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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, has been indicted.
It's overclassified documents. It's all over classified documents these days.
What do we make of it? It's Kenlly Casey, show
him Rob Case's out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night
on the Circle in for Casey. Before we get to
this programming note coming up at ten o'clock, bo Bi
Democrat candidate for Secretary of State, will be with us
(00:23):
and a lot of people are interested with what he
has to say. So that's coming up at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So John Bolton, he was a national security guru the
Trump the Bush administration, and then for some reason Trump
brought him on even though he appears to be in
direct his philosophy philosophically in direct contrast, I mean, he
seems to want to bomb everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, kill them all. Turned the entire continent into glassy
as the John Bolton foreign policy philosophy, Which is very
odd that Trump picked him, because Trump has kind of
prided himself on being the peace president and keeping us
out of wars and military onflicks.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But he made the choice and then so Bolten, it
didn't go well, which I think everybody saw that coming
his time with Trump, and then he became a fierce
critic of the Trump administration after he was let go
quit whatever you want to call it. And now he
finds himself under indictment over bringing classified documents into his
(01:22):
home and then sharing them with people VI electronic messaging.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
If the reports are true, then he deserves this indictment
because his handling of classified information was even domer than
Hillary Clinton. Remember she had her private server. He didn't
keep this stuff on a private server. He put it
on Google. He put it on his private email and
then sent this to family members. So you want to
talk about misappropriation and mishandling a very sensitive information that
(01:48):
was later hacked by Iran. This is an investigation that
does I understand it goes back to twenty twenty two
in the Biden demonstration. So you can't even say, oh,
it's Donald Trump exacting political revenge on his opponents. No, known,
this goes back years now.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, So CNN has a big deep dive on this,
and you're right, Ethan. One of the big things is
he alerted I think it was the FBI that his
email in twenty twenty two was hacked and it was
an Iranian believed to be an Iranian actor that got
in there and got the information. And Craig Collins played
this on the show this morning. Craig was in for
(02:24):
Tony that Bolton is a complete hypocrite because he was
all over the news shows when Trump was under investigation
and then later indictment over hand handing classified documents, saying
throw the book at it. They're all hypocrites, rob But
Joe Biden was keeping classified documents next to his corvette
in the garage. So eighteen counts of the indictment here
(02:45):
is MSNBC as the indictment came down in real time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, so John Bolton was charged with eighteen federal count
and I apologize, I'm going to look down. I'm reading this.
We're still just getting this. We have the first eight
counts our transmission of national defence information. The second set
of nine counts that counts nine through eighteen is retention
of national defense information. And that looks like it's US
(03:09):
Code Title nineteen, Section seven ninety three d and E,
which is part of the Espionage Act. Now, there was
another statute that they were considering, and it looks like
they've only charged him with those Espionage Act statutes.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But we're still.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Reading through this indictment. It's twenty six pages long. There's
a lot of background information here, and I apologize, but
we're literally just getting this in right now.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, And I think the big thing, and again, you know,
we'll see what comes of this, is that via electronic messaging,
he was transmitting these documents to people in his family.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean it gets even stupid or
because this comes from a lot of private notes that
he was taking and writing down by hand in a notepad,
which is already, you know, not an ideal way to
handle sensitive information, but at least it can't be reproduced.
You upload those handwritten notes to a digital device, which
(04:03):
is exactly what was going on. John. You've defeated the
purpose of a handwritten note. John, Yeah, I mean, it's
one thing to say.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And actually his defense seems to center on the fact
of well leaders, government leaders for years have kept handwritten there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It is one thing to have the documents on your person. Look,
I think I think we maybe get a little stringent
on this, like people are moving countless files, et cetera,
especially president's vice president. Is their malicious intent, you know,
I think that's part of it. But it's one thing
to have it on your person. Hey, I brought this
box of stuff home with me, you know, made a
(04:38):
mistake whatever. But then to be as you said, taking
these correspondents and then uploading them to the Internet where
anybody can and apparently did get into them, that's another story,
not just.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
The Internet, but specifically Google and as anybody who has
an ounce of knowledge about the technology industry. Google checks
everything that is uploaded to your Google Drive. AI is
constantly scanning and attempting to moderate potentially illicit or illegal,
highly you know, sensitive materials that are moving through their servers.
