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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Those are some great words to live by.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm gonna just take that and put that on a
wall somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
What words are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Somebody in the YouTube chat? That's the first thing I
saw it. I pulled up the YouTube feed today. I
would love to retire so I could spend every day
with my horse. Yes, I think that's gonna be my
goal going forward, goals my non existent horse.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'll go buy a horse. Can you get a horse?
Could you just could? Could you like have a horse
on retainer? I really don't want to deal.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
With you want horse?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What op?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Horse?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I want to what? Other people?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I just want like a horse that don't got.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
To feed or or clothe or whatever. I just want
a horse that I can go see.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
It's kind of where I am right now with like
a puppy, Like I just want the love and the cuddles.
But the responsibility part may be a little too much.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
All Right, we got a ton going on today. Ambduel's
gonna be with us later. He's got a big old
update on ai Porngate. Craig Haggard is going to be
here with us. He had a big announcement last night
and we got a lot to get to. But first
the folks, the rank and file case, they are jumping
off the ship when it comes to redistricting.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yesterday Representative Jim Lucas said that he was a hard
no on redistricting.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That I guess we got to like Lucas for today.
We gotta agree with Jim Lucas. Boy, that really puts
me in a bad spot, doesn't it. Well, Okay, so
Lucas came out he's a no Haggard who will talk
to later, he said, he's a no. Danny Lopez. Now
these are all on the House side said there's no.
I believe there's at least one senator that said there's
a no. You're starting to see And we'll get to
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this with Jim Merritt a little bit later on in
the hour because he's been through several of these redistrictings.
This is a colossal lift for the Flanders boys bray
in Houston. If you think back to when jd Vance
came to last week and the media got that quick
film of those guys walking out of that meeting, there.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Were no smiles.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They did not look like they were happy to be
there because they recognize we are asked to be political stooges. Now,
normally there are the ones asking for people to be
or demanding people be the stooge. But it's a rare
position where they are being pressured to be subservient to
something they get nothing out of.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Now you've got the Indiana House Democrats heading to Chicago
and they're holding a press conference there with the Texas Democrats.
They said that they're going to have a press conference
today at one point thirty in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, that's a you can look.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You can always count on in the Indiana Democrats to
do the dumbest thing imaginable, Like you can always count
on them to do the dumbest thing imaginable, which is
just duck and cover. In this case, I'm going to say,
the smartest thing in this case would be just duck
and cover. You don't align yourself with anyone you're going
to score political points. If the Republicans do this, you're
going to alienate and enthus a whole bunch of people
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otherwise don't normally even maybe vote. And all you gotta
do is just criticize the Indiana Republicans and point out
why it's bad. Mat thought Mitch gor did a very
nice job of that yesterday, Democrat representative, and you'll look
like the good guys, the bigger people. Instead, you're sprending
to Illinois, have you, Seno Illinois, Jerry manderd.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I mean we've talked about it. How there's that
little section in the middle of the state.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, you're going to a far left radical bastion.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And it's not even like nobody cares in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Indiana about what's going on in Texas. They care about
what's going on here. And if they had shown this
sort of enthusiasm for I don't know, property tax reform, right,
if they've shown this sort of enthusiasm for I don't know,
demanding transparency on how the super sketchy Secretary of State
to India for ten days and we won't tell anybody who
voted or who paid for it. Thing, have that enthusiasm
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for stuff that resonates with people.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Here, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And then we consider what Governor Braun said that he
was going to see how things worked out in Texas
before he was making a commitment on either side.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Whether they're going to call a special session or not.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So it almost makes you think that this is all
just a show for.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Texas well Braun, Braun. It's amazing to me that Braun
is petrified to ever make a definitive statement. You think
about the property tax thing, and if you like, you
look at that in hindsight. Sure, he rolled out a
quote unquote plan, But do you really feel like, throughout
the course of the property tax debate, looking at it
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in hindsight, that he was making definitive statements like do
you think if Ron DeSantis had been our governor the
property tax thing would have gone the way it went?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well. Ron Desantas has been on the record saying no,
I want to get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Braun is phenomenal at going through the motions on everything.
What is the thing that you say Braun really led
on it? If he was a bulldog and if he
hadn't been there, this wouldn't have got Can you think
of anything.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
If you look right now at the Braun administration, all
of his big wins have been with the.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Help of the federal government.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure, rfk Junior here for the MAHA movement, Lee Zelden
here for the energy announcement.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, but it's not for us Kadie Vance is here too.
Everything has been with the help of the.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Federal government, right, And those aren't things that are for us,
they're for the nation or promoting things that are national.
Braun is so weak. Braun is embarrassingly weak. Holcombe was
a gutless coward, but in terms of putting his boot
on people and making things happen, he was damn good
at it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Braun. Those guys somebody told me this.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yesterday, two days ago. All these days run together now,
and it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They said.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The biggest problem for Braun one I think Braun is
actually pretty weak.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's an issue.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You are who you are, but you surround yourself with
the people who are what you are. And he has
a bunch of weak people around him. Look, I'm just
going to say this out loud because it's the best
kept secret in the state House. Josh Kelly, his chief
of staff, doesn't know his head from his ass. Josh
Kelly has no business being in that position, is no
business helping run the state of Indiana. He doesn't know
what he's doing. The people they put around them don't
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know what they're doing. And Braun has been led astray
over and over and over again by people like Josh
Kelly who can't get the job done, and he gets
bad advice and he's clearly not capable of seeing through it,
and as a result, he can't ever make a definitive statement.
Just say what you want to do, if you don't
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want to do it, if you think it's bad, which
is the right answer, and you don't think that your
caucus is going to support, or if you don't think
the reward has worked the risk for your state. Look
jd Vance right in the eyd say thank you for
your trip, mister Vice President. I respect you, but I
respectfully tell you this is not right for Indiana. And
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then we're done. What are they going to do to you?
It's a super Republican state. Is Trump gonna withhold money
from you?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you have people who are in these positions because
they want to be in the position, not because they
want to do what's right. They want the title rather
than the reward of doing what's right for the people.
And thus you get well we'll see what Texas does. Yeah, well,
look at what Texas does.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Jim Lucas said he doesn't believe Republicans should stoop to
the level of Democrats on this issue. Republicans hold about
ninety percent of all local offices statewide. And you know
it's interesting. Rick Snyder even puts something out today, President
of the FOP. He said, while the Indiana Democrat state
reps are traveling to Chicago to join the Texas Democrat
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state Reps, he said, perhaps they could share how their
capital city of Indianapolis is outpacing Chicago in homicides per
capita by fifteen point eight percent.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, this is a shame, though, Casey, because this is
where you wish the Republicans gave you something to believe in,
because there are no good guys in this fight. We
said this yesterday the Democrats would do and I think
we maybe said it while Mitch Gore was in with us,
like they would do the same thing if there were
a Democrat president and the Indiana were Democrat controlled. Don't
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act like they wouldn't be trying to do the same thing.
