Kendall & Casey Hour 2, 12-10-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (00:00):
The Republican Indie Star columnist has come out with the
piece in which he says he thinks redistricting is going down.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
He says he.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Expects senators are going to vote it down tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Could We'll get to that in a second, But first look,
I think there's some serious fraud going on in our
government case and we got to discuss it real quick,
you think, okay, so, and the fraud is that these
photos that they're posting of these lawmakers look nothing like
they look when you see them in Brazil.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
What's going on? Are they just old photos?

Speaker 1 (00:30):
I don't know Picasso got a hold of them or what.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
But so I saw this photo Jacob Sewart and he
starts his column coming out and he has this photo
of Rod Bray, he's the protim of the Senate. And
I saw it and I was like, who's the little
old man in his photo? And it's I assumed Knownice.
Holy smokes, that's Rod Bray. You look at Rod Bray's
official portrait and I don't know if that was because
it was taken during the Reagan administration or what, but

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it's this like, young, dark haired guy, you know, greats.
It looks like he could be a movie star. And
then I'm compared to that, to what I just saw
in this photo of him. I guess this is on
the Senate floor, glasses, hair mop down, much older, look
kicking than in that photo.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
Little salt and pepper going on.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Well, I think it went just straight to whatever's the
greatest thing you can think of. But then it's like
it Liz Brown, that wacky senator from Fort Wayne.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
She's the same way.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
She looks like droopy dog in person, and her photo
she looks like Marilyn Monroe.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
I've noticed that whenever Andy stars doing an article these days,
they like to use pictures from the property Tak's rally.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
At least we did something for someone with that.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
But my point is, whether it's Liz Brown or Bray,
you gotta look the way you look. You should have
to take a current photo every year and put it
up there so I know what's going on.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Okay, now they know?

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Or Lodd photo? Please? Uh getting away with this?

Speaker 2 (02:01):
Look at how young and vibrant I am, and then
you see it at person, You're like, WHOA.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
Well, I have to imagine this redistricting conversations, taking a
lot out of them it's a fight.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Well, it's a fight.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
They didn't want they were having to address something, but
they did didn't want to talk.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
Well, not all of them.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Well I would agree a guy like Rodbry, but look,
if you want to stign doing pro tim of the Senate,
he's arguing with the second most powerful person in the
state with you know what is the thing with great
power comes great ability, psibility to screw everyone over, or
whatever that's saying is you know what you're getting into
these people like Liz Brown. She's not doing this because
she she loves Donald Trump. She's doing this because she

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has a valid primary challenge up in Fort Wayne. She's
pissed off Rokita, she's pissed off Jim Banks. They're coming
at her with everything they have, and she knows she's
about to go down, and so she's smooching as much
Trump butt cheek as she possibly can, trying to get
people to think she is something she's not, which is
a conservative.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Well, and her fight with the Attorney General Todd Rokita
is continuing because she introduced an other immigration bill and
he's saying, hello, we had a stronger bill before, and
you shut that one down.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
It's not good.

Speaker 2 (03:06):
And by the way, look and we'll get to this,
Jacob Stewart call him an indie star here in just
a second. I think it's interesting. He's a Republican. He
worked for these guys in the Senate not all that
long ago. But Todd Rokeeda, if this fails, will be
the big winner out of this, because look, Todd Rokeita
has avoided for decades a real job like the plague.
He's not going to just not be Attorney General and

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go do something productive for society. So he is always
on the looking forward to his next political endeavor. And
if indeed this goes down, Brawn's two signature issues, property
taxes and now redistricting, will have failed miserably.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
He might as well just pack it up.

Speaker 2 (03:48):
Obviously, Micah Beckwith won't be able to get elected dog
catcher going forward. And so now that you're going to
create a giant void in the Republican Party. And unless
someone like Jim Banks decides that he wants to leave
Wash to know, he wants to be president and he's
on the on the trajectory and Senate leadership. So unless
somebody like that wants to run for governor, Todd Roketa

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becomes sort of the different acto. Yeah, I think the
early leader in the clubhouse. If you're going to start
naming names of people that are next up, because it
ain't going to be brawn.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well, a lot of people in the Republican Party like
Todd Roketa.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
They view him as a fighter.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
If you're into people who talk a lot and don't
accomplish much, Todd Rokeita is your guy. In fact, he
should put that on a sign. Talks a lot, doesn't
accomplish much. Anyway, there is a call him out in
Indie Star old pal friend of the show, Jacob Stewart
now Jacob though he does work for the Star, he
is a Republican. He worked for the Republicans in the
Senate before he came over to join the Indie Star.

