the Baileies think, And to be fair,
Schumer acknowledges that some may find this a little weird.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
If you ask my staff, I've been talking about that
and talking to the Baileys for fifteen years. I have
conversations with them. One of my staffers once said, I
had imaginary friends to the press got me in some trouble.
But these people are real and I respect them and
I really love them and I care about them.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, sure, but they're literally not real.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Job they don't exist.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this is what I'm confused about, because he almost
contradicts himself there, Like he appears to acknowledge they're not real,
but then he says they are real. Is he trying
to say, See, this is where the habitual lie. These
people invent such doomsday type scenarios that they can't even
find people that meet the scenario they've laid on. Why
(03:58):
you need government intervention, why you need the government to
do this, or that. The scenarios are so ridiculous. He
can't even find one person that meets the thing, so
he meets he makes these imaginary people.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's how out of touch he is that he can't
even use a real person as an example in his
mind or in real life. He's got to fabricate these things.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
He goes on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
He detailed a fictional backstory of them. Joe sings the
anthem at Islanders games, Aileen runs clothing drives at church,
They eat Kung pow chicken, and watch mainstream TV. It
just goes on and on and on, and he's been
doing it for years.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So it's almost like he's trying to have his cake
and eat it too, where he'll sort of acknowledge they're
not real, so that if he gets called on it,
he'll go, well, these are just people that I made up.
But he's really trying to do enough where he wants
you to believe that they're real, and he knows most
media see this is why Biden got away with it
for years. Biden lied so much when he had his
mental faculties. He was a liar then too, because nobody
(04:57):
does this sound familiar somebody who lies habitually because they've
always gotten away with it and nobody will hold him
to account on it. And then once you hold them
to account on it, then you become.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
The bad guy.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is why these politicians do this, because they know,
first of all the people at the event or meeting
or whatever they're not gonna know enough for the most part,
are not gonna want to believe it to hold you account.
The local media usually I'm gonna know to hold you
account to it, so you just get away with lying.
They just lie over and over and over. And that's
what he's doing here where he'll if he gets truly
pressed on it, he no, no, no, if ming knowledge are
(05:30):
not real, They're just like people I made up. And
my staff thinks it's funny. And one time they said,
I have imagined everything.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But he cites them in speeches like this.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
My point, because he is, he is trying to present
them as real people, these people who run our country.
And I am talking about at the federal level, I
am certainly talking about to the state level. I am
talking about at the local level. These people are habitual liars.
They lie about everything, and then when they get called
to account, they turn to gaslight mode, like Schumer's doing there. Well,
(06:00):
I've always said they were always.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
As I talked to imaginary people, you are you do?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They make you, They make you out to be the
bad guy when you catch them and you try to
hold him accountable.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He recently said that the Bailey's probably voted for Trump,
and they actually probably voted for Trump in five of
their last six votes between them.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The specificity of the I mean that's the thing, right, Like,
if you had the like you said, the imaginary guy
going down the going down the road, you know, you
get at your head and then you just go on, right,
you don't invent a life for him.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, so he's eating kung pow chicken and going to
food drives at church.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean, use real constituents.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, this is clear policy positions that would be more beneficial.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But it's not even all that surprising. I mean, it
is ridiculous. So like we're talking about it because it's ridiculous.
But if I told you, hey, Chuck Schumer invented imaginary
people to help him help him better manipulate the voting
public into doing what he wants, would you been like
no way.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, I'd say, yeah, that sounds about right right.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And part of the problem with this is we have
so lowered the bar or the standard for acceptability that
that story you're just like yeah, probably, And I still
don't understand. This is what I still struggle so much with, Casey.
Why if someone screws up your order at the local
Taco Bell people will sprint to the towny chatterboard and say,
(07:31):
how I'll just pull a Chuck Schumer. Aaron, a sixteen
year old kid working the counter at the Taco Bell,
ruined my evening by putting a chalupa in when it
was supposed to be a burrito. But yet your government
uses you, abuses you, lies to you, manipulate you, and
you can't even be bothered to go vote these bums out.
Way, way, way, way, way. You're telling me Chuck Schumer
allegedly invented fake people.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
He did, and he uses them all the time as reference.
They are named the Baileys. They're a middle class couple
from Massapequa, Long Island, and they have been invented by
Chuck Schumer as a centrist swing voter.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Archetype English casey, what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Like, what do you mean they invented them?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Okay, So let me see if I can put this
in terms you might be able to understand. Sure, when
you were a young radio disc jockey, did your boss
ever say, Okay, your target demo is a twenty five
to fifty four year old male. Okay, So in your mind,
I want you to picture that man, give him a name,
and give him an age, and that's who you're talking
(00:45):
to on a daily basis. So in your mind you go, okay, sure,
my guy's name is Joe.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
He's forty years old, and he drives a truck. Okay,
And every time.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You crack the mic, you're supposed to picture Joe. Yeah,
got in your mind. Sure, absolutely, this is what Chuck
Schumer has done only with voters, and he's been using
them for years. He put out a book in two
thousand and seven called Positively American. He mentioned the Baileys,
this fake couple two hundred and sixty five times.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, so like, okay, what you're talking about is we
would do it in our heads. Except he has verbally
espoused or in the written word, that.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
These di's you mentioned them in speeches, that he's.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Doing good work for he's trying to help as a
senator or whatever. He's presented them to the public as
actual human beings.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
And John Oliver, who on his late week tonight he
hosts a talk show, he was talking about these fictional
characters Joe and Eileen Bailey, But.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
I actually want to talk less about Chuck Schumer himself
and more about two of his favorite people, Joe and
Eileen Bailey. There are a couple that throughout Schumer's career
he has talked about a lot.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
They're a middle class couple in Massapie, which is a
suburb on Long Island. Joe and Eileen Bailey, this middle
class couple they brought into Reagan Republicanism in nineteen eighty.
