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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, that was an eventful day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You were busy, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Yesterday was why I don't do anything nice for anybody?
Say more words, Well, because I just this is always
what happens. I try to help people out and then
I end up just ruining my whole day. And I've
already made the commitment. And you know me, if I
commit to do it, there's no more loyal person than me.
If I commit to doing something for you, I will
do it. And so yesterday I went over to the
Indiana State House and I hang out with all the
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freaks and lunatics and so against the districting bill. Now, you, Casey,
we're the real hero at all of this, because look,
I wouldn't have put So I was asked by the
people who are against redistricting. They said, look, we need
a little bo star power. We need somebody kind of
bring some attention to this. We need They didn't say
it like this, but they're like, we need some people
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who know how to articulate the message in a fashion
that might resonate with the people and you know, making
the call in the shots right. And this is of course,
in front of the Senate Election Committee. They heard the
redistricting bill yesterday. We'll get to the outcome, which, by
the way, how good a mine?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that was amazing. You and I were texting last
night about that, and you said, I think it's going
to come down six to three. Lo, and behold, that's
what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But not only did this, I think it was gonna
be six to three, I said, with very specifically who yeah,
and what they were going to say the three who
voted in favor, And I was exactly right, And we'll
get to that in a second. But they so they said, look,
will you go over there?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Will you?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Cause you got to speak in two minutes. You got
to look professionally all that. They're like, okay, fine, I'll
do it, and then like everything else in my like, oh,
it'll be quick. You'll be in fast, to be out fast.
It'll be fine. The things start an hour later than
I was told. Yeah, I was there for two hours,
so by the time I was all in, it was
three hours.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
To speak for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Like I was like, where where are you? When
are you talking? I'm watching this thing to hear what
you had to say. And it just kept dragging on
and on. I mean, they were quick though, with the
two minutes fast on the buzzer, they were not letting
anyone go over.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
One hundred and twenty seven people signed up to speak.
Now I did not. I was probably number fifty, so
I did not stay for the whole thing. By the way,
that's like the way it works is they you know,
they the person speaking, and then they announced the people
that are after, so you can get in line to
go in and speak. And I was told this, and
then I felt it in the room. Right, my name
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goes up on the board and they say your name.
And Gaskell, the guy who's running the meeting who once
came on our show, and just he was the guy
who came on our show. He went from Munsie, right,
he came on the show and told us how against
property taxes he was now crummy the system was and
now he was going to fight to make the system better.
And then he voted for that abomination of a bill
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on property. You remember him, So he's he's heading this
committee up and he is like a ghost had just
like walked right in front of him when he saw
the name and said it, And of course everybody else
perks up, and people were tweeting about it, and and
I go in there and it is like the boogeyman
had entered the room, right, And so look, it was
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overwhelmingly no the people who spoke.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The ninety nine people testified, eighty opposed, nineteen were in favor.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's pretty good that only twenty eight didn't didn't stay
around as long as that thing went on, because I
mean it was like five or six hours of people's speaking,
So that's pretty good. So what it was eighty eighty
to nineteen. Okay, so again overwhelmingly knows. Just like every
other event, people have been overwhelmingly against us. Now the
yes side got to memo. So here's what's fascinating the
Yes side because basically nobody showed up to speak in
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favor of the last time. So they convinced all the
what I call the usual suspects. It's people go to everything,
it's the same faces, it's never anybody knew. It's the
same six or seven niche people that are left that
still believe anything that comes out of the mouth of
Braun or Micah. They got those people to go speak,
and they got them there early enough on the sign
end because they usually go on how you sign in
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that they came up basically right out of the gate,
and so the early reports were like, oh my gosh,
there's so many more yes people here than the last time,
and then by the time it was all done, it
was the usual like overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The other thing that was interesting is all of those
people that appeared then went to a meeting with Braun
and Micah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
After did they had some water and coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Can you okay?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So can you imagine some of these people were, well,
they're driving down that's all they got at the residents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Not even snickers the governor's mansion, not even.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
A Snickers bar, okay. So A couple of things that
are fascinating about this to me. Number one the fact
that the sitting governor of the state of Indiana knows
his lieutenant governor is under grand jury investigation for multiple things,
Like it's irrefutable that's going on, and he is still
on the regular paling around with this guy, Like whatever
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comes out of that, if it's anything, Braun can't do
the me so stupid me don't know routine because there
are multiple high profile events where he has been seen
arm in arm with Micah, the lieutenant governor whose office
is undergrand jury investigation right now, and Braun knows that
and he's still piling around with him.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That is fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But the other part of this is, can you imagine
if you're somebody from Fort Wayne, like I know some
of those people who are very mad at me. And
we'll get to that in a second two because one
of them said something to me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But like you, you were popular.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You have to drive all the way down from Fort Wayne.
You have to be there for at least a couple hours,
even if you're speaking early. Get in line all too,
blah blah blah the other stuff. And your big reward
for that is coffee and water with them, with the
governor who is despised by our state and in his
stege assistant who is on whose office is under grand
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jury investigation.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's your big reward for ruining your whole day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. Well, for some of those people, that is a
reward because they want to be elbow to elbow with power.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
One of these people told me afterwards. They came up
to me and said, I'm very disappointed in you. Yeah,
And I looked at her and I said, get in line.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's long.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You're going to be waiting a while and we'll talk
about some of that later. But anyway, so overwhelming people
against this. As you mentioned, I spoke Ethan Hatcher, who's
going to join us here in just a little bit.
Get his take on the day yesterday he spoke.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They said they wanted to wrap it up by six o'clock.
At seven point forty one, they were finally taking the vote.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, went a little bit long.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So so ultimately, so I tweeted this out. I said
this to Casey, uh hours before they had the vote.
I said, here's what's going to happen, Casey, and oh gosh,
darn it. It's nine to thirteen on what is today,
the ninth of December, and it's my least favorite part
of every show. We got to do it in the
opening segment, which is where I have to tell everybody
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how right I was. And did I not tell you?
I said, Casey, here's how this is going to go down.
The vote is going to be six to three in favor.
Three of them are going to say I'm voting solely
to move this forward for my fellow colleagues to be
able to vote on this. I am not committing to
committed to voting yes, and Casey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Exactly what happened? What's exactly what? Yeah, the only Republican
to vote against the bill was Greg Walker, and you
had a couple of them, Rogers and Donados say that
they may change their vote on the Senate floor. Good
said the bill needs more vetting.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Greg Good is the guy. This is what's disgusting about
all this. Greg Good is the guy from Tera HOAt
who had had a town hall and not a single
person showed up in support. Seventy people showed up to
speak against and he still is undecided. Dude, had it
been eighty to zero, would that have suaded you? This
is what pisses me off about all of this. You
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guys could have killed this yesterday. Rogers was Rogers and
Donado are the two who voted not to come back back.
I think the other two who voted to move it
forward but to hear from their constituents. I think that's
how it went down. You voted not to come back
just a couple of weeks ago. Kill it and be
done with it. But they don't want to smoke. That's
why they did this. They don't want to be the
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ones to have killed it. They didn't want the smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So Senator Greg Walker he voted against it, and he
got very emotional at the end when they're taking the vote,
this is my favorite thing. They all want to comment
on the way they're voting. Sure, yes, here's how I'm
going to vote. But let me tell you why first.
