Kendall & Casey Hour 2, 8-13-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Casey, there's a political fight brewing, and I'm here for.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Of course you are. You always have a front row seat,
don't you.

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Ah. We love a good old fashioned political brawl, and
it looks like we're going to get one out in
the fourth Congressional District. That's where I live.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I know.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
These are my peeps. Big announcement yesterday, Craig Haggard, he
is an Indiana state representative. He has announced he is
running for Congress against incumbent Jim Baird in the fourth
Congressional district. Had a big, big get together last night
and Craig Haggard joins us. Now, Craig, Hello, Hello, good morning.
All right, So, the first question I have to anybody
who subjects themselves to running for any sort of public office,

(00:36):
much less something as large as Congress, why would you
want to do that to yourself?

Speaker 3 (00:42):
Well, A lot of people ask me that I'm joking
and say, maybe too many injuries in the Marine Corps
question my judgment, But in all seriousness, it's because I
would just want to continue to serve. I serve here
in Indiana, and I know we have some issues. You
guys bring those up and keep us in check and
by in Jim. I think Indiana is a really good state.
I think our issues, our problems, our serious problems, are

(01:06):
in d C. And I want to go out there
and be one of those folks that actually care about
the oath I took to the Constitution.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
Craig Haggard's our guest. You know it's Histerday's running for
Congress in the fourth Congressional District against Jim Baird. Now,
the big rumor was that Jim Baird was setting this
thing up for his son, Bo Baird. Obviously he is
a state rep as well out in Putnam County. He's
got a litany of issues that we've laid out on
this program. But now Bo Baird, I saw a post
on social media the other day said no, I'm not

(01:34):
running for Congress. So it looks like it's you against
the old man.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well that's what it looks like. At the end of
the day. I said to someone that asked me a
while back, who are you running against? And I said,
I'm pretty sure I'm running against a Baard. I just
don't know which one. And if this is if Jim's running,
if the congressman's running, then so be it. It doesn't
really change the trajectory of what I'm doing, the work
I'm going to put into it. I'm running because I
believe I could do a better job, and so at

(02:01):
the end of the day, what they do or don't
do doesn't really change what I'm doing.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
I'm wondering how things went last night. You made the
announcement last night at Humble Park. So what was the reception?

Speaker 3 (02:13):
You know, it was great. I mean it was a
wonderful turnout, well over one hundred folks there. I had veterans,
I had people from different supporting groups, sheriffs, mayors, council folks, friends, family.
It was a great event. It turned out really really well.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
What do you run on, because obviously Jim Barrett has
been a rubber stamp for pretty much just whatever the
Republican leadership in the House wants, And what do you
run on? Do you go against that? How does that
play in a Republican primary? What does a campaign look
like for you?

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Well, I think the big difference and I think you've
seen this with my time in the state House, I'm
definitely not a rubber stamp. I vote with the caucus,
I vote against the caucus. I vote for things that
I believe is a best entrance of the constituents and
what I believe constitutionally, And I think that's what I
would the difference I would take to DC. I don't
want to be one of the what they call exotics

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who just screams and wants news time things like that.
I want to govern. But if it means good ideas
are coming from one side to the other, I don't care.
As long as it's a good idea, that's and that's
what I want to do. That's I think that's the difference.
And it doesn't mean being that rubber stamp.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Yeah. I think a great example of that is you
guys in the house were ordered This happens a lot
casey people are ordered not to communicate or support me
in any shape, form or fashion. And you guys were
basically ordered, don't go to that property tax, really, don't
speak at it. Don't give those guys any credit. And
you and Andrew Ireland and Jad Prescott before he turned
down and stabbed us in the back. But at least

(03:46):
you and Andrew Ireland were two of three people who
know only went to that property tax rally. You ultimately
voted against that bad property tax bill, and Craig, I
think that says a lot about your willingness to do
what's right, not what's easy.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
Well, I got to tell you it was. It's one
of those things where a lot of people think it's
tough and I don't. I just I try to do
what's right. But at the same time, I don't try
to throw it in their face because we still have
to govern. Because I'm sure I guarantee I've either done
things in the past or i'll do things in the
future that you guys will probably give me grief over.
Oh yeah, and that's you know, and that's fine, that's

