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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Breaking news. What's that big breaking news?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Is it the Mike Tyson Mayweather fight?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Are you sitting down?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Are you holding onto your chair with both hands?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is really going to blow you away?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It turns out Joe Hawks said is a pretty crummy
guy to work for.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Really, surprise, surprise, some cracks in the facade, as some
people are coming forward to do a little complaining a
little telling about what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Okay, So miror Indy has a new article out our
old pal, Peter Blanchard, friend of the show, the author
of the article, talking about these people who are beginning
to speak out about what a complete dumpster fire in
the city Hall is. And I'm reading this article and
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Peter's a wonderful writer, and Mire Indy does does a
fine job. But I'm reading this and it's like, I'm
not surprise.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Is it like a well done Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well that's the point.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I mean, like it's one of these things that even
maybe five or six years ago, you'd have seen it
in a print you'd be like, oh my gosh, this
is unbelievable because they go into detail about that, they
talk to these you know, people, et cetera. And and
you know, the culture of fear, I think is the
one of the phrases they use about working in there.
And it's like five or six years ago, even you
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would have said pre COVID you would oh man, this
is an unbelievable expose.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now you're just like mm hmm, you already knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, and it is not any.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Way to mean the work they're doing, but it's just
so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What a complete train wreck.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The mayor of Indianapolis is, both professionally or personally, which
then bleeds into his professional administration of city government.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And this doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
At least eight director level staffers have left in the
past year or two. Deputy mayor positions remain unfilled, and
according to some of these interviews, they describe the leadership
culture driven by yelling, intimidation, and also retaliation, and many
people have felt discouraged from reporting the issues because they
fear backlash from the mayor.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It is very rare, and this is true in almost
any industry. When people's personal life is in turmoil, it
doesn't bleed into their professional existence.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's only human nature.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Like very few people have a shut off valve to
be able to experimentalize, right, Yes, that's the perfect word.
Thank you, to be able to completely separate. And I'm
just talking about, like if you know you're having a
bad event in your personal life. I'm not talking about
systemic issues that allegedly are plaguing the mayor of the
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city of Indianapolis. I'm just even talking about, like, you know,
if you've got a loved one who's ill, or you
know a family member who passes away, or you know
some you know, unforeseen financial event like I don't know,
your refrigerator stops working and.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It puts you in a bad mood for a day.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, that's saying it's really it's really hard.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Now, luckily I can take that rage and I can
bring it to the politicians here every day.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, redirect, but right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So, think about if you're a person like Joe hawks
And who is alleged to have some pretty serious personal
demons and may or may not actually run into him.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And we all saw the video last year. They I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Running for anything, I'm running from you know where the
guy appears to have something.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Prohibiting a clear train.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Of thought slash rational speech right on a on a
on a public stage that that's not going to dramatically
affect not just the job you do, but how you
be behaving, the environment you create for the people under you.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's like a refrigerator breaks every single day. There have
been multiple accounts detailing abuse of behavior, behavior, public humiliation, yelling,
dismissive treatment, which has led to some of the resignations
and some people claiming poor mental health.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now not all of the employers are agreeing.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Some are chalking it up to hog Set's behavior as
being more old school leadership, akin to a Bob Knight personality.
But I gotta say, even if Bob Knight was in
a position of leadership and was acting the way he
used to, it wouldn't be tolerated today.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, But Bob Knight also won three national championships, right,
and had numerous Big ten championships, And every year the
team was in the tournament, and every most years you
said when the season started, hey, this could be the
you know the year, and they were a top twenty
five team.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, you're right. Could.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
We're on the top of lists now in Indianapolis, but
not good lists.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They're like crime lists.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well that's that's the thing. Right is what is the
what do you call it? The peda level in that
which you're pain in the arse? Yes, and in the
case of a Joe Hog set, there are no incredible results.
Not again, it wouldn't be tolerated anyway if you were
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behaving in a night fashion in twenty twenty five. But
there are no incredible results where the city goes, Oh,
that's just wacky Joe. He's just what a character.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
His PEDA levels high, but he's worth it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
No, you always want to make sure your worth is
greater than your PEDA level.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And so it comes back to something Ryan Hedrick, our
beloved newsman, said on this program a couple of months ago,
when talking about as Ryan has been quite candid about
his struggles with addiction and recovery and the supporting Sobriety
podcast that he and Matt Bahar do. He said, look,
Joe Hogs, that runs the city the way I're in
my life in the throes of addiction, it's continual chaos.
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Things get started, they don't get finished. Well, somebody else
always you know, we'll figure it out later.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And that's the city.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Look at the construction, look at the roads, look at
look at everything. That is a guy that has no
is not in charge of himself. It appears much less.
He shouldn't be in charge of a city of all
these people.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, so some of his team are denying any dysfunction.
They said a forty two percent increase in job applicants.
I don't think that has anything to do with the leadership.
That has more to do with people wanting a job.
And he did introduce that complaint system. He's pledged reform, but.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It seems like it's just a little bit too late.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You've got a mix of Democrats and Republicans on the
city County Council who publicly asked him to step down,
and there's just been so much controversy overshadowing his tenure
as mayor.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's almost like, you know, when you've got these.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yelling fits and disappearing acts and vanishing deputy mayors, it's
less like public service and more like a game of
political survivor. You know, people are removing themselves from the island,
and maybe it's time for someone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
At the top tof you voted off the island.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, but the city's not gonna change. And that's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The city is not going to change because there's a
couple of reasons. One, for some reason, collectively the city
the Democrat Party has decided to protect and defend this guy.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't understand. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You can easily insert another plug and play Democrat in
there and you'll get the same bad government, but without
all the drama, or a chance you'll get it without
all the drama. One, so they've circled the wagon's decided
totally to defend him. Two, the Republican Party is totally
inapt in Marion County, completely worthless, totally an apt They
aren't fighters. Heck, they got rid of Michael Paul Hart
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as the city council minority leader because he was too
mean to hogs That. And we were coming on here
every day ripping on that guy, like why won't he
do something again hogs That, And the leadership of the
Republican Party was like, oh, you're gonna need to slow
down there, body. So there's no fight in the Republicans.
There's nobody's gonna put the screws to the city, the
city government. And the third thing is most people have
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just left. I mean, there's a few hangers on like
Hammer who are lifers. For some reason, you're still living here.