And here's what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Permission to explain my vote very briefly. One of those
who testify today asked me to I'll read it again.
I think this is a direct quote to shed my
sense of fairness. Is that the kind of advice you
would give your children, or your grandchildren, or your nieces
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and nephews.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh Jesus crying.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I will not shed my sense of fairness.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I vote.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's crying.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He was very emotional. He said the bill leaves no
room for wiggle and could be challenged in court.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But he was crying over a redistricting bill. No tears
for when people get screwed on property taxes. No tiers
when these utility bills rise every single year and are
pricing people out of being able to heat and cool
their homes. No tiers for the hundreds of millions in
corruption with the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Money taken from
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poor and middle class people, given to the uber connected
and squandered.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
No tiars on that. But when these.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Guys get affected by something.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Get out of here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Everybody was gross in all of this.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Casey, you're listening to Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So you're telling me there's a theft problem in America.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, more shoppers admit to stealing from the self checkout.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Twenty seven percent of shoppers admit they've intentionally stolen an
item at self checkout. That that is a twelve percent
increase from the same exact survey that was done two
years ago. Oh wow, what do you think there's stealing?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, how much is right?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, how much is really
available in the self checkout? I mean you got what
candy bars? Right or gum?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, it's items that in their shopping cars.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
They're saying, they're gonna say they peel for somebody out
of the self checkout. They're you're saying, they're saying not scanning.
You didn't scan something. Now I am hyper paranoid about this,
like because I it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is because the big camera right in front of it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Honest, like anybody could actually when you're doing all this
stuff yourself and you're moving to da da da. I'm
sure it totally accidentally happens all the time, or somebody's
trying to, you know, put things in or I think
I scanned something or didn't register. Like there's no malicious
intent whatsoever. But I'm always hyper paranoid, like I check
every item because that's the last thing I need. Like
I didn't scan something properly. Rob Kendall goes down to
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detain from stealing something from the Walmart. So I'm always
just very very paranoid. But so but there these people
are saying they they purposely didn't scan something right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And then walk out the door, oh wow, yeah, with
it in their cart, or they'll just put it in
a bag without scanning it. And the surprising part about
this is it's not big ticket items. It's not like electronics.
It is essential items like food, water, and basic household
or health products.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
There was an article this was a while ago, I'm
trying to remember where it was, but that stores were
pondering getting rid of the self checkouts again because of
the theft issue, and what they were losing in terms
of product and merchandise was offsetting or even more than
what they would have had to pay someone to run
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these these registers. And now there's some stores and I
don't know if it's gotten any traction or not, but
some of these major stores are pondering going back to
the you stand in line and scan everything out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah. Some of the stores are responding by restricting or
reducing these self checkout or the number of items. For example,
Target now has a ten item limit dollar General and
five below. They put in fewer self checkout lanes. Walmart
has removed some of the machines. Sam's Club now is
pushing their scan and go app instead of doing it
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at the register. And the stores are increasing their video monitoring,
their staffing in some cases, and also AI systems now
to detect suspicious behavior.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
This is a big deal because it's costing you money
every ounce of theft. The store doesn't eat it, they
pass it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They're going to pass it on to you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They pass it on to you.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So the more prevalent just becomes the more shrinkage, thank you.
The more prevalent this becomes the more you're going to
pay for stuff every time you go through the through
the to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So you have to wonder why are people stealing? Is
it just they're a holes to get their kicks. No.
Forty seven percent say that essentials are too expensive.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, okay, before you read the rest of this list,
let's just stop there. I guarantee you ninety five percent
of those people have an iPhone or equivalent, right, So
don't give me some sad story about how you can't
afford food when a lot of these people, I guarantee
have streaming services.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
All the stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
They're nails done exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I don't buy that
for a second. I mean, I get that they may
give that as an excuse, but I don't buy that
that's the reality on the ground for a second.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So, forty six percent say that price increases are due
to tariffs. Thirty nine percent feel that prices are unfair
and too high. So there's a portion of people who
just want to stick it to the corporation.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But it's not the corporation causing the inflation. This is
what Look, I'm not on the side of corporation because
you know, I think they're trying to make as much
money as they possibly can at the expense of you,
And I think they're trying to get as much out
of their employees as they can at the expense of
the employee. But the price has been directly caused by
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actions of our government, whether it's the magical money printing factory,
whether it's shutting down supply chains, whether it's now these tariffs.
Like the corporations. Walmart didn't just wake up one day
and if it were some big act Target or Meyer
or whoever, would immediately undercut them and take all their business.
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Everybody's prices are rising because of all the stuff the
government has done, both Democrats and Republicans, and yet for
some reason people just refuse to vote better. But they
always complain about their circumstance where they're at and blame
everybody but the people that they've put in charge to
make these policies.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So sixty nine percent believe that self checkout makes it
easier to steal, and it does break down across gender.
Men are twice as likely to steal as women. Really, Yeah,
and of the people who say.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You did this study, who put this together, it always
fascinates me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Who the who? The actual study is.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Lending Tree.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And of the people who have stolen in the past,
sixty one percent say they do it again.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Have you ever gotten out of the store with something
that you didn't pay for accidentally?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Because I guarantee it's not that I'm aware of, because
I'm pretty good at checking that, not only checking to
make sure that everything is scanned, but when I do
this self check out and put everything in the bags,
I always spin the wheel again to make sure that
I have picked up the bags. Yeah, you know, with
the items that I've put in because very much like you,
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I would that would be the stupidest thing to go
down for.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And I wonder maybe somebody who is in this industry
because we have.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Co or somebody who's done it, well, yeah, or somebody
who's done let us know if you've shoplifted.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You don't need not give your name when you're if
you do that is there's some There has to be.
There's no way that if you paid for one hundred
and fifty dollars in groceries and you had some two
dollars and fifty cent jug of milk that you just
didn't scan. There's no way they called the cops on
you for that. So my question is, if you've been
a Victim's not the right word, but if you've had
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this happen to you, do they.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What is the process like, let you go back in
and oops, oh let me just pay it?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, there's no It has to be relative to what
you're actually doing, right, I mean, there's no way you
would be an insane person to spend all this money
in groceries and then risk it on, you know, one
little thing.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
There has to.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Be some some formula that they use to decide whether
they're going to go, hey, man, you I think you
forgot to pay for that versus going nine to one one.
You know, we've got a serial thief on our hands.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, according to the study, the people had that have stolen,
forty six percent have been caught and there are some
sociopaths doing it because thirty one percent say they don't
feel remorse.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well, you'll love this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
When I worked at the State Auditor's office, so this
was years ago, one of the guys I worked with
had a part time job at I think it was Target,
but I don't know that for sure. I can't remember
his target or his kmart. But he had a job.
His weekend job was he worked in lost Prevention and
he would come in on Monday, you know, he'd work
there Saturday and Sunday and he was the eye and
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the sky guy, right and he was this guy.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Was perfect for this.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He was totally cerebral about everything, very sharp, and he
would tell me these stories of what was stolen and
how they would catch people red hated. And then his
favorite part was he was not the guy that approached
them then. I think they had like an officer on
duty who then when they would do, okay, that person whatever.
