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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So everybody's doing the curfew these days, and I don't
know if that's going to work out as well as
they think or hope it is. And in the case
of our president, now he's just taking over an entire
major metropolitan area.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, we'll get to both of those things.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
So yesterday President Trump he pledged to make DC safe, smart,
and beautiful. This all happened during a White House press conference.
So he signed a memorandum to activate the DC National Guard.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, and he's doing this because what violence and tomfoolery
is even by what Look Washington, d C. You'll back
me up on this case. It's a pretty crummy place.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Parts of it. Yeah, it could be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean that's some saying, like you get in your
mind these great visuals, which they are. They're incredibly you know,
Lincoln Memorial.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, Washington Monument, everything, all.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of these things, right, and they're incredible things. And if
you've never been to Washington, d C. I drove by,
I've ever told you this story. This is how wasteful
our government is. This was one of the many reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That oh, when you were on the licensing board, Yeah,
this is one of the rob Kendall origin stories where
they the state made me when I was the pharmacy board,
what I was the head of the pharmacy board, They
made me go on a trip to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I told them, like, there's nothing I'm going to
learn there that is of any value to this that
we're doing here in terms of serving people, Like I'd
be far more valuable to the taxpayers to just sit
here and help our understaffed customer service reps answer phones
and process paperwork, you know, because that's who we serve. No,
(01:40):
you have to go, But why because we've always gone.
That doesn't really seem like a a good reason and
be a great use of tax payer money. But I
went by force, got in my automobile and charioted myself
halfway across the country and went for two days. In
very brief amount of time I got to walk around
(02:01):
down there, because, as I said, it was a complete
waste of time.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
When what's that that you went? What year was that?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Oh? That had been twenty fourteen a thing, okay, so
that predates the zoom meetings or teams.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Something you could have done online.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They'd have telephones back then, though they did have for
any information that would have been would have been pertinent.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What time of year was it, Oh it was fall.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Ish late, No, it was it was some late summer.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ish, it was past the cherry blossom season.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Uh yeah, again like just but the point is it
was it was fine. But you're very aware when you're
down there, there's certain areas, certain alleys you ought not
be turning in. And as it has been more than
a decade since I've been there, I'm only guessing it's
gotten progressively worse, just a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Trump cited total lawlessness with youth gangs on ATVs and
entire neighborhoods that have emergency curfews.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
He said his efforts are going to.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Include removing trash fete, repairing broken marble panels, and cleaning
up the homeless.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, okay, but does the federal government do anything? Well?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Is what?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Are we gonna have? The National Guard cleaning up the homeless?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
He said that the one hundred to two hundred troops
are going to support law enforcement with administrative, logistical, and
physical to the rest.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
To the babysitters, how'd that go? In Iraq? The National
Guard as babies just look, it's fine if you're going
to say a single event like oh, I don't know,
say the riots of twenty twenty, if you know there's
going to in a moment or a day or days
or whatever, be the potential for mass chaos and calamity.
And you're saying, hey, we're shutting everything down like should
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have been done here in twenty twenty. That's okay, no
problem with it. But they're not designed to be infinite
baby setters. And what does that say about your city?
You're not addressing the root cause? Because what sort of
visual is that, Hey, come see us, it's great here,
(04:06):
it's so safe. We got to run out the National
Guard to keep things under control. The visual that I mean,
it's horrible. And until you address the root cause, whether
it's there or whether it's here, this is just some
bizarro band aid that may or may not even actually help.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Said troops are going to work alongside DC police and
also federal law enforcement. And everybody is saying, but crime
is being reported to be down in DC and the
Genine Piro former Fox Yes she had a crime.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I got in trouble for saying she was the mouthy
lady on Fox News. Yeah, somebody abad at me about
it was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
She had a comment about that when she was asked
about crime being down in DC.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Why now, because you know it may be down, but
the question is always down from What if we had
the fourth largest homicide rate, highest homicide rate in the
country years ago, all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It goes down.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
People want to pat themselves on the back. No way
talk to any of the crime victims. I was just
at a college a couple of weeks ago where I
had photos of young kids who were victims of homicides
of shootings, and it happens over and over again. It's
not okay because it's down from last year. It's bad.
This is a nation's capital, this is a shining city
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on the hill. We're not going to tolerate it. People
are afraid to come to this city.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Ye, but what is the city now. It's the home
of a cesspool of rotten, corrupt people who regularly put
themselves and their own interest ahead of the American people.
That's what that city does, that's who it houses. So
don't give me this moral high horse, bs when that's
the core of your existence is bloated, inefficient, ineffective government
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that regularly rewards donors and lobbyists and power over the
people that it's elected to serve. Don't give me some
more high horse argument about how we must do this
or we must do that on behalf of that. You're
doing that on behalf of yourself.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So Donald Trump gave a little story about something that
his father told him when he was young.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
City. You know, my father always used to tell me
I had a wonderful father, very smart, and he used
to say, son, when you walk into a restaurant and
you see a dirty front door, don't go in because
if the front door is dirty, the kitchens dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Also, same thing with the capital.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
You are, capital is dirty. Our whole country is dirty,
and they don't respect us. So it's a very good question.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It sounds to me like he's using the uh, you know,
the Rudy Giuliani move of the broken window, like clean
it up and then the crime will go away.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's fine that there's nothing wrong with that, or pressing
for a better, more efficient nation's capital. But as long
as there is an element of local control about that,
you're not going to solve that. You have to have
all hands on deck, all hands on board, everybody moving.
I always heard of describe as everybody moving with their
hand on the football in the same direction, and you're
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not You're not gonna have that. I mean, you can
spin it back here with that budget meeting last night
with the City of Indianapolis one point seven billion, and
it's not going to make a damn bit of difference.
They could be three billion. It wouldn't make any difference
because you don't have the same people pulling in the
same position for the same desired outcome. And thus, you know,
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Braun couldn't loose to the National Guard here. It wouldn't
make the city any better. I mean, sure, maybe for
pockets in moments, but you can't have about twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week, and if a
bunch of them are doing administrative work anyway, it's just
it's it's a societal thing, it's a governmental thing, and
it's a belief system thing, and it's just we don't
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have the will in most of our major metropolston cities
now because they've been overrun by crazy people and a
lot of the decent people have gotten out to the
political will to fix the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, so what is Indianapolis's answer to crime? It is
to pass updated curfew hours for minors.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now did they They did not. They passed the hours,
but not the fines of the.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Correct So the hours go into effect immediately for the
next one hundred.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And twenty days.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
If you're fourteen or under, you have to be indoors
by nine pm daily ages fifteen through sixteen. It's nine
pm on weekdays, eleven pm on weekends. Seventeen year olds
are not affected by the curfew.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, so let's review what happened last night at the budgeting.
First of all, people in the room, multiple people told
me this. Joe hawks I gave his speech last night
that led multiple people to believe he is probably running
for a fourth term as the mayor of the City
of Indianapolis. Yeah, and that makes sense. He's still actively
out fundraising and he still has a iron clad grin
(09:00):
on the city. And think about this, This is why
when we talk about Indianapolis being a lost cause. Last night,
the Republican six of them renem Michael Paul Hart as
the leader of the Republican caucus in the in the
on the city County Council. There's six of them. It's
nineteen to six. Is the numbers they can't do anything,
they can't affect anything. And we've been very critical of
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Michael Paul Hart for not being hard enough on hog Set. Right,
So we're not saying this is Michael Paul Hart super fans.
We're not, you know, giving gobs of money to his
reelection bids or causes whatever. But they removed him because
he had been too hard on hog Set. Maori and
the Knee and the rest of those guys other than
(09:43):
Josh Bain were mad that of the brief and very
relatively ineffective statements or positions that Michael Paul Hart had
taken that were counter counter to hog Set, well, that
was too much for them. And so now he's out
as the leader and they put that Brian Mowory guy
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in charge, which means it is just a rubber rubber
stamps are us.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Whatever hog Set wants you have given, we have given
over this city.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Everyone knows the problems of hogs Set. We don't have
to revisit him again personally, the problems of hog Set. Professionally,
it's been on full display. And yet even the Republicans
are like, hey, can't can't go on hog Set. What
does he have on everybody.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Not.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is the question to keep asking. What does this miserable,
rotten failure have on anybody? On everybody? Does he have
nudes of everyone? I mean what like? What? What? What
is it? Why will no one stand up to this guy?