So we're not cheering for the Democrats in the sense of, oh,
they're the good guys here. I feel so and we
I know I've said this many times, but it just
gets more and more true by the day. I feel
so politically homeless, like I do. Like there's nobody you
look at and go, man, we got to cheer for
the Republicans here because they've done so much for us,
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or you got to kind of maybe, you know, understand
where the Republicans are coming here because they've done such
a good job of governing. We all lose in this
no matter what the end result actually is, and I
think that's the most depressing part of all of this.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Let's get into the Indie budget that was released from
hog Set and also a new position that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Was created here in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh more government.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
How exciting Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, this is it for you, I mean, hopefully not forever.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But oh yeah, I'm going out of town.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, you're gonna be in You're gonna go see your daughter.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I am. I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, she's been texting me all morning. I can't wait
to see you. And I'm like, yeah, I know, hugs.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Hugs are coming. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So I have it like a super weird question. If
you don't want to answer this, it's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I probably won't.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh, go ahead, Okay, So when you've gone a period
of time without seeing a family member and you travel
to see them, yeah, and you're like, you're seemingly just
stuck around them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now do you stay with her?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Oh you stay at her place? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, how many days do you give you before you're like,
get me the heck out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I've seen enough of this person done.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So well, since it's my daughter, never but I think
like when it's other family members, it's like, you know
the old adage, because you fish, you know, three days
and then they go bad.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So yeah, because you have an obviously family that live
in Washington, d c. So like you when you go
there and what like is that it?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, okay because it's a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
All of my family right when I was growing up
lived within it, you know, a dry like you would
you would drive it, except I had an aunt who
lived in Michigan, and every year or two we would
go up and see them, and it was cool, like
the idea when you're a kid of oh it's a
road trip and they had this neat house in the
in the woods and it was cool, you know, cool
thing to do for a couple of days. But then
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as a kid, after about two days, you're like, where's
my stuff?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, I gott get away. I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You gotta get to get out of here, I gotta
I gotta go, gotta get back to my my jam.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
My older sister and I had that conversation a lot
because my mother lives in Sane Lewis and so does
my older sister, so she sees my mom on the regular.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, but she can come and go.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
She could pop over for five minutes or an hour,
a couple hours, whatever, and then she leaves and goes
back to her house. But when I visit my mom,
I'm there, and I'm there with her twenty four hours
a day.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So it's I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, that's why I'm gonna make Olivia, and if we're
blessed to have more children in the future, same thing.
I'm gonna make them stay around here because I never
want them to look forward to seeing me, because I'll
just be thoroughly disappointed at some at some point, and
I never want.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Them to be use they look forward to you too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, that would be a real bother for me if
I had to travel to see people, because I just
don't I'm like, go.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Any you don't like to travel.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, so uh okay, well that very good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well you'll you're slated to be back with this Wednesday,
Is that correct? I think Jerry Lopez is in.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Is he's trying to go for the six man award.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, he see, he's another guy who's here's the thing
about this business, like you got to have when you're
and I've been this guy because I was the filling
guy for numerous numerous years. I'm just to be the
producer and the chicks on the right before this show,
You're always.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Passionate about it. When you can leave it right, you're like,
you don't have to do it every single day.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. I never
wanted to let I never want to let it go.
And then once you have it every day, you're like,
well I can't wait for noon.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Friday yet. Yeah, careful what you wish.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Jerry Lopez does a great job, and you guys are gonna,
you know, handle things wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But we always chuckle when I see these the filling
in guys post their thing because it's I used to
be that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They're so enthusiastic, like I'm the sixth man.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Let's what you have us back together, like, oh, it's
time to go to work.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So here's the real question that I have for you. Yes,
as I'm leaving you for a few days, Yes, who's
going to be doing the template?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, that'll be me.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
See you should have Jerry do it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And you don't really know, you know, I do, I do?
How many pages was the template today?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You got to count him? One? Two, three, four.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Three, four, five six pages?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, Well, Jerry knows it'll be two max and uh
and we'll get Well, it'll be great. It's just it's
a very different environment when you are not here and
people that's people are always.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Like, hey, can Casey hurry up and get back to work.
Rob is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
When somebody told me last time I left and you
and Jerry were together that it wasn't even like the
first hour and you were you were talking about pretty
ladies and fart jokes or something like, it didn't take
you but a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, and look, Kevin is the most rotten of all
of this. Ke Kevin, every time you are gone, the
first thing he will say when he walks in is like, oh,
thank goodness, I can finally play the good bumper music because.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Casey is such No, it's not even so overpaired.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I did request a lot of Bob Seeger bumper music
today because that's good traveling music for me.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Absolutely, all right, we got to do something of relevance
here in this segment.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We were going to talk about the one point seven
billion dollar budget that was proposed by Mayor Joe hog
Set this week.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Good portion of it three.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Hundred and ninety eight million dollars slated for the Indianapolis
Police Department.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, so I'm gonna make.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It twenty million dollar increase by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Big announcement. Are you ready here? Are you ready? Breaking news? Indianapolis?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Might as well just if you live here, you might
as well just pack it up because I had a
I've had multiple conversations, but I had a conversations this
morning with someone who's very connected to city government, and
they were telling me about these Republicans who ran Michael
Paul Hart out as the minority leader on the Republican side,
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and it was a four to two vote. It was
Michael Paul Hart and Josh Bain voted for him to
be in, and then the rest of these people. And
so I talk to this person, I said, so is
it true? They were mad that Michael Paul Hart was
being too mean to hog Set, like we've ripped that. Dude,
repeated like, dude, grow a pair. You gotta be tougher
on this guy, because I heard rumors of that, and
the person told me. They said, oh yeah, two things.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
They said.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
One they thought the four Republican for the four other
Republicans thought Heart was being too mean to hawk Set
and he was making them do too much work.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I said, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
They said, well, you had all these initiatives things he
was trying to do, even if he knew they weren't
to accomplish, like we got to put stuff out for
the public. They were mad because he was bombarding them
with emails and text messages about ideas that could get
us some traction with the voters. And the four Goofs
were like, it's too much for us. This guy's moving
two quickly. We can't have that.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
We got to put some I don't want to get
anything done here.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, we got to put some boring lazy slug in
their mawory go back in there.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
It'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So, I mean, the Republicans don't even they don't even
want to fight. They don't want to challenge hog Set,
they don't want to rock any boats. Those those other
four other than Bain and Michael Paul Hart, they are
simply they're just cashing a check and getting their names
on events and going to ribbon cuttings.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like that's what they're doing. You might as well pack
it up. Indy's so done.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Here's what Joe hawk Set and vop Osiley, president of
the City County Council, had to say about the budget.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
This year's budget reflects the need for operational efficiency while
still protecting key investments in our city and its people.
The proposed budget that we present to you tonight will
continue our five year plan of over a billion dollars
in infrastructure investment.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
It's been put together prudently, ensuring that there is strong
investment in public safety, and I would say in in
strengthening our infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Boy, I bet vop Osley is a blast at the bar.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I'd like the global tr please so the IMPD chief
Chris Bailey, he publicly supports the budget personal finances.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I'm going to the Art Museum this weekend. It's going
to be a swinging time. How are you young people doing?