Google knows anything that you're putting on to a Google Drive,
(05:12):
Google can access. So Trump Trump got asked about Bolton,
and in classic Trump fashion, he had something to say,
just indicted by.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
A Branduria and Maryland.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Do you have a reaction to that.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I didn't know that you told me for the first time.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But I think he's, you know, a bad person. I
think he's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
A bad guy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, he's a bad guy, too bad.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But that's the way it goes That's the way it goes, right,
that's the way it goes. Well, I would have you
reviewed the case against him.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I haven't, but I just think he's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Anybody else I love that me have no idea this
was going on. Yeah, sure, buddy, but I think he's
a horrible person. I can believe that Trump hasn't reviewed
the case. No, I don't think he's reviewed the case.
But I think he knew exactly what was going for sure. Sure, right.
And I torn on this because on one end, it
really does start to seem like when you rapid time,
(06:06):
you have Letitia James, Homie Bolton, James Coby, former FBI
Director of Latita James, Attorney General New York, and now Bolton,
fierce vocal, high profile critics, all being indicted within what
a couple weeks of each other. This does sort of
seem like using your office to get at your enemies.
But then I stop and go, well, they totally did
(06:28):
it to him first, But does that excuse I don't
know if that excuses you doing it back to them.
I have concerns as an American citizen about all of this,
As we said repeatedly when they were doing it to Trump,
that this seems very wrong. It also sort of seems
wrong that Trump is doing it back. But you in
federal prison, you know you might be a little pissed
(06:50):
off too.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
They backed the wrong horse. They were happy to dance
on Donald Trump's grave when they thought it was going
to be another four years of Biden or Kamala Harris.
And then now you know, the winds of.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Fate have changed, all right, speaking of Trump, So I
thought there was there. You know, there's this big cease
fire in the Hamas Israel conflict, working towards a peace agreement.
Everybody's very excited what we say. We said, well, wait
a second, now, let's just hold everything. This is a
nice day that these hostages are coming home. But how
many times have we heard peace in our time? And
(07:21):
then very quickly everything just disintegrates again.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I can't believe that a couple pages of a peace
treaty didn't solve thousands of years of ethnic and religious hatred. Rob,
I'm really shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Apparently Hamas is still doing bad things, and Donald Trump
wanted to send a message to them. So I'd like
to do a dramatic reading of the the I don't
know if this this tweet or truth or wherever it
was he put this on social media. I'd like to
do a dramatic reading. If that's all right, Oh, absolutely,
here we go.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, not the deal,
we will have no choice.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
But to go in and kill them.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So the Hamasa is under control, it seems to not
be going so well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Do these people not realize that they're on a territory
like a third of the size of the city of
Indianapolis limits it would be very easy for the United
States to completely obliterate them.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's just fascinating to me though, that, like we totally
called it. We're like, these people may do things in
the moment to benefit them for self survival, but this
is not Scrooge waking up after being visited by three ghosts.
They're not gonna change. They never change. They don't want peace,
they don't care about you know, like we said Saudi Arabia,
you can deal with them because they want money, they
(08:56):
like stuff, they like prestige, they like power. These people
they're just out to do damage.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I've already seen that they're harassing their own citizens who
helped Israel in some way. Or who are attempting to
leave the borders of Gaza like these people are monstrous,
murderous savages yep.
Trump's former national security advisor, John Bolton, has been indicted.
It's overclassified documents. It's all over classified documents these days.
