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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, that was an eventful day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You were busy, weren't you.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yesterday was why I don't do anything nice for anybody?
Say more words, Well, because I just this is always
what happens. I try to help people out and then
I end up just ruining my whole day. And I've
already made the commitment. And you know me, if I
commit to do it, there's no more loyal person than me.
If I commit to doing something for you, I will
do it. And so yesterday I went over to the
Indiana State House and I hang out with all the
(00:24):
freaks and lunatics and so against the districting bill. Now, you, Casey,
we're the real hero at all of this, because look,
I wouldn't have put So I was asked by the
people who are against redistricting. They said, look, we need
a little bo star power. We need somebody kind of
bring some attention to this. We need They didn't say
it like this, but they're like, we need some people
(00:46):
who know how to articulate the message in a fashion
that might resonate with the people and you know, making
the call in the shots right. And this is of course,
in front of the Senate Election Committee. They heard the
redistricting bill yesterday. We'll get to the outcome, which, by
the way, how good a mine?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that was amazing. You and I were texting last
night about that, and you said, I think it's going
to come down six to three. Lo, and behold, that's
what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But not only did this, I think it was gonna
be six to three, I said, with very specifically who yeah,
and what they were going to say the three who
voted in favor, And I was exactly right, And we'll
get to that in a second. But they so they said, look,
will you go over there? Will you? Cause you got
to speak in two minutes. You got to look professionally
all that. They're like, okay, fine, I'll do it, and
then like everything else in my like, oh, it'll be quick.
(01:29):
You'll be in fast, to be out fast. It'll be fine.
The things start an hour later than I was told. Yeah,
I was there for two hours, so by the time
I was all in, it was three hours. To speak
for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Like I was like, where where are you? When
are you talking? I'm watching this thing to hear what
you had to say. And it just kept dragging on
and on. I mean, they were quick though, with the
two minutes fast on the buzzer, they were not letting
anyone go over.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
One hundred and twenty seven people signed up to speak.
Now I did not. I was probably number fifty, so
I did not stay for the whole thing. By the way,
that's like the way it works is they you know,
they the person speaking, and then they announced the people
that are after, so you can get in line to
go in and speak. And I was told this, and
then I felt it in the room. Right, my name
(02:17):
goes up on the board and they say your name.
And Gaskell, the guy who's running the meeting who once
came on our show, and just he was the guy
who came on our show. He went from Munsie, right,
he came on the show and told us how against
property taxes he was now crummy the system was and
now he was going to fight to make the system better.
And then he voted for that abomination of a bill
(02:37):
on property. You remember him, So he's he's heading this
committee up and he is like a ghost had just
like walked right in front of him when he saw
the name and said it, And of course everybody else
perks up, and people were tweeting about it, and and
I go in there and it is like the boogeyman
had entered the room, right, And so look, it was
(03:02):
overwhelmingly no the people who spoke.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The ninety nine people testified, eighty opposed, nineteen were in favor.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's pretty good that only twenty eight didn't didn't stay
around as long as that thing went on, because I
mean it was like five or six hours of people's speaking,
So that's pretty good. So what it was eighty eighty
to nineteen. Okay, so again overwhelmingly knows. Just like every
other event, people have been overwhelmingly against us. Now the
yes side got to memo. So here's what's fascinating the
Yes side because basically nobody showed up to speak in
(03:30):
favor of the last time. So they convinced all the
what I call the usual suspects. It's people go to everything,
it's the same faces, it's never anybody knew. It's the
same six or seven niche people that are left that
still believe anything that comes out of the mouth of
Braun or Micah. They got those people to go speak,
and they got them there early enough on the sign
end because they usually go on how you sign in
(03:51):
that they came up basically right out of the gate,
and so the early reports were like, oh my gosh,
there's so many more yes people here than the last time,
and then by the time it was all done, it
was the usual like overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The other thing that was interesting is all of those
people that appeared then went to a meeting with Braun
and Micah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
After did they had some water and coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Can you okay? So can you imagine some of these
people were, well, they're driving down that's all they got
at the residents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Not even snickers the governor's mansion, not even.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
A Snickers bar, okay. So A couple of things that
are fascinating about this to me. Number one the fact
that the sitting governor of the state of Indiana knows
his lieutenant governor is under grand jury investigation for multiple things,
Like it's irrefutable that's going on, and he is still
on the regular paling around with this guy, Like whatever
(04:42):
comes out of that, if it's anything, Braun can't do
the me so stupid me don't know routine because there
are multiple high profile events where he has been seen
arm in arm with Micah, the lieutenant governor whose office
is undergrand jury investigation right now, and Braun knows that
and he's still piling around with him. That is fascinating
to me. But the other part of this is, can
(05:02):
you imagine if you're somebody from Fort Wayne, like I
know some of those people who are very mad at me.