What's the same? You out with me? You out until
three weeks? I mean like look at I mean listen
to that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Like that is just like this is the and these
people view money at something as the answer. It's so
fascinating that they are equating positive governance with how much
money we can throw at it. You could probably police
and secure the city for much less than the mount
they're actually throwing at it. It's they're judging the value
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of what they're doing by how much of your money
they're giving to something, not the results with it. You
notice it never really gets tangibly better. They keep throwing
more money at it for the same result. If you
did that in a business, you would fire the person
running the business.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bailey said.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The budget fulfills all the labor agreements for both sworn
officers and civilian staff. It also reinforces public safety as
the top priority for the city and IMPD currently has
around three hundred officer vacancies. Yeah, the budget now moves
to committee review, with the final city County Council vote expected.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, so let's let's and I know we got to
get to a break here, but if Hogg said is
indeed running for a fourth term, which is now the
belief of many people who certainly heard him the other
night that he's skeearing up for a fourth term. And
we know the Republicans have zero chance of winning, don't
we just have to have the most fun campaign ever
and let Steven Whitmer from Indie Reporter run as the
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Republican nominee for mayor of Indianapolis with no attempt to
even win, just to burn everything to the ground. Would
that not? Would that not please the people?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You ain't gonna win anyway, It'll be entertaining.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Let's say and do all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I am starting the Indie Reporter for GOP mayor nominee
movement right now, right here today, Steven, I see you
in the YouTube chat. Will you accept the nomination if.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
If indeed it has put your way?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He said, let's go very good, all right. Jim Marret's
gonna join us.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Next.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
We're gonna get this redistricting stuff. We'll talk a little
bit about the mismanagement of AI Porngate.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We got a lot to get to.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Jim, sure the governors real Crum was telling a coherent
story on redistrict Dat does that seem to be a
general theme in our state government with the state wide
office holders of people having trouble tell telling coherent themes.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, the will stories, no question, But Robert Jim Marrett
joins us.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Now Jim Marrett, Hello, Hello, thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Okay,
So broad came out yesterday or two days ago or
whatever it was. Now, I'm told Indyan a Capital Chronicle
others reported this as well.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He is gonna wait and see what Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Does on redistrict thing and how it goes in Texas
that might help him decide he's going to do in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And we were like, you're not the governor of Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
If this is about doing the right thing, what difference
does it make what it does in Texas. You're you
are basically saying, without saying the words, this is wholly political.
I'm petrified of Trump. I don't want to piss Trump off.
And I got to see what somebody else does first.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Yeah, and Texas doesn't have a supermajority, and they have
their Democrats are off in other states, and so it
strikes me that there's really no appetite in the Indiana
General Assembly for redistricting. And I think I think the
reason being is because we when I was there in
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nineteen ninety one, two thousand and one, twenty eleven, and
what they did in twenty twenty one was all based
on data. It was based on a census. It was
and it took a complete session, meaning not a week
or two in a special session, but a total long session.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, let me pause for a second.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is it fair to say that the goal of redistrict,
so the House of Representatives does redistrict incorrect?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Well, yeah, the Indiana Senate also has their data and
they build what they think is a case of what
the what The House of Representative seats are the hundred
there and the fifty in the Indian Senate as well as.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
The But the House is the leader on that right.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Well, yes, the build uh starts in the House and
comes over the Senate for their deliberate But the.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay, so the point is, especially when you have one
party controlled government. Now, no, I know, a whole bunch
of time you were in the House and or in
the Senate, the House and Senate where there was sometimes
different there's jockeying, yes, sure, but especially when you have
one party rule the is it safe to say the
goal is to make it as much in favor of
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your side, but yet past legal.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Scrutiny exactly is that? Okay?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And there are factors out there, you know, the the
age old term of one man when vote, and and
and you have to have a certain percentage of individual
in that in that district. And and there's a lot
of guidelines in this redraw of the district every ten
ten years. It's not just about population movement. But but uh,
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you just have to have these factors that are included, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So I asked that because it's safe to say that
the maps as they currently exist, which gave you seven
Republicans and two Democrats, are already in the confines of
the law rigged.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
In your favor. It's a map that's already favors the Republicans, and.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
It also passed the courts, right, and so that that's
really the issue is is something is is a map,
if you will, something that a court would approve, because
there will be there's usually, if not every time, there
are lawsuits about how fair these these these these seem in.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Front of the Supreme Court all the time. These state
maps they take years to get there and get adjudicated.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Absolutely, and and uh and and and I've seen the
process in those redraws. We try to be as fair
as possible. And if you look at the district I
represent it for thirty years, the population moved towards Fishers,
and mine was in north when I started nineteen ninety one.
My district started that included Fishers, but within you know,
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when they redrew my district in nineteen eighty one, it
wasn't my district. In eighty one, it had Fishers in it,
and it had three precincts in Fishers. By when they
redrew it, when I was in there nineteen ninety one,
it had very little Fishers in because the population exploded
in Fishers. So what people that redraw They have factors
(23:42):
that have to have population as well as one man,
one vote.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bron's got a big problem here because he publicly said
on these airwaves and others, well, special sessions a giant
waste of time.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
On property taxes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, sure, I could fight for you guys, but you know,
vto all especially, that's a waste of time. The public
looks at this and goes, you rotten son of a
You know what you're you're you're exploring this to the
ends of the earth. But you were just totally dismissive
of something that would help us. This is totally political.
Mitch Gore was on with us yesterday Democrats state, but
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he said they're not even trying to lie or spin
it like they are in Texas about population this or that.
He's like, it's totally and people look at this and go,
this is why everyone hates politics and government.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You won't help us, but you would help your party.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Let's go back a little bit in time when we
when when the legislature I wasn't there had a special
session regarding life, the right to life, and the base
was behind the Republican Party when they wanted to change
the abortion laws in the state. And and when you
have the base behind.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You, you do it.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
If if if, if there's if there's enough data there
and the base is not behind this move. The base
is on vacation right now in the Republican Party. They
have it, they're not they're not telling the legislature. When
when a senator or a representative goes to the grocery store.
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They're not being they're not being told. I want you
to go into special session to change the districts because
the sport is not there.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Jim Merritt is our guest. You know him from thirty
years in the Indiana Senate. Real quick.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I did want to just get your thoughts on because
you were the former chairman of the Marian County Republican
Party in Indiana. You ran for mayor of Indianapolis, and
the Republican Party, as we talked about yesterday, gets a
becomes a bigger dumpster fire by the day. And now
they've ousted Michael Paul Hart. I've talked to multiple people
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inside city government, and the Republicans, all six of them
on the City Council of twenty five basically ousted Michael
Paul Hart because four of them, everyone but Michael Ballhart
and Josh Bain, were mad that Heart was being too
mean to hawk Set and was trying to make the
Republicans do too much stuff too fast. And you look
at this and just go Publican party. Marrick Anybis will
(26:12):
just fold it up right. There's no point in voting
for any of these people, you.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Know, And it's really disappointing. I also chaired our caucus
for sixteen years and on the other side of Market Street,
where where you know, the pro tem and the caucus
chairman were always on the same page.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
But we knew.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Where our caucus was. Republicans in the Indiana Senate, and
you never heard anything coming out of our caucus about
the disdain or the dislike for the leader because you
knew exactly where your members were, and we always were
in the majority. But this is the idea of replacing
your leader because you have six out of twenty five
(26:53):
seats that means it's nineteen to six on every vote,
is silly. I mean, it was just it's an enforced air.
It's embarrassing. I I talked to I talked to one
of the members of their their miniature caucus and and
they were embarrassed, and it just it just makes us
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look terrible as Republicans.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, before we let you go, this is the story
that won't go away, largely because of the actions of
the officeholder and and the way this office is handling this.
