Kendall & Casey Hour 3, 9-4-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Out of breath.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
I love it when the news is playing you disappear
down the hallway and then you have to come running
down the hallway to make it back in time.

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Well, I looked at my phone and I saw I
was eleven oh five and I was in our boss,
Matt Hiblin's office, which is on the far end of
the floor.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
And is it weird? Is it bad?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
That in my mind as soon as I the first thing,
I think it is not I'm going to miss the show. Now,
I'm gonna be letting the audience down. It's oh no, what,
Casey will finally have something to hold over my head.

Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's true.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
So I came sprinting back.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
He did.

Speaker 3 (00:33):
I'm very lucky I didn't run into anybody. But the
whole time I was like, I'm not gonna let Casey
have that over me.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
But I did. I did, If it's all right, I
did want to.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
Talk about something that we were Matt Hiblin and I
were talking about in the back because we have these
impromptu conversations.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
And big topics of the day, well kind of today.

Speaker 3 (00:51):
The thing we're spending a ton of time on is
this new you know, announcement from Braun the Governor Mike
Braun about oh he's really getting serious about your utility bills. Now, hey, sure,
you've been getting crushed for the past decade, year after
year after year, while the IURC just rolls over and
plays dead for these utility companies.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
But now, yeah, well.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
He did put out the statements saying that Hoosiers have
been burdened with utility rate increase after increase, and.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
We can't get anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Stop the top, don't you love nothing, says rich elitist,
out of touch.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Old guy, like all the peasants have been burdened.

Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, we're getting crushed, buddy, you've been burdened. Oh,
we can't take it anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:33):
A burden was that I had to stop my conversation
and run back here.

Speaker 1 (01:36):
That's a burden.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
Not being able to keep the lights on, that's not
a burden, mister. I'm worth ninety between thirty six and
ninety six million dollars or whatever the number was. Okay,
so we were one of the major We started the
show by talking about the hypocrisy of the whole thing
in which Braun signs legislation. Now just this past year,

(01:58):
a few months ago, Right, we're not talking the he's
not Scrooge, where he went to bed and saw the
error of his ways and of decades past. Just a
few months ago, he signed legislation that will in all
likelihood dramatically increase utility bills, in which the taxpayers are
now on the hook for R and D, for lack

(02:21):
of a better term, research and development of these utility companies.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Whether it works or not, you're going.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
To pay for it.

Speaker 1 (02:26):
That just happened, and people.

Speaker 3 (02:28):
Were screaming at him not to sign that bill then
because it would raise utility rates. He signed it his
new new and improved IEDC board. Remember he fired all
the people or kicked him out or whatever on the old.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Board, removed them, replace them.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
And what's the first thing they did.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
They approved all these tax incentives for these data centers
that suck massive amounts of energy, energy, water, water electric
from communities, which causes rates to go up and will
someday eliminate the ability in many cases probably to even
get power. And so we started talking about the benefit
or lack thereof of the data centers, and I said, look,

(03:10):
here's the honest assessment that I can come up with.
And nobody's refuted this and if there was some big
thing that these data centers do, you'd think you would
have heard the refute. Right, here's what I know about them.
They're massive buildings, which means yes, technically they will have
a high assessed value. However, for at least the first

(03:33):
ten years, that value is largely deflected based on the
fact that these individual communities are giving them property tax abatements.
Now it's my minder saying they're eligible to come in
for a new round of abatements too. On top of that,
they provide no substantial employment or high paying jobs of
any sort of large scale. I mean it's usually like

(03:55):
thirty to fifty people are going to work in these
data centers. They use massive, as we said, amounts of resources,
your water, your electricity, which is in limited supply, and
most importantly, they get huge, in many cases financial incentives
from us the taxpayer. And other than the value of

(04:20):
that building, I see no benefit to the community because
there aren't jobs.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
It's lifeless. It's not like it's.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
Gonna attract somebody or something else to your area. So
what is the actual benefit other than the value of
that building? And if the property taxes in Indiana are
collected by local municipalities. This is why when Mauthi McGee
over there keeps talking about Lebanon and all the leap district,

(04:50):
how does that benefit me, Mauthi McGee being Matt Gentry,
the mouthy mayor of Lebanon, Like, yeah, for the city
of Lebanon, it's probably gonna be for all the property
taxes you guys will collect. I don't live in Lebanon.
What does that do for me? Why am I subsidizing
the growth of Lebanon? So the same thing here, all
these data centers. Why is my tax money being confiscated

(05:13):
and then given to these data centers who other than
the building and the assessed value of that building, which
it'll take decades for that to pay off and pay
to fruition.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Look, I'm forty years old.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Color me cynical, but I don't care what happens in
thirty years because I might not be here. I've reached
that age, casey or I have to start pondering, am
I even gonna be here for whatever? So you're selling
me something that, oh, thirty years from now, it could
be awesome one other than the value that building? What
do you mean it could be awesome because there's nothing
going on with these things that would be awesome other

