Kendall & Casey Hour 3, 10-15-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So what wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Now you're
not going to apply for the IURC board position, you
know what.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
That application asks a lot of questions and then you
have to turn it over to government officials, and quite frankly.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
What do you have to hide?

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I don't have anything to hide, but I'm not going
to offer it up either.

Speaker 4 (00:17):
But what do you think they know enough about me? WHOA, Okay,
I pay them money. That's where the agreement ends.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Let's back this up here for a second.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
So so there are three openings on the iu RC,
which is the Indiana Utility Regulatory Commission Board, which does
a variety of things related utilities, but the one that
affects most of us is they set utility rates or
prove utility increases, rate increases, et cetera. The group's gotten
a lot of attention. Brawn is valuing to remake the
board and there's an application process. Now we found out

(00:49):
through our pal Jim Merrit, who is on this nominating committee.
So the way this works is there's a group of people.
They then nominate names to the governor. The governor decides
whether he wants these names or not. Go back, get
me more whatever, he's not obliged to take the recommendation.
So we found out just in passing through Merit that
it pays like one hundred fifty thousand dollars a year

(01:09):
to be on this board. So I said, well, you
totally he should apply for this because Merret likes you.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
You don't like me, but he likes you.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
He likes you, and he calls you Robert.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
You should totally. Well, I have no chot.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
I think you could slip through the cracks, And I
said you should apply it, and you were like, Okay,
I'm totally gonna apply. I said it'd be great for
our show to go through the process of somebody completing
the allegation yesterday.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
Oh it's oh, that's right. It was the fourteenth, wasn't it.
You screwed this show.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
I did not.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
You made a commitment dour audience and then you didn't
do it.

Speaker 4 (01:40):
I really didn't want the job, actually, but.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Why did you say you would have fought the application
had Kevin do it?

Speaker 4 (01:47):
Really?

Speaker 2 (01:47):
You think Kevin's going to fill out that fifteen page application.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Kevin, do you have anything to hide or are you
at is your photo in a post office somewhere?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
No? I think I'm good.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Are you wanted for felonious activities in any of the
fifth the fifty United States? No, see, you'd have been fine.
He's gonna what were you so worried about revealing?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
I wasn't worried.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
About revealing anything. I'm just not going to offer them
more information than they already have. What but when you know,
you know, if Jim Merrett.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
Would have said, hey, Casey, it'd be great for this,
it's going to get on bronze desk, and he's gonna
go Nope, And yet put it right now the.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
Point of all of it, to waste their time, it'll
be good for our show. But I okay, I'm not
trying to be facetious, like what info did you not
want them to have? Are you wanted in any of
the fifty United States?

Speaker 4 (02:38):
As far as you know?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Are you do? You have a large life sized poster
in the in the poster feel.

Speaker 4 (02:45):
The secrets, Robert?

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (02:46):
Now? Here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
I think what we're really getting down to the bottom
of is how badly you want to do your.

Speaker 4 (02:52):
Own show that you're trying to give me to a
fly for other jobs.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
I see what you're doing now, look, I was, I'm
been your biggest fan in the past couple of days,
Casey backed me having this. You came in. I was like,
you guys were great in the afternoon you.

Speaker 4 (03:07):
You were very nice.

Speaker 3 (03:08):
When did they should put you guys on it?

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yeah, you're like, yeah, her and Jim should do something
some other time, not between nine and noon. I get
what you're doing. No, No, okay, every angle it's always back
to raw.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
So now we have no candidate to back for the
i u RC.

Speaker 4 (03:26):
I thought was an indie reporter gonna fill it.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
He didn't want to give the information out of here.

Speaker 4 (03:30):
It's okay, but they gave him a hard time about it.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I just told him to lie because what they do
it's you're not I don't think are you is it
under penalty of perjury?

Speaker 4 (03:41):
I think there is a box that you have to check.
Like everything I've said here is true.

Speaker 3 (03:44):
Yeah, but this is in the court of law. What
you what if you just said, I mean, what are
they good?

Speaker 4 (03:49):
Did you hear?

Speaker 2 (03:50):
Though? Jim Merritt said that they've had more people apply
than ever before, Like nobody knew about well he told.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
You why because of our show. People found out that
thing pays one hundred and fifty thousand dollars, right.

Speaker 2 (04:00):
And before nobody even knew about it. Wait, what, there's
this these people that set the rate to what.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
As usual, we do all the community good and then
somebody's gonna make a bunch of money.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
Off of us.