And we'll get to that in a second two because
one of them said something to me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But like you, you were popular.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You have to drive all the way down from Fort Wayne.
You have to be there for at least a couple hours,
even if you're speaking early. Get in line all too,
blah blah blah the other stuff. And your big reward
for that is coffee and water with them, with the
governor who is despised by our state and in his
stege assistant who is on whose office is under grand
(05:36):
jury investigation.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's your big.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Reward for ruining your whole day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. Well, for some of those people, that is a
reward because they want to be elbow to elbow with power.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
One of these people told me afterwards. They came up
to me and said, I'm very disappointed in you. Yeah,
And I looked at her and I said, get in line.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's long.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You're going to be waiting a while and we'll talk
about some of that later. But anyway, so overwhelming people
against this. As you mentioned, I spoke Ethan Hatcher, who's
going to join us here in just a little bit.
Get his take on the day yesterday he spoke.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They said they wanted to wrap it up by six o'clock.
At seven point forty one, they were finally taking the vote.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, went a little bit long. So so ultimately, so
I tweeted this out. I said this to Casey, uh
hours before they had the vote. I said, here's what's
going to happen, Casey, and oh gosh, darn it. It's
nine to thirteen on what is today, the ninth of December,
and it's my least favorite part of every show. We
(06:37):
got to do it in the opening segment, which is
where I have to tell everybody how right I was.
And did I not tell you? I said, Casey, here's
how this is going to go down. The vote is
going to be six to three in favor. Three of
them are going to say I'm voting solely to move
this forward for my fellow colleagues to be able to
vote on this. I am not committing to committed to
voting yes, and Casey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Exactly what happened?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What's exactly what?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, the only Republican to vote against the bill was
Greg Walker, and you had a couple of them, Rogers
and Donados say that they may change their vote on
the Senate floor. Good said the bill needs more vetting.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now. Greg Good is the guy. This is what's disgusting
about all this. Greg Good is the guy from Tera
HOAt who had had a town hall and not a
single person showed up in support. Seventy people showed up
to speak against and he still is undecided. Dude, had
it been eighty to zero, would that have suaded you?
This is what pisses me off about all of this.
(07:36):
You guys could have killed this yesterday. Rogers was Rogers
and Donado are the two who voted not to come
back back. I think the other two who voted to
move it forward but to hear from their constituents. I
think that's how it went down. You voted not to
come back just a couple of weeks ago. Kill it
and be done with it. But they don't want to smoke.
That's why they did this. They don't want to be
(07:58):
the ones to have killed it. They didn't want the smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So Senator Greg Walker he voted against it, and he
got very emotional at the end when they're taking the vote,
this is my favorite thing. They all want to comment
on the way they're voting. Sure, yes, here's how I'm
going to vote. But let me tell you why first.
And here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Permission to explain my vote very briefly. One of those
who testify today asked me to I'll read it again.
I think this is a direct quote to shed my
sense of fairness. Is that the kind of advice you
would give your children, or your grandchildren, or your nieces
(08:41):
and nephews.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh Jesus crying.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I will not shed my sense of fairness.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I vote.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's crying.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He was very emotional. He said the bill leaves no
room for wiggle and could be challenged in court.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But he was crying over a redistricting bill. No tears
for when people get screwed on property taxes. No tiers
when these utility bills rise every single year and are
pricing people out of being able to heat and cool
their homes. No tiers for the hundreds of millions in
corruption with the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Money taken from
(09:16):
poor and middle class people, given to the uber connected
and squandered.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No tears on that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But when these guys get affected by something, get out
of here,
Well, that was an eventful day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You were busy, weren't you.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Yesterday was why I don't do anything nice for anybody?