I don't understand for any reason why you've chosen to
do that, but most people just they said, I'll just
go live in Greenfield. It'll just be much easier for me.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And it would.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I think.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think Washington may be open maybe part of it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
What a smidge, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I'm gonna have to investigate that on the way home today,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, all right, what are we doing next? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Oh, we got to talk about the jobs report, and
also the concerns about election integrity. There's a big article
in the Indiana Capitol Chronicles.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, let's talk about Bigga.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Morales, the Secretary of State is up to He had
that public hearing on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, there's actually some interesting things that they're proposing to
change our election system in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
To increase some voter turnout well, right, but also save money.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I'm actually not opposed to what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So let's talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's Kendilly Casey. It's ninety three w IBC, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So they're making they're they're they're proposing some pretty big
changes to elections in the state of Indiana. And I
actually I don't have a problem with these. Okay, let's
talk about them.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Sho okay, yeah, these are all based on the public
hearings that are being Wait.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Wait, wait, wait wait, you got to get the theme
song cued up here. I can't believe we keV missed that.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
You're talking about the Secretary of standing in his zest
to play Zeppelin. That's right, keV totally went into business
for himself. Kevin, are you ready? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Dirty Day, Go.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Dirty Day, Go, oh dirty d.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Dirty Day.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The stylings of Jerry Lopez INDI Spanglish on Twitter with
Kevin putting the beat down, and that is the theme
song for the Secretary of State, Diego Morales, because he
is a dirty, dirty, rotten individual who should not be
dog catcher, much less in charge of everything from elections
to businesses. But as mandated by the Indiana General Assembly,
he has to have these meetings across the state on
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proposed certain proposed changes to the electoral system and then
report back to the General Assembly on the information that
he acquired and see what see what they want to
do with that information. And a couple of these proposals
are actually I think pretty valid. One is essentially getting
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rid of what we call off your elections. So in
the state of Indiana, a lot of your municipal elections mayors, town,
city councils, clerk treasurer. They are on odd year elections.
So your your presidential elections are the and the congress
or the even ones. So like it's you know, twenty
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six will be the congressional midterms, twenty eight will be
the president, twenty five to twenty seven are the Indianapolis
mayor race will be in twenty twenty seven, and what
the state has said, and I think there's some merit
to this.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We have to spend all of this money.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
To administer these municipal elections, why wouldn't we just combine them.
If we can get everybody on the same track, we
can combine them and make them a part of elections
we're already administering, and it will save the taxpayers a
lot of money.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, this is all under the study from House En'
rolled Acts sixteen thirty three. So Indiana ranks in the
bottom eight of states for voter turnout was both in
twenty two and twenty four, so Is this an effort
to save money or is this an effort to get
people to come to the polls?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, it's both. The municipal turnout election is under twenty percent.
I'm not a person who cares about the voter turnout thing.
Like It's like, I don't think we should be trying
or begging people to vote. Here's elections, especially people who
don't do their research exactly, Like if I got to
beg you to vote, I really don't want you voting,
Like if I got to plead with you to come
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to the polls. Now, there's certain things we do see
redistricting and this ridiculous redistricting thing that alienate people from
being a part of the process. The politicians do this
on their own. But I don't want to have to,
you know, bow and curtsy and get on bended knee
and plead you to be a part of the electoral process.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
If you don't want to do it, fine, great.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I'm concerned about the cost, which is in some of
these you know, cities and towns, like I don't know
what the total was Like when I ran, I knew
the exact number. I know it, like I knew the
I looked at the previous whatever two or three election
cycles on that thing, and I could count to the
number and.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
How many people you needed to vote for you to win.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And once we blew past that, I was like, okay,
this's over. Like three weeks out of my election, I
was like, okay, it's done. Just make sure that people
go go vote, right, it's over.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's done with. You shouldn't be able to do that.
It shouldn't be that easy.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
If that few people care enough to show up and vote,
then you got to stick them in with everybody else,
and you could potentially save tens of thousands of dollars
in these counties that have to administer these elections.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Voter turnout in municipal elections sits at twenty seven percent
and midterms is at forty two. Presidential elections were sitting
at sixty one percent, so this could increase participation and
cut costs.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I had this conversation the other day with someone who
is going to run for office next year, and I
pretty much tell everybody this that wants to meet, I.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Will tell you what I think.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You want to use any of it? Great, If you don't,
I'm not gonna tell anything. I wouldn't tell anybody else
who asked me if I you know, if they want
to run for public office. And one of the things
that's fascinating to me is because this person is going
to be running against a long time incumbent member of
the General Assembly. And here's what I told them, and
anybody can use this. It's free advice. Also also free advice.
If I were running against somebody in the General Assembly
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next year, my slogan would be I want less of
your stuff, And anybody can use that wants that wants
to I told this person. They said, what's fascinating to
me about elections is, especially local elections, is there's so
many people who don't vote but yet and their potential customers. Right, Like,
if you think of it as a business, these people
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are all your potential customers. Yet the people run for
public office just work off the same lists and keep
going for the same group customer base. They fight amongst
the customer base. When I ran, I was like, anybody
who doesn't like the guy I'm running against, they're gonna
vote agast him anyway. You don't need me to convince
you anybody that's for him, because they got some sort
of vested reason, and that guy being there, they're gonna
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vote for him.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You're not gonna break those people. Why waste your time?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Go for the people who normally don't show up to
vote because they're freebies. If you can get to them,
the other people are not getting to them, and you
bear that out right in the midterms, Indiana has a
turnout rate.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Of forty two percent.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That means there's fifty eight percent of the potential customer
base just sitting there begging practically for somebody to give
them a reason to get up their ass and go vote.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And yet we spend all this.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Time fighting amongst the people probably have made up their
mind already anyway.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, but he's cramming your mayoral vote onto a presidential ballot.
Is that kind of like stinking your veggies into your
mac and cheese, like bearing it into something that you
do care about or people are engaged in.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Okay, let's use the city of Indianapolis for an example.
You're worried we're gonna get worse representation if it's on
the ballot with everything else, No, how.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Could it get any worse?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The other thing they're.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Considering doing and many counties already do this though, is
going to the vote center right now, it's a county
by county thing. And there are counties left who still
have the traditional voting precinct, which is like in your town,
there's eight places to go vote on election.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Day, and that is exorbitant. It's expensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You're paying a staff of people hundreds if not thousands
of dollars on election day that maybe one hundred people
or two hundred people will show up to vote at.