Speaker 4 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
So Blackrock still still reportedly close to acquiring AES for
thirty eight billion dollars.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Speaking of utilities, and.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now the governor's aware.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Now you may remember last week if you missed our
program last week, in a very bizarre senior moment, the
governor appeared to have zero idea that Blackrock, which the
state of Indiana has such concerns over Blackrock booted them
out of the pension program, is gobbling up AES, which
is the major utility electric provider in central Indiana and

(04:47):
the city of Indianapolis. And he appeared completely clueless that
was taking place, despite for basically the past week it
had been a high profile there had been high profile
stories in the news about this.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Yeah, when he was on with Hammer and Night, he
made a comment like, Wow, I should come in here
more often so I can get updated on the news.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
I mean like that that was Was that not the
most bizarre thing because there were two things he didn't know.
He had no idea.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
He claimed it had no idea the Vice President was
coming to Indianapolis to meet with both him, which we
know happened and his and the General Assembly. And then
in the same interview he claimed he.

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Didn't know about this Blackrock AES thing that Like, I
want to come back to that for a second.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
That's concerning.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
It's very concerning that the governor appeared to have either
his staff is just not telling him this, which all
those people should be fired, or his memory is so
bad he doesn't remember them telling him.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
I think he was just being a little koy about JD. Vance.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's just waiting for leadership to come to him and say, hey,
we got the votes.

Speaker 4 (05:42):
Call a specialty.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
But what good was saying I didn't know Vance was coming?
What how does that help him with that?

Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yeah, it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
But the AES thing and Blackrock not knowing that, Oh yeah,
that's that's concerning because that is affecting your pocket.

Speaker 3 (05:56):
And it's good to see.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
For the past week he's done absolutely nothing with that
information he learned it.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Because it appears it's still going forward.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Right, Yeah, exactly, and a lot of people are very
concerned about black Rock purchasing AES because then all of
a sudden, you're wondering, are they going to prioritize their
profits over your service? Is it going to lead to
higher rates?

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Yes, yes, yes, I'm answering the questions for you in
real time.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Absolutely. That's why black Rock exists to make money. They
don't give a damn about you or your rates. They
care about the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
So the i u RC's rate hike discussion, it's expected
to happen in twenty twenty six because AES is asking
for higher rates. They say they need it for tree trimming.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
How, being completely.

Speaker 3 (06:45):
Serious, help me understand how huh higher? How?

Speaker 1 (06:48):
I mean they already have the people to trim the trees.
Are they saying if they raise the rates they'll get
more people to trim the trees.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
Nope, they were justifying their request for a rate increase
by because they need tree trimming and system upgrade.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
You know what they sound like. Remember in the scene
in The Blues Brothers where so throughout the movie The
Blue I can think I could spoil her a movie
that's been around for forty five years, right, Carrie Fisher
plays the X of John Belushi, and the sort of
the thread through the movie is she she's trying to
kill him at numerous times and fails. And then at

(07:23):
the end of the movie she tracks them down and
she's got him at gunpoint under the bridge and he
starts giving a list of excuses. It then gets revealed
that he stood her up on their wedding day. That's
why she's trying to kill him, and he does this
list of excuses. Locus a terrible flood. It wasn't my
fault like that. That's what AES seems like now, tree trimming, trill,

(07:44):
the lineman, fault trades.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
We need more infrastructure. Sure it's not them.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
So if they get the rate increase like they're requesting,
it could raise your bill.

Speaker 4 (07:57):
By twenty dollars a month.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
Oh well, typical typical household on my bill, No, not yours.

Speaker 4 (08:02):
You sit in the dark.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Well, I don't have a ES, so it's not my problem.
It's more of a you think, yes, I'm fighting for
you on this one.

Speaker 4 (08:09):
That is a me thing.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Did you see what's going on in Carmel by the way,
Oh no, the mayor suf InCom she has proposed moving
their public meetings to the daytime.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
Whit wait wait wait, so so the meetings the meetings
are in the evening, which would make sense because while
people work during the day. So if you actually wanted
to be transparent, let people at ten you would have
the meetings, which they do while most people aren't working.
But she's saying eh, she's.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
Saying that if they hold the meetings during regular business hours,
it could save the city about two hundred thousand dollars annually.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
Why efficiencies and reduced overtime?

Speaker 3 (08:52):
What over?

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Wait?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Wait?

Speaker 3 (08:53):
Wait wait? Reduced overtime? Who's getting overtime?

