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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh, this is gonna come as a shocked all of
you and listener land. But Joe Hawks said has stabbed
the people of Indianapolis in the back. It's the Kennel
and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's out today. Oh boy,
we got the perfect person with us today to talk
about this because he knows energy, thirty years in need.
He had us at the Great Gym Merritt and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And I know hog set too.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Weren't you guys like frat brothers.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We were brothers. Yep, that's right. That's crazy to run together.
We had the we won the All campus cross country meet.
He and I this is indian Yeah, yeah, I say
he won it. We used to run together.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now, think about how your lives. I mean they were
entwined through politics, but you became a decent, respected, esteemed
member of society.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And then and then there's some people might argue about that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You ain't hog set no matter what. Okay, So the
big news that came out yesterday and by the way,
Jesse Brown, remember the Indianapolis City County Council is going
to be with us at nine to thirty talk about this.
And he is on a rampage and he should be,
because this is disgusting. So it came out last night
that Joe Hogg Set the City of Indianapolis, which is
(01:15):
Joe hog set, let's call it what it is. The
City of Indianapolis has struck a deal with AEES, which
is the major utility provider for electric provider for the
City of Indianapolis, that they will not object to AES
raising rates, but just not by as much as they
(01:36):
were going to raise the rate before. And this comes
at a time Jim, in which the governor has clearly
stated that whoever he's going to point to this i
U r C. Which we'll get to that later with you,
because you're on that board that's going to make some
of those recommendations, his major driver is going to be
no rate increases. He's got this new consumer advocate who's
totally on the public side of no rate increases and
(01:58):
in fact is not only objecting to a s IS
proposed rate increase, but it said the rate should be lower.
All the momentum is on the side of not having
rate increases for consumers, and then the Hawks and administration
goes in and cuts this deal. This is simply disgusting
beyond beliefle and it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It is unbelievable. And Robert, thank you very much, good morning,
and uh good moaning all uh this uh we everybody
has to understand that energy is at the center point
of everything that we do. And uh and and energy
and the rates, the power and a S is in
(02:38):
central Indiana. And I really find this hard to believe
that they're they're cutting off the conversation when when uh,
when the governor appointed Abby Gray as a consumer counselor
uh and she made the the the bold U pronouncement
that she is against the ae S increases this this
(03:02):
U this rate case.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And then the governor showed this emoji on on social
media of clapping and he supported that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So we're on each side of Market Street of Indianapolis.
We've got two competing uh situations here to two competing viewpoints.
And and I'm just not the devils in the details,
but shame on the Hugs administration for not letting this
play out with the I R C, with the consumer
(03:35):
counselor and and uh and it's just uh, you just
kind of wonder what's around the corner here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, So let's and By the way, Duel has a
pretty nice breakdown of all this over at Indie politics
dot org if you want to kind of read the
ABC's of this. But basically so kind of just reset
as it proposed another big rate increase. They just had
one at whatever it was eighteen months ago or something
like that, they wanted another one. It's in front of
the i u r C, the India Utility Regulatory Commission,
(04:04):
and now the i u r C can still reject this.
They can still say no, City of Indianapolis. And by
the way, there were other major players, utility users, mega
companies that have signed on to this lowered rate increase agreement.
But the i u r C still has the final say.
They have the ability to say no, you guys have
(04:25):
raised enough, We're done here.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, And the i r C does have the I
think they should play this out. They will play this out.
We'll talk about this a little later. But the i
r C is almost like a judicial they're the judge.
They make the decision. That consumer counselor has their part.
And I'm not sure you kind of wonder, Joe mayor,
(04:49):
Joe what are you afraid of? You know, what are
you afraid of. You've got a governor who campaign on this,
by the way, and one one election and he's at
the rape payers in in his you know his Yeah, yeah,
I don't understand, uh. And one would think that there's
(05:09):
something that the hogs that administration knows that we don't know.
But a S which is a is a cash cow
for uh. You know, it's the old I p L.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
About to be bought by black Rock too. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, and that that gives me a pause as well.
