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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, okay, So it's probably the biggest scam in the
history of our state.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And abuse of taxpayer money, corruption, conflicts of interest. Sure,
hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars out the door. No,
no clear benefit to the people as a collective luxury spending.
But the governor m hm, he's going to let somebody
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else look into it if they if they find out
a worthwile sure he is.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Governor Mike Brawn said he's open to the legislature launching
its own probe into the IEDC.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Not pounding his fist. I'm not saying this is an embarrassment,
this IEDC Indian Economic Development Corporation audit, which confirmed what
many of us have said for years about this shadow
quasi government entity. Not this is a colossal embarrassment. Not
I'm a shame of what happened. Not I will vow
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to do better. Not by in a month's time, I'll
roll out an eight point bullet plan to ensure this
never happens again. Not huge changes are coming, None of that.
The governor has said, Well, we're moving on and if
the General Assembly would like to do something about it, sure, fine.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know the famous saying from Truman, the buck stops
here is with Braun. It's the buck stops over there.
Let's let somebody else take care.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're so right. Look, this is I mean just it is.
So it's way beyond frustrating. It is. It should enrage
everybody because there's no more rumor and innu indo about it.
It's no more Hey, the Capitol Chronicle has this article
over here that looks bad, or the Indie Star has
this article over there looks batter Rob and Casey. You're
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talking about these things and it looks bad. They know
it happened.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He why did Braun even pay this money eight hundred
thousand dollars of our money? If you're not going to
do anything about it, if you're not going to be mad,
if you're not going to be loud, he should be
outraged for all of us. It shows that these lawmakers,
no lawmakers aren't say anything either. Nobody's saying anything. Nobody
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this is I'm open to the idea of the legislature
launching their own IEDC investigation.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Or making changes if they feel it's appropriate. What do
you guys think, Hey, what do you guys think? Over
there are you good with it?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
All right? You and I had this conversation before I
went on air. My wife and I were talking about
this yesterday. I said, I think the thing that gets
me so down about this is that we have graduated
and been a fairly rapid fashion. And we've mentioned this
before in this program, the lasting legacy of COVID, and
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it was actually somebody very prominent state government who told
me this. The lasting legacy of COVID will be that
elected official figured out, we can basically do whatever we
want to do and nobody really fights back. So why
would we stop doing whatever we want to do? I
mean you think about you were forced to wear a mask,
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you were put out of work, you had your business
clothes locked in your homes, and nobody really did anything.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's not forget the experimental shots.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Oh yeah, well that that affected others. You know many many,
some people are still dealing with those. In fact, absolutely right,
and nobody fought back is what the lawmakers figured out
is I mean, if they're going to fight back on that,
why would we be considered about a few hundred mil
going out the doors highly connected people? I mean, like
it is, this is right there. The idea of public
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service should be. I go in because I care more
about you and the betterment of your life than you
could ever even care about yourself. And I'm going to
fight every day that i'm there to ensure that happens
and correct injustices and stand up for you and be
your boys. And nobody's doing any of that. Nobody, not
the governor, not the General Assembly. I talked to one
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lawmaker yesterday who I would think would be invested in this,
and I just asked them, I said, why aren't you
doing anything about this? You know what? Their answer to
me was, casey, what, They've been busy. They're busy with
their day job, and they're gonna read it and they're
gonna get into it and then they'll have a statement.
We're on day eight.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They don't need to read the one hundred and twenty
seven page report because there are multiple articles outlining everything
that would take two minutes to read.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
There is no shame, and there is no sense of accountability.
And we have created this, We have created this culture
of unaccountability when where these people fear us so little
that even when it is directly right between the eyes,
they're stealing your money, they're taking your stuff and giving
it to their friends. This is the Indie Star has
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this new article out. We touched on it very briefly yesterday.
Haley Colombo, Kayla Dwyer are the authors. They've been all
over the IDC for months now, really years in some cases.
I just want to read. There's one line in here
that sums up what this grift was all about, and
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how it worked and how you you, the listener, got
totally screwed. Quote. The return on investment for them was significant.
These donors collectively gave two point eight million to the
ied F that's the Indian Economic Development Foundation, and they
collectively received more than two hundred and thirty eight million
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dollars in tax incentives or payments through contracts or grants.
What other place other than the government could you invest
two point eight million and walk out with two hundred
and thirty eight million.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, we talked about it yesterday that an undisclosed donor
gave twenty five hundred dollars, twenty five hundred dollars and
then received a million dollar contract. That's one heck of
a return on investment. I'd take that deal. I mean
I would give them twenty five hundred dollars If I'm
getting a million back, why not.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm not trying to be over the top or what
do they say, shock jock or whatever phrase they give
about me. It changes from one day to the next
when I tell you, I think this may be the
biggest story in the history of our state. And I've
said this for months now, and now that this audit
has confirmed it. Thirty conflicts of interest, no essentially no
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institutional controls over time. When you extrapolate to the life
of the IEDC, probably over a billion dollars of our
money that has been confiscated, not used for roads or
helping these poor people with disabled children, who have had
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to totally alter the way they give.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Care to these people, going to the schools, and.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Not property taxing, nothing, all things that would have been
better than this, because there's no benefit to it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Eighty two percent of the Indiana Economic Development Foundation spending
went to travel and entertainment. That's the grossest part of
all of this to me. Four point three million dollars
on flights, two point eight million dollars on hotels, two
million dollars on a vet hosting. Those must have been
one heck of a party. You know, eight hundred thousand
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dollars on meals.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then for me, this is me personally. I get
to the biggest part of this, which is the IEDC.
And what's going on with the IDC is proof that
they can corrupt, manipulate, intimidate. I don't know what the
correct word here is, but they can silence anyone. The
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government can silence anyone. Because we are now on day
eight where the loot tenant governor of the state of Indiana,
who ran on the mi Quebec with the core of
his campaign was I will fight for you. I will
be that guy. I will be the person who speaks
up on the corruption and the abuse, and I will
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expose this stuff. That was what he ran on. He
ran on how perverted and rotten and awful the system was,
and this issue, this IEDC, was one of the signature
things he talked about. And for the first time in
human history, a politician, especially one who craves attention and
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craves the camera, was proven exactly correct. And we are
on day eight without a single solitary word from the
Lieutenant governor about this audit. He's posted about the fever,
he's posted about violence in Marion County and then deleted it.
He's posted about World Food Championships, but nothing about this,
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which means for someone, somebody, something is going on there
where he feels he cannot post or talk about this.
And I think that is the thing that makes me
most disheartened about this is that this is proof. The
story is proof that these people are so powerful and
the money or influence or whatever is so great that
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they can silence and shut down anyone and it will
never change Casey, it will never change.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, Governor Mike Brawn, he says that you know he
wants to move forward with these guardrails, right.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What guardrails? What guard What guardrails is he putting in place?
