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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, so we knew this was coming.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I think we've been kind of alluded to this yesterday
on our program. The Speedway, the Motor Speedway, the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You've heard of that before, right, yeahc driven by many times.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
By the way, it's Kenney Casey, Jean Rob Casey's here.
They are not happy about the Trump administration this detention
center that they're opening up in Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yep, the Miami Correctional Facility with.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The Miami Correctional Facility Bunker Hill, Indiana, because you don't know,
just get on thirty one, just head and you'll basically
run right into it. They are not happy about it
being dubbed the Speedway Slammer, and I don't blame them,
and I can't believe, first of all, how stupid these
people are, given the fact that the thing is like
an hour and a half away from Speedway, Indiana, and
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that they thought, Hey, some nonpartisan group that is the
world's largest racecourse and prides itself on welcoming all people
land wasn't going to give you a little pushback on that.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Well, part of the problem is that DHS shared an
AI generated image and it's of an indie car and
it has Ice branding on it, and it had the
number five. Well that's associated with Pato Award, right, and
so Penske Entertainment, which owns the speedway. They stated they
were not informed, and they requested that their intellectual property
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not be used, and the Department of Homeland Security said, nope,
we're not going to change the branding and all of
these concerns over the intellectual property is absurd, and it's
going to be branded as Speedway Slammer.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, So let's talk about that for a second.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Because one of the things, and I recognize that somebody's
going to get big mad at me for saying this,
but this doesn't come off as serious like the alligator
Alcatraz thing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's sort of DeSantis brand. I guess, I don't know.
But now, when we're just coming up with nicknames for
everything and you're going out of your way to give
it a nickname, it takes away from the seriousness of
the issue and the stuff that is actually being done there. Now, look,
canna get mad at me you're saying this and saying, oh,
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you're being a whim or blah blah blah. The immigration
conversation is about should be as much about doing the
It should be about as winning the public over to
your side as doing the job itself. And what I
mean by that is it takes buy in for public policy.
It takes public buy in for public policy to be sustainable.
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And so what I mean by that is in order
to continue to build these facilities, expand them, make sure
money can do to get allocated the representatives, the people
who are doing this have to believe that the public
at large is behind them. And I think the public
is behind them in the sense of they want the
job done. But the reality is probably thirty percent of
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the populace. If that thirty percent of the populace is
a hardcore maga, everything Trump does is great, everything Trump
does is funny sort of person.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
There's a huge group of.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
People, including people who voted for Trump, who just wanted
the country change. They don't want this stuff thrown in
their face. They don't want things to be made light
of like this, because, yes, while there are going to
be many dangerous people there has these facilities, there will
also there's a chance be fathers and people who are
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not violent offenders and people who broke the law who
need to go back. I'm not arguing that they need
to be sent back, but you're dehumanizing, and I'm saying
this is how people in the middle will view it.
I'm not saying that's how necessarily we view it. We're
tough that skinned people here, but people in the middle,
who you need to win elections, who you need to
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keep the policy going, will view this as unseious behavior
and unnecessarily dehumanizing. Many of these people even if they
believe they need to leave the country, And so by
making everything some joke or some nickname or whatever, you
run the risk of alienating the people you need to
keep the policy going.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Why does it have to have a brand like speedway Slammer.
We all know it's seventy miles away from the speedway,
so it's.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Not close to it.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Why can't it just be called the Miami Correctional Facility,
Like does it have to have this speedway slammer moniker?
And you know, when you think about the speedway, that's
a place you go to get your mind off of
everything else. It's a place that you go to to
relax and have some fun and auto racing and enjoy yourself.
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And now you've got dhs taking a place where all
love and turning it into a place that's very polarizing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, and especially like the alligator Alcatraz or whatever that was.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Hey, that was de Sands's thing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's on board. It's in the swamp. There's no branding
with it in terms of there's not a legitimate you know,
play like Alcatraz is a legitimate place, but I'm saying
there's no commercial entity that you've got to have, you know,
approval of. It's just a bad look and it starts
to make And this is one of the problems with
Trump as president is everybody's always trying to make everything
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so big and such a spectacle. They're trying to always
in everything done in a government under Trump, they're trying
to make it trump esque. And the reality is somebody
told me this years ago when I first got elected,
and I had all these big ideas, and he said, okay,
these are nice, but he said, the most important things
you're gonna do are really boring stuff, things like making
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sure fawcets turn on, making sure the toilet's flush, you know,
making sure that sidewalks are repaired.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It may sound boring, but when they're not there available
to you.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's a huge deal, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And people actually judge their communities in the case of
what he was talking about with me on how do
the nuts and bolts work? Like when you look at
community surveys, all these communities do citizen surveys, and you
you used to see that where all the important things
weren't the bright, shiny objects that it was the police,
the fire, the water, the sewer, the roads, the bridges,
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the sidewalks, like that's always what scored at.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The at the tippy top. That's so.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
But in the sense of this government is boring the
nuts and bolts of government, and some people need to
hear this more than others. It ain't how flashy you
can be. It ain't how many people you can get
in front of. It isn't what a spectacle you make
when you go somewhere. It's how do you manage the
nuts and bolts of the things that you are in
charge in. Because government is actually a job. Government is
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actually a responsibility, and this is something that should be done.
These people should be apprehended, they should be sent back
to their countries of origin. It will make America a better,
safer place. But you do it in a quiet, business
like professional manner. You can give the stats out, you
can talk about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
There's no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But when you're trying to make it some sort of
a spectacle that many people, especially people who voted for you,
will view as dehumanizing, you're doing yourself a disservice.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So the borders are Tom Holman.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
He said that he doesn't know who named the initiative,
but I hopes that the name doesn't overshadow the mission.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Exactly, and it will, and it will. People will know
it by the name instead of the thing. It's it's accomplishing,
all right. So we're gonna go and take a break
because we've got a little bit of an extended segment
with Nicki Kelly, because we've got so much to get to.
We've got this redissearching stuff. Vance's here, We've got these still.
This is a big story, these allegations of AI porn
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being viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office, A ton of
stuff going on with the state.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Nicki Kelly from the Capitol Chronicle will join us next.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It's Kennelyn Casey on ninety three w IBC.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
I can say there's so much going on, you're gonna
stay to Indiana.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's a lot, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Every year session ends and we're like, what we'll we
talk about for the next eight months, and then there's
more stuff to talk about that when the session is
going on. We've got many things to get to. Uh
here to help us sort through it. One of the
best in the business. She runs the Indiana Capitol Chronicle,
the Great Nikki Kelly. Nikki Kelly, Hello, good morning.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, I didn't sign up for this like it's in
an AWF election year and can't catch our breath.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Nikki, this is supposed to be the slow season.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, specially working on projects.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yes, so all right, dealer's choice. We got two big
things to get to. You can choose. We can do
AI porn first, or we can do I never thought
I'd be saying that to you, Nicki Kelly. We can
do AI porn first, or we can do we can
do the redistricting. Where do you want to go?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Sure, let's start with porn.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, I've known Nicki Kelly for a long time,
and I never ever dreamed of all the year she's
been coming on Casey, She'd say, sure, let's start with
porn all right, So you guys have done an expose
on this with obviously Craig Haggard coming out and speaking.