Say more words, Well, because I just this is always
what happens. I try to help people out and then
I end up just ruining my whole day. And I've
already made the commitment. And you know me, if I
commit to do it, there's no more loyal person than me.
If I commit to doing something for you, I will
do it. And so yesterday I went over to the
Indiana State House and I hang out with all the
(00:24):
freaks and lunatics and so against the districting bill. Now, you, Casey,
we're the real hero at all of this, because look,
I wouldn't have put So I was asked by the
people who are against redistricting. They said, look, we need
a little bo star power. We need somebody kind of
bring some attention to this. We need They didn't say
it like this, but they're like, we need some people
(00:46):
who know how to articulate the message in a fashion
that might resonate with the people and you know, making
the call in the shots right. And this is of course,
in front of the Senate Election Committee. They heard the
redistricting bill yesterday. We'll get to the outcome, which, by
the way, how good a mine?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that was amazing. You and I were texting last
night about that, and you said, I think it's going
to come down six to three. Lo, and behold, that's
what it was.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
But not only did this, I think it was gonna
be six to three, I said, with very specifically who yeah,
and what they were going to say the three who
voted in favor, And I was exactly right, And we'll
get to that in a second. But they so they said, look,
will you go over there? Will you? Cause you got
to speak in two minutes. You got to look professionally
all that. They're like, okay, fine, I'll do it, and
then like everything else in my like, oh, it'll be quick.
(01:29):
You'll be in fast, to be out fast. It'll be fine.
The things start an hour later than I was told. Yeah,
I was there for two hours, so by the time
I was all in, it was three hours. To speak
for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Like I was like, where where are you? When
are you talking? I'm watching this thing to hear what
you had to say. And it just kept dragging on
and on. I mean, they were quick though, with the
two minutes fast on the buzzer, they were not letting
anyone go over.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
One hundred and twenty seven people signed up to speak.
Now I did not. I was probably number fifty, so
I did not stay for the whole thing. By the way,
that's like the way it works is they you know,
they the person speaking, and then they announced the people
that are after, so you can get in line to
go in and speak. And I was told this, and
then I felt it in the room. Right, my name
(02:17):
goes up on the board and they say your name.
And Gaskell, the guy who's running the meeting who once
came on our show, and just he was the guy
who came on our show. He went from Munsie, right,
he came on the show and told us how against
property taxes he was now crummy the system was and
now he was going to fight to make the system better.
And then he voted for that abomination of a bill
(02:37):
on property. You remember him, So he's he's heading this
committee up and he is like a ghost had just
like walked right in front of him when he saw
the name and said it, And of course everybody else
perks up, and people were tweeting about it, and and
I go in there and it is like the boogeyman
had entered the room, right, And so look, it was
(03:02):
overwhelmingly no the people who spoke.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The ninety nine people testified, eighty opposed, nineteen were in favor.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
It's pretty good that only twenty eight didn't didn't stay
around as long as that thing went on, because I
mean it was like five or six hours of people's speaking,
So that's pretty good. So what it was eighty eighty
to nineteen. Okay, so again overwhelmingly knows. Just like every
other event, people have been overwhelmingly against us. Now the
yes side got to memo. So here's what's fascinating the
Yes side because basically nobody showed up to speak in
(03:30):
favor of the last time. So they convinced all the
what I call the usual suspects. It's people go to everything,
it's the same faces, it's never anybody knew. It's the
same six or seven niche people that are left that
still believe anything that comes out of the mouth of
Braun or Micah. They got those people to go speak,
and they got them there early enough on the sign
end because they usually go on how you sign in
(03:51):
that they came up basically right out of the gate,
and so the early reports were like, oh my gosh,
there's so many more yes people here than the last time,
and then by the time it was all done, it
was the usual like overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
The other thing that was interesting is all of those
people that appeared then went to a meeting with Braun
and Micah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
After did they had some water and coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Can you okay? So can you imagine some of these
people were, well, they're driving down that's all they got
at the residents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Not even snickers the governor's mansion, not even.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
A Snickers bar, okay. So A couple of things that
are fascinating about this to me. Number one the fact
that the sitting governor of the state of Indiana knows
his lieutenant governor is under grand jury investigation for multiple things,
Like it's irrefutable that's going on, and he is still
on the regular paling around with this guy, Like whatever
(04:42):
comes out of that, if it's anything, Braun can't do
the me so stupid me don't know routine because there
are multiple high profile events where he has been seen
arm in arm with Micah, the lieutenant governor whose office
is undergrand jury investigation right now, and Braun knows that
and he's still piling around with him. That is fascinating
to me. But the other part of this is, can
(05:02):
you imagine if you're somebody from Fort Wayne, like I
know some of those people who are very mad at me.
