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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, So speaking of redistricting, Yeah, there's a group
that's involved in reshaping the congressional districts. They have created
a new political committee called Fair Maps Indiana Action.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's a new super pack.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Okay, now this is what this is. Marty orbs Marty
is he's not a fan of mine. We've had some
fun on the social media here the past. It well,
it is fun for me. I don't think it's fun
for him. Yeah, but they're pledging what now, They're going
to spend big money to defeat any person who listens
to their constituents and doesn't want to go along with
(00:33):
altering the maps.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's his thing.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
He's big mad that the lawmakers are listening to poll
after poll after poll that shows people in the state
don't want redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are paying
attention to the couple of the public town halls that
have been had in which almost nobody showed up in
some part of redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are
looking at the clear results of these rallies that were
(00:58):
had in which one had what thirty people, then the
next one might might have gotten one hundred, but then
it got determined that a bunch of those people were
media or turning Point USA people.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Some of them don't even live in our state.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So he's mat like, this is always my question to
the people who are threatening the lawmakers, your case at
the door, because that's where elections get won, right, Your
case at the door is going to be what, Like
I'm going to playing this out in my mind. Hello,
missus Smith, I'm here for whatever organization this this thing
(01:30):
is calling itself, and we're here lobbying against your state
Senator Joe so and so.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh what has Joe done? Well?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He voted against redistricting. Oh, you mean the thing that
was in line with how his constituents felt about the issue. Like,
what is the case on this? What you chose your
constituents over Trump. I don't understand why they think this
is some magic bullet that is going to like intimidate
these people into doing what they want.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So the organization has publicly warned lawmakers, vote yes, we
will support you. Vote no, They're going to fund a
strong primary opponent to defeat you. And I'm wondering, is
that working against some of these lawmakers?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Okay, Logically, let's work through this. Logically, right.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
First of all, if you're talking about somebody up in
twenty six, you're telling me in a month you're going
to find like you're going to scour there's all these
lawmakers you're mad at, and what are you going to
disperse foot soldiers out all across the state to find
quality candidates to defeat incumbents. I don't know, if you've
seen the incumbent reelection rate, it's pretty high. And you
got to find usually a pretty good candidate to defeat
(02:38):
an incumbent. That isn't going to happen. Second of all,
you may raise some money, but in an election year
where the majority of the big money is going to
be going to hotly contested swing state congressional Senate races,
you're not going to raise big enough money to move
the needle across the entire state. And then, third, if
(02:59):
we're talking about people in twenty eight, nobody's even going
to remember this. In twenty twenty eight, we will be
onto a new presidential election, all sorts of new Senate races,
all sorts of all sorts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Of new issues.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Like I would come on like it said, it's utterly
ridiculous that these guys are huffing and puffing. Now, if
you had said, and this is what pisses so many
people off, Marty, where were you and you boys when
we were trying to help millions of people with property taxes?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Where were you?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Then that's actually a thing that moves the needle on people.
If you knocked on Missus Smith's door and said, hey,
I'm here running against Joe so and so who screwed
you on your property taxes and you're going to pay
five hundred or one thousand dollars more a year because
of this guy, that's something that would move the people.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now you have my attention.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But Marty and his pals were nowhere to be found then,
So I mean, like, this is what angers somebody going.
It's amazing the yes people can't see this. You folks
were nowhere to be found when we were begging for
help to actually help people, not help Donald Trump, not
help the DC insider class, not help keep some Republican
(04:06):
majority that hasn't done anything for anybody. We were out
there begging to help actual people with an actual issue
that is actually affecting their lives. And for some reason,
all of these various yes groups, Marty the turning point USA. People,
they can't get it through their thick skulls that this
is why people aren't on their side because you weren't there.