You you if a s UH International, because this is
enormous global company, uh, and they only have a couple
of utilities, one in Ohio that's small, and then a
couple down in the in California and the LA area.
(05:42):
And this is a cash cow for a S International.
And I've always had a problem because I had a
district that that's as served and if the wind blew
in parts of the Geist area in Lawrence Township, they'd
have brownouts and they had a lot of service problems.
And I'm just very concerned. You know, the federal government
(06:05):
comes involved here too.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
This is a massive deal because it's a total betrayal
of the people of Central Indiana, of the city of
Indianapolis now just numbers wise according to Abdul, and this
is what we're talking about, such a small drop in
the bucket. People are still according to ab Duel, the
average system wide rate increase would still go up almost
five percent. We're not talking about a small number. And
(06:28):
the total amount of revenue that as is conceding here
is one hundred and eleven million dollars and they're still
going to be generating almost two billion dollars of new revenue.
So I mean, you got relatively nothing. Now. The City
of Indianapol is going to get a bunch of freebies
out of this, so it's going to help them, like
(06:48):
the city itself, the entity. So Jesse Brown'll be with
us at nine to thirty from the city County Council
to talk about this. He is very upset, so we'll
do that. In the meantime, there's another scandal involving the
Hawks set administration. It's a day that ends and why
And I'm sure you saw Jim earlier this week. The
big XP wasa that Indie Star and Mirror Indie had
(07:09):
yeah very well, yeah, very well written. Peter Blancher was
involved in it. Tony Cook was involved in putting this together,
not the scandal, but the reporting on the scandal about
another thing involving Thomas Carl Cook, the right hand man
for years of the mayor, who then went on to
work for a major law firm in the city of Indianapolis,
and how Cook was involved in a romantic relationship with
(07:30):
a woman in city government who was helping decide where
city incentives went. And a lot of the city incentives,
at least according to their reporting, eighty million dollars in
city incentives were delegated to people that were clients of
Thomas Carl Cook. So you had this woman making choices
on where money went, incentives went, and she helped steer
(07:55):
eighty million dollars of incentives according to this reporting, to
clients of a guy she was involved in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
With, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Very much. So and when people read this, uh they've
got they've got it's chock full facts and and what
and what they've discovered there it happened, and uh, it
just it demeans the political process, The demeans government, and
it just adds on to the fact that people don't
trust government. The credibility of government is is is is
(08:26):
lower today than it was yesterday. And they did a
very good job of writing this article. And UH and
and the Indianapolis Star has kind of shied away from
uh being critical of the Hogs and administration do anymore.
But you know that Joe people would disagree with that. Yeah, okay,
so real quicker. I want to get to this. So
(08:48):
friends of Art Fox Route nine, Russ McQuaid was the reporter.
He caught up with hog Set and we had a keV.
They did, you know, a long piece of Art Foxertenine
news report or around this. But here's a little montage
of Joe hog Set essentially telling Russ McQuaid Fox fifty
nine to kiss his butt cheeks and that there's nothing
(09:10):
to see here with another scandal with Thomas Carl Cook.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Russ, I'm not going to speculate on personnel related matters.
There is absolutely no indication that anything inappropriate was done.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Legal Erside is the city. You can have him at
the table, but we're not going to do business with him.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, I you know that's a matter of speculation, Russ.
And I'm not going to I'm not gonna fall him in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
He is such a liar. It does not appearcord to
the Mere Indie Indie Star article that the facts are
in dispute on any of this, that this guy, I mean,
the text messages, et cetera show there was something going
on between these two and this money went to these
people who Cook was representing for hogs At acting like
there's nothing to see her. That's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, and you know, good on Russ McQuay, one of
our best in the media and longtime media A member
and very good at what he does. And too, I'm
surprised he could get Joe on the on the line
here because they keep him in a you know, on
a tube and you know they talking to the mayor
is very difficult. And uh, good on him and and
(10:16):
uh kind of what a mishmash spaghetti bowl and and
he really said nothing, which said a lot
Oh, this is gonna come as a shocked all of
you and listener land. But Joe Hawks said has stabbed
the people of Indianapolis in the back. It's the Kennel
and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's out today. Oh boy,
we got the perfect person with us today to talk
about this because he knows energy, thirty years in need.