You were a part of numerous scandals, both the legend
ed confirmed in your years in the Indiana State House.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
I presided over not involved.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, no, no, I mean like you. I mean you were there, right,
I was there. I witnessed that you were watching this right.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And Abdul is going to join us here in a
little bit. He's got some breaking news on ai Porngate.
But Micah beck With is handling this horribly by refusing
to release any information about this alleged one day weekend investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He did that.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He blames clears as guys and given Beckwist repeated problems
with the truth in the past or telling coherent stories
or consistent stories.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
In the past. People.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Now that is one of the biggest red flags. You
supposedly have this investigation that cleared your guys who are
not only you know workers in your office, but they're
also some of your best friends and biggest supporters. And
for thirteen days now you're just sitting on this info
that would send these guys in the clear.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, you're not.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
They have they have disrupt they have erupted in their
ability in crisis communication. Crisis communication is you get all
the information out, you find uh if this actually happened,
because no one that I know has seen the video.
You get the information out, You find the people that actually,
(28:48):
if somebody did uh laugh and view these videos, you
make you make that public. You you stamp it out
right away, or you you make correction and it's over.
Now it's thirteen days and people keep talking about it,
and they just they ruined the idea of crisis communication.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, here's what we want to know, because now people
have made me public enemy number one and that's silly.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, it is a lot of issues you are, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I mean it's like I told somebody this yesterday who
was barking at me about this.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay, so you're led to believe.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That I'm a puppet master of freelance journalist in Maryland,
the Indie Star, Capitol Chronicle, Abdul, the Marion County Prosecutor's office.
And now this alleged grand jury that, according to Michael
beck With chiefs of Staff's husband, he appeared to say,
exists like I'm orchestrating all of this.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't have anything to do with any of this.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Too much fire behind this smoke, and they just batten
down the hatches and anybody that's unhappy that this is
festering can only look at themselves in that office.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What should beckwith do in regards to this investigation. What
if he has the proof right you have, like I said,
as a member of the Senate, you were the number
two guy in the Senate for many many years.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What should he do? Well?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
The animals are running the farm right now. And what
you should do as lieutenant governor you need to sit
down with a Speaker of the House and the President
of the Senate and and and say this is what
happened and let them let them give you cover or
let let them expose it and take care of it immediately.
(30:32):
If their heads need to be year old, roll them.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Jim Merritt you can find him on Twitter at Jim Underscore,
Meret Underline, Merit whatever you prefer, and the Merit in
the Morning podcast Fight on YouTube as well as Facebook.
Thank you, Robert. It's Kenell a Casey Show ninety three WIBC.
So where are we at with there being a fight
on the lawn at the White House?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know, I was thinking about that, and there's going
to be this UFC five. It's going to be held
at the White House on July fourth, twenty twenty six,
and it is to celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday,
This says been confirmed by the UFC CEO Danel.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Why wait, wait wait, so nothing says America now like
watching two guys beat the heck out of each other.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Right, So that's where I was going.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
How does that help you celebrate America's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, it does.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
That's just pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Look, if we're gonna have a fight, let two people
have a duel on the lawn at the white Let's
go all old school. If we're going to celebrate two
hundred and fifty years ago, let's do it the way
they did it two hundred and fifty years ago, which is,
you know, eight paces turn fire. Let's I mean, if
we're gonna do it, let's go it. This is like
one of the things that we because anytime on this
program you say anything that's remotely critical of Trump, people
(31:46):
just get mad. But whatever, there is a level of
seriousness to governance in order to accomplish things that I
don't think Trump always appreciates. And this is the sort
of thing that people are gonna look at and they're
gonna say that doesn't really seem like a serious person,
(32:08):
Like I've always said the Supreme Court. The fact that
the Supreme Court is open to me, Like, I'm torn
on this because on one hand, you do want transparency, but
you do sort of like the dignified idea of the
Supreme Court, like that they were these high up people
who lived in lives of seclusion and only came out
(32:28):
of their holes. They're like Pasatani phil right, they came
out of their hole to to rule on legal matters
and then that's it. And now they go give speeches
and write books and all of that stuff. And it's like, Eh,
I don't know if I wanted to see that. I
sort of feel like that, like the presidency, like I
want somebody who's gonna do a good job. I want
somebody who's going to accomplish things, but I also want
(32:51):
somebody who understands sort of the magnitude like when those
old dead guys on those portraits are staring back at you,
fully appreciates what that is.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Magnitude, the magnitude of it, right, And.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just I think things like this come off as unserious,
and I think the home of our nation's president should
be more than just a UFC fight.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
So Dana White apparently is discussing all the plans. He's
meeting with Trump and Ivanka Trump apparently she is directly
involved in the planning and they're preparing some venue renderings
for review, Like where.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
This is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Is it going to be on the eclipse or you know,
the garden the new patio, Like where are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well? What does this accomplish? Is my question? Like what
are we doing by doing this? Are we saying?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And okay, if we are, but it's unclear what message
we're sending, Like, Okay, this is America now.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
A UFC fight on the lawn is yes.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Matt Matt our boss said that Bill Clinton, you know,
stayed in the White House when he did the thing
in the White House. But it doesn't mean we can't
get it back. I love you, Matt, but can't we
get it back right? I mean, can't we re establish
some sort of like decency order, Like can't we go
back that? See, this is what Biden was supposed to be.
I know this sounds crazy, but I think in a
(34:19):
lot of people's minds they didn't even fathom that Biden
had lost his marbles or was going to be controlled
by radical leftists. They thought Biden was going to restore
some semblance of normalcy.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Who's they The people who voted for him thought, yeah,
that guy would bring dignity.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, see this is a true story. There was a
kid here, he used to produce on the weekends. He
was in his early twenties, was a Republican voter. I
asked him one night when I was doing the weekend show,
who you're voting for? And he goes, I don't know.
I said, how could you not know? He goes, I
like a lot of the things Trump has done. I
hate the way he's handled the Oval office, and I
just think, I think there's you and I can think
that's as crazy as whatever, but there's a lot of
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people out there who vote that way, and I just
think this feeds that anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Craig Haggard, he's got a big announcement, made a big
announcement yesterday.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's gonna be with us to talk about it. Coming
up next year.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Those are some great words to live by.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm gonna just take that and put that on a
wall somewhere.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
What words are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Somebody in the YouTube chat? That's the first thing I
saw it. I pulled up the YouTube feed today. I
would love to retire so I could spend every day
with my horse. Yes, I think that's gonna be my
goal going forward, goals my non existent horse.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
I'll go buy a horse. Can you get a horse?
Could you just could? Could you like have a horse
on retainer? I really don't want to deal.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
With you want horse?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
What op?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Horse?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I want to what? Other people?
Speaker 4 (00:38):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
I just want like a horse that don't got.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
To feed or or clothe or whatever. I just want
a horse that I can go see.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
It's kind of where I am right now with like
a puppy, Like I just want the love and the cuddles.
But the responsibility part may be a little too much.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
All Right, we got a ton going on today. Ambduel's
gonna be with us later. He's got a big old
update on ai Porngate. Craig Haggard is going to be
here with us. He had a big announcement last night
and we got a lot to get to. But first
the folks, the rank and file case, they are jumping
off the ship when it comes to redistricting.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 4 (01:15):
Yesterday Representative Jim Lucas said that he was a hard
no on redistricting.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
That I guess we got to like Lucas for today.
