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Speaker 1 (00:00):
These politicians just won't let me leave them alone.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You don't leave them alone either, I really try, though.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, I would think about with Diego, how many times
have we been like we're done with this and then
he goes out and like insults us or does something
stupid or whatever. Like these people will just not let
me leave them alone, no matter how much. Ever, in
every fiber of my being, I want to be nothing
but done with them.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So the Lieutenant Governor Micah Beck with he went on
with Hammer and Nigel yesterday, and if you notice, for
the past week, basically both on social media and here
on these airwaves, I haven't mentioned the guy, and I'd
done that. I talked to quite a few people over
the past week or so before that, and I'm just.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Sick of him. I'm just sick of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And look, I want to preface what we're about to
talk about by setting some things up for people, okay,
because I think sometimes people they get into the show
and the entertainment aspect of it and may sometimes lose track,
especially with me, that I am a real person. There
is a real person behind what you hear every day
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I have I've gotten no joy whatsoever. Out of what
has gone down with me and Micah, it has crushed me.
Micah was an integral part of my life for basically
four years. I considered Mike at one point, at least
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in my mind, he was one of the people I
was closest to.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was one of my best friends probably, and.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Because of that, I allowed things to go on, both
things that we saw on this radio program, things we
saw publicly and things I saw personally that I never
would have tolerated with any other politician for months, because
in my mind I kept justifying it. In my mind,
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I kept saying, yeah, but and despite and really most
of it comes down to him not telling the truth,
him not leveling with people, him not being straight with people,
him outright lying about things. And finally I had a
conversation and this is actually a conversation with somebody who
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Micah knows very well and has been around for many,
many many times, and bi all accounts he thinks very
highly this person. Because I was struggling with this, like
how do I handle this? And finally this person told
me something that really registered with me. And this is
basically about the time we had to just cut him off.
They said, if it were any other person, if for
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any other politician, would you be treating them the way
you're treating Micah? And I thought about it for I
said answers no, and they said, then you can't do
it anymore. Your job, the thing you do, the reason
people trust you is because you hold all of these
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people accountable. And if you're not going to hold him
to the same standard you hold everybody else, then you
might as well just pack it up, dude, hypocrisy, right,
And I said, you're absolutely right. And so for the
past two months, three months, whatever it's been now, I
have been doing the thing that I actually told Mike
I was going to do when he got elected wohild
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is treat him like every single other politician, hold the
same level of account that I hold every single other politician.
He claimed he wanted it. I mean, it's obvious now
he really didn't. But that's what I do every single day.
And it breaks my heart to have to do it
because I wanted mikea so badly, Casey, you know, we
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hate all these people, and I so badly wanted him
to be the one guy that was different. I so
badly wanted to believe what he was saying when he
was running and the time that I had spent around him,
that he was going to be different, that he was
going to stand up for the people, that he was
going to fight the battles that needed to be fought.
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And it just simply hasn't happened. He just simply isn't
that person. He's just another politician. He's just another guy.
And so before we talk about all this stuff, because
it's all Rob's doing this for ratings. Rob's at the BABA.
We don't need Micah for our ratings. We were number
one way before Micah will be number one after Micah.
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You tune in for a whole swath of reasons that
have nothing to do with Micah beck With. We could
make two kids play in a park entertaining. We don't
need Micah beck With or a feud or a made
up feud. This has broken my heart to have to
go through this, but my obligation is always to you.
And if there are people out there who people I
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have been friends with THEE for years now, we're mad
at me, It's fine. Gotta look myself in the mirror.
Gott to look myself in the mirror. So I want
to touch on that. Okay, before we get to hammer
in Nigel, I want to talk about these town halls
for a second, if that's all right, because this he
was on yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They did a fabulous job with this interview. If you
haven't listened to it, go back and listen the whole thing.
We're all play some clips coming up here in a second,
because there's some stuff we have to address. But the
town halls are I think an important insight into the
whole micah m O, because for those of you who don't know,
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I think most people do by now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He had a town hall. He goes around the state.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's set up in a Charlie Kirk type fashion where
there's a what, there's a loud speaker right, and somebody
has a microphone. And I mean, look, Charlie Kirk's his hero,
and he wants to be Charlie Kirk, and that's.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Why he set this up the way it is.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And he had a town hall in Warwick County and
there were some people there who are totally nuts and
got totally out of control. And those people were ultimately
arrested and it sounds like they should have been.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
When you go to an event with the government official,
we always tell you, we always tell you be loud, right,
be intense, but you got follow the laws. You can't
be you know, you can't be violent with people. You
can't be causing a disturbance. You have to operate in
inside the confines of decent society. The problem with these
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town halls is that that's what Micah wants.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, we always say we want them to be transparent,
and here is a statewide elected official who is going
out and engaging with constituents.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But he's not. He's doing this for himself. Those people
because they can't control themselves. They gave him exactly what
he wanted. He is all over the news, which is
what he craves, which is attention, because of the way
they behaved. They gave him exactly what they wanted. And
here's how I know. He's been doing these town halls
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for what six months now? Right, Basically he pretty much
started them as soon as he got elected. But will
we'll err on the side of caution and say six
months in the six months because he says, I'm here
to listen to you, right, I'm here to get feedback Okay.
First of all, he has no power, he has no
ability to make a law right, So it's like ridiculous
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that he's supposedly out on this listening tour. I've seen
the townhos that watch them live stream. Most of the
townholls are not him listening. It's him fighting with people,
which is what he wants. He's trying to get viral moments.
He's trying to get himself on the news. And if
you don't believe me.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That that's what these town halls are actually about, which
is there about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Him and not you? Can anybody tell me one piece
of legislation? He's been doing these for six months all
over the state. Can anybody tell me one piece of
legislation that Micah Beckwith has proposed out of the out
of these town halls where he has had a press conference,
he has said, I heard this, I've gone to LSA,
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I've written this down. I'm presenting this to Rod Bray,
to Todd Houston. Can you tell me one thing he
has done out of these town hallspos a listening tour
that benefits anybody but himself?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No, he doesn't create legislation, But you're saying he needs
to go to the people that do and say, this
is what I've learned, this is.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What is priority for Hoosiers. We need to take care
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sure, he claims like he's always oh yeah, I'm against
the utility rates going up. But then you'll say something
Asinin'm like, well, if you're not growing, you're dying. What
is the state doing? How is the state growing? The
state is quote unquote growing on all of these things
that are going to raise utility utility bills? Does he
have any proposed legislation? He's heard this from every place
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he's gone. He's heard the same thing from people. If
the town halls were really about anything but himself, he
would be proposing or day is what two and a
half months away, right where all the doing starts going.
If he had some big thing of all these things
that he had heard, he would be out by now.
It's like as laughable as Braun saying like I'm coming
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back next year for something on property taxes. You aren't
coming back for anything, because if you were, you'd have
it out by now. You had a year and a
half on your property tax thing. Where that gets you
got you nowhere? We're gonna believe in two months, you're
gonna sell somebody on some transformational local government reform or whatever.