And they're talking about which many counties, especially in Central Indiana,
are already doing this of going to the forced vote center,
which is, hey, if you're in Plainfield, there's this giant
place that you can go vote.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm using hendricks Kincause that's where I live, and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's one in Brownsburg, and there's one in Avon, and
anywhere you're at you can go vote. And whether you
wherever you live, your vote, to pull up your ballot,
to pull up boom, do it, see you out of here.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it's another thing that I think in a modern era.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Especially with the low voter turnout that we consistently have
in Indiana, if we're going to let's save the money
and let's go to these vote centers and get them
right and perfect the vote center.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So some critics are saying that some small towns they
already have the option to shift their election timing, and
do you really need a statewide mandate to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, if it comes to I got to pay for
it in some capacity as a taxpayer, then yeah, I'm
going to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
A lot of this stuff is administered at the local level,
but we also pay money as state taxpayers to administer
elections here in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I just right.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, if you're there's zero reason if there's going
to be fifteen hundred people show up to vote, I'll
just again use where I live. We have the off
your elections for the town council races. It's like fifteen
hundred to two thousand people who are showing up to
vote in a town of thirty thousand people.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
If you can't get.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Or even if it's three thousand, right, whatever, If you're
only getting ten of the populace to show up, you
can be inconvenienced a little bit, perhaps, but.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You're even but you're not.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
There's the early voting, there's all that, all these opportunity
of the mail in voting, it's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So you know he had that public hearing on September three. Yeah,
I was told that there were thirty two chairs available
for people to come in.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Somebody sent me, don't know if they all got filled.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Somebody sent me a photo of that event that he
just had, And it appears to me that there are
three people taking photos of him.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We've got it looked like three like different angles, sax.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Payer funded people. Yeah, taking photos. Now, I don't know
if that's exactly right, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Big pr machine.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He never stops campaigning. You got to hand it to.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Him, right, do you.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
The next hearing is September nineteenth in Jeffersonville, and then Morales,
the Secretary of State will be making final recommendations, which
is due to lawmakers by November.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
First. What are we doing next?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, do you want to talk about that big tech
meeting they had in the White House yesterday?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Zuckerberg was there saying some stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh yeah, people are mad because Gates because t is
right next to them.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, people, and they should be mad. We'll tell you. Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's Kennel and Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Okay, this this broad might have a point here, Casey,
what's I got the Fox News up on the screen.
I think that Carl finally got us off that horrible
Drew Barrymore show.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Later. I don't think she's on Fox Days.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And the what do they call the thing at the bottom,
the super yeah, super yeah, the thing that tells you
who's on or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
They they're doing some bit on one of the Kardashians,
Courtney Kardashian. I can never keep any of them straight.
But it said Courtney Kardashian, and I guess her quote
was going to school is so dated?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh interesting?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And I see that, and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
At first you'd be like, well, that's ridiculous, But then
there's part of you that says, okay, if we just
pause and get past the idea of, oh my gosh,
you wouldn't go to school.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
In the hyper.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Technological world in which we're entering, and which means we
will be more and more into a specialized world going forward,
in which you're going to need to find jobs that
can beat AI right, which will be fewer and fewer
by the day. Every day there's one or more fewer
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jobs out there because of AI.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So is she wrong in.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Saying that you would be far better off from the
time you're a young person to be entered into field
or fields plural, to get an understanding of things and
work around and with things that are almost AI proof
or that have a better chance ten years from now
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when you will enter the Workforceah of defeating art of
still having a career despite artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
That means you have to be specialized from a very
young age. It's almost like the one sport athlete in school.
In high school, you focus on that one sport consistently,
doesn't that kind of pigeon?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well does it have to be though?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Does it have to be because, let's say when you're
ten years old, they say, because by the time you're ten,
like I get interest change and things changed, but you
start getting a pretty good idea of sort of what
sort of human interests you're going to have, right, I
mean I get like, I get that people find new
things all the time. But in terms of like when
I was ten years old, I knew.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
What I want to do.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You knew you wanted to be here on WIBC at
ten of course, really I knew.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I knew I wanted to do this, and I was
a very smart child.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Okay, you know what that's interesting you say that because
by the time I was twelve, well, I knew that
I wanted to be on the radio as well. When
I was thirteen, I had the choice I could either
get a tend speed bike ers high five stereo system,
and I of course chose the stereo system so that
I could listen to the radio.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's would say.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I think I think most people have some idea of
the interests that they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As at you know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
The ten to twelve year old age range and things
that they would have some level of passion four. And
I was by the when I was ten, I loved radio,
was obsessed with radio and broadcasting and writing, and it
was pretty much a thing for me that I was
going to be in one of those fields of a
life of poverty. Right like that. But would we be
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better off at saying when you're ten years old and
instead of just going to a traditional public or private
school every day where they just every day you go,
you know, five fields, five places, five things, you know
that you have some and I'm just spitballing here off
the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's just fascinating to me that she said that, because
on the way, well on the.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Surface, it seems very radical, but given the world in
which we're living, and what does the world look like
ten years from now, would you be better off by
the time you're twenty having spent ten years on a
daily basis engrossed in things that you have an interest
in and learning how to do those things to the
best of your ability.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That might play into Governor Brawn's pushed for the micro
schools better because many people, many parents look at school
as just daycare, a place to send their children when
they're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Work well right because and so that then is the
spin off, which is where I was going, so thank
you for this, which is if you're not going to
engage in your kid's life on a daily basis outside
you know, what did you learn today? Talking about what
they learned, helping them with their studies, which, let's face it,
many parents are not.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Many parents just hand their.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Kids off, as you said, to the public education system
or private school or whatever. And if you're not going
to engage, then why wouldn't you want them to be
somewhere hyper focus where they're learning in their interest and
it will make it will it will prepare them earlier
for a career path of their choosing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Do you think that at that age people would be
able to tell.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
If they're more stem focused or if they're more history
and literature focused.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I think you know so, Like for example, here's a
here's a great example, talked about how all the issues
I had with the refrigerator right, and my buddy Clay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You knew that was out of right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like I was, like I had to call me Clay
out and Levin and please come save me. And you know,
he went, and you know it was very easy because
he has that skill set. His son came with him,
His son and his kids go to a to a
private advanced kid learning a cat to me type of place.
He has elementary age kids. His son, I think is six.
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Maybe his son came with him, and his son clearly
had an interest in how he was fixing the waterline
and stuff and because his dad does it right.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I think a lot of that is we feed off.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
The interests of our parents, and his dad was showing
him and he was helping his dad do this. Now
could he obviously do it if you sat down tomorrow
and made him do it. No, but he has an
interest in that, He has an interest in those things.
With somebody like that who's already started formulating some sort
of life interest and a skill set that would be
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hyper beneficial not only to him self financially, because there's
fewer people who work with their hands, and also, you know,
to to humanity as a collective.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Would that be a better approach for someone.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Like that, right, then, have someone sitting in a classroom
exactly just.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do something upon her. I saw that. I thought that
was just incredibly interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Rockefeller's rolling over in his grip.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That the kardash she's it's like, oh my gosh, with
the Kardashians, we reject it out of hand. But that
actually is very interesting to me. And she wasn't necessarily
saying that. She was just saying school is dated. And
I think maybe that might be more and more.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Parents and people speaking out that if you should not
be sending your child home with hours of homework. You
have eight hours a day. If you can't get the
lesson in and they're not grasping what they're supposed to,
then you're doing something wrong, like you don't need to
be sending hours upon hours of homework home with them.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, and the other part of this is how much
of your education did you extrapolate it into the real world?
Like how much of what you learn actually benefited you
in your day to day existence as an adult.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You're talking about how you were always told you you're
not going to have a calculator in your back pocket.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You got to learn how to do this right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Look, and I'm not saying there are many fine math
teachers that are wonderful people. I'm not trying to them
in any shape, form or fashion. But I'm saying the.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
The trig the you know, the biology stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like right' I don't see any place where I've used
this in my daily adult Do you.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Make some of that general knowledge?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
For what, I know what a bird is?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Like I know what a frog is?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Did I need to know how to dissect a frog? Seriously?