Speaker 1 (08:57):
All those people the department has heads and stuff should be
sou read people. They shouldn't need overtime. Who's getting overtime
to run a City of Caramel meeting? You're paying the
boards and commissioned people the same regardless. What is this
overtime as a result of a city of a city
council meeting.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
Maybe they should budget their time knowing that these meetings
in the evening are going to be part of their
hours for the week.

Speaker 3 (09:20):
But again, I will come back and ask the police.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
If you have police at the meeting, that should be
part of regular order. You got the police that are
on their you know, routes, et cetera. Like how crazy
is a Carmel City Council meeting getting that one officer
couldn't probably handle it. I don't I don't remember a
long list of you know, disturbances. Maybe I've maybe I've
missed those. I'll check my ur current subscription and try

(09:47):
to get that information. But like the department heads already paid,
the board and commission people paid, regardless who are the overtime,
it sounds like she don't want to deal with the
smoke and so she's trying to move it to the
least transparent availability possible.

Speaker 2 (10:02):
Well, and that's what the vice president of the city
council says.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
He's opposing the idea.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
He said, it's a threat to public access and transparency.
It's also going to make it harder for a worky
residents to attend. It's going to limit participation.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
She is an insufferable sea hag, isn't she. I mean,
we did all that stuff what a couple weeks ago,
or her sending those emails trying to bully around those
city council members because one guy said some employee got
all dulled up and she had an aneurysm over that,
and now she's trying to make it so people can't
go to the meetings. What a horrible representation you have
there in Carmel.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Her position, the city's position, is that it's part of
a broader effort to be innovative. Oh, sure, reduce costs
service to the taxpayer, let.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Less people participate. That's innovation. Is that what she's doing.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
And by the way, because we know she hears our show,
because they've referenced things you know that we do on
the show, et cetera, she's welcome to come in here.

Speaker 3 (10:53):
I'd love to say this right to her face.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
I would get.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
Great joy out of saying all the because Casel backed
me up on this, I don't ever pull any punches,
just say things that people were standing right in front
of me. I would get great joy to say all
of the things, all of these things right to her
face for thousands of people to hear. So if she'd
like to come in and have this conversation, I would
look forward to that.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
There are some other local governments the whole daytime meetings,
like Noblesville and Westfield, so it's ridiculous. Maybe she's just
trying to model Karmel after those cities.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
There's no reason to have a meeting during the daytime
that things that people are voting on, unless there's some
emergency thing, because the you should want public input and
blah blah blah. You know, every so often, maybe you
have some one off thing where you know, there was
some unforeseen thing we got to take a vote on.
It's very uncommon, but it does. It does happen.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
But like no the meetings in the evening, if people
come to the meetings.

Speaker 4 (11:51):
To participate, Carmel's still evaluating their different options, but allegedly
it's becoming somewhat of a contentious issue, so you might
be hearing more about.

Speaker 3 (12:00):
All right, let's take a break. When we come back.
You're gonna be.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Gone tomorrow and Friday.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
And there's something going on Friday that I wish you
were going to be here for, but you're not, so
I gotta get your input on how it's supposed to
handle this.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Okay, we'll send it up your show. It's kind of
a casey on ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Well, look, Friday's a pretty important day on the show,
and you're just abandoning us to do who knows.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
What, taking some time off. I'm gonna go see my kid.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So is this because they sent the mean email out
saying we can't use all our days in December?

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Hm?

Speaker 4 (12:35):
Pretty much?

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (12:36):
Which are you adhering to that?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Okay?

Speaker 1 (12:38):
So just as our audience like, what is going on here?
So they had sent an email that somebody me.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
They sent it to everybody and it could have just
been addressed to Rob.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Every year, Look, I love coming to work, and so
I get a little squirrely on not taking my days off,
and then I hit December and I'm like, oh, I
got to use these days or I lose them.

Speaker 4 (13:00):
Bank till like thirty days.

Speaker 3 (13:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
So every year, the whole month basically Radiothon is my
swan song, and I'm like, I'll see you all next year, right,
and then for half the month, I'm nowhere to be found,
which I'm basically doing again this year. Because then they
realized because of the way the off days are set
for everybody else, like he can't be off. I've called
their bluff, basically is what I did. Because like this week,

(13:22):
you guys had to do the afternoon show. What do
you want me to be taking these these days off, right,
So they basically realized I pulled a survivor. I out wit,
I out last, I'll play. So I will be leaving
after radioton again this year. I've already clarified that. But
next year, this is the last year, Casey, We're not
tolerating it again. Next year year, we're not going to
put up with this. I just want people to forget

(13:43):
about me for a while.