Of course, this relates to allegations that artificial intelligence pornography
was viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office shared in the
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Lieutenant Governor's office. And it's like we're at a standoff
now because two things can't be true. Beck what claims
the investigated and cleared his guys Labanco put the names
out there, So he's basically put himself on the on
the line that this that this happened.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Like where are we at with this? What do we
make of all this?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, you know, I still haven't talked to anyone who's
actually seen the video. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
I'm just saying I haven't found anyone yet. And so
I think the first thing that Mary Kenny Crosskier's office
is trying to do is actually determined if it exists,
and then they'll try to figure out, you know, who
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made it, who had it, you know, and whether any
criminal statutes were were broken. Because I haven't been able
to find it or see it. We were taking a
little bit of a wait and see approach until the
prosecutor's office gun involved, and then you know it's its
own story. Whether it exists or not doesn't even really
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matter if now it's become you know, an investigation.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, So this is where I'm stuck on in Casey
and I've talked about this out loud. You've known Lobianco
for a while ago for The Star. I'm sure you
guys crossed paths.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He lives in Maryland. Now he covers national politics. Like,
I'm so torn on. Nobody can explain this to me
because the other side is like, well, this is a
you know, gotcha journalism or sensationalism or whatever. Is there
any logical reason that this guy sitting in Maryland, who
has nothing to do with the state of Indiana now
would just wake up one day and go, you know,
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I'm going to I'm going to get the Lieutenant Governor
of Indiana. I'm going to find two obscure workers in
the office, and I'm gonna fabricate a story around artificial
intelligence pornography. Oh and I'm going to pick an obscure
state Rep. Craig Haggard to name his wife as the victim. Right, like,
like you have to believe all of those things right
to believe it's made up in some sense.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Look, I mean the fact is, I don't know who
his forces are. But you know, it also could be
that the forces made it up. Like you know what
I mean. You got to remember, I'm not saying they are,
but I'm saying there are multiple different things that could
be happening here. And so you know, he he was
in town back in April to do sort of a
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feature profile on the Lieutenant governor. He was kind of
working with the Indiana Citizen for that, and I know
he went to a town hole with Mike I sat
down with the Lieutenant governor. So he was working in
the realm already. So and he clearly still has sources
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from from back when he was in the state.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You ever seen a story like this?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You've covered what twenty five years now, you issu, you've
been covering the state House.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Have you ever seen a story like this?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah? I mean there are occasionally kind of crazy stories
that pop up with with crazy angles, whether it be
sex scandals or you know that kind of thing. And
so yeah, I mean these things occasionally pop up, but
you know, getting a proscinner involved because of the laws
on deep fakes and non consensual AI generated videos, so
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that that takes it to the next level.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I think Nikki Kelly is our guest from the Indiana
Capitol Chronicle, Okay, redistricting Nick J. D.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Vance.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think he's going to be here soon, if he's
not already here at this At this point, he is
in town seemingly to talk about that. What are you
hearing about these conversations between Vance, the governor, and the
leadership of the General Assembly.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, the leadership of the General Assembly has been refusing
to talk about it for a couple of weeks. Now,
I know that reporters have sent inquiries and they're just
you know, ignoring them altogether. So I think they're going
to sit and they're going to listen. But I haven't
heard of any member who's like, yes, let's do this,
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let's get this done. I mean, I think there's going
to be a lot of caution, especially from you know,
I have to point out that Center Rod Bray is
an attorney, so he's always a little more circumspect on
you know, what you're allowed to do and following the
you know, quote unquote rule of law. This hasn't happened,
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I don't think since we went to difinial censuses, and
so you know, you'd have to really get passed off
of the legal arguments of whether this is even possible
due to the language in the Indiana Constitution.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
So what have you heard about the sit in that
is happening at the State House and will that affect
anything going on with Jadie Vance.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I know that I've got a couple of reporters over
there right now. They said there's a few people kind
of gathering. I think the Whitehouse knows what's going on.
There were signs downstairs they've got plans for how the
motorcades work and things like that. So you know, they've
already blocked off the governor's door so people can't see
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in it. So you know, it'll be an interesting couple hours.
Right You've got a public sit in, You've got Democrats
including both Democrat congressmen, going to have a press conference
at twelve thirty kind of in the morning. There we've got,
you know, the vice president coming in at some point
to meet with leaders and the governor, and so it's
going to be an interesting day as the focus shifts
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now to Indiana and other states who are being pressured
to do similar things.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In Texas, Nikki Kelly is our guest from the Capitol Chronicle.
We are discussing the redistricting. Okay, so can you explain
to our audience because you've hit on something very very interesting.
We touched on it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You can't just.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Willy nilly make up a congressional district. There are very
specific things that have to be proved and considered, which
is why they only do it every ten years. And
if you just drew the districts not that long ago
and said these are fair, how legally are they going
to be able to potentially get around that saying, well,
what now they're more fair than they were before.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Can you talk about that for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, ill address that twofold. First of all, when I
mentioned legally, I meant whether it's even possible to have
a mid district census. The state constitution says very specifically
that the general Assembly, elected after the decential census charals
the district. So there's a question on that side. And
then once you go there, you have to say, what
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could you get out of Indiana's maps? And I think
everyone agrees that the most they could maybe pick up
is one seat, and you know, they have to be contiguous,
they have to have similar population levels. Are populations grown
maybe not even two percent? I think one and a
half percent, So there aren't these massive population or migration
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shifts that they have to work with. You know those
people who think, oh, maybe they could get the second
in Indianapolis, I mean the seventh. I mean they would
have to take so many votes from safe Republican districts
that border those that then you put those in jeopardy.
So it's it's sort of like a ripple effect. So
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one is can you legally do it? And two is
is it possible to improve the map and now use
improved in the terms of poor Republicans?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you like, is the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And that's what it comes down to, is the juice
worth the swee because they got to go to all
this effort, Like you said, one the first congressional district
is the one they would probably try to get. But
how do you even do all of that? And then
what's the backlash of doing that? And how much difference
is one congressional district going to make well.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I mean, you know, when the when the US Houses
as tredited, it is one congressional district can be you know,
the distream, major policy passing and not. But yeah, it's
a lot of political capital or burn, especially at a
time when it would require special session. We're laying people off,
we're cutting services for people. And yet you know, we
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were looking at the cost of the last special session
we had for abortion that was about two weeks and
it was two hundred and forty grand And yeah, in
the grand scheme of a forty billion dollars by any
of budget, that's not massive, but it's the it's the
sort of principle of you know, why are we doing this?
And I think if Republicans move that way in Indiana,
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they're going to have to come up with a coagent,
you know, argument about why it's necessary. And I at
least haven't heard that argument yet.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Real quick, before I let you go, when there is
a special sessions, people have asked about this, and nobody
who know this better than you. You can open up
for whatever you want. Just because you went to talk
about redistricting, anything could then pop up. Is that I'm
not saying it would, but it could correct.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, anyone can file bills. Obviously, if Republicans are going
to do a special session because they have super majority
they controlled, they would just kill every bill, send the
d rules, not let them have hearings so they can
easily keep it to one subject. But yes, anyone can
file a bill in a special session.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
She is one of the best in the business.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You find her over at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com.
Nikki Kelly, thank.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You, thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yep, it's Kendall and Casey. On ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So, an Indiana law involving the police was struck down,
and Casey, We're not the sort of people to say
we told you so, but they seem to recall numerous
instances of us saying this is a horrible lawn is
not going to survive the courts.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah, so the US Court of Appeals for the steff
of the Circuit, they ruled that Indiana cannot enforce the
twenty five foot buffer zone law.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now, as you know, my least favorite part of every program,
where I have to go on these very powerful airwaves
and do the dance and tell everybody how right we were,
and look, it is kind of weird with all the
attorneys in the state House, you know, high profile, high
priced attorneys and making all this money and they're you know,
private practices and that are helping write our laws that
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some low level bird lawyer here on the WIBC airwaves
can look at something and go, yeah, that's uh, that
ain't gonna I mean, how is it that I can
get it more right than the budget projectors? How I
can get it more right than all these attorneys when
they passed this law.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So the laws.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Required people to remain twenty five feet away from any
sort of active police involvement.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Right during official duties.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
The law actually said the police could help people to
step twenty five feet away.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
If a cop wanted you to get closer, they could
do that, but by the letter of the law, they
could mandate you step back twenty five feet.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I said, there is.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No way on a variety of issues, but the biggest one,
and this is the one that went down. And the
great thing about our radio programage you can go back
and review old tapes if you desire to do that.
I said, it's gonna be very hard to equally enforce
this that's better known as the fourteenth Amendment, and I
don't think this is gonna stand. And boy howdy, what
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won the day yesterday? Casey, what amendment did they cite
in the seventh seventh Circuit throwing this.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Thing out the fourteenth ammdber boy.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
How now?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
How is it that the low level bird lawyer, radio
broadcaster could sit here and go that's not gonna work.