He's trying to convince those well meaning people that he
meets with that he's gonna do, of course not.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
There's nothing you can look.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
At out of these town halls that Micah has done
that is in any way going to benefit you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
None. Zero.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
There would be tons of policies being proposed. He barely
even ever posts on social media about anything he's for
or again, as it relates to things that have come
out of these town halls. So people need to get
it through their heads when you go to these town halls,
When you go to these town halls, you are going
to benefit him. He doesn't care about you, he doesn't
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have the ability to help you, and he wants the
viral moment that he got the other night. Now he's
putting people in danger by doing this. Somebody's going to
get seriously hurt at one of these Eventually. Maybe he's
okay with that. I don't know. But if you go
to one of these going forward, recognize there is not
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one thing he has done out of them in six
months that has been proposed publicly. He can't even point
to a meeting he's had with Bray or Houston or Braun.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
About them, because he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's about helping himself and if you go to them,
he's not processing what you're telling him.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
He's helping himself. All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And by the way, we're only doing this because he
went on with Hammer Nigel yesterday and he said some
totally ridiculous stuff that is totally unacceptable for us.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
To let it go. We'll talk about it. We'll play
the audio when we come back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, So we got to play some of this audio
from the Lieutenant Governor with Hammer and Nigel yesterday because
they did a phenomenal job interviewing him and they got
a lot of stuff on the record that is just
it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Its Kennel Case Show.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm Rob Casey's here, all right, So I'm going to
say this because like in Casey, you know this, You've
been around me for a long time. When I get information,
do I just run out and tell everybody about it?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
When we get I get stories.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do I just immediately throw them up on social media?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Do I run on these air.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Waves, or do I spend a lot of time verifying sources.
Like let's take the Bohachik Mike Bohatchik, the state Senator
who is alleged to have blown the point two eighty
three and the DUI charges and all that stuff. Right,
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you knew about that for quite a while. How long
did I sit on that and get things confirmed before
I ran.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Out with it?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was a while, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Same thing with the bo Baird story. The state rep.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
From Putnam County who Bo Baird had the OWI in
whatever that was twenty seventeen or eighteen, and nobody knew
about it, and he didn't disclose it because conveniently, some
wrong things were entered into the public record. Right, How
long did I sit on that before I verified sources
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to get it right?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
That was a while, And that happens with a lot
of this stuff. It takes a while, yeah, for all
of the information to be released.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And that's why, over the nine years that I've been here,
when I come out with stuff, when I break news,
when I say things, that's what the like, How can
you think of a time on a big story where
I've run out with something now where I've been like,
didn't go through this process right to verify, to painstakingly
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independently of multiple sources, right get information before I brought
it out. So I can say safely that there is
a grand jury that is looking into Micah's office, there
is an investigation going on related to that, I can
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safely say it is more than just artificial intelligence pornography.
The investigation is is bigger than that. And one of
the things that is very frustrating is that I struggle
to see how if I know that's going on, as
a total outsider to the State House, as a total
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outsider to Indiana politics and government, I really struggled to
see how Micah himself, with three and a half million
dollars worth of staff at his disposal, couldn't also know
that was going on.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And yet yesterday on.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Hammer and Nige, when we will play you some of
these clips here, he appears to vehemently deny any of
this is taking plasure having knowledge that it's taking place.
And the thing that really gets me is the first
person to talk about a grand jury wasn't me, wasn't Abdul,
wasn't tom Lo Bianco. It was the husband of Micah's
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chief of staff. That was the first guy to stooge
out that apparently there was a grand jury because he
used the phrase grand jury on his social media account. Now,
this guy then proceeded to go at Hammer and we've
covered their feedback in forth and Hammer addressed this yesterday
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with Micah, let's take a little listen to this.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
A lot of questions, a lot of rumors about what's
going on in your office. There was this story of
an AI video that was being shared in your office.
And then the husband of your chief of staff, this moron,
goes on social media rips WIBC and saying that we're
all bought by Soros. And you know, I get if
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there's a beef with other members of our station here,
but when this idiot starts bringing me into this thing,
that's where I got a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Micah.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
He's the one that said there was a grand jury
involved may have been an accident, but he put it out.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
On social media.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
So the million dollar question is is there a grand
jury looking into activities from your office.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
No, we haven't heard that. And listen, okay, Stu is
he's a friend, but he's not part of our office. Okay,
Sherry's doing a great job.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
He's a moron, Nikah, and we know each other well
enough I can say he's embarrassing his wife.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, So we're led to believe then that the husband
of Micah's chief of staff, Oh yeah, he doesn't technically
work for the office, but he just made up the
phrase grand jury, that he just pulled that out of
his backside, and he would do that to his wife
and to Micah who's a close friend of his, and
everybody else without it being true. That's what we're led
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to believe has happened here in the dismissive way in
which he just pushed that, pushed that aside.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So they went on then to ask him a little
bit more about the AI porn side of things. And
I want to play that audio clip and respond to it.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Take a listen, Micah, you said your office did like
an internal investigation of this whole saga here, and I've
said on the air, look, I don't know if the
video exists.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
I have no idea, but if I heard Joe hogg
set say we've done an investigation and everything's fine, I'd
have a hard time with that. Are you open to
having somebody else, like do an investigation.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
If they can actually give me a shread of evidence
that this thing actually exists. I'm not just going to
let these abduls drag our office into these types of
battles all day long, because all they have to do
then next week is create some other lie and an allegation,
and then we're back into another investigation. I'm not going
to play that game with them. If someone can prove
to me that there is a video and that it
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was watched or seen in my office, or there was
some aspect of proof, we will absolutely have someone else
come in and do the investigation. But at this point,
we've done our internal investigation.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
We did it thoroughly.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
We interviewed every person that was allegedly had some connection
to being accused of being a part of this or
knew of this, and every single time we could not
find a shred of evidence that this thing actually occurred.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, here's the problem with that. He's now admitted there's
no law enforcement that came in. There's no person who
has any background on this whatsoever. There's no person with
any skills set whatsoever. It would not even forensics or
US not.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
The state police.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'm Mary County Prosecutor's office. At least now we know
in great job by Hammer and Nigel, it's just him
asking his buddies, did you do it? He has no
computer background to do this. He didn't bring in a
third party and the problem and okay, fine, if that's
what you want to do, but that's your investigation. That
is the investigation at this point, and if Mike is
fine with that, it's his office. The problem with that, though,
is he's allowing his guys to twist in the wind
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because of this. If these are not only his workers,
they're some of his closest friends and supporters, and he's
supposedly had this magic key to set all of this free.
And by the way, if lobion Go's wrong, the guy
who wrote the story, I've said this numerous times, they
should sue that guy for everything he has. If he
just made this story up, they should sue him for
everything has. And one of them is an attorney, so
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it wouldn't cost anything to file.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The problem with this, though, is that I have talked
to someone who alleges that they saw the video and
they have described to me in great detail, not only
seeing the video, but these circumstances around which the video
is viewed, and that person is cooperating with the authorities.
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So if that person's.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Lying, this would be the most crazy thing to lie about,
because they have put themselves to be for the potentially
to be in such.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
A world of hurt, such a world of trouble, like
they go to prison, they can face all of this stuff.
Why would that person lie about that. It's easy to say, oh,
I have duels a gossip girl and he's of this
and he's that. What about me, Micah? How many times
have I been right about stuff over the years? How
many times I've been.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right about stuff? Hell, we got the JD Vance thing
and Casey, how long did I go through that? I
had that way ahead of time and sat on it
and we were first on that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So now do that with me, Micah, say that about me?
Say Rob Kendall's a gossip girl.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
See I just.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Make it up. You can't do that. That's the problem.
I've talked to somebody who says they viewed the video.
Now again, if they're lying, they're going to be in
a whole world of trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
All right. I want to take one more break because
there's one other clip I want to play because they
asked him directly about the grand jury, and I want
to play that because I think that that may be
the most important thing of all.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, we got a place more audio from this, this
interview the Lieutenant Governor did with the Hammer Nigel yesterday.
But look, before we get to that, I want to
say this again because this has torn a lot of
people apart. What's being alleged to have happened in the
Lieutenant Governor's.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Office, and this is a look.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Many people that I've known for years are very angry
with me right now for covering the story. And my
message to the people at large is my obligation to
you has always been been here nine years and when
I started here, I was as low on the total pole.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
As we could you could get.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And have you know, we've all risen together, right, And
there were people who when I started here couldn't stand me,
and people like Jerry Lopez, he talks about this.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because I am resolute in my search of the truth
and holding politicians accountable, and my obligation to you is
to hold everybody to the same level once they have,
you know, put their hand on a bible.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And taken the oath of office.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And I think I got a really good track record
of giving you information that I know when I know it.