Speaker 3 (13:43):
That's always my goal. I feel like they missed me
more after I'm gone.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
How could I miss you?

Speaker 1 (13:47):
You don't go away anyway. You foolishly took the bait
and did decide to take some days off in October.
So you're going to be gone Thursday and Friday tomorrow.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
And Friday I will.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
You know your husband's going to be working for Hammer tomorrow,
which means he's getting a vacation from you.

Speaker 4 (14:05):
He is, and we talked about that. See, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
I haven't seen my daughter in two months, and I
need to hug her. I need to kiss her cheek. Sure,
I gotta get that that loves It's a been two months.

Speaker 4 (14:17):
It's been two months.

Speaker 2 (14:18):
Yeah, and Jim has seen her since then he's had enough.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Well, we kind of.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Like staggered our trips to see her. That way she
gets more of us.

Speaker 4 (14:29):
Oh, absolutely, she gets us more often.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Don't you at some point have to just say, look,
you need to move back home. Don't you have to
have that convert I mean, don't know. She has a
nice job in Baltimore and blah blah blah. But look
and blah blah blah.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
You're getting older now and it's a real strain on
you to have.

Speaker 4 (14:43):
To go I see her for the first time. Should
I get a cane and like, like, I'm inferred.

Speaker 3 (14:49):
Look at the damage you've done to your poor mother.

Speaker 4 (14:52):
Don't you love me? Does that work guilt anyway? I know,
if you're trying to have your own life. Yeah, can
we make this about me?

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Well, she made the decision to move, Like, you shouldn't
be accountable to have to go see her.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
She should be coming.

Speaker 4 (15:05):
By No, No, it's my choice. I want to go
see her.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
So when does she come back to see you?

Speaker 2 (15:09):
She'll probably come back over Christmas. When you're gone for
a month, it's radio.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
She's like, is rob out of the building?

Speaker 5 (15:15):
True?

Speaker 4 (15:16):
I can come?

Speaker 1 (15:16):
He gone anyway? Friday since she'll be gone. We do
have a big endeavor on this program. Bo bye, we'll
be here.

Speaker 3 (15:25):
Yeah uh. And I got to kind of.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Get your since you won't be here to be a
part of the interview, I got to kind of get
your how the strategy?

Speaker 3 (15:32):
How do how do we do this? Because this is
a big interview for him.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's a big interview for him for sure running for
secretary of State on the Democrat side, He's.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Got to win people that listen to this radio station
order to it he can win.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
There is a path, we've laid it out.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Always got to do is flip one hundred and twenty
five thousand votes from what Sea Hag got the last time,
and and he wins. So it's not like it's not undoable.
But he's definitely got to convince people listening to this
radio station that he is going to be the better choice.
And that sort of runs through us on Friday. So like,
how do you want me to handle you? Let me
just be a real hard ass, are you Okay?

Speaker 4 (16:08):
So here's here's what I think.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
First of all, no picks, no picks, no pictures with him,
Oh no, because you're not going to go stand over
there by the WIBC.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
No, he's better working than me. I wouldn't do that.
I only take pictures with people that the guests and
aren't as good looking as me.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Okay, I think you need to ask him to bring
some Dairy Queen because apparently queen he's a big fan
of a midnight run to Dairy Queen?

Speaker 3 (16:31):
Did he say that in one of it?

Speaker 6 (16:32):
Now?

Speaker 3 (16:32):
You follow him on the TikTok.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
I do follow him on TikTok?

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Has he returned? How does TikTok work? Is it?

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Like?

Speaker 3 (16:38):
Do you know? Do I know I'm following you?

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Or like whoever is doing his account probably can see
that I'm following him.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Do they follow you back?

Speaker 4 (16:48):
As my question, I haven't looked to see if.

Speaker 3 (16:50):
Is that what it's called on TikTok? For yah?

Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, you follow somebody. I don't believe they've followed me back, which.

Speaker 3 (16:56):
Well then they should. That's an egregio.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
He has four one thousand, one hundred and three followers
on TikTok. Yeah, and his videos have been liked over
fifteen thousand times. We've got some audio of one, but
before we play that, you need to ask him why
he's running?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Why are you running. I'm keeping a mental note here.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
So ask him to bring in some dairy queen, ask
him why he's running.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
I think you do have to ask you bring.

