Kendall & Casey Hour 3, 7-28-2025

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, I have long said, Casey, that we have
too many people and too much going on in central Indiana,
and that's why the construction can never seem to catch
up with itself.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Is that why?

Speaker 1 (00:13):
And this data, this is actually interesting. WIBC has the
story over WIBC dot com that across the state of Indiana,
single family building permits fell by thirteen percent in June
compared to May. Now, a couple things at play. Indiana
has very poorly constructed itself the past twenty years. And

(00:34):
I'm not saying it's just Indiana. I think if you
looked at a lot of states with one primary major
metropolitan city, like if you were to take the state
of Texas, obviously they got Houston, They've got Dallas, et cetera.
So I'm taking the you know, the mega states out.
But if you take a state with a single population,

(00:54):
you know, like the commerce center, et cetera, like the
state of Indiana, which would be Indianapolis, you would see this.
But everything has from a from a economic development standpoint,
everything has sort of flowed into these Doughnut counties, Marion County,
and the counties that surrounded Johnson Hendricks Obviously Hamilton et cetera. Hancock,

(01:17):
and as a part of that, every body has come
with it. And so you have seen this. While the
population of Indiana is not necessarily increasing, the disbursement of
the population has consolidated rapidly into a nine or ten
county area primarily, and it's impossible for uh, the infrastructure

(01:40):
to keep them. You can't. You can't even if you
had the money to do it. You can't physically, you
don't have enough workers, you don't have enough resources, et cetera,
to create infrastructure or the lay of the land or
et cetera. Right, and thus why everything is a nightmare
in central Indiana. Everything always seems to be under construction
and never and nothing ever seems to get any better.

Speaker 2 (01:59):
So there was a six percent decrease from June of
last year for building permits, and that decline it aligns
with national trends where the permits and construction starts and
home sales are also down, although we did talk to
Mark Dido last week and he said that home sales
here in Indianapolis are doing better than the national trends.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
So what we're talking about here are new or when
we talk about permits, that is new construction right, not
I'm selling a home or I'm buying a home.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
It's I am chilling to fill the ground up. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
And you know one of the things, let's go back
a couple of weeks ago where we did that story
on Westfield and how they're going to pass or are
passing some sort of ordinance related to if you call
nine one one the nursing homes or whatever, get fined.
You could get fined if it's not you know, Herald's
on his last leg and needs immediate resuscitation or whatever

(02:54):
part of that is. In these communities, not just the
physical infrastructure, but the human infrastructure all so cannot keep up.
I would cut off the growth altogether. I mean, somebody
told me this years ago that and the older I get,
the more true it is. They said, your growth has
to have an opportunity to catch up with itself. So

(03:16):
whatever you do, there's a lag behind that. Right. It's
like inflation. Remember how conveniently when Trump and the Republicans
printed all the money. Oh, there was no inflation, and
then Biden took over. Oh, it's Biden's inflation. No, of
course not. It's anything in government. There's always a lag.
The ramifications of what you do. And in the case

(03:38):
of growth, all of these communities and how these never
ending high density house farms have done such a toll
on the infrastructure and the landscape and the way of
life that I would love nothing more than to see
growth completely choked off for about four or five years
and just let everything catch up to itself.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
Well, it's the same thing like in business. Obviously, if
you're a business owner, you want your company to grow,
but if it grows too fast, it can't keep up
with the orders, and actually it can hurt the business
long term because your customers won't come back.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Then the reality, and I this is going to sound
like some sort of elitist by saying this, and every
community is slightly different, but the reality is, unless someone
is building a six hundred thousand dollars or more home
in your community, they're probably costing you money to be
there when you factor in the resources, the police, the fire,

(04:33):
the water, the sewer, all of the all this stuff
that goes into it. Unless somebody is building in the
modern era, probably a five to six hundred thousand dollars home,
depending on the community, they're costing you money to be there,
and you should fight that housing development because why would
you pay more for somebody else to live in your community.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
So Indiana leads the Midwest and single family housing growth,
ahead of Ohio, Michigan, Illinois, and Kentucky. But something else
that we're leading at. Data shows that homelessness has increased
seven percent in Indy this past year. Wade, what, yeah,
I know, I know you're shocked.

