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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, we got a huge show today, Casey, thanks. Show
coming up a little bit later in the program, Doug Carter,
former state police superintendent, it's going to be with us.
He's going to talk about all things Delphi. Of course,
there is that new documentary out on a Hulu three
part series. Doug is all over that, and so we
(00:22):
will get it. We'll do a deep dive.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, we'll get his impression on it.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And no question off limits.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We'll ask him about everything related to that case. That
will be a chemus interview. And then coming up at
nine point thirty, we're going to have a Mitch Gore,
who is a Democrat state representative. He will be with
us talking about this redistricting battle, what he knows, what
they're hearing inside the state House, and what if anything
the Democrats can potentially do about it. So those are
(00:51):
our big guess of the day. We've got some other
fun little segments and surprises.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
For the public.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But first, yes, draw the drive, the drive into work,
not like my drive drive anywhere in Indianapolis, not like
my drive to be here, Like I have plenty of
drive to be here each day, and we're not talking
about that motivation. No, no, No, we're talking about the
actual physical get in your get here, and we're.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Going to get to this.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
By the way, did you see that the Republicans got
rid of Michael Paul Hart last night the indian So
there are six of the twenty five. There are six
Republicans on the Indianapolis City County Council, so you're out
numbered six to nineteen. And their response was let's get
rid of the leader of the Republicans. And the reason
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is believed to be he was too mean to hog Seat.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, were you yelling at hog Set on your way
into work today? I was, That's who I was blaming.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, it's all I mean. The city.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I hate to say this. I hate to say this
because I love everything Indiana.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I love.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I grew up here, grew up a central the name
of whole life is here. The city is a complete
lost cause at this point, I mean, it is such
a complete dumpster fire. And like I'm I have driven
down to downtown Indianapolis. I'm forty years old, so I've
driven to downtown Indianapolis for over twenty years and until
about say, the past five years. By the standard of
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which you would judge driving, like would you rather drive
on an unrestricted country road or to downtown anywhere. Of
course it would be the unrestricted country road. But by
the standard of which you measure a drive to a
major metropolitan city, downtown in Indianapolis, be it middle of
the day, be it in the evening, even being during
a large sporting event of some sort, compared to other
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major metropolitan cities was a steal line from President Trump
talking about me.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was a great dream. It was easy.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There was ease of access, There was on street parking,
the ability to get in and out where you wanted
to go. Even during times what we would call traffic calamity,
it was still a reasonable and a largely pleasurable experience.
And my gosh, Casey, especially over the past five years,
it is just I dread. I dread driving to work
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every single day because no matter where you go, no
matter what sort of detour you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Try to take, or no matter what time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You can't move.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So I when I first started driving to WIBC nine
years ago, it was almost on the dot, a thirty
minute experience. Sometimes you get lucky and it'd be twenty five,
depending on you know what's going on, et cetera. It
took me almost fifty minutes wow today to get here today. Yeah,
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because and like there's a traffic you know, the feeling
where you just feel your soul getting sucked out of
your body. Like I'm on seventy coming in and now
it's a forty minute at best experience. But if there's
anything going on on seventy and so I see the
traffic beginning to stop, Yeah, before the exits that you
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get off to get to the.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Greater downtown in those break lights, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And so you got to take an early exit because
the traffic is stopped, and you just know, you just
know in the just deep down, this is going to
be a.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Complete dumpster fire.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And everywhere you go, everywhere you go in this city,
it is nothing but those giant barricades, barrels, inability to
move in like everywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Detour signs everywhere. It's really interesting, you say, typically takes
you a half an hour to get from Brownsburg to
downtown Indianapolis. What do I live five miles from downtown
and it takes me a half hour? Yeah, so many
detours and of course everybody is using the same detour
and it's just backed up forever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know it was interesting. So they had this budget
meeting last night. By the way, I have heard from
multiple people who were in the room last night that
said Hawkset gave what sounded like a reelection speech last night.
Now doesn't mean that's going to happen, but I heard that.
Steven Stephen our Indie reporter. Everybody followed the Indie Reporter
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account at Indie Underscore Reporter Underscore, Stephen was there doing
a play by play off it last night. Steven, can
you confirm in the YouTube chat either you can watch
the program on YouTube, just put Kendall and Casey into
your YouTube.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Search bar there.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Can you confirm that it sounded like it was a
reelection speech from Joe hog set last night, because I
heard that from multiple people. And one of the things
in watching Steven's play by playover at the Indie Reporter
account of the things that were being presented and the
different things that were being proposed is what we said yesterday,
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it doesn't matter if they had a three billion dollar budget.
The budget is one point seven billion. It wouldn't matter
if it were three billions. Stephen saying yes, then the
indeed that was a what like a reelection speech? From
Joe Hawkson, So get ready for term number four?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What was my reaction when I heard that ug? And
then what could I say it? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I allowed to say it? Yes it was it radio appropriate?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? I think so? Was it the question I asked you?
Oh what I wanted?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh yeah, that's so perfect. Yes, Casey goes, Can you
send me Markedeedle's phone number? There was definitely an UG
in there.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh there was enough.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And then Casey asked for Marked Deal's pone number because
he's ready to sell her home. So the point at
all of this is that he'll run, and if her
runs again, he'll win. The Republicans are the Republicans are
so afraid of this guy. Look, we're not Michael Paul
Hart super fans by any stretch of the imagination on
this radio show. But the idea that he it was
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too tough on Hawg set and he's got to go.
So you have no opposition whatsoever from the Republicans. And
it wouldn't matter if the budget were three billion, because
the city is so incompetent, so incompetent in the way
in which it is run, that nothing's ever going to change.
It's going to be the same guy or the same
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group of people making the same choices, and it is
not a money issue. It is a brutal incompetence issue.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Do you remember when Jesse Brown introduced that proposal to
have people remove from leadership. Yeah, that's right, and then
it was seconded, Uh huh, and then only two out
of the five Republicans voted that's great.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, and think about.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like, it's just it saddens me and to have to
be subjected to your torture and misery every single day,
which we do, I do you do having to do.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like it's a real life game of Frogger at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, where you're car is the is the central character
in the Frogger arcade game. And you're trying, like, I
get construction happens. I'm not angry about that. I get
the detours are going to happen. I'm not angry about that.
This is not normal. This is not how competent people
run stuff. Everything can't be shut down at the same.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Time, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And for some of it, it's so that they can
build a taxpayer funded.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Hotel or a blue line a.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Bus that nobody's gonna use.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's not stuff where like, we're gonna make these streets
wider and we're gonna make them better, and when we
come out of this, you're gonna have a driving experience
like never before.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Was it one hundred million dollars they were gonna spend
on the homeless, So what is that? Less than ten percent?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But it doesn't matter. The homelessness issue is not a
money issue. We've talked about before. At Luger Plaza, which
is just the newest, most visible homeless camp that they've
allowed that beautiful lugar Plaza to be overtaken, there's a
salvation army a block from it. If those people wanted help,
there's a place they could go and they would be helped.