Like freshman year in high school you had to dissect
the frog? What good did that do me?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So you're saying that you need to identify those students younger.
If you want to have the aptitude for it, sure
focus on that.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Absolutely, there are people who it benefitted them greatly because
they want to be a doctor, they have an aptitude
for it, they're interested in that.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, my daughter would be an example of that where
something like that is right in her field and now
she's you know, writing in a scientific last.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So instead of making her do because I'm sure just
like me, even the we have different she had classes
that were just totally pointless for her. So instead of
wasting all that time and resource, wouldn't have been better
for your daughter to have five we'll call them internships
for a lack of a better thing, or or fields
of study were the five things she was interested in.
She got great at those. By the time she was
sixteen years old, she was uber advanced in that. Wouldn't
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that serve her better than just forcing have forced her
to go through all these classes that she will absolutely
never use. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Possibly the only thing that I would say is, you know,
the STEM class has benefited her because that is what
her career is now. However, she still had to learn
how to write a paper and do summaries because even
in the science field you have to be able to
Then that.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Could have been one of the things that she went
and did each day. Yeah, I think we are onto something.
I think we've just I think I think we have
just solved a lot of the world's problems. All Right,
we'll do the Gates and Trump stuff when we come back.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So Trump did an event yesterday and Suckerberg and Gates
were there and people are outraged by it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah. You also had Tim Cook there, he's the Apple guy.
He is the Apple guy.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
And you had all sorts of CEOs from Oracle and
Blue Origin and Pallenteer and just all the all the
tech people were there. Right, it was like a Silicon
Valley thing reunion in the Rose Garden area.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But the outrage from a lot of people, as they're saying,
and we saw this during the inauguration too, where these
guys were got the primo seats, is these guys hate you.
They did everything they could to not just defeat you,
but take you out, and.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now you're opening the doors to them.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it's the and and it's hard to look. I'm
not a hardcore Trump supporter. I voted for Trump because
it was the one other option that I have. Right,
I've been Trump's I knew would be in definitely better
on the border, which he has been, and better on
foreign policy, which to some extent he has been on
that too. And that you know, obviously you've got two choices.
You got picked one of the two. I mean, you
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don't have to, but you get what I'm saying. But
if you're a hardcore Trump person, you gotta be a
little taken aback by this.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Do you that this guy because he does this all
the time. He keeps.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Engaging or propping up or giving the VIP treatment to people.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
That try to destroy him.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well, and if you're a hardcore Trump person who worked
very hard to get Trump elected, did you gotta be
looking at that going eh? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, it does signal somewhat of a realignment with big
Tech despite their past clashes.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I have to note Elon Musk wasn't there. He declined
the imitations.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
He said a representative, you'd be there in his place
after they're public falling out. But is this a situation
of if you can't beat them, join them, because Tech
is always going.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Sure, but I think there's a difference between we got
to work together and I'm rolling out the red carpet
for these people, right, I think there's I think there's
a and I think those guys at the inauguration was
a you know, I think that was a massive slap
(31:23):
in the face. By the way, the inauguration, wasn't it
brought to you by Google?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Uh? Well here in Indiana that was here, Yes, it was, yes, Yeah,
there was a huge banners.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right, that's right at that thing we went to. I
bet we don't get invited to that. That's right to bet.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That was the and I told you when we went,
I said, we got to go to this because I bet,
I say, and do something to get us uninvited from
this going forward. And aren't you glad we went now
because we're never getting invited again?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I called that one.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But at the big Bronze ball there was a stage
and right behind the podium on the stage there was
a big screen and the screen was as flashing different sponsors.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And Google was a big one. Also makes you wonder
about the connections to all the data centers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, that was where I was going to go with this,
which is because remember at the time, I think I
brilliantly said, why is Google sponsoring the Indiana Republican Party,
and well as with all things, yeah, there was a
clear answer, which is they want the giveaways for the
data centers in Franklin Township. And now, of course the
guy Alec Willis who had on yesterday said the one
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in Monrovia is a Google related thing?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Is Google?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, so point at all this is these people are
not our friends. They're not friends of the American people.
They're not friends of Trump. They exist to make money.
They exist to enhance their their power, their footprint, their
dominance over people's lives. And you're right, though, Casey, we
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are totally slaves to technology at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So many of the attendees they announced different projects were
investment that support Trump's goals on AI development, also manufacturing
and workforce automation.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
One of those people, wait, but how many of those
investments are backed up by foreign based workers.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's what really matters.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
People that are going to come into this country and
they are going to take these jobs from people from
other countries. That's always the thing when we talk about
investment now in our country, when these foreign or tech
based companies talk about investment in Indiana, investment in America. Yeah,
but how many of those jobs are guaranteed to go
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to American workers.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So Mark Zuckerberg was there and he said that his
company was going to invest at least six hundred billion
in the US over the next several years. And he
said it was to build out data centers and infrastructure
to power the next wave of innovation. When I heard
him say that, I kept thinking, you're not doing this
for me. You're doing this for you, of course, and
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your company.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Now, look, there's some there's some thing to Hey, we
all are not all of us, but a lot of
us use Facebook.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
However, if you told me that Facebook.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Could go away, but I'd have more affordable water and electricity,
I'd take giving up Facebook. And you're right, they're a
for profit company. It's not like they're running a soup
kitchen over at Facebook.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So another thing that happened yesterday was the.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Health Secretary, Robert Kennedy Junior, testifying in front of the
Senate Finance Committee.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
And we gotta to talk about daycare because there's something
interesting going on right at daycare in India.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, that as well. You're listening to Kendall and Casey.
It is ninety three WYBC
Breaking news. What's that big breaking news?
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Is it the Mike Tyson Mayweather fight?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Are you sitting down?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Are you holding onto your chair with both hands?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Got it?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
This is really going to blow you away?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
It turns out Joe Hawks said is a pretty crummy
guy to work for.
Speaker 4 (00:22):
Really, surprise, surprise, some cracks in the facade, as some
people are coming forward to do a little complaining a
little telling about what's going on.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Okay, So miror Indy has a new article out our
old pal, Peter Blanchard, friend of the show, the author
of the article, talking about these people who are beginning
to speak out about what a complete dumpster fire in
the city Hall is. And I'm reading this article and
(00:52):
Peter's a wonderful writer, and Mire Indy does does a
fine job. But I'm reading this and it's like, I'm
not surprise.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Is it like a well done Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Well that's the point.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I mean, like it's one of these things that even
maybe five or six years ago, you'd have seen it
in a print you'd be like, oh my gosh, this
is unbelievable because they go into detail about that, they
talk to these you know, people, et cetera. And and
you know, the culture of fear, I think is the
one of the phrases they use about working in there.
