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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it's good to know nothing still works in here
on our final day.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
It is.
Speaker 3 (00:03):
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Speaker 1 (00:07):
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it's one of.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
The things to look forward to with the new studios.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Equipment that works, and I always do so well when
things go.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I know, I know, I'm like waiting to see how
you're going to handle this, because you're the guy who
does not like your cheese moved at all. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well, and why is this camera? Solow?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I don't I don't even understand what is like? What's
the shot look like? Oh, that's not too bad. Oh
Katz was here. He I'm surprised he could even find
the radio station.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Cats is here.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, there's allow me to just turn over here for
the people on the YouTube chat and show you I'm I.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Am rocking Casey.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
As we talked about yesterday, my Worm of Winchester shirt
that is our new name for State Rep.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
JD. Prescott for lying to the public not.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Only about property taxes but also the redistricting. So thanks
to Chris Bilbery for bringing me my Worm of Winchester
shirt that I'm proudly rocking here today. All right, So,
speaking of redistricting, Yeah, there's a group that's involved in
reshaping the congressional districts.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They have created a new political committee called Fair Maps
Indiana Action.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's a new super pack.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, now, this is what this is. Marty orbs Marty
is he's not a fan of mine. We've had some
fun on the social media here the past. It well,
it is fun for me. I don't think it's fun
for him. Yeah, but they're pledging what now, They're going
to spend big money to defeat any person who listens
to their constituents and doesn't want to go along with
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altering the maps.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That's his thing.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He's big mad that the lawmakers are listening to poll
after poll after poll that shows people in the state
don't want redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are paying
attention to the couple of the public town halls that
have been had in which almost nobody showed up into
part of redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are looking
at the clear results of these rallies that were had
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in which one had what thirty people, then the next
one might might have gotten one hundred. But then it
got determined that a bunch of those people were media
or Turning Point USA people.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Some of them don't even live in our state.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So he's Matt like, this is always my question to
the people who are threatening the lawmakers, your case at
the door, because that's where elections get one, right, your
case at the door is going to be what, Like
I'm going to playing this out in my mind. Hello,
missus Smith, I'm here for whatever organization this this thing
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is calling itself, and we're here lobbying against your state
Senator Joe so and so.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh what has Joe done? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He voted against redistricting. Oh, you mean the thing that
was in line with how his constituents felt about the issue. Like,
what is the case on this? What you chose your
constituents over Trump. I don't understand why they think this
is some magic bullet that is going to like intimidate
these people into doing what they want.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So the organization has publicly warned lawmakers, vote yes, we
will support you. Vote no, They're going to fund a
strong primary opponent to defeat you. And I'm wondering is
that working against some of these lawmakers?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, logically, let's work through this logically, right. First of all,
if you're talking about somebody up in twenty six, you're
telling me in a month you're going to find like
you're going to scour there's all these lawmakers you're mad at,
and what are you going to disperse foot soldiers out
all across the state to find quality candidates to defeat incumbents.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know, if you've seen the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Reelection rate, it's pretty high. And you got to find
usually a pretty good candidate to defeat an incumbent. That
isn't going to happen. Second of all, you may raise
some money, but in an election year where the majority
of the big money is going to be going to
hotly contested swing state congressional Senate races, you're not going
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to raise big enough money to move the needle across
the entire state. And then, third, if we're talking about
people in twenty eight, nobody's even going to remember this.
In twenty twenty eight, we will be onto a new
presidential election, all sorts of new Senate races, all sorts
of all sorts of new issues. Ye like I would
come on like it's utterly ridiculous that these guys are
huffing and puffing. Now, if you had said, and this
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is what pisses so many people off, Marty, where were
you and you boys when we were trying to help
millions of people with property taxes? Where were you? Then
that's actually a thing that moves the needle on people.
If you knocked on Missus Smith's door and said, hey,
I'm here running against Joe so and so who screwed
you on your property taxes, and you're gonna pay five
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hundred or one thousand dollars more a year because of
this guy, that's something that would move the people.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now you have my attention.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But Marty and his pals were nowhere to be found then,
So I mean, like, this is what angers somebody going.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's amazing the yes people can't see this.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You folks were nowhere to be found when we were
begging for help to actually help people, not help Donald Trump,
not help the DC insider class, not help keep some
Republican majority.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That hasn't done anything for anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We were out there begging to help actual people with
an actual issue that is actually affecting their lives. And
for some reason, all of these various yes groups. Marty
the turning point USA people they can't get it through
their thick skulls, that this is why people aren't on
their side because you weren't there. You guys weren't there
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these causes, these whatevers weren't there when people needed actual help.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Why should we stand with you now?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Fair Maps, Indiana part of a larger conservative nonprofit called
Defending America's Comeback. So let's talk about what super packs
can do. They can't spend unlimited money to support or
oppose candidates. They cannot give money directly to candidates or
coordinate directly with campaigns. They can take unlimited donations from individuals, corporations,
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or unions.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Here's one of the problems with the super pack though,
And I guess in politics there's so much money now
that maybe it doesn't matter. But when a candidate buys
a commercial on terrestrial radio or television so WIBC, WISH TV, whatever,
they get what is called the lowest rate. So when
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you char when our radio station charges advertisers to advertise,
they have you know, different prices, different tiers, whatever, There
is a bottom point, right, and so they call that
the lowest rate.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You as a candidate.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
This is how crooked and rigged politics, as they have
passed the regulations that require you to give that the
official campaign of the candidate. Right, I'm not talking about
friends of or what I'm talking about the official this
is my election or reelection campaign. Everybody gets the lowest rate, right.
The super pack does not. The super pac pays the
premium rate price, and so it is much more expensive
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in many cases for super packs to run ads versus
the candidates themselves. So the bang for the buck oftentimes
doesn't go nearly as far with the political super pac.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So far, fair Maps has already spent over two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars promoting redistricting, and they're saying more
to come. They've got Carla Yoder as their treasurer. That's
the same Carlin that we've had in here. I thought
he was gonna he was considering a run against Todd Young.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He's suposedly going to run against him against Todd. Yeah,
I mean, look, who knows. If I were Carlin, I
would just run, just run. A still shot of Todd
in front of the Fidel Castro photo. I mean, that
would be my entire campaign, but either neither he nor there,
I'm sure they won't be asking my advice. But again,
it comes back to you have wasted all of this capital,
all of this resources, all of these all of this time,
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all this money on something that most people are at
best indifferent about, and those who have an opinion on
it are against it. What is the win here other
than subserviency to Donald Trump. They're so afraid of Trump,
and that's what this is all about. And I think
that's what's so frustrating to people.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Two extra US House seats in twenty twenty six, that's
what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But again, because I had a conversation with somebody last
night about and it was this was a very well
meaning person listener of this program. Every so often, a
lot of times like I just get so many correspondents,
I can't reply to all of them. But sometimes i'll
see when I go, Okay, that's interesting, I'll try to
write back to this person. And they were genuinely asking
about this. Oh man, I almost said it. This bs
that guys like Braun and Mike and the rest of
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these people put out well this Northeastern state as zero
Republicans in Congress.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
How is that fair?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, they What they don't tell you is that state
might have two representatives because it's a small state, a
place like Rhode Island, and it's seventy or sixty percent Democrat.
What should they just carve up a district for the
Republicans one of the two just because we all exist.