In the Democrat caucus, you stand up to hawks that
you get thrown out, asked Jesse Brown. In the republic
in the Republican caucus, you stand up to hogs that
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you don't get thrown out. I guess because they don't
have enough of them to throw people out, but you
get demoted? What what is going on?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Sometimes you have to issue an apology.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Even Marion County's a lost cause. All right, let's take
a break.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It is Kendall in Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, coming up next second, but we got a big guest.
Joe Berlinger is going to be our guest. He's got
a brand new documentary out on Netflix. It's called Conversations
with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes, and so
that's all about Alan Berkowitz. So we will interview him
coming up next. But first there is big drama with pizza.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's right, So Andy had its first pizza festival and
it's facing some backlash over what took place. It was
held over the weekend. A monument circle drew abound four
thousand attendees. Tickets cost thirty dollars for unlimited pizza samples,
and there was voting on who had the best pizza
in town. But a lot of people were very disappointed.
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There were long lines prevented some people from getting their
food or getting any pizza at all, and there was
some crowd congestion. There wasn't a lot of water to
be passed out, no clear lines. It was I guess,
just one giant mega line. And the organizer has come out,
Tommy Barret say his name. He's a local TikTok personality.
(12:10):
He's organized the event and he admitted to some of
the crowd issues, said that thirty two hundred people arrived
in the first ninety minutes of the event and that
they've got some learning to do.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
The twenty twenty five Indianapolis Pizza Festival is in the
books for the first time. Everybody at a festival dedicated
strictly to pizza in the city of Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Three things today, One.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
I thank you, two congratulations and three what everybody's here
for addressing, feedback, understanding how to make it better for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
First, thank you. Thank you to every.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
Single vendor, sponsor, volunteer personally I walked through that gate.
Thank you to anybody that had a touch point for
this festival. There were a lot of hardworking people there
all day long, So thank you so much. Number two
to Shindig. Shindig, you want a five thousand dollars check
and forever known for the first time at the indianapospizecea
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festival that you were going to the best pizza. Number
two was Brooklyn Shaw shout out to death, twenty five
hundred dollars check coming your way. And third was Black
Sheep and I cannot forget to mention that they decided
to donate back. Number three, which everybody's here for and
I understand that. So it's going to be the majority
of the video. Number three is feedback and understanding and
addressing things that happened at the festival. First, let's talk
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about the passion for pizza that you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So he goes on, Yeah, he goes on to defend
the festival and he says that it was a learning experience.
They planned a return next year, but he stated that
there will be no refunds issued.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But he did everything, but the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He got to it eventually.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well that's why, Like, so, what's he doing. He's not
giving any by their money back then had an unpleasurable experience,
and the guy's like, well.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Too bad, Yep, we'll get it right next year.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, okay, so the issue here was what the lines
at the event.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So it was open for six hours, but you know
he's saying that so many people showed up within the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
First hour and a half. Okay, they weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, okay, And I don't think amy saying there's any
ill intent here. But wouldn't common sense tell you, if
you have a food driven event, now you go to
these things, a food driven event, that people are most
likely to attend the food driven event at the time
they would are most used to eating food, which would
be a lunchtime. Right, This should not probably have been
a surprise that you would have the most amount of
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customers or patrons or whatever to your event during the
time at which they are normally used to eating lunch.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, it seems to me though he did say that
there were some growing pains they planned to make improvements
for next year.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So Kando is going through the three step process.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, here's what was a ticket? What did you have
to pay?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thirty dollars?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thirty dollars? See, okay, here's my question on this, just
from a pure financial nuts and bolt standpoint. How much
pizza would you have to eat to have thirty dollars
dollars of pizza? A lot? That's a lot of pizza.
I mean you could get you get Domino's, can get
like an entire large carryout for six or seven ninety nine. Okay,
that's that's what four of those right? Who's eating four
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large pizzas? Now, I get there's variety and the blah
blah blah and whatever. I'm just saying from a pure
and I also understand another thing like that that that's
it's not always just you know, dollars dollars out of
experience or whatever part.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Of the proceeds. We're going to go to the United
Way of Central Indiana as well.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, very good, Well, all right, are you gonna go
next year? Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Would you?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
If you?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, let me praise like this we've got a beut
a minute left here. Would if you had a negative
experience like these people apparently did, and somebody gave the
video that that guy just gave where it appeared item
number seventy eight was the corrective the Dolge action, right,
Would you have any faith that it's gonna be better
next year? Would you pay thirty dollars again after you'd
had a bad extent?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, that's my point, But I would be interested to
see what changes they do implement.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I'm yes. Anyway, I'm with you one hundred percent.
All right, so let's take it right. When we come back,
we are scheduled to speak with Joe Berlinger. He is
He is the filmmaker for the new documentary three part
Netflix series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes. Well,
hope to connect with him when we come back.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
There is a new documentary out on Netflix. It's a
three part series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of
Sam Tapes, and it is fascinating. It's Kennelly Casey Show.
I'm Rob Casey's here joining us now in the WIBC hotline.
Joe Berlinger. He is the Emmy Award winning, an OSCAR
nominated filmmaker who put it together. Joe.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Hello, Hey, nice to talk to you guys. How you
doing great?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So tell us about this three part docuseries, Conversations with
the Killer The Son of Sam Tapes. Tell us what
it's all about.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yeah, Well, I have an ongoing series at Netflix called
Conversations the Killer. Previous seasons have been Ted Bundy, John
Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer. This season, season four is David
Berkowitz The Son of Sam. The series revolves around recordings
by the serial killer, around the commission of the crime.
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So these were tapes that were we've discovered that were
recorded in nineteen eighty and so we tell the whole
story of Son of Sam, and young people may not
Younger people may not remember the story or you know,
or the condition of New York City at the time.
But New York City in the mid seventies was just
an utter wreck. It was going through a financial crisis.
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Half the police force was laid off. There was ramp
and crime like you can't imagine. The city was in
a state of disrepair and into this healthscape walked a
random shooter, David Berkowitz, who called himself the Son of Sam.
And he would stick a gun into the car window
of young couples, you know, making out in a lover's lane,
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you know, very very random shootings. And he ended up
killing six Injuring seven and it took a year for
him to be caught, and New York was gripped in
fear like like it never has been, you know, people,
even though statistically the chance of getting shot, you know,
in the city of seven million people was low. Literally
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the city was paralyzed.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Hey hey, Joe, real quick, I was just gonna ask you.
I just want to introduce you again. Our guests were
just shooting at Joe Burlinger. He's the Emmy Award winning,
an OSCAR nominated filmmaker. His brand new docuseries, Conversations with
the Killer The Son of Sam tapes available on Netflix.
How do you get these tapes? Because every one of
these series you've done on the aforementioned famous serial killers
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is fascinating. How do you come into these tapes?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
You know a lot. I have to be honest. I
wish I could say that I'm some amazing detective who's
dug up amazing material. But the first time we did
this for Ted Bundy, an author named Stephen Michaux who
wrote a book that came out in nineteen eighty nine,
you know, called Ted Bundy Conversations with a Killer, reached
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out to me because he had, before this book that
came out in nineteen eighty nine, he had audio recordings
of Bundy that he used for his research. He interviewed
Bundy on death row before shortly before his execution, and
turned it into a book. And in twenty eighteen, so
decades later, he was a fan of my film Paradise Lost,
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and he reached out and he said, hey, I found
these tapes in my closet cleaning out my office. You know,
they were my research tapes from my book. Do you
think there'd be an interesting documentary there? And I said, well,
you know, Ted Bundy has been told many times, but
you know, let me take a listen to the tapes.