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that's a check in balance, right. I don't get all
that's set about that. I mean, I tried, and I guarantee.
I think I said it before and I said it
last night. The only guarantee I can give you in congresses,
I'm going to work my butt off and I'm sure
i'll screw something up, but I'm sure I'll learn from
it and then admit to those mistakes and try to
not you know, do that again and answer to the people.
So I think that's a background of my military maybe

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fight or pilot background. When you get in from everything.
You debrief, you say what you did wrong. If it's
bad enough, you brief the squadron. It's not a punishment.
It's because you're self evaluating. Hey, we can't be successful
without some failures. And I think that's okay.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Do you do you really want me as your constituent?
I mean, I don't. Are you ready for that? Jelly?

Speaker 3 (05:00):
I think I'm stuck with you, right. You know you're
my cousin. You're my second cousin at the family pic nick.
Now I do want that, because that's fine. I don't
mind the tough questions. If I go on something just
softball questions or this or that, then you know what
does that say about me? And so no beat me up?
That's all right, Craig.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
I'd like to change directions and ask for your input
on the redistricting talk. Where are you with that?

Speaker 3 (05:25):
So you know, I know the vice president came in
and from our understanding, they didn't demand, they didn't threaten.
They just said, hey, we want you to consider this,
and which I appreciate. And I know the leadership talked
to us and said, hey, we want you to do
a deep vibe. Talked to your fellow legislators, talk to
your constituents, and I've reached out to a bunch of

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a tremendous amount of folks who reached out to me.
We've talked on the phone with each other as far
as other House members, and you know, I look at
Indiana and I you know, we have seven out of
nine seats we voted for Trump the last three times
represents Steerwald, who carried the bill that redistrict few years back,
did it with such care that I think we were

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one of the few states that didn't get sued. I
think we're really good. And I, you know, I I
if I had to guess, if I'm in Vegas, I'm
thinking it's probably not going to happen. And so you know,
that's that's where we are with that. It's kind of
an unknown right now, but we have a short time
period for this to happen. But I think I don't

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think we'll see anything happen.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
To be honest, Craig, have you heard from anybody that's
in your in the either the House or the Senate
that's like super fired up about doing this.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
Now?

Speaker 3 (06:38):
As a matter of fact, I've heard really nobody who's
I think Andrew Ireland put out a post that he's
for it, and trust me, I understand. I understand that
they have been jerremandering, you know, the other lad has
for a while and the hypocrisy of them scream screaming
about it is is kind of ridiculous. But we are that,
you know. It's one of those things do we are

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we We're going to go back to the childhood argument,
Well they're doing it, we should do it? Or do
we want to be a model of what we should do?
And that's kind of how that's that's the perspective I
look at when I look at the redistricting issue.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
All right, well, we're expecting we need show content, Craig.
So we're expecting a very uh, fireworks oriented primary. We
expect all sorts of controversial statements and we want to
be the first place you make all of them. So
can we count on you for that?

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Oh you can count on me. I'm sure it'll be
a circus.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
Yeah, there you go. Hey, where can people learn more
about your race for Congress if they want to do that?

Speaker 3 (07:33):
Hagrid for Congress dot Com.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
All right, there you go, Craig Haggard, Thank you, my friend.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
All Right, thanks, guys, it's Kennell and Casey. It's ninety
three w IBC.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
So am I supposed to do some sort of celebratory
dance Because Braun made another new government agency.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
The governor announced Julie Q. Smith is the first director
of Indiana's Office of School Safety.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
So I mean, like, I like, how many of these
new things? For all, for all the huffing and puffing
that Braun did about I'm a business guy and I'm
going to run the state like a business. We created
all these new agencies. He created new agency heads, He
consolidated this, He brought this person in for that. What
happened to the state government. It was a dumpster fire

(08:25):
this year, like it's a dumpster fire every other year.
And in fact it might have even been worse because
they were two and a half billion off their projections.
So like, what about so this person and nothing against her,
I'm sure she's a fine, fine individual, but they're just this.
He created what's it called the Secured No, this was
the existing there was already a thing called the Secured

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School Safety Board.