And it's like five or six years ago, even you
(01:23):
would have said pre COVID you would oh man, this
is an unbelievable expose.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Now you're just like mm hmm, you already knew that.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, and it is not any.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Way to mean the work they're doing, but it's just
so blatantly obvious.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
What a complete train wreck.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
The mayor of Indianapolis is, both professionally or personally, which
then bleeds into his professional administration of city government.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
And this doesn't surprise me at all.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
At least eight director level staffers have left in the
past year or two. Deputy mayor positions remain unfilled, and
according to some of these interviews, they describe the leadership
culture driven by yelling, intimidation, and also retaliation, and many
people have felt discouraged from reporting the issues because they
fear backlash from the mayor.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
It is very rare, and this is true in almost
any industry. When people's personal life is in turmoil, it
doesn't bleed into their professional existence.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
It's only human nature.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Like very few people have a shut off valve to
be able to experimentalize, right, Yes, that's the perfect word.
Thank you, to be able to completely separate. And I'm
just talking about, like if you know you're having a
bad event in your personal life. I'm not talking about
systemic issues that allegedly are plaguing the mayor of the
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city of Indianapolis. I'm just even talking about, like, you know,
if you've got a loved one who's ill, or you
know a family member who passes away, or you know
some you know, unforeseen financial event like I don't know,
your refrigerator stops working and.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It puts you in a bad mood for a day.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Well, that's saying it's really it's really hard.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Now, luckily I can take that rage and I can
bring it to the politicians here every day.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Yeah, redirect, but right.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
So, think about if you're a person like Joe hawks
And who is alleged to have some pretty serious personal
demons and may or may not actually run into him.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
And we all saw the video last year. They I'm not.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
Running for anything, I'm running from you know where the
guy appears to have something.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Prohibiting a clear train.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Of thought slash rational speech right on a on a
on a public stage that that's not going to dramatically
affect not just the job you do, but how you
be behaving, the environment you create for the people under you.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
It's like a refrigerator breaks every single day. There have
been multiple accounts detailing abuse of behavior, behavior, public humiliation, yelling,
dismissive treatment, which has led to some of the resignations
and some people claiming poor mental health.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Now not all of the employers are agreeing.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Some are chalking it up to hog Set's behavior as
being more old school leadership, akin to a Bob Knight personality.
But I gotta say, even if Bob Knight was in
a position of leadership and was acting the way he
used to, it wouldn't be tolerated today.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
No, But Bob Knight also won three national championships, right,
and had numerous Big ten championships, And every year the
team was in the tournament, and every most years you
said when the season started, hey, this could be the
you know the year, and they were a top twenty
five team.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, you're right. Could.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
We're on the top of lists now in Indianapolis, but
not good lists.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
They're like crime lists.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Well that's that's the thing. Right is what is the
what do you call it? The peda level in that
which you're pain in the arse? Yes, and in the
case of a Joe Hog set, there are no incredible results.
Not again, it wouldn't be tolerated anyway if you were
(05:10):
behaving in a night fashion in twenty twenty five. But
there are no incredible results where the city goes, Oh,
that's just wacky Joe. He's just what a character.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
His PEDA levels high, but he's worth it.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
No, you always want to make sure your worth is
greater than your PEDA level.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
And so it comes back to something Ryan Hedrick, our
beloved newsman, said on this program a couple of months ago,
when talking about as Ryan has been quite candid about
his struggles with addiction and recovery and the supporting Sobriety
podcast that he and Matt Bahar do. He said, look,
Joe Hogs, that runs the city the way I're in
my life in the throes of addiction, it's continual chaos.
(05:47):
Things get started, they don't get finished. Well, somebody else
always you know, we'll figure it out later.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
And that's the city.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Look at the construction, look at the roads, look at
look at everything. That is a guy that has no
is not in charge of himself. It appears much less.
He shouldn't be in charge of a city of all
these people.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
Yeah, so some of his team are denying any dysfunction.
They said a forty two percent increase in job applicants.
I don't think that has anything to do with the leadership.
That has more to do with people wanting a job.
And he did introduce that complaint system. He's pledged reform, but.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It seems like it's just a little bit too late.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
You've got a mix of Democrats and Republicans on the
city County Council who publicly asked him to step down,
and there's just been so much controversy overshadowing his tenure
as mayor.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
It's almost like, you know, when you've got these.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yelling fits and disappearing acts and vanishing deputy mayors, it's
less like public service and more like a game of
political survivor. You know, people are removing themselves from the island,
and maybe it's time for someone.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
At the top tof you voted off the island.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Well, but the city's not gonna change. And that's the point.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
The city is not going to change because there's a
couple of reasons. One, for some reason, collectively the city
the Democrat Party has decided to protect and defend this guy.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
I don't understand. I don't get it.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
You can easily insert another plug and play Democrat in
there and you'll get the same bad government, but without
all the drama, or a chance you'll get it without
all the drama. One, so they've circled the wagon's decided
totally to defend him. Two, the Republican Party is totally
inapt in Marion County, completely worthless, totally an apt They
aren't fighters. Heck, they got rid of Michael Paul Hart
(07:42):
as the city council minority leader because he was too
mean to hogs That. And we were coming on here
every day ripping on that guy, like why won't he
do something again hogs That, And the leadership of the
Republican Party was like, oh, you're gonna need to slow
down there, body. So there's no fight in the Republicans.
There's nobody's gonna put the screws to the city, the
city government. And the third thing is most people have
(08:05):
just left. I mean, there's a few hangers on like
Hammer who are lifers. For some reason, you're still living here.
I don't understand for any reason why you've chosen to
do that, but most people just they said, I'll just
go live in Greenfield. It'll just be much easier for me.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
And it would.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
I think.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
I think Washington may be open maybe part of it.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
What a smidge, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
I'm gonna have to investigate that on the way home today,
we'll see.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah, all right, what are we doing next? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Oh, we got to talk about the jobs report, and
also the concerns about election integrity. There's a big article
in the Indiana Capitol Chronicles.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, let's talk about Bigga.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
Morales, the Secretary of State is up to He had
that public hearing on Wednesday.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Yeah, there's actually some interesting things that they're proposing to
change our election system in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
To increase some voter turnout well, right, but also save money.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And I'm actually not opposed to what they're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
So let's talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
It's Kendilly Casey. It's ninety three w IBC, all right.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
So they're making they're they're they're proposing some pretty big
changes to elections in the state of Indiana. And I
actually I don't have a problem with these. Okay, let's
talk about them.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Sho okay, yeah, these are all based on the public
hearings that are being Wait.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Wait, wait, wait wait, you got to get the theme
song cued up here. I can't believe we keV missed that.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
You're talking about the Secretary of standing in his zest
to play Zeppelin. That's right, keV totally went into business
for himself. Kevin, are you ready? Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
Dirty Day, Go.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
Dirty Day, Go, oh dirty d.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Dirty Day.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
The stylings of Jerry Lopez INDI Spanglish on Twitter with
Kevin putting the beat down, and that is the theme
song for the Secretary of State, Diego Morales, because he
is a dirty, dirty, rotten individual who should not be
dog catcher, much less in charge of everything from elections
to businesses. But as mandated by the Indiana General Assembly,
he has to have these meetings across the state on
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proposed certain proposed changes to the electoral system and then
report back to the General Assembly on the information that
he acquired and see what see what they want to
do with that information. And a couple of these proposals
are actually I think pretty valid. One is essentially getting
(10:58):
rid of what we call off your elections. So in
the state of Indiana, a lot of your municipal elections mayors, town,
city councils, clerk treasurer. They are on odd year elections.