What are those guardrails? Who's being held to account? Are
we just telling all these people who benefited with the
thirty conflicts of interest? Hey, enjoy your money, glad we
could take it from people who are having trouble paying
their rent. Hope you have another nice cruise or world trip.
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Hope you enjoy your lavish vacation or mansion that you
live in. That's what we're saying out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
When I think of the pictures of Eric Holcomb on
the Camels. I think, I'm so glad that I have
that memory. That's all I have out of it. I
have the memory of his picture there, because what did I,
as a taxpayer, get out of that trip?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Nobody is fighting for us, even when you make it
so obvious, and it is just this overwhelming feeling of
despair that it doesn't like when I entered and I
know we're running along here, But when I got into
this government thing fifteen years ago, I just said, I'm
going to make a difference. I'm tire of sitting on
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the sidelines. I'm going to get involved. I believed, until
very recently, still believed that if you just let people
know about it, somebody would do something. And now I
look around and.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Go, anybody, bueller, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Bueller, doesn't matter we expose, it doesn't matter how obvious
it is. It just I don't There's another article in
Ye Casey.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
There's another article at Indy Star this morning, and it's
talking about the former Secretary of Commerce, Brad Chambers. You
remember him. He ran for governor. He received more than
seventy seven million dollars through no bid contracts.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
All right, why don't we Why don't we take a
break because I want to get into that when we
come back, because all we have, you know, was it?
Nathan Haleen famously said, all I have is But what
my only regret is, I have but one life to
give it for my country. My owly regrets. I have
but one three hour radio show to give to the
people of Central Indiana. But we got to talk about
this because that's a really big deal.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
All right, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know, I've said this for years when it comes
to my elected officials or pointed officials, and I really
saw this with local government. I don't want people in
those positions who are invested, either certainly financially or emotionally
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or career wise in the thing they're overseeing. And what
I mean by this is when you would get people,
whether it's a park board or police commission or school board,
which is an elected thing, whether it's a point or elected,
you would see these people would come and apply for
these or run for these offices, and they'd always talk
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about the experience they had with that thing, Like there
would be somebody who had experience serving in a parks
department somewhere, or you would see somebody who was a
police officer at one point, or you know, I've been
a teacher, so I'd be qualified to be on the
school board. And I said to myself, no, because your
job as an elected or appointed official is not to
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be an advocate for but a watchdog over whatever thing
you're seeing. And the worst people to be on these
boards and commissions are people who are cheerleading for the thing. No,
your job is a cheerlead for the taxpayer. Used to
have this fight all the time with people of other
elected people and they couldn't see it well. But so
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and so has experience in so what we are the
elected people, We make the policy calls. Their job is
to enact the policy calls. And then with the find
they should be with the fine tooth comb overseeing and
making sure the moneies that are allocated or spent responsibly.
And I mentioned all of this because one of the
major issues with the IEDC conflict of interest. We didn't
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ever have watchdogs. There should have been the watchdogs overseeing
the money and where it went. Instead, you had people
who were invested in the business community in Indianapolis, business
projects in Indianapolis and thus you could have nothing but
conflicts of interest because everybody was wanting the same thing
because it was benefitting them. And you see this with
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this Indie Star article that came out about Brad Chambers today.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that's true. So our friend to Indie reporter was
on this over the weekend and now the Indie Star
has an article as well. Pure Development is an Indianapolis
firm and they received over seventy seven million dollars through
no bit contracts from the IEDC for work on the
Leap project. Now, the contracts were awarded during the tenure
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of Brad Chambers, who was the Indiana Secretary of Commerce.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Who later ran for governor. Correct, all the Holcombe people
basically went over to his campaign. Of course, the Leap
is Holcombe's fantasy island project in Boone County, in which
we have now spent what it was four hundred and
thirty some million dollars of taxpayer mostly taxpayer money on
the Leap project and we've gotten lily out of it.
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And this Indie Star article lays out that this Pure
Development has a deal where they are working with Chambers
Company Buckingham Companies on a project in Carmel so you
have these companies that are working together, and then Chambers
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is overseeing an organization or helping oversee an organization where
tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are flowing to that
company that he clearly has in some shape, form or
fashion a relationship with, and that is this is it.
This is the poster child for how the IEDC operates,
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and nobody was watching out for us.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, so pures relationship with Chambers and Buckingham goes back
to twenty eighteen, So it's a it does as the
former Secretary of Commerce, does he have a say of
which company gets hired on this project? Well, hey, how
about you pick mine, pick my company?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And how could you not be infuriated by this? If
you're out today working on a highway somewhere, or you're
on top of a roof, or you're a you're a
policeman on the street, or you're a teacher in the
school in the school house, schoolhouse, How old am I
in our schools? Money was taken from you, money that
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you worked for, and it was given to this shadow company,
the shadow organization, who was just basically doling out dollars
to not only their friends, but people there they had
business relationships with that didn't benefit you in any shape,
form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A Pure co founder called Buckingham one of Pure's most
important business relationships that in a twenty four court filing.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
All right, let's take a break. Jim Merritt is going
to join us next.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, and we'll get into, obviously the big announcement that
we got a ballgame and the Secretary of State's race.
Nobody knows Indiana history relates to politics and government, like
Jim Merritt.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He's on the way from ninety three u IBC.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You But Casey, no one wants to talk about the
iec audit. Why do you think that is, rob Well,
let's find out everybody who knows those people in the
State House better than anybody else. You know him from
thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the great Jim Merritt. Hello, Robert. Okay,
So this iedc audit comes out. Yes, it reveals, as
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we have said for years on this program that they
didn't use these words, but we'll use our own description
that the IDC is essentially a has served for years
as a glorified legalized money laundering operation in which money
is has been taken from poor and middle class taxpayers.