(05:46):
than the value that building, which unless I live there,
doesn't help me. And two, even if it is gonna
maybe be awesome in thirty years, don't care because I'm reaching.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
A point where there may have been more yes than
there are tomorrows.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, so what about today? Everybody keeps talking about the
energy and utility costs. I want to focus just briefly
on the water. Anytime you go into chat GPT, for example,
and you have a short conversation maybe one hundred words,
it takes five hundred milliliters or a bottle of water

(06:23):
to cool it. AI systems are very water thirsty, and
that's another thing that we're going to start focusing more on.
We're going to hear more about is the water that
it takes.

Speaker 3 (06:34):
So then we got to the conversation about growth and
one of the things that's happening. I know one community
where this happened. We have talk to people who live
there is there is a proposed data center, and the
residents were against it, and they basically went to the
residence the people who own the land instad we're selling
this land now you've got three choices.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
You can choose high.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Density housing development, in which on hundreds of acres you'll
have thousands of people flood into and this is a
relatively small community. You can have thousands of people flood
into your little downtown.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
You want that.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Or it could be warehouses, in which will be truck
traffic and congestion and damaging of your infrastructure.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
You want that.

Speaker 3 (07:14):
Or we can give you this data center, who, while
gigantic and lifeless, has a relatively small impact on your
community from the standpoint of it doesn't take much other
than from the obviously natural resources, et cetera. But in
terms of disrupting people or the roads or whatever. And
the people were like, well, I guess if those are
three options and the government won't stand up for us,

(07:36):
I guess we'll take the third one because it'll have
the least amount of impact on us in the community.
That's the way they're selling these things now. In some
cases to people, it's the least offensive.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
What's the least one, right, That's a horrible way to live.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
And so then it came back to the conversation about growth,
And this is the question I ask all the time
at the to the men's of members who run warehouse
Burg where I live on the west side, and I
never get an answer. My property taxes have never been higher,
my utility bills, my water and sewer bill, never been higher.
The roads horrible, congestion awful. As a lifelong resident of

(08:14):
this town who who I'm not saying just because of me,
although it's a great selling point that Rob Kendall lives there,
but as a lifelong residence town who, along with many
other people, lived a certain way and kept the town
up a certain way and put into the town a
certain type of thing that made it a place people
wanted to come.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
We were the blueprint, right, We were the workers. We
were the.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
People who invested in the community. What am I getting
out of this?

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Not much?

Speaker 1 (08:38):
No, there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
And so Matt Matt and I are Matt Hiblin or
Boston and I were having this conversation.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
He goes, well, but.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
Growth is a part I said, I get that growth
is a part of any community. It's going to happen,
but there's a way to do it, like I miss
like what the town I've lived in has always been
sustainable in the sense of we've always had grocery stores.
We've always had either a Kmart or a Walmart, or

(09:04):
places where you could go shop. We've always had restaurants,
most of them fast food, but restaurants to go eat.
I've always a drug stores. Even when it was a
small town, it was still a self sustained small town
where you never needed to leave if you didn't want to.
So the growth, the warehouses, the high density housing development,

(09:25):
that hasn't done anything for me. It's not like we've
gotten a plethora of beautiful new restaurants or shops that
I wouldn't have had before.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
What did I get out of this?

Speaker 3 (09:33):
And I think this is the question that people need
to be asking about all the growth, not just the
data centers, but the warehouses, about all of these things.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
What is it getting you?

Speaker 3 (09:44):
If life keeps getting more expensive, if your taxes keep
going up, if your utility bills keep going up, what
is in it for you? And why are you being
punished for being a good citizen who made this place
something that somebody wants to be at?

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Yes? With the data centers, is is this just an
Indiana thing or are they popping up all over the country.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
So somebody sent me an email on this, and I've
been looking into it and I think it's I think
it's very accurate, and you touched on it earlier. The
answer is water, and Indiana has an answer to vast
amounts of water. Water supplies the Gray Lakes right now.
We've heard here in central Indiana it's being sucked up

(10:27):
because we've been so irresponsible with it. But these places,
it's just like anything else. Do You got to think
of the data center as like a living, breathing organism, right,
it's going to go where the nutrients are and in
the state of India, which is why it's ridiculous, And
somebody pointing this out in an email, they're absolutely right. It's
ridiculous that in a state that has the thing they crave,

(10:49):
which is the water, that we're giving them any economic
development incentives because there's only so many places they can
actually go.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Right, they need us more than we need them.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
If the data center or any of this other stuff
came and we've talked about this before, came and said
we're gonna come, and we want to go here, and
we recognize that there will be a burden on you,
but we're not asking for anything. So from the day one.
The moment we set up shop, we start paying our
full freight. That's a different conversation. It's there's still a
lot of red flags, there's still a lot of concerns.