So your your presidential elections are the and the congress
or the even ones. So like it's you know, twenty
(11:19):
six will be the congressional midterms, twenty eight will be
the president, twenty five to twenty seven are the Indianapolis
mayor race will be in twenty twenty seven, and what
the state has said, and I think there's some merit
to this.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
We have to spend all of this money.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
To administer these municipal elections, why wouldn't we just combine them.
If we can get everybody on the same track, we
can combine them and make them a part of elections
we're already administering, and it will save the taxpayers a
lot of money.
Speaker 4 (11:50):
Yeah, this is all under the study from House En'
rolled Acts sixteen thirty three. So Indiana ranks in the
bottom eight of states for voter turnout was both in
twenty two and twenty four, so Is this an effort
to save money or is this an effort to get
people to come to the polls?
Speaker 3 (12:08):
Well, it's both. The municipal turnout election is under twenty percent.
I'm not a person who cares about the voter turnout thing.
Like It's like, I don't think we should be trying
or begging people to vote. Here's elections, especially people who
don't do their research exactly, Like if I got to
beg you to vote, I really don't want you voting,
Like if I got to plead with you to come
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to the polls. Now, there's certain things we do see
redistricting and this ridiculous redistricting thing that alienate people from
being a part of the process. The politicians do this
on their own. But I don't want to have to,
you know, bow and curtsy and get on bended knee
and plead you to be a part of the electoral process.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
If you don't want to do it, fine, great.
Speaker 3 (12:48):
I'm concerned about the cost, which is in some of
these you know, cities and towns, like I don't know
what the total was Like when I ran, I knew
the exact number. I know it, like I knew the
I looked at the previous whatever two or three election
cycles on that thing, and I could count to the
number and.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
How many people you needed to vote for you to win.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, I knew it.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
And once we blew past that, I was like, okay,
this's over. Like three weeks out of my election, I
was like, okay, it's done. Just make sure that people
go go vote, right, it's over.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
It's done with. You shouldn't be able to do that.
It shouldn't be that easy.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
If that few people care enough to show up and vote,
then you got to stick them in with everybody else,
and you could potentially save tens of thousands of dollars
in these counties that have to administer these elections.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
Voter turnout in municipal elections sits at twenty seven percent
and midterms is at forty two. Presidential elections were sitting
at sixty one percent, so this could increase participation and
cut costs.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
I had this conversation the other day with someone who
is going to run for office next year, and I
pretty much tell everybody this that wants to meet, I.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
Will tell you what I think.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
You want to use any of it? Great, If you don't,
I'm not gonna tell anything. I wouldn't tell anybody else
who asked me if I you know, if they want
to run for public office. And one of the things
that's fascinating to me is because this person is going
to be running against a long time incumbent member of
the General Assembly. And here's what I told them, and
anybody can use this. It's free advice. Also also free advice.
If I were running against somebody in the General Assembly
(14:21):
next year, my slogan would be I want less of
your stuff, And anybody can use that wants that wants
to I told this person. They said, what's fascinating to
me about elections is, especially local elections, is there's so
many people who don't vote but yet and their potential customers. Right, Like,
if you think of it as a business, these people
(14:43):
are all your potential customers. Yet the people run for
public office just work off the same lists and keep
going for the same group customer base. They fight amongst
the customer base. When I ran, I was like, anybody
who doesn't like the guy I'm running against, they're gonna
vote agast him anyway. You don't need me to convince
you anybody that's for him, because they got some sort
of vested reason, and that guy being there, they're gonna
(15:04):
vote for him.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
You're not gonna break those people. Why waste your time?
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Go for the people who normally don't show up to
vote because they're freebies. If you can get to them,
the other people are not getting to them, and you
bear that out right in the midterms, Indiana has a
turnout rate.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Of forty two percent.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
That means there's fifty eight percent of the potential customer
base just sitting there begging practically for somebody to give
them a reason to get up their ass and go vote.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And yet we spend all this.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Time fighting amongst the people probably have made up their
mind already anyway.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
Yeah, but he's cramming your mayoral vote onto a presidential ballot.
Is that kind of like stinking your veggies into your
mac and cheese, like bearing it into something that you
do care about or people are engaged in.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
Okay, let's use the city of Indianapolis for an example.
You're worried we're gonna get worse representation if it's on
the ballot with everything else, No, how.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Could it get any worse?
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
The other thing they're.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Considering doing and many counties already do this though, is
going to the vote center right now, it's a county
by county thing. And there are counties left who still
have the traditional voting precinct, which is like in your town,
there's eight places to go vote on election.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Day, and that is exorbitant. It's expensive.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
You're paying a staff of people hundreds if not thousands
of dollars on election day that maybe one hundred people
or two hundred people will show up to vote at.
And they're talking about which many counties, especially in Central Indiana,
are already doing this of going to the forced vote center,
which is, hey, if you're in Plainfield, there's this giant
place that you can go vote.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I'm using hendricks Kincause that's where I live, and.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
There's one in Brownsburg, and there's one in Avon, and
anywhere you're at you can go vote. And whether you
wherever you live, your vote, to pull up your ballot,
to pull up boom, do it, see you out of here.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
And it's another thing that I think in a modern era.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Especially with the low voter turnout that we consistently have
in Indiana, if we're going to let's save the money
and let's go to these vote centers and get them
right and perfect the vote center.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
So some critics are saying that some small towns they
already have the option to shift their election timing, and
do you really need a statewide mandate to do that.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Well, if it comes to I got to pay for
it in some capacity as a taxpayer, then yeah, I'm
going to tell you what to do.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
Now.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
A lot of this stuff is administered at the local level,
but we also pay money as state taxpayers to administer
elections here in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I just right.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
I mean, if you're there's zero reason if there's going
to be fifteen hundred people show up to vote, I'll
just again use where I live. We have the off
your elections for the town council races. It's like fifteen
hundred to two thousand people who are showing up to
vote in a town of thirty thousand people.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
If you can't get.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
Or even if it's three thousand, right, whatever, If you're
only getting ten of the populace to show up, you
can be inconvenienced a little bit, perhaps, but.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
You're even but you're not.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
There's the early voting, there's all that, all these opportunity
of the mail in voting, it's utterly ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
So you know he had that public hearing on September three. Yeah,
I was told that there were thirty two chairs available
for people to come in.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Somebody sent me, don't know if they all got filled.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Somebody sent me a photo of that event that he
just had, And it appears to me that there are
three people taking photos of him.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
We've got it looked like three like different angles, sax.