And I was fascinated with the point of view and
the perspective that the tapes. So I pitched it to Netflix,
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not even sure that they would want to do something
like this, and it ended up being the number one
show on Netflix that year. Number one documentary show, and
so they've asked for more and once once that show hit, Like,
you can't believe how many people reach out to me
and say, hey, I have these tapes of the serial killer,
you know, and some of the tapes are just not
worth you know, I don't find that I've turned some
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people down because the tapes aren't that revealing. But the
ones that I say yes to are these incredibly revealing recordings.
You know, generally speaking, serial killers are unreliable narrators and
they like to spend a good tale. But in each
of these instances, the tapes are pretty are pretty compelling,
and you know, we only include material that we can corroborate.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Joe, Obviously they're fairly.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I was gonna say true.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
There, they're fairly truthful, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
True true crime is obviously very popular, but there's also
people who are critical of it, saying that it does
give these serial killers a platform. So how do you
balance the storytelling with the investigation.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, Now, look, there's a lot of irresponsible through crime
that while is in the misery of others, without any
larger social context or social justice. There's a lot of
shows that don't take the victims into account because of
an irreverent tone, things like that. So I think these
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are very important stories to tell, especially for a younger audience,
as a cautionary tale. You know, when I was doing
the Bundy tapes, both of my daughters were college aged,
prototypical Bundy victims, collegiate women with long hair. And at
the Thanksgiving table, I asked both of my daughters, who
are home from college, do you know who Ted Bundy is?
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And neither one of them did, and I said, hey,
text your friends, and no one knew who Ted Bundy was.
And of course the lesson of Ted Bundy is that
just because somebody is charming and good looking, it doesn't
mean you should trust them. Because a lot of young
collegiate women women trusted Bundy, only to be murdered by him.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Joe, Joe, Joe, can you say that again? That just
what did you say? Just because someone's charming and good
looking doesn't mean you should trust him. That's the greatest
life advice I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, that's the lesson of that's the lesson of Bundy,
and I wanted to put that out for my daughter's generation.
So true crime. You know a lot of people do
criticize people for there's a knee jerk reaction about about
crime storytelling. But you know, human beings are the only
entities on this planet that kill for any other reason
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than survival or for eating, and so it's part of
the human condition, and we certainly don't tell people. Don't
make stories about greed, don't make stories about adultery. You know,
making stories about murder is sadly, it's part of the
human condition and there's things to learn from it. So
I I reject this idea that just any show about
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a serial killer is giving them a platform and it's
lessons we have to learn.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Joe Burling is our guest.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I do agree. You have to do it responsibly, definitely.
You know there are very irresponsible versions of true crime
out there.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He's got a brand new three part Netflix Docusaries Conversations
with the Killer, The Son of Sam tapes before I
let you go. I'm fascinating. How long does it take
you to put this together?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
It's about a year process.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
We research for a couple of months, we filmed for
a couple of months, and then we edit for about
six months. It takes it takes about a year to
put it all together.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
What's the big reveal? Why should people watch this three
part docu series. What's something you think they're going to
learn or see that makes it worth the time?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Well, I think it's excellent storytelling, of course, So that's
that's fun, that's worth it. But I look at this.
I look at this case as kind of the foundational
case to why we are all upset us with crime.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
You know, true crime programming has never been more popular.
And because David Berkowitz in an era without social media,
in an era before the big twenty four hour cable
news cycle that just blew up, you know, news, before
all of this, Berkowitz had the city gripped in fear
because of how we interacted with the media, and the
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media was only too willing to comply. And so out
of this, I think grew this codependency of media and
true crime fans, you know, never being satisfied with enough
and wanting more and more. And that's kind of where
we are today. I've never seen so much interest in
true crime, and I trace it back to this case.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
All right, Joe, the other three that you mentioned are phenomenal.
I'm really excited to see this when you guys do
great work with this The Conversations with the Killer the
Son of Sam tapes on Netflix. Thank you for your
time and great work that you guys. Do you appreciate it?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Listening to Kennel and Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, my fadness. We got so much to get to
to this segment. He's gonna spit some fire. But first,
speaking of fire, it's gonna be a fire show for
you this afternoon, Jason Hammer, Fire.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
And Ice this afternoon because we've got the acting ICE director,
todd Lyons on the Big Show today. So excited to
talk to that dude. I believe his direct supervisor is
Christy Nome, who is just going all in on the
South Park stuff. I love the fact that she's got
a good sense of humor about the South Park stuff
and she's posting the memes and we talked about this
(25:35):
the other day. That has to drive those dudes nuts, right,
So todd Lyons, the Homeland Security Acting ICE Director, will
be on with us and in studio scheduled to join
us at five point thirty today. Governor Mike bront Oh, Now,
we've got a lot of stuff to get to with
the gov. The meeting with JD Vance and the ice facility. Sure,
(25:57):
but and yes, we're gonna talk about the controversy surrounding
the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yes, the allegations that AI porn was viewed shared in
the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Right, Like, I'm wondering if at this point, like Governor
Brown's like I didn't want this guy.
Speaker 9 (26:14):
Like.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
So we'll get into all that, But I have a
message for your listeners. Oh yes, yes, Yes, he's been
the Governor's been kind enough to join us in studio
every month.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So this will be the eighth appearance.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
Of Governor Brown.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh how exciting.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
The seven previous trips into studio. I have asked him
about property taxes seven times. Yes, And your listeners I
can clearly tell they don't listen because during a conversation
last time he was here, Huh, I had already asked
him about property taxes. Yes, I've got kendalln Casey people going,
how come you haven't asked him about property taxes? Look,
(26:49):
you're not going to like the answer. The answer is
not going to change, That's right. We got a lot
of crap.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We're gonna get to today.
Speaker 10 (26:55):
We're probably not going to talk property tax He screwed you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Just accept it and move on. He screwed you, like,
just go just wead.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The camer's point is that he has asked people are
just a selective hearing.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's not going to change.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
He screwed you, he lied, go on like and I
appreciate the passion of your your listeners. I don't know
what you call your listeners. Like my fans are hamorrhoids.
Nigel's fans are Nige aira.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
But we're probably not going to talk property taxes today.
We will revisit it. The answer is not going to change.
You're probably not gonna like it. But we got a
lot of stuff to get to, especially with what's going
on at the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Speaking of which, in Lieutenant Governor's office, I posted this
yesterday there appeared to be some breaking news. I don't
know if he meant to do it or not, but
the husband of Micah's chief of staff apparently stooged himself
off here and said something about there being a grand
jury investigation. Let me read you the post. And because
(27:54):
I haven't heard anybody say anything publicly about a grand
jury investigation. And now now who is this again? This
is the husband of Micah's chief of staff. So his
chief of staff is a female. Yeah, Sherry Ellis is
her name, and this is her husband. And he was
posting back back to me about something. So I will
read you this and you tell me if this could
(28:15):
be anything other than a recental person. We led to
believe he must be aware of some sort of grand
jury investigation because I haven't Readymindy mentioned that publicly, ask yourself,
ask your so. I love how you turned into Vince
McMahon when you start reading these things. I can't believe
this guy posted us on the internet. But Stu is
the gift that keeps on giving. H. So they are
(28:39):
so worried about Micah's investigation because what we have said
is Micah claims some investigation was done on this and
one day on a weekend, but he won't give anybody
any details about it.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
He went on the Fort Wayne radio yesterday and basically admitted, oh,
we did that all ourselves.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Now, but hold on full stop right there before we
get into what the husband did, which is always laughable.
The spouse, Nige is a much nicer person than I am.
I think we'll all agree, right, Nige has a heart.
Some people say I don't, and that's fine. Nige put
an olive branch out to Micah this past Friday, Thursday
or Friday and said, looks a lot of allegations out there.
(29:17):
How would you like to come on our show and
clear the air. You know, we'll ask questions, you give answers,
we'll let our audience decide. Micah passed and gave us
some sort of statement to read, which all right, whatever.
So we thought, okay, maybe he's just not doing media,
but you're telling me he went on fort Wayne, Oh yeah,
(29:38):
butt sniffers up at Woe Woe.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, Well that's what Micah does. Micah runs to
people who will smooch his butt cheeks and won't challenge him.