(11:19):
But hey, community X, you have what we need. They're
not choosing these places out of the goodness of their heart.
They're not choosing these places out of Oh we love
Franklin Township, no offense. If you live in Franklin Township,
I'm sure you're a fine person. Or the guy we
had on earlier, we love Monrovia. They're choosing it because
of access to land, which is number one, and resources.

(11:44):
We have what they.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Want, says and placement.

Speaker 3 (11:47):
Why are we giving them anything because eventually they're gonna
have to come here anyway. And these men's of members,
High IQ individuals, wizards of smart that run the IEDCN
and these other places are apparently too blind to see it.
And the conversation with these data centers should be if
you're going to come here, you're going to pay from
day one, and we think you will pay from day

(12:07):
one and until they're willing to pay from day one.
We should never be having a conversation with any of
these people.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
So that's why these data centers won't be popping up
as much in place as like Arizona, for example, because
that's a hot, dry place, so they're obviously going to
use much more water, which they have even less of,
so they're looking for cooler and humid regions. That's right.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So there you go.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
That was a conversation I had during the break and
now I turned it into a fifteen minute segment.

Speaker 1 (12:34):
That's what we do right here.

Speaker 2 (12:35):
Congratulations.

Speaker 3 (12:36):
Hey, we got to talk about calendars when we come back.
But our old pal Indie reporter has done some digging
and he found something super interesting about a story that
we've talked about a lot on this show, and I'd
like to delve into that when we come back.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
It's Kennilly Casey on ninety three WIBC s our old pal.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Indie reporter something and I wanted to ask you.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
I would have steal a phrase from the hammer in
Nigel Show and ask you, is this anything okay? Because
I think this is something, but I'm totally biased, and
I want to get your opinion because you are the
you are the voice of reason and honesty on this program.
And it goes back to an event because One of
the things that we have talked about on this show
at length is the lack of full disclosure and honesty

(13:26):
from our politicians. So much of what's going on in
our state rests in these people's unwillingness to look you
in the eye and tell you the truth, or tell
you a half truth, or tell you some story that
doesn't make any sense. And when you can't have an
honest discussion with somebody about what's going on, how are
you ever going to get good to good public policy? Like,

(13:49):
if you can't trust them, how can you ever engage
in good faith in an get a conversation. And so
this goes back to June when the Lieutenant Governor Micah
beck With was photographed and again Indie Reporter a man
Steven Whitmer of Indie Reporter at Indie Underscore Reporter Underscore.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
He's nearing seven thousand followers.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
You give him a follow He's got a little Patreon
set up there too. He does all this of his
own volition. He's asking for two dollars a month, Casey,
that's what he's asking on Patreon. He uses all his
own gas, does incredible work. He found this photo so
it came out that Micah Beck, with the Lieutenant Governor,
went to Game three of the NBA Finals at Gainbridge
Fieldhouse and he was photographed with the Secretary of State

(14:38):
Diego Morales. Now this was a giant red flag because
he had just come on this radio program and espoused
all sorts of concerns about the magical mystery trip to
India and telling Diego, you got to come clean on this,
and blah blah blah, and then he was apparently so
concerned about it that.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
He piled around at the finals game.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
It's okay, red flag number one, all right, check. But
then our old Paladi reporter started doing some digging and
there were other photos and he figured out that they
were photographed with a guy by the name of Michael Shirfick.
And for people who've been around Central Indiana for a
long time, Michael Shirfick is a was known as a

(15:19):
really bad actor who is best known for going down
for bribery charges in the two thousands related to selling badges.
When he's a part of the Perry Township Constable's office
and there's a lot of things. You put the dude
in my case that reads like a CVS receipt right,
This is not a guy based on his track record
that are any of our politicians should be palaling around with.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
And so.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
We and others, Steven others started asking the question, how
does Micah beck With and Diego Morales end up going
accepting lavish at least Micah because I'm my admitted that
he that he did except a lavish gift from this
guy and ended up at this game. And he couldn't he,

(16:09):
being Micah beck With, couldn't tell a coherent consistent story
on how this happened.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Didn't he say that he met him at some campaign
events before he was in office.

Speaker 3 (16:22):
That's what he tried to say. So this is where
the really the red flags went up. First of all,
guys like Surefick, you know, and just like I find
it very hard to believe you just bump into the
guy a couple of times like he you wanna go
pal around together. But the real thing that concerned me
and many others is there's only two things that could
have happened here. Either the Lieutenant governor because he Mike

(16:45):
had tried to do the me so stupid routine like
me have no idea that this guy do this stuff.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
I had no idea.

Speaker 3 (16:52):
Oh me me so, me me so, me so, me so,
naived all of this?