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It's not about money, it's not about resources. It's about
a lack of competency and giving a damn And so.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
This is our life.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, well as long as the people that are in
power stay there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, So we're off to a good start today.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Very good. It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Hey, I'm reading news.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, what's that You've been summons to serve your country.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I can't believe it's happening again. Rob I came yesterday,
and I get the mail and in walks summons for
jury service. Oh no, no, and the date for it
yes September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, So it's Kennelly Casey Show. By the way, I'm
Rob That's Casey keV is our fabulous pretty So you
got in the mail, they just send you a card
of some sort.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it's a bright yellow card, okay, And it says
summons for jury service and it's got your juror number,
your group number, your juror pin number. Greetings, your order
to appear is a prospective juror for the Marion Circuit
and Superior Court on September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Okay. So I have several questions about this me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Too, Like why do I keep voting because nothing happens
in town based on my vote, but yet I get
called for jury.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You're on a list.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well okay, So first of all, you have been called
before I have. Now you were you were booted. You
were given the boot ski.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I was never one of the people that actually
had to get in line. They said. The the rest
of you that are sitting here, you're dismissed like I
had such a high number.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, very good. So what you get there and they
give you some sort of number. Yeah, you have an
assigned number, and then based on I guess whatever the
cases are in front of them that day or who
they need those a.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Lot of people, I'll go into different court run yeah,
and then you're told to go home.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Now, there's no way they will actually pick you, given
what you do for a living.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Especially if I'm wearing a big WIBC T shirt carrying
a Rob Kendall book. I would never do that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, there's no way they would.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And this is what's I think most frustrating is this
will just be a colossal waste of your time because
they will not pick you. There's no defense or prosecute.
Prosecution might want you because you're pretty level. No, it
could be a civil trial too. Yeah, I have no
idea what I pick you for a civil trial. You
have no idea what it's about until you get there.
I could see I could see a civil jury of
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some sort allowing a media personality to be on there
on their jury.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
My sister in law right away when I told her, Oh,
what's it about?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yes, of course, yes.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, I have no idea what it's about. Okay, And
I don't know if I'll get picked until you show
up that day and they tell you, you know, bring
a lunch, plastic utensils.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
They don't even pay for your lunch. What's the what
do we know what the jury pay is?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know what it said it on the back of
the card. It's like thirty dollars for showing up. And
then if you get selected on the jury. I believe
it's fifty dollars, and then it goes up I believe
to eighty dollars and then possibly ninety. I'm not remembering exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, wait, wait, wait, so you get you got money
last time just for showing up.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, they send you a check of some sort. Did
they do it? They send you money?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, they send you the check. I mean you have
to it says, you know, well, I get.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That they're telling you have to show up. I'm not
just speaking that, but I'm saying, they give you money
just for showing up. Okay, So this is not all
bad for you, because I think our work, obviously maybe
illegally have to There's like you don't have to take
a day off.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You're on your personal right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's not like I have to use a PTO day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So basically you get to see this connecttionally, we're got
in your favorite You're getting paid at least thirty dollars
to avoid me for a day, So it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, I do believe last time I went and they said, no,
you're used, You're not one of the people were using.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So did they had to do thirty dollars on a
way at the door They.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually, I don't remember if he could see a lot
of tens. Now I think it gets mailed to oh yeah, probably,
And then I went out to lunch.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, so you basically got a free day off of
work and you got to avoid me, and you got
thirty bucks which paid for your lunch to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So this is the positive spin, right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And then think about if you get some sort of
multi day event the pay goes up and you get
to avoid me for multiple days. You're really highly invested.
Now the question I have several questions about this that
nobody can ever clarify for me. They did not send
that like via registered mail. There was no time in
sign for this, So how do they know you? Obviously
they know now you got it because you've agreed to
talk about it publicly.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But let's just.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Say you didn't want to participate.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Could you just say, I don't know, I didn't get it.
I mean, how would they know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
There's no there's no proof, there's no signature thing whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
How would they get I mean if there were a
if there were.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
A pandemic of people wanting to avoid jury service, like, say,
are right at the same time, just said we're simply
not participating without proof the thing was delivered to your dwelling.
How that you even got it. Something could be delivered,
The mail could have delivered somebody, cause.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
First class mail pre sorted. Yeah, that's not there's no
proof of that came out of South Bend.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Some guy could have somebody could have launched your you know,
Pilford your mail or something.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Well, I would hope not too. But I'm just saying
it doesn't like there's any actual physical proof.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And you got to call a number the night before, oh,
to see if they still want you to come in
the next morning. Sure, so you have to make plans
to go. Oh, and then you got to call the
night before to see if they want you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But what then you might not get the thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, I might not even have to show up.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, that's wild. All right, we got it. Well, good luck. Thanks,
Let's take a break. When we come back, Mitch Gore, Democrats,
State Representative, going to be with us. We're going to
find out the latest what's going on with this redistricting effort.
There's a bunch of people that are now coming out
against this on the Republican side. Craig Haggard, Danny Lopez,
Tomes and Er Tomes has come out. So we'll get
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a Democrat perspective on what they can do. Can they
cobble a coalition together to fight this?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And and what's next with that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It is Kennel Le Caasey on ninety three wibczs running.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So the redistricting battle has hit in Vienna. We know
what the governor has to say about it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We know thus for kind of what Republican leadership has
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
What's the other side of the aisle have to say?
Let's find out.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's Kenell Casey Show and Rob Casey's here join us
now in studio. Mitch Gore, Democrat Representative. Mitch Hello, Hey,
all right, so have you guys been given any sort
of I don't know directive. I mean, look, look it's
pretty obvious. It's partisan politics. That's it, period, full stop,
and that's that's gross. It's a manipulation of the electoral system.
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But have you guys been given any like in a
from a governmental perspective where they are they even trying
to sell it to you in terms of there's some
sort of necessity or are they just being honest that, hey,
we're going to do this because we want more more
seats in the Congress.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean normally they're pretty good about spinning some
you know, uh lie into some reason why we have
to do something, or giving some practical reason why something
should be done, or they find some excuse to do things,
and everybody knows that No, really it's you know, it's
for political expediency. This time, you know, we've heard nothing
because there's there's no way to spin this. It would
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you know, when when Democrats vote forty percent or when
Hoosiers vote across Indiana, you know, forty percent of them
vote for a Democrat for Congress. Right with our nine seats,
that would be like three Democratic seats and one haws up,
but we actually only have two and the other seven
and republican. You know, you can see that the fix
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is in already, so to want to come back and
take the other two, it's it's you can't hide that well.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And this is what And I'm just curious that you know,
you're in the state House even though there's not a
session going on, you're talking to your colleagues. But they
just drew these was it two years ago? Three years ago?