Joe and Eileen are worried about losing their jobs or
their friends' jobs, so that Baileys really don't believe in
trickle down. They don't believe in a whole lot of
government spending, but they believe in tax breaks for kids
(02:19):
to go to college. He's an insurance adjuster and lives
in the New York suburbs. By New York standards, he
makes fifty thousand year. If he lived in the middle
of the country, make forty. Wife works in a medical office.
She makes about twenty. She might make fifteen elsewhere. And
you know, I have guided my political life through.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
The Baileyes, the Baileys have guided Chuck Schumer's political life,
which is a little way of given they don't exist, seriously,
he invented them. Schumer first introduced the world to the
Bailies in his two thousand and seven book Positively American,
Winning Back the Middle Class Majority, One Family at a Time.
In it, he mentions the bailies and astonishing two hundred
and sixty five times in two hundred and sixty four pages.
(02:59):
But he've been talking about them for years before the
book was published. One of his former spokespeople said he's
always asking what would the Baileies think, And to be fair,
Schumer acknowledges that some may find this a little weird.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
If you ask my staff, I've been talking about that
and talking to the Baileys for fifteen years. I have
conversations with them. One of my staffers once said, I
had imaginary friends to the press got me in some trouble.
But these people are real and I respect them and
I really love them and I care about them.
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Okay, sure, but they're literally not real.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
Job they don't exist.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
So this is what I'm confused about, because he almost
contradicts himself there, Like he appears to acknowledge they're not real,
but then he says they are real. Is he trying
to say, See, this is where the habitual lie. These
people invent such doomsday type scenarios that they can't even
find people that meet the scenario they've laid on. Why
(03:58):
you need government intervention, why you need the government to
do this, or that. The scenarios are so ridiculous. He
can't even find one person that meets the thing, so
he meets he makes these imaginary people.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Correct.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
That's how out of touch he is that he can't
even use a real person as an example in his
mind or in real life. He's got to fabricate these things.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
He goes on.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
He detailed a fictional backstory of them. Joe sings the
anthem at Islanders games, Aileen runs clothing drives at church,
They eat Kung pow chicken, and watch mainstream TV. It
just goes on and on and on, and he's been
doing it for years.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
So it's almost like he's trying to have his cake
and eat it too, where he'll sort of acknowledge they're
not real, so that if he gets called on it,
he'll go, well, these are just people that I made up.
But he's really trying to do enough where he wants
you to believe that they're real, and he knows most
media see this is why Biden got away with it
for years. Biden lied so much when he had his
mental faculties. He was a liar then too, because nobody
(04:57):
does this sound familiar somebody who lies habitually because they've
always gotten away with it and nobody will hold him
to account on it. And then once you hold them
to account on it, then you become.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
The bad guy.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
This is why these politicians do this, because they know,
first of all the people at the event or meeting
or whatever they're not gonna know enough for the most part,
are not gonna want to believe it to hold you account.
The local media usually I'm gonna know to hold you
account to it, so you just get away with lying.
They just lie over and over and over. And that's
what he's doing here where he'll if he gets truly
pressed on it, he no, no, no, if ming knowledge are
(05:30):
not real, They're just like people I made up. And
my staff thinks it's funny. And one time they said,
I have imagined everything.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But he cites them in speeches like this.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
My point, because he is, he is trying to present
them as real people, these people who run our country.
And I am talking about at the federal level, I
am certainly talking about to the state level. I am
talking about at the local level. These people are habitual liars.
They lie about everything, and then when they get called
to account, they turn to gaslight mode, like Schumer's doing there. Well,
(06:00):
I've always said they were always.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
As I talked to imaginary people, you are you do?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They make you, They make you out to be the
bad guy when you catch them and you try to
hold him accountable.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
He recently said that the Bailey's probably voted for Trump,
and they actually probably voted for Trump in five of
their last six votes between them.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
The specificity of the I mean that's the thing, right, Like,
if you had the like you said, the imaginary guy
going down the going down the road, you know, you
get at your head and then you just go on, right,
you don't invent a life for him.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Well, so he's eating kung pow chicken and going to
food drives at church.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
I mean, use real constituents.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Yeah, this is clear policy positions that would be more beneficial.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
But it's not even all that surprising. I mean, it
is ridiculous. So like we're talking about it because it's ridiculous.
But if I told you, hey, Chuck Schumer invented imaginary
people to help him help him better manipulate the voting
public into doing what he wants, would you been like
no way.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
No, I'd say, yeah, that sounds about right right.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And part of the problem with this is we have
so lowered the bar or the standard for acceptability that
that story you're just like yeah, probably, And I still
don't understand. This is what I still struggle so much with, Casey.
Why if someone screws up your order at the local
Taco Bell people will sprint to the towny chatterboard and say,
(07:31):
how I'll just pull a Chuck Schumer. Aaron, a sixteen
year old kid working the counter at the Taco Bell,
ruined my evening by putting a chalupa in when it
was supposed to be a burrito. But yet your government
uses you, abuses you, lies to you, manipulate you, and
you can't even be bothered to go vote these bums out.
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