He had us at the Great Gym Merritt and.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
And I know hog set too.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Weren't you guys like frat brothers.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
We were brothers. Yep, that's right. That's crazy to run together.
We had the we won the All campus cross country meet.
He and I this is indian Yeah, yeah, I say
he won it. We used to run together.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Now, think about how your lives. I mean they were
entwined through politics, but you became a decent, respected, esteemed
member of society.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
And then and then there's some people might argue about that.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You ain't hog set no matter what. Okay, So the
big news that came out yesterday and by the way,
Jesse Brown, remember the Indianapolis City County Council is going
to be with us at nine to thirty talk about this.
And he is on a rampage and he should be,
because this is disgusting. So it came out last night
that Joe Hogg Set the City of Indianapolis, which is
(01:15):
Joe hog set, let's call it what it is. The
City of Indianapolis has struck a deal with AEES, which
is the major utility provider for electric provider for the
City of Indianapolis, that they will not object to AES
raising rates, but just not by as much as they
(01:36):
were going to raise the rate before. And this comes
at a time Jim, in which the governor has clearly
stated that whoever he's going to point to this i
U r C. Which we'll get to that later with you,
because you're on that board that's going to make some
of those recommendations, his major driver is going to be
no rate increases. He's got this new consumer advocate who's
totally on the public side of no rate increases and
(01:58):
in fact is not only objecting to a s IS
proposed rate increase, but it said the rate should be lower.
All the momentum is on the side of not having
rate increases for consumers, and then the Hawks and administration
goes in and cuts this deal. This is simply disgusting
beyond beliefle and it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
It is unbelievable. And Robert, thank you very much, good morning,
and uh good moaning all uh this uh we everybody
has to understand that energy is at the center point
of everything that we do. And uh and and energy
and the rates, the power and a S is in
(02:38):
central Indiana. And I really find this hard to believe
that they're they're cutting off the conversation when when uh,
when the governor appointed Abby Gray as a consumer counselor
uh and she made the the the bold U pronouncement
that she is against the ae S increases this this
(03:02):
U this rate case.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
And then the governor showed this emoji on on social
media of clapping and he supported that.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
So we're on each side of Market Street of Indianapolis.
We've got two competing uh situations here to two competing viewpoints.
And and I'm just not the devils in the details,
but shame on the Hugs administration for not letting this
play out with the I R C, with the consumer
(03:35):
counselor and and uh and it's just uh, you just
kind of wonder what's around the corner here.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
Okay, So let's and By the way, Duel has a
pretty nice breakdown of all this over at Indie politics
dot org if you want to kind of read the
ABC's of this. But basically so kind of just reset
as it proposed another big rate increase. They just had
one at whatever it was eighteen months ago or something
like that, they wanted another one. It's in front of
the i u r C, the India Utility Regulatory Commission,
(04:04):
and now the i u r C can still reject this.
They can still say no, City of Indianapolis. And by
the way, there were other major players, utility users, mega
companies that have signed on to this lowered rate increase agreement.
But the i u r C still has the final say.
They have the ability to say no, you guys have
(04:25):
raised enough, We're done here.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Yeah, And the i r C does have the I
think they should play this out. They will play this out.
We'll talk about this a little later. But the i
r C is almost like a judicial they're the judge.
They make the decision. That consumer counselor has their part.
And I'm not sure you kind of wonder, Joe mayor,
(04:49):
Joe what are you afraid of? You know, what are
you afraid of. You've got a governor who campaign on this,
by the way, and one one election and he's at
the rape payers in in his you know his Yeah, yeah,
I don't understand, uh. And one would think that there's
(05:09):
something that the hogs that administration knows that we don't know.
But a S which is a is a cash cow
for uh. You know, it's the old I p L.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
About to be bought by black Rock too. Well.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yeah, and that that gives me a pause as well.