Speaker 2 (08:50):
It's going to be absorbed into this new office by
Braun's Office of School Safety.

Speaker 1 (08:54):
To get the Capitol Chronicles, amongst others, is a big
expos on this. And basically what they do is they
seminate grant money. Yep, right, the twenty four million dollars
to five hundred Indiana schools. It's going up this year
to over twenty seven million dollars. Correct, And that's fine.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
This board works under the Department of Homeland Security.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
So I mean, it's just one layer of are you
noticing this. It's one layer of government, another layer of government,
another layer of government. Like there's all the strings attached
to all this stuff, and I just I'm done, like
hearing about Bronz done this new, and Bron's done this
new and added this person as well. Clearly none of
it was any different. The state is still in the

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same colossally tragic position it was before Braun took over.
He just basically like rearranges the deck chairs on the Titanic.
And I don't see anything about this other than again,
something for the sake of doing something that's going to
make Indiana that much more proficient or better or anything else.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
The Office of School Safety. It's part of Braun's public
safety agenda. The thing I noticed was when he tweeted
out about it. He said, during my State of the
State address, I promised that I would focus on school safety.
It would be a top priority for me. You remember
what else he mentioned in that State of the State address?

Speaker 3 (10:13):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (10:13):
He said, boy, keV, can you find because I know
what you're getting at. He said he was gonna get
property taxes. One good shot, one good shot.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
Now, keV, could you find Party tax reform?

Speaker 1 (10:24):
Could you find the Chris Hansen interviewing Mike Braun because
that piece of audio is in the Uh. Okay, keV
has it? So for those of you don't know, or
most of you know, but for those of you who
were paying attention or were on vacation or whatever. After
Braun lied to everyone and screwed seven million people and

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basically stuck both of his middle fingers in our face,
which he's doing again, by the way, that he's even
pondering a special session for redistricting, after telling us during
property tax reform, there's no point in this. It doesn't
do any good. It's just it would be a colossal
waste of time and taxpayer money. We dubbed Mike Brawn
and the Republicans financial predators, and we said, it's time

(11:09):
to start catching some of these financial predators. And if
you're going to catch a predator, who better than friend
of the show Chris Hansen. And this is what we
came up with. I'm Chris Hansen, and this is an
investigation called Hanson versus Predator. And what is your plan?

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Your time?

Speaker 4 (11:32):
We cannot accept rising property taxes as an unfortunate fact
of life or explore every avenue to reduce the burden
on hard working who's your families?

Speaker 2 (11:44):
How do we do this?

Speaker 1 (11:46):
I guarantee you that we're going to give.

Speaker 4 (11:47):
It one good shot at getting that back in place
where it needs to be.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
This does not look very good for you.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
We got a lot over the finish line in the
last two to three days, which was basically late last week.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Let's see if any of this sounds familiar.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
While you enjoy your piece centers, we can let government
in efficiencies impede our success or reshaped government to sincerely
serve the people.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
How about that? Has it line ever worked for you before?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
So I campaigned on this, made it the number one issue.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Do you see how this looks?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
In a state like Indiana? Your veto means nothing other
than symbolic and there's no guarantee that you get anything
out of it. So if there's anything else you want
people to know, anything you want to say, now, it
would be a good time to say too many seniors
and young families are getting priced out of their homes
due to run away property taxes. I heard it for

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two years on end.

Speaker 1 (12:46):
How does this look? How does that look? If you
were me? What would you think?