You guys drew twenty one?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, twenty one, So for four years ago, time flies, right,
but it wasn't that long ago. And they just said
these maps are fair, and there's two Democrat seats and
that's okay. They got a little a little creative with
the fifth congressional district make that little more republican. But
but that happens. It's not like, yes, wouldn't probably do
the same thing if you were in power. But how
do you go from just four years ago saying, hey,
these maps are perfectly fair, to boy, they're so screwed up.
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Now we got to redraw the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think Simone Biles would have a
hard time with the level of gymnastics required to kind
of get there. And by the way, I'd like to
mention that, you know, we've been calling for an independent
redistricting commission for a long long time. So you talk
about what Democrats would do were they in power here
in Indiana. That's what we've been calling for.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And it's similar to mean to Cutch UF, but's still
by the way, Democrat Represative Mitch Gore is our guests,
we're talking about redistricting. Todd Rokeita almost twenty years ago,
proposed what you guys are basically proposing, right. I mean,
he had proposed taking to a certain exent, the human
element out of it and the partisanship out of it.
So it's not some extreme thing that you guys would
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be saying, Hey, let's get the people and the partisanship
out of this.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, and the Age's position on it back then, he
was one hundred percent right. Democrats in Indiana right about it. Now,
we really need to get there that much more closely.
Adheres to kind of what Madison was talking about in
Federalist ten when he talks about the tyranny of the majority,
kind of take the politics out of it, adhere to
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some of those constitutional constants or principles, and have an
independent Redistricting Commission. That's what we need. Of course, now
we're going complete other direction and injecting, you know, hyperpartisanship
into the map drawing process.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, it's interesting because obviously our audience leans a little
more right, and some people are upset that I have
the position.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That I do.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But my position on this is, Look, we have a
census every ten years, you know, it's sort of the
gentleman's agreement that that's how we're going to do our
congressional distribution. And hey, if that favors Republicans, great, If
it favors Democrats, that's okay. I don't like California doing it.
I don't like Texas doing it. I don't like Indiana
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doing it. It just seems very a very dirty way
to get to get elections in your favor if you
can't win them by governing.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, and you think about, like George Washington giving up
power and sticking to it two terms, right, And now
you have a president who so desperately wants to cling
to power that he's willing to kind of throw out
all of these norms that we've had for two hundred
years for very good reasons, just for another two years
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of being given carte blanche by the Congress. It doesn't
make sense. It feels very kind of anti the American
experiment to me.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So, and I want to get to come back to
that in just a second, cause he said something interesting
that I think you guys the Democrats could do to
maybe bolster your case. Feel free to ignore it in
the order in which it's received. We'll come back to
that in a second, though. Has Braun or is there
any scuttle button in the state House, because Braun came
on these airwaves repeatedly during the property tax debacle, debate,
whatever you want to call it, and said, basically, yeah,
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there's no point in calling a special session. It's totally pointless.
It's totally useless. It doesn't matter. I'll just have to
sign whatever they do. Has there been any talk about
how they're going to square on his signature issue? He
said a special session was pointless, But then on this
totally partisan issue, he says, sign me up for that.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I mean, the idea of a special session, it almost
makes it even worse, right, like people actually need property
tax relief, right, I think there's more of an argument
to have a special session to fix the mess that
was made with Senate Bill one to call a special
session instead and to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
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in taxpayer dollars to what get two more seats in Congress?
You know, for two years? It's it's insane.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay again, Mitch Score is our guest Democrat represented. A
few minutes left with him. We're talking about redistricting. What
can you guys do? Is the Democrats? I mean, obviously
the Democrats I think learned a lesson, hard lesson years
ago about leaving. It wouldn't matter now anyway, because the
super majorities. What can you guys do? Do you feel
do you feel there's a coalitionon of the willing amongst
the Republicans to say, hey, this isn't right or is
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this a fate of complete.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I mean, I hear from a lot of you know,
my district's very you know, we're really in the middle.
I got Beech Grove, I got the East side of Indie.
It's really interesting district. I hear from a lot of folks,
and I have a lot of Republican friends and family members,
and to them it feels gross too. And so I'm
hoping that you know, Indiana Democrats are just one in
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a cacophony of voices that kind of reach out and say,
this is this is really terrible. This is kind of
against all those those norms that we've had for hundreds
of years and maybe altogether because practically Indiana Democrats can't
do much other than raise the issue as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And then you know, come next year, maybe clabb orsome
Republicans with it in the elections.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Are they going to manipulate just the congressional districts or
they talking about House and Senate districts too.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I mean, the Indiana Constitution is very clear and there's
established precedent on this matter, and an AG opinion from
a few decades ago that says you cannot do a
mid decade, mid decade redistrict on the Indiana House and
Senate maps it the dicential census.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Do you think because there is some spirited debate, I've
seen it online and you know, the internet is never
wrong of course, about whether or not they can even
do And Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle was
on with us last week talking about this whether they
can even do this redistricting.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Are you guys, the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Are you guys going to raise those legal issues before
this is allowed to go forward?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, of course we will. And that's the
part that kind of irks me, almost as much as
the issue itself, is the hypocrisy baked in. Right, anytime
I have a bill, because I'm the only cop in
the General Assembly, anytime I the only one, the only
currently serving. Yeah, we have some retired members. But anytime
I like when I had to address the issue of
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machine gun switches because Indianapolis cops were getting outgunned on
the streets, right the hoops I had to jump through
because it strays kind of close to the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
The phrase I heard from Republicans was well, no, we
know it doesn't it doesn't actually impede upon like the
language of the Second Amendment, but it's a slippery slope. Well,
now we get to this conversation where the constitution is clear,
both the US and the Indiana Constitution. We do these
after the decential census, right, But now Republicans are like, well, technically, uh,
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you know, we could be a little creative. And so
it's the hypocrisy that irks me. Are we are we
sticking to the black and white, are we not? Uh?
And they have no good answer because it's all about
political expediency for them.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Do you think there's any way to stop it from happening? Well?
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Uh, you know, just like Madison warned against the tyranny
of the majority, I know some other founders talked about
watering the tree of liberty. Outside of that, I have no,
I have no. I don't know practically, Uh, in Indiana
what we can do that we have to return to
a system where there are political consequences doing things like this.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, you mentioned political consequences. What other consequences do you
see coming out of this?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I mean hopefully they'd lose in court. Uh first,
I mean yeah, I can't think of any other consequences
other than holding them accountable.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's the problem, right, And I think that can happen
to them, is they just lose in court because they've
jerrymandered the House and Senate districts to where they can't
they can't really lose theory either.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, ideally they would not
be targeting Indiana House and Senate.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But I think they've already they currently have.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Oh well, yeah, I mean you have that, but hey,
I mean, you know they're Democrats can break the supermajority
in the House. Uh, that's step one. Uh, you know
they do enough. Next year's midterm year. It was already
looking bad, which is why they have to do this
whole you know, mid district, mid decade redistricting thing, and
you know, maybe they get clobbered.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Hey, real quick before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
One of the selling points that Republicans are trying to
make on this is, well, we don't want to go through
another impeachment with Trump, and if we lose the House,
well it'll be another impeachment. Should the Democrats take that
off the table by just publicly declaring, Look, this guy's
term limited, he can't run again, we're not gonna impeach him,
and just take that away from people.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, I would. I would if I were in leadership
in the you know, in the federal Congress, I'd i'd
say something like unless it's something really you know, right
obvious in your face, and yeah, we're not gonna go
for that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
All right, Well, good luck, because you know, I think
we've kind of taken the right The radio guy wished
me good luck, right, my life is forever better. But
I think, like I said, I think reasonable people look
at this and see it kind of for what it is.