We gotta agree with Jim Lucas. Boy, that really puts
me in a bad spot, doesn't it. Well, Okay, so
Lucas came out he's a no Haggard who will talk
to later, he said, he's a no. Danny Lopez. Now
these are all on the House side said there's no.
I believe there's at least one senator that said there's
a no. You're starting to see And we'll get to
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this with Jim Merritt a little bit later on in
the hour because he's been through several of these redistrictings.
This is a colossal lift for the Flanders boys bray
in Houston. If you think back to when jd Vance
came to last week and the media got that quick
film of those guys walking out of that meeting, there.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Were no smiles.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
They did not look like they were happy to be
there because they recognize we are asked to be political stooges. Now,
normally there are the ones asking for people to be
or demanding people be the stooge. But it's a rare
position where they are being pressured to be subservient to
something they get nothing out of.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
It's it's interesting.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
Now you've got the Indiana House Democrats heading to Chicago
and they're holding a press conference there with the Texas Democrats.
They said that they're going to have a press conference
today at one point thirty in Chicago.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Yeah, that's a you can look.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
You can always count on in the Indiana Democrats to
do the dumbest thing imaginable, Like you can always count
on them to do the dumbest thing imaginable, which is
just duck and cover. In this case, I'm going to say,
the smartest thing in this case would be just duck
and cover. You don't align yourself with anyone you're going
to score political points. If the Republicans do this, you're
going to alienate and enthus a whole bunch of people
(03:06):
otherwise don't normally even maybe vote. And all you gotta
do is just criticize the Indiana Republicans and point out
why it's bad. Mat thought Mitch gor did a very
nice job of that yesterday, Democrat representative, and you'll look
like the good guys, the bigger people. Instead, you're sprending
to Illinois, have you, Seno Illinois, Jerry manderd.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
Yeah, I mean we've talked about it. How there's that
little section in the middle of the state.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, you're going to a far left radical bastion.
Speaker 1 (03:41):
And it's not even like nobody cares in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Indiana about what's going on in Texas. They care about
what's going on here. And if they had shown this
sort of enthusiasm for I don't know, property tax reform, right,
if they've shown this sort of enthusiasm for I don't know,
demanding transparency on how the super sketchy Secretary of State
to India for ten days and we won't tell anybody who
voted or who paid for it. Thing, have that enthusiasm
(04:06):
for stuff that resonates with people.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Here, Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
And then we consider what Governor Braun said that he
was going to see how things worked out in Texas
before he was making a commitment on either side.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Whether they're going to call a special session or not.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
So it almost makes you think that this is all
just a show for.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Texas well Braun, Braun. It's amazing to me that Braun
is petrified to ever make a definitive statement. You think
about the property tax thing, and if you like, you
look at that in hindsight. Sure, he rolled out a
quote unquote plan, But do you really feel like, throughout
the course of the property tax debate, looking at it
(04:50):
in hindsight, that he was making definitive statements like do
you think if Ron DeSantis had been our governor the
property tax thing would have gone the way it went?
Speaker 1 (04:58):
No, of course not.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Well. Ron Desantas has been on the record saying no,
I want to get rid of him.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Braun is phenomenal at going through the motions on everything.
What is the thing that you say Braun really led
on it? If he was a bulldog and if he
hadn't been there, this wouldn't have got Can you think
of anything.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
If you look right now at the Braun administration, all
of his big wins have been with the.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Help of the federal government.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Sure, rfk Junior here for the MAHA movement, Lee Zelden
here for the energy announcement.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Yeah, but it's not for us Kadie Vance is here too.
Everything has been with the help of the.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Federal government, right, And those aren't things that are for us,
they're for the nation or promoting things that are national.
Braun is so weak. Braun is embarrassingly weak. Holcombe was
a gutless coward, but in terms of putting his boot
on people and making things happen, he was damn good
at it.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Braun. Those guys somebody told me this.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Yesterday, two days ago. All these days run together now,
and it's absolutely true.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They said.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
The biggest problem for Braun one I think Braun is
actually pretty weak.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
That's an issue.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You are who you are, but you surround yourself with
the people who are what you are. And he has
a bunch of weak people around him. Look, I'm just
going to say this out loud because it's the best
kept secret in the state House. Josh Kelly, his chief
of staff, doesn't know his head from his ass. Josh
Kelly has no business being in that position, is no
business helping run the state of Indiana. He doesn't know
what he's doing. The people they put around them don't
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know what they're doing. And Braun has been led astray
over and over and over again by people like Josh
Kelly who can't get the job done, and he gets
bad advice and he's clearly not capable of seeing through it,
and as a result, he can't ever make a definitive statement.
Just say what you want to do, if you don't
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want to do it, if you think it's bad, which
is the right answer, and you don't think that your
caucus is going to support, or if you don't think
the reward has worked the risk for your state. Look
jd Vance right in the eyd say thank you for
your trip, mister Vice President. I respect you, but I
respectfully tell you this is not right for Indiana. And
(07:12):
then we're done. What are they going to do to you?
It's a super Republican state. Is Trump gonna withhold money
from you?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
No, of course not.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But you have people who are in these positions because
they want to be in the position, not because they
want to do what's right. They want the title rather
than the reward of doing what's right for the people.
And thus you get well we'll see what Texas does. Yeah, well,
look at what Texas does.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
Jim Lucas said he doesn't believe Republicans should stoop to
the level of Democrats on this issue. Republicans hold about
ninety percent of all local offices statewide. And you know
it's interesting. Rick Snyder even puts something out today, President
of the FOP. He said, while the Indiana Democrat state
reps are traveling to Chicago to join the Texas Democrat
(07:57):
state Reps, he said, perhaps they could share how their
capital city of Indianapolis is outpacing Chicago in homicides per
capita by fifteen point eight percent.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Yeah, this is a shame, though, Casey, because this is
where you wish the Republicans gave you something to believe in,
because there are no good guys in this fight. We
said this yesterday the Democrats would do and I think
we maybe said it while Mitch Gore was in with us,
like they would do the same thing if there were
a Democrat president and the Indiana were Democrat controlled. Don't
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act like they wouldn't be trying to do the same thing.
So we're not cheering for the Democrats in the sense of, oh,
they're the good guys here. I feel so and we
I know I've said this many times, but it just
gets more and more true by the day. I feel
so politically homeless, like I do. Like there's nobody you
look at and go, man, we got to cheer for
the Republicans here because they've done so much for us,
(08:49):
or you got to kind of maybe, you know, understand
where the Republicans are coming here because they've done such
a good job of governing. We all lose in this
no matter what the end result actually is, and I
think that's the most depressing part of all of this.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Let's get into the Indie budget that was released from
hog Set and also a new position that.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Was created here in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Oh more government.
Speaker 4 (09:12):
How exciting Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Well, this is it for you, I mean, hopefully not forever.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
But oh yeah, I'm going out of town.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, you're gonna be in You're gonna go see your daughter.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I am. I can't wait.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Yeah, she's been texting me all morning. I can't wait
to see you. And I'm like, yeah, I know, hugs.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Hugs are coming. Okay.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
So I have it like a super weird question. If
you don't want to answer this, it's totally fine.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
I probably won't.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Oh, go ahead, Okay, So when you've gone a period
of time without seeing a family member and you travel
to see them, yeah, and you're like, you're seemingly just
stuck around them.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Now do you stay with her?