(04:28):
You guys, weren't there these causes, these whatevers weren't there
when people needed actual help.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Why should we stand with you now?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Fair Maps Indiana part of a larger conservative nonprofit called
Defending America's Comeback. So let's talk about what super packs
can do. They can't spend unlimited money to support or
oppose candidates. They cannot give money directly to candidates or
coordinate directly with campaigns. They can take unlimited donations from individuals, corporations,
(04:57):
or unions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Here's one of the problems with the suit pack though,
And I guess in politics there's so much money now
that maybe it doesn't matter. But when a candidate buys
a commercial on terrestrial radio or television so WIBC, WISH TV, whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They get what is called the lowest rate.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So when you char when our radio station charges advertisers
to advertise, they have you know, different prices, different tiers, whatever,
There is a bottom point, right, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So they call that the lowest rate. You as a candidate.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
This is how crooked and rigged politics is they have
passed the regulations that require you to give that the
official campaign of the candidate. Right, I'm not talking about
friends of or what I'm talking about the official this
is my election or reelection campaign. Everybody gets the lowest rate.
The super pack does not. The super pac pays the
premium rate price, and so it is much more expensive
(05:57):
in many cases for super packs to run at versus
the candidates themselves. So the bang for the buck oftentimes
doesn't go nearly as far with the political super pac.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So far, Fair Maps has already spent over two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars promoting redistricting, and they're saying more
to come. They've got Carlin Yoder as their treasurer. That's
the same Carlin that we've had in here. I thought
he was gonna he was considering a run against Todd Young.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, he is. He's supposedly gonna run against him against Todd. Yeah.
I mean, look, who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
If I were Carlin, I would just run, just run
a still shot of Todd in front of the Fidel
Castro photo.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean, that would be my entire campaign. But either
neither here nor there. I'm sure they won't be asking
my advice.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But again, it comes back to you have wasted all
of this capital, all of this resources, all of these
all of this time, all this money on something that
most people are at best indifferent about, and those who
have an opinion on it are against it. What is
the win here other than subserviency to Donald Trump. They're
so afraid of Trump, and that's what this is all about.
(06:58):
And I think that's what's so frustrated to people.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Two extra US House seats in twenty twenty six, that's
what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But again, because I had a conversation with somebody last
night about and it was this was a very well
meaning person listener of this program. Every so often, A
lot of times like I just get so many correspondents,
I can't reply to all of them. But sometimes i'll
see when I go, Okay, that's interesting, I'll try to
write back to this person. And they were genuinely asking
about this. Oh man, I almost said it. This bs
that guys like Braun and Mike and the rest of
(07:28):
these people put out, well, this Northeastern state as zero
Republicans in Congress, How is that fair? Well, they What
they don't tell you is that state might have two
representatives because it's a small state, a place like Rhode Island,
and it's seventy or sixty percent Democrat. What should they
(07:50):
just carve up a district for the Republicans one of
the two just because we all exist. Would Indiana do that? No,
certainly not. Massachusetts is the big one.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Again.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I've challenged any person, and there are these websites where
you can draw your own districts, you can make your
own maps that they're free.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Anybody can go use them.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I've yet to see a single solitary person who can
draw any more than one Leans Republican district in Massachusetts.
And that's only if you make most of the other
districts at best seventy thirty Democrat.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The Massachusetts is eight.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
To zero because it's an overwhelwhelming Democrat state. The power
of Boston, which we don't have here in Indiana in
terms of Indianapolis not being as powerful as Boston, and
the Democrats are spread out across the state. It is
just ridiculous, Gobblygook that these people throw out anything to
try to get you on their side. The reality is
the Republicans started with Texas. Fine, California responded, Fine, it's
(08:48):
a net wash on this and we are not required
to hand over seats to bad Republican governance in Indiana
just because Donald Trump can't win by governing because he's
not doing the thing he was elected to do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The bill needs twenty five votes in the Senate, with
the Lieutenant governor breaking the tie if needed. So far,
according to Indie Star an article they just put out,
fifteen Republicans have publicly supported the bill, at least twelve
opposit and two so far have not stated a position.