It has been delegated to companies, businesses into thees, organizations, trips, travel,
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et cetera that benefit indirectly directly people who were calling
the shots on where the money was going. It is
a massive about hundreds of millions of dollars, if not
billies at this point of abuse and corruption of tax
payer money and resources. And other than the governor just
saying oh, we're done here, We're moving on now, almost
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nobody in the General Assembly or any of the state
wide office holders want to say a word about how
is that possible? Well, good morning everybody. Hey, you know
these people I do.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I think I think the governor did a you know,
I kind of disagreed with it in the beginning about
a deep forensic audit, meaning that they're just going to
go deep, deep deep. And I didn't understand that at
the time because it's seemingly IDC and the Leaf District
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and and there are a lot of naysayers, but obviously
Lily is doing some great things up up on sixty
five north of Indianapolis, north Ameron County, Boom County. You know,
with other people money, well, my money, this forensic money,
this forensic uh study, if you will, this this this
audit has uncovered a lot of a lot of ills
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to the system and and it gives the governor the
opportunity to start anew but.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
He doesn't seem to want it. He seems he's just
like status quo.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I think I think you're going to see legislators in
the coming session because they really can't do anything about
it now, and in a short session. I'm not sure
what they can do with a with a short short session,
but they can start talking and with with with weight
to it that we need economic development and this is
what they want, economic development throughout the state rather than
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just some big areas like the leap district. They can
start talking about spreading the money around the state in programs.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
But that nobody's saying a word about this. You're I
mean you said that one to the Tesla guy, what's
his name, Jake Teshka. He's the one of the few
people I've seen put anything out and his thing was like,
we need to tie not internal control. I don't remember
what ridiculous missed opportunity. Well, why is nobody saying.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I'm not there till a chance say something.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, it's a great opportunity for service.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean you would have said something, all right, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, obviously it's an opportunity for change. And that's what
politics and politicians like, are opportunities to change the conversation.
And this is the perfect way to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Why is Governor Brown saying the legislature will handle it.
It is like the least trumanous thing you could do,
like the buck stops over there.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, Well, they've had ninety days or however long on this,
on this forensic study, and you would have thought that
there would be a complete plan when they introduced the
forensic st everything that went on here, it's a great
opportunity there. There's there's a vacuum, right, and it's a
great opportunity for the governor and his staff to say
this is what we need to do in the future.
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And if they're saying that, we're not hearing it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, And like, what is going on with the lieutenant
guy who literally ran on everything that is in that audit,
which is he said all the things when he was running.
He's the first politician in the history of ever to
be proven exactly correct and not say a word and
go see I told you, like, why is he not
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raising his hand? Going I'll lead the committee, I'll lead
the commission. We were right, this guy can't sprint to
a camera fast enough and now he's just disappeared on
Is the IEDC that powerful? What leverage do they have
over these people that nobody is talking about this?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, I it's it's a noble my friend, Micah, Why
aren't you speaking out on this? Why aren't you saying
this is what I would do. What a great opportunity
for change, and what a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To speak some world food event? And he can't post
about this? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
He also you know, they're concerned about violence in downtown
Indianapolis as well. Economic development is just an enormous issue
right now, and it's it's a great way to sprinkle
money around the state. And we're trying to explain the unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So, Jim, there is a new article that came out
in the Indie Star just this morning and it lays
out how an Indianapolis development company with close ties to
the former Secretary of Commerce Brad Chambers, received more than
seventy seven million dollars through no big contracts with the IEDC.
I'm wondering if you can speak on that and his
role in everything.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't know how to defend that. From my bread
my friend Brad Chambers, I think that you this people
have to do a deep dive, and one article doesn't
tell the whole story, and I think people in the
know should defend it or or you know, or criticize it.
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It's just there is a vacuum of information out there
right now after this report, this forensic, this deep dive
into I d C. And legislators have to have to
speak out on this because it's truly the big One
of the biggest parts of what we do in the
state of Indiana is bringing jobs here, but also UH
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the idea of transparency. Every everything should be transparent and
and and right now you're seeing in I d C
that is really struggling for UH. The biggest part of
what I think governance is is transparency.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Center.
Let's pivot real quick. Bo By in the race, yes,
running for Secretary of State against Diego Morales. You know
Indiana politics and government history. Unlike anybody else does the
By name, because, let's face it, he's going to run
on the Evan by name, the Evan By machine. His
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grandfather before that, birch By, who is a US Senator.
That's what he's counting on. Does Evan by name, that
family name still have enough juice to help him get
across the finish line? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I don't know that answer, because it has to come
down to the can, don't.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You know, Mary, You're supposed to just make it up.
If you don't have an answer, you're a pundit.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Now what what I can make up is the idea
that people know who Evan By is right now, because
we all know that that he lost to Todd Smoke. Yes,
and uh and Todd Young, who was a member of
Congress from southern Indiana.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
He's a marine, Marie, Yeah it was marines.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yes, once a marine, always a marine. But he he
and but Evan Todd Young ran a great campaign.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And Evan By had you know, ten million or eleven
million dollars. But when to get back to Bobie. Uh,
his his father came in, ran for Secretary of State,
had had the residency problems, ran against Doc Bowen's son
still wins the Secretary of State's office, uh uses that
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platform to run for governor wins the governor's office.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
See history trying to repeat itself with Bobai coming in,
people are asking bows residency. He's young, he's around the
same age as his dad is. And I think I
think Republicans and Democrats alike probably who.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Are in the know. I think if bo By wins.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The Secretary of States office in just a year from now,
is that a platform for him to run for governor
in twenty twenty eight, just like his dad. Yeah, but
your question about Evan By and his name, I'm not sure.
But I can tell you that people have told me
that bo Bai will have six million dollars at his disposal.
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And we all know the mother's milk of politics is money.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I bet you can figure out who paid for India
with six million bucks?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Casey, Yeah, And I wanted to ask you more about
the money. What is a reasonable amount because this could
be a very expensive second scretaria of state race.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, our friend Mayor Joe Hogsitt is mayor of Indianapolis.
In Indianapolis, Democrats are getting more juiced by the day,
and that's a money Center and self. So you could
have a secretary of State's office a campaign regardless if
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it's Diego Morales or David Shelton. Coming out of the convention,
I believe it's going to be a Morales, but it
could be a ten to fifteen to twenty million dollar
campaign for Secretary of States for the Secretary of State's office,
because that is a toll hold for the twenty twenty
eight gouvern. Well, it's also not that Diego Moralis is
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going to run for governor in twenty two.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, but the Republicans know what Diego is and they
know the crap he's pulled, and they do not want
a Democrat getting in there to open the doors to that.
You describe it as an orbit, but that office and
all the stuff that may have transpired in there, they
don't want that because there's a good chance it touches
a whole lot of very prominent Republicans who at the
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very least have done absolutely nothing as this guy has
stained that office.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that's exactly right, which is different than when Evan
By came in because Sectory State at Simcox an outstanding job,
and what Evan Bye came in to talk about was,
you know, being a conservative Democrat bo Bai will come
in and run against Diego Morales about all the baggage
that Diego brings to the table that probably is just
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known in central Indiana and not very well known outside.
And so bo Bay has to use all six million
dollars of that money or up to ten million to
talk about bo Bye and a new Democrat.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We need more rich friends, Casey. It's undetermined. Maybe the
Buys will be our friends because Merritt, you're just not
pulling your weight around and I'm not rich. Jim Merritt, Oh,
you've seen that house and beyond. Robin Leech be showed
up at your door anytime now. Jim Merritt find him
on Twitter at Jim Underscore Merit Meret in the Morning.