And the excuses then because they take you back to
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some sort of not holding cell or whatever, but some
way that they, you know, try to.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Get you to fess up.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And the excuses that these people would give when they've
got him right on camera, he said, they were just,
I mean, the worst, but it was hilarious the stuff
they would try to come up with to explain stealing
the st up.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circle was
over at the State House yesterday. He gave some testimony
in the redistricting hearing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Oh yes, we stood next to each other the entire time,
and I thought it'd be fun because he gave a
very fabulous speech, far spirit of the one that I gave.
And I thought it'd be fun to have Ethan come
in give his perspective on, well, the freak show that
we saw yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We'll just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
He'll join us next On ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I walked up the steps and I stood on.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
A woman I didn't recognize.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Came a spool.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay, Yeah, we started our show today.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It was a wild day yesterday at the Indiana State House,
and I wasn't alone in my misery.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, one hundred and twenty seven people signed up to
give public testimony. You were one of them. You know
who else was one of them?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Our old pal, you know, from Saturday Night on the Circle,
Saturday night, seven o'clock here at WIBC, Ethan Hatcher.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He joins us. Now, Ethan Hatcher, Hello, thanks for having
me in the studio. Guys.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, so you made the misery of yesterday a little
less miserable. You and I palled around for a couple
of hours as we waited to speak. I thought you
did a fantabulous job.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I appreciate that, Rob, but you know, you picked the
absolute worst spot for us to stand in the crowd
because we were right in the path of where people
were trying to squeeze through. I had folks bumping against
me every couple of minutes. We were all packed in
there like sardines. And I'll tell you what, those Democrats
stay That room smelled awful. The body odor was wafting
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so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Okay, so I know we laid out a little bit
about what happened, but you're standing earlier, but you're standing
in this hallway out front the State House, the Senate
chambers in the state House.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, they've got.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
These speakers, but they're like little baby speakers, so you
can't hear anything. And they're supposed to be putting people's
names up on the screen because you can watch the thing,
but they're like two people behind. So you got to
keep asking the guy who's like the gatekeeper, and then
he's getting annoyed everybody for asking. It was a complete
dumpster fire, and so were many of the people and
either at numerous times looked at each other and go, go,
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I hate that we're on the same side of these people.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, because they're nuts.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, at one point I looked at you and I,
you know, kind of mock tore up my speech. I'm like,
you know what, I've changed my mind. I'm not supporting
you people.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Screw it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And that was enough to do it while we were
questioning you know what would make someone change their mind, Ethan,
You did a good job when you were speaking in
front of the committee. You were, as far as I
can tell, the only person who got a compliment.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah. I think they were a little bit surprised.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I was able to squeeze all that in, but I
was using my broadcasting training to great effect. I almost
did it, Rob, I almost got all the way through.
I gave ninety nine point five percent of a speech,
but they cut me off halfway through the very very
last thing.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You nearly hit the post.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah almost.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I cut a paragraph out of mind because I said,
I ain't given Gaskell the thrill of buzzing me or
cutting me off that little backstabb Remember he was on
our show screaming about how bad property taxes were, and
then he voted for that abomination of a property tax.
Was said, Ah, hey, giving him the thrill, buzzing me
or cutting me off. I ended with two seconds to go.
All right, So obviously the three undecided's, as we predicted,
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voted to move it forward.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Am I good? Or am I good?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You're good?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I told you exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I said those three are going to vote for it.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But say they're not voting for it, Well, you know
why they did it, rob because they're not going down
with this shit. They're gonna get other people on the
record too. They're not gonna take all the.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Flak for that.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They didn't want the smoke the three deciders. Okay, so
let's talk just briefly about the approach that was taken
yesterday for the people who weren't able to be there.
I think these lefty people have no idea what they're doing,
and the idea that you're going to be booing other
people while they're speaking, the idea that somebody has a
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different opinion than you and you're just gonna be a
complete asked them you and I tried to tell a
couple of people with it, and they just weren't having
any of it. That works against you. These sentersre gonna
do what they're gonna do, and you kind of get
the sympathy on your side right now, and then you
sort of maybe veer people in another direction because you
can't help yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, you got to read the room.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
You got to play to your audience, and they're already
you know, they've got the popular side on this issue,
because anytime it's been pulled, Hoosiers are broadly against it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Just let people speak. Everybody is allowed to speak.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Everybody is getting their two minutes to make their stance
known on this issue. All you gotta do is let
them get through it. I mean, for a lot of
these folks, I think it's a profession. It's arts and
crafts time.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
They brought out their little their little art projects and
their little scrawls and their permanent marker, and that's what
it was all about. It's about me, me, me, not
about what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's something that I noticed as I watched all of
that testimony.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Casey is the real hero and all of this, because look,
I would sat through three seconds to watching that if
we hadn't been there, and she sat through the whole
until the vote.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I know, which happened at seven forty one last night.
But I noticed quite a few things with the people
that are against the redistricting came from a lot of NGOs, nonprofits,
and quite a few had trumped arrangement syndrome. Is that
way you were picking up when you were in the
vestibule waiting area.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh, I think that is a fair assessment. Casey.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Anytime, it was real easy to read which of the
speakers were pro redistricting and which were Again, I could tell.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And this stuffed up to the to the podium as well.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Well, mostly because of the response from the crowd. Like I,
you know, I'm as blind as a bat rob. He
has good eagle eyed vision, but I can't even read
the close captioning on.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
The big screen.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
But I didn't need to because the crowd would inform
me based.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
On their booze and jeers.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now you had mentioned I don't like being on the
same side of an issue with the people because you
had this experience yesterday. Does that sway you at all?
Does that make you go, oh, you know what, maybe
it should be nine to zero?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I was I was just joking because I think the
important thing is to stand for the principle of our
principles of our countries founding and if you don't have standards,
then what do you have.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Ethan Hatcher, Saturday n on the Circle is our guest.
He braved the elements yesterday spent several hours with me
at the State House. My favorite part of the whole
day yesterday, Casey was Ethan and I. Though we were
signed up at the same time, somehow ended up like
twenty people apart. And Ethan speaks and he's like, have
a good day, see you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And I was loved to be there by my lonesome
around these people.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I want to well, I told you, hey, they stay.
I wanted to get away from the body owner b
I had to go to the grocery store before I
had a showing in the evening because I had work
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I'm a working man, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
If you had to predict, because I genuinely have no
idea how that's going to go up or down on redistricting,
what do you think if I had to call it,
I'm gonna say down real because the Senate had already
came out against this, and if they continue to support it,
then they're essentially validating the scare tactics of all these
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swatters of the violent mob, and I just don't think
we can have that in.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
A civil society. Now, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Maybe these senators are all cowards and they're just gonna
bend the knee because they don't want to take the
flag for going on public record. Maybe that's the secret
sauce here that's going to sway the vote. But I
think it will squeak by with a no.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's my guess, Casey. You'll love this. So I obviously
know many many people in the state House. They don't
maybe proudly know me, but in quiet corners I was
able to talk to several of them yesterday. There was
a very known lobbyist yesterday who I was talking to.