Speaker 3 (18:36):
Payer funded people. Yeah, taking photos. Now, I don't know
if that's exactly right, but.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Big pr machine.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
He never stops campaigning. You got to hand it to.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Him, right, do you.
Speaker 4 (18:48):
The next hearing is September nineteenth in Jeffersonville, and then Morales,
the Secretary of State will be making final recommendations, which
is due to lawmakers by November.
Speaker 1 (18:58):
First. What are we doing next?
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Well, do you want to talk about that big tech
meeting they had in the White House yesterday?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Zuckerberg was there saying some stuff.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
Oh yeah, people are mad because Gates because t is
right next to them.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Yeah, people, and they should be mad. We'll tell you. Yeah,
let's do it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
It's Kennel and Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Okay, this this broad might have a point here, Casey,
what's I got the Fox News up on the screen.
I think that Carl finally got us off that horrible
Drew Barrymore show.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Later. I don't think she's on Fox Days.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And the what do they call the thing at the bottom,
the super yeah, super yeah, the thing that tells you
who's on or whatever.
Speaker 5 (19:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
They they're doing some bit on one of the Kardashians,
Courtney Kardashian. I can never keep any of them straight.
But it said Courtney Kardashian, and I guess her quote
was going to school is so dated?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh interesting?
Speaker 1 (19:57):
And I see that, and.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
At first you'd be like, well, that's ridiculous, But then
there's part of you that says, okay, if we just
pause and get past the idea of, oh my gosh,
you wouldn't go to school.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
In the hyper.
Speaker 3 (20:15):
Technological world in which we're entering, and which means we
will be more and more into a specialized world going forward,
in which you're going to need to find jobs that
can beat AI right, which will be fewer and fewer
by the day. Every day there's one or more fewer
(20:39):
jobs out there because of AI.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
So is she wrong in.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Saying that you would be far better off from the
time you're a young person to be entered into field
or fields plural, to get an understanding of things and
work around and with things that are almost AI proof
or that have a better chance ten years from now
(21:07):
when you will enter the Workforceah of defeating art of
still having a career despite artificial intelligence.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
That means you have to be specialized from a very
young age. It's almost like the one sport athlete in school.
In high school, you focus on that one sport consistently,
doesn't that kind of pigeon?
Speaker 1 (21:23):
Well does it have to be though?
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Does it have to be because, let's say when you're
ten years old, they say, because by the time you're ten,
like I get interest change and things changed, but you
start getting a pretty good idea of sort of what
sort of human interests you're going to have, right, I
mean I get like, I get that people find new
things all the time. But in terms of like when
I was ten years old, I knew.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
What I want to do.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
You knew you wanted to be here on WIBC at
ten of course, really I knew.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
I knew I wanted to do this, and I was
a very smart child.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Okay, you know what that's interesting you say that because
by the time I was twelve, well, I knew that
I wanted to be on the radio as well. When
I was thirteen, I had the choice I could either
get a tend speed bike ers high five stereo system,
and I of course chose the stereo system so that
I could listen to the radio.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Yeah, that's would say.
Speaker 3 (22:13):
I think I think most people have some idea of
the interests that they're going to have.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
As at you know.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
The ten to twelve year old age range and things
that they would have some level of passion four. And
I was by the when I was ten, I loved radio,
was obsessed with radio and broadcasting and writing, and it
was pretty much a thing for me that I was
going to be in one of those fields of a
life of poverty. Right like that. But would we be
(22:45):
better off at saying when you're ten years old and
instead of just going to a traditional public or private
school every day where they just every day you go,
you know, five fields, five places, five things, you know
that you have some and I'm just spitballing here off
the top of my head.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
That's just fascinating to me that she said that, because
on the way, well on the.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Surface, it seems very radical, but given the world in
which we're living, and what does the world look like
ten years from now, would you be better off by
the time you're twenty having spent ten years on a
daily basis engrossed in things that you have an interest
in and learning how to do those things to the
best of your ability.
Speaker 4 (23:24):
That might play into Governor Brawn's pushed for the micro
schools better because many people, many parents look at school
as just daycare, a place to send their children when
they're going to.
Speaker 3 (23:38):
Work well right because and so that then is the
spin off, which is where I was going, so thank
you for this, which is if you're not going to
engage in your kid's life on a daily basis outside
you know, what did you learn today? Talking about what
they learned, helping them with their studies, which, let's face it,
many parents are not.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Many parents just hand their.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
Kids off, as you said, to the public education system
or private school or whatever. And if you're not going
to engage, then why wouldn't you want them to be
somewhere hyper focus where they're learning in their interest and
it will make it will it will prepare them earlier
for a career path of their choosing.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Do you think that at that age people would be
able to tell.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
If they're more stem focused or if they're more history
and literature focused.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
I think you know so, Like for example, here's a
here's a great example, talked about how all the issues
I had with the refrigerator right, and my buddy Clay.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You knew that was out of right.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Like I was, like I had to call me Clay
out and Levin and please come save me. And you know,
he went, and you know it was very easy because
he has that skill set. His son came with him,
His son and his kids go to a to a
private advanced kid learning a cat to me type of place.
He has elementary age kids. His son, I think is six.
(25:05):
Maybe his son came with him, and his son clearly
had an interest in how he was fixing the waterline
and stuff and because his dad does it right.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
And I think a lot of that is we feed off.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
The interests of our parents, and his dad was showing
him and he was helping his dad do this. Now
could he obviously do it if you sat down tomorrow
and made him do it. No, but he has an
interest in that, He has an interest in those things.
With somebody like that who's already started formulating some sort
of life interest and a skill set that would be
(25:35):
hyper beneficial not only to him self financially, because there's
fewer people who work with their hands, and also, you know,
to to humanity as a collective.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Would that be a better approach for someone.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Like that, right, then, have someone sitting in a classroom
exactly just.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Do something upon her. I saw that. I thought that
was just incredibly interesting.
Speaker 2 (25:55):
Rockefeller's rolling over in his grip.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
That the kardash she's it's like, oh my gosh, with
the Kardashians, we reject it out of hand. But that
actually is very interesting to me. And she wasn't necessarily
saying that. She was just saying school is dated. And
I think maybe that might be more and more.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
Parents and people speaking out that if you should not
be sending your child home with hours of homework. You
have eight hours a day. If you can't get the
lesson in and they're not grasping what they're supposed to,
then you're doing something wrong, like you don't need to
be sending hours upon hours of homework home with them.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Well, and the other part of this is how much
of your education did you extrapolate it into the real world?