Speaker 1 (05:09):
It's time we say so. It was interesting and I
know this little devetail into this next story about how
and I think this was in large part of the
work that the Indie Reporter account did with those dash
cam videos that he was doing. That homeless camp in
near Fountain Square is shutting down. And this is when
we talk about, you know, the idea of citizen activism,
citizen journalism taking it Now. There's a variety of things.

(05:30):
I know the people in that area had complained and
there were articles written about it, but that light that
had been shined on and the other people, our own
Ethan Hatcher was very involved in shining a light on that.
But it's time for us to say the quiet part
out loud, which we always paint homeless people as that
poor person, right, Oh, that guy just down on his

(05:51):
like ever, somebody whould just help him or help her.
There are people that are that way, and every year
you and I and the WIBC air staff raise hundreds
of thousand dollars to help those people through the Salvation Army.
But in the case of something like Lugur Plaza, which,
by the way, now that the All Star Game is over,
homeless Camp back in full effect out there in Lugur Plaza.

(06:13):
Did we call that, Yeah, we said one week it'll
all be back. That is a choice. There is literally
a Salvation Army a block from Luger Plaza. If those
people wanted help, if they wanted a home, if they
wanted a job, if they wanted skills, if they wanted
to get out of that lifestyle, they could walk one
block and those people would help them. The reality is,
for so many people, homelessness is a choice. It is

(06:37):
a way of life. My dad used to say this
all the time about the people used to deal with
he was a federal law enforcement officer. He said, the
problem with a lot of these people is they're more
comfortable being institutionalized. They're used to the system and the
life that the system provides, and they are just fine.
I revoked these people, I send them back to the

(06:58):
federal prison. They're fine with it because that's where they're comfortable,
that's where they thrive, that's where their life is. It's
the same thing with homelessness. So many of these people
could have a better life. Now. There is drugged out
zombie guy that totally needs a lot of help. There
is homeless people who are of no fault of their
own and could thrive if they got a hand up.

(07:20):
But so many of these people, and for some reason
we're afraid to say this out loud, have made the
choice to do this and we shouldn't tolerate it.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
So the city of Indianapolis is shutting down a homeless
encampment in Fountain Square. That's going to happen on August eleventh,
so lots of notice. The notice came from the Office
of Public Health and Safety. They posted it at the
site stating that the area was going to be permanently
closed to camping and any items left after August eleventh

(07:51):
would be discarded. Encampment is located near Interstate sixty five.
But to your point, and wibc's news guy Ryan, he
went out and he was talking to homeowners near a location,
and at the end of this clip he does talk
to some people who are homeless, and I want you
to pay attention to what the last woman says in

(08:13):
this clip.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Now, I've reached out to property owners here in Indianapolis
on the south side nine oh five Buchanan, nine oh nine,
nine seventeen, all up and down Buchanan. There's at least
two or three four sale signs. One four sale sign
has an asking price of six hundred and sixty five
thousand dollars, and people say they can't sell their home

(08:34):
if there's a homeless encampment.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Drugi's is going on everywhere.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
I feel like you. Some can hide it, some don't.
That doesn't mean that I was out here being homeless
is due to drug use.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
We all have a different story. So I bought the
house Mondernique, my parents.

Speaker 4 (08:48):
My parents are down here of a mom and then
the Mosley Tolings brand my dad over so they keep
lying to him about how.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
He worked for John and final lawsuits. Hey, k Fairlie's
medical problems.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
At the same time, I'm inferding the getting clean.

Speaker 4 (09:03):
That's why I'm homeless.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
Now.