And he knows. Now WIBC is hip to what's going on. Now.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Listen, you guys have been way tougher on Micha than
anybody has. Right our show, we try to be a
little bit more entertaining, but we also have opinions. We
have pushed back on Micah, we have pushed back on
Governor Brawn, but it's you know, it's not like it's
a lunatic you in our studio, right, I think that's fair, right,
And to kind of give Nige the middle finger like that,
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after he offered time on the most listened to news
talk show in the Midwest, the number one rated drivetime
show in the state, a show that has been in
the last three years name number one, three and two
in America, and he's going to go on with the
butt sniffers at WO WO because they won't challenge him.
This story doesn't make any sense. He claims he has
(30:32):
done this one day weekend investigation, which not only are
these guys, by the way, his workers, there are some
of his closest supporters and friends. And for eleven days
now he claims he's done this investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He didn't say there could be more. He definitively said
it cleared them. They didn't do this, and he won't
show it to anyone who used Micah was a state
police certainly not. We now know it was his office.
It wasn't IMPD, it wasn't even Forensics r US. It
wasn't even a bought and paid for commisson like hog
Set like to do. Like hog Set has bought and
paid for two reports.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
One of them blamed IMPD for the riots for showing
up two riots and riot gear, and the other one
was the one that said he did nothing at all
wrong during the sexual harassment scandal.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
As a matter of fact, those.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Chicks were asking for us paraphrasing, of course.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So he apparently did some magical one day investigation on
a weekend that cleared his guys. But he won't show
anybody the details. He won't tell anybody about what he got. He's,
by the way, in addition to being a horrible crappy boss,
he's a horrible crappy friend for letting his peeps twist
in the wind like this. But that's the Micah emo. Anyway,
back to the chief of staff. So let's talking about
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the husband, okay, So and then this is what we want.
We want the details on the investigation. If he can
prove the guys didn't do it, put it out there right.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
I am an innocent until proven guilty guy. Absolutely, because
I'm old enough to remember what happened to the Duke
La Crosse kids, the Trevor Bauers story. I am not
a believe all women, all allegations are true, guy, I'm not,
But I'm also not trust this internal investigation guy either.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Right, if you've got you.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Know, if there's no there there, then show us what
you got.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Ask yourself. So they're so worried about Mike's investigation, What
about the Marion County prosecutor investigation? Okay, fine, we know
they're investigating.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Craig Haggart said that here's where it gets really interesting.
The one time the Marion County prosecutor is going to
get tough because it's the Republican on the other side.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But go ahead, what.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
About the grand jury investigation? I'm sorry, what what about
the grand jury investigation? What about the what grand jury investigation?
What grand jury investigation? Who said there was a grand
jury investigation?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
He just did. It appears this guy, the chief of staff,
Mike's chief of staff, her husband has just made some
very breaking news there about some sort of grand jury investigation,
which is a way different thing than some person at
the Marion County Prosecutor's office just looking into things.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Look, I don't know his chief of staff. I don't,
but I would imagine she probably just wants her husband
to shut up at this point, like if there anything
worse than when you as an individual are involved in
something and the spouse wants to jump in and just
makes it worse. Like I remember Matt Stafford, he's an
(33:28):
NFL quarterback, plays for the Rams. Yeah, his wife, Kelly,
she's very conservative, very cute. I like Kelly Stafford, but
she gets a little mouthy on social media. And this
was during the whole era of kneeling.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
For the anthem and the riots.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
She was saying a lot of stuff on social media
that was making it tough on her husband in the
locker room, who was surrounded by people who feel the
opposite way. So I remember Matt Stafford having to tell
his wife, you're making it hard for me. Knock it
off paraphrasing, of course.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh but wait, there's more. Oh No, they went to
this guy went down some big rabbit hole yesterday and
appears to want people to think that somehow WIBC might
be being controlled by George Soros. Right, all of the
things that I've said about Ryan Mere, do you really
(34:19):
think if this were a Soros bought and paid for operation,
I'd still be here today. So here's what they found,
And this is hilarious. So George Soros bought part of ors,
part owner or a company is how they usually do.
Just that owns a company called Odyssey now, which is
a major radio station owner. WIBC is owned by Urban One.
(34:41):
In twenty twenty one, there was an agree some sort
of content sharing agreement, which is like what we have
with which TV now there are partners right in which
National Urban One was going to do some sort of
national sharing agree with National Odyssey. The key is twenty
twenty one one is the date in which WIBC was
(35:03):
not even owned by Urban One and Odyssey was not
owned by George Soros. But yet this is their big
reveal in Smoking Gun. And this is why we're going
after Micah. Not because we think it stinks, not because
the stories don't add up, Not because just like when
he was hanging out with the high profile convicted felon
at the NBA Finals basketball game, he can't tell a coherent,
(35:26):
consistent story. We're not digging because we have serious questions.
We're digging because potentially George Soros is behind us. Wait, Rob,
apparently the husband is Matt Locke, the husband Perry Mason,
and he's put all of the clues together and we're
bought and paid for by Soros. I love this, so
it's a bit like he writes a Dickens novel about this.
This is the same guy who apparently stooged out. I
(35:46):
guess there must be some sort of grand jury investigation
going on involving Micah's office. Here here's how he ends it. However,
it doesn't seem unreasonable and unreasonable assumption that this could
affect content on WIBC, though no direct evidence supports this,
but discernment and critical thinking could suggest a possibility. We're
(36:09):
pretty equal opportunity. Like the haters of IBC don't really
understand this. Like the folks on the left say your
Republican talking points, and now you've got folks on the
right saying you're bought and paid for by Soros. If
both of those people are saying those things, that tells
us we're doing a pretty good job and calling out
buttholes on each side of the aisle. We are equal opportunity.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
Offenders here, right, don't screw up and we won't have
to rip you real.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Quick to just just I just want to give a
message to Micah. Please never let this guy delete his Facebook.
He is the gift that keeps on giving. He can't
keep his mouth shut. And Micah, the fact that you're
if you have cleared these guys and you have definitive
proof they didn't do it, and you can refute what
Tom Labianco has written in those pieces, and you have
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this evidence that could clear these guys who are not
only worker but they're your friends and supporters. You are
a rotten, disgusting dude. Put up or shut up, dude.
Put it out there. Tell us what the investigation showed.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Again, I don't know if it's three of or not,
but clear the air, right, get these innocent people off
the hook exactly. Yeah, Hey, I better be careful this afternoon,
so I don't want my boss, George Soros to get angry.
Like if I say, Ryan meres Pa sitting down, I might.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Not have a job this afternoon. Look out.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
We weren't out of time, but I wanted to also
talk about that dork Scott Baldwin too, remember him sister
voting for property tax.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well we'll save him for tomorrow because we got something
fun on him out of that goon.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
Hey, yeah, big show this afternoon. We got the governor,
we got the Ice director Jeff Bogs two,
So everybody's doing the curfew these days, and I don't
know if that's going to work out as well as
they think or hope it is. And in the case
of our president, now he's just taking over an entire
major metropolitan area.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Yeah, we'll get to both of those things.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
So yesterday President Trump he pledged to make DC safe, smart,
and beautiful. This all happened during a White House press conference.
So he signed a memorandum to activate the DC National Guard.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Okay, and he's doing this because what violence and tomfoolery
is even by what Look Washington, d C. You'll back
me up on this case. It's a pretty crummy place.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Parts of it. Yeah, it could be dangerous.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
I mean that's some saying, like you get in your
mind these great visuals, which they are. They're incredibly you know,
Lincoln Memorial.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You know, Washington Monument, everything, all.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Of these things, right, and they're incredible things. And if
you've never been to Washington, d C. I drove by,
I've ever told you this story. This is how wasteful
our government is. This was one of the many reasons.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
That oh, when you were on the licensing board, Yeah,
this is one of the rob Kendall origin stories where
they the state made me when I was the pharmacy board,
what I was the head of the pharmacy board, They
made me go on a trip to Washington, DC.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
And I told them, like, there's nothing I'm going to
learn there that is of any value to this that
we're doing here in terms of serving people, Like I'd
be far more valuable to the taxpayers to just sit
here and help our understaffed customer service reps answer phones
and process paperwork, you know, because that's who we serve. No,
(01:40):
you have to go, But why because we've always gone.