All right, So speaking of redistricting, Yeah, there's a group
that's involved in reshaping the congressional districts. They have created
a new political committee called Fair Maps Indiana Action.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It's a new super pack.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Okay, now this is what this is. Marty orbs Marty
is he's not a fan of mine. We've had some
fun on the social media here the past. It well,
it is fun for me. I don't think it's fun
for him. Yeah, but they're pledging what now, They're going
to spend big money to defeat any person who listens
to their constituents and doesn't want to go along with
(00:33):
altering the maps.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
That's his thing.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
He's big mad that the lawmakers are listening to poll
after poll after poll that shows people in the state
don't want redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are paying
attention to the couple of the public town halls that
have been had in which almost nobody showed up in
some part of redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are
looking at the clear results of these rallies that were
(00:58):
had in which one had what thirty people, then the
next one might might have gotten one hundred, but then
it got determined that a bunch of those people were
media or turning Point USA people.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Some of them don't even live in our state.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
So he's mat like, this is always my question to
the people who are threatening the lawmakers, your case at
the door, because that's where elections get won, right, Your
case at the door is going to be what, Like
I'm going to playing this out in my mind. Hello,
missus Smith, I'm here for whatever organization this this thing
(01:30):
is calling itself, and we're here lobbying against your state
Senator Joe so and so.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh what has Joe done? Well?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
He voted against redistricting. Oh, you mean the thing that
was in line with how his constituents felt about the issue. Like,
what is the case on this? What you chose your
constituents over Trump. I don't understand why they think this
is some magic bullet that is going to like intimidate
these people into doing what they want.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
So the organization has publicly warned lawmakers, vote yes, we
will support you. Vote no, They're going to fund a
strong primary opponent to defeat you. And I'm wondering, is
that working against some of these lawmakers?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Okay, Logically, let's work through this. Logically, right.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
First of all, if you're talking about somebody up in
twenty six, you're telling me in a month you're going
to find like you're going to scour there's all these
lawmakers you're mad at, and what are you going to
disperse foot soldiers out all across the state to find
quality candidates to defeat incumbents. I don't know, if you've
seen the incumbent reelection rate, it's pretty high. And you
got to find usually a pretty good candidate to defeat
(02:38):
an incumbent. That isn't going to happen. Second of all,
you may raise some money, but in an election year
where the majority of the big money is going to
be going to hotly contested swing state congressional Senate races,
you're not going to raise big enough money to move
the needle across the entire state. And then, third, if
(02:59):
we're talking about people in twenty eight, nobody's even going
to remember this. In twenty twenty eight, we will be
onto a new presidential election, all sorts of new Senate races,
all sorts of all sorts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Of new issues.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Like I would come on like it said, it's utterly
ridiculous that these guys are huffing and puffing. Now, if
you had said, and this is what pisses so many
people off, Marty, where were you and you boys when
we were trying to help millions of people with property taxes?
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Where were you?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Then that's actually a thing that moves the needle on people.
If you knocked on Missus Smith's door and said, hey,
I'm here running against Joe so and so who screwed
you on your property taxes and you're going to pay
five hundred or one thousand dollars more a year because
of this guy, that's something that would move the people.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Now you have my attention.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
But Marty and his pals were nowhere to be found then,
So I mean, like, this is what angers somebody going.
It's amazing the yes people can't see this. You folks
were nowhere to be found when we were begging for
help to actually help people, not help Donald Trump, not
help the DC insider class, not help keep some Republican
(04:06):
majority that hasn't done anything for anybody. We were out
there begging to help actual people with an actual issue
that is actually affecting their lives. And for some reason,
all of these various yes groups, Marty the turning point USA. People,
they can't get it through their thick skulls that this
is why people aren't on their side because you weren't there.