(04:47):
And so what we're about to talk about you campin on.
Well that's the leftist Star. Right, always said, Ah, those
left he's in the Star headline.

Speaker 4 (04:54):
Oh they hired one.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
Well right, I mean, look, here's what I've always said
about about the Star.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
Their reporting is great.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
They do Caleb Dwyer, Haley, Colombo Briggs when he gets
involved with them, they're reporting They do so much good
reporting over there, and everybody should be cheering.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Because people are like, how could you be friends with
those people at the Star.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
I'm friends with lots of people in the media I
don't agree with politically, because we need as many eyeballs
on our state House and on these governments across Central
Indiana as we possibly can have because.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
They're all screwing.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
That's where they're a Democrat Republican and we should be
cheering for a robust, successful Indianapolis Star because they are
still the paper of record in this city.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
They're straight reporting is.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Excellent and look, we should be able to read people
politically we disagree with in opinion pieces and not have
any heurism over it.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Right.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Should you be able to see words on a paper
you don't agree with them, go okay, that's interesting. Didn't
think of it that way. Even if you think the
person's clinically insane, you should be able to read it
and process it and make you better.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
For some people case they can't do it, No, sometimes
they can't.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
One of the main points in this article from Jacob
Stewart is that he said that senators resent being pushed
around when it comes to this redistricting.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
So the title of the article is why the Senate
will likely reject earlier redistricting, and he believes it'll be close,
but he believes it's going to go down by a
vote or two. And he walks through having worked in
the Senate and having an understanding of how these people operate,
the mistakes that the YES people are making. And he
had reached out to me yesterday and he said, hey,
you know, you just dealt with these guys on an

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issue and it didn't go your way. Can you offer
some commentary on it? And you know what I basically
told in fact here, I'll just I'm in the article,
I'll read the quote.

Speaker 4 (06:42):
You're going to quote yourself.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
I'm going to quote myself. I'll do my narrator voice
and then quote myself up. Okay, just set it up
for Shalli.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Yeah, it's a repeat of the fight over property tax
cuts earlier this year, said Rob Kendall, a conservative radio
host who led the grassroots charge on that issue.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Where we screwed up with property taxes is we had
tens of thousands of people behind us, but not enough
targeted in each district. We couldn't overcome the power of
the local city officials or school districts. Kendall told me
the redistricting people are making the same mistake, except a
lot of their most vocal supporters don't even live in
the state. And I think in hindsight, and we talked
about this on State House Happenings today, Merit and Abdul

(07:22):
and I did is we trusted Braun. I trusted Braun.
The mistake that I made in hindsight was I listened
to them because they told me from all the way
back in the summer at twenty four when they were
begging for my endorsement, we got this. We need your help,
but we got this. We're gonna have this pack and
we're going to bring all this money in and we'll
tell you what we need and you just do it.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
And we got this.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So at all the points I was reaching out to them,
going a great example state of the state. Remember when
we had those hundreds and hundreds of people send us
their property tax bills.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
We took a lot of calls.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
Yeah, and we put that in. That was at therapy heest.
They said, give us some real people, some real numbers.

Speaker 4 (08:01):
We can bring data points.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
This is why I'm so mad at Braun. I we
did everything times ten. We were asked to do it.
In every turn, I was like, what else do you need?
What else can we do? Hey, shouldn't we be doing this?

Speaker 4 (08:14):
Nah?

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Man, We got it.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
It's good, we got it under control, when in hindsight,
what we should have done is totally bypassed Braun because
the lawmakers don't like him, they don't respect him.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
They don't like or respect.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Josh Kelly, his chief of staff, which is maybe the
biggest problem that Braun has. They certainly can't stand Micah
and think he's a complete joke and a goof.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
And we didn't realize any of this.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Right, we should have gone directly to these senators. We
should have targeted them directly. Hey, in this area, who
are the influential people that would be behind us. Who
are the people that we can send in there to
fight against the school corporations and the city governments. The
mistake we made is, Hey, yeah, tens of thousands of
people are calling them and emailing and whatever, but if

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they're not in their district, they don't care.