And if you want to be upset at me for
that because I'm treating this guy that way have treated
everybody else, then that's okay. If you want to be
mad at me because of that, Like fine, I'm sorry,
I don't know what to tell you, but I'd be
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doing a disservice to the tens of thousands of people
who listen every day if I didn't give you this
information once it once it comes from sources that I trust,
or things that I know.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
To be true.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
If I just didn't tell you because I was worried, Well,
he's popular in this corner. This guy's popular in that corner.
That's my job, that's what that's what we do here
every day. And so I love you too much, I
care about you the audience too much to not tell
you these things. And you can be mad at me
if you want, and you know that that's just like
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all right. So I did want to play one other
clip and Jason Hammer will be with us next to
go in depth a little bit more on this, because they
did a great job with this interview. So they asked
Hammer and Nigel ask the Lieutenant Governor, Micah beck With
yesterday if indeed there is a grand jury investigation into
his office.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is what he had to say. Is there no
grand jury investigation?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm hearing grand jury. Hearing stuff from from our coworker,
abduel A Kim Shabaz about ghosts, employment and time sheets
sheets in campaign. You know, you know, campaign stuff that's
not going on.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, I've listen.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
I don't know anything about a grand jury. We haven't
heard anything. I don't know anyone in my office who's
been contacted by the by the prosecutor's office.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, so the problem for me with that one is
that the chief of staff's husband here to admit there
is a grand jury investigation unprompted.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That's a major issue.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't I don't think any reasonable person would think, well,
he just made that up. Why would he do that,
How would that in any way benefit his wife or Micah,
who is very close Why would he use that phrase?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But let's just take that out of the equation.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
The problem is, I know multiple people who have given
information to the authorities which they have said is being
used for, is being presented to a grand jury. So
in order for that to not be true, not only
would the chief of staff's husband have to be wrong,
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but multiple people who have had to take their own
time and spend their own money to be honest, decent,
forthright people. They would have to be lying to me
about the engagements that they have had.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And I have a very hard time.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
One person maybe, but when you put it all together,
it seems like a snowball of people saying reliable things
that there is a grand jury looking into this office.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now, look, a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Grand jury doesn't mean, let's be fair about this. A
grand jury doesn't mean there's going to be any convictions.
A grand jury doesn't mean there's even going to be
any indictments. Their job is to look into things and
then come back with recommendations. But I just can't fathom that,
if I know about this stuff as a total outsider,
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that the Lieutenant Governor himself also doesn't know what's going on,
or that this is alleged to be going on. So
that's it. Look, I wanted to be done with it.
I was done with it. You notice I haven't said
anything for basically a week on social media or on here.
But I cannot let some guy come on our airwaves
and say things that just to appear to be completely
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inconsistent with the facts as they know them, or completely
hypocritical and not aggressive.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He's going to do it here on WIBC.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Hammer's going to join us next. It is Kendall and
Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Just because college football starts tomorrow. Yes, sir, now, I
know you and I.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Both believe it's ridiculous that they call something weak zero,
but that's what it's known as.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Right, if you have zero dollars in your bank account,
do you have any money?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
But we have week zero with meaningful college football games.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And your name is Jason Hammer, by the way, one
half of the Hammer in Nigel Afternoon Show. Now there's
actually a very important game noule, which is you and
I got into this in the Degenerates Nextdoor Sports Betting podcast,
new episode now out. You and I got into this
yesterday that I would hate for my team to have
a meaningful game Week one, like I need a week
or two a couple of weeks, you get some wins
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under our milt feel good about the team. One of
these in this Kansas State Iowa State game in Dublin.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's a conference game.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, and these are the two of the tippy top
or believe to be tippy top teams in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You could be really behind the eight ball.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
AND's only week one and I'm here for it though, Like,
if you're going to play a big game, do it
early because then you've got time.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
To recover if you lose.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But with it being a conference game, that's different because
we've got Ohio State and Texas next week and their openers.
Whoever loses that game still has a pretty good chance
to make the College Football Playoff, assuming you just don't
crap the bed.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
The rest of the year.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
So I like when they schedule hard games early on.
But this is a conference game, two ranked teams right
out of the gate, and we've all got action on it.
Free picks and plays on the Degenerates next Door podcast.
Please follow the Twitter account. We're trying to grow that
thing up a little bit at gambling stuff. We're gonna
start doing some contesting on that things. And yeah, the
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new podcast is out.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Rob and I.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
We do the homework, We do our diligence, we make
our plays. Last year we each had winning records, And
we also work with two professional handicappers and we basically
put a gun to the heads and make them.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Give us free plays.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, our pros are like straight out of Central Casting.
Like the one guy we call the Big Harry American
yes because he.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Is Kenny Bread KB Sports. And the other guy, my guy, David.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He is the prototypical degenerate gambling. Right.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
You can't have the degenerates next door without a guy
like David a fall in ever face.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
He's been pretty I think he's even talked about it
on the show that his keys, Like what's your earliest
memory with your parents? Like is there something that you
remember like going to a park or you know, a
playground or doing the ABC's and like, do you know
what your earliest childhood memory is?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I threw up on my mom?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, okay, there you go David's earliest memory. How about you, Hammery,
remember your earliest childhood memory lay involved with the old man?
Exactly right, Thanks for taking the bit, Casey, very good,
but yes, for most people. It's usually some meaningful thing.
David's earliest childhood childhood memory is what filling out gambling
sheets with this old man, right.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Yes, because his old man was a real gambling degenerate
long before this fancy schmancy legal sports batting stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
So these are the people that we work with again,
truth and advertising. We are the degenerates next door. And
starting here in a couple of weeks, once the NFL
season starts, we're doing two podcasts a week. Tuesday will
be the College Show and Thursday will be the NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And if you'd like to sponsor our program, how can
people get a hold of us, because we, as we
talked about on the show yesterday, we do a good
job shilling for stuff, like we get people in the
door and that's why all the WIBC advertisers keep coming back.
We'll shill for stuff on the Gambling Show too.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
We've sold out Hammer and Nigel Show has sold out
everything that we've done, whether it's an event, whether it's
a bottle of bourbon, whether it's a bottle of tequila,
of charity events, we've sold out everything we're done. So
if you want to sponsor the project that Rob and
I do the sports betting thing. It doesn't even have
to be gambling related. If you're a company, it doesn't matter.
We'll find some way to incorporate you. Just email me
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Hammer and Nigel at WIBC dot com.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Very easy, Hammer and Nigel at WIBC dot com. Speaking
of Hammer and Nigel, we spent a lot of this hour.
I was focused on this. I thought your interview with
the Lieutenant governor was fascinating yesterday, and we played a
couple of clips of that, and I would just be
curious to get your thoughts on the whole thing. I
did love your editorial comment on the hunh.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, this idiot's still doubling down on it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
This is why Hammer's upset because I found this and
it's factually wrong information. Imagine having the wrong piece of
information and you keep sharing it over and over again
thinking it's some sort of own Like if I said
two plus two equal seven and somebody calls me out
on it, I'm not going to keep sharing my wrong
mathematical equation.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
See this is what he's upset about. See your moron.