That's the name of the podcast YouTube as well as Facebook.
Thank you, Robert.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is Kendilly Casey, It's ninety three wibc.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh, so you have some interesting information on how much
money you're gonna need to not end up face down
in a gutter an old age in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, there was an article that came out and it
asked how long will the magic number last in retirement?
And the magic number they used was one point five
million dollars. Yeah, so Charles Schwab estimates you need one
point eight million. Schroeder's survey said you need one point
two but the traditional guideline has been a million. Guess what, kids,
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it's up now to one point five million. Go Banking
Rates is saying that is the standard to now measure
retirement longevity. And they broke it down by state. Oh,
how much one point five million dollars will last you? Now,
this is your annual living cost minus social security So
you can't use any social security cushion if in fact
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there will be one for you when you retire in
your calculations.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay, all right, so you take those security out. It's
how much money you would need to have period?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
All right? So what sort of life are we talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think I could live on nine cents? But like
what I mean? Are we talking like I want to
you know, a one story house? Are we talking? I
want to live the life that you live. What are
we talking? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's all subjective, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Sort of? I mean that's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, they're saying Americans retiring at sixty five can expect
to live about twenty more years, okay, meaning one point
five million is more than enough in some states and
obviously depending on your lifestyle. But they say that in Indiana,
one point five million dollars in savings should last you
forty seven years.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, okay, Okay, very good. So this that seems right
to me because and it also depends on what you're
you're financial position is in terms of if you're content
with where you're at and your house is paid off,
then you have a much lower burden in retirement than
somebody who is still making a mortgage pan if you
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you know, don't need to drive fancy cars whatever. Like
That's why it was because like, what sort of quality
of life are we talking about here? Because I think
even given especially if you now look, if you got
a mortgage or you got rent or whatever, that's a
different ballgame. But I would think you could live a
somewhat decent existence on thirty thousand dollars if your house
is paid off.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, Well, they're saying in Indiana the annual cost of
living after Social Security is thirty one thousand, seven hundred
nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, so you're pretty close well this brain right, Yeah,
I mean, I know it's about I was just starting
to think, like what, you know, cost of food. If
you're a retired person, you're not taking a lot of trips,
you're not driving to work every day, You're you know,
mileage on your car is minimal, so you wouldn't need
to turn over automobiles like other people driving kids to events.
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I mean, you've got food, some level of entertainment. Yeah,
I was I was going to say that that seemed
about about right, and it's it's spot on.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I would think that healthcare is going to be the
largest expense.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, but then you've got it keeps going up. But
then obviously you're on a different lot of people are
on a different healthcare plan. Either you've got something through
some sort of pension and or Medicare then kicks in,
so you're you're getting some level of subsidized you know,
insurance with that. So yeah, that that seems about right.
And the one thing about Indiana is it does have
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a more affordable cost of living than compared to a
lot of these other states other states.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Indiana ranks as the tenth most affordable state for retirees.
The list goes West, Virginia, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Iowa,
and then Indiana.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
My desire in retirement is to live in a house
really in the middle of nowhere, and then I'll become
one of those forgotten characters where people are like, does
anyone remember Rob Kendall And they'll be like, you mean
the guy that was on WIBC. Yeah, that guy. What
happened in don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm just living, living in a cornfield somewhere or a
woods and just working on my memoirs that somebody will
discover when I kick the bucket.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So when they have the you know, big anniversary, are
you going to come back anniversary? What? I don't know,
the big radio station anniversary.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's universary.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Who knows, Now something happened
exciting at your house yesterday?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah? I didn't know these things even existed. But my
wife's grandmother got her one of those little electronic sweepers.
I guess that's what they're called. Yeah, I don't know
what brand it was, but it like it just you
program it and it goes. And this is another example
of where I feel there's too much technology. My house
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is not big enough. Like I sweep, it takes me,
you know, twenty minutes. I can sweep the house. I
can get it ready, boom done. And now this little
robot is running around. It's going around my house bumping
into things. Now my wife because she's missed technologies like no,
I'm programming it or it's programming itself to learn the
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lay of layout of the house so it will know
exactly where to go and what to do. And it
was very nice that her grandmother got that for us.
But I was like, but I still got to get
I still got to sweep under the couch, you know,
the furniture. It can't go. It's you know, things that
are slower to the ground than it is. But I
guess these things are very popular.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, they are. Now is yours just a dry one?
Or does it have the auto wash? Oh no, it's
like a water It's very basic because they range in
price from nine hundred and ninety nine dollars all the
way down to one hundred and forty nine dollars. Amazon
right now actually pricing the Roomba vacuums pretty low for
their prime days, which are going on right now.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm guessing it was not even that much. Was again,
is very nice and I'm sure it'll be very helpful,
but it was like going And then my kid was
trying to ride write it and we're like, Livy, no,
you can't do that. And then she didn't understand why.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
My problem with one of these things is you have
to charge it right every time I want to go
to use it, the battery is dead, because I would
be one of those people who would forget to charge it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, but I would think it would get several uses
because it just goes for a while. Here was the
crazy thing. It was the middle of the night. You know,
she programmed it the night before and whatever plugged it in,
and then I'm laying there and in the middle of
the night, this thing starts going off and I'm thinking
of somebody breaking into the house. Is the security alarm?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
No, it's just the robot cleaning.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Do I need to, you know, quickly grab my firearm
and or what is going on here? And then I realized, well,
if it were the alarm for the security system, that
would be making a much louder thing than that. And
then I'm looking around the house like, is the smoke
detector going off? And then finally I'm looking at this
thing and I realized, oh, it's come alive. It's on.
There's it so there's there's lights coming out of it. Yeah,
so this is my new frontier? Is my house now?
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I guess gets swept on its on its own.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, well that's nice. You don't have to worry about
it anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Except I still got to get under the couch. You're
living with a robot, I believe crumbs. A toddler gets
under the couch and how does that even work? How
do they get it under the couch is a solid thing?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, she is closer to the ground, you know. It
is Kennelly Casey. It's ninety three w IBC
Okay, okay, So it's probably the biggest scam in the
history of our state.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Uh huh.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
And abuse of taxpayer money, corruption, conflicts of interest. Sure,
hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars out the door. No,
no clear benefit to the people as a collective luxury spending.
But the governor m hm, he's going to let somebody
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else look into it if they if they find out
a worthwile sure he is.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Governor Mike Brawn said he's open to the legislature launching
its own probe into the IEDC.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Not pounding his fist. I'm not saying this is an embarrassment,
this IEDC Indian Economic Development Corporation audit, which confirmed what
many of us have said for years about this shadow
quasi government entity. Not this is a colossal embarrassment. Not
I'm a shame of what happened. Not I will vow
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to do better. Not by in a month's time, I'll
roll out an eight point bullet plan to ensure this
never happens again. Not huge changes are coming, None of that.