That doesn't really seem like a a good reason and
be a great use of tax payer money. But I
went by force, got in my automobile and charioted myself
halfway across the country and went for two days. In
very brief amount of time I got to walk around
(02:01):
down there, because, as I said, it was a complete
waste of time.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
When what's that that you went? What year was that?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Oh? That had been twenty fourteen a thing, okay, so
that predates the zoom meetings or teams.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Something you could have done online.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
They'd have telephones back then, though they did have for
any information that would have been would have been pertinent.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What time of year was it, Oh it was fall.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Ish late, No, it was it was some late summer.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Ish, it was past the cherry blossom season.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Uh yeah, again like just but the point is it
was it was fine. But you're very aware when you're
down there, there's certain areas, certain alleys you ought not
be turning in. And as it has been more than
a decade since I've been there, I'm only guessing it's
gotten progressively worse, just a little bit better.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Trump cited total lawlessness with youth gangs on ATVs and
entire neighborhoods that have emergency curfews.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
He said his efforts are going to.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
Include removing trash fete, repairing broken marble panels, and cleaning
up the homeless.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
Okay, okay, but does the federal government do anything? Well?
Speaker 5 (03:11):
Is what?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Are we gonna have? The National Guard cleaning up the homeless?
Speaker 3 (03:15):
He said that the one hundred to two hundred troops
are going to support law enforcement with administrative, logistical, and
physical to the rest.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
To the babysitters, how'd that go? In Iraq? The National
Guard as babies just look, it's fine if you're going
to say a single event like oh, I don't know,
say the riots of twenty twenty, if you know there's
going to in a moment or a day or days
or whatever, be the potential for mass chaos and calamity.
And you're saying, hey, we're shutting everything down like should
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have been done here in twenty twenty. That's okay, no
problem with it. But they're not designed to be infinite
baby setters. And what does that say about your city?
You're not addressing the root cause? Because what sort of
visual is that, Hey, come see us, it's great here,
(04:06):
it's so safe. We got to run out the National
Guard to keep things under control. The visual that I mean,
it's horrible. And until you address the root cause, whether
it's there or whether it's here, this is just some
bizarro band aid that may or may not even actually help.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Said troops are going to work alongside DC police and
also federal law enforcement. And everybody is saying, but crime
is being reported to be down in DC and the
Genine Piro former Fox Yes she had a crime.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
I got in trouble for saying she was the mouthy
lady on Fox News. Yeah, somebody abad at me about
it was.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
She had a comment about that when she was asked
about crime being down in DC.
Speaker 6 (04:49):
Why now, because you know it may be down, but
the question is always down from What if we had
the fourth largest homicide rate, highest homicide rate in the
country years ago, all of a sudden.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
It goes down.
Speaker 6 (05:01):
People want to pat themselves on the back. No way
talk to any of the crime victims. I was just
at a college a couple of weeks ago where I
had photos of young kids who were victims of homicides
of shootings, and it happens over and over again. It's
not okay because it's down from last year. It's bad.
This is a nation's capital, this is a shining city
(05:23):
on the hill. We're not going to tolerate it. People
are afraid to come to this city.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Ye, but what is the city now. It's the home
of a cesspool of rotten, corrupt people who regularly put
themselves and their own interest ahead of the American people.
That's what that city does, that's who it houses. So
don't give me this moral high horse, bs when that's
the core of your existence is bloated, inefficient, ineffective government
(05:52):
that regularly rewards donors and lobbyists and power over the
people that it's elected to serve. Don't give me some
more high horse argument about how we must do this
or we must do that on behalf of that. You're
doing that on behalf of yourself.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
So Donald Trump gave a little story about something that
his father told him when he was young.
Speaker 7 (06:12):
City. You know, my father always used to tell me
I had a wonderful father, very smart, and he used
to say, son, when you walk into a restaurant and
you see a dirty front door, don't go in because
if the front door is dirty, the kitchens dirty.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
Also, same thing with the capital.
Speaker 7 (06:31):
You are, capital is dirty. Our whole country is dirty,
and they don't respect us. So it's a very good question.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
It sounds to me like he's using the uh, you know,
the Rudy Giuliani move of the broken window, like clean
it up and then the crime will go away.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
That's fine that there's nothing wrong with that, or pressing
for a better, more efficient nation's capital. But as long
as there is an element of local control about that,
you're not going to solve that. You have to have
all hands on deck, all hands on board, everybody moving.
I always heard of describe as everybody moving with their
hand on the football in the same direction, and you're
(07:09):
not You're not gonna have that. I mean, you can
spin it back here with that budget meeting last night
with the City of Indianapolis one point seven billion, and
it's not going to make a damn bit of difference.
They could be three billion. It wouldn't make any difference
because you don't have the same people pulling in the
same position for the same desired outcome. And thus, you know,
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Braun couldn't loose to the National Guard here. It wouldn't
make the city any better. I mean, sure, maybe for
pockets in moments, but you can't have about twenty four
hours a day, seven days a week, and if a
bunch of them are doing administrative work anyway, it's just
it's it's a societal thing, it's a governmental thing, and
it's a belief system thing, and it's just we don't
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have the will in most of our major metropolston cities
now because they've been overrun by crazy people and a
lot of the decent people have gotten out to the
political will to fix the thing.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, so what is Indianapolis's answer to crime? It is
to pass updated curfew hours for minors.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Now did they They did not. They passed the hours,
but not the fines of the.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Correct So the hours go into effect immediately for the
next one hundred.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
And twenty days.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
If you're fourteen or under, you have to be indoors
by nine pm daily ages fifteen through sixteen. It's nine
pm on weekdays, eleven pm on weekends. Seventeen year olds
are not affected by the curfew.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Okay, so let's review what happened last night at the budgeting.
First of all, people in the room, multiple people told
me this. Joe hawks I gave his speech last night
that led multiple people to believe he is probably running
for a fourth term as the mayor of the City
of Indianapolis. Yeah, and that makes sense. He's still actively
out fundraising and he still has a iron clad grin
(09:00):
on the city. And think about this, This is why
when we talk about Indianapolis being a lost cause. Last night,
the Republican six of them renem Michael Paul Hart as
the leader of the Republican caucus in the in the
on the city County Council. There's six of them. It's
nineteen to six. Is the numbers they can't do anything,
they can't affect anything. And we've been very critical of
(09:22):
Michael Paul Hart for not being hard enough on hog Set. Right,
So we're not saying this is Michael Paul Hart super fans.
We're not, you know, giving gobs of money to his
reelection bids or causes whatever. But they removed him because
he had been too hard on hog Set. Maori and
the Knee and the rest of those guys other than
(09:43):
Josh Bain were mad that of the brief and very
relatively ineffective statements or positions that Michael Paul Hart had
taken that were counter counter to hog Set, well, that
was too much for them. And so now he's out
as the leader and they put that Brian Mowory guy
(10:03):
in charge, which means it is just a rubber rubber
stamps are us.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
Whatever hog Set wants you have given, we have given
over this city.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Everyone knows the problems of hogs Set. We don't have
to revisit him again personally, the problems of hog Set. Professionally,
it's been on full display. And yet even the Republicans
are like, hey, can't can't go on hog Set. What
does he have on everybody.
Speaker 7 (10:26):
Not.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
This is the question to keep asking. What does this miserable,
rotten failure have on anybody? On everybody? Does he have
nudes of everyone? I mean what like? What? What? What
is it? Why will no one stand up to this guy?
In the Democrat caucus, you stand up to hawks that
you get thrown out, asked Jesse Brown. In the republic
in the Republican caucus, you stand up to hogs that
(10:48):
you don't get thrown out. I guess because they don't
have enough of them to throw people out, but you
get demoted? What what is going on?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Sometimes you have to issue an apology.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Even Marion County's a lost cause. All right, let's take
a break.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
It is Kendall in Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, coming up next second, but we got a big guest.