Would Indiana do that? No, certainly not. Massachusetts is the
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big one. Again, I've challenged any person. There are these
websites where you can draw your own districts, you can
make your own maps that they're free.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Anybody can go use them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I've yet to see a single solitary person who can
draw any more than one Leans Republican district in Massachusetts.
And that's only if you make most of the other
districts at best seventy thirty Democrat.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
The Massachusetts is.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Eight to zero because it's an overwhelwhelming Democrat state, the
power of Boston, which we don't have here in Indiana
in terms of Indianapolis not being as powerful as Boston,
and the Democrats are spread out across the state. It
is just ridiculous, gobblygook that these people throw out anything
to try to get you on their side. The reality
is the Republicans started with Texas. Fine, California responded, fine,
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it's a net wash on this and we are not
required to hand over seats to bad Republican governance in
Indiana just because Donald Trump can't win by governing because
he's not doing the things he was elected to do.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The bill needs twenty five votes in the Senate, with
the lieutenant governor breaking the tie if needed. So far,
according to Indy Star an article they just put out,
fifteen Republicans have publicly supported the bill, at least twelve
oppose it, and two so far have not stated a position.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, six more likely opposed.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well, I mean, so if you've got let's do the
math here, Well, let's take a break and talk about
math for a second, showing.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
But look this, well all in tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're getting this out of our system today because tomorrow
is the end of this nightmare, one way or another,
and then we won't have to talk about it anymore. Sure,
one way or another. But let's talk about because there's
two things that are very interesting. One is the math,
and two is what the lieutenant governor is going to do,
because that is the fact that he and it is
the thing he would totally do, which is screw the
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people he's actually supposed to be representing. I'm talking about
the farmers, I'm talking about the agbe Oh and by
the way, he's all in on the lieutenant governors now,
mister socialism, because he is totally for the government taking
money from you and giving it to mega corps, the
farming mega corpse. That was fascinating to me that Micah
beck With is now full blown on socialism. We can
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talk about that next too.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're listening to Kennel and Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
He was saying, it was fascinating. Are what do they
call that ratio when you make a post and then
people just overwhelmingly flood it with negativity?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So I saw our lieutenant governor come out and make
a post about him supporting billions of dollars in tax
increases on poor and middle class people and that money
then being given to mega corporations which are profit factories.
But we act like that isn't what they're doing because
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we call them farmers. And of course we're talking about
Trump saying, now he's going to take this twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Write this aid package and help farmers.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Which came from tariffs, which are taxes, their taxes on us. Look,
no corporation is eating the tariff money. Okay, it's all
getting passed on. Corporations don't lose money. That's not how
it operates. Anytime there's a tax on the rich guy
or the big corporations or the whatever, they're just passing
it on to you so you can before that all
you want, you're paying for it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean, that is socialism, right, taking money from people
and giving it to someone who didn't earn it, and
especially if you look at how it's worked in other countries.
The big corporations in this case of the ones benefiting
now we took to this yesterday, they always started to
make it look like, well, it's farmer Fred down on
the corner, he's down on his luck. It's all over
for him. If we don't know, most of this money
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is going to go to gigantic profit factories in which
the people who run them, or the shareholders or whatever
are gajillionaires. So when you're giving it to quote unquote farmers,
that's who you're giving it to. And our Lieutenant Governor
Cerently is all in on poor and middle class people
having goods and services to be made more expensive to
give them to rich farming entities.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That is amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So the announcement it took place at the White House,
and you have the Treasury Secretary Scott Bestnt there and
also the Agriculture Secretary brook Rollins there. So of course
our Lieutenant Governor is going to be on the side
of the Agriculture Secretary of brook Rollins. So the applications
for this are going to be open in the coming weeks.
The money is going to be paid out by February
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twenty eighth. Of twenty six, eleven billion dollars will go
to the Department of Agriculture's Farmer Bridge Assistance Program and
give out one time payments to farmers who grow raw
crops like corn and soybeans.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then but Thist what's fascing is he is supposed
to be the advocate of AG in the state of Indiana.
So if your excuse is going to be okay, I'm
all in on AG and I don't care if it's
a gajillionaire that we're giving your money to. If they
put AG next to their industry, then I'm going to
be for them. Okay, I can disagree with that, And
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it's very weird that your pro take tax increases for
people struggling to get by Micah beck With and giving
it to rich people. That's weird, but it is what
it is. If you're wed to I'm all in on AG. Fine, However,
how would you square that with that? He could tomorrow
be the deciding vote on redistricting, which indisputably Jacob Stewart
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from Indy Star had a fabulous column on this just
last week, is going to totally hose AG and rural
America in favor of putting Indianapolis Republicans back in charge
of our state. How can you square those two things together? Where, hey,
I'm all in on AG all the time, including taking
money from you and giving it to them, but not
when it comes to voting on See how there's just
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no consistency with these people. They just pull it out
of their ass and they make it up as they
go along whatever fits them in the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'm laughing at one of these influencers online.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
They put a post up and said, confirm Republican gain
in regards to redistricting across the country Texas plus five,
Missouri plus one, Ohio plus two, North Carolina plus one,
Indiana plus two.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
No, we haven't voted yet. It is wild they're saying
it's been confirmed, not yet. It is wild that these
just idiot internet people and you look, I'm sure they're
this ridiculous on everything, but you just don't notice it
because there's so much going on on the Internet and
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you just scroll past it and if it's not your state,
it's you know, whatever, you don't have any perspective on it.
How wrong they have been on so much of this,
the ridiculous way in which they've behaved through all of this,
and yet these are.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The people that get propped up.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
These are the people who get invited to the White House,
the cat turd, the draino guy, like I mean, these
are the people that are controlling a lot of what's
going on as it relates to Trump's orbit. And it
should scare the hell out of everyone because they have
exposed themselves on this redistricting issue to be completely uninformed buffoons.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Right when they're from Florida or Arizona, they don't live
in this state, and they're talking like they're experts on
what's going.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
On in Indiana. Well, the same could be said for
the people who drew the new maps.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, all right, so let's take a break. Jim Merrit's
going to join us next. Obviously, no one knows the
Senate better than he does. We're going to get a
perspective on where these undecideds may actually be. Are they
actually undecided? If they're not, what are they waiting for?
What do we make of that six' to three committee
vote yesterday two days? Ago but yet the three Saying
i'm just moving it? Forward like where do we think
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all of this is going to go? Down Jim merrit
will tell us.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Next it's ninety THREE wybc.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Hectys tomorrow's the day all the misery comes to.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It it'll be joy for some despair for.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Brothers let's find out what might be taking place behind
those closed door conversations In senate offices.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Here at The Indiana State.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
House nobody knows The Indiana senate better than this, guy
The Great Jim, merrett thirty years in The Indiana. Senate,
hello good, Morning. Robert all, right so tomorrow is the
vote on. Redistricting it appears to be currently about twenty hard,
nos twenty hard, yeses and ten people who will decide
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the future of.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Humanity you know how The senate.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Operates my instinct, says if you ain't said, yes because
once you say, yes the pressure's.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Off aren't you leaning?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No are you in?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Know and you just don't want to say? It but
you know these guys better than anybody. Else what say you?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
THINK i think we know this past The Elections committee
in past six three a couple or three of the
yes is WHERE i want this the Whole senate to
have the opportunity to speak on this. Issue and that's
not something that is. New and that's that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Happen that you have seen that happen, before where guys
are as to Say i'm moving this far and then
vote against it.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Countless times because a lot of times legislation comes into
committee half baked and uh and and people wanted to
see what the the whole encelota, is if you, will
and so it It, uh it's this is they are
breaking records because, uh this is this is not ground
that's been tilled ever in the in the State, house
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and so they're they're operating kind of. Blind. Uh kudos
To Center bray for the courtesies that he has that
he has offered the process because he could have assigned
this bill to The Rules, committee of which he is,
chairman and killed the, bill or because he had the,
votes or because he wouldn't hear. It we know he
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is a no, vote but he wants to allow his
whole caucus to have the opportunity to speak on this.