Speaker 4 (08:58):
Right.

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I spent many many hours sitting there getting all those
phone calls, writing all the numbers and names down and
the property tax bill increase, and then typed it all
up nicely and then turned it over to the Brawn administration.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So the mistake that the Yes pep won a many
that they're making is that at least ours were all
people who lived in Indiana. It's people who are hoosiers,
right right, It was all people that are paying.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
The property tax.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
The Yes people, their biggest supporters, their biggest Internet bullies, influencers, whatever,
are often people who don't even live in this state.

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Right.

Speaker 3 (09:35):
And that's another point that Jacob Stewart made in his
article is that there's a lot of distrust from the
outside lobbyists that are driving the effort.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Yeah, I mean, if I had it to do all
over agincause I remember this is I mean, obviously we
saw what a liar Micah became. I remember having a
conversation with Micah when that bill got introduced, and it
was like, you're looking like you're not sure which in
the Senate I'm talking about When the initial property tax
bill got released in the Senate and I called Mike
and I was like, hey, let me talk to so
and so, I know we don't agree on a lot,

(10:04):
but everybody's singing the same tune about property tax reform,
organizing me a meeting with this guy. We can sit
down with them, we can agree on this thing, and
then go our merry way.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Well they got this.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
Man, they don't they You know, we don't want to
rock the boat. If you're seen in there with them,
that they might. And you realized they weren't doing anything.
They weren't doing anything with this, And in hindsight, what
we should have done is taken the power players in
the legislature of themselves, the tippy top people and sort
of those influencers, and said, let's focus all of our
effort on these people because they will ultimately be the deciders.

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And so all those emails you sent, all those phone
calls you made to those people on the on the
committee that heard the original property tax bill if it
didn't have the right zip code, they just wiped their
butt cheeks with them.

Speaker 4 (10:50):
They don't care because they think this person's not voting
for me.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Exactly doesn't matter what the so the local school districts, Well.

Speaker 3 (10:56):
That's what Greg Good did though when he had that
town hall he said, you have to live in my
district and then.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Even though it's seventy to zero, he's like, I'm still undecided.
M that's neither here nor there. My point is, when
you want to pass something big as it relates to
Indiana politics and government and it's controversial, the blueprint is
in front of you. Now going forward, both on our
experience and now with these yes people who clearly are

(11:21):
nothing from you have to meet these senators where they're at,
and you have to meet them in their own cities,
in their own towns, with people that it can actually
move them. If you can't do that, If you can't,
and it's a big ask, right, it's a big lift.
But if you can't organize to do that, you might
as well pack it up because they're just going to
default to whatever the party leadership position is because that's

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the person that controls most of what they're able to.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
Do in the Senate.

Speaker 3 (11:45):
The caucus.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Yes, the caucus.

Speaker 3 (11:48):
Yeah, it is Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Look, you your personal time is your own business. But
I think it's a little weird you're scouring the obituaries.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
The obituaries. A new study was done from legacy dot
com and they were trying to come up with the
answer to what makes a life well lived? And they
reviewed thirty eight million obituaries to try to find the answer.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Oh, wowlifting job, Hey, you should meet our new higher
eight Harold.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
What's Harold's job? He has to scour all the obituaries.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
He's going to read thirty eight million obituaries and well,
what he found is that your life he's a guy, right.
What he found is that pretty much your entire life,
which is on average about four thousand weeks, gets compressed
down into roughly one hundred and seventy five words.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
That is interesting, isn't it. H Yeah, that is Yeah,
you're right.

Speaker 3 (12:50):
The top words that were used how many weeks they say,
it's four thousand weeks.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Four thousand weeks and all of that time comes down
to h e seventy five words.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Yeah, that's pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
The words that were mentioned the most in eighty percent
of obituaries were faithful and praying, Yeah, and benevolence and
caring for others was mentioned seventy six percent of the time.
And some of the other values that were a little
less emphasized but still mentioned in a lot of the
different obituaries were self direction and power.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
You know, we talked about this at one point. This
has been a while ago, but we talked about how
once your two generations removed from living, very few people
remember or talk about you, because it's any fault of
your own. But it's just like most people know their
parents and their grandparents, and then some are lucky and

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know their great grandparents. But after those people are gone, right,
are the memories fade or whatever? Then you just become
like a picture on somebody's wall, because it just the
way the time works. Now, there are some you know,
of our greatest Americans, the George Washington's or Abraham Lincoln's
who get statues and are remembered in you know, infamy
for uh or or others that are remembered in infamy.