And some people are just gonna be with, okay with
it because it helps their team. But I think you know,
if you look at what this is about, because some
day it'll happen to your side. Right if you do
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it to their side, some day it'll happen to your side.
Your side learned that on the Supreme Court stuff right
with the judges, and so so good luck, we're all
we're all.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Counting on you. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I appreciate its seeing Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. Okay,
so coming up at.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
By the way, it's Kenell case Show and Rob Casey's here.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There are now lawmakers are beginning on the Republican side
to come out against this. We just had Mitch Gore,
Democrat state rep on about the redistricting plan. We've seen him. Believe,
Craig Haggard come out. Craig will be with us tomorrow.
By the way, he's as a big announcement tonight involving
his future, and so we'll have him on tomorrow and
then he's come out against it, I believe sinner. Jim
(27:32):
Thomas came out against it. Danny Lopez, this smoker this morning,
came out against it. So like, ultimately, whether they're gonna
go forward with this, I don't know. You're starting to
see some people take some positions on this. Okay, all
of that being said, coming up eleven o'clock, Doug Carter
is going to be with us. He is, of course,
we now call him a friend of the show.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I know and strange surn of events.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And he he was a former state police superintendent. Maybe
nobody out there knows the Delphi investigation better than him.
He is, while not interviewed directly in the Delphi documentary
on Hulu, he's all over it. And so he will
be with us coming up at eleven o'clock, talking about
the documentary, about the investigation itself. That's going to be
(28:15):
just a fascinating interview. I don't think he's done very
many long form interviews about Delphi, certainly post conviction, so
that'll be very interesting to hear what he has to say.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, so did you see the aol as ending their
dial up service? It's still endy it.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It still exists.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, service is going to
end September thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're telling me in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Are you talking about this noise? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, that's still a thing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, for some people, they they're going to discontinue their
dial up Internet. I mean, I can't even I didn't
have a landline phone anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I mean I don't even keV. Do you even
know what AOL is? Do you even? I mean your Yeah,
we had dial up until I was like ten, Oh
you did. Yeah, so even twenty years ago you had
dial up Internet.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Were you allowed to be on the Internet? Yeah? I used.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I tried to use YouTube, but when my grandma would call,
it always kicked me off the Internet.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Okay, so I'm sure obviously most people hearing our voice
would know what AOL was.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But it was this the kind.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Of first mainstream version of the Internet, in which you
had to have a phone line and you would plug
your computer into this phone line and this program would
then it sounded like you were dialing a phone number,
and it would connect you to the Internet. Casey, don't
ask me how I know this. You know how long
it took to download a photo.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
A while. Yeah, originally called America Online.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
If you had a two hour win between when school
was over when your parents got home from work, you
can get through about three photos.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I remember when it first came out and my boss
at a radio station had it, but only in his office,
so everybody would go back there and what is this
internet thing?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And then there was some upgrade of AOL that was
a big deal. Went from certain K to another K
and that was.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
A huge and the free trial scene so that they
would send out.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
That's right, because it was a subscription based thing. It
was through your phone company. I think, right was that
if I remember that correctly, because the big thing in
your house was you had to then get a second
phone line, otherwise you couldn't be on the phone.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Or you'd be kicked off. When Kevin's grandma called.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's right, that's right, and the computer at the at
the same time, and I think Kevin is correct. The phone,
although I don't know. I thought if you called and
you were on the internet, it gave a busy signal.
I thought that was the deal. You would get a
busy signal because you were literally on.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
The phone, the phone. Yeah. So in twenty one, Verizon
sold AOL and Yallaho to Apollo Global Management for five
billion dollars. What year twenty one, twenty one?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeaho's still around.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, Yahoo is still around, no kidding. AOL is now
part of Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But what does AOL do? How many what do people.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Still have the AOL email?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Well? Okay, but how are they making money on that?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I don't believe they are.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well, but they.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Paid five billion for it. But there was some way
to I mean, this is dumber to people that bought
my Space. I mean, there must be some way if
you paid five billion for something. Because the mega merger is.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
AOL a news site.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now, one of the mega mergers on of my youth
was the AOL Time Warner merger. That was the beginning
of the end of basically both of those companies. Is
when AOL, Time Warner, the cable company, and AOL merged together.
And that I mean people correctly, I'm wrong, You're a
little more season than I am. People lost massive amounts
(31:57):
of money. Ted Turner like lost a fortune in the
AOL Time Warner merger because Time Warner he had, you know,
basic control over Time Warner and then during that merger
he was put in a corner and told goodbye Grandpa
and then lost ended up losing a fortune on that boy.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I can't believe it's still around.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, there is an AOL dot com and they say
they're news, politics, sports mail in the latest headlines, So
that's how they're making their money. You can still get
on AOL mail.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Who's going there for their news? Though?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Who's like, you know what, there's some breaking must have information.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I'll go to AOL.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
AOL.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Who's working for AOL? Do they have employees?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Do they have people that like they sign checks over
to do work on their behalf?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I didn't even know it was still around.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
According to the picture, there's a guy working right there,
according to the picture on the internet. Yeah, what are
we doing? What's coming up next? We got to talk
about Donald Trump and the things he said about Washington
DCS today, what's going on there? And lots of good
stuff on the way with Kendall and Casey on ninety
three WYBC
Okay, we got a huge show today, Casey, thanks. Show
coming up a little bit later in the program, Doug Carter,
former state police superintendent, it's going to be with us.
He's going to talk about all things Delphi. Of course,
there is that new documentary out on a Hulu three
part series. Doug is all over that, and so we
(00:22):
will get it. We'll do a deep dive.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Yeah, we'll get his impression on it.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
And no question off limits.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
We'll ask him about everything related to that case. That
will be a chemus interview. And then coming up at
nine point thirty, we're going to have a Mitch Gore,
who is a Democrat state representative. He will be with
us talking about this redistricting battle, what he knows, what
they're hearing inside the state House, and what if anything
the Democrats can potentially do about it. So those are
(00:51):
our big guess of the day. We've got some other
fun little segments and surprises.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
For the public.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
But first, yes, draw the drive, the drive into work,
not like my drive drive anywhere in Indianapolis, not like
my drive to be here, Like I have plenty of
drive to be here each day, and we're not talking
about that motivation. No, no, No, we're talking about the
actual physical get in your get here, and we're.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
Going to get to this.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
By the way, did you see that the Republicans got
rid of Michael Paul Hart last night the indian So
there are six of the twenty five. There are six
Republicans on the Indianapolis City County Council, so you're out
numbered six to nineteen. And their response was let's get
rid of the leader of the Republicans. And the reason
(01:43):
is believed to be he was too mean to hog Seat.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yes, were you yelling at hog Set on your way
into work today? I was, That's who I was blaming.