Like how much of what you learn actually benefited you
in your day to day existence as an adult.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You're talking about how you were always told you you're
not going to have a calculator in your back pocket.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
You got to learn how to do this right.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
Look, and I'm not saying there are many fine math
teachers that are wonderful people. I'm not trying to them
in any shape, form or fashion. But I'm saying the.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
The trig the you know, the biology stuff.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Like right' I don't see any place where I've used
this in my daily adult Do you.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Make some of that general knowledge?
Speaker 4 (27:20):
Though?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
For what, I know what a bird is?
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Like I know what a frog is?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Did I need to know how to dissect a frog? Seriously?
Like freshman year in high school you had to dissect
the frog? What good did that do me?
Speaker 4 (27:33):
So you're saying that you need to identify those students younger.
If you want to have the aptitude for it, sure
focus on that.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Absolutely, there are people who it benefitted them greatly because
they want to be a doctor, they have an aptitude
for it, they're interested in that.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Well, my daughter would be an example of that where
something like that is right in her field and now
she's you know, writing in a scientific last.
Speaker 3 (27:57):
So instead of making her do because I'm sure just
like me, even the we have different she had classes
that were just totally pointless for her. So instead of
wasting all that time and resource, wouldn't have been better
for your daughter to have five we'll call them internships
for a lack of a better thing, or or fields
of study were the five things she was interested in.
She got great at those. By the time she was
sixteen years old, she was uber advanced in that. Wouldn't
(28:19):
that serve her better than just forcing have forced her
to go through all these classes that she will absolutely
never use. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:26):
Possibly the only thing that I would say is, you know,
the STEM class has benefited her because that is what
her career is now. However, she still had to learn
how to write a paper and do summaries because even
in the science field you have to be able to
Then that.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
Could have been one of the things that she went
and did each day. Yeah, I think we are onto something.
I think we've just I think I think we have
just solved a lot of the world's problems. All Right,
we'll do the Gates and Trump stuff when we come back.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
It's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
So Trump did an event yesterday and Suckerberg and Gates
were there and people are outraged by it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah. You also had Tim Cook there, he's the Apple guy.
He is the Apple guy.
Speaker 4 (29:15):
And you had all sorts of CEOs from Oracle and
Blue Origin and Pallenteer and just all the all the
tech people were there. Right, it was like a Silicon
Valley thing reunion in the Rose Garden area.
Speaker 3 (29:30):
But the outrage from a lot of people, as they're saying,
and we saw this during the inauguration too, where these
guys were got the primo seats, is these guys hate you.
They did everything they could to not just defeat you,
but take you out, and.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Now you're opening the doors to them.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
Yeah, it's the and and it's hard to look. I'm
not a hardcore Trump supporter. I voted for Trump because
it was the one other option that I have. Right,
I've been Trump's I knew would be in definitely better
on the border, which he has been, and better on
foreign policy, which to some extent he has been on
that too. And that you know, obviously you've got two choices.
You got picked one of the two. I mean, you
(30:09):
don't have to, but you get what I'm saying. But
if you're a hardcore Trump person, you gotta be a
little taken aback by this.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Do you that this guy because he does this all
the time. He keeps.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Engaging or propping up or giving the VIP treatment to people.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
That try to destroy him.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Well, and if you're a hardcore Trump person who worked
very hard to get Trump elected, did you gotta be
looking at that going eh? I don't know.
Speaker 4 (30:39):
Yeah, it does signal somewhat of a realignment with big
Tech despite their past clashes.
Speaker 2 (30:44):
I have to note Elon Musk wasn't there. He declined
the imitations.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
He said a representative, you'd be there in his place
after they're public falling out. But is this a situation
of if you can't beat them, join them, because Tech
is always going.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
To be there.
Speaker 3 (31:02):
Sure, but I think there's a difference between we got
to work together and I'm rolling out the red carpet
for these people, right, I think there's I think there's
a and I think those guys at the inauguration was
a you know, I think that was a massive slap
(31:23):
in the face. By the way, the inauguration, wasn't it
brought to you by Google?
Speaker 4 (31:28):
Uh? Well here in Indiana that was here, Yes, it was, yes, Yeah,
there was a huge banners.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
Right, that's right at that thing we went to. I
bet we don't get invited to that. That's right to bet.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
That was the and I told you when we went,
I said, we got to go to this because I bet,
I say, and do something to get us uninvited from
this going forward. And aren't you glad we went now
because we're never getting invited again?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I called that one.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
But at the big Bronze ball there was a stage
and right behind the podium on the stage there was
a big screen and the screen was as flashing different sponsors.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
And Google was a big one. Also makes you wonder
about the connections to all the data centers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Well, that was where I was going to go with this,
which is because remember at the time, I think I
brilliantly said, why is Google sponsoring the Indiana Republican Party,
and well as with all things, yeah, there was a
clear answer, which is they want the giveaways for the
data centers in Franklin Township. And now, of course the
guy Alec Willis who had on yesterday said the one
(32:31):
in Monrovia is a Google related thing?
Speaker 2 (32:33):
Is Google?
Speaker 3 (32:34):
Well, so point at all this is these people are
not our friends. They're not friends of the American people.
They're not friends of Trump. They exist to make money.
They exist to enhance their their power, their footprint, their
dominance over people's lives. And you're right, though, Casey, we
(32:54):
are totally slaves to technology at this point.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
So many of the attendees they announced different projects were
investment that support Trump's goals on AI development, also manufacturing
and workforce automation.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
One of those people, wait, but how many of those
investments are backed up by foreign based workers.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's what really matters.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
People that are going to come into this country and
they are going to take these jobs from people from
other countries. That's always the thing when we talk about
investment now in our country, when these foreign or tech
based companies talk about investment in Indiana, investment in America. Yeah,
but how many of those jobs are guaranteed to go
(33:35):
to American workers.
Speaker 4 (33:36):
So Mark Zuckerberg was there and he said that his
company was going to invest at least six hundred billion
in the US over the next several years. And he
said it was to build out data centers and infrastructure
to power the next wave of innovation. When I heard
him say that, I kept thinking, you're not doing this
for me. You're doing this for you, of course, and
(33:58):
your company.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Now, look, there's some there's some thing to Hey, we
all are not all of us, but a lot of
us use Facebook.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
However, if you told me that Facebook.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Could go away, but I'd have more affordable water and electricity,
I'd take giving up Facebook. And you're right, they're a
for profit company. It's not like they're running a soup
kitchen over at Facebook.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
So another thing that happened yesterday was the.
Speaker 4 (34:25):
Health Secretary, Robert Kennedy Junior, testifying in front of the
Senate Finance Committee.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
And we gotta to talk about daycare because there's something
interesting going on right at daycare in India.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
Yes, that as well. You're listening to Kendall and Casey.
It is ninety three WYBC
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