And all of these uber smart attorneys, which I think
Rod Bray isn't he one, and I think there's a
whole bunch of them over there, they didn't see this
unfolding the way it's unfolded.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Okay, So what they're saying is that the all lacked
clear guidelines when an officer can invoke the buffer, how
do you measure the twenty five feet and what constitutes
official duty.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
They're saying that this.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Is just arbitrary and an officer could invoke the ladge
just because they had.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
A bad breakfast.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So let's let's talk about That's what one of the
judges cided. Let's talk about why this actually got done.
Because there's always the thing, but it's the it's what's
behind the thing, and this is why our governance is
so bad. Let's talk with Nigel in the back, and
we're talking about that interview we did with Austin Bonta,
who's the mayor of Portage, who laid out how Ed Soliday,
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who's the head of the utilities in the house, sends
him this threatening text message basically threatening withhold any new
extra moneies for his city, cut off the city because
he was critical of the IURC, the process by which
utilities can raise rates.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I said, Nigel, think about that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's the guy on top of being nine million years old,
which Ed is, that is in charge of public policy.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You think anyone that he doesn't like or care for
is getting equal kiss, right?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I said, this is why our governance is the way
it is because guys like that, who have so little
self control and are so elitist and self absorbed, they
don't care about truth, they don't care about right. They
care about what they want period. So this law, which
was so poorly written that the Midday guy on WIBC
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with no legal training whatsoever, can look at it go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But these lawmakers they didn't care about what was right.
They don't care about the law, they don't care about
what's going to pass muster. It was passed at a
time twenty twenty three where there's this clear, hey, we
think we can score political points against the Democrats because
they're so anti police, which they are by crafting a
law says we're gonna show you how pro cop we
are by making this law that says, look.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Cops, we'll give you all this room to do your job.
Look at these evil, villainous protesters that we saw during
the riots. Now you can really stick it to them.
Who loves your baby?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's the Republicans no interest in going Is that right?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Is that gonna pass muster? Is that gonna hold up?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And there's other other grounds this was and this is
important to realize, this law is being challenged on numerous grounds.
This is just one area in which they ruled and
threw it out. There's others like freedom of the press,
which I think it will probably go down on two
that are yet to be adjudicated where it could go
down again.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And so it really is an insight.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's always the thing which is a bad law, which
it's being toppled right now based on this ruling by
the Court of Appeals, But it's also the bigger lesson
for you the audience is how the stuff gets done
and why it gets done. And this is another example
of our lawmakers not doing what's right. Attorneys, how can
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they all be this wrong?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Apparently, shouldn't be using these people as your attorneys if
they if they can't get this right, consult.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Your legal professional for all legal needs. Sure, train legal professional.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, But they're doing something just because it's politically expedient
to do. And now it's as of right now donzo
in the courts now obviously could go to the Supreme Court,
it can get appealed to blah blah blah, and it
probably will.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But it's just it shouldn't be this difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, they challenged
the law on behalf of media organizations. They said that
it caused irreparable harm to journalism. Well, you know who's
calling causing a reparral harm to journalism? Many times it's
the journalists, well the news directors themselves, however.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
But twenty five feet case, you think about how long
that is?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So I don't know how tall, Kevin, Can you look
up real quick for me how tall is Tyrese Haliburton.
Can you just look that up. It'll probably tell you
very quick in the Google search they're using all those
six he's taller than six five.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Let's see if there's any other story.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No way, he's got to be taller than six five. Yeah,
six five, no kidding, we'll operate off that. Okay, Tyre's Halliburton.
So twenty five feet it's four Tyre's Halliburton. That's how
far it is. If you took that's even perfect. That
worked out even better. Sorry, Kevin, I didn't mean to
impune your integrity in any sense. He just seems taller
than that.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
If you took four of Tyre's Halliburton and you stretched
him out, that's how far this is. There's no way
you can say it cops in danger if you were
three Tyre's halliburtons away.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I mean, get out it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Maybe two tyree okay, twelve twelve is But again, it's
the enforceability of it, like it's just it's such it's
so poorly written.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
So the ACLU of Indiana, they argued that the law
in Fridges on the right to observe and record.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Police, well that's another big, big thing and that's another
area speech.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Would limit their accountability.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Right, is that, Hey, everyone's a citizen journalist now has
the potential to be a citizen journalist with the.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Cellular telephone in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And how many times have we seen police interactions and look,
let let me get in phrases specify this. God bless
our cops, God bless our law enforcement people, God bless
those people who are willing. This is I'm not talking
about this like as some anti police thing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'm talking about it. It's just simply bad public.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Policy that wasn't going to hold up in a court
of law, and now it has been struck down in
a court of law, and none of us police, regular people, fireman,
anybody should want that. We should want public policy that's
going to follow the law for all of the constitution
be able to be upheld. And because they went so
aggressively on this, something that might have been a closer
distance that could be upheld or wouldn't have been challenged, is.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Now not going to be the law which would make
your jobs easier.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Something else that happened yesterday the acting NASA administrator do
you know who that is?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, Buzz Aldrin.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
The acting NASA Administrator was just announced within the past.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh is it Duffy?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Sean Duffy, very good, Hey, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, because he's the transportation guy. To him, he is.
It's wild that he's NASA And it took me a
minute to figure.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Marco Rubia, Right, they get so many different jobs. You
can't keep track of a.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Buzz Aldron even still alive. Let's see here. Isn't that
wild that that's the first name I went there? It's
like buzz Aldron, first astronaut you think of? Who would
you say? Buzz Aldron is still alive. He's ninety five
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
If you were to say, tell somebody name an astron
right to be Neil Armstrong?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Is that right? Yeah? Would buzz Aldron be number two?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, or the Yeah, that'd probably be right anyway, Yes,
because that was crazy that the Transportation Administrator secretary.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Or whatever they call it, he's now the actors charge.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Things going into space.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
He issued a directive to accelerate development of a fission
based nuclear power source for the Moon.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh right, that's gonna yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
So the project is being prioritized due to national security concerns.
And international competition, and it's an America first.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Thing, so we're going to end up blowing up the moon.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
We want to be the first one on the moon.
So they've got a timeline for this.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
By August this month here, NASA says they're going to
appoint a new executive to lead the efforts, soe Sean
Duffy can just focus on transportation. By September, they expect
proposals from potential contractors.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Oh, somebody's gonna get rich off of this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
What do you want to bet that person might have
given money to somebody in the government. What do you
want to bet case when we see won who ends
up winning the big golden ticket.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Now, by March of next year, two finalists will be
awarded contracts to build and install the system, and the
target launch date will be Fall of twenty thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I have an idea.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, stay with me on this, okay, And this is
a radical idea. Yeah, And if I'm totally out of bounds,
you just you smack me back into in the line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah? Leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, how about we just focus on the price of food,
can we before we start putting nuclear reactors on the moon?
Can we just focus on the price of food and
the gas and make living living affordable here on earth.
How about we focus on affordable living here on earth
before we focus on putting things on the moon. Does
that make me some sort of crazy person who should
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be institutionalized?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Casey, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Speaking of crazy people who should be institutionalized, how about
that for a segue.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Hammer's up next on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, the Colts kick off the season tonight and somehow
Anthony Richardson's already been picked off and in his Colts attire,
mister Indianapolis, one half of the hammer In Nigel Radio program,
Jason Hammer.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Hello, quick public service announcement for your audience. Yeah, something
I encountered on my drive in the exit ramps, the
on ramps for seventy near the airport closed for the
arrival of JD. Van.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's super cool that they've inconvenienced in entire cities so
that they can further rig the elections.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It's very nice of him.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He was actually asked about that moments ago, Kevin, do
you have that audio? Yeah, here's JD Vance in the
State House.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Beck Beca.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's walking down a Hall right now.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh that's spelling radio.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, here comes.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Wash it Indiana redistricts. What are you gonna tell the
governor of sur vice president.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And no answer?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Go away.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Feels like I just listened to Abdul show on the weekend.