Speaker 4 (12:51):
You can make that point? I respect it.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
There's something you need to do, and that is on
Chris Hansen, and this is an investigation called Hanson versus.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
I will be signing it.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Yes, just a reminder of how the governor lied right
to your face. And now when it comes to smooching
Trump's butt cheeks and jamming his nose as far in
between them as he can. Oh, he's open to that
special session for that. Boys and girls, all day, every day,
help you afford to stay in your home.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Heck no, okay. Another story came out yesterday, and this
one I don't like it at all.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
Uh oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Illinois becomes the first date to mandate annual mental health
screenings for public school students in grades three through twelve.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
What does that mean?

Speaker 2 (13:38):
This law is going to take effect in the twenty
seven to twenty eight school year, and parents can opt
their children out of the screenings. Oh, the screenings will
be self conducted via digital or pay per forms. They're
intended to flag early signs of depression, anxiety or trauma,
not diagnose them.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
And then what let's say your kid answers something and
they have an early sign of that, what does like
the DCS people show up or like what why is
this the school's job? That's your job as a parent, right,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Doesn't it seem like it's a bit of an overstep.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Well, and that's my question is what's the end goal
with this? Like why is the school? Why is the
government at all qualified to be engaging in this? And
what's some generic answer on a piece of paper is?
And then what you like, I said, then what you
send in the send in the in the army?

Speaker 4 (14:37):
Like what what?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Why? Why would you do this? Yeah, I'm with you.
This sounds like a horrible idea.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
The state superintendent said that this is a shift from
reaction to prevention in regards to students' mental health. This
is the job of mom and dad.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, you're right, and this is another example of the
government trying to usurp your that authority say that we
know better, and I would be I mean, and then
here's the thing you can opt out.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
For now right now, I'm I'm all for normalizing mental health.
But another thing to consider with this is that this
could create some issues with your insurance coverage as well.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
Well, right, that's an interesting It's interesting that you would
say that because, let's say the government identifies your kid,
oh my gosh, junior, based on answer to question twenty
seven is the dire need of some sort of mental

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health counseling? Well, who's paying for that? Or does that
become your responsibility? Does the government get to dictate that?
And I come back to the fact that you're in
charge of your kid. That's your job. And this sounds
like something that will not be able to opt out

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of in the not too distant future.

Speaker 2 (16:14):
There is good news in Indiana schools the twenty four
to twenty five I Read scores. They showed the largest
year to year improvement since testing began in twenty thirteen.
Eighty seven point three percent of third graders demonstrated reading proficiency,
up nearly five percentage points from last year. It's the
highest proficiency rate since before the pandemic.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
There's too many of these standards. It seems like every
week we're reading a different thing and it seems to
be giving a different result. There's too many of these standards.
We got to pick one thing and go with it
because there's two, right, I mean, it doesn't it seem
like every week there's some new story about reading or math,
and sometimes it's up and sometimes it's down, and sometimes
it's you know, pass or sometimes it's like there's too

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many of these to keep track of. Kids should be
able to read by the third grade. They should probably
be able to read by a certain level by the
third grade. If they can't, they probably need more help.
But I just am I just an old man who
yells at clouds. Were saying, there's just too many of
these things. That seems like we get one of these
stories in the Capitol Chronicle every single week? Am I

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imagining that? No?

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It does seem like there's always something coming out about
this And is this a situation where this is how
they're doing their proof of performance justifying.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
I think there's too many tests. I think we have.
I think we have and I'm not saying this is
somebody with all the answers, right, but I think you know,
Tony Kennet would be a great guy to talk with
this about obviously because he was he was a teacher.
I think we've gutted like when when you were when
you were kid, every class was actually different, Like you

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took a great interest in the summer when the announced
who your teacher was going to be, and people would
cheer for, and if you had some connected parent, you
might even try to pull some strings to get certain
teachers over others, because some were known to be mean
old ladies, some were known to be better looking than others,
and some were just because you knew, yeah, it's funny, Kevin,