I said, so, like, how's it going. He goes horrible.
He said, nobody's paying any attention to anything until this
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thing gets decided. And that's money for those guys. So
they're honked off because nobody's paying attention to things that
they need to move forward for their clients to get paid.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh am, I supposed to feel bad for the lobbyists.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Now, the other thing you'll love, Miss Violin.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, the other thing somebody told me yesterday is they
said one of the things these old timers are doing.
These people have been there since the earth was young.
They figured out these committee heads or whatever, that nobody's
paying attention. They're trying to slip all these bills through
now in these other committees because there was a whole
bunch of business going on yesterday and nobody was paying
attention to any of.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It because everything was focused on redistricting.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now, getting something out of committee doesn't mean it's going
to get approved, doesn't mean it's gonna if it passed
the Senate, pass the House. But these wily old veterans
are like, well, nobody's paying any attention. Nobody to come, bitch,
let's put this bill for it. I've wanted for twenty years.
Weren't we kind of joking about that?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I wonder who's showing up outside of Room one point
thirty for the Agriculture Committee.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, if they got as big of a crowd,
doubt it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm curious, did you notice any difference with the presence
of the national media being there.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
No, No, you could barely tell who was credential media.
Most of the credentialed media was inside the chambers, so
it didn't really register to me who was active media
until after I had gotten done speaking at the podium,
and then a few of them approached me for comment
or how do you spell your name? Stuff like that,
and then then it's like, ah, media.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Did you feel that Gasca was talking directly to the
two of you when he was laying out the rules
of cheering?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, we were.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We are our buddy Joe.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
My buddy Joe was there too and a big fan
of our show and was at the property tax rally.
We were by far the best behaved people. We were
the ones because we know how to operate in decent society.
So news flash, if you're on the left and you
hear this, look But by the way, my favorite thing
was when I got in there was rucus applause and
I walked out the laugh and going you people would
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hate everything I stand for.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, exactly, I agree on this one, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But the lefty people, you got to get your act together,
like you cannot be behaving like lunatics. That is not
going to sway these people one way or another. You're
gonna be far more effective just being calm and rational
and saying your piece and then going home.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, listen to Rob speech. I mean he was uncharacteristically
well behaved. That's why I was very impressed. Now, what
do you have to do? Do you pop a zany take
a couple of melatonin?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, god, I know we got to go here. But
Casey were talking about this earlier to start the show.
I had two ways I could go was the fork
and the proverbial fork in the road. I could have
just spent two minutes roasting those people, which in hindsight
I kind of wish i'd done now, But next time,
I talked to some people that are in the know,
and they said it would be far more effective for
you to use logic and kindness and really wow them
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that you because some people think I am just a
raving lunatic twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,
and I think I totally confused everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The one thing that impressed me both about the two
of you, Ethan you stuck to kind of a historical
perspective with the founding fathers, and Rob you stuck to
the policy that wasn't the case with everybody who testified.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Ethan Atcher Saturday Nights w IBC, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You, You're listening to Kennilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't know what planet Dave Ramsey's living on, but
it is not Earth.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
He was on Fox News and he was saying that
Donald Trump's economy is lifting the middle class again, and
he went on to say that there is not an
affordability crisis.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Greats are down and gas prices are down below three
dollars in most places. The economy seems to be. The
people we're talking to are really not having huge, serious
affordability problems. There's a lot of talking heads, a lot
of squawking about that, but most of that's political.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Okay, I guess I'm a talking head, but I also
shop at the grocery store. I live a pretty middle
class existence boat. My wife and I both make decent money,
but by no means rich. I live in a sixteen
hundred square foot ranch house on a third of an acre.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I drive a car that has no power, locks or windows.
I live a pretty, you know, live low life, right
in terms of I'm comfortable. I have a television, heat,
air conditioning, a house, and can provide for my family.
But I'm not living the high life, and I will
tell you it is a swift kick in the junk
anytime you try to buy anything. And he sounds just
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totally out of step with reality.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, you have to keep in mind that Dave Ramsey
completely owns his broadcast company and in twenty eighteen his
net worth was fifty five million dollars, so you are
living a different existence.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And I mean, God bless him.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
He's made his money, honestly, and good for him, and
by all accounts, he's helped a lot of people, which
is great. But I'm sorry the middle class who And
by the way, the gas price stuff is what gets me.
Gas prices are down not because if anything Trump's done,
it's because the economy is restricting.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
The economy is war is worse off.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
There's not a demand for oil for gasoline like there
has been, and thus if there's not a demand for something,
we know, the price goes down, right, which great.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You and I have jobs right now. We work in radio.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Who knows tomorrow, but we have jobs, so that benefits us, right.
It's cheaper for us to get to and from work. However,
other people it's horrible because they don't have jobs to
be able to afford to buy the gas to go
to work, like it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Just food, rent.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All of this stuff is more expensive, and wages are
not rising in accordance with the price of everything.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
CBS News just came out with an article just moments
ago and they said that more than seventy five percent
of homes across the country are unaffordable. But Dave Ramsey
said that America's finally breathing again under real leadership. It's
only going to get better from here. One of the
pieces of advice that he says he can always tell
when a family is going to stay middle class is
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when they have two expensive cars sitting in front of
a middle class home, often with big monthly payments. He said,
more cars equals more bills. You consider insurance prepares, gas depreciation,
and ideally what you want to have is no more
than fifty percent of your income tied up in depreciating
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assets like cars.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And look, I agree with all that, but the reality
is you got to have give people something to look
forward to right now. If you got two Mercedes out there,
and you know your combined household income is one hundred
thousand dollars, then maybe yeah, you're going to be going
to be pressing it but I mean, come on, I mean,
what are we talking about nice cars?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I mean what a lot of people have SUVs or whatever.
You spend a ton of time in your car. It's
like making your house dice. It's where you live, right.
I just like, we shouldn't have to be making these
choices in this country. We should have to be choosing
between you know, do this or do that. That's just
not the way it's supposed to work. I had a
fascinating conversation at the property or the property tax the
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distorting rally yesterday. Some woman told me she was very
disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh yeah, you want to tell me more?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Would you like to tell me? Would you like me
to tell you? Responsored to become back.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes, It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC
Well, that was an eventful day yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
You were busy, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:04):
Yesterday was why I don't do anything nice for anybody?
Say more words, Well, because I just this is always
what happens. I try to help people out and then
I end up just ruining my whole day. And I've
already made the commitment. And you know me, if I
commit to do it, there's no more loyal person than me.
If I commit to doing something for you, I will
do it. And so yesterday I went over to the
Indiana State House and I hang out with all the
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freaks and lunatics and so against the districting bill. Now, you, Casey,
we're the real hero at all of this, because look,
I wouldn't have put So I was asked by the
people who are against redistricting. They said, look, we need
a little bo star power. We need somebody kind of
bring some attention to this. We need They didn't say
it like this, but they're like, we need some people
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who know how to articulate the message in a fashion
that might resonate with the people and you know, making
the call in the shots right. And this is of course,
in front of the Senate Election Committee. They heard the
redistricting bill yesterday. We'll get to the outcome, which, by
the way, how good a mine?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah, that was amazing. You and I were texting last
night about that, and you said, I think it's going
to come down six to three. Lo, and behold, that's
what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
But not only did this, I think it was gonna
be six to three, I said, with very specifically who yeah,
and what they were going to say the three who
voted in favor, And I was exactly right, And we'll
get to that in a second. But they so they said, look,
will you go over there?