There I'm edited audio where you don't know what's going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Okay, So nothing says transparency like running behind some closed
doors to talk about how you're going to make.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It more rigged a vote in the state of Indiana.
That's just brilliant.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
But at the same time, like, yes, I would have
answered it, but I'm pompous and I'm over the top,
Like if he stopped to answer every single person that
yelled a question out at him.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Sure, but it's the fact that they're going behind some
tarped allegedly some tarped off areas. Like, if you're going
to talk about how you're going to affect seven million people,
have the conversation out in front of everybody, don't go
behind some closed door and come up with your new
goofy little map to rig it in favor of your
political party, because y'all can't win elections based on governing competently.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Tell us how you're going to screw us out in public.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
So you're saying that you had a difficult time getting
into work today because of that.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
So seventy over by Sam Jones, the artist, formerly known
as Airport Expressway shut down like you couldn't even get
on it, right?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So all right?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Fine, So I go down a little bit further because
I'm southwest side and I hit Washington Street. It's like, okay,
I'll take Washington Street in. You get to a point
to Washington Street where road closed ahead due to construction. Well,
son of a you know what, So now I got
to backtrack, come all the way back, pass all the
exits that I'm not allowed to get on, and find
an alternative way downtown.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Cases.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, it's really easy to get downtown right now.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Remember when living used to be easy?
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I made This construction right now is so ridiculous. I've
lived in Indie my whole life. I'm a lifer here.
I've never seen so many places under construction at once
where there's no hope of it getting done anytime soon.
Like Illinois Street is totally shut down because of government
funded hotel. But at least they're working on that. That
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thing's going up like a rocket ship.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Look at the monument out here.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Well you can't rob because you refuse to put the
window up.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But oh I put the American flag up. What a
horrible person that I hang our nation's colors down?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Me not why you do it? You want the perfect
lighting on your face because you want all the attentions.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Actually, Carl does it all. Carl's really in charge of.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Them, all of that, And well we'd be worse off
without Carl anyway, Go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
But this damn thing's been under construction for like three years. Yes,
there's nobody ever working. It's like a running joke we
have in the afternoon. We get here at three o'clock.
Look out the window. It's a beautiful, partly cloudy, seventy
nine degree day, and there's nobody out there working.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, somebody told me this years ago in a government
meeting about traffic. They said, the goal of anything you're doing,
as it relates, whether it's speed limit signs or signs
of businesses or whatever, is to keep the traffic moving.
Because as long as you're moving, even if it's at
five miles an hour, there's always hope.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
As a motorist.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You see road rage when there's no hope of movement,
and they have created a level of desparate hopelessness in
downtown to Indianapolis, the likes I have never seen before.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Well, look who the mayor is, right, And you've said
this before, Rob, The job of a mayor in theory
is pretty simple, right. You keep your roads and your
infrastructure taken care of. You make sure the trash gets
picked up on a timely basis, and no scandals, no
embarrassment wops. We're all for three on a boss Hank
set there because the trash in my neighborhood, we're lucky
if it gets picked up on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The four things that a mayor is supposed to be
responsible for. Everything else is just shenanigans. You judge your
mayor based on these these four things. You can throw
in the scandals as the fifth food. You got the roads,
how the road's doing now great?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You got?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You got the snow, the snow removal, the not good?
You got the public safety. Youre feeling safe downtown these.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Days record homicides under Joehawks.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And then and then the trash.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And I can't speak to the trash, but you have
experience with the trash. How is the trash about as
good as the crime? Oh, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It's a zero for four. What do they call that?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
The golden sombrero? And a Major League baseball player goes
oh for four with four strikeouts, It's called the golden sombrero,
Joe Hawk said, is the golden sombrero of mayors.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Of maj Now you had mentioned Washington Street, and that's
the street I would typically take to get from my
house to the radio station.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Many detours under construction.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Okay, so I got to go a different route and
take Michigan Now to get into work, and of course
everybody is taking the detour, so there's a huge backup.
Yesterday on my windo work, I landed right on the
train tracks and I sat there and I looked both ways.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
This is not good. This is not good.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I'm gonna be somebody show prepp.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I really hope these cards start moving.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I've always said, when my time comes, what is time
for me to meet my maker? I hope it's such
a wacky, crazy death that I'm somebody's show prep. I
want to pay it forward for all the years that
I've had ridiculous stories given to me. I want to
be somebody's ridiculous street.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Did you do it naked? So at least you can't
due to the news.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, So you got your Colts shirt on. The Colts
kick off the preseason tonight. Are you excited about the Colts?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Give me an honest assessment of the team this year.
Not good.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
I placed a future bet that the Colts would finish
third in the division. I got plus money on that,
plus two point fifty for them to finish in third place.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So they got to beat one of the teams but
lose to two others.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Right, So I feel like the Texans will be one Yep.
The Jags, if healthy, are two wow, followed by the Colts,
and then the Titans with a rookie quarterback. So if
the Colts finish in third place in the AFC South,
as a Colts fan, not gonna like it. But as
a gambling degenerate, I'm gonna make some money.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So you got no faith obviously in Richardson, and then
no faith in the in the in the backup Daniel Jones,
the high priced guy they brought in to be the
back My.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Options are a guy that tapped out of a game,
because he was tired and a guy that couldn't start
for the Giants. This is where my fandom has met
across roads. Right Like man in the past, I'd be
so excited for tonight. Hey, first Colts game. I know
it's preseason garbage, but at least for the first ten minutes,
I'm going to be excited. I think maybe I'm still
(36:28):
a little heartbroken from the Pacers, like the Game seven,
with the injury and the way that it happened hasn't
sat well with me. Yeah, I'm having a hard time
getting over this breakup. But uh man, yeah, I'm just
not feeling this quarterback situation. I think it's the worst
quarterback room in the league. And keep in mind the league.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Has the Cleveland Browns on it, so you're you have
no faith that that's just gonna click with this dude
this year with all these tools we've heard about Richardson
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You have no faith that this is this is the year.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
I don't now.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I he proves me wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
If he proves me wrong, I will come on here
and say, hey, I was wrong, man, that Richardson kid
figured it out. But I follow a lot of sec football.
I'm a falls guy. Richardson could not pass in college.
He's got a cannon for an arm. He'll throw the
deep ball to alec peers and you guys are gonna
love it. But he can't move the chains on third down.
He can't read a defense. He can't make the basic
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throws at least he can't as of his entire college
through pro career so far.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What are we doing this afternoon? What's going on? Man?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It is Bring the Heat Thursday on the Hammer In
Nigel Show. We've got Tommy larn We've got Rob Kendall. Wow,
myself had a new degenerates next Door sports betting podcast
will drop around one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
All right, good stuff, Thank you. Hammer.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It is Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC
Okay, so we knew this was coming.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
I think we've been kind of alluded to this yesterday
on our program. The Speedway, the Motor Speedway, the Indianapolis
Motor Speedway.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
You've heard of that before, right, yeahc driven by many times.
Speaker 4 (00:11):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
By the way, it's Kenney Casey, Jean Rob Casey's here.
They are not happy about the Trump administration this detention
center that they're opening up in Miami.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Yep, the Miami Correctional Facility with.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
The Miami Correctional Facility Bunker Hill, Indiana, because you don't know,
just get on thirty one, just head and you'll basically
run right into it. They are not happy about it
being dubbed the Speedway Slammer, and I don't blame them,
and I can't believe, first of all, how stupid these
people are, given the fact that the thing is like
an hour and a half away from Speedway, Indiana, and
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that they thought, Hey, some nonpartisan group that is the
world's largest racecourse and prides itself on welcoming all people
land wasn't going to give you a little pushback on that.
Speaker 5 (01:02):
Well, part of the problem is that DHS shared an
AI generated image and it's of an indie car and
it has Ice branding on it, and it had the
number five. Well that's associated with Pato Award, right, and
so Penske Entertainment, which owns the speedway. They stated they
were not informed, and they requested that their intellectual property
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not be used, and the Department of Homeland Security said, nope,
we're not going to change the branding and all of
these concerns over the intellectual property is absurd, and it's
going to be branded as Speedway Slammer.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Okay, So let's talk about that for a second.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Because one of the things, and I recognize that somebody's
going to get big mad at me for saying this,
but this doesn't come off as serious like the alligator
Alcatraz thing.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
It's sort of DeSantis brand. I guess, I don't know.