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Well, it's all I mean. The city.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I hate to say this. I hate to say this
because I love everything Indiana.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
I love.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
I grew up here, grew up a central the name
of whole life is here. The city is a complete
lost cause at this point, I mean, it is such
a complete dumpster fire. And like I'm I have driven
down to downtown Indianapolis. I'm forty years old, so I've
driven to downtown Indianapolis for over twenty years and until
about say, the past five years. By the standard of
(02:25):
which you would judge driving, like would you rather drive
on an unrestricted country road or to downtown anywhere. Of
course it would be the unrestricted country road. But by
the standard of which you measure a drive to a
major metropolitan city, downtown in Indianapolis, be it middle of
the day, be it in the evening, even being during
a large sporting event of some sort, compared to other
(02:46):
major metropolitan cities was a steal line from President Trump
talking about me.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
It was a great dream. It was easy.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
There was ease of access, There was on street parking,
the ability to get in and out where you wanted
to go. Even during times what we would call traffic calamity,
it was still a reasonable and a largely pleasurable experience.
And my gosh, Casey, especially over the past five years,
it is just I dread. I dread driving to work
(03:17):
every single day because no matter where you go, no
matter what sort of detour you.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Try to take, or no matter what time.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
You can't move.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
So I when I first started driving to WIBC nine
years ago, it was almost on the dot, a thirty
minute experience. Sometimes you get lucky and it'd be twenty five,
depending on you know what's going on, et cetera. It
took me almost fifty minutes wow today to get here today. Yeah,
(03:53):
because and like there's a traffic you know, the feeling
where you just feel your soul getting sucked out of
your body. Like I'm on seventy coming in and now
it's a forty minute at best experience. But if there's
anything going on on seventy and so I see the
traffic beginning to stop, Yeah, before the exits that you
(04:15):
get off to get to the.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Greater downtown in those break lights, aren't you?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
And so you got to take an early exit because
the traffic is stopped, and you just know, you just
know in the just deep down, this is going to
be a.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Complete dumpster fire.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And everywhere you go, everywhere you go in this city,
it is nothing but those giant barricades, barrels, inability to
move in like everywhere.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Detour signs everywhere. It's really interesting, you say, typically takes
you a half an hour to get from Brownsburg to
downtown Indianapolis. What do I live five miles from downtown
and it takes me a half hour? Yeah, so many
detours and of course everybody is using the same detour
and it's just backed up forever.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
You know it was interesting. So they had this budget
meeting last night. By the way, I have heard from
multiple people who were in the room last night that
said Hawkset gave what sounded like a reelection speech last night.
Now doesn't mean that's going to happen, but I heard that.
Steven Stephen our Indie reporter. Everybody followed the Indie Reporter
(05:24):
account at Indie Underscore Reporter Underscore, Stephen was there doing
a play by play off it last night. Steven, can
you confirm in the YouTube chat either you can watch
the program on YouTube, just put Kendall and Casey into
your YouTube.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Search bar there.
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Can you confirm that it sounded like it was a
reelection speech from Joe hog set last night, because I
heard that from multiple people. And one of the things
in watching Steven's play by playover at the Indie Reporter
account of the things that were being presented and the
different things that were being proposed is what we said yesterday,
(06:00):
it doesn't matter if they had a three billion dollar budget.
The budget is one point seven billion. It wouldn't matter
if it were three billions. Stephen saying yes, then the
indeed that was a what like a reelection speech? From
Joe Hawkson, So get ready for term number four?
Speaker 2 (06:15):
What was my reaction when I heard that ug? And
then what could I say it? Yes?
Speaker 3 (06:21):
I allowed to say it? Yes it was it radio appropriate?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? I think so? Was it the question I asked you?
Oh what I wanted?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Oh yeah, that's so perfect. Yes, Casey goes, Can you
send me Markedeedle's phone number? There was definitely an UG
in there.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Oh there was enough.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
And then Casey asked for Marked Deal's pone number because
he's ready to sell her home. So the point at
all of this is that he'll run, and if her
runs again, he'll win. The Republicans are the Republicans are
so afraid of this guy. Look, we're not Michael Paul
Hart super fans by any stretch of the imagination on
this radio show. But the idea that he it was
(07:00):
too tough on Hawg set and he's got to go.
So you have no opposition whatsoever from the Republicans. And
it wouldn't matter if the budget were three billion, because
the city is so incompetent, so incompetent in the way
in which it is run, that nothing's ever going to change.
It's going to be the same guy or the same
(07:21):
group of people making the same choices, and it is
not a money issue. It is a brutal incompetence issue.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Do you remember when Jesse Brown introduced that proposal to
have people remove from leadership. Yeah, that's right, and then
it was seconded, Uh huh, and then only two out
of the five Republicans voted that's great.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, and think about.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Like, it's just it saddens me and to have to
be subjected to your torture and misery every single day,
which we do, I do you do having to do.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Like it's a real life game of Frogger at this point.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Yeah, where you're car is the is the central character
in the Frogger arcade game. And you're trying, like, I
get construction happens. I'm not angry about that. I get
the detours are going to happen. I'm not angry about that.
This is not normal. This is not how competent people
run stuff. Everything can't be shut down at the same.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Time, right, that's it.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
And for some of it, it's so that they can
build a taxpayer funded.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Hotel or a blue line a.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Bus that nobody's gonna use.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
It's not stuff where like, we're gonna make these streets
wider and we're gonna make them better, and when we
come out of this, you're gonna have a driving experience
like never before.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Was it one hundred million dollars they were gonna spend
on the homeless, So what is that? Less than ten percent?
Speaker 1 (08:50):
But it doesn't matter. The homelessness issue is not a
money issue. We've talked about before. At Luger Plaza, which
is just the newest, most visible homeless camp that they've
allowed that beautiful lugar Plaza to be overtaken, there's a
salvation army a block from it. If those people wanted help,
there's a place they could go and they would be helped.