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you knew, yeah, you did that too. Even at ten,
we knew who the good looking teachers were, and some
were just because they were great teachers and they did
cool stuff. And you'd heard from kids who had come before,
maybe they had siblings or whatever that were your age,
how great that teacher was. It seems like because of
the standardized testing that we have created some sort of

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just like generic blanket of what kids have to learn,
and in many ways the manner which they have to
learn it, and we've got the ability of teachers to
be special and unique. And I think we need to
get back to more of that because I think that's
how kids learn better.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Students who don't pass, they have to receive some science
of reading aligned instruction, and then they retest each and summer.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
The more the federal government over the forty years, the
more the federal government forty five years now, the more
the federal government has got involved in public education, the
worse the results have been. And you want to fix it,
that's where you got to start. You get the federal
government and the strings that come with the money and
those sort of things out of the way and let
local school districts administer education. Education should be a local

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issue and have local control and the local school boards
and the local superintendents policing and administering education. There's too much.
There's too much at the state level. There's certainly too
much of the federal level of people who have nothing
to do and never step foot in the classrooms making
choices about the classrooms.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Somebody got a sagamore of the wallbash brom who it
wasn't us, Sure as hell wasn't me. We'll talk about
that coming up. It's ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Case. So there's the hang on a second. Just go ahead, Kevin.
It's fine. It was long ago leaving us that she
wanted to pick the music thing. I mean, you're not
leaving for good.

Speaker 4 (20:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
I requested a lot of Bob Segarette.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, I mean you're scheduled to be back Wednesday, Like,
you're not leaving permanently. I just want to point that out.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
Very good.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
It's kind of the Case Show, Rob Casey's here.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
For now.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Casey's like, Kevin, can you play all the Bob Seeger hits?
And I'm like, oh my gosh, how many times can
we hear? Turn the page that one?

Speaker 2 (20:40):
I'm sure he'll line up main Street. Yeah, you know what,
I get a day all right? Out of all of
the Bruce Springsteen songs that I've endured over the years,
let's just play music.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
People have heard nine million, eight and thirty two times.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
There's a reason why they like it, because they're hits.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
Okay. So there's an interesting article from Fox fifty nine
about these wind turbines that are coming to Blackford, Indiana.
So head head north from here right and you'll run
into eventually Blackford, Indiana. And I am torn on this
because I believe in personal property rights. I believe in

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freedoms and liberties. However, I also recognize that if you're
going to do something that is going to dramatically impact
the character of the area and the future of the area,
then the public at large gets us say in that
because we all, if they live in the community, they

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have a vested interest in what's going on. So I
see both sides of this in the sense of a
farmer's ability to do with his land as long as
it doesn't harm somebody else as he sees fit. But
then I also see the ability of the people who
live in the area to stand up to protest, to
say that doesn't work for us and what we believe
this community should be, and to have a that I

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bitch all the time at town council meetings about housing developments,
about things that are going in because of the impact
they can have on me, both in my taxes, my
ability to travel infrastructure. So I see both sides of
this debate. Obviously, you know I am nostalgic for historical

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uses of land. I believe in the idea of Indiana's
mission of feeding a nation. But I have a very
good friend, Farmer Ryan, who sponsors our State House Happening show,
who that's what he primarily does is he feeds a nasan,
but also part of his farm has these on them.
And he said it, I'm not saying anything he hasn't
said publicly on these on these airwaves. Farmer Ryan, the

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owner of Freedom Foods Indiana, that they get so much
money from these people to put these things on their
property versus what they can.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Help subsidize, versus income.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Yeah, versus what he can he gets more putting these
things on his property versus what can sell the food
for and he doesn't have to farm the land. He's like,
I don't necessarily I'm not the world's greatest cheerleader of
these things, but I would be a moron with the
ability to do it in the area in which he
lives to not put them on there. So this is

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a heated thing that's going on up there in Blackford,
and it's everywhere. And I think this debate is something
that everybody better pay attention to because these whatever we
call them, renewable energy companies are looking to get their
version of this, whether it's the solar panels or whatever,