Issue so they did pass it out of The Elections,
committee and we know there are Ten democrat votes against,
it so all they really need is fifteen or Sixteen
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republicans to say no out of forty and, uh you,
know there you.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Go but.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
There's a lot of in the State house right. Now
there's a lot of. Anxiety there's a lot of fear,
money you, know you, Like i'm going to work.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Here, yeah but but but this is all up to
the senators and and uh THERE i mean like if
there will be amendments offered today On, wednesday.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
There are no amendments they're gonna pass'll be offered and
they'll be they'll be. Defeated but just to tell, her,
bud but the, Process.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah if you're one of the, ten, though you've had six. Months,
YEAH i, mean once you say, yes the turning, point
the bear maps, people they leave you. Alone the nose
aren't organized enough to like bombard you with.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Stuff there's there's not going to be. Fear wouldn't?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You would you just let the Time i'm for, it
and now leave me, alone get out of my.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Hair, YES i would expect as a member of The,
senate your mind should be made up by. Now, yeah
and and uh and and maybe they're just running along
and AND i want to be a factor at the.
End there is just the human effort.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Here jim rob had mentioned.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Something he, said there's conversations behind closed. Doors walk us
through what that is like and are they?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Effective, well you Hear Speaker johnson From washington calling individual,
Members you've Heard President trump calling the. Leaders and you
have a majority Leader Chris, gartin who is for. It
you have a pro tem who is against. It so
it's a it's a it's a it's a soup that
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is is.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Being cooked right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Now and and you really don't know what's happening with
government funding of. Hospitals, uh you don't know if farmers
are upset that you're going to upset the apple cart
with a Yes, uh there are so many factors that
are that are being played out that we really don't
know right now what is happening behind door. Doors and
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like everything, else it's, anxiety it's, fear it's it's it's.
Money uh and and it's reelection and uh and in
primaries and so, uh it's a it's a combination that
that we just don't know what is going behind going
on behind closed. Doors, because Like i've, said this is
until landed in.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Politics if you were undecided at this, point, RIGHT i
don't see how anybody can possibly at this point be.
Undecided but if you are undecided at this, point what
do you want to hear in the next day both?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Sides like what? Side what?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Side if you are still a senator and, undecided what
would you want to hear either way to help you
make up your?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Mind, WELL i think you know you've known me for
a long, time AND i would have had my.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Mind you have had the great displeasure of knowing me
for about nine years.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
NOW i would have had my mind made up from
the very beginning Because i'm an.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Institutionalist i'm a.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
ESTABLISHMENT i, understand, uh you know the, process and AND
i also CAN i can also go to constituents' houses
and explain my. Position so So i'm the wrong person to.
Ask but when you, talk when you talk about an
individual who might be in a purple district as A
republican and you have a donor or you have a
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voting base that may turn against, you and it threatens
your political life and you you enjoy your position a state,
senator you want to be governor are you going to
be a member Of congress? Someday? Uh those are all
threats to, you political threats to. You and and so
the the the person who doesn't know their position on
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how they're going to vote, tomorrow has some uh not,
hidden but some factor in their life that is is
at their at their it could push you one way
or another in the next twenty four.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Hours show a, vulnerability vulnerability exactly. Right, so with.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
These threats of being primaried and getting beat up online
by the social media, influencers does that really sway?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
PEOPLE i, mean does that matter to?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Them?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
WELL i THINK i think it's just a combination of
of a lot of factors that we don't. Know but
LIKE i, said In House, HAPPENINGS i had twenty three
environmentalists against me on a utility, issue AND i just
went and visited them at their houses and worked at
house by house.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
House you went to these people's.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Home oh, yeah and they were so surprised today that's. Crazy,
yeah WELL i probably would do it today as silly
AS i. Am but but but that's how you what
do you do the latest? Offer, hey It's Jim. Merritt
come out here and talk about.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
This you know it's.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
My name Is jim merrin. KNOT i have this email
THAT i printed off that you said some very unkind
things about, me And i'd like to explain my position
on this vote or WHY i did this this chairman
of The Utility. Committee and that's what you have to,
do is the hand to hand type of. Campaigning that's
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what these individuals would regardless if they vote yes or,
no they're going to have to explain themselves and have
to fight off the people that are against. You is
that what politics?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Is is that why they always say CAN i please
explain my?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Vote?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Yes, yes because because you're Cry you're on, record.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Ever cry me camera while explaining a. Vote that's kind of.
Pathetic Or Kyle walker and he's on the same side
as we.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Are Not Kyle, Walker. Gregg Kyle walker has been very.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Clear yeah, yeah yeah, Yeah Kyle walker kind of like
him his business partner's part and he's, Like i'm out of.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Here i'm not dealing with you, Anymore, marty see you.
LATER i Want.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Kyle walker to run For congress if this redraw goes,
through because he's in that, district The southern.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
District but but But Greg walker gets up there and
doing the river of tears, right and it's.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Like it's kind of that's kind of over the.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Top Greg walker is a very good friend of, mine
and he puts his heart and soul into, it and
a lot of these, legislators a lot of these senators
have put their heart and soul into.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It cry do you ever? Cry and you're dodging the. Question, No,
NO i have never.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Cried had been through a couple of crisis And i've never.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Cried, okay you.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Know there's a lot of fear, here but you know
fear with riff of the fear that your society and everything's. Changing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now, LOOK i get this, though But i'm Not i'm
not shedding any tears for somebody who makes seventy grand
or more a year to work for three months Like i'm,
Sorry i'm Not and this is WHAT i always found,
casey because nobody ever BET i would get the anonymous
stuff to my, house you, know but nobody would ever bother.
Me and one of times when my colleagues asked, me
they call me, NonStop why don't they ever call? You
(26:15):
AND i, said it's pretty. Simple they know it ain't gonna. Work,
yeah but they badger people who they think they can.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Bully let's talk about this for a second. Though, yeah
when you had the property text issue last, spring you
saw a lot of fear in the eyes of people
and and senior. Citizens i've got ninety two year old
parents and they can't pay their property.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Text that is.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Fear and, yeahs fear from the.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
People these, LAWMAKERS i recognize that screwing, Everybody but that's
why they came to the State house to put their record,
there and and and and in these, legislature the legislators
are fearful for their political.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Lives, okay in the poor, Babies.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Okay in the mold of college the college Football playoff selection,
committee we basically had five weeks of you, saying, uh
it will be voted down your final. Take are you gonna?
Flip are you gonna Put miami in a Kick notre dame?
Ount are you staying?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Consistent Jim, MARRETT i think everybody would Know i'm staying.