Speaker 3 (09:05):
This woman, her name is Tanya, but they call her
Mama t And she said that she's going to run
for mayor in Indianapolis in twenty twenty eight. She talks
about her journey and what brought her to homelessness here
on Fountain Square.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Because we have a voice. Nobody wants to believe that
we matter. That's what it seems to me anyway. But
we do matter, like we're not stupid. Not everybody's addicted
to drugs. I have raised four kids. I'm a very
intelligent woman. I'm going to school to be a minister
right now.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
Thank you. Because that's always the narrative of is it
some person who is some drug field thing and it
was above their own No, the reality is, and any
person who's been remotely honest to has any expertise on
this whatsoever. Abdul and I used to talk about this
all the time. Abduel did research on this for years,
and he will tell you there are three types of
homeless people and they all have to be treated differently,

(10:01):
and the Mayor's not dealing with any of them. There
are the actual homeless people, like, hey, this person lost
their job, they were in some sort of addiction thing
or something, and if they just had somebody help them,
they could probably recover and go back to living a
normal life. Those people do exist. I'm not denying that.
But then there are people and I lump them into

(10:22):
the same thing, the panhandler and institution people who they
have made it a way of life. I sort of
put them in the same thing. Now, not all homeless
people are panhandlers. They're not all like bothering you are
getting up in your grill. But they are people who
could do better. They have the ability, they have the skills,
they are able bodied, they could they choose not to.
They're more comfortable in the life. And then the third

(10:43):
part of it is the drugged out zombie guide and
they all have to be treated differently, and Joe Hawks
that is failing. The city is failing with every single
one of those groups. Well.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
As we mentioned, homelessness in Indianapolis increased seven percent this
past year. It's the highest number since twenty twenty one,
and it rose twenty four Chronic homelessness rose twenty four
percent year over year. Four hundred and one individuals identified
as chronically homeless.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
And it shouldn't happen when there is And again I
use Luger plaza as the example. If people want to
fight with me about this, there is a Salvation Army
who that is what they do. They help you with
whatever your thing is and their doors are always open.
They do not turn people away. That's why we do
what we do every December to raise money in our

(11:31):
WIBC audience so graciously gives money. If you want to
overcome that, If you want to beat that, there are
tons of resources. A group like helping veterans and families
we've helped raise money for them. Ye like, there are resources,
but you have to want the resources. You have to
want the help, and the help sometimes is hard, and
those people do not want to go through that process.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
Well, and let's make sure that not being accused of
fake news here because the actual statistics and numbers don't lie.
Nationwide homelessness rose eighteen percent last year. Nationwide eighteen percent,
Indianapolis twenty four percent.

Speaker 1 (12:08):
Yeah, all right, what are we doing next?

Speaker 2 (12:10):
It's Kendilly Casey, It's ninety three WYBC. There was a
dating app rob that leaked a bunch of images, images
of who of the people that were on the app?

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Oh oh, these are these are these users of the app,
These are not. This are not like like a file photo.
It's not like a LinkedIn profile photo.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Correct.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Oh, very good.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
So we've got to talk about that coming up. It's
ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (12:36):
I don't know whether this is a big deal or
not because I can't get a strained answer from you,
which is why I should probably act to do some
research for this show instead of just making you do it.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
All. Well, you're asking me what they're pictures of, and
I don't know. I haven't seen the pictures. They're being
identified as photos for account verification.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
Okay, So there's some dating app. It's I've never heard
of this, neither of I. It's called t Tea T right,
Want a cup of tea? Yes, exactly, sweet teas, build
the tea. Give me all the details. Oh, is that
what it is?

Speaker 2 (13:05):
It is and it's very similar to that. Are we
dating the same guye?

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Oh? Which apparently does work because it turned out we remember, yeah,
we laid that out. We had a big thing on
how that worked the other day because somebody I know
popped up on that thing and you told me how
it all worked, and then it turned out I guess
that was legitimate. I don't want to reveal the.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
Presse he was out there dating multiple women.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
So so basically, this is a web an application of
some sort.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
It's an app created to help women safely vet men
they date.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Okay, so these women as part of the because we'd asked, like,
how do you know these people are legit? They're not
trying to ruin some guy's life to blah blah blah,
and so this website does this by some sort of
photo verification.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Well, you have to sign up for it and you
have to be verified, like you know, your account has
to be very before you can participate.

Speaker 4 (13:59):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (14:00):
The tea app, Now this one is different because it's
not the are we dating the same guy? This one
is do you know this guy? And are there red flag?