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any and everywhere possible.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
It's the Blackford Wind Project, expected to produce energy for
the next thirty years. It's being developed by a Texas
based company and they already operate over twenty similar different
facilities nationwide. Construction is already underway for this and the
facility expected to be online by late next year. Now,
thet we mentioned Fox fifty nine had it. They did

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cite some farmers and one farmer is opposing the project
and he says that it won't truly promote county growth.
Revenue will be directed towards the wrong programs, property values
will decline, and it also detracts from the county's agricultural heritage.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, this is like and this is where the real
conversation comes. What what right do you have as a
resident of an area? What what right do you have?
What rights do you have to be able to impact
people to do on their property as they see And

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that's the real that's the real discussion in this case.
Like you said, these farmers are making the case. It's
going to change the character of the area. It is
not consistent with historical land use of the area. It
eliminates the ability to then do certain things with the land,
and or other people's potential ability can impact their ability.

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And look, once the things are on there, that's it.
That's what the land's being used for now. The argument
I might make is, and I have no idea the
actual debates if these have ever been considered. If you
told me Rob, there's a large farm field near you
and that farmer, and this is part of the problem
with the farmers getting out of the game. Inflation, taxes,

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the way, we don't value or instilled farming the way
we once did. New generations of people who have traditionally
carried on farms are getting out of the game. They
want to sell the land, they want to do something
else with it, and so they basically say, we're selling
this land one way or another. I've seen this happen
actually in Pittsburgh, which is right up the road for me.
There's a data center that's proposed to go in there.

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And one of the arguments that I've been told has
been made is, Hey, these people are selling this land
and to the people community dealer's choice. You want six
hundred acres of high density how housing development where all
these people are going to be using you stuff, or
you want this one big ugly thing that's going to
go there and sit data set. We're getting out of

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this game regardless, right, Yeah, And so if we're doing that,
you have got to dictate what you want the thing
to be there, because they ain't going to be a
farm field forever. And so it's a real thing people
are struggling with. So if you were to tell me, Rob,
it could be these ugly wind turbines and it'll still
be I mean, they're not quiet, but in terms of
traffic or whatever, or you can have a hide in

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sea housingot. I guess I would take these. It just sucks.
You have to make the choice.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
So they're saying that it helps these farmers diversify their
income just like you mentioned, and that the wind towers
they are going to generate electricity while still allowing a
portion of the land for agricultural use. JD. Prescott supports
the project. He called it a win win for local
and regional economic growth.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Boy, nobody knows how to piss a constituent off like JD. Prescott. Boy,
he just he finds a way. You know. JD. Prescott's
amazing because I didn't know the human body can do this. JD.
Prescott is one of the few guys that at the
same time can both insert his foot in his mouth
and up between his butt cheeks at the same time.
It is amazing that guy's ability to piss people off.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
He emphasized the importance of diversifying Indiana's energy portfolio, which
does include wind, solar, coal, nuclear, and natural gas, all
of them.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Look Indiana, especially under Holcombe, and especially in the post
COVID world where money and capital got relatively cheap, it
has a lot of space and it takes a very
resolute and consistent and consistent local governance to fight back

(27:49):
on all of these things because they are relentless, these
data center people, relentless. If they can't get it in
your community, they'll go to the next one. And it's
never going to and you've just got you just like
it's like the whole thing right. You got to be
right all the time. They only got to get it
right once because once they're there, they going away, and
you just got to get one group of people or
whatever and then just could put there it goes it's gone.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
So a Sagamore of the Wabash was awarded.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
Oh nobody even told me I got one.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
It's nineteen. Dark State rep from Fort Wayne awarded the
Sagamore to Michael and Nancy Uslin. Huh and Michael created
and taught the world's first accredited college course on comic
books at IU in nineteen seventy one.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
He got a Sagamore for that, Like that's why they're saying,
like he didn't pull a small child out of a well.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
In nineteen seventy nine, he acquired the film rights to Batman.
He served as the executive producer on every Batman film
Since he won Daytime Emmy. He's got some other awards
and he's a current professor of practice at I Use
Media Squads. Okay, so donated his thirty thousand comic collection
to I Use Lily Library.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Okay, so he did more than just teach a class
on comic books. But given the people who have gotten
the Sagamores, they get, you know, we laugh. We laugh
about this, like the Sagamore of the Wabash Award for
those who don't know it is. I think the Satchem
is technically higher, a higher award, but that is so
rare that it ever gets given out. The Sagamore or