Speaker 3 (17:21):
In that is dairy queen opened that early? I don't
think they're opened that early.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
I mean he could put in his fridge the night before.
Ask him, hey, would you run that? Stick that in
your freezer and then breaking it for me at nine
in the morning.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
I have him bring in like a chicken basket or something.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
Maybe just a gift certificate to the dairy queen.

Speaker 4 (17:37):
Well, that could work that bribery. He clearly has the
money for it. According to the latest report, large four hundred.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Thousand in like one week. But you need to ask
him the hard questions, because.

Speaker 3 (17:48):
What do you want me to ask?

Speaker 4 (17:49):
We need to know one of them, why.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
Are you running? Running?

Speaker 4 (17:53):
And see if he has the chops?

Speaker 3 (17:55):
Because we know that's how you have to ask, do
you have the chops?

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Do you have the chops? Because we know we got
the name, we know he's got the pedigigley.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Why are you running? Do you have the chops?

Speaker 4 (18:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Because why does Indiana need him as the secretary of state?
Now they did He did answer some questions in one
of his tiktoks, that is, and I think these are
going to be some of the questions that you would ask.
So let's see if he keeps the same story.

Speaker 5 (18:22):
Hey, it's bo. I'm here at the Royan Bridge in
Wabash County. I'm gonna take a couple of questions that
I've been getting on the campaign trail. Most pressing issue
Hoosiers are facing, by far, the most pressing issue that
I've been hearing getting around our state.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
Is the cost of living.

Speaker 5 (18:35):
The cost of healthcare is way too high, Utility bills
are through the roof, and the cost of housing is
way too high. To leaders in our state from both
parties need to work together to do everything they can
to bring those costs down. First thing you'll do as
Secretary of State. The first thing I will do as
your Secretary of State is conducting independent Bondit of that
office is spending.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
It's out of control.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
The amount of waste front abuse that has happened in
that office.

Speaker 3 (18:57):
We're going to clean up on day one.

Speaker 5 (18:59):
One new pulse you'd look to see in Indiana. It
is time in Indiana we had a citizen led statewide
ballot referendum. Indiana ranks fiftieth bottom of the country in
voter participation.

Speaker 3 (19:10):
That's a shame.

Speaker 5 (19:11):
Imagine the amount of energy and momentum that we could
build in our state if we let the people decide
the big issues of the day. People would get off
their couch and they'd go to the polling place if
they knew that they had a.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Real say in our government. Favorite sports memory.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Oh jeez, favorite sports memory probably seven Colt super Bowl.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
So I think the only one that he really has
control over, though, is the audit.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Sure, well, right, I mean, let's face it, I mostly
just want him to get in there to be an agitator.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
An audit would do it.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
I mean, look, the Republican this is the reality of
our state and you see it play out every single day.
The Republican Party in the state is a cubal and
they all know what each other are and they all
protect each other. Every person in that state House knows
what Diego Morales is. They know what he's doing. They
know how he's using the office as a twenty four
to seven campaign machine. He's using your money to do that.

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Everybody knows it's not up for debate or discussion. But
because the money that is going to Diego Morales touches
so many of those politicians, they do not have the
courage to take him on and all the shenanigans that
he is pulling. And the only way one you're going
to get this revealed is to get someone from the
other party in there, like I like Dave Shelton, but you'

(20:26):
and I think you would do a fine job of
running that office. I think it'd be very confident. But
you think he's going to go be going there and
be reveal guy? You think he's going to be auditing Now, this.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
Is the guy who said he was against redistricting and
then a week later changed his mind.

Speaker 1 (20:38):
Right, you would have a much better run office and
more confident. I think he's much less shady than Diego.
But you're not going to get the big thing, which
is the reveal, which is to show the people all
the crap the Republicans are pulling. And then once people
see that, then maybe it starts to change the automatic
Republican voting pattern. Though the id C audit kind of

(21:01):
did that too, and I don't know if that's going
to change anything, but it would be way more fun
to have somebody in there who could do that consistently. Well,
we'll see, all right, your guy, so you want why
are you running?

Speaker 3 (21:11):
And and I'll ask her like this, do you have
the chops?

Speaker 4 (21:16):
Well? Is he going to be Indiana's arch manning?

Speaker 3 (21:19):
Are you going to be Indiana's arch manning? Those like that?

Speaker 4 (21:23):
Yeah? Just like that, you forceful? I gus scare him.

Speaker 3 (21:26):
I want the truth? Bo, do you have to chop?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
You can't handle the truth to break? It's Kennelly Casey
on ninety three w IBC.