CONSISTENT i think it'll be a close. VOTE i THINK
i said On State How It happenings that it would
be fitting with this whole process that if it's twenty
five to twenty five And Lieutenant governor breaks.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It screwing all the.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Farmers, YEAH i.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Think that would be a fitting for, this this this
situation that has never happened.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Hope oh he Would micah Beck with would take great
joy in screwing.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Farmers, well he's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Hero, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay so but you think it's a, no, RIGHT.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I think it's gonna be, Close BUT i think it's a.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, okay very.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Good Jim merritt find Him merritt in The morning is
the name of the, Podcast Jim Underline merrit On.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Twitter It's Kennelly casey on ninety THREE wybc.
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Camp doing a lot of.
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Smooch my butt cheeks theme today because this is our
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Wibc It's Kenny Casey, show good.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Morning you know who else we're saying goodbye to Pop.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Osiley, correct he's stepping down as The Indianapolis City County
council president next.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Month, YEAH i mean we should clarify he has not
like passed away or anything like. That he's still, living.
Breathing in, fact he's trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe saying goodbye to his. Presidents, yeah he's.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Trying to inbold.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Himself so Vop ossiley is part of the you, know
the axis of, evil the triangle of, terror whatever you
want to call, it is to run this city into the.
Ground as The Indianapolis City County council. President you may
remember him most recently from things such as sicking the
cops on those women who are trying to speak at
the council meaning about what a rotten underhanded Sob Thomas Carl,
(28:55):
cook the mayor's right hand, man was And Joe hoggs
that was for cover. Up is such a strong word
but covering it, up and that was probably the most
recent time he made big.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Headlines but he.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Is stepping down as The Indianapolis City County council, president
and many people believe that is because he is going
to run for the mayor Of indianapolis in twenty twenty,
seven and he knows being the head of anything In
indianapolis would be a giant stain on his resume come
twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Seven he's going to stay on the council and continue
Representing district. Twelve even though he's stepping down as president
and he's long been considered a likely future mayoral. Candidate
he's going to have some, competition right because other people
are saying some of his rivals might Be Ryan Meers Andrea,
hunley who's the state. Senator many people would love For
(29:41):
Andrew ireland to run for mayor Of.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Indianapolis, casey there, no there's no chance Of republicans is
going to win anything In. Indianapolis And Andrew, ireland as
ridiculous as he's proven himself to be as way too
smart to do. That but you are correct in the
on The democrats And Andrey carson in their correct in
there as, well, SO i, mean whoever Replaces now some
(30:06):
people Think hogseet is not just going to give it
up because he's incapable of probably getting a real job of.
Inequality who would Hire Joe. Hogseet, well it's one of.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
The REASONS i Believe ostley didn't run in twenty three
because Hog set ran.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Again, well, right BUT i mean we have long moved
past that now with all the, scandals AND i, mean,
look you can disappear during the riots and that's. Fine
you can let the city burn and that's, fine but
the media is not going to stand for the tales
those women were telling in regards To Thomas Carl cook's
behavior as a government employee In boss Hog set's job
(30:44):
and covering it. Up, now, look whoever it, is it's
not going to get any. Better there's just no. Way
whether It's ostley or Hog set again Or hunley Or.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
CARSON i, mean are any of these people where you?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Go i'm interested in. That more of that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Now what we need to have, happen And i'm hoping
it does IS i have long SAID i think our
Old palindi reporter needs to run for mayor Of. Indianapolis,
well whether that says an r Or. All he wouldn't
have much chance of, winning but boy would that be wildly.
Entertaining Stephen whitmer needs to run for mayor Of indianapolis
and that would at least give us a reason to
pay attention to the whole. Thing but in terms of, results,
(31:20):
no we're this city is. TOAST i mean you walk
around down, here it's like some dystopian you, Know orwellian type.
Existence when you walk around, downtown nobody's, out nobody wants
to be. Here the whole city's under construction twenty four
hours a, day seven days a.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Week huge hole On washington's like the whole.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Way have you posted a video Yet i'm your drive to? Work,
NO i have.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It i'll do that here in just a few.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Minutes what did you TikTok Or instagram or? Whatever you
videoed your drive into? Work and you live very close
to the radio. Station but just what a colossal dumpster?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Fire ran change is required through all the construction as. Something,
YEAH i.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Mean it's just it's it's horrific and there's nothing that
any of these people who we have just named who
are going to Be It's Ryan meres in there as,
WELL i don't think we put his or did we
put his name out?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
THERE i don't.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Know, anyway it doesn't it doesn't matter who it. Is
nobody's got the fortitude or the quite, frankly the creativity
to bring this city. Back and so it just it
is what it. Is it's just a giant pile of.
Suck it's going to remain a pile of. Suck and
if you, wish if you live, HERE i wish you the.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Best so hog.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Set his account ended in twenty twenty four with still
over seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars in, it raising
some speculation is he going to consider a fourth. TERM i,
mean you got to have some money to run for this.
Job look At Jefferson shreeve, well and a lot of.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
It depends upon the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Maps If carson is indeed and this is What i've, said,
look that is the last guy you should want to
run in the city Of. Indianapolis but if the maps
are not, CHANGED i think he'll stay in The, congress
in his safe seat and continued to just produce zero
in the in The in The, congress at least you
can't harm anybody right now in The congress because he's
in the. Minority if you were the mayor Of, indianapolis
(33:08):
he could do a men's harm to the people of this.
City BUT i think, realistically let's say the maps don't.
Pass you've Got, Merrors you've got hog set, Again you've Got.
Astley those are probably your three top. Contenders Andrea, huntley
who's a state, senator also mulling a.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Run AND i just, like how did it get this?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
BAD i, mean that's the, question, Right how did a
city that has so much going for, it that has
so much to, offer that brings so much in in
terms of this you, know the sporting events and the live,
events the Convention, center About Da Da da, Da how
how did.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
They screw it? Up no, answer you live.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Here, well what you see on YOUR tv during sporting
events and what is real are two different.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Things.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What, Yeah ostley didn't confirm a mayoral, run but he
did say that this move will mark a new check
in his.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Service, okay so when we come, Back Jacob, stewart indie
star pal friend of the, show has an article on
why he thinks redistricting is going.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Down i'm in.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
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Casey it's ninety THREE wybc
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
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Speaker 3 (00:23):
I know, I know, I'm like waiting to see how
you're going to handle this, because you're the guy who
does not like your cheese moved at all. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
Well, and why is this camera? Solow?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I don't I don't even understand what is like? What's
the shot look like? Oh, that's not too bad. Oh
Katz was here. He I'm surprised he could even find
the radio station.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Cats is here.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Well, there's allow me to just turn over here for
the people on the YouTube chat and show you I'm I.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
Am rocking Casey.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
As we talked about yesterday, my Worm of Winchester shirt
that is our new name for State Rep.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
JD. Prescott for lying to the public not.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Only about property taxes but also the redistricting. So thanks
to Chris Bilbery for bringing me my Worm of Winchester
shirt that I'm proudly rocking here today. All right, So,
speaking of redistricting, Yeah, there's a group that's involved in
reshaping the congressional districts.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
They have created a new political committee called Fair Maps
Indiana Action.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
It's a new super pack.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Okay, now, this is what this is. Marty orbs Marty
is he's not a fan of mine. We've had some
fun on the social media here the past. It well,
it is fun for me. I don't think it's fun
for him. Yeah, but they're pledging what now, They're going
to spend big money to defeat any person who listens
to their constituents and doesn't want to go along with
(01:39):
altering the maps.