The governor has said, Well, we're moving on and if
the General Assembly would like to do something about it, sure, fine.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know the famous saying from Truman, the buck stops
here is with Braun. It's the buck stops over there.
Let's let somebody else take care.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
You're so right. Look, this is I mean just it is.
So it's way beyond frustrating. It is. It should enrage
everybody because there's no more rumor and innu indo about it.
It's no more Hey, the Capitol Chronicle has this article
over here that looks bad, or the Indie Star has
this article over there looks batter Rob and Casey. You're
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talking about these things and it looks bad. They know
it happened.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
M hm.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
He why did Braun even pay this money eight hundred
thousand dollars of our money? If you're not going to
do anything about it, if you're not going to be mad,
if you're not going to be loud, he should be
outraged for all of us. It shows that these lawmakers,
no lawmakers aren't say anything either. Nobody's saying anything. Nobody
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this is I'm open to the idea of the legislature
launching their own IEDC investigation.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Or making changes if they feel it's appropriate. What do
you guys think, Hey, what do you guys think? Over
there are you good with it?
Speaker 1 (02:32):
All right? You and I had this conversation before I
went on air. My wife and I were talking about
this yesterday. I said, I think the thing that gets
me so down about this is that we have graduated
and been a fairly rapid fashion. And we've mentioned this
before in this program, the lasting legacy of COVID, and
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it was actually somebody very prominent state government who told
me this. The lasting legacy of COVID will be that
elected official figured out, we can basically do whatever we
want to do and nobody really fights back. So why
would we stop doing whatever we want to do? I
mean you think about you were forced to wear a mask,
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you were put out of work, you had your business
clothes locked in your homes, and nobody really did anything.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Let's not forget the experimental shots.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Oh yeah, well that that affected others. You know many many,
some people are still dealing with those. In fact, absolutely right,
and nobody fought back is what the lawmakers figured out
is I mean, if they're going to fight back on that,
why would we be considered about a few hundred mil
going out the doors highly connected people? I mean, like
it is, this is right there. The idea of public
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service should be. I go in because I care more
about you and the betterment of your life than you
could ever even care about yourself. And I'm going to
fight every day that i'm there to ensure that happens
and correct injustices and stand up for you and be
your boys. And nobody's doing any of that. Nobody, not
the governor, not the General Assembly. I talked to one
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lawmaker yesterday who I would think would be invested in this,
and I just asked them, I said, why aren't you
doing anything about this? You know what? Their answer to
me was, casey, what, They've been busy. They're busy with
their day job, and they're gonna read it and they're
gonna get into it and then they'll have a statement.
We're on day eight.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
They don't need to read the one hundred and twenty
seven page report because there are multiple articles outlining everything
that would take two minutes to read.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
There is no shame, and there is no sense of accountability.
And we have created this, We have created this culture
of unaccountability when where these people fear us so little
that even when it is directly right between the eyes,
they're stealing your money, they're taking your stuff and giving
it to their friends. This is the Indie Star has
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this new article out. We touched on it very briefly yesterday.
Haley Colombo, Kayla Dwyer are the authors. They've been all
over the IDC for months now, really years in some cases.
I just want to read. There's one line in here
that sums up what this grift was all about, and
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how it worked and how you you, the listener, got
totally screwed. Quote. The return on investment for them was significant.
These donors collectively gave two point eight million to the
ied F that's the Indian Economic Development Foundation, and they
collectively received more than two hundred and thirty eight million
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dollars in tax incentives or payments through contracts or grants.
What other place other than the government could you invest
two point eight million and walk out with two hundred
and thirty eight million.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Well, we talked about it yesterday that an undisclosed donor
gave twenty five hundred dollars, twenty five hundred dollars and
then received a million dollar contract. That's one heck of
a return on investment. I'd take that deal. I mean
I would give them twenty five hundred dollars If I'm
getting a million back, why not.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
I'm not trying to be over the top or what
do they say, shock jock or whatever phrase they give
about me. It changes from one day to the next
when I tell you, I think this may be the
biggest story in the history of our state. And I've
said this for months now, and now that this audit
has confirmed it. Thirty conflicts of interest, no essentially no
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institutional controls over time. When you extrapolate to the life
of the IEDC, probably over a billion dollars of our
money that has been confiscated, not used for roads or
helping these poor people with disabled children, who have had
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to totally alter the way they give.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Care to these people, going to the schools, and.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Not property taxing, nothing, all things that would have been
better than this, because there's no benefit to it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Eighty two percent of the Indiana Economic Development Foundation spending
went to travel and entertainment. That's the grossest part of
all of this to me. Four point three million dollars
on flights, two point eight million dollars on hotels, two
million dollars on a vet hosting. Those must have been
one heck of a party. You know, eight hundred thousand
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dollars on meals.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
And then for me, this is me personally. I get
to the biggest part of this, which is the IEDC.
And what's going on with the IDC is proof that
they can corrupt, manipulate, intimidate. I don't know what the
correct word here is, but they can silence anyone. The
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government can silence anyone. Because we are now on day
eight where the loot tenant governor of the state of Indiana,
who ran on the mi Quebec with the core of
his campaign was I will fight for you. I will
be that guy. I will be the person who speaks
up on the corruption and the abuse, and I will
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expose this stuff. That was what he ran on. He
ran on how perverted and rotten and awful the system was,
and this issue, this IEDC, was one of the signature
things he talked about. And for the first time in
human history, a politician, especially one who craves attention and
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craves the camera, was proven exactly correct. And we are
on day eight without a single solitary word from the
Lieutenant governor about this audit. He's posted about the fever,
he's posted about violence in Marion County and then deleted it.
He's posted about World Food Championships, but nothing about this,
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which means for someone, somebody, something is going on there
where he feels he cannot post or talk about this.
And I think that is the thing that makes me
most disheartened about this is that this is proof. The
story is proof that these people are so powerful and
the money or influence or whatever is so great that
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they can silence and shut down anyone and it will
never change Casey, it will never change.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Well, Governor Mike Brawn, he says that you know he
wants to move forward with these guardrails, right.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
What guardrails? What guard What guardrails is he putting in place?
What are those guardrails? Who's being held to account? Are
we just telling all these people who benefited with the
thirty conflicts of interest? Hey, enjoy your money, glad we
could take it from people who are having trouble paying
their rent. Hope you have another nice cruise or world trip.