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Oh it's what I used to do, the six Degrees
of separation.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Yeah, it's only an app form.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Yeah. Yeah. So for those who don't know, my deal
in my twenties was I and this was when Facebook
was still primarily a place where you could go and
have fine, like minded people, whatever that might be. Was
before I would go out with somebody, I'd have to
have talk to six people they knew because if somebody

(14:35):
if there is dirt to be dished somebody if you
talked to you ain't got six friends that are that good.
You might have one that keep your mouth shut, maybe two.
You ain't got six an honor of Kevin Bacon's six
Degrees of separation.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
That's what this is exactly. So you had a million
dollar idea you were sitting on for all these years,
that's right, and somebody took your idea turned it into
an app.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
However, they suffered a data breach and thirteen thousand images,
including selfies or photo IDs used for their account verification.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Okay, we're leaked. Were also so these are not. When
you said this, I was like, well, if you're sending
like a nude photo to a web application, you should
have just always assumed that's going to show up with.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
They're gonna get leaked.

Speaker 1 (15:17):
But you're saying these you don't think these are I don't.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Think they're inappropriate photos. They're photos so that they can
get on the app and participate.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Okay, well, now, like if it's a driver's license or something,
that might be one thing, but it's you're on the
internet anyway, right what people are gonna find you?

Speaker 2 (15:33):
Now, some of the photos that were leaked, nearly sixty
thousand images were from posts or comments or direct messages.
Those were leaked as well. And those pictures of men,
not just the women on the app using it. It
could be any photo that they decided to put up.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
Is there a men website to see if the whams
are sneaks? Because it always seems like the women are
trying to find women are every bit as sneaky as men.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Women are good detectives.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
This thing like this, you know, this nineteen eighties way
or seventies way of viewing dating, where the men are
always the pigs and the women are these Do we
have the article a while.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Ago that said that most psychopaths are women? Yes, majority
of it?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Oh yeah, I just I I fear like for po
We had this before the conversation that Kevin, people like
poor Kevin, who have to make a go of it
in this very just dark, dreary existence. And for the
young people that are coming up these days, and how
nobody meets anybody in person anymore, and it's all on

(16:39):
the tinge or the snapchat or the bumble or the
bee or the whatever.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Well, even when you do it the old fashioned way
like meeting someone at work. Sometimes that doesn't even work
out for you. For example, the CEO of Astronomer. You
remember he's the guy who got cold played.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
That's right, So I'm sure Ryg knows this by now.
But this guy, he was the CEO of this company,
and he was noodling. Is that the words?

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
Is that a word?

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's the right word. Okay, what's the word? You know
what I'm saying, something noodling right where you're you're embracing.
He was grinding, he was holding, he was holding. This
is why you're having problem on the dating apps, Kevin.
You can't even get the verbiage.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
They're saying embracing, and Kevin comes in with grinding, grin.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I think he was. I think he was. They were
they were sharing an embrace with the the HR lady,
and I think they were embracing at other places. And
and they got on the JumboTron and then instead of
playing it cool, they like freaked out. And the guy
Martin and then his name the coldplay guy Martin. Yeah,
he was like, oh, look at those people. They're either
what they say something like they're very shy or they're.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
An affair completely. Now there's the reports that the guy
Andy Brian is possibly going to take legal action against Coldplay,
saying that it was an invasion of privacy and emotional
distress over the kiss Cammons, What legal action would he take?
Invasion of privacy and emotional distress?

Speaker 1 (18:11):
Invasion of privacy. You're at a public concert, and I'm
certain and like this has to still be this way.
You don't get a ticket anymore, like a physical ticket.
But and this is why we need a physical ticket.
Remember it used to say you're subjecting yourself to recordings
or terms of ingresib. Some high price attorney wrote this
out where when you walk in here, we'll put you
on this, we put you on that, blah blah blah.