You you if a s UH International, because this is
enormous global company, uh, and they only have a couple
of utilities, one in Ohio that's small, and then a
couple down in the in California and the LA area.
(05:42):
And this is a cash cow for a S International.
And I've always had a problem because I had a
district that that's as served and if the wind blew
in parts of the Geist area in Lawrence Township, they'd
have brownouts and they had a lot of service problems.
And I'm just very concerned. You know, the federal government
(06:05):
comes involved here too.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
This is a massive deal because it's a total betrayal
of the people of Central Indiana, of the city of
Indianapolis now just numbers wise according to Abdul, and this
is what we're talking about, such a small drop in
the bucket. People are still according to ab Duel, the
average system wide rate increase would still go up almost
five percent. We're not talking about a small number. And
(06:28):
the total amount of revenue that as is conceding here
is one hundred and eleven million dollars and they're still
going to be generating almost two billion dollars of new revenue.
So I mean, you got relatively nothing. Now. The City
of Indianapol is going to get a bunch of freebies
out of this, so it's going to help them, like
(06:48):
the city itself, the entity. So Jesse Brown'll be with
us at nine to thirty from the city County Council
to talk about this. He is very upset, so we'll
do that. In the meantime, there's another scandal involving the
Hawks set administration. It's a day that ends and why
And I'm sure you saw Jim earlier this week. The
big XP wasa that Indie Star and Mirror Indie had
(07:09):
yeah very well, yeah, very well written. Peter Blancher was
involved in it. Tony Cook was involved in putting this together,
not the scandal, but the reporting on the scandal about
another thing involving Thomas Carl Cook, the right hand man
for years of the mayor, who then went on to
work for a major law firm in the city of Indianapolis,
and how Cook was involved in a romantic relationship with
(07:30):
a woman in city government who was helping decide where
city incentives went. And a lot of the city incentives,
at least according to their reporting, eighty million dollars in
city incentives were delegated to people that were clients of
Thomas Carl Cook. So you had this woman making choices
on where money went, incentives went, and she helped steer
(07:55):
eighty million dollars of incentives according to this reporting, to
clients of a guy she was involved in a relationship.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
With, and you know.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Very much. So and when people read this, uh they've
got they've got it's chock full facts and and what
and what they've discovered there it happened, and uh, it
just it demeans the political process, The demeans government, and
it just adds on to the fact that people don't
trust government. The credibility of government is is is is
(08:26):
lower today than it was yesterday. And they did a
very good job of writing this article. And UH and
and the Indianapolis Star has kind of shied away from
uh being critical of the Hogs and administration do anymore.
But you know that Joe people would disagree with that. Yeah, okay,
so real quicker. I want to get to this. So
(08:48):
friends of Art Fox Route nine, Russ McQuaid was the reporter.
He caught up with hog Set and we had a keV.
They did, you know, a long piece of Art Foxertenine
news report or around this. But here's a little montage
of Joe hog Set essentially telling Russ McQuaid Fox fifty
nine to kiss his butt cheeks and that there's nothing
(09:10):
to see here with another scandal with Thomas Carl Cook.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Russ, I'm not going to speculate on personnel related matters.
There is absolutely no indication that anything inappropriate was done.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Legal Erside is the city. You can have him at
the table, but we're not going to do business with him.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Well, I you know that's a matter of speculation, Russ.
And I'm not going to I'm not gonna fall him in.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
He is such a liar. It does not appearcord to
the Mere Indie Indie Star article that the facts are
in dispute on any of this, that this guy, I mean,
the text messages, et cetera show there was something going
on between these two and this money went to these
people who Cook was representing for hogs At acting like
there's nothing to see her. That's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Yeah, and you know, good on Russ McQuay, one of
our best in the media and longtime media A member
and very good at what he does. And too, I'm
surprised he could get Joe on the on the line
here because they keep him in a you know, on
a tube and you know they talking to the mayor
is very difficult. And uh, good on him and and
(10:16):
uh kind of what a mishmash spaghetti bowl and and
he really said nothing, which said a lot
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