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Well, didn't he say that? At the game? Michael Scherfik
explained his past to him and that he had changed
his ways.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That was the story.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
The problem with Mike is he's told multiple stories to
multiple people, and he doesn't think that we talked to
many of these people and the stories conflict with each other.
He tells the story that's convenient for whatever room he's in.
So either one of two things happened, and this was
the concern. Either you have the lieutenant governor who has
an office staff of three and a half million dollars
is what we're paying his taxers for his office staff,

(17:30):
and not one person either bothered to ask him who
he went to the game with or google who he
went to the game with, which I find that very
hard to believe, having worked in a statewide office before
for the state auditor, that nobody was like, Hey, you're
getting a pretty lavish gift in the high hundreds of

(17:50):
dollars probably in value to go to that game.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Who you going with? What's his name? Really?

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I've never heard him befo, Why don't we look him
up and see what's going on. It ain't hard defined
we're either led to believe that is what happened. That
you have the number two person in the state of India,
the number two office older in the state of Indiana,
going to a lavish event with some guy and nobody's
looking checking on him. Nobody cares enough about the Lieutenant
governor to check who the people are he's palling around with,

(18:17):
or they knew who it was and he wanted to
go to the game with Diego.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
And this dude, and they were just like, Okay, screw it.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
That seems like a good person for you to go
palle around with, Like, can you think of a third
option here on what it could have been?

Speaker 2 (18:36):
I would think for security purposes alone, they would be
curious exactly.

Speaker 3 (18:42):
And I've worked at a state wide office and I've
helped run the calendar, and I've never seen where when
someone's going to an event with someone, they don't list
who the person is. And look, if you think it's
cool that the two and three in our state and
Micah are running around with the dude who went down

(19:03):
on federal bribery charges and his record on top of that,
reads like a CBS receipt. You can look it up
in my case, or I believe Nuveau had an article
about it once upon a time. That is a that
is a massive concern, especially when the charge was bribery
for the two and three in our state, and then

(19:24):
to not be able to tell a coherent story about it.
So what our old pal Indie reporter did is he
pulled up he sent a public records request in for
the calendar. What did the office know the everybody in
that office, Because the way the calendars work is all
of the all the main people usually can see a calendar.

(19:47):
So at any time, if they get asked, hey, can
so and so come to my event? Can so and
so appear to speak at this thing?

Speaker 1 (19:53):
Can they what? Can have a meeting with the lawmaker?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
They can just instantly pull up the calendar, go okay,
you know October third eleven. Am okay, it looks open.
Let me check. I'll get back to you. Blah blah blah.
Or they say no, it's not gonna work. They're going
so and so and so it's okay, thanks cool. The
so Steven submitted submited a public records request for the
calendar which I for that day? Do you do? You

(20:17):
have that in front of you, Casey, I do? Okay,
can you tell me what it says on that calendar
for that day?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
Well, on the top it says LG. Micah Beck with
and then the day Wednesday, June eleventh, twenty twenty five,
And it looks like at about eight forty five is
when it's placed. For the time slot, it says NBA
Pacers Playoff Game three gamebridge Field House Won twenty five
South Pennsylvania Street, Indianapolis, Indiana, four six two oh four USA,

(20:44):
from eight thirty until eleven thirty pm. It's blocked off.

Speaker 1 (20:48):
What's missing?

Speaker 2 (20:50):
Who is going to be there with?

Speaker 1 (20:52):
Can you say that again? What's missing?

Speaker 2 (20:54):
Who he's going to be there with?

Speaker 3 (20:57):
So that means because it's on the calendar, so somebody
put it on the calendar.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
That means either, as we said, either.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
The three and a half million dollars worth of money
that we're paying for that staff is so uninquisitive that
nobody asked him who it was.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
They care so little about Micah. Then nobody said who
you going with?

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Let's look into this person, which is the most basic
level of responsibility competence if you're one of those main
people in the office, which I don't believe for a
second that happened, or they knew who.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
It was and decided to leave it off of the calendar.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
Bingo.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
And if somebody'd like to tell me a third door
for me to walk through on this, I'd be happy
to hear it.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
My question is was this his personal calendar or was
this his official calendar? Because I believe that they can
merge the two together.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
Well, I mean he got it via public records.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Request, Yeah, so much should have been an e merged version.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
The problem with Mike is he's told so many stories
that did so many people on this that don't that
don't jive up. You don't know what to believe at
this point anymore. Look, you have a guy, and maybe
he's reformed, maybe he's turned to his life around, and
God bless him if he has. But you have a

(22:17):
guy who went down on federal bribery charges, who has
a very long long history in my case if you
look him up, and other things that may not be
there anymore that were written about before that, and he's
pounding around with the number two and three guys in
the state of Indiana. After the Lieutenant Governor just expressed

(22:38):
on our show, great concern about Diego Morales. Everyone should
be concerned about this and the fact that Micah cannot
tell a coherent, consistent story on how he ended up
at that event with these two people.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
That's a giant red flag.