(18:32):
You're giving up all your inalienable rights by walking into
this room here.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
But it's interesting the way he's trying to turn this
around on Coldplay, saying that they caused him emotional distress,
like they put him in that situation rather than owning
it and being accountable. No, dude, you put yourself in
that position.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
Yeah, I mean you're being a big sneak, which, okay,
that's between you and your wife and is she married?
Did we ever determine if she was married. Yes, she
is married. She is, and that's between her and her husband.
I mean, yeah, but I'm saying like that, But if
you're going to do it in public, right, like, if
you're going to a place where thousands of people are,
I mean, couldn't you just stand next to each other
for a few hours if y'all were going to be there?

(19:12):
This is this is an issue that it's getting harder
and hard and it's probably good thing. It's get hard
to be a sneak in society these days.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Okay, and I know we have to get to news,
but there's one more element to this story. Gwyneth Paltrow,
who is the ex wife of Chris Martin, who is
the lead singer of Coldplay, was signed on by Astronomer,
the CEO's company, to be a temporary spokesperson.

Speaker 5 (19:38):
Thank you for your interest in Astronomer. Hi, I'm Gwyneth Paltrow.
I've been hired on a very temporary basis to speak
on behalf of the three hundred plus employees at Astronomer.
Astronomer has gotten a lot of questions over the last
few days, and they wanted me to answer the most
common ones.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
Okay, so she goes on to explain what the company
is all about, because they're getting all of this attention
and nobody knows even what it is they do. So
is that just a cheeky, clever pr move or was
that really not a good tone for astronomer to use her?

Speaker 1 (20:13):
But okay, so she she is, she's an actress, right, correct?
She is a weirdo too. She has all those weird products.
Am I thinking of the same lady Goop?

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I believe?

Speaker 1 (20:23):
Okay, thank you? And so if I'm an investor in
this company, this is getting.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
Me what more attention extending the life of the But.

Speaker 1 (20:32):
I don't think I want I don't want the attention.
I wanted to go away. I want to do whether
they do data centers or whatever AI? Right, like, don't
they don't? You just want them to get back to
doing the thing. And I don't profess to know how
AI and the data center industry work. But does somebody go, well,
we were on the fence and investing. Gwyneth Paltrow's with them,
will go with those guys? Is that how that works?

(20:53):
I don't know. I'm asking a nativity. Does she have
a big sway in the AI industry.

Speaker 2 (20:57):
No, I don't believe.

Speaker 6 (20:58):
So.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
I think they're just trying to be a little playful.
They're getting all of this attention, people asking what is
this company?

Speaker 1 (21:04):
Oh, I see, and now let's get.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
The ex wife of the lead singer of the band.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
I got you. So they want to keep it going
because it's almost like an earned meteor. As long as
people keep googling them or whatever, some guy with money
will see it and he won't care that the head
honcho was a big, sneaky sneak and the hr lady
was a sneaky sneak and they got to get one fish. Basically,
it was like phishing. We may lose a lot of babyfish,
but if we get one, you know, one big fish

(21:30):
out of this, it'll pay for itself.

Speaker 2 (21:32):
We're good.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
Okay, so you went there for your honeymoon. But there's
a lot of reports coming out of Las Vegas they
are losing visitors. And we'll discuss that and why coming
up from ninety three WIBC.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
What you decide and what are we doing.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
I love how you have Ethan doing your research for you.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
So if you don't know, if you just against Kennlly
Casey Show and Rob that's Casey. We have young mister
Ethan with us today. Not Hatch, No, not Ethan Atcher Ethan.

Speaker 5 (22:06):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I know his family very well. He's a aspiring television
slash radio student here in central Indiana. And I said
to his folks, I said, well, let's bring him in
and he can see what a dreary uh Dickens esque
existence that waits in front of him if he chooses
a career, and hopefully he'll choose something fun that'll pay
a lot of money, like engineering or medicine or do

(22:28):
you feel like.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
You've imparted any sort of wisdom?