(29:26):
the Wabash pre Mike Pince was this incredibly distinguished word,
and even early Pence. I know somebody who got one
under Pence who is exactly the sort of person who
should have got it. The person worked for Department of
Corrections for decades, service to the state, was a local
soccer coach, very successful, for his whole life was public service.

(29:49):
And that's the sort of person who should be getting
this word the most distinguished best amongst us is what
the Sagamore of the Wabash is supposed to be about.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
Okay, So the honor recognizes decades of service, which you mentioned,
philanthropy and also contribution to the arts. So that's where
this award winner is coming in.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
This is fine, Like I was having fun with the
idea that it was like, there's no way the guy
just taught a class on comic books. Although anymore, who knows.
But what you have seen under the end of Pens,
not early on, but the end of Pens and then
hulkm basically the whole time was they totally deluded what
the award meant by giving them to politicians. Heck, Raju

(30:32):
I think has two of them.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
Yeah, with the red, white, and blue.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Am I wrong? Didn't I read that?

Speaker 2 (30:38):
So?

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Yeah, like they just started giving them away to cronies,
to political people. That's what it's supposed to be. It's
supposed to be a way to recognize people who, for
love of state, for love of community, spent their lives
going above and beyond. Like you know, you come in
every day and for fifty thousand listeners, you give of

(31:01):
yourself for the community. You know, those sort of people.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
Casey, Yeah, you you may qualify for I guess your
contribution to the media arts.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Let's be as specific as we can be. I am never,
and I mean ever getting a Sagamore or the wall badge.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
Well, I'm glad your expert, your expectations are at the
right place.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
All right, Hammer joins us next Kettle.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
And Casey on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
It's one of the great lines in Facebook history. Stop
embarrassing your wife. It's a kettle of cazes, jo Rob
Gasey's here, Jason Hammer.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Hello, So now I've been dragged into one of your
feuds here.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
So real quick, can I just make an editorial comment?
And I've tried to tell people this. You are the
last person I would want mad at me, Like, if
you think I'm bad, you are infinitely more spiteful, more petty, meaner.
Like this guy has opened up a whole can of worms.
I'm glad he did because I can't wait to watch
this unfold. But you are the last person I would

(32:07):
want mad at me.

Speaker 5 (32:08):
That means a lot, Rob, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
I appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (32:11):
So everybody knows that there's a little scuttle butt between
you and Micah Beckwe you guys had a bad breakup.
You guys are Billy Joel and Christy Brinkley turned sour
and it got very bad, very quickly. So I don't
know how, but the husband of Micah's current chief of staff.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Her last name I believe is Ellis. That's right.

Speaker 5 (32:34):
So the husband is going on social media and starts
with a feud with you, which, okay, that's kind of
your thing. Yeah, so I'm just kind of laughing. I'm
watching it unfold. Next thing, you know, Captain Moron here
starts saying that everybody here at WIBC.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
Is bought and paid for by Soros. This is the
same guy that apparently stooged and said something about there
being a grand jury involving I don't know. I guess
Micah's office, and nobody had said anything about that, so
why you would bring that up is weird. So this
is the same guy, right then he tries to walk
it back a little bits the whole day, trying to

(33:10):
be like a disclaimer. My opinions don't represent Michael Becker.
Nobody said they did. You're just mad because you're a
moron and got caught.

Speaker 5 (33:19):
He's one of these husbands that can't handle his wife
being a big deal.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
Now her job is a big deal. Maybe she is,
maybe she isn't. I don't know. I've never met the woman.
She might be a delight.