Speaker 3 (22:54):
Great work by the Indie Reporter, by the way, great
work by all the people. Everybody go file follow the
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
By the way, I did see it looks like that
the Lieutenant Governor is back in town.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
Oh, we were told he went to Poland for quite
a while. Is that where he was, Well, that's what
we were told by somebody who from from church said
he was in pol which is fine.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
I'd like to know what he was doing in Poland.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
It's weird he didn't post anything in indeed that's where
he was about what he was doing there because there
was no There was basically a week or more of
no verifiable photos or whatever. So that would be interesting
to know. But Anyway, I just wanted to say great
work on that. And that's the latest on on calendar gate.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
It's Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
So, now that we've defeated the Franklin Central Data Center
and we've seen how easy this.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Was, have we officially defeated it, can.

Speaker 3 (23:55):
We use the same the same procedure to find out
where howg set was during the riots? You see how
easy this was?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Right? Okay, so you've got some key developments here in
Google's Franklin Township data center. So you needed what sixteen counselors?
Is that right? I think it was fifteen, So sixteen
out of the fifteen said no.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
So again people are like, what assume most of you
listen every day, but for those who don't, there is
was a proposed is a proposed data center going in?
And look the reason we're spending all the time on
the data center stuff now because we're we're at the
tipping point.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
If you don't.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Stop them, now, we're going to pay out the backside
on this for generations. You got to stop these things. Now,
you're gonna pay through it with your tax money. You're
gonna pay through it with your utility bills. You're gonna
pay pay for it, with the lack of resources to
water and electric.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Potentially, you got to stop these things. Now.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
This is ground zero right now, and if you haven't
been paying attention to these data centers and what's going on,
you need to wake up and you need to be
aware because they're not going to stop. They're going to
go to the next place. We've seen this before. They
get rejected somewhere, they go somewhere else. They will come
to a community near you. So there was a Google
had proposed a data center in Franklin Township in Indianapolis,

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and the citizens there were outraged, as they should be.
They gathered thousands of signatures, hundreds of people showed up
to the meetings. However, by the way that the the
city government works in Indianapolis, if for lack of a
better term of the Planning Commission approves something, it takes
sixty percent of the city Council to be against it

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in order to defeat it. It's not a majority. You've
got a higher bar to hit. There's twenty five members
of the There's twenty five members of the city council,
which meant I think they had to get to fifteen.
Fourteen had come out, and then we talked about yesterday.
How you know, like the song says, one is the
loneliest number, the last vote is always the heart to get.

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It's usually pretty easy to get one, two, and three.
That's the low hanging fruit on anything. And then and
then it gets harder as the event goes along. And
as of yesterday it appears they got to counselors fifteen
and sixteen.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Yeah, so counselors Ali Brown and also Nick Roberts. They
put out a joint statement opposing the data center, so
sixteen out of fifteen counselors needed to stop it. Now
they just have to formally vote against it on September
twenty second.

Speaker 3 (26:27):
And what is fascinating about this is hog Set appears
to be very in favor of this data Yes, and
it is very rare. Whether he's got nudes on everyone
or what. I don't know that these people, even though
he is a complete dumpster fire and a total train
wreck and it's done a horrible job with the city,
that these counselors will not go against him. So this

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it tells you the level of rage they must be
getting and Alec Willis, who was with us earlier who's
fighting this thing out in Martinsville, said the same thing.
Although it seems like they're getting ignore like it's exhausting.
It's exhausting to continually have to fight these people on everything,
but at least maybe on this one, there's going to

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be a happy ending for the time being.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
So it's being reported that the councilor Michael Paul Hart,
he plans to call the item down for a standalone
vote on September eighth, and then the final decision expected
on September twenty second.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
How I told you about the guy that keeps messaging
me on Facebook? No, I told you about this guy?
All right, I can't remember we talk about so much
A friendly message. No, boy, how do you know it's
not okay? So this guy?

Speaker 3 (27:34):
This is like a couple months ago, there was some
development in Brownsburg that I was against.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
By Logistics Park.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
No, it was on the other side of town from
Logistics Park.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
They were going to build a bunch of homes and
I've been adamantly against this for quite a while, and
like any other citizen in town, I have a right
to an opinion on development in the town. I'm one person.
I don't have any vote, I don't have any say.
I just go to the meetings and speak and post

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on social media. We got this little radio show here
that very few people were told by the politicians.

Speaker 2 (28:10):
Listen to you.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
So I went and I spoke like other people did,
and ultimately the people who do have a vote and
do have a say in a rare occasion, they agreed
with me, and the thing got voted down.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
And this guy keeps I've never met.