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I should have said, like, well, my profile picture are
Benedict Arnold. But for the most part, people are really
a two are remembered no matter what you do on
this earth, for two or three generations, and then you
you disappear. And I remember this, and I like it's
so weird. And you obviously having an adult child now,

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but like when I was a kid, my grandmother had
this really cool palm up.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
In my room in her at her house.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
And the crux of the poem was talking about at
the end of your life, the only thing that will
really matter, one of the few things that will matter,
is that you made a difference in a life of
a child, right because then that child becomes an adult
and they remember you. And it's like, I think of
the impact and how my grandparents lived up to that
they've been dead ten years. I so fondly remember just

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everything about them and what they did for me and
what amazing people they were. And so by that statre,
my grandparents wore a resounding success because that's what they
desired to do. And I was thinking about this. Yesterday
we put the Christmas tree up. Yeah, and I said, okay,
I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
My dad came over.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
We did it while while Liviya was at daycare, and
I said, okay, when she gets home, I'm going to
have it up and have the lights on and have
the ornaments up. And she comes in the house, she's
two and a half. She comes in the house and
she walks in the room and sees the tree and
she just stares at it in amazement and gets the
biggest smile on her face. And the whole night she
was spent in that room, tweet tweete, you know, just

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and at.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
One point she just looks at me.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
She goes me like yeah, and it's like you look
at this going, this is life right, and you don't
You don't understand that until you experience and people can
tell you about it.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
People tell you amazing having kids is.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
People can tell you what a great joy it is
about how if you don't have kids, you know, and
some people tragically can't have kids, and that's no fault
of their own, but it just like that is life right,
Like all this other stuff we do. It's important, it's
a big deal. But what really matters in your life
is how you affect those who come after you who
are dependent upon you, because their better life will be

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the lasting legacy. And then how they remember you to
others is the way that you live on and that
judges how you were on this earth.

Speaker 3 (16:31):
When I had my daughter, When I growing up, I
always tell my mom, I love you, thank you for everything.

Speaker 4 (16:35):
You know, You're wonderful.

Speaker 3 (16:36):
But it wasn't until I had my own child, and
I can remember she was only three or four days old,
and I was writing thank you notes to the baby
gifts that we had received, and I wrote one to
my mom and I said, thank you. I never knew. Yeah,
like you don't realize it until you're in that position.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
Yeah, And so that is interesting that you brought that
article up, because it's something that I'm working through and
like talking. Many times, I keep this daily journal for
my daughter, and sometimes it's hey, there are all sorts
of important things that happen. Some days it's just a
quick abc and sometimes if there's nothing big, I will
talk about like little life lessons or things that is
happening in the moment in our family, or things that

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are happening around our family or in the world, and say,
here's what I hope you learn from this years from
now when you read these these journal entries, and what
you really realize. I mean, it's always in front of you,
right that your time is finite. It's not infinite, right,
But as you get you inter middle age and then

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you have children, you really realize, like, two things you're
going to be kind of remembered for on this earth
are how you treated those you were responsible for, and
that could be not just your children, but as your parents'
age or you know, grandparents' age or whatever, how you
treated those people who were dependent upon you in the

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life you were able to give them that they couldn't
give themselves. And the works that you do on this
earth side of your commitment to the Lord, but the
physical works that you do on this earth, and how
that helped people who couldn't necessarily help or speak for themselves.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
So, among the thirty eight million obituaries that they reviewed,
there were some differences in gender. Men were remembered for achievement, power,
and conformity, and their values shifted with age. Women were
remembered for caring and pleasure, and their values stayed the
same over their lifetime. Some other themes that popped up

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a lot were education, military service, family connections. Men's obituaries
were slightly longer than women's, and older people got a
more detailed ride up than younger people.

Speaker 4 (18:53):
All Right, should we.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Talk about the you and I were moving?