Speaker 3 (21:38):
What you said we're doing? I wouldn't pay me any attention.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Do you want to talk about this Baraco Bama video
that he put out?

Speaker 3 (21:44):
I love that Barrocco? You remember him? Yeah? Why does
that name sound familiar?

Speaker 4 (21:51):
That guy?

Speaker 3 (21:52):
President? What is Obama doing a video on cass.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Well, it's a proposition. Fifty is a thing in California.
It's about redistrict dying.

Speaker 7 (22:00):
Here we go, California. The whole nation is counting on you.
Democracy is on the ballot November fourth. Republicans want to
steal enough seats in Congress to rig the next election
and wield unchecked power for two more years. The Prop
fifty you can stop Republicans in their tracks. Prop fifty
puts our elections back on a level plane, preserves independent

(22:22):
redistricting over the long term, and lets the people decide
for Turn your ballot today, vote yes on fifty.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Does Obaba have any juice anymore?

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Would people listen to him?

Speaker 1 (22:35):
Well, you know, we played that clip yesterday of him
on that WTF podcast, and then I actually heard I
think it was Tony Kennett last night on his shows
out and about. You know what my daughter did yesterday? No,
she distracted her poor grandmother. She made a mess. I
think she did this deliberately. This is where the little
tyrant thing comes in. The kid like this kid is smart. Yeah,

(22:57):
she distracts her grandmother, makes a mess. Grandma's picking up
the mess, and then she proceeds to find the one
crown that is still hidden in her room, and she
takes it and turns into Picasso all over the walls.
This is like in a minute's worth a time. Oh yeah,
and it's orange right, Oh, it's just it's a disaster.
So I had to go to the store and get
those white oh you know what.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
I'm talking about, magic eraser.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Thank you and that was when I started watching the
John Candy documentary because I was like, Okay, I gotta
clean this thing.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
I thought you were exaggerating earlier, but yeah, drawing on
the wall.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
Oh yeah it was. It was.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
It was a very time because of me. And then
my favorite part is my sweet wife, who I love
so much. She's sitting there the whole time. I'm sweeping,
Like I've told her, I said, man, this house is
just a dumpster fire.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
I gotta get it picked up.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
And she sees me sweeping, and then she sees me
using the like I'm clearly like she knows what I'm doing.
She's right in front of me. And then as I
get done and she can clearly see I have now
cleaned all the walls, she goes, did you need any help?

Speaker 3 (23:58):
Yeah, an hour ago. Thanks.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
She waits till you're almost done.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
Oh you're working on something anyway. I don't even know
why I got off on that. While were we talking
about Obama?

Speaker 4 (24:08):
How did that remind you of your daughter comes in
at the last minute?

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Uh, I think I just wanted to bitch about that.
I don't I think that was I don't even know
exactly why I got off on that, but uh, I'm
glad for all here to help you point quite being
Uh we played this clip. Oh I was, I know
why that's heard Kennett talking about it. He played this,

(24:35):
He was talking about this clip on on the on
the uh, the Tony Kennett cast, And Obama looks so
old in this clip, and he looks so depressed and
like his legs are crossed and his arms are crossed.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
And so my question is, does Obama still does he
used to be He used to be able to bark
and people would would move on command. Does anybody now
do what he says?

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Possibly in California, But I think when he was ushering
Joe Biden off stage at that one rally they had it.

Speaker 4 (25:10):
Wasn't George Clooney there or something.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
I think that's when people saw, really saw that he's
not being fourthright with everything.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Yeah, So I don't look with this. The reality is
everybody screwing their constituents. Texas screwing their constituents, California screwing
their constituents, Missouri screwing their constituents, North Carolina about to
screw their constituents, Indiana maybe screwing their constituents.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
All of these people are rotten.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
However, if we're going to go to who started it,
if we're going to you know, act like we're ten
years old again, Texas started it. California is simply responding to.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
Texas, correct, and they would be a wash because if
Texas picks up five Republican seats in California picks up
five Democrat seats, were even right.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
So, however, the hypocrisy's but on full display. Where when
Schwartzeneor was governor, California forms this election commission by will
of the voters, and their job is to draw these maps,
and by all accounts, everybody thought they operated pretty well
in the state of California. I'm not saying we don't