Speaker 3 (28:28):
Him before that I recall, I've never I don't ever
had a conversation with him, nothing, And he keeps messaging me.
This has been going on for like two almost two
months now.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
It appeared to have a real name.

Speaker 3 (28:43):
Well I think it's his Yeah, I think it's his
real name, is real count. And he's saying like, I
guess they owned the land that this development was on.
And he keeps demanding me to respond to him about
why I didn't like the development or what I didn't
agree with. It's like it's like obsessive level of messaging,
including the most recent message, Son, do you even read

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your effing messages?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
You pay attention to him?

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Rob And this is like we've reached the I will
not be ignored.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Dan, Right, you're gonnoiling boiling bunny on your stove one
of these days.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
And it's like, I'm under no obligation one to respond
to you. I have a right as a citizen of
the town to have an opinion on development that's gonna
affect me because everything that happens affects all of us, and.

Speaker 1 (29:29):
I don't have a vote.

Speaker 3 (29:31):
I'm not gonna give him the thrill of responding to him,
because I know that would make him happy. So I
know now that I know, by the way, if I
know something's son, if I know something's pissing you off,
you should know this by now.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Take it up with the people who have the vote.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Is not Is this normal behavior to be berating some
citizen because they they spoke at a public meeting even
though they don't have a vote about it, Like, I
still get all the grief I got when I was
an elected person, and I don't get either.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
This works at being an elected.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Person, you can't change anything. Well, he's looking at you
as a public person because of the WIBC platform.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I don't have a vote.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
This is true, But you wished your opinion. So he
wants to argue with you, Well, he wants your attention.

Speaker 3 (30:15):
This is bizarre behavior, and I think we're going to
enter the public shaming portion of things. And so I
just want to get that out there that I have right, Like,
that's not normal to be berating some guy who doesn't
have a vote on anything, but this is our thing
all the time on this People get mad at me
all the time about stuff, but it's like, no one.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Has to now. I guess it's the counseling.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
They technically have to consume me, although they've they've kicked
me out before they have and.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Then they cops to me, go back in. You didn't
do anything wrong.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
They tried to not consume me, and the cops are like,
you didn't do anything wrong, go back in.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
They're like, can we shorten the public statement? But time period?

Speaker 3 (30:51):
We say this about me all the time, unlike the politicians,
no person has to consume me. Well, you can turn
the radio.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
Off unless your name is Casey.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Well you're right, but even you, you can leave it anytime.
You can turn the radio off, and I don't exist,
like right now, please don't. But if you were to
change the channel, some other person's voice would pop on
in your in your speakers, or if you don't follow
me or look at my stuff on Facebook or Twitter,
if you don't exist, if you hit the block button,

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I am nowhere. I don't exist. And yet I get
more grief and more berating and more drama thrown at
me than these politicians who are actually doing the.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Stuff right, who are actually making the laws and creating it.
Why because you're out there. Because you're out there and
he just wants attention from you.

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Okay, anyway, what else do we have? I just wanted
to play that. I didn't know if I'd brought that up,
and I needed to get your advice on. I mean,
I shouldn't respond to him, right, No, that would just
be what he wants. Not yet, because I was several
times I thought about hitting the sin button. I thought, well,
it would make me feel better about what I'm about
to tell this guy.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
It would be giving him what he wants, the.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Same advice that I've given you time and time again
in regards to oh, I don't know, for example, the
lieutenant govenor or the Secretary of State, just let it
go for a minute, because that's what they want. They
want the attention, they crave it. Yeah, So even even
if it's bad publicity.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
It's still that's weird to need attention that bad. I
mean they like people in general, the people who crave
the bad attention, like were you not hugged.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Enough as a small boy? Like what what happened to you?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Where any attention is worth it if as long as
someone's saying my name or whatever, I don't, I don't
understand it.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
Okay, show me on the radio where the host hurt you.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Is that it? You see? Chelsea Clinton is considering a
congressional run. So a representative, Jerry Nadler, he announced that
he's retiring, and he's from New York's twelfth district, and
now there is rumors that she might consider running for
his spot.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Of course, because you know, a life of having a
real job, that's no way for royalty to go go
through living.

Speaker 2 (33:11):
Huh. So her wedding's already been paid for right by
tax payer money. What's she need now? Well?

Speaker 3 (33:18):
I would guess, you know, she'll give some reason if
she does it. But I would guess that now that
the Clintons have nothing to offer foreign governments.