And I feel bad for the guy's wife because it's
the guy's wife.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I don't know who she is, but I bet she's
dealing with a lot right now. She seems like a
nice person. She's probably buried, you know, up to her
neck at work, and then her idiot husband is making
things more difficult for her. So instead of coming home
and relaxing on social media, she's got to find out
what Captain Moron's doing. Yeah, and we thought he was done, right,
I mean he said he was done, but he can't
(30:52):
help himself. Yeah, and he's one of those guys because
his wife is successful. He's having a hard time with this.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So he's, like, I think, convinced himself because look, and
we don't mind talking about it. Right, years before Urban
One owned WIBC, and years before a major company named Odyssey,
which owns radio stations across the country, was owned by
George Soros. He or a company that he's a part of,
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owns part of Odyssey, now the big bad George Soros. Right,
years before any of this happened, Odyssey and Urban One
had some sort of content sharing partnership. Not that Odyssey
is running Urban One, not that they're making any choices
for Urban One, not that they're dictating a Urban One
does anything but simply because again before anything.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Soros owned Odyssey or Urban One owned up. When we
were owned by Jeff Smullyan, they.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Had some sort of content sharing agreement he alluded to
the chief of staff's husband seems to wanted people to
think like somehow that was proof we were being controlled
by George Soros. Is that I don't even know what
he was trying to say, but that it is that
like why we were being critical of Michael, Like I
don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
What he was getting at, but that's his Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
We kept trying to explain to Perry Mason over there,
all of this happened before the sale of this company
took place, and even now we have no relationship with
George Soros. The things that I have said about Ryan
Meres and the things that I have said about Joe
Hawk said, if I were given barking orders by George
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Soros when I still be here today, And I've simply
pourted this out. But again, Matt Locke over there seems
like he's got it all figured out, and he keeps
making his wife's job more difficult. What a crappy thing
to do as a husband. Yeah, all right, Hey, let
me just say this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Real quick since we're rolling. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I love church, I love religion. A man that believes
in God. I talk to God every single day, and
I've talked about this. People might be surprised by this.
I have a little chat with God every day when
I drive into work. We have it out to have
a conversation. I'm thankful for my blessings. I'm thankful for
my family, all that kind of stuff. There is a
big place in this world for religion and beliefs. But man,
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these church people don't know what they're doing running.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
The lieutenant governor's office. I'm not talking about.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Micah, I'm talking about the people he surrounded himself with.
It sounds like and Rob, you would probably know this
better than anybody because you've been covering the story from
the beginning. Most of the people in that office don't
know anything at all about politics. They're like his church people,
which okay, that's great. I'm sure they're fantastic people. I
would like to have a pitchin picnic with these people.
I would watch a Colt's game with these people. They're
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going to get Micah in trouble. They don't know what
they're doing and now they're getting cocky.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We recommended some people that Micah should bring into his
orbit who know how the state government works. Some of
those people were not selected, and that's fine. The people
who were selected from outside that orbit were generally not
listen to right, and I agree this is not And
(34:05):
the one of the things that I don't think some
people realize is government is not the wild West.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right, there are rules. I have anti religion here.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I'm not because I don't want anybody think you are
a YouTube chat because I you know, I'm a church guy.
I love God, I'm into Jesus I am. I'm that dude.
But if I'm laying on a table needing heart surgery,
I don't want somebody from my church to come in
and operate on.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Me because they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You want to highly qualify.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
You want somebody that's qualified to what they.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Do, especially, and this is one of the things that
I tried to relay. And as usual in most of
my life, just like in my home, my advice is
ignored in the order in which it's received. That when
you're going to be the guy who is elected by
sticking your fingers in the eyes of the power structure.
Every eye is going to be on you. Oh sure,
you're not going to get any breaks. You're not going
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to get things ignored that other people may do.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Which means you need to be above reproach.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
A absolutely And look again, who knows what's all the
way to come down or come of all of this?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I don't know, but you're right, Hammer.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
You have to have a certain amount of people in
an office, especially when you have run as the guy
that's made everybody mad, right where you have people who
know how how to make the trains run on time?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
How is this.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Okay in any other job? Like, not that he's done
much better, but could you imagine if Chris Ballard said,
all right, we've got the number five pick in this
year's draft, the LSU quarterbacks available, But I really think
the guy from my church can help me out a
little bit more, Like what.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Other job is that acceptable? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I thought it was a great interview. You guys touched
on a lot more than what we played on the
on the show.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
They're definitely doing this redistricting thing right, it's going down,
it feels like it now. We're working on getting the
governor back in here sometime soon and we will ask
him flat out about the redistricting thing when it comes.
By the way, for whatever reason, I have a hard
time saying the word redistrictor districting you.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
As some weird anomaly I think every person does. Like
you can't take pills, Like you can't do pills, right,
I gotta chew everything up? Yeah, chew everything. Have to
smash your pills? Is that what you do with them?
Either mix it with an apple sauce or just chew
it up like it's a that's an amazing thing to me.
Is that like just like some sort of physical anomaly
or it's just a mental thing, Like it's a mental Yeah, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Everybody tells me you eat bigger pieces of meat than
this pill. Yeah, I know it. I'm a moron.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I don't know what more you want me to say,
just the act of actually swallowing the pill. Do you
have any weird anomaly, Casey, like of something that that
you just can't do or that people would go, oh
my gosh, I can't believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, I excel at everything.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Rob, Well, wait an open thanks for playing along. That's great.
It's been a dynamite segment by.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Casey here today she stepped all over your bit and
then she asked nothing to contribute to that question. Dynamite
drop in there, MANI that broadcast school is really paying off.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's Friday. Hey uh.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And you and I had a fun thing with redistricting
the other day, which you and I I think just
to disagree. Like you all this is all about you
hating Rod Bray, like you feel like this is gonna
be some one up on Rod Bray if they do redistricting.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Not neced.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
No, it's not even really about redistricting. It's about your
hatred of Charlie Kirk. So Charlie Kirk, the national influencer guy.
He's putting out statements now. His statements are about redistricting.
But the statements themselves say, listen, if the leadership of
Indiana doesn't want to do this, we're going to primary them.
We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that paraphrasing, of course.
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And my whole thing was look redistricting aside. Anybody that
wants to try to replace Rod Bray, you get a
standing ovation from me. And that's the one guy that's
holding everything back in the state.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
He crapped all over your signature issue, which was property taxes.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
But because Charlie Kirk's saying it, you don't like it.
Had Adam Morand said it.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
James Briggs of The Indie Story se, you had to
take it off your pants and job.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm not allowed to have any friends proves.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
What's coming up this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
We're gonna do some bargaments this afternoon. Dan Levy's gonna
join us sample Friday. Francis Martel of Breitbart, let's have
a show.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Oh my goodness, we got a big guest next, Casey
Rpal Doug Carter firm, State Blue Superintendent. He's gonna come
spit some fire in the Klein Helter investigation.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It's ninety three WYBC mess up.
These politicians just won't let me leave them alone.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
You don't leave them alone either, I really try, though.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Yeah, I would think about with Diego, how many times
have we been like we're done with this and then
he goes out and like insults us or does something
stupid or whatever. Like these people will just not let
me leave them alone, no matter how much. Ever, in
every fiber of my being, I want to be nothing
but done with them.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
So the Lieutenant Governor Micah Beck with he went on
with Hammer and Nigel yesterday, and if you notice, for
the past week, basically both on social media and here
on these airwaves, I haven't mentioned the guy, and I'd
done that. I talked to quite a few people over
the past week or so before that, and I'm just.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Sick of him. I'm just sick of the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
And look, I want to preface what we're about to
talk about by setting some things up for people, okay,
because I think sometimes people they get into the show
and the entertainment aspect of it and may sometimes lose track,
especially with me, that I am a real person. There
is a real person behind what you hear every day
(01:17):
I have I've gotten no joy whatsoever. Out of what
has gone down with me and Micah, it has crushed me.