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Will you?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Cause you got to speak in two minutes. You got
to look professionally all that. They're like, okay, fine, I'll
do it, and then like everything else in my like, oh,
it'll be quick. You'll be in fast, to be out fast.
It'll be fine. The things start an hour later than
I was told. Yeah, I was there for two hours,
so by the time I was all in, it was
three hours.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
To speak for two minutes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Yeah, Like I was like, where where are you? When
are you talking? I'm watching this thing to hear what
you had to say. And it just kept dragging on
and on. I mean, they were quick though, with the
two minutes fast on the buzzer, they were not letting
anyone go over.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
One hundred and twenty seven people signed up to speak.
Now I did not. I was probably number fifty, so
I did not stay for the whole thing. By the way,
that's like the way it works is they you know,
they the person speaking, and then they announced the people
that are after, so you can get in line to
go in and speak. And I was told this, and
then I felt it in the room. Right, my name
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goes up on the board and they say your name.
And Gaskell, the guy who's running the meeting who once
came on our show, and just he was the guy
who came on our show. He went from Munsie, right,
he came on the show and told us how against
property taxes he was now crummy the system was and
now he was going to fight to make the system better.
And then he voted for that abomination of a bill
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on property. You remember him, So he's he's heading this
committee up and he is like a ghost had just
like walked right in front of him when he saw
the name and said it, And of course everybody else
perks up, and people were tweeting about it, and and
I go in there and it is like the boogeyman
had entered the room, right, And so look, it was
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overwhelmingly no the people who spoke.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
The ninety nine people testified, eighty opposed, nineteen were in favor.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It's pretty good that only twenty eight didn't didn't stay
around as long as that thing went on, because I
mean it was like five or six hours of people's speaking,
So that's pretty good. So what it was eighty eighty
to nineteen. Okay, so again overwhelmingly knows. Just like every
other event, people have been overwhelmingly against us. Now the
yes side got to memo. So here's what's fascinating the
Yes side because basically nobody showed up to speak in
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favor of the last time. So they convinced all the
what I call the usual suspects. It's people go to everything,
it's the same faces, it's never anybody knew. It's the
same six or seven niche people that are left that
still believe anything that comes out of the mouth of
Braun or Micah. They got those people to go speak,
and they got them there early enough on the sign
end because they usually go on how you sign in
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that they came up basically right out of the gate,
and so the early reports were like, oh my gosh,
there's so many more yes people here than the last time,
and then by the time it was all done, it
was the usual like overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
No.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
The other thing that was interesting is all of those
people that appeared then went to a meeting with Braun
and Micah.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
After did they had some water and coffee?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Can you okay?
Speaker 3 (04:13):
So can you imagine some of these people were, well,
they're driving down that's all they got at the residents.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Not even snickers the governor's mansion, not even.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
A Snickers bar, okay. So A couple of things that
are fascinating about this to me. Number one the fact
that the sitting governor of the state of Indiana knows
his lieutenant governor is under grand jury investigation for multiple things,
Like it's irrefutable that's going on, and he is still
on the regular paling around with this guy, Like whatever
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comes out of that, if it's anything, Braun can't do
the me so stupid me don't know routine because there
are multiple high profile events where he has been seen
arm in arm with Micah, the lieutenant governor whose office
is undergrand jury investigation right now, and Braun knows that
and he's still piling around with him.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
That is fascinating to me.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
But the other part of this is, can you imagine
if you're somebody from Fort Wayne, like I know some
of those people who are very mad at me. And
we'll get to that in a second two because one
of them said something to me yesterday.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
But like you, you were popular.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
You have to drive all the way down from Fort Wayne.
You have to be there for at least a couple hours,
even if you're speaking early. Get in line all too,
blah blah blah the other stuff. And your big reward
for that is coffee and water with them, with the
governor who is despised by our state and in his
stege assistant who is on whose office is under grand
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jury investigation.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
That's your big reward for ruining your whole day.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yeah. Well, for some of those people, that is a
reward because they want to be elbow to elbow with power.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
One of these people told me afterwards. They came up
to me and said, I'm very disappointed in you. Yeah,
And I looked at her and I said, get in line.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's long.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You're going to be waiting a while and we'll talk
about some of that later. But anyway, so overwhelming people
against this. As you mentioned, I spoke Ethan Hatcher, who's
going to join us here in just a little bit.
Get his take on the day yesterday he spoke.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
They said they wanted to wrap it up by six o'clock.
At seven point forty one, they were finally taking the vote.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Yeah, went a little bit long.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
So so ultimately, so I tweeted this out. I said
this to Casey, uh hours before they had the vote.
I said, here's what's going to happen, Casey, and oh gosh,
darn it. It's nine to thirteen on what is today,
the ninth of December, and it's my least favorite part
of every show. We got to do it in the
opening segment, which is where I have to tell everybody
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how right I was. And did I not tell you?
I said, Casey, here's how this is going to go down.
The vote is going to be six to three in favor.
Three of them are going to say I'm voting solely
to move this forward for my fellow colleagues to be
able to vote on this. I am not committing to
committed to voting yes, and Casey.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Exactly what happened? What's exactly what? Yeah, the only Republican
to vote against the bill was Greg Walker, and you
had a couple of them, Rogers and Donados say that
they may change their vote on the Senate floor. Good
said the bill needs more vetting.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Greg Good is the guy. This is what's disgusting about
all this. Greg Good is the guy from Tera HOAt
who had had a town hall and not a single
person showed up in support. Seventy people showed up to
speak against and he still is undecided. Dude, had it
been eighty to zero, would that have suaded you? This
is what pisses me off about all of this. You
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guys could have killed this yesterday. Rogers was Rogers and
Donado are the two who voted not to come back back.
I think the other two who voted to move it
forward but to hear from their constituents. I think that's
how it went down. You voted not to come back
just a couple of weeks ago. Kill it and be
done with it. But they don't want to smoke. That's
why they did this. They don't want to be the
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ones to have killed it. They didn't want the smoke.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
So Senator Greg Walker he voted against it, and he
got very emotional at the end when they're taking the vote,
this is my favorite thing. They all want to comment
on the way they're voting. Sure, yes, here's how I'm
going to vote. But let me tell you why first.
And here's what he had to say.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
Permission to explain my vote very briefly. One of those
who testify today asked me to I'll read it again.