Speaker 1 (22:31):
I think so, because he just started doing research for us. Yeah,
do you grab that grab that microphone. This will give
you a thrill. You'll never forget. You found the ticket
what they say on the tickets? Have you missed last segment?
The cold Play or the Astronomer guy. Yeah, the sneak
ceo correct is suing or is going to sue or
he is suing.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Allegedly talking about suing them? Could player emotional distress and
invasion of privacy.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Because the Coldplay guy jokingly said, hey, they're having an
affair or something, which it appears they were. I don't
know what you'd sue him for, And I said, there
has to be. I remember as a kid when he
used to get a physical ticket you go to concert.
There was some highly high expensive attorney language that said
you sign over your rights the moment you walk in here.
You have no right to anything, and we'll film you
or whoever we want to do with it. If you

(23:18):
don't like it, don't come to the concert. And Ethan,
doing his job, found what'd you find? You found the
language on the ticket?

Speaker 4 (23:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (23:25):
And do you want to read?

Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
Read?

Speaker 1 (23:27):
We read what it says, all right.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
So it says when you visit our location or attend
or participate in our event at our location, we may
capture your image, voice, or likeness, including the use of
CCTV cameras, or when we film or photograph you in
a public location.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Okay. If I'm an attorney, I'm just like, we rest
your honors now, counter suit.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
You bought the tickets, you agreed to the terms.

Speaker 1 (23:50):
He also sent me a thing. But he's doing all
sorts of research here that quote, where did you get
this from? JGPT? But they got it from AP news. Okay,
so ap News said, because we did the story about
this t app that had all these women's Nataly's stolen
that quote, it's highly likely that some users shared spicy,
risque or intimate content, especially in BMS. So that's doing

(24:14):
all your work for you. Now, he is your new AI.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
That's Hei.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
That's right, Kevin.

Speaker 2 (24:19):
Lookout man. We got some young buck who's coming.

Speaker 1 (24:21):
Out sixteen and he's just blowing right passage on his
way and a.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Very nice voice, by the way.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Yeah, very good. It sounds very pleasing to be a thriller.
You'll never forget. I was on with Kennel and Kazy.

Speaker 2 (24:31):
Okay, so you went there for your honeymoon. But Las
Vegas tourism now down significantly, oh declients and hotel occupancy,
visitor numbers and overall spending. Hotel occupancy fell to sixty
six point seven.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Percent, so of the total rooms available, basically only two
thirds of them.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
Correct our book. That's not good, No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Is there a reason for this?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Well, because things are expensive right now, Rob, no kidding.
You got a bunch of money, you're going to go
on vacation, You're going to go put it into a
slot machine.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I don't know, you might probably not.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
Yeah, so you've got international travel has declined as well,
it's down thirteen percent, and domestic arrivals dropping six and
a half percent. Airport traffic fell as well. Well.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
It's an interesting that real quick, I mean to catch up.
It isn't it interesting? Because we went in the post
COVID boom because everybody had been locked out of Vegas
for basically a year and a half and there was
just floods of people because they weren't able to go.
And now that inflation is set in and people have
been able to go back and do the thing, it's

(25:41):
almost like whatever g case. It's almost like if you
restrict people from being able to do something.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
All of a sudden, they have to do it right
now that they really.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Need to or want to do it. But once they
can do it, then it's like, Eh, that's not that
big a deal. That's a But you've seen this in
major metropolitan cities across the country where take down Town
Indianapolis for example, when it's all fun and games, some
people enough to come back to work, right, Oh you
work from home and blah blah blah, Oh yeah, look
at what a great boss we have cities. Major metro

(26:09):
Politan cities function based on foot traffic. They the space exists,
the buildings were built based on foot traffic, and they
are rented according to foot traffic. So if you're a
restaurant owner and you're renting a space based on I'm
just pulling out numbers here that in any given day,
sixty thousand people will walk past this establishment, are thirty

(26:32):
thousand or whatever, and now you've got a third of
that or in this case in Vegas, two thirds. You
have to have people there because that's the lifeblood of
the industry, is the renting of the rooms.

Speaker 2 (26:42):
Okay, another thing that is contributing to the fact that
people aren't choosing Las Vegas is you've got all of
these not only the high costs, but the hidden fees.
Do you recall dealing with that hidden resort fees?