Micah was an integral part of my life for basically
four years. I considered Mike at one point, at least
(01:40):
in my mind, he was one of the people I
was closest to.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
He was one of my best friends probably, and.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
Because of that, I allowed things to go on, both
things that we saw on this radio program, things we
saw publicly and things I saw personally that I never
would have tolerated with any other politician for months, because
in my mind I kept justifying it. In my mind,
(02:10):
I kept saying, yeah, but and despite and really most
of it comes down to him not telling the truth,
him not leveling with people, him not being straight with people,
him outright lying about things. And finally I had a
conversation and this is actually a conversation with somebody who
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Micah knows very well and has been around for many,
many many times, and bi all accounts he thinks very
highly this person. Because I was struggling with this, like
how do I handle this? And finally this person told
me something that really registered with me. And this is
basically about the time we had to just cut him off.
They said, if it were any other person, if for
(02:52):
any other politician, would you be treating them the way
you're treating Micah? And I thought about it for I
said answers no, and they said, then you can't do
it anymore. Your job, the thing you do, the reason
people trust you is because you hold all of these
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people accountable. And if you're not going to hold him
to the same standard you hold everybody else, then you
might as well just pack it up, dude, hypocrisy, right,
And I said, you're absolutely right. And so for the
past two months, three months, whatever it's been now, I
have been doing the thing that I actually told Mike
I was going to do when he got elected wohild
(03:36):
is treat him like every single other politician, hold the
same level of account that I hold every single other politician.
He claimed he wanted it. I mean, it's obvious now
he really didn't. But that's what I do every single day.
And it breaks my heart to have to do it
because I wanted mikea so badly, Casey, you know, we
(03:59):
hate all these people, and I so badly wanted him
to be the one guy that was different. I so
badly wanted to believe what he was saying when he
was running and the time that I had spent around him,
that he was going to be different, that he was
going to stand up for the people, that he was
going to fight the battles that needed to be fought.
(04:22):
And it just simply hasn't happened. He just simply isn't
that person. He's just another politician. He's just another guy.
And so before we talk about all this stuff, because
it's all Rob's doing this for ratings. Rob's at the BABA.
We don't need Micah for our ratings. We were number
one way before Micah will be number one after Micah.
(04:45):
You tune in for a whole swath of reasons that
have nothing to do with Micah beck With. We could
make two kids play in a park entertaining. We don't
need Micah beck With or a feud or a made
up feud. This has broken my heart to have to
go through this, but my obligation is always to you.
And if there are people out there who people I
(05:06):
have been friends with THEE for years now, we're mad
at me, It's fine. Gotta look myself in the mirror.
Gott to look myself in the mirror. So I want
to touch on that. Okay, before we get to hammer
in Nigel, I want to talk about these town halls
for a second, if that's all right, because this he
was on yesterday.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
They did a fabulous job with this interview. If you
haven't listened to it, go back and listen the whole thing.
We're all play some clips coming up here in a second,
because there's some stuff we have to address. But the
town halls are I think an important insight into the
whole micah m O, because for those of you who don't know,
(05:43):
I think most people do by now.
Speaker 3 (05:44):
He had a town hall. He goes around the state.
Speaker 1 (05:47):
It's set up in a Charlie Kirk type fashion where
there's a what, there's a loud speaker right, and somebody
has a microphone. And I mean, look, Charlie Kirk's his hero,
and he wants to be Charlie Kirk, and that's.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Why he set this up the way it is.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
And he had a town hall in Warwick County and
there were some people there who are totally nuts and
got totally out of control. And those people were ultimately
arrested and it sounds like they should have been.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
And that's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
When you go to an event with the government official,
we always tell you, we always tell you be loud, right,
be intense, but you got follow the laws. You can't
be you know, you can't be violent with people. You
can't be causing a disturbance. You have to operate in
inside the confines of decent society. The problem with these
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town halls is that that's what Micah wants.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
Well, we always say we want them to be transparent,
and here is a statewide elected official who is going
out and engaging with constituents.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But he's not. He's doing this for himself. Those people
because they can't control themselves. They gave him exactly what
he wanted. He is all over the news, which is
what he craves, which is attention, because of the way
they behaved. They gave him exactly what they wanted. And
here's how I know. He's been doing these town halls
(07:13):
for what six months now? Right, Basically he pretty much
started them as soon as he got elected. But will
we'll err on the side of caution and say six
months in the six months because he says, I'm here
to listen to you, right, I'm here to get feedback Okay.
First of all, he has no power, he has no
ability to make a law right, So it's like ridiculous
(07:33):
that he's supposedly out on this listening tour. I've seen
the townhos that watch them live stream. Most of the
townholls are not him listening. It's him fighting with people,
which is what he wants. He's trying to get viral moments.
He's trying to get himself on the news. And if
you don't believe me.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
That that's what these town halls are actually about, which
is there about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Him and not you? Can anybody tell me one piece
of legislation? He's been doing these for six months all
over the state. Can anybody tell me one piece of
legislation that Micah Beckwith has proposed out of the out
of these town halls where he has had a press conference,
he has said, I heard this, I've gone to LSA,
(08:12):
I've written this down. I'm presenting this to Rod Bray,
to Todd Houston. Can you tell me one thing he
has done out of these town hallspos a listening tour
that benefits anybody but himself?
Speaker 3 (08:26):
Do you know?
Speaker 4 (08:27):
No, he doesn't create legislation, But you're saying he needs
to go to the people that do and say, this
is what I've learned, this is.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What is priority for Hoosiers. We need to take care
of this.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Sure, he claims like he's always oh yeah, I'm against
the utility rates going up. But then you'll say something
Asinin'm like, well, if you're not growing, you're dying. What
is the state doing? How is the state growing? The
state is quote unquote growing on all of these things
that are going to raise utility utility bills? Does he
have any proposed legislation? He's heard this from every place
(09:01):
he's gone. He's heard the same thing from people. If
the town halls were really about anything but himself, he
would be proposing or day is what two and a
half months away, right where all the doing starts going.
If he had some big thing of all these things
that he had heard, he would be out by now.
It's like as laughable as Braun saying like I'm coming
(09:21):
back next year for something on property taxes. You aren't
coming back for anything, because if you were, you'd have
it out by now. You had a year and a
half on your property tax thing. Where that gets you
got you nowhere? We're gonna believe in two months, you're
gonna sell somebody on some transformational local government reform or whatever.
He's trying to convince those well meaning people that he
meets with that he's gonna do, of course not.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
There's nothing you can look.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
At out of these town halls that Micah has done
that is in any way going to benefit you.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
None. Zero.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
There would be tons of policies being proposed. He barely
even ever posts on social media about anything he's for
or again, as it relates to things that have come
out of these town halls. So people need to get
it through their heads when you go to these town halls,
When you go to these town halls, you are going
to benefit him. He doesn't care about you, he doesn't
(10:13):
have the ability to help you, and he wants the
viral moment that he got the other night. Now he's
putting people in danger by doing this. Somebody's going to
get seriously hurt at one of these Eventually. Maybe he's
okay with that. I don't know. But if you go
to one of these going forward, recognize there is not
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one thing he has done out of them in six
months that has been proposed publicly. He can't even point
to a meeting he's had with Bray or Houston or Braun.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
About them, because he hasn't.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It's about helping himself and if you go to them,
he's not processing what you're telling him.
Speaker 3 (10:51):
He's helping himself. All right, let's take a break.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And by the way, we're only doing this because he
went on with Hammer Nigel yesterday and he said some
totally ridiculous stuff that is totally unacceptable for us.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
To let it go. We'll talk about it. We'll play
the audio when we come back.