But now, when we're just coming up with nicknames for
everything and you're going out of your way to give
it a nickname, it takes away from the seriousness of
the issue and the stuff that is actually being done there. Now, look,
canna get mad at me you're saying this and saying, oh,
(02:19):
you're being a whim or blah blah blah. The immigration
conversation is about should be as much about doing the
It should be about as winning the public over to
your side as doing the job itself. And what I
mean by that is it takes buy in for public policy.
It takes public buy in for public policy to be sustainable.
(02:42):
And so what I mean by that is in order
to continue to build these facilities, expand them, make sure
money can do to get allocated the representatives, the people
who are doing this have to believe that the public
at large is behind them. And I think the public
is behind them in the sense of they want the
job done. But the reality is probably thirty percent of
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the populace. If that thirty percent of the populace is
a hardcore maga, everything Trump does is great, everything Trump
does is funny sort of person.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
There's a huge group of.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
People, including people who voted for Trump, who just wanted
the country change. They don't want this stuff thrown in
their face. They don't want things to be made light
of like this, because, yes, while there are going to
be many dangerous people there has these facilities, there will
also there's a chance be fathers and people who are
(03:37):
not violent offenders and people who broke the law who
need to go back. I'm not arguing that they need
to be sent back, but you're dehumanizing, and I'm saying
this is how people in the middle will view it.
I'm not saying that's how necessarily we view it. We're
tough that skinned people here, but people in the middle,
who you need to win elections, who you need to
(03:58):
keep the policy going, will view this as unseious behavior
and unnecessarily dehumanizing. Many of these people even if they
believe they need to leave the country, And so by
making everything some joke or some nickname or whatever, you
run the risk of alienating the people you need to
keep the policy going.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
Why does it have to have a brand like speedway Slammer.
We all know it's seventy miles away from the speedway,
so it's.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Not close to it.
Speaker 5 (04:29):
Why can't it just be called the Miami Correctional Facility,
Like does it have to have this speedway slammer moniker?
And you know, when you think about the speedway, that's
a place you go to get your mind off of
everything else. It's a place that you go to to
relax and have some fun and auto racing and enjoy yourself.
(04:55):
And now you've got dhs taking a place where all
love and turning it into a place that's very polarizing.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Yeah, and especially like the alligator Alcatraz or whatever that was.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
Hey, that was de Sands's thing.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
He's on board. It's in the swamp. There's no branding
with it in terms of there's not a legitimate you know,
play like Alcatraz is a legitimate place, but I'm saying
there's no commercial entity that you've got to have, you know,
approval of. It's just a bad look and it starts
to make And this is one of the problems with
Trump as president is everybody's always trying to make everything
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so big and such a spectacle. They're trying to always
in everything done in a government under Trump, they're trying
to make it trump esque. And the reality is somebody
told me this years ago when I first got elected,
and I had all these big ideas, and he said, okay,
these are nice, but he said, the most important things
you're gonna do are really boring stuff, things like making
(05:56):
sure fawcets turn on, making sure the toilet's flush, you know,
making sure that sidewalks are repaired.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
It may sound boring, but when they're not there available
to you.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
It's a huge deal, exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And people actually judge their communities in the case of
what he was talking about with me on how do
the nuts and bolts work? Like when you look at
community surveys, all these communities do citizen surveys, and you
you used to see that where all the important things
weren't the bright, shiny objects that it was the police,
the fire, the water, the sewer, the roads, the bridges,
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the sidewalks, like that's always what scored at.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
The at the tippy top. That's so.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
But in the sense of this government is boring the
nuts and bolts of government, and some people need to
hear this more than others. It ain't how flashy you
can be. It ain't how many people you can get
in front of. It isn't what a spectacle you make
when you go somewhere. It's how do you manage the
nuts and bolts of the things that you are in
charge in. Because government is actually a job. Government is
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actually a responsibility, and this is something that should be done.
These people should be apprehended, they should be sent back
to their countries of origin. It will make America a better,
safer place. But you do it in a quiet, business
like professional manner. You can give the stats out, you
can talk about what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
There's no problem with that.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
But when you're trying to make it some sort of
a spectacle that many people, especially people who voted for you,
will view as dehumanizing, you're doing yourself a disservice.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
So the borders are Tom Holman.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
He said that he doesn't know who named the initiative,
but I hopes that the name doesn't overshadow the mission.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Exactly, and it will, and it will. People will know
it by the name instead of the thing. It's it's accomplishing,
all right. So we're gonna go and take a break
because we've got a little bit of an extended segment
with Nicki Kelly, because we've got so much to get to.
We've got this redissearching stuff. Vance's here, We've got these still.
This is a big story, these allegations of AI porn
(07:51):
being viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office, A ton of
stuff going on with the state.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
Nicki Kelly from the Capitol Chronicle will join us next.
Speaker 5 (07:58):
It's Kennelyn Casey on ninety three w IBC.
Speaker 6 (08:11):
I can say there's so much going on, you're gonna
stay to Indiana.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
It's a lot, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Every year session ends and we're like, what we'll we
talk about for the next eight months, and then there's
more stuff to talk about that when the session is
going on. We've got many things to get to. Uh
here to help us sort through it. One of the
best in the business. She runs the Indiana Capitol Chronicle,
the Great Nikki Kelly. Nikki Kelly, Hello, good morning.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Yeah, I didn't sign up for this like it's in
an AWF election year and can't catch our breath.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Nikki, this is supposed to be the slow season.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
Right, specially working on projects.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yes, so all right, dealer's choice. We got two big
things to get to. You can choose. We can do
AI porn first, or we can do I never thought
I'd be saying that to you, Nicki Kelly. We can
do AI porn first, or we can do we can
do the redistricting. Where do you want to go?
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Sure, let's start with porn.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
You know, I've known Nicki Kelly for a long time,
and I never ever dreamed of all the year she's
been coming on Casey, She'd say, sure, let's start with
porn all right, So you guys have done an expose
on this with obviously Craig Haggard coming out and speaking.
Of course, this relates to allegations that artificial intelligence pornography
was viewed in the Lieutenant Governor's office shared in the
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Lieutenant Governor's office. And it's like we're at a standoff
now because two things can't be true. Beck what claims
the investigated and cleared his guys Labanco put the names
out there, So he's basically put himself on the on
the line that this that this happened.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Like where are we at with this? What do we
make of all this?
Speaker 4 (09:43):
Yeah, you know, I still haven't talked to anyone who's
actually seen the video. I'm not saying it doesn't exist.
I'm just saying I haven't found anyone yet. And so
I think the first thing that Mary Kenny Crosskier's office
is trying to do is actually determined if it exists,
and then they'll try to figure out, you know, who
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made it, who had it, you know, and whether any
criminal statutes were were broken. Because I haven't been able
to find it or see it. We were taking a
little bit of a wait and see approach until the
prosecutor's office gun involved, and then you know it's its
own story. Whether it exists or not doesn't even really
(10:26):
matter if now it's become you know, an investigation.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Okay, So this is where I'm stuck on in Casey
and I've talked about this out loud. You've known Lobianco
for a while ago for The Star. I'm sure you
guys crossed paths.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
He lives in Maryland. Now he covers national politics. Like,
I'm so torn on. Nobody can explain this to me
because the other side is like, well, this is a
you know, gotcha journalism or sensationalism or whatever. Is there
any logical reason that this guy sitting in Maryland, who
has nothing to do with the state of Indiana now
would just wake up one day and go, you know,
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I'm going to I'm going to get the Lieutenant Governor
of Indiana. I'm going to find two obscure workers in
the office, and I'm gonna fabricate a story around artificial
intelligence pornography. Oh and I'm going to pick an obscure
state Rep. Craig Haggard to name his wife as the victim. Right, like,
like you have to believe all of those things right
to believe it's made up in some sense.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
Look, I mean the fact is, I don't know who
his forces are. But you know, it also could be
that the forces made it up. Like you know what
I mean. You got to remember, I'm not saying they are,
but I'm saying there are multiple different things that could
be happening here. And so you know, he he was
in town back in April to do sort of a
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feature profile on the Lieutenant governor. He was kind of
working with the Indiana Citizen for that, and I know
he went to a town hole with Mike I sat
down with the Lieutenant governor. So he was working in
the realm already. So and he clearly still has sources
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from from back when he was in the state.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
You ever seen a story like this?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You've covered what twenty five years now, you issu, you've
been covering the state House.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Have you ever seen a story like this?