And we'll get to that in a second two because
one of them said something to me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But like you, you were popular.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
You have to drive all the way down from Fort Wayne.
You have to be there for at least a couple hours,
even if you're speaking early. Get in line all too,
blah blah blah the other stuff. And your big reward
for that is coffee and water with them, with the
governor who is despised by our state and in his
stege assistant who is on whose office is under grand
(05:36):
jury investigation.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That's your big.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Reward for ruining your whole day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. Well, for some of those people, that is a
reward because they want to be elbow to elbow with power.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
One of these people told me afterwards. They came up
to me and said, I'm very disappointed in you. Yeah,
And I looked at her and I said, get in line.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
It's long.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
You're going to be waiting a while and we'll talk
about some of that later. But anyway, so overwhelming people
against this. As you mentioned, I spoke Ethan Hatcher, who's
going to join us here in just a little bit.
Get his take on the day yesterday he spoke.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They said they wanted to wrap it up by six o'clock.
At seven point forty one, they were finally taking the vote.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, went a little bit long. So so ultimately, so
I tweeted this out. I said this to Casey, uh
hours before they had the vote. I said, here's what's
going to happen, Casey, and oh gosh, darn it. It's
nine to thirteen on what is today, the ninth of December,
and it's my least favorite part of every show. We
(06:37):
got to do it in the opening segment, which is
where I have to tell everybody how right I was.
And did I not tell you? I said, Casey, here's
how this is going to go down. The vote is
going to be six to three in favor. Three of
them are going to say I'm voting solely to move
this forward for my fellow colleagues to be able to
vote on this. I am not committing to committed to
voting yes, and Casey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Exactly what happened?
Speaker 1 (07:00):
What's exactly what?
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Yeah, the only Republican to vote against the bill was
Greg Walker, and you had a couple of them, Rogers
and Donados say that they may change their vote on
the Senate floor. Good said the bill needs more vetting.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now. Greg Good is the guy. This is what's disgusting
about all this. Greg Good is the guy from Tera
HOAt who had had a town hall and not a
single person showed up in support. Seventy people showed up
to speak against and he still is undecided. Dude, had
it been eighty to zero, would that have suaded you?
This is what pisses me off about all of this.
(07:36):
You guys could have killed this yesterday. Rogers was Rogers
and Donado are the two who voted not to come
back back. I think the other two who voted to
move it forward but to hear from their constituents. I
think that's how it went down. You voted not to
come back just a couple of weeks ago. Kill it
and be done with it. But they don't want to smoke.
That's why they did this. They don't want to be
(07:58):
the ones to have killed it. They didn't want the smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So Senator Greg Walker he voted against it, and he
got very emotional at the end when they're taking the vote,
this is my favorite thing. They all want to comment
on the way they're voting. Sure, yes, here's how I'm
going to vote. But let me tell you why first.
And here's what he had to say.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Permission to explain my vote very briefly. One of those
who testify today asked me to I'll read it again.
I think this is a direct quote to shed my
sense of fairness. Is that the kind of advice you
would give your children, or your grandchildren, or your nieces
(08:41):
and nephews.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh Jesus crying.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
I will not shed my sense of fairness.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I vote.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's crying.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He was very emotional. He said the bill leaves no
room for wiggle and could be challenged in court.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
But he was crying over a redistricting bill. No tears
for when people get screwed on property taxes. No tiers
when these utility bills rise every single year and are
pricing people out of being able to heat and cool
their homes. No tiers for the hundreds of millions in
corruption with the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Money taken from
(09:16):
poor and middle class people, given to the uber connected
and squandered.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No tears on that.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
But when these guys get affected by something, get out
of here,
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