Joe Berlinger is going to be our guest. He's got
a brand new documentary out on Netflix. It's called Conversations
with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes, and so
that's all about Alan Berkowitz. So we will interview him
coming up next. But first there is big drama with pizza.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
That's right, So Andy had its first pizza festival and
it's facing some backlash over what took place. It was
held over the weekend. A monument circle drew abound four
thousand attendees. Tickets cost thirty dollars for unlimited pizza samples,
and there was voting on who had the best pizza
in town. But a lot of people were very disappointed.
(11:49):
There were long lines prevented some people from getting their
food or getting any pizza at all, and there was
some crowd congestion. There wasn't a lot of water to
be passed out, no clear lines. It was I guess,
just one giant mega line. And the organizer has come out,
Tommy Barret say his name. He's a local TikTok personality.
(12:10):
He's organized the event and he admitted to some of
the crowd issues, said that thirty two hundred people arrived
in the first ninety minutes of the event and that
they've got some learning to do.
Speaker 9 (12:25):
The twenty twenty five Indianapolis Pizza Festival is in the
books for the first time. Everybody at a festival dedicated
strictly to pizza in the city of Indianapolis.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Three things today, One.
Speaker 9 (12:36):
I thank you, two congratulations and three what everybody's here
for addressing, feedback, understanding how to make it better for
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
First, thank you. Thank you to every.
Speaker 9 (12:46):
Single vendor, sponsor, volunteer personally I walked through that gate.
Thank you to anybody that had a touch point for
this festival. There were a lot of hardworking people there
all day long, So thank you so much. Number two
to Shindig. Shindig, you want a five thousand dollars check
and forever known for the first time at the indianapospizecea
(13:06):
festival that you were going to the best pizza. Number
two was Brooklyn Shaw shout out to death, twenty five
hundred dollars check coming your way. And third was Black
Sheep and I cannot forget to mention that they decided
to donate back. Number three, which everybody's here for and
I understand that. So it's going to be the majority
of the video. Number three is feedback and understanding and
addressing things that happened at the festival. First, let's talk
(13:28):
about the passion for pizza that you guys.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
So he goes on, Yeah, he goes on to defend
the festival and he says that it was a learning experience.
They planned a return next year, but he stated that
there will be no refunds issued.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
But he did everything, but the thing.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
He got to it eventually.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Well that's why, Like, so, what's he doing. He's not
giving any by their money back then had an unpleasurable experience,
and the guy's like, well.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Too bad, Yep, we'll get it right next year.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Well, okay, so the issue here was what the lines
at the event.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
So it was open for six hours, but you know
he's saying that so many people showed up within the.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
First hour and a half. Okay, they weren't prepared.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, okay, And I don't think amy saying there's any
ill intent here. But wouldn't common sense tell you, if
you have a food driven event, now you go to
these things, a food driven event, that people are most
likely to attend the food driven event at the time
they would are most used to eating food, which would
be a lunchtime. Right, This should not probably have been
a surprise that you would have the most amount of
(14:30):
customers or patrons or whatever to your event during the
time at which they are normally used to eating lunch.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Yeah, it seems to me though he did say that
there were some growing pains they planned to make improvements
for next year.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
So Kando is going through the three step process.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, here's what was a ticket? What did you have
to pay?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Thirty dollars?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Thirty dollars? See, okay, here's my question on this, just
from a pure financial nuts and bolt standpoint. How much
pizza would you have to eat to have thirty dollars
dollars of pizza? A lot? That's a lot of pizza.
I mean you could get you get Domino's, can get
like an entire large carryout for six or seven ninety nine. Okay,
that's that's what four of those right? Who's eating four
(15:13):
large pizzas? Now, I get there's variety and the blah
blah blah and whatever. I'm just saying from a pure
and I also understand another thing like that that that's
it's not always just you know, dollars dollars out of
experience or whatever part.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Of the proceeds. We're going to go to the United
Way of Central Indiana as well.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Okay, very good, Well, all right, are you gonna go
next year? Are you gonna? Are you gonna? Would you?
Speaker 3 (15:36):
If you?
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Okay, let me praise like this we've got a beut
a minute left here. Would if you had a negative
experience like these people apparently did, and somebody gave the
video that that guy just gave where it appeared item
number seventy eight was the corrective the Dolge action, right,
Would you have any faith that it's gonna be better
next year? Would you pay thirty dollars again after you'd
had a bad extent?
Speaker 7 (15:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Probably not.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Yeah, that's my point, But I would be interested to
see what changes they do implement.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, I'm yes. Anyway, I'm with you one hundred percent.
All right, so let's take it right. When we come back,
we are scheduled to speak with Joe Berlinger. He is
He is the filmmaker for the new documentary three part
Netflix series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of Sam Tapes. Well,
hope to connect with him when we come back.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
There is a new documentary out on Netflix. It's a
three part series, Conversations with the Killer, the Son of
Sam Tapes, and it is fascinating. It's Kennelly Casey Show.
I'm Rob Casey's here joining us now in the WIBC hotline.
Joe Berlinger. He is the Emmy Award winning, an OSCAR
nominated filmmaker who put it together. Joe.
Speaker 5 (16:43):
Hello, Hey, nice to talk to you guys. How you
doing great?
Speaker 1 (16:48):
So tell us about this three part docuseries, Conversations with
the Killer The Son of Sam Tapes. Tell us what
it's all about.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Yeah, Well, I have an ongoing series at Netflix called
Conversations the Killer. Previous seasons have been Ted Bundy, John
Wayne Gacy, Jeffrey Dahmer. This season, season four is David
Berkowitz The Son of Sam. The series revolves around recordings
by the serial killer, around the commission of the crime.
(17:18):
So these were tapes that were we've discovered that were
recorded in nineteen eighty and so we tell the whole
story of Son of Sam, and young people may not
Younger people may not remember the story or you know,
or the condition of New York City at the time.
But New York City in the mid seventies was just
an utter wreck. It was going through a financial crisis.
(17:41):
Half the police force was laid off. There was ramp
and crime like you can't imagine. The city was in
a state of disrepair and into this healthscape walked a
random shooter, David Berkowitz, who called himself the Son of Sam.
And he would stick a gun into the car window
of young couples, you know, making out in a lover's lane,
(18:03):
you know, very very random shootings. And he ended up
killing six Injuring seven and it took a year for
him to be caught, and New York was gripped in
fear like like it never has been, you know, people,
even though statistically the chance of getting shot, you know,
in the city of seven million people was low. Literally
(18:26):
the city was paralyzed.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Hey hey, Joe, real quick, I was just gonna ask you.
I just want to introduce you again. Our guests were
just shooting at Joe Burlinger. He's the Emmy Award winning,
an OSCAR nominated filmmaker. His brand new docuseries, Conversations with
the Killer The Son of Sam tapes available on Netflix.
How do you get these tapes? Because every one of
these series you've done on the aforementioned famous serial killers
(18:49):
is fascinating. How do you come into these tapes?
Speaker 5 (18:53):
You know a lot. I have to be honest. I
wish I could say that I'm some amazing detective who's
dug up amazing material. But the first time we did
this for Ted Bundy, an author named Stephen Michaux who
wrote a book that came out in nineteen eighty nine,
you know, called Ted Bundy Conversations with a Killer, reached
(19:15):
out to me because he had, before this book that
came out in nineteen eighty nine, he had audio recordings
of Bundy that he used for his research. He interviewed
Bundy on death row before shortly before his execution, and
turned it into a book. And in twenty eighteen, so
decades later, he was a fan of my film Paradise Lost,
(19:39):
and he reached out and he said, hey, I found
these tapes in my closet cleaning out my office. You know,
they were my research tapes from my book. Do you
think there'd be an interesting documentary there? And I said, well,
you know, Ted Bundy has been told many times, but
you know, let me take a listen to the tapes.