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Obviously it's the last it's the last day at WIBC.
We're cleaning out our offices. Should we talk about the
cleaning conundrum that I that I have you have? Yeah,
that I mean, well, I mean it's already been decided.
But you and I got in this conversation about what
to do with some of the.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Stuff, huh, that you've collected that I've collected over the years.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Yeah, see what's Oh it was, Oh my gosh, it's
just stuff was everywhere, but there was a couple of
specific things. I thought this would be an interesting conversation
for our audience to engage in and see what they
think about it.

Speaker 3 (19:29):
All right, it's Kendilly Casey, It's ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 4 (19:35):
Left and I over the past.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Couple of days had it interesting. What what are you
laughing at?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
I'm laughing at the song choice from Kevin Everything you
Own in the box to the left.

Speaker 2 (19:48):
Kevin's did a great job to do with farewell songs
and losing your stuff and everything else. It is our
last day here at forty Monument Circle. What has been
twenty seven plus years agoing in twenty eight years, I
think they've been here at forty Monuments Circle.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
So we're told, yeah, we're.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Told who knows right, it's it's radio, so who does?
But we're playing on me at the new studio tomorrow.
Obviously an end of an era for WIBC. The programming
is not gonna change, at least as far as we know.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
They invited us. They invited us to the new building.

Speaker 5 (20:15):
So uh.

Speaker 2 (20:16):
But anyway, one of the things, and we mentioned this
before the past couple of weeks, they gave us a
drop dead data. You got to have all your stuff
out of your office by a certain period of time.
Now you had like three things in there, right, so
travel light It was very easy. Now me over the
nine years.

Speaker 3 (20:32):
Fit in this industry for a while, rob By travel light.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
Me because I've been here nine years. I and I
started doing this when I was with the Chicks. People
would just send us stuff, right, They would sort of
send them stuff and they would include me on it.
And so I was so honored that people would send
me stuff. I said, well, I'm I don't know any
actual working around here, so I don't need a desk
to work. I'm just going to create a spread of
museum of all the all the stuff that people have

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sent me or given me.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
And it was pretty cool.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
I mean up until here a week ago, I had
it in full full force and it was a really cool,
like display of of all of this history. Yeah, I mean,
and then I always a picture of my family and
you know, my wife, my daughter, and and all these
other things out there and concert posters from things I've
gone to. And man, the one thing I hated I'm
gonna lose is that Inglorious Bastards poster. That was an

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awesome poster.

Speaker 4 (21:24):
Yeah, it's a cool one, keV.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
You're an Glorious Bastards fan. I know.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Yeah, that's my favorite Tarantino movie.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's the it was the the the the baseball bat
that the guy used and uh, and then it's got
the barber war with the blood coming off of it,
and it's it's got a Nazi helmet on it and
it said once upon a time in Nazi occupied France.

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I hate that. I'm gonna lose that. But my wife,
she was like, you're not bringing all that stuff home
with you?

Speaker 3 (21:49):
No, you're not.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
I was like, well, what, guy, So you don't even
know much. I've been to your desk, I know.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
So I was been trying to come with all this stuff.
Would you like to show like, I mean, this is
just a taking some of the very important stuff home
that I wanted to keep, stuff from my childhood, other
stuff that was very important to me. But like some
of the things, just to give another people idea of
a variety in hodgepodge. On the YouTube feed, you can
see this Casey holding up this retro ten seventy WIBC

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mesh cap yep. I'm guessing that's probably from the eighties,
would be my guess, maybe the early nineties.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
It's at one time it was white.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Time, it was a white it's a little cream color.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I love to keep all of this stuff. I just like,
there's just no room for it. Like I just my
wife give me very strict instructions. We cut a deal
in what I could bring up. Yes, Casey would look
great on you.

Speaker 4 (22:39):
Okay, it actually kind of cute.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Well you can have it.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Congratulations, it's a piece of radio memorabilia yours. You've got
what this hill? This is a this is a great one.
You know who gave me that? Chris Spangle, a friend
of the show, gave me that. It's a McAfee. John McAfee,
who is a complete nutbag, the guy who invented McAfee
anti virus software, ran for president on the Libertarian ticket
in twenty sixteen. I was a huge McAfee fan because

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he was a complete screwball, and I thought it was
great for politics.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That lifeless.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yeah, it's a maca McAfee button. This Hillary Clinton mask
with the eyes out of it.

Speaker 1 (23:14):
You can put it on.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah, there's there's actually photos of Casey with the mask on.
She's now putting it on the YouTube feed.