(04:28):
You guys, weren't there these causes, these whatevers weren't there
when people needed actual help.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Why should we stand with you now?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Fair Maps Indiana part of a larger conservative nonprofit called
Defending America's Comeback. So let's talk about what super packs
can do. They can't spend unlimited money to support or
oppose candidates. They cannot give money directly to candidates or
coordinate directly with campaigns. They can take unlimited donations from individuals, corporations,
(04:57):
or unions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Here's one of the problems with the suit pack though,
And I guess in politics there's so much money now
that maybe it doesn't matter. But when a candidate buys
a commercial on terrestrial radio or television so WIBC, WISH TV, whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
They get what is called the lowest rate.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
So when you char when our radio station charges advertisers
to advertise, they have you know, different prices, different tiers, whatever,
There is a bottom point, right, and.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So they call that the lowest rate. You as a candidate.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
This is how crooked and rigged politics is they have
passed the regulations that require you to give that the
official campaign of the candidate. Right, I'm not talking about
friends of or what I'm talking about the official this
is my election or reelection campaign. Everybody gets the lowest rate.
The super pack does not. The super pac pays the
premium rate price, and so it is much more expensive
(05:57):
in many cases for super packs to run at versus
the candidates themselves. So the bang for the buck oftentimes
doesn't go nearly as far with the political super pac.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
So far, Fair Maps has already spent over two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars promoting redistricting, and they're saying more
to come. They've got Carlin Yoder as their treasurer. That's
the same Carlin that we've had in here. I thought
he was gonna he was considering a run against Todd Young.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yeah, he is. He's supposedly gonna run against him against Todd. Yeah.
I mean, look, who knows.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
If I were Carlin, I would just run, just run
a still shot of Todd in front of the Fidel
Castro photo.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I mean, that would be my entire campaign. But either
neither here nor there. I'm sure they won't be asking
my advice.
Speaker 3 (06:37):
But again, it comes back to you have wasted all
of this capital, all of this resources, all of these
all of this time, all this money on something that
most people are at best indifferent about, and those who
have an opinion on it are against it. What is
the win here other than subserviency to Donald Trump. They're
so afraid of Trump, and that's what this is all about.
(06:58):
And I think that's what's so frustrated to people.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
Two extra US House seats in twenty twenty six, that's
what this is all about.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Right.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
But again, because I had a conversation with somebody last
night about and it was this was a very well
meaning person listener of this program. Every so often, A
lot of times like I just get so many correspondents,
I can't reply to all of them. But sometimes i'll
see when I go, Okay, that's interesting, I'll try to
write back to this person. And they were genuinely asking
about this. Oh man, I almost said it. This bs
that guys like Braun and Mike and the rest of
(07:28):
these people put out, well, this Northeastern state as zero
Republicans in Congress, How is that fair? Well, they What
they don't tell you is that state might have two
representatives because it's a small state, a place like Rhode Island,
and it's seventy or sixty percent Democrat. What should they
(07:50):
just carve up a district for the Republicans one of
the two just because we all exist. Would Indiana do that? No,
certainly not. Massachusetts is the big one.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
Again.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I've challenged any person, and there are these websites where
you can draw your own districts, you can make your
own maps that they're free.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Anybody can go use them.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I've yet to see a single solitary person who can
draw any more than one Leans Republican district in Massachusetts.
And that's only if you make most of the other
districts at best seventy thirty Democrat.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
The Massachusetts is eight.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
To zero because it's an overwhelwhelming Democrat state. The power
of Boston, which we don't have here in Indiana in
terms of Indianapolis not being as powerful as Boston, and
the Democrats are spread out across the state. It is
just ridiculous, Gobblygook that these people throw out anything to
try to get you on their side. The reality is
the Republicans started with Texas. Fine, California responded, Fine, it's
(08:48):
a net wash on this and we are not required
to hand over seats to bad Republican governance in Indiana
just because Donald Trump can't win by governing because he's
not doing the thing he was elected to do.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
The bill needs twenty five votes in the Senate, with
the Lieutenant governor breaking the tie if needed. So far,
according to Indie Star an article they just put out,
fifteen Republicans have publicly supported the bill, at least twelve
opposit and two so far have not stated a position.
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