(26:19):
look at them and go ooh, that's kind of squirrely,
but the people who live there seem pretty okay with
these maps, and they came by. I wish Carl was here,
Carl Tony's producer out on paternity leave, and he could
speak more eloquently to this because he lived in California
for so many years. But now they're like, they're doing
the same thing Indiana's doing.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Well. Yeah, our maps were quote unquote fair.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
We liked them, but now we got to rig them
a little further because well, Texas did something, Well, how
does that benefit anyone in California.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
In California the maps, they have California Citizens Redistricting Commission,
which drew.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
The maps in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
They did it, I believe in twenty thirteen and possibly
in eight as well, and they're not supposed to be
redone until twenty thirty.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Elections should not be partisan exercises in terms of how
the government administers them. The job is to draw the
maps properly, fairly, in a just and right fashion for
the state in which you live, taking out the political ramifications,

(27:22):
and then let the politicians go win the elections based
on their governance. All these states are doing are bailing
out bad governance. All these states are doing is saying
we can't win, whether it's California or what's being proposed
here in Indiana, different parties, same thing, we can't win
based on our governance. So instead we're going to just
rig the thing in our favor so that we don't

(27:43):
get held to account and.

Speaker 3 (27:44):
In fact we get rewarded for the bad governance.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
And if all of these states continue on with the
redistricting like Texas and Missouri, Florida, potentially Ohio here in
Indiana and the Democrat or the blue leaning states do it.
The Democrats could potentially lose up to nineteen seats.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
Yeah, and.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
Is that what you want? My question to you, if
you're driving down the road right now, is what have
the Republicans done for you that you say my life
will be better? They control everything right now. Let's say
they get nineteen seats. They already have control of the government.
They can do anything they want to do right now.
What's going on in Washington will be just as broken

(28:32):
with nineteen more Republicans in the House of Representatives. There's
not one thing that's going to change because Washington itself
is broken, the federal government is broken. Look, this is
not even a shutdown. Is it even a conversation about
the House of Representatives. They passed their budget weeks ago.
It wouldn't matter if there were nineteen more Republicans. Unless
those nineteen Republicans are going to be on some reconnaissance

(28:54):
mission where they're going to kidnap Democrats in the Senate.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
You're still gonna have the same problems.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
So I don't see any sort of justification to rig
our maps further to reward bad Republicans. Now, of course
they're I guess Republicans in good standing because you can
not vote and adhere to the party platform.

Speaker 3 (29:14):
And that's fine.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
But then if you point that out to people and go, hey,
we should probably find somebody who will be more Republican
than the Republican, then you're not a Republican good standing.
But why why would I been over backwards for these people?

Speaker 4 (29:24):
If you vote present, does that keep you in good standing?
It must A duel's going to join us next.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, we're going to get into some more of you know,
what's going on down to two hundred West Washington. What's
the latest scuttle butt on this redistricting? What is abdul
hearing about? What could be next?

Speaker 4 (29:39):
You're listening to Kendall and Casey on ninety three WYBC.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
Well any time at all, and I agree on some things.

Speaker 6 (30:03):
You know, what's best bad news, bad news. But I'll
tell you what in this redistricting it is. It's getting
ridiculous out there. Kenll mc caasey, show m. Rob Casey's here.
He's an author, he's a broadcaster, provocateur of DULA keep
Shabba's owner operator of Indie politics dot org.

Speaker 8 (30:16):
Hello, hello, my friend.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
So we obviously spent a whole bunch of time on
this yesterday today. The polling coming out on redistricting. Two polls,
in fact, coming out yesterday, one from three D Strategic Research,
one from north Star Opinion Research, both of them republican
sort of based polls, not not super left polls, and
both of them showing the same thing, the public overwhelmingly

(30:42):
against redistricting.

Speaker 3 (30:44):
Wow.

Speaker 8 (30:44):
Imagine that someone had to pull to find out common sense,
you know. No, as someone who's pulled before several times,
we got we're gonna be pulling up probably uh December January.
The poll numbers would not surprised me. I have not
heard from anybody with an ounce of common sense that
this is a good idea and this is going to
end well, the Speaker doesn't want it. It's the President

(31:04):
doesn't want it. Most of the rank and file don't
want it. The public definitely doesn't want it, and the
government kind of competition to rock in a hard place.
People are like, hey, I do this to make the
Trump people happy, but the lawmakers don't want it. So
the poland does not surprise me at all.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
So this is what is perplexing to me. And we
got into this little bit with Jim Merritt earlier, we
got into sun State House happenings. You're not in a
single poll anybody's been able to produce to say, look
at how the public supports redistricting. They all sort of
match these numbers in which, in the case of the

(31:41):
Three D research, sixty nine percent of the voters disagreed
with redistricting, twenty one supported. The North Star had opposition
to redistricting at fifty three percent.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
They had a low level of support too.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
And so if no no one can point to anybody
who wants it, there's not a single lawmaker who's run
out going look at this, you know, this trove of
emails and phone calls that I've been able to produce
of my people that are behind it, even the lawmakers
who are super behind it.