I think this is a direct quote to shed my
sense of fairness. Is that the kind of advice you
would give your children, or your grandchildren, or your nieces
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and nephews.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh Jesus crying.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
I will not shed my sense of fairness.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
I vote.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He's crying.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
He was very emotional. He said the bill leaves no
room for wiggle and could be challenged in court.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But he was crying over a redistricting bill. No tears
for when people get screwed on property taxes. No tiers
when these utility bills rise every single year and are
pricing people out of being able to heat and cool
their homes. No tiers for the hundreds of millions in
corruption with the Indiana Economic Development Corporation. Money taken from
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poor and middle class people, given to the uber connected
and squandered.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
No tiars on that. But when these.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
Guys get affected by something.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Get out of here.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Everybody was gross in all of this.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Casey, you're listening to Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
So you're telling me there's a theft problem in America.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Well, more shoppers admit to stealing from the self checkout.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Twenty seven percent of shoppers admit they've intentionally stolen an
item at self checkout. That that is a twelve percent
increase from the same exact survey that was done two
years ago. Oh wow, what do you think there's stealing?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Well, how much is right?
Speaker 3 (10:01):
Well, that's what I'm saying, Like, how much is really
available in the self checkout? I mean you got what
candy bars? Right or gum?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Well, it's items that in their shopping cars.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
Oh, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
They're saying, they're gonna say they peel for somebody out
of the self checkout. They're you're saying, they're saying not scanning.
You didn't scan something. Now I am hyper paranoid about this,
like because I it.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Is because the big camera right in front of it.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Honest, like anybody could actually when you're doing all this
stuff yourself and you're moving to da da da. I'm
sure it totally accidentally happens all the time, or somebody's
trying to, you know, put things in or I think
I scanned something or didn't register. Like there's no malicious
intent whatsoever. But I'm always hyper paranoid, like I check
every item because that's the last thing I need. Like
I didn't scan something properly. Rob Kendall goes down to
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detain from stealing something from the Walmart. So I'm always
just very very paranoid. But so but there these people
are saying they they purposely didn't scan something right.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
And then walk out the door, oh wow, yeah, with
it in their cart, or they'll just put it in
a bag without scanning it. And the surprising part about
this is it's not big ticket items. It's not like electronics.
It is essential items like food, water, and basic household
or health products.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
There was an article this was a while ago, I'm
trying to remember where it was, but that stores were
pondering getting rid of the self checkouts again because of
the theft issue, and what they were losing in terms
of product and merchandise was offsetting or even more than
what they would have had to pay someone to run
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these these registers. And now there's some stores and I
don't know if it's gotten any traction or not, but
some of these major stores are pondering going back to
the you stand in line and scan everything out.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah. Some of the stores are responding by restricting or
reducing these self checkout or the number of items. For example,
Target now has a ten item limit dollar General and
five below. They put in fewer self checkout lanes. Walmart
has removed some of the machines. Sam's Club now is
pushing their scan and go app instead of doing it
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at the register. And the stores are increasing their video monitoring,
their staffing in some cases, and also AI systems now
to detect suspicious behavior.
Speaker 3 (12:25):
This is a big deal because it's costing you money
every ounce of theft. The store doesn't eat it, they
pass it.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
They're going to pass it on to you.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
They pass it on to you.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
So the more prevalent just becomes the more shrinkage, thank you.
The more prevalent this becomes the more you're going to
pay for stuff every time you go through the through
the to the grocery store.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So you have to wonder why are people stealing? Is
it just they're a holes to get their kicks. No.
Forty seven percent say that essentials are too expensive.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Well, okay, before you read the rest of this list,
let's just stop there. I guarantee you ninety five percent
of those people have an iPhone or equivalent, right, So
don't give me some sad story about how you can't
afford food when a lot of these people, I guarantee
have streaming services.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
All the stuff.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
They're nails done exactly. Yeah, Yeah, I don't buy that
for a second. I mean, I get that they may
give that as an excuse, but I don't buy that
that's the reality on the ground for a second.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
So, forty six percent say that price increases are due
to tariffs. Thirty nine percent feel that prices are unfair
and too high. So there's a portion of people who
just want to stick it to the corporation.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
But it's not the corporation causing the inflation. This is
what Look, I'm not on the side of corporation because
you know, I think they're trying to make as much
money as they possibly can at the expense of you,
And I think they're trying to get as much out
of their employees as they can at the expense of
the employee. But the price has been directly caused by
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actions of our government, whether it's the magical money printing factory,
whether it's shutting down supply chains, whether it's now these tariffs.
Like the corporations. Walmart didn't just wake up one day
and if it were some big act Target or Meyer
or whoever, would immediately undercut them and take all their business.
(14:26):
Everybody's prices are rising because of all the stuff the
government has done, both Democrats and Republicans, and yet for
some reason people just refuse to vote better. But they
always complain about their circumstance where they're at and blame
everybody but the people that they've put in charge to
make these policies.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
So sixty nine percent believe that self checkout makes it
easier to steal, and it does break down across gender.
Men are twice as likely to steal as women. Really, Yeah,
and of the people who say.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You did this study, who put this together, it always
fascinates me.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Who the who? The actual study is.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Lending Tree.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Okay, all right, very good.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
And of the people who have stolen in the past,
sixty one percent say they do it again.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Have you ever gotten out of the store with something
that you didn't pay for accidentally?
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Because I guarantee it's not that I'm aware of, because
I'm pretty good at checking that, not only checking to
make sure that everything is scanned, but when I do
this self check out and put everything in the bags,
I always spin the wheel again to make sure that
I have picked up the bags. Yeah, you know, with
the items that I've put in because very much like you,
(15:43):
I would that would be the stupidest thing to go
down for.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And I wonder maybe somebody who is in this industry
because we have.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Co or somebody who's done it, well, yeah, or somebody
who's done let us know if you've shoplifted.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
You don't need not give your name when you're if
you do that is there's some There has to be.
There's no way that if you paid for one hundred
and fifty dollars in groceries and you had some two
dollars and fifty cent jug of milk that you just
didn't scan. There's no way they called the cops on
you for that. So my question is, if you've been
a Victim's not the right word, but if you've had
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this happen to you, do they.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
What is the process like, let you go back in
and oops, oh let me just pay it?
Speaker 3 (16:23):
Yeah, there's no It has to be relative to what
you're actually doing, right, I mean, there's no way you
would be an insane person to spend all this money
in groceries and then risk it on, you know, one
little thing.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
There has to.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
Be some some formula that they use to decide whether
they're going to go, hey, man, you I think you
forgot to pay for that versus going nine to one one.
You know, we've got a serial thief on our hands.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
Well, according to the study, the people had that have stolen,
forty six percent have been caught and there are some
sociopaths doing it because thirty one percent say they don't
feel remorse.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Well, you'll love this.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
When I worked at the State Auditor's office, so this
was years ago, one of the guys I worked with
had a part time job at I think it was Target,
but I don't know that for sure. I can't remember
his target or his kmart. But he had a job.
His weekend job was he worked in lost Prevention and
he would come in on Monday, you know, he'd work
there Saturday and Sunday and he was the eye and
(17:19):
the sky guy, right and he was this guy.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Was perfect for this.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
He was totally cerebral about everything, very sharp, and he
would tell me these stories of what was stolen and
how they would catch people red hated. And then his
favorite part was he was not the guy that approached
them then. I think they had like an officer on
duty who then when they would do, okay, that person whatever.