Speaker 2 (33:26):
Mm hmm. We need. She's got to pick up the mantle.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
You remember during the convention. The thing that I stood
out to be when Hillary was running for president was,
you know, they always have these people coming up telling out,
you know, stories about the candidates or whatever, the personal stories.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
Right right, like you're trying to humanize them all.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Cogin about his interactions with Trump or whatever. Do you
recall seeing anyone who was helped by the Clinton Foundation? No,
that alwaystood that whole Convinceentce was like, okay, it's going
to be a line of little orphans that were helped
by the Clinton and Foundation. And I don't recall, at
least on television, seeing a single person get up there
talking about how despite all the millions and millions of

(34:07):
dollars that floated into the Clinton Foundation, about how they
were helped by the Clinton Foundation. Now, I know, like
in the videos and stuff, they mentioned it, but the
eyewitness testimony, at least on television, I don't ever recall
seeing point is, as soon as she lost in that
wild how the money just basically dried up. And I
don't know if they've technically shut the thing down or not,
but for intents and purposes, was basically like shuddered because

(34:28):
of all the money drying up. Well, they're probably i
mean bills obviously, other than the speaker circuit where we
can help himself. And she's not in anything anymore, and
the Democrats don't anything to do with her. The grift
has got to go somewhere. I mean, these people are
always thinking about the next grift.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right, grifter's got a grift. Speaking of money, drawing up
lawmakers on Capitol Hill, they've got less than four weeks
to reach a deal before a government shut down. Again.

Speaker 3 (34:58):
No, no, no, no, no, don't even bring this up to me,
because we'll know it's gonna end. People like Chip Roy
are gonna and sparks and whatever. They're gonna fake bark
and they're gonna and then at the.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
End of the day, okay, go along with.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
Don't even bring this up to me. I'm not interested
in it at all because I know how it's gonna end.
These people they have zero backbone. Nobody ever stands up
for us, nobody ever stands up for what's right. They
just yep, yep, yep, yet bap and then when they
put up or shut up, they shut up and get
in line in votes, so I don't want to hear
anything about it. The government will remain open, spending levels
will stay the same or go up like they always do.

(35:30):
It's always the same thing.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Okay. Speaking of Chip Roy, he's involved in this bill
to ban stock trading by Congress members.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
What is this like their tenth time trying to do
that Restore.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
Trust in Congress Act? It is called what Restore Trust
in Congress?

Speaker 1 (35:47):
It is it will ban individual members.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
Of Congress and their families from trading stock. Oh do
you think Nancy Pelosi's gonna be on board with this
one and their families because that's always her defense. Well,
this is my husband doing yes, yes, yes, yes, this
isn't mem the uh.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
But again, how many times have they put this forward?
And how many times have I always conveniently come up
two or three votes short? And you know the last
time Trump was against it because it would have put
a cap on what him and his family could do.
And it's just like, why is this acceptable behavior when
you go into the Congress. Public service is an honor.

(36:28):
When you go in there, you should say, whatever i've
got now is what I'm walking out with. Every stock
goes up, great if it goes down. Fine, this is
part of the service.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Part.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
The sacrifice should be your You don't get to make
money off being in the government.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
So the average American second guess is nearly half of
their daily decisions. So we're going to talk about deciding
and decisions coming up from ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
There go the.

Speaker 3 (37:01):
Stagg was.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
It says what he was case you have some interesting
data for us.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Yeah, it's about decisions.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Yeah, this makes you feel.

Speaker 3 (37:15):
Really good because I realized that I'm not the only
person who just basically thinks, well, every decision I've ever
made is wrong and I should have done something different.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
Do you second guess a lot of your decisions?

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Well, I got the OCD.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
So even when it's like an A plus decision, I'm like, well,
maybe I could have.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Done a little better.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
You got to overthink it.

Speaker 1 (37:32):
Yeah, it's like my mind is just like a giant
hamster on a wheel. And where than what was a
file cabinet? Well it is, which is fine.

Speaker 3 (37:41):
Inside of the file cabinet, there's a giant hamster that
keeps the files moving at all times. Sure, it's a
it's a it's a wheel powered file cabinet and so
just it's just to continue a rotation of thoughts and
then once I can, I can never actually be satisfied.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
That's the decision.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
The conclusion that I've come to, Casey, is the OCD.
It really prevents me from ever being fully satisfied.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
Okay, well, let's talk about decisions. On average, you will
make fifty decisions a day and nearly one point five
million over your lifetime. Oh wow, and when you're out shopping,
forty one percent of your daily choices. One in eight
people overthink nearly every decision. But the grocery store when

(38:23):
you're out shopping is one of the biggest triggers for people.
The average person spends four minutes deciding on which one
they should choose, and one and four often feel overwhelmed
by their options.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Yeah, you got to go into the grocery store with
just like a plan, and you got to I mean,
you'll save yourself time because if you don't, you can
get totally consumed with everything that's going on. You got
to go in with the plan. Here's what I'm getting.
If option A doesn't exist, will I go with the option?
Be As long as you do that ahead of time,
and then you just got to stick to it.

Speaker 2 (38:56):
I guess if you're really reading labels and figuring out
price points four minutes, that seems reasonable, right. But there
are some items, you know, this is what I'm after.
I'm getting it no matter what the cost is.