And I was fascinated with the point of view and
the perspective that the tapes. So I pitched it to Netflix,
(20:02):
not even sure that they would want to do something
like this, and it ended up being the number one
show on Netflix that year. Number one documentary show, and
so they've asked for more and once once that show hit, Like,
you can't believe how many people reach out to me
and say, hey, I have these tapes of the serial killer,
you know, and some of the tapes are just not
worth you know, I don't find that I've turned some
(20:24):
people down because the tapes aren't that revealing. But the
ones that I say yes to are these incredibly revealing recordings.
You know, generally speaking, serial killers are unreliable narrators and
they like to spend a good tale. But in each
of these instances, the tapes are pretty are pretty compelling,
and you know, we only include material that we can corroborate.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
Joe, Obviously they're fairly.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
I was gonna say true.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
There, they're fairly truthful, but go ahead.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
True true crime is obviously very popular, but there's also
people who are critical of it, saying that it does
give these serial killers a platform. So how do you
balance the storytelling with the investigation.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Yeah, Now, look, there's a lot of irresponsible through crime
that while is in the misery of others, without any
larger social context or social justice. There's a lot of
shows that don't take the victims into account because of
an irreverent tone, things like that. So I think these
(21:29):
are very important stories to tell, especially for a younger audience,
as a cautionary tale. You know, when I was doing
the Bundy tapes, both of my daughters were college aged,
prototypical Bundy victims, collegiate women with long hair. And at
the Thanksgiving table, I asked both of my daughters, who
are home from college, do you know who Ted Bundy is?
(21:52):
And neither one of them did, and I said, hey,
text your friends, and no one knew who Ted Bundy was.
And of course the lesson of Ted Bundy is that
just because somebody is charming and good looking, it doesn't
mean you should trust them. Because a lot of young
collegiate women women trusted Bundy, only to be murdered by him.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Joe, Joe, Joe, can you say that again? That just
what did you say? Just because someone's charming and good
looking doesn't mean you should trust him. That's the greatest
life advice I've ever heard.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
Well, that's the lesson of that's the lesson of Bundy,
and I wanted to put that out for my daughter's generation.
So true crime. You know a lot of people do
criticize people for there's a knee jerk reaction about about
crime storytelling. But you know, human beings are the only
entities on this planet that kill for any other reason
(22:41):
than survival or for eating, and so it's part of
the human condition, and we certainly don't tell people. Don't
make stories about greed, don't make stories about adultery. You know,
making stories about murder is sadly, it's part of the
human condition and there's things to learn from it. So
I I reject this idea that just any show about
(23:02):
a serial killer is giving them a platform and it's
lessons we have to learn.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Joe Burling is our guest.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
I agree.
Speaker 5 (23:09):
I do agree. You have to do it responsibly, definitely.
You know there are very irresponsible versions of true crime
out there.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
He's got a brand new three part Netflix Docusaries Conversations
with the Killer, The Son of Sam tapes before I
let you go. I'm fascinating. How long does it take
you to put this together?
Speaker 5 (23:27):
It's about a year process.
Speaker 9 (23:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
We research for a couple of months, we filmed for
a couple of months, and then we edit for about
six months. It takes it takes about a year to
put it all together.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
What's the big reveal? Why should people watch this three
part docu series. What's something you think they're going to
learn or see that makes it worth the time?
Speaker 5 (23:48):
Well, I think it's excellent storytelling, of course, So that's
that's fun, that's worth it. But I look at this.
I look at this case as kind of the foundational
case to why we are all upset us with crime.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
Now.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
You know, true crime programming has never been more popular.
And because David Berkowitz in an era without social media,
in an era before the big twenty four hour cable
news cycle that just blew up, you know, news, before
all of this, Berkowitz had the city gripped in fear
because of how we interacted with the media, and the
(24:24):
media was only too willing to comply. And so out
of this, I think grew this codependency of media and
true crime fans, you know, never being satisfied with enough
and wanting more and more. And that's kind of where
we are today. I've never seen so much interest in
true crime, and I trace it back to this case.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
All right, Joe, the other three that you mentioned are phenomenal.
I'm really excited to see this when you guys do
great work with this The Conversations with the Killer the
Son of Sam tapes on Netflix. Thank you for your
time and great work that you guys. Do you appreciate it?
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Listening to Kennel and Casey, it's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Wow, my fadness. We got so much to get to
to this segment. He's gonna spit some fire. But first,
speaking of fire, it's gonna be a fire show for
you this afternoon, Jason Hammer, Fire.
Speaker 10 (25:14):
And Ice this afternoon because we've got the acting ICE director,
todd Lyons on the Big Show today. So excited to
talk to that dude. I believe his direct supervisor is
Christy Nome, who is just going all in on the
South Park stuff. I love the fact that she's got
a good sense of humor about the South Park stuff
and she's posting the memes and we talked about this
(25:35):
the other day. That has to drive those dudes nuts, right,
So todd Lyons, the Homeland Security Acting ICE Director, will
be on with us and in studio scheduled to join
us at five point thirty today. Governor Mike bront Oh, Now,
we've got a lot of stuff to get to with
the gov. The meeting with JD Vance and the ice facility. Sure,
(25:57):
but and yes, we're gonna talk about the controversy surrounding
the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yes, the allegations that AI porn was viewed shared in
the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
Right, Like, I'm wondering if at this point, like Governor
Brown's like I didn't want this guy.
Speaker 9 (26:14):
Like.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
So we'll get into all that, But I have a
message for your listeners. Oh yes, yes, Yes, he's been
the Governor's been kind enough to join us in studio
every month.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
So this will be the eighth appearance.
Speaker 10 (26:25):
Of Governor Brown.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Oh how exciting.
Speaker 10 (26:27):
The seven previous trips into studio. I have asked him
about property taxes seven times. Yes, And your listeners I
can clearly tell they don't listen because during a conversation
last time he was here, Huh, I had already asked
him about property taxes. Yes, I've got kendalln Casey people going,
how come you haven't asked him about property taxes? Look,
(26:49):
you're not going to like the answer. The answer is
not going to change, That's right. We got a lot
of crap.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
We're gonna get to today.
Speaker 10 (26:55):
We're probably not going to talk property tax He screwed you.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Just accept it and move on. He screwed you, like,
just go just wead.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
The camer's point is that he has asked people are
just a selective hearing.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
It's not going to change.
Speaker 10 (27:07):
He screwed you, he lied, go on like and I
appreciate the passion of your your listeners. I don't know
what you call your listeners. Like my fans are hamorrhoids.
Nigel's fans are Nige aira.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
That's right.
Speaker 10 (27:20):
But we're probably not going to talk property taxes today.
We will revisit it. The answer is not going to change.
You're probably not gonna like it. But we got a
lot of stuff to get to, especially with what's going
on at the Lieutenant Governor's office.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Speaking of which, in Lieutenant Governor's office, I posted this
yesterday there appeared to be some breaking news. I don't
know if he meant to do it or not, but
the husband of Micah's chief of staff apparently stooged himself
off here and said something about there being a grand
jury investigation. Let me read you the post. And because
(27:54):
I haven't heard anybody say anything publicly about a grand
jury investigation. And now now who is this again? This
is the husband of Micah's chief of staff. So his
chief of staff is a female. Yeah, Sherry Ellis is
her name, and this is her husband. And he was
posting back back to me about something. So I will
read you this and you tell me if this could
(28:15):
be anything other than a recental person. We led to
believe he must be aware of some sort of grand
jury investigation because I haven't Readymindy mentioned that publicly, ask yourself,
ask your so. I love how you turned into Vince
McMahon when you start reading these things. I can't believe
this guy posted us on the internet. But Stu is
the gift that keeps on giving. H. So they are
(28:39):
so worried about Micah's investigation because what we have said
is Micah claims some investigation was done on this and
one day on a weekend, but he won't give anybody
any details about it.
Speaker 9 (28:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
He went on the Fort Wayne radio yesterday and basically admitted, oh,
we did that all ourselves.
Speaker 10 (28:55):
Now, but hold on full stop right there before we
get into what the husband did, which is always laughable.
The spouse, Nige is a much nicer person than I am.