(09:10):
It's not about money, it's not about resources. It's about
a lack of competency and giving a damn And so.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
This is our life.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Yeah, well as long as the people that are in
power stay there.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, So we're off to a good start today.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Very good. It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Hey, I'm reading news.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, what's that You've been summons to serve your country.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I can't believe it's happening again. Rob I came yesterday,
and I get the mail and in walks summons for
jury service. Oh no, no, and the date for it
yes September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Oh no.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Okay, So it's Kennelly Casey Show. By the way, I'm
Rob That's Casey keV is our fabulous pretty So you
got in the mail, they just send you a card
of some sort.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, it's a bright yellow card, okay, And it says
summons for jury service and it's got your juror number,
your group number, your juror pin number. Greetings, your order
to appear is a prospective juror for the Marion Circuit
and Superior Court on September eleventh.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Okay. So I have several questions about this me.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Too, Like why do I keep voting because nothing happens
in town based on my vote, but yet I get
called for jury.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
You're on a list.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well okay, So first of all, you have been called
before I have. Now you were you were booted. You
were given the boot ski.
Speaker 2 (10:38):
Well, I was never one of the people that actually
had to get in line. They said. The the rest
of you that are sitting here, you're dismissed like I
had such a high number.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Oh, very good. So what you get there and they
give you some sort of number. Yeah, you have an
assigned number, and then based on I guess whatever the
cases are in front of them that day or who
they need those a.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Lot of people, I'll go into different court run yeah,
and then you're told to go home.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Now, there's no way they will actually pick you, given
what you do for a living.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Especially if I'm wearing a big WIBC T shirt carrying
a Rob Kendall book. I would never do that.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
Yeah, there's no way they would.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
And this is what's I think most frustrating is this
will just be a colossal waste of your time because
they will not pick you. There's no defense or prosecute.
Prosecution might want you because you're pretty level. No, it
could be a civil trial too. Yeah, I have no
idea what I pick you for a civil trial. You
have no idea what it's about until you get there.
I could see I could see a civil jury of
(11:37):
some sort allowing a media personality to be on there
on their jury.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
My sister in law right away when I told her, Oh,
what's it about?
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Yes, of course, yes.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
No, I have no idea what it's about. Okay, And
I don't know if I'll get picked until you show
up that day and they tell you, you know, bring
a lunch, plastic utensils.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
They don't even pay for your lunch. What's the what
do we know what the jury pay is?
Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know what it said it on the back of
the card. It's like thirty dollars for showing up. And
then if you get selected on the jury. I believe
it's fifty dollars, and then it goes up I believe
to eighty dollars and then possibly ninety. I'm not remembering exactly.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Okay, wait, wait, wait, so you get you got money
last time just for showing up.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
Yeah, they send you a check of some sort. Did
they do it? They send you money?
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, they send you the check. I mean you have
to it says, you know, well, I get.
Speaker 1 (12:31):
That they're telling you have to show up. I'm not
just speaking that, but I'm saying, they give you money
just for showing up. Okay, So this is not all
bad for you, because I think our work, obviously maybe
illegally have to There's like you don't have to take
a day off.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
You're on your personal right.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
It's not like I have to use a PTO day.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
So basically you get to see this connecttionally, we're got
in your favorite You're getting paid at least thirty dollars
to avoid me for a day, So it's not.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, I do believe last time I went and they said, no,
you're used, You're not one of the people were using.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So did they had to do thirty dollars on a
way at the door They.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Actually, I don't remember if he could see a lot
of tens. Now I think it gets mailed to oh yeah, probably,
And then I went out to lunch.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Yeah, so you basically got a free day off of
work and you got to avoid me, and you got
thirty bucks which paid for your lunch to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
So this is the positive spin, right.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And then think about if you get some sort of
multi day event the pay goes up and you get
to avoid me for multiple days. You're really highly invested.
Now the question I have several questions about this that
nobody can ever clarify for me. They did not send
that like via registered mail. There was no time in
sign for this, So how do they know you? Obviously
they know now you got it because you've agreed to
talk about it publicly.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But let's just.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
Say you didn't want to participate.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Could you just say, I don't know, I didn't get it.
I mean, how would they know.
Speaker 1 (13:55):
There's no there's no proof, there's no signature thing whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
How would they get I mean if there were a
if there were.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
A pandemic of people wanting to avoid jury service, like, say,
are right at the same time, just said we're simply
not participating without proof the thing was delivered to your dwelling.
How that you even got it. Something could be delivered,
The mail could have delivered somebody, cause.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
First class mail pre sorted. Yeah, that's not there's no
proof of that came out of South Bend.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Some guy could have somebody could have launched your you know,
Pilford your mail or something.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Well, I hope not.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Well, I would hope not too. But I'm just saying
it doesn't like there's any actual physical proof.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
And you got to call a number the night before, oh,
to see if they still want you to come in
the next morning. Sure, so you have to make plans
to go. Oh, and then you got to call the
night before to see if they want you.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
But what then you might not get the thirty dollars.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Right, I might not even have to show up.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
Yeah, that's wild. All right, we got it. Well, good luck. Thanks,
Let's take a break. When we come back, Mitch Gore, Democrats,
State Representative, going to be with us. We're going to
find out the latest what's going on with this redistricting effort.
There's a bunch of people that are now coming out
against this on the Republican side. Craig Haggard, Danny Lopez,
Tomes and Er Tomes has come out. So we'll get
(15:13):
a Democrat perspective on what they can do. Can they
cobble a coalition together to fight this?
Speaker 2 (15:18):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (15:18):
And and what's next with that?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
It is Kennel Le Caasey on ninety three wibczs running.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
So the redistricting battle has hit in Vienna. We know
what the governor has to say about it.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
We know thus for kind of what Republican leadership has
to say about it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
What's the other side of the aisle have to say?
Let's find out.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
It's Kenell Casey Show and Rob Casey's here join us
now in studio. Mitch Gore, Democrat Representative. Mitch Hello, Hey,
all right, so have you guys been given any sort
of I don't know directive. I mean, look, look it's
pretty obvious. It's partisan politics. That's it, period, full stop,
and that's that's gross. It's a manipulation of the electoral system.
(16:09):
But have you guys been given any like in a
from a governmental perspective where they are they even trying
to sell it to you in terms of there's some
sort of necessity or are they just being honest that, hey,
we're going to do this because we want more more
seats in the Congress.
Speaker 5 (16:24):
Yeah, I mean normally they're pretty good about spinning some
you know, uh lie into some reason why we have
to do something, or giving some practical reason why something
should be done, or they find some excuse to do things,
and everybody knows that No, really it's you know, it's
for political expediency. This time, you know, we've heard nothing
because there's there's no way to spin this. It would
(16:47):
you know, when when Democrats vote forty percent or when
Hoosiers vote across Indiana, you know, forty percent of them
vote for a Democrat for Congress. Right with our nine seats,
that would be like three Democratic seats and one haws up,
but we actually only have two and the other seven
and republican. You know, you can see that the fix
(17:07):
is in already, so to want to come back and
take the other two, it's it's you can't hide that well.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And this is what And I'm just curious that you know,
you're in the state House even though there's not a
session going on, you're talking to your colleagues. But they
just drew these was it two years ago? Three years ago?
You guys drew twenty one?