Speaker 2 (11:06):
It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Okay, So we got to play some of this audio
from the Lieutenant Governor with Hammer and Nigel yesterday because
they did a phenomenal job interviewing him and they got
a lot of stuff on the record that is just
it's it's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Its Kennel Case Show.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I'm Rob Casey's here, all right, So I'm going to
say this because like in Casey, you know this, You've
been around me for a long time. When I get information,
do I just run out and tell everybody about it?
Speaker 3 (11:43):
When we get I get stories.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Do I just immediately throw them up on social media?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Do I run on these air.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
Waves, or do I spend a lot of time verifying sources.
Like let's take the Bohachik Mike Bohatchik, the state Senator
who is alleged to have blown the point two eighty
three and the DUI charges and all that stuff. Right,
(12:12):
you knew about that for quite a while. How long
did I sit on that and get things confirmed before
I ran.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Out with it?
Speaker 2 (12:18):
It was a while, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Same thing with the bo Baird story. The state rep.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
From Putnam County who Bo Baird had the OWI in
whatever that was twenty seventeen or eighteen, and nobody knew
about it, and he didn't disclose it because conveniently, some
wrong things were entered into the public record. Right, How
long did I sit on that before I verified sources
(12:43):
to get it right?
Speaker 5 (12:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (12:44):
That was a while, And that happens with a lot
of this stuff. It takes a while, yeah, for all
of the information to be released.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
And that's why, over the nine years that I've been here,
when I come out with stuff, when I break news,
when I say things, that's what the like, How can
you think of a time on a big story where
I've run out with something now where I've been like,
didn't go through this process right to verify, to painstakingly
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independently of multiple sources, right get information before I brought
it out. So I can say safely that there is
a grand jury that is looking into Micah's office, there
is an investigation going on related to that, I can
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safely say it is more than just artificial intelligence pornography.
The investigation is is bigger than that. And one of
the things that is very frustrating is that I struggle
to see how if I know that's going on, as
a total outsider to the State House, as a total
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outsider to Indiana politics and government, I really struggled to
see how Micah himself, with three and a half million
dollars worth of staff at his disposal, couldn't also know
that was going on.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
And yet yesterday on.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Hammer and Nige, when we will play you some of
these clips here, he appears to vehemently deny any of
this is taking plasure having knowledge that it's taking place.
And the thing that really gets me is the first
person to talk about a grand jury wasn't me, wasn't Abdul,
wasn't tom Lo Bianco. It was the husband of Micah's
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chief of staff. That was the first guy to stooge
out that apparently there was a grand jury because he
used the phrase grand jury on his social media account. Now,
this guy then proceeded to go at Hammer and we've
covered their feedback in forth and Hammer addressed this yesterday
(15:02):
with Micah, let's take a little listen to this.
Speaker 6 (15:06):
A lot of questions, a lot of rumors about what's
going on in your office. There was this story of
an AI video that was being shared in your office.
And then the husband of your chief of staff, this moron,
goes on social media rips WIBC and saying that we're
all bought by Soros. And you know, I get if
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there's a beef with other members of our station here,
but when this idiot starts bringing me into this thing,
that's where I got a problem.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Micah.
Speaker 6 (15:36):
He's the one that said there was a grand jury
involved may have been an accident, but he put it out.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
On social media.
Speaker 6 (15:43):
So the million dollar question is is there a grand
jury looking into activities from your office.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
No, we haven't heard that. And listen, okay, Stu is
he's a friend, but he's not part of our office. Okay,
Sherry's doing a great job.
Speaker 6 (15:56):
He's a moron, Nikah, and we know each other well
enough I can say he's embarrassing his wife.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Okay, So we're led to believe then that the husband
of Micah's chief of staff, Oh yeah, he doesn't technically
work for the office, but he just made up the
phrase grand jury, that he just pulled that out of
his backside, and he would do that to his wife
and to Micah who's a close friend of his, and
everybody else without it being true. That's what we're led
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to believe has happened here in the dismissive way in
which he just pushed that, pushed that aside.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
All right.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So they went on then to ask him a little
bit more about the AI porn side of things. And
I want to play that audio clip and respond to it.
Speaker 6 (16:41):
Take a listen, Micah, you said your office did like
an internal investigation of this whole saga here, and I've
said on the air, look, I don't know if the
video exists.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (16:52):
I have no idea, but if I heard Joe hogg
set say we've done an investigation and everything's fine, I'd
have a hard time with that. Are you open to
having somebody else, like do an investigation.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
If they can actually give me a shread of evidence
that this thing actually exists. I'm not just going to
let these abduls drag our office into these types of
battles all day long, because all they have to do
then next week is create some other lie and an allegation,
and then we're back into another investigation. I'm not going
to play that game with them. If someone can prove
to me that there is a video and that it
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was watched or seen in my office, or there was
some aspect of proof, we will absolutely have someone else
come in and do the investigation. But at this point,
we've done our internal investigation.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
We did it thoroughly.
Speaker 7 (17:39):
We interviewed every person that was allegedly had some connection
to being accused of being a part of this or
knew of this, and every single time we could not
find a shred of evidence that this thing actually occurred.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, here's the problem with that. He's now admitted there's
no law enforcement that came in. There's no person who
has any background on this whatsoever. There's no person with
any skills set whatsoever. It would not even forensics or
US not.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
The state police.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I'm Mary County Prosecutor's office. At least now we know
in great job by Hammer and Nigel, it's just him
asking his buddies, did you do it? He has no
computer background to do this. He didn't bring in a
third party and the problem and okay, fine, if that's
what you want to do, but that's your investigation. That
is the investigation at this point, and if Mike is
fine with that, it's his office. The problem with that, though,
is he's allowing his guys to twist in the wind
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because of this. If these are not only his workers,
they're some of his closest friends and supporters, and he's
supposedly had this magic key to set all of this free.
And by the way, if lobion Go's wrong, the guy
who wrote the story, I've said this numerous times, they
should sue that guy for everything he has. If he
just made this story up, they should sue him for
everything has. And one of them is an attorney, so
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it wouldn't cost anything to file.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
The problem with this, though, is that I have talked
to someone who alleges that they saw the video and
they have described to me in great detail, not only
seeing the video, but these circumstances around which the video
is viewed, and that person is cooperating with the authorities.
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So if that person's.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Lying, this would be the most crazy thing to lie about,
because they have put themselves to be for the potentially
to be in such.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
A world of hurt, such a world of trouble, like
they go to prison, they can face all of this stuff.
Why would that person lie about that. It's easy to say, oh,
I have duels a gossip girl and he's of this
and he's that. What about me, Micah? How many times
have I been right about stuff over the years? How
many times I've been.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Right about stuff? Hell, we got the JD Vance thing
and Casey, how long did I go through that? I
had that way ahead of time and sat on it
and we were first on that.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
So now do that with me, Micah, say that about me?
Say Rob Kendall's a gossip girl.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
See I just.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Make it up. You can't do that. That's the problem.
I've talked to somebody who says they viewed the video.
Now again, if they're lying, they're going to be in
a whole world of trouble.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
All right. I want to take one more break because
there's one other clip I want to play because they
asked him directly about the grand jury, and I want
to play that because I think that that may be
the most important thing of all.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, we got a place more audio from this, this
interview the Lieutenant Governor did with the Hammer Nigel yesterday.
But look, before we get to that, I want to
say this again because this has torn a lot of
people apart. What's being alleged to have happened in the
Lieutenant Governor's.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Office, and this is a look.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Many people that I've known for years are very angry
with me right now for covering the story. And my
message to the people at large is my obligation to
you has always been been here nine years and when
I started here, I was as low on the total pole.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
As we could you could get.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
And have you know, we've all risen together, right, And
there were people who when I started here couldn't stand me,
and people like Jerry Lopez, he talks about this.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
All the time.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
Because I am resolute in my search of the truth
and holding politicians accountable, and my obligation to you is
to hold everybody to the same level once they have,
you know, put their hand on a bible.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
And taken the oath of office.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
And I think I got a really good track record
of giving you information that I know when I know it.