Speaker 4 (01:41):
That's his thing.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
He's big mad that the lawmakers are listening to poll
after poll after poll that shows people in the state
don't want redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are paying
attention to the couple of the public town halls that
have been had in which almost nobody showed up into
part of redistricting. He's mad that the lawmakers are looking
at the clear results of these rallies that were had
(02:05):
in which one had what thirty people, then the next
one might might have gotten one hundred. But then it
got determined that a bunch of those people were media
or Turning Point USA people.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Some of them don't even live in our state.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
So he's Matt like, this is always my question to
the people who are threatening the lawmakers, your case at
the door, because that's where elections get one, right, your
case at the door is going to be what, Like
I'm going to playing this out in my mind. Hello,
missus Smith, I'm here for whatever organization this this thing
(02:36):
is calling itself, and we're here lobbying against your state
Senator Joe so and so.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Oh what has Joe done? Well?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
He voted against redistricting. Oh, you mean the thing that
was in line with how his constituents felt about the issue. Like,
what is the case on this? What you chose your
constituents over Trump. I don't understand why they think this
is some magic bullet that is going to like intimidate
these people into doing what they want.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
So the organization has publicly warned lawmakers, vote yes, we
will support you. Vote no, They're going to fund a
strong primary opponent to defeat you. And I'm wondering is
that working against some of these lawmakers?
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, logically, let's work through this logically, right. First of all,
if you're talking about somebody up in twenty six, you're
telling me in a month you're going to find like
you're going to scour there's all these lawmakers you're mad at,
and what are you going to disperse foot soldiers out
all across the state to find quality candidates to defeat incumbents.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
I don't know, if you've seen the incumbent.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Reelection rate, it's pretty high. And you got to find
usually a pretty good candidate to defeat an incumbent. That
isn't going to happen. Second of all, you may raise
some money, but in an election year where the majority
of the big money is going to be going to
hotly contested swing state congressional Senate races, you're not going
(03:59):
to raise big enough money to move the needle across
the entire state. And then, third, if we're talking about
people in twenty eight, nobody's even going to remember this.
In twenty twenty eight, we will be onto a new
presidential election, all sorts of new Senate races, all sorts
of all sorts of new issues. Ye like I would
come on like it's utterly ridiculous that these guys are
huffing and puffing. Now, if you had said, and this
(04:22):
is what pisses so many people off, Marty, where were
you and you boys when we were trying to help
millions of people with property taxes? Where were you? Then
that's actually a thing that moves the needle on people.
If you knocked on Missus Smith's door and said, hey,
I'm here running against Joe so and so who screwed
you on your property taxes, and you're gonna pay five
(04:44):
hundred or one thousand dollars more a year because of
this guy, that's something that would move the people.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Now you have my attention.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But Marty and his pals were nowhere to be found then,
So I mean, like, this is what angers somebody going.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
It's amazing the yes people can't see this.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
You folks were nowhere to be found when we were
begging for help to actually help people, not help Donald Trump,
not help the DC insider class, not help keep some
Republican majority.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
That hasn't done anything for anybody.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
We were out there begging to help actual people with
an actual issue that is actually affecting their lives. And
for some reason, all of these various yes groups. Marty
the turning point USA people they can't get it through
their thick skulls, that this is why people aren't on
their side because you weren't there. You guys weren't there
(05:35):
these causes, these whatevers weren't there when people needed actual help.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
Why should we stand with you now?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Fair Maps, Indiana part of a larger conservative nonprofit called
Defending America's Comeback. So let's talk about what super packs
can do. They can't spend unlimited money to support or
oppose candidates. They cannot give money directly to candidates or
coordinate directly with campaigns. They can take unlimited donations from individuals, corporations,
(06:03):
or unions.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
Here's one of the problems with the super pack though,
And I guess in politics there's so much money now
that maybe it doesn't matter. But when a candidate buys
a commercial on terrestrial radio or television so WIBC, WISH TV, whatever,
they get what is called the lowest rate. So when
(06:25):
you char when our radio station charges advertisers to advertise,
they have you know, different prices, different tiers, whatever, There
is a bottom point, right, and so they call that
the lowest rate.
Speaker 4 (06:38):
You as a candidate.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
This is how crooked and rigged politics, as they have
passed the regulations that require you to give that the
official campaign of the candidate. Right, I'm not talking about
friends of or what I'm talking about the official this
is my election or reelection campaign. Everybody gets the lowest rate, right.
The super pack does not. The super pac pays the
premium rate price, and so it is much more expensive
(07:03):
in many cases for super packs to run ads versus
the candidates themselves. So the bang for the buck oftentimes
doesn't go nearly as far with the political super pac.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
So far, fair Maps has already spent over two hundred
and fifty thousand dollars promoting redistricting, and they're saying more
to come. They've got Carla Yoder as their treasurer. That's
the same Carlin that we've had in here. I thought
he was gonna he was considering a run against Todd Young.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
Yeah, he is.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He's suposedly going to run against him against Todd. Yeah,
I mean, look, who knows. If I were Carlin, I
would just run, just run. A still shot of Todd
in front of the Fidel Castro photo. I mean, that
would be my entire campaign, but either neither he nor there,
I'm sure they won't be asking my advice. But again,
it comes back to you have wasted all of this capital,
all of this resources, all of these all of this time,
(07:48):
all this money on something that most people are at
best indifferent about, and those who have an opinion on
it are against it. What is the win here other
than subserviency to Donald Trump. They're so afraid of Trump,
and that's what this is all about. And I think
that's what's so frustrating to people.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Two extra US House seats in twenty twenty six, that's
what this is all about.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Right.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
But again, because I had a conversation with somebody last
night about and it was this was a very well
meaning person listener of this program. Every so often, a
lot of times like I just get so many correspondents,
I can't reply to all of them. But sometimes i'll
see when I go, Okay, that's interesting, I'll try to
write back to this person. And they were genuinely asking
about this. Oh man, I almost said it. This bs
that guys like Braun and Mike and the rest of
(08:34):
these people put out well this Northeastern state as zero
Republicans in Congress.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
How is that fair?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Well, they What they don't tell you is that state
might have two representatives because it's a small state, a
place like Rhode Island, and it's seventy or sixty percent Democrat.
What should they just carve up a district for the
Republicans one of the two just because we all exist.
Would Indiana do that? No, certainly not. Massachusetts is the
(09:04):
big one. Again, I've challenged any person. There are these
websites where you can draw your own districts, you can
make your own maps that they're free.
Speaker 4 (09:11):
Anybody can go use them.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
I've yet to see a single solitary person who can
draw any more than one Leans Republican district in Massachusetts.