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Why do they keep dragging this out?

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Because every day they drag it out, it just gets
worse for them.

Speaker 8 (32:19):
My theory is it's like watching a really bad film
and they're kind of hoping, maybe it'll get better at
this point, and maybe it'll get better at this point,
but at the end day, it's really police Academy six,
it's just it just sucked all the although what you
loved about the first place Academy two and three, all
the cast members are gone.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Yeah, it's like, what the hell am I watching here? Yeah?
So I can't remember you. It was you or Jim
who said this on Stadu's Happenings. But it's right.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
If they were gonna do it, which Braun appears dead
set on doing this, jamming the square peg into the
round hole, should have just done it back in July,
just said, okay, here we go session boom, vote up, down, whatever,
then we're done with it. But by dragging it out,
you keep getting these polls that come out. It shows
they're going against the will of the people. The people
don't want it.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
They would have been way better off if they're doing
it no matter what, just doing it, being done with it.

Speaker 8 (33:07):
And also the other and here's here's the other part
to keep in mind. It's not so much the politics redistricting,
it's the practical applications of redistricting. We've got candidates, we've
got a file, you've got filing deadlines in the first district.
Now am i am I in the second district, Where
where am I? What am I doing here? And and
and as Jim mentioned during State House happenings, it's like mercury.
It doesn't go away. You just basically rearrange the deck

(33:29):
chairs on the Titanic. Okay, let's say we make the
first district more Republican. That means I have to make
the second district less Republican and the fourth district less Republican,
and then that it moves. It's like it's like the
old Tetris game. Yeah, you basically try to put the
square PAGs in round holes. And on top of that,
not only have you messed those lines up, now you've
pissed off everybody because now you've got people going to

(33:49):
come out and drove sure, just to simply express the displeasure.
Because people are retired of politicians anyway, and Republicans are
in charge. Republicans have a super joints and the only
place to go for Republicans actually down.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
Yeah, and that's where.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
It's like, you're willing to do it for this, but
not the things that actually are affecting people's lives.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
And I think people see that.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
I think people say, hey, look, you totally blew it
on property taxes. Everyone hates it. How many times do
Rob Kendall and Jesse Brown socialist on the Indie City
County Council agree on something. How many times do Rob
and the public education system agree on something? Everyone hates this.
You clearly blew it to some extent. They have not
everybody other than Braun in the General Assembly, as many

(34:31):
people in the General symboly have acknowledged they blew it.
But you're not lifting a finger to help fix that.
But you will not stop on this redistricting thing, which
doesn't make anybody's life better, just makes Donald Trump happy.

Speaker 8 (34:42):
And by the way, you can call a special session,
but you get but the governor's not control the agenda.
Lawmakers control. Yeah, they can pretty much do whatever they
want while they're here, or they come in for an hour. Okay,
that's it, we're here. Everybody go home. Or here's another
fun part. They can do it virtually.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
What they don't even show.

Speaker 8 (35:00):
Well, remember during COVID, we had virtual we had virtual
no committee here in the hold on you yards. I
would not be surprised if somebody gets to the bug
in their head. Okay, we'll be here, we'll be here
via zoom. That way, no one has to drive. We
can say the taxpayers money for.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Dea Abduel is our guest. Okay, so if you had
to put money on it. I think you and Merit
disagree on this, but I want to get you both
on the record. You think they will or will not
call a special session? And if they do, will it pass?

Speaker 8 (35:30):
I think people will probably call a special session, but
I uh ah, here's the thing. I here, here you go. Okay,
mister attorney, Okay, here we go. They will call a
special session if they think it can pass.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
I'm asking you, do you think they're going to call
a special session?

Speaker 3 (35:47):
And will it pass?

Speaker 8 (35:48):
If they argue? If they call a special session, ozar
will pass. If they don't, then that means we know
that no votes aren't there.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Do you think they're going to do it or not?
Yes or no? Maybe? Very good? That was That was
a hell of a tank there at Duel. Hell of
a tank. I was going to be back yes And
with that.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Find him Duel and all his all he takes at
indypolitics dot org.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
That is gonna do it for us today. Thank you
so much to Casey.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Great job as always, Kevin and most mortally thank you
to you, the listener. Without you, there is no US
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