I think we'll all agree, right, Nige has a heart.
Some people say I don't, and that's fine. Nige put
an olive branch out to Micah this past Friday, Thursday
or Friday and said, looks a lot of allegations out there.
(29:17):
How would you like to come on our show and
clear the air. You know, we'll ask questions, you give answers,
we'll let our audience decide. Micah passed and gave us
some sort of statement to read, which all right, whatever.
So we thought, okay, maybe he's just not doing media,
but you're telling me he went on fort Wayne, Oh yeah,
(29:38):
butt sniffers up at Woe Woe.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Oh yeah, Well that's what Micah does. Micah runs to
people who will smooch his butt cheeks and won't challenge him.
And he knows. Now WIBC is hip to what's going on. Now.
Speaker 10 (29:49):
Listen, you guys have been way tougher on Micha than
anybody has. Right our show, we try to be a
little bit more entertaining, but we also have opinions. We
have pushed back on Micah, we have pushed back on
Governor Brawn, but it's you know, it's not like it's
a lunatic you in our studio, right, I think that's fair, right,
And to kind of give Nige the middle finger like that,
(30:11):
after he offered time on the most listened to news
talk show in the Midwest, the number one rated drivetime
show in the state, a show that has been in
the last three years name number one, three and two
in America, and he's going to go on with the
butt sniffers at WO WO because they won't challenge him.
This story doesn't make any sense. He claims he has
(30:32):
done this one day weekend investigation, which not only are
these guys, by the way, his workers, there are some
of his closest supporters and friends. And for eleven days
now he claims he's done this investigation.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
He didn't say there could be more. He definitively said
it cleared them. They didn't do this, and he won't
show it to anyone who used Micah was a state
police certainly not. We now know it was his office.
It wasn't IMPD, it wasn't even Forensics r US. It
wasn't even a bought and paid for commisson like hog
Set like to do. Like hog Set has bought and
paid for two reports.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
One of them blamed IMPD for the riots for showing
up two riots and riot gear, and the other one
was the one that said he did nothing at all
wrong during the sexual harassment scandal.
Speaker 1 (31:15):
As a matter of fact, those.
Speaker 10 (31:16):
Chicks were asking for us paraphrasing, of course.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So he apparently did some magical one day investigation on
a weekend that cleared his guys. But he won't show
anybody the details. He won't tell anybody about what he got. He's,
by the way, in addition to being a horrible crappy boss,
he's a horrible crappy friend for letting his peeps twist
in the wind like this. But that's the Micah emo. Anyway,
back to the chief of staff. So let's talking about
(31:42):
the husband, okay, So and then this is what we want.
We want the details on the investigation. If he can
prove the guys didn't do it, put it out there right.
Speaker 10 (31:50):
I am an innocent until proven guilty guy. Absolutely, because
I'm old enough to remember what happened to the Duke
La Crosse kids, the Trevor Bauers story. I am not
a believe all women, all allegations are true, guy, I'm not,
But I'm also not trust this internal investigation guy either.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Right, if you've got you.
Speaker 10 (32:08):
Know, if there's no there there, then show us what
you got.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
Ask yourself. So they're so worried about Mike's investigation, What
about the Marion County prosecutor investigation? Okay, fine, we know
they're investigating.
Speaker 10 (32:23):
Craig Haggart said that here's where it gets really interesting.
The one time the Marion County prosecutor is going to
get tough because it's the Republican on the other side.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
But go ahead, what.
Speaker 8 (32:31):
About the grand jury investigation? I'm sorry, what what about
the grand jury investigation? What about the what grand jury investigation?
What grand jury investigation? Who said there was a grand
jury investigation?
Speaker 1 (32:48):
He just did. It appears this guy, the chief of staff,
Mike's chief of staff, her husband has just made some
very breaking news there about some sort of grand jury investigation,
which is a way different thing than some person at
the Marion County Prosecutor's office just looking into things.
Speaker 10 (33:07):
Look, I don't know his chief of staff. I don't,
but I would imagine she probably just wants her husband
to shut up at this point, like if there anything
worse than when you as an individual are involved in
something and the spouse wants to jump in and just
makes it worse. Like I remember Matt Stafford, he's an
(33:28):
NFL quarterback, plays for the Rams. Yeah, his wife, Kelly,
she's very conservative, very cute. I like Kelly Stafford, but
she gets a little mouthy on social media. And this
was during the whole era of kneeling.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
For the anthem and the riots.
Speaker 10 (33:43):
She was saying a lot of stuff on social media
that was making it tough on her husband in the
locker room, who was surrounded by people who feel the
opposite way. So I remember Matt Stafford having to tell
his wife, you're making it hard for me. Knock it
off paraphrasing, of course.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
Oh but wait, there's more. Oh No, they went to
this guy went down some big rabbit hole yesterday and
appears to want people to think that somehow WIBC might
be being controlled by George Soros. Right, all of the
things that I've said about Ryan Mere, do you really
(34:19):
think if this were a Soros bought and paid for operation,
I'd still be here today. So here's what they found,
And this is hilarious. So George Soros bought part of ors,
part owner or a company is how they usually do.
Just that owns a company called Odyssey now, which is
a major radio station owner. WIBC is owned by Urban One.
(34:41):
In twenty twenty one, there was an agree some sort
of content sharing agreement, which is like what we have
with which TV now there are partners right in which
National Urban One was going to do some sort of
national sharing agree with National Odyssey. The key is twenty
twenty one one is the date in which WIBC was
(35:03):
not even owned by Urban One and Odyssey was not
owned by George Soros. But yet this is their big
reveal in Smoking Gun. And this is why we're going
after Micah. Not because we think it stinks, not because
the stories don't add up, Not because just like when
he was hanging out with the high profile convicted felon
at the NBA Finals basketball game, he can't tell a coherent,
(35:26):
consistent story. We're not digging because we have serious questions.
We're digging because potentially George Soros is behind us. Wait, Rob,
apparently the husband is Matt Locke, the husband Perry Mason,
and he's put all of the clues together and we're
bought and paid for by Soros. I love this, so
it's a bit like he writes a Dickens novel about this.
This is the same guy who apparently stooged out. I
(35:46):
guess there must be some sort of grand jury investigation
going on involving Micah's office. Here here's how he ends it. However,
it doesn't seem unreasonable and unreasonable assumption that this could
affect content on WIBC, though no direct evidence supports this,
but discernment and critical thinking could suggest a possibility. We're
(36:09):
pretty equal opportunity. Like the haters of IBC don't really
understand this. Like the folks on the left say your
Republican talking points, and now you've got folks on the
right saying you're bought and paid for by Soros. If
both of those people are saying those things, that tells
us we're doing a pretty good job and calling out
buttholes on each side of the aisle. We are equal opportunity.
Speaker 10 (36:31):
Offenders here, right, don't screw up and we won't have
to rip you real.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Quick to just just I just want to give a
message to Micah. Please never let this guy delete his Facebook.
He is the gift that keeps on giving. He can't
keep his mouth shut. And Micah, the fact that you're
if you have cleared these guys and you have definitive
proof they didn't do it, and you can refute what
Tom Labianco has written in those pieces, and you have
(36:56):
this evidence that could clear these guys who are not
only worker but they're your friends and supporters. You are
a rotten, disgusting dude. Put up or shut up, dude.
Put it out there. Tell us what the investigation showed.
Speaker 10 (37:08):
Again, I don't know if it's three of or not,
but clear the air, right, get these innocent people off
the hook exactly. Yeah, Hey, I better be careful this afternoon,
so I don't want my boss, George Soros to get angry.
Like if I say, Ryan meres Pa sitting down, I might.
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Not have a job this afternoon. Look out.
Speaker 10 (37:29):
We weren't out of time, but I wanted to also
talk about that dork Scott Baldwin too, remember him sister
voting for property tax.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Well we'll save him for tomorrow because we got something
fun on him out of that goon.
Speaker 10 (37:40):
Hey, yeah, big show this afternoon. We got the governor,
we got the Ice director Jeff Bogs two,
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I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!