(10:04):
Hope you enjoy your lavish vacation or mansion that you
live in. That's what we're saying out of this.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
When I think of the pictures of Eric Holcomb on
the Camels. I think, I'm so glad that I have
that memory. That's all I have out of it. I
have the memory of his picture there, because what did I,
as a taxpayer, get out of that trip?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Nobody is fighting for us, even when you make it
so obvious, and it is just this overwhelming feeling of
despair that it doesn't like when I entered and I
know we're running along here, But when I got into
this government thing fifteen years ago, I just said, I'm
going to make a difference. I'm tire of sitting on
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the sidelines. I'm going to get involved. I believed, until
very recently, still believed that if you just let people
know about it, somebody would do something. And now I
look around and.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
Go, anybody, bueller, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Bueller, doesn't matter we expose, it doesn't matter how obvious
it is. It just I don't There's another article in
Ye Casey.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
There's another article at Indy Star this morning, and it's
talking about the former Secretary of Commerce, Brad Chambers. You
remember him. He ran for governor. He received more than
seventy seven million dollars through no bid contracts.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
All right, why don't we Why don't we take a
break because I want to get into that when we
come back, because all we have, you know, was it?
Nathan Haleen famously said, all I have is But what
my only regret is, I have but one life to
give it for my country. My owly regrets. I have
but one three hour radio show to give to the
people of Central Indiana. But we got to talk about
this because that's a really big deal.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
All right, it's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
You know, I've said this for years when it comes
to my elected officials or pointed officials, and I really
saw this with local government. I don't want people in
those positions who are invested, either certainly financially or emotionally
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or career wise in the thing they're overseeing. And what
I mean by this is when you would get people,
whether it's a park board or police commission or school board,
which is an elected thing, whether it's a point or elected,
you would see these people would come and apply for
these or run for these offices, and they'd always talk
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about the experience they had with that thing, Like there
would be somebody who had experience serving in a parks
department somewhere, or you would see somebody who was a
police officer at one point, or you know, I've been
a teacher, so I'd be qualified to be on the
school board. And I said to myself, no, because your
job as an elected or appointed official is not to
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be an advocate for but a watchdog over whatever thing
you're seeing. And the worst people to be on these
boards and commissions are people who are cheerleading for the thing. No,
your job is a cheerlead for the taxpayer. Used to
have this fight all the time with people of other
elected people and they couldn't see it well. But so
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and so has experience in so what we are the
elected people, We make the policy calls. Their job is
to enact the policy calls. And then with the find
they should be with the fine tooth comb overseeing and
making sure the moneies that are allocated or spent responsibly.
And I mentioned all of this because one of the
major issues with the IEDC conflict of interest. We didn't
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ever have watchdogs. There should have been the watchdogs overseeing
the money and where it went. Instead, you had people
who were invested in the business community in Indianapolis, business
projects in Indianapolis and thus you could have nothing but
conflicts of interest because everybody was wanting the same thing
because it was benefitting them. And you see this with
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this Indie Star article that came out about Brad Chambers today.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
Yeah, that's true. So our friend to Indie reporter was
on this over the weekend and now the Indie Star
has an article as well. Pure Development is an Indianapolis
firm and they received over seventy seven million dollars through
no bit contracts from the IEDC for work on the
Leap project. Now, the contracts were awarded during the tenure
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of Brad Chambers, who was the Indiana Secretary of Commerce.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Who later ran for governor. Correct, all the Holcombe people
basically went over to his campaign. Of course, the Leap
is Holcombe's fantasy island project in Boone County, in which
we have now spent what it was four hundred and
thirty some million dollars of taxpayer mostly taxpayer money on
the Leap project and we've gotten lily out of it.
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And this Indie Star article lays out that this Pure
Development has a deal where they are working with Chambers
Company Buckingham Companies on a project in Carmel so you
have these companies that are working together, and then Chambers
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is overseeing an organization or helping oversee an organization where
tens of millions of taxpayer dollars are flowing to that
company that he clearly has in some shape, form or
fashion a relationship with, and that is this is it.
This is the poster child for how the IEDC operates,
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and nobody was watching out for us.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Yeah, so pures relationship with Chambers and Buckingham goes back
to twenty eighteen, So it's a it does as the
former Secretary of Commerce, does he have a say of
which company gets hired on this project? Well, hey, how
about you pick mine, pick my company?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
And how could you not be infuriated by this? If
you're out today working on a highway somewhere, or you're
on top of a roof, or you're a you're a
policeman on the street, or you're a teacher in the
school in the school house, schoolhouse, How old am I
in our schools? Money was taken from you, money that
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you worked for, and it was given to this shadow company,
the shadow organization, who was just basically doling out dollars
to not only their friends, but people there they had
business relationships with that didn't benefit you in any shape,
form or fashion.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
A Pure co founder called Buckingham one of Pure's most
important business relationships that in a twenty four court filing.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
All right, let's take a break. Jim Merritt is going
to join us next.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
Talk more about this.
Speaker 1 (16:49):
Yeah, and we'll get into, obviously the big announcement that
we got a ballgame and the Secretary of State's race.
Nobody knows Indiana history relates to politics and government, like
Jim Merritt.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
He's on the way from ninety three u IBC.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
You But Casey, no one wants to talk about the
iec audit. Why do you think that is, rob Well,
let's find out everybody who knows those people in the
State House better than anybody else. You know him from
thirty years in the Indiana Senate, the great Jim Merritt. Hello, Robert. Okay,
So this iedc audit comes out. Yes, it reveals, as
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we have said for years on this program that they
didn't use these words, but we'll use our own description
that the IDC is essentially a has served for years
as a glorified legalized money laundering operation in which money
is has been taken from poor and middle class taxpayers.
It has been delegated to companies, businesses into thees, organizations, trips, travel,
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et cetera that benefit indirectly directly people who were calling
the shots on where the money was going. It is
a massive about hundreds of millions of dollars, if not
billies at this point of abuse and corruption of tax
payer money and resources. And other than the governor just
saying oh, we're done here, We're moving on now, almost
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nobody in the General Assembly or any of the state
wide office holders want to say a word about how
is that possible? Well, good morning everybody. Hey, you know
these people I do.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I think I think the governor did a you know,
I kind of disagreed with it in the beginning about
a deep forensic audit, meaning that they're just going to
go deep, deep deep. And I didn't understand that at
the time because it's seemingly IDC and the Leaf District
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and and there are a lot of naysayers, but obviously
Lily is doing some great things up up on sixty
five north of Indianapolis, north Ameron County, Boom County. You know,
with other people money, well, my money, this forensic money,
this forensic uh study, if you will, this this this
audit has uncovered a lot of a lot of ills
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to the system and and it gives the governor the
opportunity to start anew but.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
He doesn't seem to want it. He seems he's just
like status quo.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
I think I think you're going to see legislators in
the coming session because they really can't do anything about
it now, and in a short session. I'm not sure
what they can do with a with a short short session,
but they can start talking and with with with weight
to it that we need economic development and this is
what they want, economic development throughout the state rather than
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just some big areas like the leap district. They can
start talking about spreading the money around the state in programs.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
But that nobody's saying a word about this. You're I
mean you said that one to the Tesla guy, what's
his name, Jake Teshka. He's the one of the few
people I've seen put anything out and his thing was like,
we need to tie not internal control. I don't remember
what ridiculous missed opportunity. Well, why is nobody saying.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
I'm not there till a chance say something.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Yes, it's a great opportunity for service.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I mean you would have said something, all right, Well.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
Yeah, obviously it's an opportunity for change. And that's what
politics and politicians like, are opportunities to change the conversation.