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Yeah? I mean there are occasionally kind of crazy stories
that pop up with with crazy angles, whether it be
sex scandals or you know that kind of thing. And
so yeah, I mean these things occasionally pop up, but
you know, getting a proscinner involved because of the laws
on deep fakes and non consensual AI generated videos, so
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that that takes it to the next level.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
I think Nikki Kelly is our guest from the Indiana
Capitol Chronicle, Okay, redistricting Nick J. D.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Vance.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I think he's going to be here soon, if he's
not already here at this At this point, he is
in town seemingly to talk about that. What are you
hearing about these conversations between Vance, the governor, and the
leadership of the General Assembly.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
Well, the leadership of the General Assembly has been refusing
to talk about it for a couple of weeks. Now,
I know that reporters have sent inquiries and they're just
you know, ignoring them altogether. So I think they're going
to sit and they're going to listen. But I haven't
heard of any member who's like, yes, let's do this,
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let's get this done. I mean, I think there's going
to be a lot of caution, especially from you know,
I have to point out that Center Rod Bray is
an attorney, so he's always a little more circumspect on
you know, what you're allowed to do and following the
you know, quote unquote rule of law. This hasn't happened,
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I don't think since we went to difinial censuses, and
so you know, you'd have to really get passed off
of the legal arguments of whether this is even possible
due to the language in the Indiana Constitution.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
So what have you heard about the sit in that
is happening at the State House and will that affect
anything going on with Jadie Vance.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
I know that I've got a couple of reporters over
there right now. They said there's a few people kind
of gathering. I think the Whitehouse knows what's going on.
There were signs downstairs they've got plans for how the
motorcades work and things like that. So you know, they've
already blocked off the governor's door so people can't see
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in it. So you know, it'll be an interesting couple hours.
Right You've got a public sit in, You've got Democrats
including both Democrat congressmen, going to have a press conference
at twelve thirty kind of in the morning. There we've got,
you know, the vice president coming in at some point
to meet with leaders and the governor, and so it's
going to be an interesting day as the focus shifts
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now to Indiana and other states who are being pressured
to do similar things.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In Texas, Nikki Kelly is our guest from the Capitol Chronicle.
We are discussing the redistricting. Okay, so can you explain
to our audience because you've hit on something very very interesting.
We touched on it yesterday.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
You can't just.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
Willy nilly make up a congressional district. There are very
specific things that have to be proved and considered, which
is why they only do it every ten years. And
if you just drew the districts not that long ago
and said these are fair, how legally are they going
to be able to potentially get around that saying, well,
what now they're more fair than they were before.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Can you talk about that for a little bit.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, ill address that twofold. First of all, when I
mentioned legally, I meant whether it's even possible to have
a mid district census. The state constitution says very specifically
that the general Assembly, elected after the decential census charals
the district. So there's a question on that side. And
then once you go there, you have to say, what
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could you get out of Indiana's maps? And I think
everyone agrees that the most they could maybe pick up
is one seat, and you know, they have to be contiguous,
they have to have similar population levels. Are populations grown
maybe not even two percent? I think one and a
half percent, So there aren't these massive population or migration
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shifts that they have to work with. You know those
people who think, oh, maybe they could get the second
in Indianapolis, I mean the seventh. I mean they would
have to take so many votes from safe Republican districts
that border those that then you put those in jeopardy.
So it's it's sort of like a ripple effect. So
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one is can you legally do it? And two is
is it possible to improve the map and now use
improved in the terms of poor Republicans?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Do you like, is the juice worth the squeeze?
Speaker 4 (16:47):
Right?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
And that's what it comes down to, is the juice
worth the swee because they got to go to all
this effort, Like you said, one the first congressional district
is the one they would probably try to get. But
how do you even do all of that? And then
what's the backlash of doing that? And how much difference
is one congressional district going to make well.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I mean, you know, when the when the US Houses
as tredited, it is one congressional district can be you know,
the distream, major policy passing and not. But yeah, it's
a lot of political capital or burn, especially at a
time when it would require special session. We're laying people off,
we're cutting services for people. And yet you know, we
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were looking at the cost of the last special session
we had for abortion that was about two weeks and
it was two hundred and forty grand And yeah, in
the grand scheme of a forty billion dollars by any
of budget, that's not massive, but it's the it's the
sort of principle of you know, why are we doing this?
And I think if Republicans move that way in Indiana,
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they're going to have to come up with a coagent,
you know, argument about why it's necessary. And I at
least haven't heard that argument yet.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
Real quick, before I let you go, when there is
a special sessions, people have asked about this, and nobody
who know this better than you. You can open up
for whatever you want. Just because you went to talk
about redistricting, anything could then pop up. Is that I'm
not saying it would, but it could correct.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Yeah, anyone can file bills. Obviously, if Republicans are going
to do a special session because they have super majority
they controlled, they would just kill every bill, send the
d rules, not let them have hearings so they can
easily keep it to one subject. But yes, anyone can
file a bill in a special session.
Speaker 1 (18:30):
She is one of the best in the business.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
You find her over at Indiana Capitol Chronicle dot com.
Nikki Kelly, thank.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
You, thanks a lot, guys.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yep, it's Kendall and Casey. On ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
So, an Indiana law involving the police was struck down,
and Casey, We're not the sort of people to say
we told you so, but they seem to recall numerous
instances of us saying this is a horrible lawn is
not going to survive the courts.
Speaker 5 (19:01):
Yeah, so the US Court of Appeals for the steff
of the Circuit, they ruled that Indiana cannot enforce the
twenty five foot buffer zone law.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Now, as you know, my least favorite part of every program,
where I have to go on these very powerful airwaves
and do the dance and tell everybody how right we were,
and look, it is kind of weird with all the
attorneys in the state House, you know, high profile, high
priced attorneys and making all this money and they're you know,
private practices and that are helping write our laws that
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some low level bird lawyer here on the WIBC airwaves
can look at something and go, yeah, that's uh, that
ain't gonna I mean, how is it that I can
get it more right than the budget projectors? How I
can get it more right than all these attorneys when
they passed this law.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
So the laws.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Required people to remain twenty five feet away from any
sort of active police involvement.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Right during official duties.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
The law actually said the police could help people to
step twenty five feet away.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
If a cop wanted you to get closer, they could
do that, but by the letter of the law, they
could mandate you step back twenty five feet.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
And I said, there is.
Speaker 2 (20:10):
No way on a variety of issues, but the biggest one,
and this is the one that went down. And the
great thing about our radio programage you can go back
and review old tapes if you desire to do that.
I said, it's gonna be very hard to equally enforce
this that's better known as the fourteenth Amendment, and I
don't think this is gonna stand. And boy howdy, what
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won the day yesterday? Casey, what amendment did they cite
in the seventh seventh Circuit throwing this.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Thing out the fourteenth ammdber boy.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
How now?
Speaker 2 (20:40):
How is it that the low level bird lawyer, radio
broadcaster could sit here and go that's not gonna work.
And all of these uber smart attorneys, which I think
Rod Bray isn't he one, and I think there's a
whole bunch of them over there, they didn't see this
unfolding the way it's unfolded.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
Okay, So what they're saying is that the all lacked
clear guidelines when an officer can invoke the buffer, how
do you measure the twenty five feet and what constitutes
official duty.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
They're saying that this.