What do we make of it? It's Kenlly Casey, show
him Rob Case's out today. Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night
on the Circle in for Casey. Before we get to
this programming note coming up at ten o'clock, bo Bi
Democrat candidate for Secretary of State, will be with us
(00:23):
and a lot of people are interested with what he
has to say. So that's coming up at ten o'clock.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
All right.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
So John Bolton, he was a national security guru the
Trump the Bush administration, and then for some reason Trump
brought him on even though he appears to be in
direct his philosophy philosophically in direct contrast, I mean, he
seems to want to bomb everyone.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Yeah, kill them all. Turned the entire continent into glassy
as the John Bolton foreign policy philosophy, Which is very
odd that Trump picked him, because Trump has kind of
prided himself on being the peace president and keeping us
out of wars and military onflicks.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
But he made the choice and then so Bolten, it
didn't go well, which I think everybody saw that coming
his time with Trump, and then he became a fierce
critic of the Trump administration after he was let go
quit whatever you want to call it. And now he
finds himself under indictment over bringing classified documents into his
(01:22):
home and then sharing them with people VI electronic messaging.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
If the reports are true, then he deserves this indictment
because his handling of classified information was even domer than
Hillary Clinton. Remember she had her private server. He didn't
keep this stuff on a private server. He put it
on Google. He put it on his private email and
then sent this to family members. So you want to
talk about misappropriation and mishandling a very sensitive information that
(01:48):
was later hacked by Iran. This is an investigation that
does I understand it goes back to twenty twenty two
in the Biden demonstration. So you can't even say, oh,
it's Donald Trump exacting political revenge on his opponents. No, known,
this goes back years now.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Yeah, So CNN has a big deep dive on this,
and you're right, Ethan. One of the big things is
he alerted I think it was the FBI that his
email in twenty twenty two was hacked and it was
an Iranian believed to be an Iranian actor that got
in there and got the information. And Craig Collins played
this on the show this morning. Craig was in for
(02:24):
Tony that Bolton is a complete hypocrite because he was
all over the news shows when Trump was under investigation
and then later indictment over hand handing classified documents, saying
throw the book at it. They're all hypocrites, rob But
Joe Biden was keeping classified documents next to his corvette
in the garage. So eighteen counts of the indictment here
(02:45):
is MSNBC as the indictment came down in real time.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, so John Bolton was charged with eighteen federal count
and I apologize, I'm going to look down. I'm reading this.
We're still just getting this. We have the first eight
counts our transmission of national defence information. The second set
of nine counts that counts nine through eighteen is retention
of national defense information. And that looks like it's US
(03:09):
Code Title nineteen, Section seven ninety three d and E,
which is part of the Espionage Act. Now, there was
another statute that they were considering, and it looks like
they've only charged him with those Espionage Act statutes.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
But we're still.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Reading through this indictment. It's twenty six pages long. There's
a lot of background information here, and I apologize, but
we're literally just getting this in right now.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Okay, And I think the big thing, and again, you know,
we'll see what comes of this, is that via electronic messaging,
he was transmitting these documents to people in his family.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah. Yeah, no, I mean it gets even stupid or
because this comes from a lot of private notes that
he was taking and writing down by hand in a notepad,
which is already, you know, not an ideal way to
handle sensitive information, but at least it can't be reproduced.
You upload those handwritten notes to a digital device, which
(04:03):
is exactly what was going on. John. You've defeated the
purpose of a handwritten note. John, Yeah, I mean, it's
one thing to say.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
And actually his defense seems to center on the fact
of well leaders, government leaders for years have kept handwritten there.