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Oh you stay at her place? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Okay, how many days do you give you before you're like,
get me the heck out of here.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
I've seen enough of this person done.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
So well, since it's my daughter, never but I think
like when it's other family members, it's like, you know
the old adage, because you fish, you know, three days
and then they go bad.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
So yeah, because you have an obviously family that live
in Washington, d c. So like you when you go
there and what like is that it?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, okay because it's a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
All of my family right when I was growing up
lived within it, you know, a dry like you would
you would drive it, except I had an aunt who
lived in Michigan, and every year or two we would
go up and see them, and it was cool, like
the idea when you're a kid of oh it's a
road trip and they had this neat house in the
in the woods and it was cool, you know, cool
thing to do for a couple of days. But then
(10:45):
as a kid, after about two days, you're like, where's
my stuff?
Speaker 1 (10:50):
Right, I gott get away. I gotta go.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
You gotta get to get out of here, I gotta
I gotta go, gotta get back to my my jam.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
My older sister and I had that conversation a lot
because my mother lives in Sane Lewis and so does
my older sister, so she sees my mom on the regular.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, but she can come and go.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
She could pop over for five minutes or an hour,
a couple hours, whatever, and then she leaves and goes
back to her house. But when I visit my mom,
I'm there, and I'm there with her twenty four hours
a day.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
So it's I know what you mean.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Yeah, that's why I'm gonna make Olivia, and if we're
blessed to have more children in the future, same thing.
I'm gonna make them stay around here because I never
want them to look forward to seeing me, because I'll
just be thoroughly disappointed at some at some point, and
I never want.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Them to be use they look forward to you too.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah, that would be a real bother for me if
I had to travel to see people, because I just
don't I'm like, go.
Speaker 3 (11:40):
Any you don't like to travel.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, so uh okay, well that very good.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
Well you'll you're slated to be back with this Wednesday,
Is that correct? I think Jerry Lopez is in.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Is he's trying to go for the six man award.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Yeah, he see, he's another guy who's here's the thing
about this business, like you got to have when you're
and I've been this guy because I was the filling
guy for numerous numerous years. I'm just to be the
producer and the chicks on the right before this show,
You're always.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Passionate about it. When you can leave it right, you're like,
you don't have to do it every single day.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
You're like, oh, this is gonna be awesome. I never
wanted to let I never want to let it go.
And then once you have it every day, you're like,
well I can't wait for noon.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Friday yet. Yeah, careful what you wish.
Speaker 4 (12:25):
Jerry Lopez does a great job, and you guys are gonna,
you know, handle things wonderful.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But we always chuckle when I see these the filling
in guys post their thing because it's I used to
be that.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
They're so enthusiastic, like I'm the sixth man.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Let's what you have us back together, like, oh, it's
time to go to work.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
So here's the real question that I have for you. Yes,
as I'm leaving you for a few days, Yes, who's
going to be doing the template?
Speaker 1 (12:50):
Well, that'll be me.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
See you should have Jerry do it.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
And you don't really know, you know, I do, I do?
How many pages was the template today?
Speaker 3 (13:00):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
You got to count him? One? Two, three, four.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Three, four, five six pages?
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Okay, Well, Jerry knows it'll be two max and uh
and we'll get Well, it'll be great. It's just it's
a very different environment when you are not here and
people that's people are always.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Like, hey, can Casey hurry up and get back to work.
Rob is a disaster.
Speaker 4 (13:24):
When somebody told me last time I left and you
and Jerry were together that it wasn't even like the
first hour and you were you were talking about pretty
ladies and fart jokes or something like, it didn't take
you but a minute.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Well, and look, Kevin is the most rotten of all
of this. Ke Kevin, every time you are gone, the
first thing he will say when he walks in is like, oh,
thank goodness, I can finally play the good bumper music because.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
Casey is such No, it's not even so overpaired.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
I did request a lot of Bob Seeger bumper music
today because that's good traveling music for me.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
Absolutely, all right, we got to do something of relevance
here in this segment.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
We were going to talk about the one point seven
billion dollar budget that was proposed by Mayor Joe hog
Set this week.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Good portion of it three.
Speaker 4 (14:06):
Hundred and ninety eight million dollars slated for the Indianapolis
Police Department.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Okay, so I'm gonna make.
Speaker 3 (14:13):
It twenty million dollar increase by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Big announcement. Are you ready here? Are you ready? Breaking news? Indianapolis?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Might as well just if you live here, you might
as well just pack it up because I had a
I've had multiple conversations, but I had a conversations this
morning with someone who's very connected to city government, and
they were telling me about these Republicans who ran Michael
Paul Hart out as the minority leader on the Republican side,
(14:40):
and it was a four to two vote. It was
Michael Paul Hart and Josh Bain voted for him to
be in, and then the rest of these people. And
so I talk to this person, I said, so is
it true? They were mad that Michael Paul Hart was
being too mean to hog Set, like we've ripped that. Dude,
repeated like, dude, grow a pair. You gotta be tougher
on this guy, because I heard rumors of that, and
the person told me. They said, oh yeah, two things.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
They said.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
One they thought the four Republican for the four other
Republicans thought Heart was being too mean to hawk Set
and he was making them do too much work.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I said, what do you mean?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
They said, well, you had all these initiatives things he
was trying to do, even if he knew they weren't
to accomplish, like we got to put stuff out for
the public. They were mad because he was bombarding them
with emails and text messages about ideas that could get
us some traction with the voters. And the four Goofs
were like, it's too much for us. This guy's moving
two quickly. We can't have that.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
We got to put some I don't want to get
anything done here.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, we got to put some boring lazy slug in
their mawory go back in there.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
It'll be fine.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So, I mean, the Republicans don't even they don't even
want to fight. They don't want to challenge hog Set,
they don't want to rock any boats. Those those other
four other than Bain and Michael Paul Hart, they are
simply they're just cashing a check and getting their names
on events and going to ribbon cuttings.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
Like that's what they're doing. You might as well pack
it up. Indy's so done.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
Here's what Joe hawk Set and vop Osiley, president of
the City County Council, had to say about the budget.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
This year's budget reflects the need for operational efficiency while
still protecting key investments in our city and its people.
The proposed budget that we present to you tonight will
continue our five year plan of over a billion dollars
in infrastructure investment.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
It's been put together prudently, ensuring that there is strong
investment in public safety, and I would say in in
strengthening our infrastructure.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
Boy, I bet vop Osley is a blast at the bar.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
I'd like the global tr please so the IMPD chief
Chris Bailey, he publicly supports the budget personal finances.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
I'm going to the Art Museum this weekend. It's going
to be a swinging time. How are you young people doing?
What's the same? You out with me? You out until
three weeks? I mean like look at I mean listen
to that.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
Like that is just like this is the and these
people view money at something as the answer. It's so
fascinating that they are equating positive governance with how much
money we can throw at it. You could probably police
and secure the city for much less than the mount
they're actually throwing at it. It's they're judging the value
(17:28):
of what they're doing by how much of your money
they're giving to something, not the results with it. You
notice it never really gets tangibly better. They keep throwing
more money at it for the same result. If you
did that in a business, you would fire the person
running the business.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Bailey said.