Speaker 3 (26:56):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Yeah, that's why every way to go though, right, that's
everywhere you go.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Well, if you're just gonna stay at a Hampton In
in you know, Alabama, on the ocean, you're not paying
a resort fee, no, no, no.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
But also you're not getting a Hampton in on the ocean.
Almost all that ocean line property. If you look at
it in a in an ocean city of any sort
and it's a named property, there's a good chans not always,
but there's a good chance it's off the actual water itself.
It's always some you know, corporate delio. It seems like

(27:29):
where that You're like, it's the Hilton whatever, and it's
you know, it's a mile in from the property it
So I'm not saying that's always the case, but uh,
now I lost my train of thought. It's never happened.
That's crazy. You broke the file cabinet casey, no, no, no,
I got give me a second or to get it back,

(27:50):
to get it back, get it back together. The resort
fees usually when you book it online, you pay it
then so you know it. You don't get hit with
it afterwards, right.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
Right, But they're still saying you're getting nickel and dimed
forever thing, and it's leading to this negative perception of value.
You've got uncertainty in the economy, inflation, and just all
sorts of tensions. You know, because Vegas is a place
for historically international travel, people don't want to deal with
all of this, so they're choosing not to go there.

(28:20):
And a lot of these resorts they're pricing out the
middle group. It's either you can afford it, and it
doesn't matter if you're going to drop ten grand on
one roulette spin or not. But if you're in the
middle to lower side of things, you can't afford to
go anymore.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Well, we're seeing that with dining right Look at the
mid tier restaurants that have closed. Hey, your fast foods
are still doing all right. The tippy top people are
still doing all right. But it's the mid tier restaurants,
the O Charlie type people that have really been struggling
because they're caught in this inflation vortex. You, I'm guaranteeing

(28:58):
you've been to Vegas at some point.

Speaker 6 (29:00):
I have.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
I haven't been in quite a while.

Speaker 1 (29:02):
How much did you lose? What'd you come back? How
much lighter did you come back than what you win?

Speaker 2 (29:06):
Rob, don't be silly. I always walk away a winter.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
What are we doing next? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Okay? So there's this gen Z kid. His mom gave
him something and he's very confused by it. Well something,
it's something that you and I would know how to use,
maybe not the younger generation. Okay, all right, it's kind
of a casey. It's ninety three w ib C.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
Okay, So you have discovered something that young people now
once was a staple of American existence, that young people
have no idea what's going on?

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Well, there's many things, right. You think about all of
the technology and devices that have come and gone, like
the facts machine, dial up, internet, landlines, pagers, TVs with
antennas on them, TVs with dials on them. Did you
have to deal with that? Did you ever get to
get up and actually dial the television?

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I had a dial TV in my room, and so
I had a when I was a kid, I had
a dial TV that my grandma gave me and I
had the antenna on it. The problem I had with
the dial TV so my Nintendo was hooked up to it.
And I've told this story before. My mother would ground me,

(30:34):
would send me to my room, and she denies she
did this now and I don't know if she's just
being nice and as she's getting older, but she would
always this is the way I do. If I did
some of those misbehaved, my mother would send me in
my room and she would say the father things. When
your father gets home, you're in big trouble how my
mom would get too busy and would forget I had
that Nintendo up there. But in order to get the

(30:55):
t you had to get the TV to channel three,
So I would have to turn the television to make
sure she was not within earshot because it would make
that loud sound when you turn the turn the knob.
So I had to be able to get like if
I had it on WTHR, which was thirteen on the antenna,
you had to be able to get the thing over
to three, which would have to be a very strategic
maneuvering of the dials.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Like coughing every time you would turn it.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, I had two. I grew up at a two
story house, so as long as she was downstairs, I
was relatively certain if she was doing something, I'd be
able to do that. But that is my Yes, I
had a knob or whatever television with antenna when I
was a kid in my room.

Speaker 2 (31:35):
Okay, some other things that are no longer as prevalent, Well,
game boy carts is just for one. Phone books, pay phones,
check books. You probably still have a check book, Oh
yeah you do. And this item from this boy back
with this series of stuff I didn't grow up with.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
But my mom did a map.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
She sent me a map of Kansas. I've never used
a map in my life. Oh my gosh, was this
your guys like GPS?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Holy cow?