And that's only if you make most of the other
districts at best seventy thirty Democrat.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
The Massachusetts is.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Eight to zero because it's an overwhelwhelming Democrat state, the
power of Boston, which we don't have here in Indiana
in terms of Indianapolis not being as powerful as Boston,
and the Democrats are spread out across the state. It
is just ridiculous, gobblygook that these people throw out anything
to try to get you on their side. The reality
is the Republicans started with Texas. Fine, California responded, fine,
(09:53):
it's a net wash on this and we are not
required to hand over seats to bad Republican governance in
Indiana just because Donald Trump can't win by governing because
he's not doing the things he was elected to do.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
The bill needs twenty five votes in the Senate, with
the lieutenant governor breaking the tie if needed. So far,
according to Indy Star an article they just put out,
fifteen Republicans have publicly supported the bill, at least twelve
oppose it, and two so far have not stated a position.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
Well, six more likely opposed.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
Well, I mean, so if you've got let's do the
math here, Well, let's take a break and talk about
math for a second, showing.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
But look this, well all in tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
We're getting this out of our system today because tomorrow
is the end of this nightmare, one way or another,
and then we won't have to talk about it anymore. Sure,
one way or another. But let's talk about because there's
two things that are very interesting. One is the math,
and two is what the lieutenant governor is going to do,
because that is the fact that he and it is
the thing he would totally do, which is screw the
(10:55):
people he's actually supposed to be representing. I'm talking about
the farmers, I'm talking about the agbe Oh and by
the way, he's all in on the lieutenant governors now,
mister socialism, because he is totally for the government taking
money from you and giving it to mega corps, the
farming mega corpse. That was fascinating to me that Micah
beck With is now full blown on socialism. We can
(11:16):
talk about that next too.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
You're listening to Kennel and Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
He was saying, it was fascinating. Are what do they
call that ratio when you make a post and then
people just overwhelmingly flood it with negativity?
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Correct?
Speaker 1 (11:34):
So I saw our lieutenant governor come out and make
a post about him supporting billions of dollars in tax
increases on poor and middle class people and that money
then being given to mega corporations which are profit factories.
But we act like that isn't what they're doing because
(11:54):
we call them farmers. And of course we're talking about
Trump saying, now he's going to take this twelve billion dollars.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Write this aid package and help farmers.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Which came from tariffs, which are taxes, their taxes on us. Look,
no corporation is eating the tariff money. Okay, it's all
getting passed on. Corporations don't lose money. That's not how
it operates. Anytime there's a tax on the rich guy
or the big corporations or the whatever, they're just passing
it on to you so you can before that all
you want, you're paying for it.
Speaker 4 (12:22):
And I thought it was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
I mean, that is socialism, right, taking money from people
and giving it to someone who didn't earn it, and
especially if you look at how it's worked in other countries.
The big corporations in this case of the ones benefiting
now we took to this yesterday, they always started to
make it look like, well, it's farmer Fred down on
the corner, he's down on his luck. It's all over
for him. If we don't know, most of this money
(12:46):
is going to go to gigantic profit factories in which
the people who run them, or the shareholders or whatever
are gajillionaires. So when you're giving it to quote unquote farmers,
that's who you're giving it to. And our Lieutenant Governor
Cerently is all in on poor and middle class people
having goods and services to be made more expensive to
give them to rich farming entities.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
That is amazing to me.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
So the announcement it took place at the White House,
and you have the Treasury Secretary Scott Bestnt there and
also the Agriculture Secretary brook Rollins there. So of course
our Lieutenant Governor is going to be on the side
of the Agriculture Secretary of brook Rollins. So the applications
for this are going to be open in the coming weeks.
The money is going to be paid out by February
(13:29):
twenty eighth. Of twenty six, eleven billion dollars will go
to the Department of Agriculture's Farmer Bridge Assistance Program and
give out one time payments to farmers who grow raw
crops like corn and soybeans.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
And then but Thist what's fascing is he is supposed
to be the advocate of AG in the state of Indiana.
So if your excuse is going to be okay, I'm
all in on AG and I don't care if it's
a gajillionaire that we're giving your money to. If they
put AG next to their industry, then I'm going to
be for them. Okay, I can disagree with that, And
(14:06):
it's very weird that your pro take tax increases for
people struggling to get by Micah beck With and giving
it to rich people. That's weird, but it is what
it is. If you're wed to I'm all in on AG. Fine, However,
how would you square that with that? He could tomorrow
be the deciding vote on redistricting, which indisputably Jacob Stewart
(14:28):
from Indy Star had a fabulous column on this just
last week, is going to totally hose AG and rural
America in favor of putting Indianapolis Republicans back in charge
of our state. How can you square those two things together? Where, hey,
I'm all in on AG all the time, including taking
money from you and giving it to them, but not
when it comes to voting on See how there's just
(14:49):
no consistency with these people. They just pull it out
of their ass and they make it up as they
go along whatever fits them in the moment.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
I'm laughing at one of these influencers online.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
They put a post up and said, confirm Republican gain
in regards to redistricting across the country Texas plus five,
Missouri plus one, Ohio plus two, North Carolina plus one,
Indiana plus two.
Speaker 5 (15:11):
No, we haven't voted yet. It is wild they're saying
it's been confirmed, not yet. It is wild that these
just idiot internet people and you look, I'm sure they're
this ridiculous on everything, but you just don't notice it
because there's so much going on on the Internet and
(15:32):
you just scroll past it and if it's not your state,
it's you know, whatever, you don't have any perspective on it.
How wrong they have been on so much of this,
the ridiculous way in which they've behaved through all of this,
and yet these are.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
The people that get propped up.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
These are the people who get invited to the White House,
the cat turd, the draino guy, like I mean, these
are the people that are controlling a lot of what's
going on as it relates to Trump's orbit. And it
should scare the hell out of everyone because they have
exposed themselves on this redistricting issue to be completely uninformed buffoons.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
Right when they're from Florida or Arizona, they don't live
in this state, and they're talking like they're experts on
what's going.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
On in Indiana. Well, the same could be said for
the people who drew the new maps.
Speaker 1 (16:20):
Yeah, all right, so let's take a break. Jim Merrit's
going to join us next. Obviously, no one knows the
Senate better than he does. We're going to get a
perspective on where these undecideds may actually be. Are they
actually undecided? If they're not, what are they waiting for?
What do we make of that six' to three committee
vote yesterday two days? Ago but yet the three Saying
i'm just moving it? Forward like where do we think
(16:42):
all of this is going to go? Down Jim merrit
will tell us.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Next it's ninety THREE wybc.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Hectys tomorrow's the day all the misery comes to.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
It it'll be joy for some despair for.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Brothers let's find out what might be taking place behind
those closed door conversations In senate offices.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Here at The Indiana State.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
House nobody knows The Indiana senate better than this, guy
The Great Jim, merrett thirty years in The Indiana. Senate,
hello good, Morning. Robert all, right so tomorrow is the
vote on. Redistricting it appears to be currently about twenty hard,
nos twenty hard, yeses and ten people who will decide
(17:33):
the future of.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
Humanity you know how The senate.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Operates my instinct, says if you ain't said, yes because
once you say, yes the pressure's.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Off aren't you leaning?
Speaker 1 (17:47):
No are you in?
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Know and you just don't want to say? It but
you know these guys better than anybody. Else what say you?
Speaker 6 (17:52):
THINK i think we know this past The Elections committee
in past six three a couple or three of the
yes is WHERE i want this the Whole senate to
have the opportunity to speak on this. Issue and that's
not something that is. New and that's that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Happen that you have seen that happen, before where guys
are as to Say i'm moving this far and then
vote against it.