Speaker 3 (04:16):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (04:17):
It is one thing to have the documents on your person. Look,
I think I think we maybe get a little stringent
on this, like people are moving countless files, et cetera,
especially president's vice president. Is their malicious intent, you know,
I think that's part of it. But it's one thing
to have it on your person. Hey, I brought this
box of stuff home with me, you know, made a
(04:38):
mistake whatever. But then to be as you said, taking
these correspondents and then uploading them to the Internet where
anybody can and apparently did get into them, that's another story,
not just.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
The Internet, but specifically Google and as anybody who has
an ounce of knowledge about the technology industry. Google checks
everything that is uploaded to your Google Drive. AI is
constantly scanning and attempting to moderate potentially illicit or illegal,
highly you know, sensitive materials that are moving through their servers.
Google knows anything that you're putting on to a Google Drive,
(05:12):
Google can access. So Trump Trump got asked about Bolton,
and in classic Trump fashion, he had something to say,
just indicted by.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
A Branduria and Maryland.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Do you have a reaction to that.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
I didn't know that you told me for the first time.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
But I think he's, you know, a bad person. I
think he's.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
A bad guy.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Yeah, he's a bad guy, too bad.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
But that's the way it goes That's the way it goes, right,
that's the way it goes. Well, I would have you
reviewed the case against him.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
No, I haven't.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
I haven't, but I just think he's a bad person.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Anybody else I love that me have no idea this
was going on. Yeah, sure, buddy, but I think he's
a horrible person. I can believe that Trump hasn't reviewed
the case. No, I don't think he's reviewed the case.
But I think he knew exactly what was going for sure. Sure, right.
And I torn on this because on one end, it
really does start to seem like when you rapid time,
(06:06):
you have Letitia James, Homie Bolton, James Coby, former FBI
Director of Latita James, Attorney General New York, and now Bolton,
fierce vocal, high profile critics, all being indicted within what
a couple weeks of each other. This does sort of
seem like using your office to get at your enemies.
But then I stop and go, well, they totally did
(06:28):
it to him first, But does that excuse I don't
know if that excuses you doing it back to them.
I have concerns as an American citizen about all of this,
As we said repeatedly when they were doing it to Trump,
that this seems very wrong. It also sort of seems
wrong that Trump is doing it back. But you in
federal prison, you know you might be a little pissed
(06:50):
off too.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
They backed the wrong horse. They were happy to dance
on Donald Trump's grave when they thought it was going
to be another four years of Biden or Kamala Harris.
And then now you know, the winds of.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Fate have changed, all right, speaking of Trump, So I
thought there was there. You know, there's this big cease
fire in the Hamas Israel conflict, working towards a peace agreement.
Everybody's very excited what we say. We said, well, wait
a second, now, let's just hold everything. This is a
nice day that these hostages are coming home. But how
many times have we heard peace in our time? And
(07:21):
then very quickly everything just disintegrates again.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I can't believe that a couple pages of a peace
treaty didn't solve thousands of years of ethnic and religious hatred. Rob,
I'm really shocked by that.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Apparently Hamas is still doing bad things, and Donald Trump
wanted to send a message to them. So I'd like
to do a dramatic reading of the the I don't
know if this this tweet or truth or wherever it
was he put this on social media. I'd like to
do a dramatic reading. If that's all right, Oh, absolutely,
here we go.
Speaker 4 (07:55):
If Hamas continues to kill people in Gaza, not the deal,
we will have no choice.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
But to go in and kill them.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
So the Hamasa is under control, it seems to not
be going so well.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
Do these people not realize that they're on a territory
like a third of the size of the city of
Indianapolis limits it would be very easy for the United
States to completely obliterate them.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
It's just fascinating to me though, that, like we totally
called it. We're like, these people may do things in
the moment to benefit them for self survival, but this
is not Scrooge waking up after being visited by three ghosts.
They're not gonna change. They never change. They don't want peace,
they don't care about you know, like we said Saudi Arabia,
you can deal with them because they want money, they
(08:56):
like stuff, they like prestige, they like power. These people
they're just out to do damage.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
I've already seen that they're harassing their own citizens who
helped Israel in some way. Or who are attempting to
leave the borders of Gaza like these people are monstrous,
murderous savages yep.
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