And if you want to be upset at me for
that because I'm treating this guy that way have treated
everybody else, then that's okay. If you want to be
mad at me because of that, Like fine, I'm sorry,
I don't know what to tell you, but I'd be
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doing a disservice to the tens of thousands of people
who listen every day if I didn't give you this
information once it once it comes from sources that I trust,
or things that I know.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
To be true.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
If I just didn't tell you because I was worried, Well,
he's popular in this corner. This guy's popular in that corner.
That's my job, that's what that's what we do here
every day. And so I love you too much, I
care about you the audience too much to not tell
you these things. And you can be mad at me
if you want, and you know that that's just like
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all right. So I did want to play one other
clip and Jason Hammer will be with us next to
go in depth a little bit more on this, because they
did a great job with this interview. So they asked
Hammer and Nigel ask the Lieutenant Governor, Micah beck With
yesterday if indeed there is a grand jury investigation into
his office.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
This is what he had to say. Is there no
grand jury investigation?
Speaker 5 (22:46):
Yeah, I'm hearing grand jury. Hearing stuff from from our coworker,
abduel A Kim Shabaz about ghosts, employment and time sheets
sheets in campaign. You know, you know, campaign stuff that's
not going on.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
No, I've listen.
Speaker 7 (23:07):
I don't know anything about a grand jury. We haven't
heard anything. I don't know anyone in my office who's
been contacted by the by the prosecutor's office.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Okay, so the problem for me with that one is
that the chief of staff's husband here to admit there
is a grand jury investigation unprompted.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
That's a major issue.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
I don't I don't think any reasonable person would think, well,
he just made that up. Why would he do that,
How would that in any way benefit his wife or Micah,
who is very close Why would he use that phrase?
Speaker 3 (23:41):
But let's just take that out of the equation.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
The problem is, I know multiple people who have given
information to the authorities which they have said is being
used for, is being presented to a grand jury. So
in order for that to not be true, not only
would the chief of staff's husband have to be wrong,
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but multiple people who have had to take their own
time and spend their own money to be honest, decent,
forthright people. They would have to be lying to me
about the engagements that they have had.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
And I have a very hard time.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
One person maybe, but when you put it all together,
it seems like a snowball of people saying reliable things
that there is a grand jury looking into this office.
Speaker 3 (24:44):
Now, look, a.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
Grand jury doesn't mean, let's be fair about this. A
grand jury doesn't mean there's going to be any convictions.
A grand jury doesn't mean there's even going to be
any indictments. Their job is to look into things and
then come back with recommendations. But I just can't fathom that,
if I know about this stuff as a total outsider,
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that the Lieutenant Governor himself also doesn't know what's going on,
or that this is alleged to be going on. So
that's it. Look, I wanted to be done with it.
I was done with it. You notice I haven't said
anything for basically a week on social media or on here.
But I cannot let some guy come on our airwaves
and say things that just to appear to be completely
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inconsistent with the facts as they know them, or completely
hypocritical and not aggressive.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
He's going to do it here on WIBC.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Hammer's going to join us next. It is Kendall and
Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Just because college football starts tomorrow. Yes, sir, now, I
know you and I.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Both believe it's ridiculous that they call something weak zero,
but that's what it's known as.
Speaker 6 (25:55):
Right, if you have zero dollars in your bank account,
do you have any money?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
No?
Speaker 6 (26:01):
But we have week zero with meaningful college football games.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
And your name is Jason Hammer, by the way, one
half of the Hammer in Nigel Afternoon Show. Now there's
actually a very important game noule, which is you and
I got into this in the Degenerates Nextdoor Sports Betting podcast,
new episode now out. You and I got into this
yesterday that I would hate for my team to have
a meaningful game Week one, like I need a week
or two a couple of weeks, you get some wins
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under our milt feel good about the team. One of
these in this Kansas State Iowa State game in Dublin.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
It's a conference game.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, and these are the two of the tippy top
or believe to be tippy top teams in the Big twelve.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
You could be really behind the eight ball.
Speaker 6 (26:38):
AND's only week one and I'm here for it though, Like,
if you're going to play a big game, do it
early because then you've got time.
Speaker 3 (26:44):
To recover if you lose.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
But with it being a conference game, that's different because
we've got Ohio State and Texas next week and their openers.
Whoever loses that game still has a pretty good chance
to make the College Football Playoff, assuming you just don't
crap the bed.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
The rest of the year.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
So I like when they schedule hard games early on.
But this is a conference game, two ranked teams right
out of the gate, and we've all got action on it.
Free picks and plays on the Degenerates next Door podcast.
Please follow the Twitter account. We're trying to grow that
thing up a little bit at gambling stuff. We're gonna
start doing some contesting on that things. And yeah, the
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new podcast is out.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Rob and I.
Speaker 6 (27:25):
We do the homework, We do our diligence, we make
our plays. Last year we each had winning records, And
we also work with two professional handicappers and we basically
put a gun to the heads and make them.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Give us free plays.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
Yeah, our pros are like straight out of Central Casting.
Like the one guy we call the Big Harry American
yes because he.
Speaker 6 (27:45):
Is Kenny Bread KB Sports. And the other guy, my guy, David.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
He is the prototypical degenerate gambling. Right.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
You can't have the degenerates next door without a guy
like David a fall in ever face.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
He's been pretty I think he's even talked about it
on the show that his keys, Like what's your earliest
memory with your parents? Like is there something that you
remember like going to a park or you know, a
playground or doing the ABC's and like, do you know
what your earliest childhood memory is?
Speaker 4 (28:12):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (28:13):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
I threw up on my mom?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Well, okay, there you go David's earliest memory. How about you, Hammery,
remember your earliest childhood memory lay involved with the old man?
Exactly right, Thanks for taking the bit, Casey, very good,
but yes, for most people. It's usually some meaningful thing.
David's earliest childhood childhood memory is what filling out gambling
sheets with this old man, right.
Speaker 6 (28:33):
Yes, because his old man was a real gambling degenerate
long before this fancy schmancy legal sports batting stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:42):
So these are the people that we work with again,
truth and advertising. We are the degenerates next door. And
starting here in a couple of weeks, once the NFL
season starts, we're doing two podcasts a week. Tuesday will
be the College Show and Thursday will be the NFL.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
And if you'd like to sponsor our program, how can
people get a hold of us, because we, as we
talked about on the show yesterday, we do a good
job shilling for stuff, like we get people in the
door and that's why all the WIBC advertisers keep coming back.
We'll shill for stuff on the Gambling Show too.
Speaker 6 (29:15):
We've sold out Hammer and Nigel Show has sold out
everything that we've done, whether it's an event, whether it's
a bottle of bourbon, whether it's a bottle of tequila,
of charity events, we've sold out everything we're done. So
if you want to sponsor the project that Rob and
I do the sports betting thing. It doesn't even have
to be gambling related. If you're a company, it doesn't matter.
We'll find some way to incorporate you. Just email me
(29:38):
Hammer and Nigel at WIBC dot com.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Very easy, Hammer and Nigel at WIBC dot com. Speaking
of Hammer and Nigel, we spent a lot of this hour.
I was focused on this. I thought your interview with
the Lieutenant governor was fascinating yesterday, and we played a
couple of clips of that, and I would just be
curious to get your thoughts on the whole thing. I
did love your editorial comment on the hunh.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Well, this idiot's still doubling down on it.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
This is why Hammer's upset because I found this and
it's factually wrong information. Imagine having the wrong piece of
information and you keep sharing it over and over again
thinking it's some sort of own Like if I said
two plus two equal seven and somebody calls me out
on it, I'm not going to keep sharing my wrong
mathematical equation.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
See this is what he's upset about. See your moron.