Speaker 3 (39:09):
There some so these are pretty like this is kind
of like a Manu shit thing or monotonous, like.

Speaker 1 (39:15):
Like I gotta go to the grocery store. I'm talking
to Like.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
On the big scale, is there some decision that you
look back on your life and you're like, boy, I
really screwed that one up.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
There's plenty of those. Would like to share one. Is
there one thing? Because I think like, uh, like.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
A lot of people, that's where I thought you were
going and I didn't even realize that it was just Hey,
the daily, the daily?

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Do you every choice you've ever made in your exist? Well?

Speaker 2 (39:41):
I think the thing is though, you can't hang on
it because if you do that, you'll just live your
life full of regret and what I should have done, yeah,
rather than moving forward and making change.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
So what give us one?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Come on, Okay, I regret the home that I purchased
here in Indian Well, I thought you were.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
Gonna say I regret taking this job with you.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
No, But I mean at the time I had limited
options because it was during COVID there was only about
five places available within the price range, So I mean
I was kind of stuck. But now that I'm there,
I do regret maybe not expanding out further in the area.

Speaker 3 (40:22):
You know what your problem was, and you didn't know
because you hadn't gotten here yet, and you came very quickly.
You didn't call Markeditle.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
That's true. Markeditle would have never allowed you.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
I didn't know about market, I'm saying, right, yeah, yeah,
do you die. And it's not even the place.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I mean at the time area, Yeah, the sky rise
is very nice.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
It's the area. However, I mean on a typical non
construction month or year, whatever we're experiencing here in Indianapolis,
the drive into work is supposed to be sure, which
was one of the reasons why I chose it, because
that daily commute. I didn't want to have to deal
with that. But now that I'm there and there's construction everywhere,

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the daily commute just keeps getting longer and longer.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
But I think I.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
Would trade that for maybe a little bit more peace
of mind.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Sure, or a yard you know, it is interesting because
you said, what one point five million decisions in your life?

Speaker 2 (41:15):
In your life, yeah, most of them are small decisions.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Well, and this is where I was going with this.
It's fascinating because there's only a handful of them that
actually really end up mattering in the long run. Like
you take that one point five million and you can
narrow it down probably in your life. And I'm just
pulling a number out here, but like ten mega choices
for most people, maybe twenty whatever that actually affect the direction.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Of your life.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Like, Okay, what I do in the grocery store is
largely irrelevant to my daily existence. But then there's the
ones where you go, somebody should have grabbed me and said,
you might want to think twice before we're pulling the
trigger on this one.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Well, I mean you have to think. There's the big ones,
like probably the biggest decision you'll ever make is who
you choose as your partner as your spouse.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yeah, that's a big one.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
But I think you know, you said the grocery store
that doesn't affect your life. It kind of does. Though
with a repetitive bad choice, it's going to affect.

Speaker 3 (42:15):
Your house, like I'm talking about, like, do you take
a job, do you you know, do you.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
You know a career path? What do you do in college?

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Like, I'm those are the things I'm talking about that
like have life altering for you know, potentially the remainder
of your days.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Correct certainly if you don't take any sort.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Of corrective action is a strong word and probably not
the right thing, but like, whatever you decide to do
with those things has potentially decades of sunsequences versus sure,
Hey I bought too many Freedo's this time, you know.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
You know what I'm saying, I shouldn't have gotten something
quite so greasy. Yeah, well, I think there's the there's
the big decisions, and then there's the little decisions. But
at the end of the day, Rob, you can always
change any of them.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
You can, however, without.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Deep you are let's endo the decision and how much
it will cost you to get out of it.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
Well, that's the thing, because you can, like let's say
you got a degree in education, right because I definitely
want to be a teacher, and then you get a
teacher and go, oh.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
I hate children. I don't like this so much.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Yeah, okay, you could theoretically correct that or you can
get a job that you can branch off and use
that education degree for.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
But you can't be a you know, a biologist if
you decide, unless you were a biology teacher. You see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (43:41):
So that is interesting that people do struggle even past
the big choices, they do struggle with like the rank
and file.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Little decisions of your daily life.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Do I go with laser pringles?

Speaker 2 (43:54):
Right? Seven? And ten Americans say they want to be
one hundred percent certain of their decision every time. I
feel like that's a lot of pressure to put on yourself.
How are you ever going to be certain about a
decision until you're in the middle of it.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah, you're never going to, right, I.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Mean, I guess you make the decisions based on the
information you have at the time, and you try and
you know, weigh all your options and make the best
choice for you.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
One of the decisions that I'm making with no regrets
or second guessing whatsoever, is I'm done with this show today.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Oh okay, so you can keep going. Woh so am
I I'm.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Joining you in that decision. Thank you, Rob, Thank you, Kevin,
thank you for listening today. This has been Kennily Casey
on ninety three WIVC