Speaker 3 (23:20):
Well, they put the mask on and I stood next
to the life size cutout of Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (23:24):
Yeah, right, kind of scary.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Speaking of Donald Trump, there's a little what would you
call this with some.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Sort of like stam sty but it's like a bust
and it says hey liberals, and he's giving a giant
middle finger.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
And then on the other side it says, hey, media.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I still wish I could keep that. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
And then last I have a got a Trump.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
No, it's a chicks on it. Well, it's Trump, but.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Twenty twenty chicks on the right because conservatism needs a makeover.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
What is that? That's what do they call those? Is
that a tumbler?

Speaker 4 (23:55):
Yeah, it's coffee tumbler.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
It's actually really nice.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Rock you Well you can have it. I know you're
a big on the right fan before you got here.
So my point is like, there's just so much and
I collected all this stuff, and I loved how it
was displayed.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
And so you know, I'm having to get rid of
all this stuff. What are we going to take give
it away at Radio Thon?

Speaker 5 (24:10):
What are we?

Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (24:11):
And that said, we should take it all down to
Radiothon at Sullivan's with us on Friday. And if we
have any listeners that come by and we want.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Some of my stuff, yeah, okay, Well we'll.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Put it on a table and you could depict.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Okay. So I took some of the stuff home.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
I gave a bunch of the photos, like to my
mom because she won a bunch of photos of Livy
that already had, so I didn't, you know, obviously need
two of them. And then I have this collection stuff
we're gonna take to Radiothon. And then there was this
one thing and you and I got in a conversation
about this, and I thought, well, this would be fascinating
to converse about on the air. So in my ensemblest stuff,
I mean we're talking hundreds of items, right.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Anybody who's seen this stuff? And I was thrown around.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
I had Two years ago, I engaged in a social experiment,
uh huh with a lovely young lady, and she was
artist on the side, and she was phenomenally talented and
created many, many great pieces of art.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
And I pretended to be interested in it, and.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
She gave me two of these really cool pieces of
art that she did not Again, this is way before
I met my wife. This was years ago, and as
part of the ensemble stuff that I just kept over
the years, right that I just had. It was just
thrown in there, and you and I got any conversation
because they're really cool pieces of art, like they're very
well done. Yes, and I'm not even an art person.

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I told you, I said, I can't bring that home,
can I?

Speaker 3 (25:36):
No, absolutely not. You cannot bring that home, especially when
your wife has already told you you can't bring that
stuff home. She is talking about this bus from Donald
Trump of Donald Trump, or this WIBC baseball hat that
you'll never wear. She certainly does not want gifts from
an ex brought to her house. No, no, Rob, Well, it.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Wasn't like I had it because this person had any
you know, meaning to me. I haven't heard this person
in years. It was just they were really cool pieces
of art, and I was like, I don't even get
rid of that do. I it's a cool piece of art.
I'll just leave it here.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
On my desk.

Speaker 3 (26:14):
You should have gotten rid of it.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yes, it's like I stirred it every day and was like, oh,
that person meant so much to me.

Speaker 4 (26:19):
I know.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
They were just two pieces of art in a collection of.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
Many of things.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
However, it was given to you from someone that you
had a past relationship, but from years ago. Huh but
from years ago, so you don't believe you.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So I could assure you it was But so you
said I have to get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
I was like, well, I hate to throw this away
because it's very well done.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
I know you want to hold on to it so
bad because of your love for the art.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And so the most eclectic person I know is Kevin.
So I gifted them to Kevin.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
Oh so now Kevin can have your ex girlfriend's art work.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
Girlfriend's a strong word.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
Yeah, okay, I acquiesced the pieces. You probably couldn't tell,
but I was nearly brought to tears and how we're
fined those.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Really good Yes, thank you, they're really good numbers.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
It's not that good.

Speaker 3 (27:14):
You guys are acting like this is like a renoir
or something.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
What are you gonna do with the art? Are you
taking it home? Do you have a desk at the
cylinder file?

Speaker 5 (27:23):
So I actually have, so I have that cubby above
my desk. I've got it in there for now. Yeah,
but I'm gonna bring it home at some point. Okay,
probably hang it up, probably reframe it.