Speaker 5 (33:30):
I have no idea, But I know a moron husband
when I see one, And this guy, all he's doing
is making his wife's job harder because he's putting out
factually incorrect information on social media. When you call him
on it, then he tries to be a little weasel.
He's one of these dudes with very little self confidence.

(33:52):
His wife has a high profile job. She's the chief
of staff of a flame throwing Republican in Indiana. Right now,
he can't handle it. So when you call him on it,
he gets butt hurt. So I simply posted last night
those exact words, stop embarrassing your wife.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
I believe he's.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
Part of this church group that has some sort of
pull for the Lieutenant Governor's office for some reason.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (34:17):
Again, I've never worked in there, but stop embarrassing your wife.
You're making her job harder because you're a moron. And
that was basically my message last night.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
And he kept trying to go back and forth with you,
which is a horrible idea, right if you want.

Speaker 5 (34:35):
To go down that rabbit hole, you have no idea
the pettiness that I'm willing to go through, like the
information that I'm able to find, Like when Channel thirteen
got cute. You think it was just a mistake that
all that information of them gambling on Andrea Morehead's cancer
treatment got out there. More people like me than these people.
They just don't want to admit their friends with me.

(34:55):
So yeah, bring it on out there, man, I'm here
for it. I didn't art this thing. I'm actually trying
to help the wife who I've never met.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
In my life, because I.

Speaker 5 (35:06):
Would feel humiliated, like if because my wife's bit of
a hotthead too, the coupon lady. She gets a little mouthy,
but if she ever did something that was hurting my job,
I'd have to pull the coupon lady aside and say,
we're gonna have to have a conversation here that I
don't think is happening here. And this moron keeps making
his wife's job harder. What husband does that?

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Speaking of conversations, you had one with the governor yesterday.
We did. We talked about a number of things.

Speaker 5 (35:35):
We talked about the meeting with jd Vance, is the jerrymandering,
or they're gonna be redistricts, all that kind of stuff.
But the interesting stuff to me was when we brought
up the controversy that's currently happening at the Lieutenant Governor's office.
And again, go back and listen to it. And this
is my opinion. I asked Nige if he felt this way.
I couldn't really get a good read on how he felt,

(35:59):
but I just get the impression Braun is worn out
by having.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
To deal with all this stuff.

Speaker 5 (36:04):
Now, you can criticize the governor for all the things
you want. Okay, that's fine, that's a separate conversation. But
the governor should never be worn out by the lieutenant governor.
The president should never be worn out by the vice president. Right,
So it just feels to me like he's dealing with
a teenage kid that keeps going out past curfew and

(36:26):
breaking the law, and here he is going, I'm trying
to work here, and this moron keeps going out and
making things hard, just like the husband who's making things
hard for his wife. You know, his wife's working hard
as a chief of staff, and mister insecure husband here
can't handle it. I get the impression, my opinion only,
that Braun is just worn out because again Beckwith wasn't

(36:49):
his choice anyway.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
What is coming up? You have a very fabulous number
one rated radio program. What are we doing? You have
a special guest this afternoon, don't.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
You so live golf announcer Pas Perez. Yeah, I'm going
to tag you into this conversation, rightsided. So you're the
golf guys. I want you to come on here and
talk to Pat Perez with.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
I love this. I'm so excited about this. He has
some of the coolest hair in all of golf. He's
a wild guy, he's a fun guy. He had like
a mummt before, but I think he might be clean cut.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
Now.

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yeah, it's very disappointing, but yeah, so Live Golfs gonna
be here Friday through Sunday.

Speaker 5 (37:21):
And so you got d Pat Perez de Pat Perez,
Tony kennetson Israel. We're gonna check in with him and uh,
the biggest stories of the day. And I'll try not
to embarrass my wife. Like the chief of staff at
the Lieutenant Governor's office.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
It's a kindled Casey show. I'm embarrassing your wife.