And this is the perfect way to do it.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Why is Governor Brown saying the legislature will handle it.
It is like the least trumanous thing you could do,
like the buck stops over there.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Yeah, Well, they've had ninety days or however long on this,
on this forensic study, and you would have thought that
there would be a complete plan when they introduced the
forensic st everything that went on here, it's a great
opportunity there. There's there's a vacuum, right, and it's a
great opportunity for the governor and his staff to say
this is what we need to do in the future.
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And if they're saying that, we're not hearing it.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
Yeah, And like, what is going on with the lieutenant
guy who literally ran on everything that is in that audit,
which is he said all the things when he was running.
He's the first politician in the history of ever to
be proven exactly correct and not say a word and
go see I told you, like, why is he not
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raising his hand? Going I'll lead the committee, I'll lead
the commission. We were right, this guy can't sprint to
a camera fast enough and now he's just disappeared on
Is the IEDC that powerful? What leverage do they have
over these people that nobody is talking about this?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, I it's it's a noble my friend, Micah, Why
aren't you speaking out on this? Why aren't you saying
this is what I would do. What a great opportunity
for change, and what a great opportunity.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
To speak some world food event? And he can't post
about this? Well?
Speaker 3 (21:50):
He also you know, they're concerned about violence in downtown
Indianapolis as well. Economic development is just an enormous issue
right now, and it's it's a great way to sprinkle
money around the state. And we're trying to explain the unexplainable.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
So, Jim, there is a new article that came out
in the Indie Star just this morning and it lays
out how an Indianapolis development company with close ties to
the former Secretary of Commerce Brad Chambers, received more than
seventy seven million dollars through no big contracts with the IEDC.
I'm wondering if you can speak on that and his
role in everything.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
I don't know how to defend that. From my bread
my friend Brad Chambers, I think that you this people
have to do a deep dive, and one article doesn't
tell the whole story, and I think people in the
know should defend it or or you know, or criticize it.
(22:53):
It's just there is a vacuum of information out there
right now after this report, this forensic, this deep dive
into I d C. And legislators have to have to
speak out on this because it's truly the big One
of the biggest parts of what we do in the
state of Indiana is bringing jobs here, but also UH
(23:15):
the idea of transparency. Every everything should be transparent and
and and right now you're seeing in I d C
that is really struggling for UH. The biggest part of
what I think governance is is transparency.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Jim Merritt is our guest thirty years in the Indiana Center.
Let's pivot real quick. Bo By in the race, yes,
running for Secretary of State against Diego Morales. You know
Indiana politics and government history. Unlike anybody else does the
By name, because, let's face it, he's going to run
on the Evan by name, the Evan By machine. His
(23:50):
grandfather before that, birch By, who is a US Senator.
That's what he's counting on. Does Evan by name, that
family name still have enough juice to help him get
across the finish line? Well?
Speaker 3 (24:03):
I don't know that answer, because it has to come
down to the can, don't.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
You know, Mary, You're supposed to just make it up.
If you don't have an answer, you're a pundit.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
Now what what I can make up is the idea
that people know who Evan By is right now, because
we all know that that he lost to Todd Smoke. Yes,
and uh and Todd Young, who was a member of
Congress from southern Indiana.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
He's a marine, Marie, Yeah it was marines.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yes, once a marine, always a marine. But he he
and but Evan Todd Young ran a great campaign.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
And Evan By had you know, ten million or eleven
million dollars. But when to get back to Bobie. Uh,
his his father came in, ran for Secretary of State,
had had the residency problems, ran against Doc Bowen's son
still wins the Secretary of State's office, uh uses that
(24:59):
platform to run for governor wins the governor's office.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
So you can.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
See history trying to repeat itself with Bobai coming in,
people are asking bows residency. He's young, he's around the
same age as his dad is. And I think I
think Republicans and Democrats alike probably who.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Are in the know. I think if bo By wins.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
The Secretary of States office in just a year from now,
is that a platform for him to run for governor
in twenty twenty eight, just like his dad. Yeah, but
your question about Evan By and his name, I'm not sure.
But I can tell you that people have told me
that bo Bai will have six million dollars at his disposal.
(25:45):
And we all know the mother's milk of politics is money.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I bet you can figure out who paid for India
with six million bucks?
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Casey, Yeah, And I wanted to ask you more about
the money. What is a reasonable amount because this could
be a very expensive second scretaria of state race.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, our friend Mayor Joe Hogsitt is mayor of Indianapolis.
In Indianapolis, Democrats are getting more juiced by the day,
and that's a money Center and self. So you could
have a secretary of State's office a campaign regardless if
(26:21):
it's Diego Morales or David Shelton. Coming out of the convention,
I believe it's going to be a Morales, but it
could be a ten to fifteen to twenty million dollar
campaign for Secretary of States for the Secretary of State's office,
because that is a toll hold for the twenty twenty
eight gouvern. Well, it's also not that Diego Moralis is
(26:42):
going to run for governor in twenty two.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
No, but the Republicans know what Diego is and they
know the crap he's pulled, and they do not want
a Democrat getting in there to open the doors to that.
You describe it as an orbit, but that office and
all the stuff that may have transpired in there, they
don't want that because there's a good chance it touches
a whole lot of very prominent Republicans who at the
(27:04):
very least have done absolutely nothing as this guy has
stained that office.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Well, that's exactly right, which is different than when Evan
By came in because Sectory State at Simcox an outstanding job,
and what Evan Bye came in to talk about was,
you know, being a conservative Democrat bo Bai will come
in and run against Diego Morales about all the baggage
that Diego brings to the table that probably is just
(27:33):
known in central Indiana and not very well known outside.
And so bo Bay has to use all six million
dollars of that money or up to ten million to
talk about bo Bye and a new Democrat.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
We need more rich friends, Casey. It's undetermined. Maybe the
Buys will be our friends because Merritt, you're just not
pulling your weight around and I'm not rich. Jim Merritt, Oh,
you've seen that house and beyond. Robin Leech be showed
up at your door anytime now. Jim Merritt find him
on Twitter at Jim Underscore Merit Meret in the Morning.