Speaker 1 (32:10):
How do you even read this thing? Easy to read?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Easy to read by ass How do you drive and
know where you're going?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Look at that and tell me this is not a
different language.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
My SERI says turn left in two miles, and I still.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Miss the turn. I don't even know how I would?

Speaker 6 (32:30):
I would?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
And then what do you do?

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Hold you?

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, put it in the club department.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
What if you're traveling through different states?

Speaker 1 (32:39):
You need more of these? Hold on? Maybe Nope, still
can't read it. I don't even know what it's called.

Speaker 3 (32:47):
Okay, Maybe I don't want.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
To grow up in the eighties or nineties. If anyone
wants a roadway dictionary, you let me know.

Speaker 6 (32:53):
I don't need it anymore.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
So what was the big one?

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Was it?

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Rand McNally. That was like a big atlas that everyone had.
When I first met my wife and went over to
her house, and she lived with her grandparents and her
grandfather who was an over the road trucker for forty years,
we were talking about something and he goes, hang on

(33:16):
a second, I'll show you, and he had one right
on Ran McNally, right on his person. He opens it
up and he starts pointing the law, you know, the
map or whatever. And it was like, boy, you want
to talk about something from a bygone era. This guy
still lives it. I guarantee he's never seen a GPS,
and I guarantee he could get you anywhere you want
to go in this country better than that phone could. Right.

Speaker 2 (33:36):
Absolutely, I loved reading the map and just you know,
staring at it for hours yea, and just you know,
discovering new places. You can't do that as easily on
your phone.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Well, there really was a dark era too, and Indy
reporter just said this in the YouTube Chet He's absolutely right.
It was sort of the dark era between when the
map kind of went out of style and the phone
became a thing, which was you had to print the
directions on map Quest. Yes, the map Quest printed direction
and that while on pay in theory should have been

(34:11):
better because it would tell you into turn if you
missed a turn or there was something shut down. I
mean obviously now you know your your your phone. There
was no rerouting on the map quest and if you
missed something or something was shut down, and then you
were in big trouble because now what are you going
to do? And that was really the darkest of times

(34:31):
for traveling because we didn't you know, people would stop
kind of carrying maps or whatever, but there was no
but the of course, you almost always had to stop
at a gas station or ask somebody, how do I
Here's what I'm trying to do. How do I do this?

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Okay? So that brings up the question. Then you might
recall that the Secretary of State of Indiana, Diego Morales,
printed out.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Wait, wait, get can we queue up the Diego theme music? Kevin?

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (34:55):
Yeah, we should have alerted Kevin, can we que up
the here we go? Ready? Since Diego keep it going?
It's fine. Diego's a big chicken and he's a real
tough guy in government meetings talking about how we're fake
news and don't listen to us and don't tell.

Speaker 2 (35:14):
My story and blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
So he said, we'd love for you to come in
and he said, no, I'm not doing that. He declined
that one story.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
So what a total lack of transparency there, right.

Speaker 1 (35:25):
Yeah, but what what did you? What's he wasting money on?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, he wasted This is past tense already. He spent
uh nearly fifteen thousand dollars on maps with his name
on it. And who is using those?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
My wife's good fucker easing it. That's it. Oh my gosh,
this guy. What an insufferable, rotten, just dirt ball.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
I thought it'd just bring the show full circle for you.
It's how we began the show and it's how we're
ending the show.

Speaker 1 (36:00):
Oh that's very well done by you, Casey.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But we don't. We won't have the opportunity now to
ask him any questions about those maps. And because he's
how successful it was for him, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Let's go out with the new Diego Morales theme song
as we wind up our program today, and indeed is
an applicable time for us to say goodbye.

Speaker 2 (36:25):
Ah yes, thank you, Rob, thank you, Kevin, Hey, thanks
Ethan for coming by, Thank you for listening.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Chicken like Diego, It's Kenne and Casey.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I'm ninety three w IBC