And the excuses then because they take you back to
(17:42):
some sort of not holding cell or whatever, but some
way that they, you know, try to.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Get you to fess up.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
And the excuses that these people would give when they've
got him right on camera, he said, they were just,
I mean, the worst, but it was hilarious the stuff
they would try to come up with to explain stealing
the st up.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
So Ethan Hatcher from Saturday Night on the Circle was
over at the State House yesterday. He gave some testimony
in the redistricting hearing.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Oh yes, we stood next to each other the entire time,
and I thought it'd be fun because he gave a
very fabulous speech, far spirit of the one that I gave.
And I thought it'd be fun to have Ethan come
in give his perspective on, well, the freak show that
we saw yesterday.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
We'll just call it what it is.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
He'll join us next On ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
I walked up the steps and I stood on.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
A woman I didn't recognize.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
Came a spool.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay, Yeah, we started our show today.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
It was a wild day yesterday at the Indiana State House,
and I wasn't alone in my misery.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, one hundred and twenty seven people signed up to
give public testimony. You were one of them. You know
who else was one of them?
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Our old pal, you know, from Saturday Night on the Circle,
Saturday night, seven o'clock here at WIBC, Ethan Hatcher.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
He joins us. Now, Ethan Hatcher, Hello, thanks for having
me in the studio. Guys.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Okay, so you made the misery of yesterday a little
less miserable. You and I palled around for a couple
of hours as we waited to speak. I thought you
did a fantabulous job.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
I appreciate that, Rob, but you know, you picked the
absolute worst spot for us to stand in the crowd
because we were right in the path of where people
were trying to squeeze through. I had folks bumping against
me every couple of minutes. We were all packed in
there like sardines. And I'll tell you what, those Democrats
stay That room smelled awful. The body odor was wafting
(19:39):
so thick you could cut it with a knife.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Okay, so I know we laid out a little bit
about what happened, but you're standing earlier, but you're standing
in this hallway out front the State House, the Senate
chambers in the state House.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Yeah, they've got.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
These speakers, but they're like little baby speakers, so you
can't hear anything. And they're supposed to be putting people's
names up on the screen because you can watch the thing,
but they're like two people behind. So you got to
keep asking the guy who's like the gatekeeper, and then
he's getting annoyed everybody for asking. It was a complete
dumpster fire, and so were many of the people and
either at numerous times looked at each other and go, go,
(20:11):
I hate that we're on the same side of these people.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, because they're nuts.
Speaker 6 (20:15):
Well, at one point I looked at you and I,
you know, kind of mock tore up my speech. I'm like,
you know what, I've changed my mind. I'm not supporting
you people.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Screw it.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
And that was enough to do it while we were
questioning you know what would make someone change their mind, Ethan,
You did a good job when you were speaking in
front of the committee. You were, as far as I
can tell, the only person who got a compliment.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah. I think they were a little bit surprised.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I was able to squeeze all that in, but I
was using my broadcasting training to great effect. I almost
did it, Rob, I almost got all the way through.
I gave ninety nine point five percent of a speech,
but they cut me off halfway through the very very
last thing.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
You nearly hit the post.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Yeah almost.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I cut a paragraph out of mind because I said,
I ain't given Gaskell the thrill of buzzing me or
cutting me off that little backstabb Remember he was on
our show screaming about how bad property taxes were, and
then he voted for that abomination of a property tax.
Was said, Ah, hey, giving him the thrill, buzzing me
or cutting me off. I ended with two seconds to go.
All right, So obviously the three undecided's, as we predicted,
(21:18):
voted to move it forward.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
Am I good? Or am I good?
Speaker 2 (21:21):
You're good?
Speaker 1 (21:21):
I told you exactly.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I said those three are going to vote for it.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But say they're not voting for it, Well, you know
why they did it, rob because they're not going down
with this shit. They're gonna get other people on the
record too. They're not gonna take all the.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Flak for that.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
They didn't want the smoke the three deciders. Okay, so
let's talk just briefly about the approach that was taken
yesterday for the people who weren't able to be there.
I think these lefty people have no idea what they're doing,
and the idea that you're going to be booing other
people while they're speaking, the idea that somebody has a
(21:57):
different opinion than you and you're just gonna be a
complete asked them you and I tried to tell a
couple of people with it, and they just weren't having
any of it. That works against you. These sentersre gonna
do what they're gonna do, and you kind of get
the sympathy on your side right now, and then you
sort of maybe veer people in another direction because you
can't help yourself.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Yeah, you got to read the room.
Speaker 6 (22:16):
You got to play to your audience, and they're already
you know, they've got the popular side on this issue,
because anytime it's been pulled, Hoosiers are broadly against it.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Just let people speak. Everybody is allowed to speak.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Everybody is getting their two minutes to make their stance
known on this issue. All you gotta do is let
them get through it. I mean, for a lot of
these folks, I think it's a profession. It's arts and
crafts time.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You know.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
They brought out their little their little art projects and
their little scrawls and their permanent marker, and that's what
it was all about. It's about me, me, me, not
about what's actually going on.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
That's something that I noticed as I watched all of
that testimony.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Casey is the real hero and all of this, because look,
I would sat through three seconds to watching that if
we hadn't been there, and she sat through the whole
until the vote.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
I know, which happened at seven forty one last night.
But I noticed quite a few things with the people
that are against the redistricting came from a lot of NGOs, nonprofits,
and quite a few had trumped arrangement syndrome. Is that
way you were picking up when you were in the
vestibule waiting area.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Oh, I think that is a fair assessment. Casey.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Anytime, it was real easy to read which of the
speakers were pro redistricting and which were Again, I could tell.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And this stuffed up to the to the podium as well.
Speaker 6 (23:38):
Well, mostly because of the response from the crowd. Like I,
you know, I'm as blind as a bat rob. He
has good eagle eyed vision, but I can't even read
the close captioning on.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
The big screen.
Speaker 6 (23:49):
But I didn't need to because the crowd would inform
me based.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
On their booze and jeers.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
Now you had mentioned I don't like being on the
same side of an issue with the people because you
had this experience yesterday. Does that sway you at all?
Does that make you go, oh, you know what, maybe
it should be nine to zero?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
No, No, not at all.
Speaker 6 (24:09):
I was I was just joking because I think the
important thing is to stand for the principle of our
principles of our countries founding and if you don't have standards,
then what do you have.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Ethan Hatcher, Saturday n on the Circle is our guest.
He braved the elements yesterday spent several hours with me
at the State House. My favorite part of the whole
day yesterday, Casey was Ethan and I. Though we were
signed up at the same time, somehow ended up like
twenty people apart. And Ethan speaks and he's like, have
a good day, see you.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
And I was loved to be there by my lonesome
around these people.
Speaker 6 (24:44):
I want to well, I told you, hey, they stay.
I wanted to get away from the body owner b
I had to go to the grocery store before I
had a showing in the evening because I had work
to do.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Rob.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
I'm a working man, all right.
Speaker 3 (24:56):
If you had to predict, because I genuinely have no
idea how that's going to go up or down on redistricting,
what do you think if I had to call it,
I'm gonna say down real because the Senate had already
came out against this, and if they continue to support it,
then they're essentially validating the scare tactics of all these
(25:18):
swatters of the violent mob, and I just don't think
we can have that in.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
A civil society. Now, maybe I'm wrong.