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Yeah, twenty one, So for four years ago, time flies, right,
but it wasn't that long ago. And they just said
these maps are fair, and there's two Democrat seats and
that's okay. They got a little a little creative with
the fifth congressional district make that little more republican. But
but that happens. It's not like, yes, wouldn't probably do
the same thing if you were in power. But how
do you go from just four years ago saying, hey,
these maps are perfectly fair, to boy, they're so screwed up.
(17:46):
Now we got to redraw the whole thing.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Yeah, I mean, I think Simone Biles would have a
hard time with the level of gymnastics required to kind
of get there. And by the way, I'd like to
mention that, you know, we've been calling for an independent
redistricting commission for a long long time. So you talk
about what Democrats would do were they in power here
in Indiana. That's what we've been calling for.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
And it's similar to mean to Cutch UF, but's still
by the way, Democrat Represative Mitch Gore is our guests,
we're talking about redistricting. Todd Rokeita almost twenty years ago,
proposed what you guys are basically proposing, right. I mean,
he had proposed taking to a certain exent, the human
element out of it and the partisanship out of it.
So it's not some extreme thing that you guys would
(18:28):
be saying, Hey, let's get the people and the partisanship
out of this.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
Yeah, and the Age's position on it back then, he
was one hundred percent right. Democrats in Indiana right about it. Now,
we really need to get there that much more closely.
Adheres to kind of what Madison was talking about in
Federalist ten when he talks about the tyranny of the majority,
kind of take the politics out of it, adhere to
(18:53):
some of those constitutional constants or principles, and have an
independent Redistricting Commission. That's what we need. Of course, now
we're going complete other direction and injecting, you know, hyperpartisanship
into the map drawing process.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Yeah, it's interesting because obviously our audience leans a little
more right, and some people are upset that I have
the position.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
That I do.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But my position on this is, Look, we have a
census every ten years, you know, it's sort of the
gentleman's agreement that that's how we're going to do our
congressional distribution. And hey, if that favors Republicans, great, If
it favors Democrats, that's okay. I don't like California doing it.
I don't like Texas doing it. I don't like Indiana
(19:34):
doing it. It just seems very a very dirty way
to get to get elections in your favor if you
can't win them by governing.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
Yeah, and you think about, like George Washington giving up
power and sticking to it two terms, right, And now
you have a president who so desperately wants to cling
to power that he's willing to kind of throw out
all of these norms that we've had for two hundred
years for very good reasons, just for another two years
(20:04):
of being given carte blanche by the Congress. It doesn't
make sense. It feels very kind of anti the American
experiment to me.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So, and I want to get to come back to
that in just a second, cause he said something interesting
that I think you guys the Democrats could do to
maybe bolster your case. Feel free to ignore it in
the order in which it's received. We'll come back to
that in a second, though. Has Braun or is there
any scuttle button in the state House, because Braun came
on these airwaves repeatedly during the property tax debacle, debate,
whatever you want to call it, and said, basically, yeah,
(20:40):
there's no point in calling a special session. It's totally pointless.
It's totally useless. It doesn't matter. I'll just have to
sign whatever they do. Has there been any talk about
how they're going to square on his signature issue? He
said a special session was pointless, But then on this
totally partisan issue, he says, sign me up for that.
Speaker 5 (21:00):
I mean, the idea of a special session, it almost
makes it even worse, right, like people actually need property
tax relief, right, I think there's more of an argument
to have a special session to fix the mess that
was made with Senate Bill one to call a special
session instead and to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars
(21:20):
in taxpayer dollars to what get two more seats in Congress?
You know, for two years? It's it's insane.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Okay again, Mitch Score is our guest Democrat represented. A
few minutes left with him. We're talking about redistricting. What
can you guys do? Is the Democrats? I mean, obviously
the Democrats I think learned a lesson, hard lesson years
ago about leaving. It wouldn't matter now anyway, because the
super majorities. What can you guys do? Do you feel
do you feel there's a coalitionon of the willing amongst
the Republicans to say, hey, this isn't right or is
(21:51):
this a fate of complete.
Speaker 5 (21:52):
I mean, I hear from a lot of you know,
my district's very you know, we're really in the middle.
I got Beech Grove, I got the East side of Indie.
It's really interesting district. I hear from a lot of folks,
and I have a lot of Republican friends and family members,
and to them it feels gross too. And so I'm
hoping that you know, Indiana Democrats are just one in
(22:13):
a cacophony of voices that kind of reach out and say,
this is this is really terrible. This is kind of
against all those those norms that we've had for hundreds
of years and maybe altogether because practically Indiana Democrats can't
do much other than raise the issue as much as possible.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Uh.
Speaker 5 (22:32):
And then you know, come next year, maybe clabb orsome
Republicans with it in the elections.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
Are they going to manipulate just the congressional districts or
they talking about House and Senate districts too.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
I mean, the Indiana Constitution is very clear and there's
established precedent on this matter, and an AG opinion from
a few decades ago that says you cannot do a
mid decade, mid decade redistrict on the Indiana House and
Senate maps it the dicential census.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Do you think because there is some spirited debate, I've
seen it online and you know, the internet is never
wrong of course, about whether or not they can even
do And Nikki Kelly from the Indiana Capitol Chronicle was
on with us last week talking about this whether they
can even do this redistricting.
Speaker 3 (23:18):
Are you guys, the Democrats.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Are you guys going to raise those legal issues before
this is allowed to go forward?
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, of course we will. And that's the
part that kind of irks me, almost as much as
the issue itself, is the hypocrisy baked in. Right, anytime
I have a bill, because I'm the only cop in
the General Assembly, anytime I the only one, the only
currently serving. Yeah, we have some retired members. But anytime
I like when I had to address the issue of
(23:46):
machine gun switches because Indianapolis cops were getting outgunned on
the streets, right the hoops I had to jump through
because it strays kind of close to the Second Amendment.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:59):
The phrase I heard from Republicans was well, no, we
know it doesn't it doesn't actually impede upon like the
language of the Second Amendment, but it's a slippery slope. Well,
now we get to this conversation where the constitution is clear,
both the US and the Indiana Constitution. We do these
after the decential census, right, But now Republicans are like, well, technically, uh,
(24:21):
you know, we could be a little creative. And so
it's the hypocrisy that irks me. Are we are we
sticking to the black and white, are we not? Uh?
And they have no good answer because it's all about
political expediency for them.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
Do you think there's any way to stop it from happening? Well?
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Uh, you know, just like Madison warned against the tyranny
of the majority, I know some other founders talked about
watering the tree of liberty. Outside of that, I have no,
I have no. I don't know practically, Uh, in Indiana
what we can do that we have to return to
a system where there are political consequences doing things like this.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
Okay, you mentioned political consequences. What other consequences do you
see coming out of this?
Speaker 5 (25:07):
Well, I mean hopefully they'd lose in court. Uh first,
I mean yeah, I can't think of any other consequences
other than holding them accountable.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That's the problem, right, And I think that can happen
to them, is they just lose in court because they've
jerrymandered the House and Senate districts to where they can't
they can't really lose theory either.