Speaker 4 (17:45):
The budget fulfills all the labor agreements for both sworn
officers and civilian staff. It also reinforces public safety as
the top priority for the city and IMPD currently has
around three hundred officer vacancies. Yeah, the budget now moves
to committee review, with the final city County Council vote expected.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, so let's let's and I know we got to
get to a break here, but if Hogg said is
indeed running for a fourth term, which is now the
belief of many people who certainly heard him the other
night that he's skeearing up for a fourth term. And
we know the Republicans have zero chance of winning, don't
we just have to have the most fun campaign ever
and let Steven Whitmer from Indie Reporter run as the
(18:26):
Republican nominee for mayor of Indianapolis with no attempt to
even win, just to burn everything to the ground. Would
that not? Would that not please the people?
Speaker 3 (18:36):
You ain't gonna win anyway, It'll be entertaining.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Let's say and do all the things.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I am starting the Indie Reporter for GOP mayor nominee
movement right now, right here today, Steven, I see you
in the YouTube chat. Will you accept the nomination if.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
If indeed it has put your way?
Speaker 5 (18:55):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (18:56):
He said, let's go very good, all right. Jim Marret's
gonna join us.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Next.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
We're gonna get this redistricting stuff. We'll talk a little
bit about the mismanagement of AI Porngate.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
We got a lot to get to.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WYBC.
Speaker 7 (19:14):
Jim, sure the governors real Crum was telling a coherent
story on redistrict Dat does that seem to be a
general theme in our state government with the state wide
office holders of people having trouble tell telling coherent themes.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah, the will stories, no question, But Robert Jim Marrett
joins us.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
Now Jim Marrett, Hello, Hello, thirty years in the Indiana Senate. Okay,
So broad came out yesterday or two days ago or
whatever it was. Now, I'm told Indyan a Capital Chronicle
others reported this as well.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
He is gonna wait and see what Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Does on redistrict thing and how it goes in Texas
that might help him decide he's going to do in Indiana.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
And we were like, you're not the governor of Texas.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
If this is about doing the right thing, what difference
does it make what it does in Texas. You're you
are basically saying, without saying the words, this is wholly political.
I'm petrified of Trump. I don't want to piss Trump off.
And I got to see what somebody else does first.
Speaker 8 (20:08):
Yeah, and Texas doesn't have a supermajority, and they have
their Democrats are off in other states, and so it
strikes me that there's really no appetite in the Indiana
General Assembly for redistricting. And I think I think the
reason being is because we when I was there in
(20:30):
nineteen ninety one, two thousand and one, twenty eleven, and
what they did in twenty twenty one was all based
on data. It was based on a census. It was
and it took a complete session, meaning not a week
or two in a special session, but a total long session.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, let me pause for a second.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Is it fair to say that the goal of redistrict,
so the House of Representatives does redistrict incorrect?
Speaker 8 (20:58):
Well, yeah, the Indiana Senate also has their data and
they build what they think is a case of what
the what The House of Representative seats are the hundred
there and the fifty in the Indian Senate as well as.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
The But the House is the leader on that right.
Speaker 8 (21:16):
Well, yes, the build uh starts in the House and
comes over the Senate for their deliberate But the.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Okay, so the point is, especially when you have one
party controlled government. Now, no, I know, a whole bunch
of time you were in the House and or in
the Senate, the House and Senate where there was sometimes
different there's jockeying, yes, sure, but especially when you have
one party rule the is it safe to say the
goal is to make it as much in favor of
(21:44):
your side, but yet past legal.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Scrutiny exactly is that? Okay?
Speaker 8 (21:48):
And there are factors out there, you know, the the
age old term of one man when vote, and and
and you have to have a certain percentage of individual
in that in that district. And and there's a lot
of guidelines in this redraw of the district every ten
ten years. It's not just about population movement. But but uh,
(22:11):
you just have to have these factors that are included, Okay.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
So I asked that because it's safe to say that
the maps as they currently exist, which gave you seven
Republicans and two Democrats, are already in the confines of
the law rigged.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
In your favor. It's a map that's already favors the Republicans, and.
Speaker 8 (22:31):
It also passed the courts, right, and so that that's
really the issue is is something is is a map,
if you will, something that a court would approve, because
there will be there's usually, if not every time, there
are lawsuits about how fair these these these these seem in.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Front of the Supreme Court all the time. These state
maps they take years to get there and get adjudicated.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Absolutely, and and uh and and and I've seen the
process in those redraws. We try to be as fair
as possible. And if you look at the district I
represent it for thirty years, the population moved towards Fishers,
and mine was in north when I started nineteen ninety one.
My district started that included Fishers, but within you know,
(23:21):
when they redrew my district in nineteen eighty one, it
wasn't my district. In eighty one, it had Fishers in it,
and it had three precincts in Fishers. By when they
redrew it, when I was in there nineteen ninety one,
it had very little Fishers in because the population exploded
in Fishers. So what people that redraw They have factors
(23:42):
that have to have population as well as one man,
one vote.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Bron's got a big problem here because he publicly said
on these airwaves and others, well, special sessions a giant
waste of time.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
On property taxes.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Yeah, sure, I could fight for you guys, but you know,
vto all especially, that's a waste of time. The public
looks at this and goes, you rotten son of a
You know what you're you're you're exploring this to the
ends of the earth. But you were just totally dismissive
of something that would help us. This is totally political.
Mitch Gore was on with us yesterday Democrats state, but
(24:18):
he said they're not even trying to lie or spin
it like they are in Texas about population this or that.
He's like, it's totally and people look at this and go,
this is why everyone hates politics and government.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
You won't help us, but you would help your party.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
Let's go back a little bit in time when we
when when the legislature I wasn't there had a special
session regarding life, the right to life, and the base
was behind the Republican Party when they wanted to change
the abortion laws in the state. And and when you
have the base behind.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You, you do it.
Speaker 8 (24:54):
If if if, if there's if there's enough data there
and the base is not behind this move. The base
is on vacation right now in the Republican Party. They
have it, they're not they're not telling the legislature. When
when a senator or a representative goes to the grocery store.
(25:15):
They're not being they're not being told. I want you
to go into special session to change the districts because
the sport is not there.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Jim Merritt is our guest. You know him from thirty
years in the Indiana Senate. Real quick.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
I did want to just get your thoughts on because
you were the former chairman of the Marian County Republican
Party in Indiana. You ran for mayor of Indianapolis, and
the Republican Party, as we talked about yesterday, gets a
becomes a bigger dumpster fire by the day. And now
they've ousted Michael Paul Hart. I've talked to multiple people
(25:49):
inside city government, and the Republicans, all six of them
on the City Council of twenty five basically ousted Michael
Paul Hart because four of them, everyone but Michael Ballhart
and Josh Bain, were mad that Heart was being too
mean to hawk Set and was trying to make the
Republicans do too much stuff too fast. And you look
at this and just go Publican party. Marrick Anybis will
(26:12):
just fold it up right. There's no point in voting
for any of these people, you.
Speaker 8 (26:15):
Know, And it's really disappointing. I also chaired our caucus
for sixteen years and on the other side of Market Street,
where where you know, the pro tem and the caucus
chairman were always on the same page.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
But we knew.