Speaker 6 (18:16):
Countless times because a lot of times legislation comes into
committee half baked and uh and and people wanted to
see what the the whole encelota, is if you, will
and so it It, uh it's this is they are
breaking records because, uh this is this is not ground
that's been tilled ever in the in the State, house
(18:38):
and so they're they're operating kind of. Blind. Uh kudos
To Center bray for the courtesies that he has that
he has offered the process because he could have assigned
this bill to The Rules, committee of which he is,
chairman and killed the, bill or because he had the,
votes or because he wouldn't hear. It we know he
(19:00):
is a no, vote but he wants to allow his
whole caucus to have the opportunity to speak on this.
Issue so they did pass it out of The Elections,
committee and we know there are Ten democrat votes against,
it so all they really need is fifteen or Sixteen
(19:20):
republicans to say no out of forty and, uh you,
know there you.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
Go but.
Speaker 6 (19:27):
There's a lot of in the State house right. Now
there's a lot of. Anxiety there's a lot of fear,
money you, know you, Like i'm going to work.
Speaker 7 (19:36):
Here, yeah but but but this is all up to
the senators and and uh THERE i mean like if
there will be amendments offered today On, wednesday.
Speaker 6 (19:48):
There are no amendments they're gonna pass'll be offered and
they'll be they'll be. Defeated but just to tell, her,
bud but the, Process.
Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah if you're one of the, ten, though you've had six. Months,
YEAH i, mean once you say, yes the turning, point
the bear maps, people they leave you. Alone the nose
aren't organized enough to like bombard you with.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
Stuff there's there's not going to be. Fear wouldn't?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
You would you just let the Time i'm for, it
and now leave me, alone get out of my.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Hair, YES i would expect as a member of The,
senate your mind should be made up by. Now, yeah
and and uh and and maybe they're just running along
and AND i want to be a factor at the.
End there is just the human effort.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
Here jim rob had mentioned.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
Something he, said there's conversations behind closed. Doors walk us
through what that is like and are they?
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Effective, well you Hear Speaker johnson From washington calling individual,
Members you've Heard President trump calling the. Leaders and you
have a majority Leader Chris, gartin who is for. It
you have a pro tem who is against. It so
it's a it's a it's a it's a soup that
(21:02):
is is.
Speaker 4 (21:03):
Being cooked right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
Now and and you really don't know what's happening with
government funding of. Hospitals, uh you don't know if farmers
are upset that you're going to upset the apple cart
with a Yes, uh there are so many factors that
are that are being played out that we really don't
know right now what is happening behind door. Doors and
(21:27):
like everything, else it's, anxiety it's, fear it's it's it's.
Money uh and and it's reelection and uh and in
primaries and so, uh it's a it's a combination that
that we just don't know what is going behind going
on behind closed. Doors, because Like i've, said this is
until landed in.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Politics if you were undecided at this, point, RIGHT i
don't see how anybody can possibly at this point be.
Undecided but if you are undecided at this, point what
do you want to hear in the next day both?
Speaker 4 (21:59):
Sides like what? Side what?
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Side if you are still a senator and, undecided what
would you want to hear either way to help you
make up your?
Speaker 6 (22:07):
Mind, WELL i think you know you've known me for
a long, time AND i would have had my.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Mind you have had the great displeasure of knowing me
for about nine years.
Speaker 6 (22:14):
NOW i would have had my mind made up from
the very beginning Because i'm an.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Institutionalist i'm a.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
ESTABLISHMENT i, understand, uh you know the, process and AND
i also CAN i can also go to constituents' houses
and explain my. Position so So i'm the wrong person to.
Ask but when you, talk when you talk about an
individual who might be in a purple district as A
republican and you have a donor or you have a
(22:42):
voting base that may turn against, you and it threatens
your political life and you you enjoy your position a state,
senator you want to be governor are you going to
be a member Of congress? Someday? Uh those are all
threats to, you political threats to. You and and so
the the the person who doesn't know their position on
(23:03):
how they're going to vote, tomorrow has some uh not,
hidden but some factor in their life that is is
at their at their it could push you one way
or another in the next twenty four.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Hours show a, vulnerability vulnerability exactly. Right, so with.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
These threats of being primaried and getting beat up online
by the social media, influencers does that really sway?
Speaker 2 (23:30):
PEOPLE i, mean does that matter to?
Speaker 3 (23:32):
Them?
Speaker 6 (23:33):
WELL i THINK i think it's just a combination of
of a lot of factors that we don't. Know but
LIKE i, said In House, HAPPENINGS i had twenty three
environmentalists against me on a utility, issue AND i just
went and visited them at their houses and worked at
house by house.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
House you went to these people's.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Home oh, yeah and they were so surprised today that's. Crazy,
yeah WELL i probably would do it today as silly
AS i. Am but but but that's how you what
do you do the latest? Offer, hey It's Jim. Merritt
come out here and talk about.
Speaker 4 (24:09):
This you know it's.
Speaker 6 (24:13):
My name Is jim merrin. KNOT i have this email
THAT i printed off that you said some very unkind
things about, me And i'd like to explain my position
on this vote or WHY i did this this chairman
of The Utility. Committee and that's what you have to,
do is the hand to hand type of. Campaigning that's
(24:35):
what these individuals would regardless if they vote yes or,
no they're going to have to explain themselves and have
to fight off the people that are against. You is
that what politics?
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Is is that why they always say CAN i please
explain my?
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Vote?
Speaker 6 (24:47):
Yes, yes because because you're Cry you're on, record.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Ever cry me camera while explaining a. Vote that's kind of.
Pathetic Or Kyle walker and he's on the same side
as we.
Speaker 4 (24:58):
Are Not Kyle, Walker. Gregg Kyle walker has been very.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Clear yeah, yeah yeah, Yeah Kyle walker kind of like
him his business partner's part and he's, Like i'm out of.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Here i'm not dealing with you, Anymore, marty see you.
LATER i Want.
Speaker 6 (25:11):
Kyle walker to run For congress if this redraw goes,
through because he's in that, district The southern.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
District but but But Greg walker gets up there and
doing the river of tears, right and it's.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Like it's kind of that's kind of over the.
Speaker 6 (25:26):
Top Greg walker is a very good friend of, mine
and he puts his heart and soul into, it and
a lot of these, legislators a lot of these senators
have put their heart and soul into.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
It cry do you ever? Cry and you're dodging the. Question, No,
NO i have never.
Speaker 6 (25:40):
Cried had been through a couple of crisis And i've never.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
Cried, okay you.
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Know there's a lot of fear, here but you know
fear with riff of the fear that your society and everything's. Changing.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Now, LOOK i get this, though But i'm Not i'm
not shedding any tears for somebody who makes seventy grand
or more a year to work for three months Like i'm,
Sorry i'm Not and this is WHAT i always found,
casey because nobody ever BET i would get the anonymous
stuff to my, house you, know but nobody would ever bother.
Me and one of times when my colleagues asked, me
they call me, NonStop why don't they ever call? You
(26:15):
AND i, said it's pretty. Simple they know it ain't gonna. Work,
yeah but they badger people who they think they can.
Speaker 6 (26:21):
Bully let's talk about this for a second. Though, yeah
when you had the property text issue last, spring you
saw a lot of fear in the eyes of people
and and senior. Citizens i've got ninety two year old
parents and they can't pay their property.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Text that is.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Fear and, yeahs fear from the.