Speaker 5 (25:25):
Well, yeah, I mean, I mean, ideally they would not
be targeting Indiana House and Senate.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
But I think they've already they currently have.
Speaker 5 (25:33):
Oh well, yeah, I mean you have that, but hey,
I mean, you know they're Democrats can break the supermajority
in the House. Uh, that's step one. Uh, you know
they do enough. Next year's midterm year. It was already
looking bad, which is why they have to do this
whole you know, mid district, mid decade redistricting thing, and
you know, maybe they get clobbered.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Hey, real quick before I let you go.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
One of the selling points that Republicans are trying to
make on this is, well, we don't want to go through
another impeachment with Trump, and if we lose the House,
well it'll be another impeachment. Should the Democrats take that
off the table by just publicly declaring, Look, this guy's
term limited, he can't run again, we're not gonna impeach him,
and just take that away from people.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah, I would. I would if I were in leadership
in the you know, in the federal Congress, I'd i'd
say something like unless it's something really you know, right
obvious in your face, and yeah, we're not gonna go
for that.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
All right, Well, good luck, because you know, I think
we've kind of taken the right The radio guy wished
me good luck, right, my life is forever better. But
I think, like I said, I think reasonable people look
at this and see it kind of for what it is.
And some people are just gonna be with, okay with
it because it helps their team. But I think you know,
if you look at what this is about, because some
day it'll happen to your side. Right if you do
(26:50):
it to their side, some day it'll happen to your side.
Your side learned that on the Supreme Court stuff right
with the judges, and so so good luck, we're all
we're all.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Counting on you. Well.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
I appreciate its seeing Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC. Okay,
so coming up at.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
By the way, it's Kenell case Show and Rob Casey's here.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
There are now lawmakers are beginning on the Republican side
to come out against this. We just had Mitch Gore,
Democrat state rep on about the redistricting plan. We've seen him. Believe,
Craig Haggard come out. Craig will be with us tomorrow.
By the way, he's as a big announcement tonight involving
his future, and so we'll have him on tomorrow and
then he's come out against it, I believe sinner. Jim
(27:32):
Thomas came out against it. Danny Lopez, this smoker this morning,
came out against it. So like, ultimately, whether they're gonna
go forward with this, I don't know. You're starting to
see some people take some positions on this. Okay, all
of that being said, coming up eleven o'clock, Doug Carter
is going to be with us. He is, of course,
we now call him a friend of the show.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
I know and strange surn of events.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
And he he was a former state police superintendent. Maybe
nobody out there knows the Delphi investigation better than him.
He is, while not interviewed directly in the Delphi documentary
on Hulu, he's all over it. And so he will
be with us coming up at eleven o'clock, talking about
the documentary, about the investigation itself. That's going to be
(28:15):
just a fascinating interview. I don't think he's done very
many long form interviews about Delphi, certainly post conviction, so
that'll be very interesting to hear what he has to say.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
Yeah, so did you see the aol as ending their
dial up service? It's still endy it.
Speaker 3 (28:29):
It still exists.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, service is going to
end September thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You're telling me in twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Are you talking about this noise? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, that's still a thing in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yeah, for some people, they they're going to discontinue their
dial up Internet. I mean, I can't even I didn't
have a landline phone anymore.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Yeah, I mean I don't even keV. Do you even
know what AOL is? Do you even? I mean your Yeah,
we had dial up until I was like ten, Oh
you did. Yeah, so even twenty years ago you had
dial up Internet.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
Were you allowed to be on the Internet? Yeah? I used.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
I tried to use YouTube, but when my grandma would call,
it always kicked me off the Internet.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Okay, so I'm sure obviously most people hearing our voice
would know what AOL was.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
But it was this the kind.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Of first mainstream version of the Internet, in which you
had to have a phone line and you would plug
your computer into this phone line and this program would
then it sounded like you were dialing a phone number,
and it would connect you to the Internet. Casey, don't
ask me how I know this. You know how long
it took to download a photo.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
A while. Yeah, originally called America Online.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
If you had a two hour win between when school
was over when your parents got home from work, you
can get through about three photos.
Speaker 2 (30:04):
I remember when it first came out and my boss
at a radio station had it, but only in his office,
so everybody would go back there and what is this
internet thing?
Speaker 1 (30:15):
And then there was some upgrade of AOL that was
a big deal. Went from certain K to another K
and that was.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
A huge and the free trial scene so that they
would send out.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
That's right, because it was a subscription based thing. It
was through your phone company. I think, right was that
if I remember that correctly, because the big thing in
your house was you had to then get a second
phone line, otherwise you couldn't be on the phone.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Or you'd be kicked off. When Kevin's grandma called.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
That's right, that's right, and the computer at the at
the same time, and I think Kevin is correct. The phone,
although I don't know. I thought if you called and
you were on the internet, it gave a busy signal.
I thought that was the deal. You would get a
busy signal because you were literally on.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
The phone, the phone. Yeah. So in twenty one, Verizon
sold AOL and Yallaho to Apollo Global Management for five
billion dollars. What year twenty one, twenty one?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Yeaho's still around.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Yes, Yahoo is still around, no kidding. AOL is now
part of Yahoo.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
But what does AOL do? How many what do people.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
Still have the AOL email?
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Well? Okay, but how are they making money on that?
Speaker 2 (31:21):
I don't believe they are.
Speaker 3 (31:23):
Well, but they.
Speaker 1 (31:23):
Paid five billion for it. But there was some way
to I mean, this is dumber to people that bought
my Space. I mean, there must be some way if
you paid five billion for something. Because the mega merger is.
Speaker 2 (31:34):
AOL a news site.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Now, one of the mega mergers on of my youth
was the AOL Time Warner merger. That was the beginning
of the end of basically both of those companies. Is
when AOL, Time Warner, the cable company, and AOL merged together.
And that I mean people correctly, I'm wrong, You're a
little more season than I am. People lost massive amounts
(31:57):
of money. Ted Turner like lost a fortune in the
AOL Time Warner merger because Time Warner he had, you know,
basic control over Time Warner and then during that merger
he was put in a corner and told goodbye Grandpa
and then lost ended up losing a fortune on that boy.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
I can't believe it's still around.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, there is an AOL dot com and they say
they're news, politics, sports mail in the latest headlines, So
that's how they're making their money. You can still get
on AOL mail.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Who's going there for their news? Though?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Who's like, you know what, there's some breaking must have information.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
I'll go to AOL.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
AOL.
Speaker 3 (32:37):
Who's working for AOL? Do they have employees?
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Do they have people that like they sign checks over
to do work on their behalf?
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I didn't even know it was still around.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
According to the picture, there's a guy working right there,
according to the picture on the internet. Yeah, what are
we doing? What's coming up next? We got to talk
about Donald Trump and the things he said about Washington
DCS today, what's going on there? And lots of good
stuff on the way with Kendall and Casey on ninety
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