And I feel bad for the guy's wife because it's
the guy's wife.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
I don't know who she is, but I bet she's
dealing with a lot right now. She seems like a
nice person. She's probably buried, you know, up to her
neck at work, and then her idiot husband is making
things more difficult for her. So instead of coming home
and relaxing on social media, she's got to find out
what Captain Moron's doing. Yeah, and we thought he was done, right,
I mean he said he was done, but he can't
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help himself. Yeah, and he's one of those guys because
his wife is successful. He's having a hard time with this.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
So he's, like, I think, convinced himself because look, and
we don't mind talking about it. Right, years before Urban
One owned WIBC, and years before a major company named Odyssey,
which owns radio stations across the country, was owned by
George Soros. He or a company that he's a part of,
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owns part of Odyssey, now the big bad George Soros. Right,
years before any of this happened, Odyssey and Urban One
had some sort of content sharing partnership. Not that Odyssey
is running Urban One, not that they're making any choices
for Urban One, not that they're dictating a Urban One
does anything but simply because again before anything.
Speaker 3 (31:38):
Soros owned Odyssey or Urban One owned up. When we
were owned by Jeff Smullyan, they.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Had some sort of content sharing agreement he alluded to
the chief of staff's husband seems to wanted people to
think like somehow that was proof we were being controlled
by George Soros. Is that I don't even know what
he was trying to say, but that it is that
like why we were being critical of Michael, Like I
don't even understand.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
What he was getting at, but that's his Yeah, And.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
We kept trying to explain to Perry Mason over there,
all of this happened before the sale of this company
took place, and even now we have no relationship with
George Soros. The things that I have said about Ryan
Meres and the things that I have said about Joe
Hawk said, if I were given barking orders by George
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Soros when I still be here today, And I've simply
pourted this out. But again, Matt Locke over there seems
like he's got it all figured out, and he keeps
making his wife's job more difficult. What a crappy thing
to do as a husband. Yeah, all right, Hey, let
me just say this.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Real quick since we're rolling. Listen.
Speaker 6 (32:44):
I love church, I love religion. A man that believes
in God. I talk to God every single day, and
I've talked about this. People might be surprised by this.
I have a little chat with God every day when
I drive into work. We have it out to have
a conversation. I'm thankful for my blessings. I'm thankful for
my family, all that kind of stuff. There is a
big place in this world for religion and beliefs. But man,
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these church people don't know what they're doing running.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
The lieutenant governor's office. I'm not talking about.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
Micah, I'm talking about the people he surrounded himself with.
It sounds like and Rob, you would probably know this
better than anybody because you've been covering the story from
the beginning. Most of the people in that office don't
know anything at all about politics. They're like his church people,
which okay, that's great. I'm sure they're fantastic people. I
would like to have a pitchin picnic with these people.
I would watch a Colt's game with these people. They're
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going to get Micah in trouble. They don't know what
they're doing and now they're getting cocky.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
We recommended some people that Micah should bring into his
orbit who know how the state government works. Some of
those people were not selected, and that's fine. The people
who were selected from outside that orbit were generally not
listen to right, and I agree this is not And
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the one of the things that I don't think some
people realize is government is not the wild West.
Speaker 3 (34:09):
Right, there are rules. I have anti religion here.
Speaker 6 (34:11):
I'm not because I don't want anybody think you are
a YouTube chat because I you know, I'm a church guy.
I love God, I'm into Jesus I am. I'm that dude.
But if I'm laying on a table needing heart surgery,
I don't want somebody from my church to come in
and operate on.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Me because they don't know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (34:28):
You want to highly qualify.
Speaker 3 (34:29):
You want somebody that's qualified to what they.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
Do, especially, and this is one of the things that
I tried to relay. And as usual in most of
my life, just like in my home, my advice is
ignored in the order in which it's received. That when
you're going to be the guy who is elected by
sticking your fingers in the eyes of the power structure.
Every eye is going to be on you. Oh sure,
you're not going to get any breaks. You're not going
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to get things ignored that other people may do.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Which means you need to be above reproach.
Speaker 1 (34:57):
A absolutely And look again, who knows what's all the
way to come down or come of all of this?
Speaker 3 (35:03):
I don't know, but you're right, Hammer.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
You have to have a certain amount of people in
an office, especially when you have run as the guy
that's made everybody mad, right where you have people who
know how how to make the trains run on time?
Speaker 3 (35:16):
How is this.
Speaker 6 (35:17):
Okay in any other job? Like, not that he's done
much better, but could you imagine if Chris Ballard said,
all right, we've got the number five pick in this
year's draft, the LSU quarterbacks available, But I really think
the guy from my church can help me out a
little bit more, Like what.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Other job is that acceptable? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:35):
I thought it was a great interview. You guys touched
on a lot more than what we played on the
on the show.
Speaker 6 (35:40):
They're definitely doing this redistricting thing right, it's going down,
it feels like it now. We're working on getting the
governor back in here sometime soon and we will ask
him flat out about the redistricting thing when it comes.
By the way, for whatever reason, I have a hard
time saying the word redistrictor districting you.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
As some weird anomaly I think every person does. Like
you can't take pills, Like you can't do pills, right,
I gotta chew everything up? Yeah, chew everything. Have to
smash your pills? Is that what you do with them?
Either mix it with an apple sauce or just chew
it up like it's a that's an amazing thing to me.
Is that like just like some sort of physical anomaly
or it's just a mental thing, Like it's a mental Yeah, Like.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
Everybody tells me you eat bigger pieces of meat than
this pill. Yeah, I know it. I'm a moron.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
I don't know what more you want me to say,
just the act of actually swallowing the pill. Do you
have any weird anomaly, Casey, like of something that that
you just can't do or that people would go, oh
my gosh, I can't believe that.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
No, I excel at everything.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Rob, Well, wait an open thanks for playing along. That's great.
It's been a dynamite segment by.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Casey here today she stepped all over your bit and
then she asked nothing to contribute to that question. Dynamite
drop in there, MANI that broadcast school is really paying off.
Speaker 3 (36:48):
It's Friday. Hey uh.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
And you and I had a fun thing with redistricting
the other day, which you and I I think just
to disagree. Like you all this is all about you
hating Rod Bray, like you feel like this is gonna
be some one up on Rod Bray if they do redistricting.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Not neced.
Speaker 6 (37:03):
No, it's not even really about redistricting. It's about your
hatred of Charlie Kirk. So Charlie Kirk, the national influencer guy.
He's putting out statements now. His statements are about redistricting.
But the statements themselves say, listen, if the leadership of
Indiana doesn't want to do this, we're going to primary them.
We're gonna do this. We're gonna do that paraphrasing, of course.
(37:25):
And my whole thing was look redistricting aside. Anybody that
wants to try to replace Rod Bray, you get a
standing ovation from me. And that's the one guy that's
holding everything back in the state.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Rob.
Speaker 6 (37:36):
He crapped all over your signature issue, which was property taxes.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
But because Charlie Kirk's saying it, you don't like it.
Had Adam Morand said it.
Speaker 6 (37:46):
James Briggs of The Indie Story se, you had to
take it off your pants and job.
Speaker 3 (37:49):
I'm not allowed to have any friends proves.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
What's coming up this afternoon.
Speaker 6 (37:55):
We're gonna do some bargaments this afternoon. Dan Levy's gonna
join us sample Friday. Francis Martel of Breitbart, let's have
a show.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
Oh my goodness, we got a big guest next, Casey
Rpal Doug Carter firm, State Blue Superintendent. He's gonna come
spit some fire in the Klein Helter investigation.
Speaker 2 (38:11):
It's ninety three WYBC mess up.
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