That's the name of the podcast YouTube as well as Facebook.
Thank you, Robert.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
It is Kendilly Casey, It's ninety three wibc.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Oh, so you have some interesting information on how much
money you're gonna need to not end up face down
in a gutter an old age in Indiana.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, there was an article that came out and it
asked how long will the magic number last in retirement?
And the magic number they used was one point five
million dollars. Yeah, so Charles Schwab estimates you need one
point eight million. Schroeder's survey said you need one point
two but the traditional guideline has been a million. Guess what, kids,
(28:42):
it's up now to one point five million. Go Banking
Rates is saying that is the standard to now measure
retirement longevity. And they broke it down by state. Oh,
how much one point five million dollars will last you? Now,
this is your annual living cost minus social security So
you can't use any social security cushion if in fact
(29:04):
there will be one for you when you retire in
your calculations.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Okay, all right, so you take those security out. It's
how much money you would need to have period?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (29:12):
All right? So what sort of life are we talking
about here?
Speaker 2 (29:17):
Like?
Speaker 1 (29:17):
I think I could live on nine cents? But like
what I mean? Are we talking like I want to
you know, a one story house? Are we talking? I
want to live the life that you live. What are
we talking? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:28):
That's all subjective, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Sort of? I mean that's a big difference.
Speaker 2 (29:31):
Yeah, they're saying Americans retiring at sixty five can expect
to live about twenty more years, okay, meaning one point
five million is more than enough in some states and
obviously depending on your lifestyle. But they say that in Indiana,
one point five million dollars in savings should last you
forty seven years.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, okay, Okay, very good. So this that seems right
to me because and it also depends on what you're
you're financial position is in terms of if you're content
with where you're at and your house is paid off,
then you have a much lower burden in retirement than
somebody who is still making a mortgage pan if you
(30:12):
you know, don't need to drive fancy cars whatever. Like
That's why it was because like, what sort of quality
of life are we talking about here? Because I think
even given especially if you now look, if you got
a mortgage or you got rent or whatever, that's a
different ballgame. But I would think you could live a
somewhat decent existence on thirty thousand dollars if your house
is paid off.
Speaker 2 (30:33):
Okay, Well, they're saying in Indiana the annual cost of
living after Social Security is thirty one thousand, seven hundred
nine dollars.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, so you're pretty close well this brain right, Yeah,
I mean, I know it's about I was just starting
to think, like what, you know, cost of food. If
you're a retired person, you're not taking a lot of trips,
you're not driving to work every day, You're you know,
mileage on your car is minimal, so you wouldn't need
to turn over automobiles like other people driving kids to events.
(31:01):
I mean, you've got food, some level of entertainment. Yeah,
I was I was going to say that that seemed
about about right, and it's it's spot on.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I would think that healthcare is going to be the
largest expense.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Well, but then you've got it keeps going up. But
then obviously you're on a different lot of people are
on a different healthcare plan. Either you've got something through
some sort of pension and or Medicare then kicks in,
so you're you're getting some level of subsidized you know,
insurance with that. So yeah, that that seems about right.
And the one thing about Indiana is it does have
(31:37):
a more affordable cost of living than compared to a
lot of these other states other states.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
Indiana ranks as the tenth most affordable state for retirees.
The list goes West, Virginia, Kansas, Mississippi, Oklahoma, Alabama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee, Iowa,
and then Indiana.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
My desire in retirement is to live in a house
really in the middle of nowhere, and then I'll become
one of those forgotten characters where people are like, does
anyone remember Rob Kendall And they'll be like, you mean
the guy that was on WIBC. Yeah, that guy. What
happened in don't know?
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I'm just living, living in a cornfield somewhere or a
woods and just working on my memoirs that somebody will
discover when I kick the bucket.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
So when they have the you know, big anniversary, are
you going to come back anniversary? What? I don't know,
the big radio station anniversary.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
It's universary.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. Who knows, Now something happened
exciting at your house yesterday?
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah? I didn't know these things even existed. But my
wife's grandmother got her one of those little electronic sweepers.
I guess that's what they're called. Yeah, I don't know
what brand it was, but it like it just you
program it and it goes. And this is another example
of where I feel there's too much technology. My house
(32:58):
is not big enough. Like I sweep, it takes me,
you know, twenty minutes. I can sweep the house. I
can get it ready, boom done. And now this little
robot is running around. It's going around my house bumping
into things. Now my wife because she's missed technologies like no,
I'm programming it or it's programming itself to learn the
(33:18):
lay of layout of the house so it will know
exactly where to go and what to do. And it
was very nice that her grandmother got that for us.
But I was like, but I still got to get
I still got to sweep under the couch, you know,
the furniture. It can't go. It's you know, things that
are slower to the ground than it is. But I
guess these things are very popular.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, they are. Now is yours just a dry one?
Or does it have the auto wash? Oh no, it's
like a water It's very basic because they range in
price from nine hundred and ninety nine dollars all the
way down to one hundred and forty nine dollars. Amazon
right now actually pricing the Roomba vacuums pretty low for
their prime days, which are going on right now.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
I'm guessing it was not even that much. Was again,
is very nice and I'm sure it'll be very helpful,
but it was like going And then my kid was
trying to ride write it and we're like, Livy, no,
you can't do that. And then she didn't understand why.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
My problem with one of these things is you have
to charge it right every time I want to go
to use it, the battery is dead, because I would
be one of those people who would forget to charge it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Yeah, but I would think it would get several uses
because it just goes for a while. Here was the
crazy thing. It was the middle of the night. You know,
she programmed it the night before and whatever plugged it in,
and then I'm laying there and in the middle of
the night, this thing starts going off and I'm thinking
of somebody breaking into the house. Is the security alarm?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
No, it's just the robot cleaning.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Do I need to, you know, quickly grab my firearm
and or what is going on here? And then I realized, well,
if it were the alarm for the security system, that
would be making a much louder thing than that. And
then I'm looking around the house like, is the smoke
detector going off? And then finally I'm looking at this
thing and I realized, oh, it's come alive. It's on.
There's it so there's there's lights coming out of it. Yeah,
so this is my new frontier? Is my house now?
(35:05):
I guess gets swept on its on its own.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
Yeah, well that's nice. You don't have to worry about
it anymore.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
Except I still got to get under the couch. You're
living with a robot, I believe crumbs. A toddler gets
under the couch and how does that even work? How
do they get it under the couch is a solid thing?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Well, she is closer to the ground, you know. It
is Kennelly Casey. It's ninety three w IBC
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