Speaker 4 (27:31):
We don't.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
We don't have any like desk at the new place.
That's part of why I get rid of all this stuff, right,
like and and and there's like you get a locker.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
I was like, I'm gonna put in a lot, but
you have a desk.

Speaker 4 (27:44):
Put some artwork in a locker. See if you can
hold on to it.

Speaker 5 (27:47):
You have a you have a desk, right, I'll have
the little production studio. I mean, I have a desk here,
but obviously, but at the new place, I don't think
i'll have an actual desk.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
We have nothing at the new place. They're like, it's
gonna be so great. I was like, great, for who
I have nothing there.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
I have all sorts of cool stuff here, all of
these things that people have given me over the years,
and now I have to get rid of all of it.

Speaker 3 (28:06):
Well, right now, you're going to give it to somebody
who wants it at radio thoughts on Friday, some.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Lucky Should we give it in a group or should
we like some grand prize winner, like if you give
a certain amount of money, that we give you all.

Speaker 3 (28:18):
Of robst I think we should just have a table
and let people pick through your emotions.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
If they've won something, they.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Can have it. Since you've held on to these things
for so many of.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
You, gotta admit, though you had to see this every
single day. That was a really cool the way I
had it all put out there. I mean, it was
a really.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Have everything displayed nicely. It was a real question were
these gifts all purely sentimental?

Speaker 4 (28:47):
What was going on here? What was the attachment with
the art? Org?

Speaker 1 (28:50):
I love our audience.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
That's why I kept no, I said, the artwork. I
kept it the same way kept everything else people had
sent to me. Right like, I don't like, I don't
like again. I feel like you're hearing in your advance
stage and I get look sixty three is not as
young as you used to be.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Uh huh.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
But I'm telling you, just like with everything else, it
was all part of an on.

Speaker 3 (29:10):
It was piled up.

Speaker 4 (29:11):
Was the collection?

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yes, yeah, I got you, so keV, You're welcome. Thank you,
Merry early Christmas.

Speaker 4 (29:17):
Thank you.

Speaker 5 (29:18):
Yeah, these these pieces are Rembrandt esque, so I really
I really love it.

Speaker 1 (29:22):
Right all right, Hammer's next.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
It's Kenderlly Casey. It's ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Quote from Jason Allen Hammer Casey looks like the hottest
lot lizard ever.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
I'm wearing the WYBC trucker hat.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
That looks like something Big John Gillis would have had
on back in the day right there.

Speaker 4 (29:43):
Like it's a little.

Speaker 6 (29:44):
Faded white hat and the net background, the bills a
little dirty like that bad boy has probably been worn
by Big John Gillis and Tom Severina.

Speaker 3 (29:54):
I didn't even look to see if it's stained on
the inside. Let me check, Oh there's a ring. No, No,
nobody was wearing makeup. Who had this on?

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Now? I believe it changed that right now?

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I bet it wasn't, because I believe I got that
from my dear friend John Raybold, who is a Indianapolis,
Indiana music historian. His house is basically a tribute museum
to Indiana radio, and I believe he gave that to
me at one point, So I would bet it's in
pretty tiptop shape.

Speaker 6 (30:20):
It says, we're kind of going down this little trip
down nostalgia lane here. Can I just say the one
thing that I miss And I get why they changed it,
But a number of years ago, when we went away
from that awesome Top of the Hour iconic do, they
tried to make it more modern.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
I get it.

Speaker 6 (30:38):
They didn't want WBC to sound like the old guy station.

Speaker 1 (30:42):
But man, I missed that. Like when you hear that Top.

Speaker 6 (30:45):
Of the Hour, you know Radio Indiana, Dude, the hair
on your arm stands up.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
That was so good.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Well I would say you should go find it and
play it today, But well that system's broken.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
We have no archives, there's nothing left. It's all over.
So I'm curious to get your perspective on this last segment.
Casey and I were talking about, you know, I had
that fabulous collection of stuff.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
On my desk.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
It was just just a pile of stuff that people
had given me and whatever over the years, listeners, whatever.
And one of the things that Casey said I could
not I could not take with me. I had to
get rid of is years ago, well before I met
my wife, a person I was engaged in a social
experiment with gave me two pieces of art. That's what

(31:28):
she did for her, Like hobby was art, and so
I just had it and kept it with me, and
it was and there was a good cool piece of
art because like, oh, I want to see that person
or be around. There's just two cool pieces of art
that fit the hodgepods of stuff that I had on
the you know, in the ensemble in my office. And
Casey said, absolutely not. You can't take that home, even
if you really like the piece of art. And I said,

(31:49):
I guarantee Hammer will say I could take that home.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
I feel like I'm missing some context here.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Were you dating the artist? Did you hook Upeah?

Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's what I'm saying, Like I was a you know okay,
you said like social experiences.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
For a family orient appropriate to me, Like I'm an
actual guy.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
For five seconds here you were banging this chick that
did art you wanted to hear to take it home?

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Is that what we're talking about?

Speaker 6 (32:08):
Can you just be a human for five seconds to
dork because of this, you know what, go ahead and.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
Take it home. Take it home. I hope you tick
off your wife. I gave it to Kevin. I give
it to Kevin. How was the art, Kevin? Was it
like tasteful?

Speaker 3 (32:22):
It's very tasteful.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
What is the art like?

Speaker 4 (32:25):
What is it?

Speaker 6 (32:26):
There's one that's.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Like a collage and it's got different public figures mixed
in there.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
It's a painting of the sun, like an artistic painting
of the sun. Yeah. I mean it's really good stuff.
So let me go to Casey.

Speaker 6 (32:39):
Then let's say that one of Rob's exes had an
actual copy of the Declaration of Independence. It's worth a
bunch of money. Is you're not allowed to take that
home either?

Speaker 4 (32:47):
Well that's different. No it's not.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
It's the same theory.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
No, that's that's something historical for the country he's talking about.

Speaker 6 (32:54):
Your argument is that it came from this woman, so
you can't take it home.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
I think he's got you, keV. Can I have the
art back?

Speaker 3 (33:04):
I would say, well, yeah, you did, you got.

Speaker 6 (33:07):
I said, the art becomes irrelevant in your argument because
it's about who made it.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
Yeah, it's about the emotional attachment that he has.

Speaker 1 (33:14):
To have no emotional attachment to it.

Speaker 2 (33:16):
I just like, because it was a cool looking piece
of art, I could ever set her out thought, Oh
this makes me think of whatever. It's just like if
a guy off the street had given it to me,
I would have felt the same way about it.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
It's just a cool heart.

Speaker 6 (33:27):
Yes, you look at all the crap I had in there.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Look way you're wearing.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
On the top of your head casey, what happened to
my courtroom sketches? I gave them to you.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
I did have them until yesterday, and then I very
clearly asked you, uh, do you want these courtroom sketches
of Gabe of Gabe Whitley and that she'll.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
Allow him to take home.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
No.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
She specifically said, don't be bringing any of your crap home.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
We don't have any room for it.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
Yeah, that's it's gonna be interesting where we uh set
up shop tomorrow if that's when we start.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Are you bringing anything home with you?

Speaker 4 (34:00):
What do you so?

Speaker 6 (34:01):
I brought like picture Brews, you know, the pictures and
the booze. The booze is sponsored, by the way, by
our good friends and Thompson Furniture.

Speaker 4 (34:07):
Mattress, so it has to come over.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 6 (34:09):
So I think what we're gonna do is take the
fridge that we have, put it in the air studio,
but put a lock on it. Oh yeah, So that
way those no good weekend bums can stay out of it,
and poor people like Rob can stay out of it too.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
I do love that at Duels, to its credit, has
uh cleaned almost his entire office out. I don't know
how many storage lockers he ended up getting for all
of those comic books. Dude, it went from like embarrassing
to just bad, like it's not good yet.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
It's not good yet.

Speaker 6 (34:38):
No, like anybody else would say, oh my god, clean
this office. But compared to what it was before, hey,
he cleaned it up pretty good.

Speaker 1 (34:44):
It was a Hoarders episode.

Speaker 3 (34:46):
You know why, because his wife said, don't bring head stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
He kept it at work. What are you doing this afternoon?
What's going on?

Speaker 6 (34:53):
So if it's the final show in this building, we'll
take a little trip down memory lane. I don't know
if it is or not. If and then uh, we've
got Tony Kennett calling in and we're counting down. I
guess it's twas the night before the redistrict choice. We'll
find out what the what the temperature is?

Speaker 3 (35:09):
All right, thank you hammer. It is Kendally Casey on
ninety three w y b C.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
You me good