Speaker 6 (25:24):
Maybe these senators are all cowards and they're just gonna
bend the knee because they don't want to take the
flag for going on public record. Maybe that's the secret
sauce here that's going to sway the vote. But I
think it will squeak by with a no.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
That's my guess, Casey. You'll love this. So I obviously
know many many people in the state House. They don't
maybe proudly know me, but in quiet corners I was
able to talk to several of them yesterday. There was
a very known lobbyist yesterday who I was talking to.
I said, so, like, how's it going. He goes horrible.
He said, nobody's paying any attention to anything until this
(26:00):
thing gets decided. And that's money for those guys. So
they're honked off because nobody's paying attention to things that
they need to move forward for their clients to get paid.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Oh am, I supposed to feel bad for the lobbyists.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Now, the other thing you'll love, Miss Violin.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Well, the other thing somebody told me yesterday is they
said one of the things these old timers are doing.
These people have been there since the earth was young.
They figured out these committee heads or whatever, that nobody's
paying attention. They're trying to slip all these bills through
now in these other committees because there was a whole
bunch of business going on yesterday and nobody was paying
attention to any of.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
It because everything was focused on redistricting.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Now, getting something out of committee doesn't mean it's going
to get approved, doesn't mean it's gonna if it passed
the Senate, pass the House. But these wily old veterans
are like, well, nobody's paying any attention. Nobody to come, bitch,
let's put this bill for it. I've wanted for twenty years.
Weren't we kind of joking about that?
Speaker 6 (26:48):
I wonder who's showing up outside of Room one point
thirty for the Agriculture Committee.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
You know, if they got as big of a crowd,
doubt it.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I'm curious, did you notice any difference with the presence
of the national media being there.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
No, No, you could barely tell who was credential media.
Most of the credentialed media was inside the chambers, so
it didn't really register to me who was active media
until after I had gotten done speaking at the podium,
and then a few of them approached me for comment
or how do you spell your name? Stuff like that,
and then then it's like, ah, media.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Did you feel that Gasca was talking directly to the
two of you when he was laying out the rules
of cheering?
Speaker 1 (27:24):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, yeah, we were.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
We are our buddy Joe.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
My buddy Joe was there too and a big fan
of our show and was at the property tax rally.
We were by far the best behaved people. We were
the ones because we know how to operate in decent society.
So news flash, if you're on the left and you
hear this, look But by the way, my favorite thing
was when I got in there was rucus applause and
I walked out the laugh and going you people would
(27:48):
hate everything I stand for.
Speaker 2 (27:50):
Yeah, exactly, I agree on this one, you know exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
But the lefty people, you got to get your act together,
like you cannot be behaving like lunatics. That is not
going to sway these people one way or another. You're
gonna be far more effective just being calm and rational
and saying your piece and then going home.
Speaker 6 (28:09):
Yeah, listen to Rob speech. I mean he was uncharacteristically
well behaved. That's why I was very impressed. Now, what
do you have to do? Do you pop a zany take
a couple of melatonin?
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Well, god, I know we got to go here. But
Casey were talking about this earlier to start the show.
I had two ways I could go was the fork
and the proverbial fork in the road. I could have
just spent two minutes roasting those people, which in hindsight
I kind of wish i'd done now, But next time,
I talked to some people that are in the know,
and they said it would be far more effective for
you to use logic and kindness and really wow them
(28:38):
that you because some people think I am just a
raving lunatic twenty four hours a day, seven days a week,
and I think I totally confused everybody.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
The one thing that impressed me both about the two
of you, Ethan you stuck to kind of a historical
perspective with the founding fathers, and Rob you stuck to
the policy that wasn't the case with everybody who testified.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Ethan Atcher Saturday Nights w IBC, Thank you, Thank.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
You, You're listening to Kennilly Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
I don't know what planet Dave Ramsey's living on, but
it is not Earth.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
He was on Fox News and he was saying that
Donald Trump's economy is lifting the middle class again, and
he went on to say that there is not an
affordability crisis.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
Greats are down and gas prices are down below three
dollars in most places. The economy seems to be. The
people we're talking to are really not having huge, serious
affordability problems. There's a lot of talking heads, a lot
of squawking about that, but most of that's political.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Okay, I guess I'm a talking head, but I also
shop at the grocery store. I live a pretty middle
class existence boat. My wife and I both make decent money,
but by no means rich. I live in a sixteen
hundred square foot ranch house on a third of an acre.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Right.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I drive a car that has no power, locks or windows.
I live a pretty, you know, live low life, right
in terms of I'm comfortable. I have a television, heat,
air conditioning, a house, and can provide for my family.
But I'm not living the high life, and I will
tell you it is a swift kick in the junk
anytime you try to buy anything. And he sounds just
(30:14):
totally out of step with reality.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Well, you have to keep in mind that Dave Ramsey
completely owns his broadcast company and in twenty eighteen his
net worth was fifty five million dollars, so you are
living a different existence.
Speaker 1 (30:27):
And I mean, God bless him.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
He's made his money, honestly, and good for him, and
by all accounts, he's helped a lot of people, which
is great. But I'm sorry the middle class who And
by the way, the gas price stuff is what gets me.
Gas prices are down not because if anything Trump's done,
it's because the economy is restricting.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
The economy is war is worse off.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
There's not a demand for oil for gasoline like there
has been, and thus if there's not a demand for something,
we know, the price goes down, right, which great.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
You and I have jobs right now. We work in radio.
Speaker 3 (31:05):
Who knows tomorrow, but we have jobs, so that benefits us, right.
It's cheaper for us to get to and from work. However,
other people it's horrible because they don't have jobs to
be able to afford to buy the gas to go
to work, like it.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
Just food, rent.
Speaker 3 (31:22):
All of this stuff is more expensive, and wages are
not rising in accordance with the price of everything.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
CBS News just came out with an article just moments
ago and they said that more than seventy five percent
of homes across the country are unaffordable. But Dave Ramsey
said that America's finally breathing again under real leadership. It's
only going to get better from here. One of the
pieces of advice that he says he can always tell
when a family is going to stay middle class is
(31:50):
when they have two expensive cars sitting in front of
a middle class home, often with big monthly payments. He said,
more cars equals more bills. You consider insurance prepares, gas depreciation,
and ideally what you want to have is no more
than fifty percent of your income tied up in depreciating
(32:10):
assets like cars.
Speaker 3 (32:12):
And look, I agree with all that, but the reality
is you got to have give people something to look
forward to right now. If you got two Mercedes out there,
and you know your combined household income is one hundred
thousand dollars, then maybe yeah, you're going to be going
to be pressing it but I mean, come on, I mean,
what are we talking about nice cars?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Right?
Speaker 3 (32:29):
I mean what a lot of people have SUVs or whatever.
You spend a ton of time in your car. It's
like making your house dice. It's where you live, right.
I just like, we shouldn't have to be making these
choices in this country. We should have to be choosing
between you know, do this or do that. That's just
not the way it's supposed to work. I had a
fascinating conversation at the property or the property tax the
(32:50):
distorting rally yesterday. Some woman told me she was very
disappointed in me.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
Oh yeah, you want to tell me more?
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Would you like to tell me? Would you like me
to tell you? Responsored to become back.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Yes, It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC
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