Speaker 9 (26:37):
People these, LAWMAKERS i recognize that screwing, Everybody but that's
why they came to the State house to put their record,
there and and and and in these, legislature the legislators
are fearful for their political.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Lives, okay in the poor, Babies.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Okay in the mold of college the college Football playoff selection,
committee we basically had five weeks of you, saying, uh
it will be voted down your final. Take are you gonna?
Flip are you gonna Put miami in a Kick notre dame?
Ount are you staying?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Consistent Jim, MARRETT i think everybody would Know i'm staying.
CONSISTENT i think it'll be a close. VOTE i THINK
i said On State How It happenings that it would
be fitting with this whole process that if it's twenty
five to twenty five And Lieutenant governor breaks.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It screwing all the.
Speaker 4 (27:23):
Farmers, YEAH i.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
Think that would be a fitting for, this this this
situation that has never happened.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Again.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Hope oh he Would micah Beck with would take great
joy in screwing.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Farmers, well he's going to be the.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
Hero, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay so but you think it's a, no, RIGHT.
Speaker 6 (27:39):
I think it's gonna be, Close BUT i think it's a.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
No, okay very.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Good Jim merritt find Him merritt in The morning is
the name of the, Podcast Jim Underline merrit On.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Twitter It's Kennelly casey on ninety THREE wybc.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
Camp doing a lot of.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Smooch my butt cheeks theme today because this is our
final show in the old.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Building, yeah forty Monument.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Circle, yes he's being thematic with a goodbye. Song, yes
as we say goodbye to Forty Monument.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
Circle, Supertramp Goodbye, Stranger, Supertramp Goodbye stranger in ninety THREE.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Wibc It's Kenny Casey, show good.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Morning you know who else we're saying goodbye to Pop.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
Osiley, correct he's stepping down as The Indianapolis City County
council president next.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Month, YEAH i mean we should clarify he has not
like passed away or anything like. That he's still, living.
Breathing in, fact he's trying to.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Maybe saying goodbye to his. Presidents, yeah he's.
Speaker 4 (28:34):
Trying to inbold.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Himself so Vop ossiley is part of the you, know
the axis of, evil the triangle of, terror whatever you
want to call, it is to run this city into the.
Ground as The Indianapolis City County council. President you may
remember him most recently from things such as sicking the
cops on those women who are trying to speak at
the council meaning about what a rotten underhanded Sob Thomas Carl,
(28:55):
cook the mayor's right hand, man was And Joe hoggs
that was for cover. Up is such a strong word
but covering it, up and that was probably the most
recent time he made big.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Headlines but he.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Is stepping down as The Indianapolis City County council, president
and many people believe that is because he is going
to run for the mayor Of indianapolis in twenty twenty,
seven and he knows being the head of anything In
indianapolis would be a giant stain on his resume come
twenty twenty.
Speaker 3 (29:21):
Seven he's going to stay on the council and continue
Representing district. Twelve even though he's stepping down as president
and he's long been considered a likely future mayoral. Candidate
he's going to have some, competition right because other people
are saying some of his rivals might Be Ryan Meers Andrea,
hunley who's the state. Senator many people would love For
(29:41):
Andrew ireland to run for mayor Of.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Indianapolis, casey there, no there's no chance Of republicans is
going to win anything In. Indianapolis And Andrew, ireland as
ridiculous as he's proven himself to be as way too
smart to do. That but you are correct in the
on The democrats And Andrey carson in their correct in
there as, well, SO i, mean whoever Replaces now some
(30:06):
people Think hogseet is not just going to give it
up because he's incapable of probably getting a real job of.
Inequality who would Hire Joe. Hogseet, well it's one of.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
The REASONS i Believe ostley didn't run in twenty three
because Hog set ran.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
Again, well, right BUT i mean we have long moved
past that now with all the, scandals AND i, mean,
look you can disappear during the riots and that's. Fine
you can let the city burn and that's, fine but
the media is not going to stand for the tales
those women were telling in regards To Thomas Carl cook's
behavior as a government employee In boss Hog set's job
(30:44):
and covering it. Up, now, look whoever it, is it's
not going to get any. Better there's just no. Way
whether It's ostley or Hog set again Or hunley Or.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
CARSON i, mean are any of these people where you?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Go i'm interested in. That more of that.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
Now what we need to have, happen And i'm hoping
it does IS i have long SAID i think our
Old palindi reporter needs to run for mayor Of. Indianapolis,
well whether that says an r Or. All he wouldn't
have much chance of, winning but boy would that be wildly.
Entertaining Stephen whitmer needs to run for mayor Of indianapolis
and that would at least give us a reason to
pay attention to the whole. Thing but in terms of, results,
(31:20):
no we're this city is. TOAST i mean you walk
around down, here it's like some dystopian you, Know orwellian type.
Existence when you walk around, downtown nobody's, out nobody wants
to be. Here the whole city's under construction twenty four
hours a, day seven days a.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Week huge hole On washington's like the whole.
Speaker 4 (31:40):
Way have you posted a video Yet i'm your drive to? Work,
NO i have.
Speaker 2 (31:43):
It i'll do that here in just a few.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Minutes what did you TikTok Or instagram or? Whatever you
videoed your drive into? Work and you live very close
to the radio. Station but just what a colossal dumpster?
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Fire ran change is required through all the construction as. Something,
YEAH i.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Mean it's just it's it's horrific and there's nothing that
any of these people who we have just named who
are going to Be It's Ryan meres in there as,
WELL i don't think we put his or did we
put his name out?
Speaker 4 (32:10):
THERE i don't.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Know, anyway it doesn't it doesn't matter who it. Is
nobody's got the fortitude or the quite, frankly the creativity
to bring this city. Back and so it just it
is what it. Is it's just a giant pile of.
Suck it's going to remain a pile of. Suck and
if you, wish if you live, HERE i wish you the.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Best so hog.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
Set his account ended in twenty twenty four with still
over seven hundred and twenty thousand dollars in, it raising
some speculation is he going to consider a fourth. TERM i,
mean you got to have some money to run for this.
Job look At Jefferson shreeve, well and a lot of.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
It depends upon the.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Maps If carson is indeed and this is What i've, said,
look that is the last guy you should want to
run in the city Of. Indianapolis but if the maps
are not, CHANGED i think he'll stay in The, congress
in his safe seat and continued to just produce zero
in the in The in The, congress at least you
can't harm anybody right now in The congress because he's
in the. Minority if you were the mayor Of, indianapolis
(33:08):
he could do a men's harm to the people of this.
City BUT i think, realistically let's say the maps don't.
Pass you've Got, Merrors you've got hog set, Again you've Got.
Astley those are probably your three top. Contenders Andrea, huntley
who's a state, senator also mulling a.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Run AND i just, like how did it get this?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
BAD i, mean that's the, question, Right how did a
city that has so much going for, it that has
so much to, offer that brings so much in in
terms of this you, know the sporting events and the live,
events the Convention, center About Da Da da, Da how
how did.
Speaker 4 (33:42):
They screw it? Up no, answer you live.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
Here, well what you see on YOUR tv during sporting
events and what is real are two different.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Things.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
What, Yeah ostley didn't confirm a mayoral, run but he
did say that this move will mark a new check
in his.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Service, okay so when we come, Back Jacob, stewart indie
star pal friend of the, show has an article on
why he thinks redistricting is going.
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Down i'm in.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
The story, casey of course you. Are It's kendall And.
Casey it's ninety THREE wybc
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