Speaker 8 (26:32):
Where our caucus was. Republicans in the Indiana Senate, and
you never heard anything coming out of our caucus about
the disdain or the dislike for the leader because you
knew exactly where your members were, and we always were
in the majority. But this is the idea of replacing
your leader because you have six out of twenty five
(26:53):
seats that means it's nineteen to six on every vote,
is silly. I mean, it was just it's an enforced air.
It's embarrassing. I I talked to I talked to one
of the members of their their miniature caucus and and
they were embarrassed, and it just it just makes us
(27:15):
look terrible as Republicans.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Okay, before we let you go, this is the story
that won't go away, largely because of the actions of
the officeholder and and the way this office is handling this.
You were a part of numerous scandals, both the legend
ed confirmed in your years in the Indiana State House.
Speaker 8 (27:34):
I presided over not involved.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
No, no, no, I mean like you. I mean you were there, right,
I was there. I witnessed that you were watching this right.
Speaker 7 (27:41):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And Abdul is going to join us here in a
little bit. He's got some breaking news on ai Porngate.
But Micah beck With is handling this horribly by refusing
to release any information about this alleged one day weekend investigation.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
He did that.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
He blames clears as guys and given Beckwist repeated problems
with the truth in the past or telling coherent stories
or consistent stories.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
In the past. People.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Now that is one of the biggest red flags. You
supposedly have this investigation that cleared your guys who are
not only you know workers in your office, but they're
also some of your best friends and biggest supporters. And
for thirteen days now you're just sitting on this info
that would send these guys in the clear.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
No, you're not.
Speaker 8 (28:27):
They have they have disrupt they have erupted in their
ability in crisis communication. Crisis communication is you get all
the information out, you find uh if this actually happened,
because no one that I know has seen the video.
You get the information out, You find the people that actually,
(28:48):
if somebody did uh laugh and view these videos, you
make you make that public. You you stamp it out
right away, or you you make correction and it's over.
Now it's thirteen days and people keep talking about it,
and they just they ruined the idea of crisis communication.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Yeah, here's what we want to know, because now people
have made me public enemy number one and that's silly.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Well, it is a lot of issues you are, well, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:18):
I mean it's like I told somebody this yesterday who
was barking at me about this.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Okay, so you're led to believe.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
That I'm a puppet master of freelance journalist in Maryland,
the Indie Star, Capitol Chronicle, Abdul, the Marion County Prosecutor's office.
And now this alleged grand jury that, according to Michael
beck With chiefs of Staff's husband, he appeared to say,
exists like I'm orchestrating all of this.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
I don't have anything to do with any of this.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Too much fire behind this smoke, and they just batten
down the hatches and anybody that's unhappy that this is
festering can only look at themselves in that office.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
What should beckwith do in regards to this investigation. What
if he has the proof right you have, like I said,
as a member of the Senate, you were the number
two guy in the Senate for many many years.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
What should he do? Well?
Speaker 8 (30:11):
The animals are running the farm right now. And what
you should do as lieutenant governor you need to sit
down with a Speaker of the House and the President
of the Senate and and and say this is what
happened and let them let them give you cover or
let let them expose it and take care of it immediately.
(30:32):
If their heads need to be year old, roll them.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Jim Merritt you can find him on Twitter at Jim Underscore,
Meret Underline, Merit whatever you prefer, and the Merit in
the Morning podcast Fight on YouTube as well as Facebook.
Thank you, Robert. It's Kenell a Casey Show ninety three WIBC.
So where are we at with there being a fight
on the lawn at the White House?
Speaker 4 (30:56):
You know, I was thinking about that, and there's going
to be this UFC five. It's going to be held
at the White House on July fourth, twenty twenty six,
and it is to celebrate America's two hundred and fiftieth birthday,
This says been confirmed by the UFC CEO Danel.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Why wait, wait wait, so nothing says America now like
watching two guys beat the heck out of each other.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Right, So that's where I was going.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
How does that help you celebrate America's two hundred and
fiftieth birthday?
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Well, it does.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
That's just pure entertainment.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Look, if we're gonna have a fight, let two people
have a duel on the lawn at the white Let's
go all old school. If we're going to celebrate two
hundred and fifty years ago, let's do it the way
they did it two hundred and fifty years ago, which is,
you know, eight paces turn fire. Let's I mean, if
we're gonna do it, let's go it. This is like
one of the things that we because anytime on this
program you say anything that's remotely critical of Trump, people
(31:46):
just get mad. But whatever, there is a level of
seriousness to governance in order to accomplish things that I
don't think Trump always appreciates. And this is the sort
of thing that people are gonna look at and they're
gonna say that doesn't really seem like a serious person,
(32:08):
Like I've always said the Supreme Court. The fact that
the Supreme Court is open to me, Like, I'm torn
on this because on one hand, you do want transparency, but
you do sort of like the dignified idea of the
Supreme Court, like that they were these high up people
who lived in lives of seclusion and only came out
(32:28):
of their holes. They're like Pasatani phil right, they came
out of their hole to to rule on legal matters
and then that's it. And now they go give speeches
and write books and all of that stuff. And it's like, Eh,
I don't know if I wanted to see that. I
sort of feel like that, like the presidency, like I
want somebody who's gonna do a good job. I want
somebody who's going to accomplish things, but I also want
(32:51):
somebody who understands sort of the magnitude like when those
old dead guys on those portraits are staring back at you,
fully appreciates what that is.
Speaker 3 (33:01):
Magnitude, the magnitude of it, right, And.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
I just I think things like this come off as unserious,
and I think the home of our nation's president should
be more than just a UFC fight.
Speaker 4 (33:14):
So Dana White apparently is discussing all the plans. He's
meeting with Trump and Ivanka Trump apparently she is directly
involved in the planning and they're preparing some venue renderings
for review, Like where.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
This is going to happen.
Speaker 4 (33:29):
Is it going to be on the eclipse or you know,
the garden the new patio, Like where are we doing this?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Well? What does this accomplish? Is my question? Like what
are we doing by doing this? Are we saying?
Speaker 2 (33:46):
And okay, if we are, but it's unclear what message
we're sending, Like, Okay, this is America now.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
A UFC fight on the lawn is yes.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Matt Matt our boss said that Bill Clinton, you know,
stayed in the White House when he did the thing
in the White House. But it doesn't mean we can't
get it back. I love you, Matt, but can't we
get it back right? I mean, can't we re establish
some sort of like decency order, Like can't we go
back that? See, this is what Biden was supposed to be.
I know this sounds crazy, but I think in a
(34:19):
lot of people's minds they didn't even fathom that Biden
had lost his marbles or was going to be controlled
by radical leftists. They thought Biden was going to restore
some semblance of normalcy.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
Who's they The people who voted for him thought, yeah,
that guy would bring dignity.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Okay, see this is a true story. There was a
kid here, he used to produce on the weekends. He
was in his early twenties, was a Republican voter. I
asked him one night when I was doing the weekend show,
who you're voting for? And he goes, I don't know.
I said, how could you not know? He goes, I
like a lot of the things Trump has done. I
hate the way he's handled the Oval office, and I
just think, I think there's you and I can think
that's as crazy as whatever, but there's a lot of
(34:57):
people out there who vote that way, and I just
think this feeds that anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Craig Haggard, he's got a big announcement, made a big
announcement yesterday.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
It's gonna be with us to talk about it. Coming
up next year.
Speaker 4 (35:06):
It's Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC.
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