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Is just arbitrary and an officer could invoke the ladge
just because they had.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
A bad breakfast.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
So let's let's talk about That's what one of the
judges cided. Let's talk about why this actually got done.
Because there's always the thing, but it's the it's what's
behind the thing, and this is why our governance is
so bad. Let's talk with Nigel in the back, and
we're talking about that interview we did with Austin Bonta,
who's the mayor of Portage, who laid out how Ed Soliday,
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who's the head of the utilities in the house, sends
him this threatening text message basically threatening withhold any new
extra moneies for his city, cut off the city because
he was critical of the IURC, the process by which
utilities can raise rates.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And I said, Nigel, think about that.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
That's the guy on top of being nine million years old,
which Ed is, that is in charge of public policy.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
You think anyone that he doesn't like or care for
is getting equal kiss, right?
Speaker 2 (22:17):
I said, this is why our governance is the way
it is because guys like that, who have so little
self control and are so elitist and self absorbed, they
don't care about truth, they don't care about right. They
care about what they want period. So this law, which
was so poorly written that the Midday guy on WIBC
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with no legal training whatsoever, can look at it go ahead.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
It ain't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But these lawmakers they didn't care about what was right.
They don't care about the law, they don't care about
what's going to pass muster. It was passed at a
time twenty twenty three where there's this clear, hey, we
think we can score political points against the Democrats because
they're so anti police, which they are by crafting a
law says we're gonna show you how pro cop we
are by making this law that says, look.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Cops, we'll give you all this room to do your job.
Look at these evil, villainous protesters that we saw during
the riots. Now you can really stick it to them.
Who loves your baby?
Speaker 2 (23:13):
It's the Republicans no interest in going Is that right?
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Is that gonna pass muster? Is that gonna hold up?
Speaker 2 (23:20):
And there's other other grounds this was and this is
important to realize, this law is being challenged on numerous grounds.
This is just one area in which they ruled and
threw it out. There's others like freedom of the press,
which I think it will probably go down on two
that are yet to be adjudicated where it could go
down again.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And so it really is an insight.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
It's always the thing which is a bad law, which
it's being toppled right now based on this ruling by
the Court of Appeals, But it's also the bigger lesson
for you the audience is how the stuff gets done
and why it gets done. And this is another example
of our lawmakers not doing what's right. Attorneys, how can
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they all be this wrong?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Right?
Speaker 2 (24:03):
Apparently, shouldn't be using these people as your attorneys if
they if they can't get this right, consult.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Your legal professional for all legal needs. Sure, train legal professional.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
Right, But they're doing something just because it's politically expedient
to do. And now it's as of right now donzo
in the courts now obviously could go to the Supreme Court,
it can get appealed to blah blah blah, and it
probably will.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
But it's just it shouldn't be this difficult.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
So you're right.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
The Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, they challenged
the law on behalf of media organizations. They said that
it caused irreparable harm to journalism. Well, you know who's
calling causing a reparral harm to journalism? Many times it's
the journalists, well the news directors themselves, however.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
But twenty five feet case, you think about how long
that is?
Speaker 2 (24:50):
So I don't know how tall, Kevin, Can you look
up real quick for me how tall is Tyrese Haliburton.
Can you just look that up. It'll probably tell you
very quick in the Google search they're using all those
six he's taller than six five.
Speaker 3 (25:04):
Let's see if there's any other story.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
No way, he's got to be taller than six five. Yeah,
six five, no kidding, we'll operate off that. Okay, Tyre's Halliburton.
So twenty five feet it's four Tyre's Halliburton. That's how
far it is. If you took that's even perfect. That
worked out even better. Sorry, Kevin, I didn't mean to
impune your integrity in any sense. He just seems taller
than that.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
Anyway.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
If you took four of Tyre's Halliburton and you stretched
him out, that's how far this is. There's no way
you can say it cops in danger if you were
three Tyre's halliburtons away.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I mean, get out it.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Maybe two tyree okay, twelve twelve is But again, it's
the enforceability of it, like it's just it's such it's
so poorly written.
Speaker 5 (25:42):
So the ACLU of Indiana, they argued that the law
in Fridges on the right to observe and record.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Police, well that's another big, big thing and that's another
area speech.
Speaker 3 (25:53):
Would limit their accountability.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
Right, is that, Hey, everyone's a citizen journalist now has
the potential to be a citizen journalist with the.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Cellular telephone in your pocket.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
And how many times have we seen police interactions and look,
let let me get in phrases specify this. God bless
our cops, God bless our law enforcement people, God bless
those people who are willing. This is I'm not talking
about this like as some anti police thing.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
I'm talking about it. It's just simply bad public.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
Policy that wasn't going to hold up in a court
of law, and now it has been struck down in
a court of law, and none of us police, regular people, fireman,
anybody should want that. We should want public policy that's
going to follow the law for all of the constitution
be able to be upheld. And because they went so
aggressively on this, something that might have been a closer
distance that could be upheld or wouldn't have been challenged, is.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Now not going to be the law which would make
your jobs easier.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Something else that happened yesterday the acting NASA administrator do
you know who that is?
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Well, Buzz Aldrin.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
The acting NASA Administrator was just announced within the past.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Oh is it Duffy?
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Sean Duffy, very good, Hey, that's.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, because he's the transportation guy. To him, he is.
It's wild that he's NASA And it took me a
minute to figure.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Marco Rubia, Right, they get so many different jobs. You
can't keep track of a.
Speaker 2 (27:06):
Buzz Aldron even still alive. Let's see here. Isn't that
wild that that's the first name I went there? It's
like buzz Aldron, first astronaut you think of? Who would
you say? Buzz Aldron is still alive. He's ninety five
years old.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:16):
If you were to say, tell somebody name an astron
right to be Neil Armstrong?
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Is that right? Yeah? Would buzz Aldron be number two?
Speaker 3 (27:22):
Probably?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (27:23):
Yeah, or the Yeah, that'd probably be right anyway, Yes,
because that was crazy that the Transportation Administrator secretary.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Or whatever they call it, he's now the actors charge.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Things going into space.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:37):
He issued a directive to accelerate development of a fission
based nuclear power source for the Moon.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Oh right, that's gonna yeah.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
So the project is being prioritized due to national security concerns.
And international competition, and it's an America first.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Thing, so we're going to end up blowing up the moon.
Speaker 3 (27:56):
We want to be the first one on the moon.
So they've got a timeline for this.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
By August this month here, NASA says they're going to
appoint a new executive to lead the efforts, soe Sean
Duffy can just focus on transportation. By September, they expect
proposals from potential contractors.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Oh, somebody's gonna get rich off of this.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
What do you want to bet that person might have
given money to somebody in the government. What do you
want to bet case when we see won who ends
up winning the big golden ticket.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
Now, by March of next year, two finalists will be
awarded contracts to build and install the system, and the
target launch date will be Fall of twenty thirty.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
I have an idea.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Now, stay with me on this, okay, And this is
a radical idea. Yeah, And if I'm totally out of bounds,
you just you smack me back into in the line.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Are you ready?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
Yeah? Leave it alone.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Well, how about we just focus on the price of food,
can we before we start putting nuclear reactors on the moon?
Can we just focus on the price of food and
the gas and make living living affordable here on earth.
How about we focus on affordable living here on earth
before we focus on putting things on the moon. Does
that make me some sort of crazy person who should
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be institutionalized?
Speaker 3 (29:11):
Casey, No, I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Speaking of crazy people who should be institutionalized, how about
that for a segue.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Hammer's up next on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Well, the Colts kick off the season tonight and somehow
Anthony Richardson's already been picked off and in his Colts attire,
mister Indianapolis, one half of the hammer In Nigel Radio program,
Jason Hammer.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Hello, quick public service announcement for your audience. Yeah, something
I encountered on my drive in the exit ramps, the
on ramps for seventy near the airport closed for the
arrival of JD. Van.
Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's super cool that they've inconvenienced in entire cities so
that they can further rig the elections.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It's very nice of him.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He was actually asked about that moments ago, Kevin, do
you have that audio? Yeah, here's JD Vance in the
State House.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
Beck Beca.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's walking down a Hall right now.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Oh that's spelling radio.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Well, here comes.
Speaker 1 (30:13):
Wash it Indiana redistricts. What are you gonna tell the
governor of sur vice president.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
And no answer?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Go away.
Speaker 6 (30:21):
Feels like I just listened to Abdul show on the weekend.
There I'm edited audio where you don't know what's going
to happen.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
Okay, So nothing says transparency like running behind some closed
doors to talk about how you're going to make.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
It more rigged a vote in the state of Indiana.
That's just brilliant.
Speaker 6 (30:35):
But at the same time, like, yes, I would have
answered it, but I'm pompous and I'm over the top,
Like if he stopped to answer every single person that
yelled a question out at him.
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Sure, but it's the fact that they're going behind some
tarped allegedly some tarped off areas. Like, if you're going
to talk about how you're going to affect seven million people,
have the conversation out in front of everybody, don't go
behind some closed door and come up with your new
goofy little map to rig it in favor of your
political party, because y'all can't win elections based on governing competently.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Tell us how you're going to screw us out in public.
Speaker 5 (31:07):
So you're saying that you had a difficult time getting
into work today because of that.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
So seventy over by Sam Jones, the artist, formerly known
as Airport Expressway shut down like you couldn't even get
on it, right?
Speaker 1 (31:20):
So all right?
Speaker 6 (31:21):
Fine, So I go down a little bit further because
I'm southwest side and I hit Washington Street. It's like, okay,
I'll take Washington Street in. You get to a point
to Washington Street where road closed ahead due to construction. Well,
son of a you know what, So now I got
to backtrack, come all the way back, pass all the
exits that I'm not allowed to get on, and find
an alternative way downtown.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Cases.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Yeah, it's really easy to get downtown right now.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Remember when living used to be easy?
Speaker 6 (31:48):
I made This construction right now is so ridiculous. I've
lived in Indie my whole life. I'm a lifer here.
I've never seen so many places under construction at once
where there's no hope of it getting done anytime soon.
Like Illinois Street is totally shut down because of government
funded hotel. But at least they're working on that. That
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thing's going up like a rocket ship.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Look at the monument out here.
Speaker 6 (32:12):
Well you can't rob because you refuse to put the
window up.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
But oh I put the American flag up. What a
horrible person that I hang our nation's colors down?
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Me not why you do it? You want the perfect
lighting on your face because you want all the attentions.
Speaker 1 (32:24):
Actually, Carl does it all. Carl's really in charge of.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Them, all of that, And well we'd be worse off
without Carl anyway, Go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 6 (32:30):
But this damn thing's been under construction for like three years. Yes,
there's nobody ever working. It's like a running joke we
have in the afternoon. We get here at three o'clock.
Look out the window. It's a beautiful, partly cloudy, seventy
nine degree day, and there's nobody out there working.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Yeah, somebody told me this years ago in a government
meeting about traffic. They said, the goal of anything you're doing,
as it relates, whether it's speed limit signs or signs
of businesses or whatever, is to keep the traffic moving.
Because as long as you're moving, even if it's at
five miles an hour, there's always hope.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
As a motorist.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You see road rage when there's no hope of movement,
and they have created a level of desparate hopelessness in
downtown to Indianapolis, the likes I have never seen before.
Speaker 6 (33:15):
Well, look who the mayor is, right, And you've said
this before, Rob, The job of a mayor in theory
is pretty simple, right. You keep your roads and your
infrastructure taken care of. You make sure the trash gets
picked up on a timely basis, and no scandals, no
embarrassment wops. We're all for three on a boss Hank
set there because the trash in my neighborhood, we're lucky
if it gets picked up on a Friday.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The four things that a mayor is supposed to be
responsible for. Everything else is just shenanigans. You judge your
mayor based on these these four things. You can throw
in the scandals as the fifth food. You got the roads,
how the road's doing now great?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
You got?
Speaker 2 (33:50):
You got the snow, the snow removal, the not good?
You got the public safety. Youre feeling safe downtown these.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Days record homicides under Joehawks.
Speaker 1 (33:59):
And then and then the trash.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
And I can't speak to the trash, but you have
experience with the trash. How is the trash about as
good as the crime? Oh, so there you go.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
It's a zero for four. What do they call that?
Speaker 6 (34:09):
The golden sombrero? And a Major League baseball player goes
oh for four with four strikeouts, It's called the golden sombrero,
Joe Hawk said, is the golden sombrero of mayors.
Speaker 5 (34:19):
Of maj Now you had mentioned Washington Street, and that's
the street I would typically take to get from my
house to the radio station.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Many detours under construction.
Speaker 5 (34:28):
Okay, so I got to go a different route and
take Michigan Now to get into work, and of course
everybody is taking the detour, so there's a huge backup.
Yesterday on my windo work, I landed right on the
train tracks and I sat there and I looked both ways.
Speaker 3 (34:48):
This is not good. This is not good.
Speaker 6 (34:50):
I'm gonna be somebody show prepp.
Speaker 3 (34:52):
I really hope these cards start moving.
Speaker 6 (34:54):
I've always said, when my time comes, what is time
for me to meet my maker? I hope it's such
a wacky, crazy death that I'm somebody's show prep. I
want to pay it forward for all the years that
I've had ridiculous stories given to me. I want to
be somebody's ridiculous street.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
Did you do it naked? So at least you can't
due to the news.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
That's me.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
Okay, So you got your Colts shirt on. The Colts
kick off the preseason tonight. Are you excited about the Colts?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Give me an honest assessment of the team this year.
Not good.
Speaker 6 (35:28):
I placed a future bet that the Colts would finish
third in the division. I got plus money on that,
plus two point fifty for them to finish in third place.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
So they got to beat one of the teams but
lose to two others.
Speaker 6 (35:41):
Right, So I feel like the Texans will be one Yep.
The Jags, if healthy, are two wow, followed by the Colts,
and then the Titans with a rookie quarterback. So if
the Colts finish in third place in the AFC South,
as a Colts fan, not gonna like it. But as
a gambling degenerate, I'm gonna make some money.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
So you got no faith obviously in Richardson, and then
no faith in the in the in the backup Daniel Jones,
the high priced guy they brought in to be the
back My.
Speaker 6 (36:06):
Options are a guy that tapped out of a game,
because he was tired and a guy that couldn't start
for the Giants. This is where my fandom has met
across roads. Right Like man in the past, I'd be
so excited for tonight. Hey, first Colts game. I know
it's preseason garbage, but at least for the first ten minutes,
I'm going to be excited. I think maybe I'm still
(36:28):
a little heartbroken from the Pacers, like the Game seven,
with the injury and the way that it happened hasn't
sat well with me. Yeah, I'm having a hard time
getting over this breakup. But uh man, yeah, I'm just
not feeling this quarterback situation. I think it's the worst
quarterback room in the league. And keep in mind the league.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
Has the Cleveland Browns on it, so you're you have
no faith that that's just gonna click with this dude
this year with all these tools we've heard about Richardson
and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
You have no faith that this is this is the year.
Speaker 6 (36:58):
I don't now.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I he proves me wrong.
Speaker 6 (37:00):
If he proves me wrong, I will come on here
and say, hey, I was wrong, man, that Richardson kid
figured it out. But I follow a lot of sec football.
I'm a falls guy. Richardson could not pass in college.
He's got a cannon for an arm. He'll throw the
deep ball to alec peers and you guys are gonna
love it. But he can't move the chains on third down.
He can't read a defense. He can't make the basic
(37:22):
throws at least he can't as of his entire college
through pro career so far.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
What are we doing this afternoon? What's going on? Man?
Speaker 6 (37:30):
It is Bring the Heat Thursday on the Hammer In
Nigel Show. We've got Tommy larn We've got Rob Kendall. Wow,
myself had a new degenerates next Door sports betting podcast
will drop around one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
All right, good stuff, Thank you. Hammer.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
It is Kendall and Casey on ninety three WIBC
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