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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Casey.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
There is a new documentary out on Hulu about the
Delphi murders.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I know you have watched it, three part docuseries.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's right by the way. It's Kenell and Casey showing
Rob Casey's here. I have now watched it. I did
in part because we have a fabulous guest with us
who knows that case very well. He is all over
that that documentary and he is the former police superintendent
for the state of Indiana. Doug Carter joins us. Now, Doug, Hello, Hey,
good morning to you. So have you seen the documentary?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I did. I watched it over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Is it weird to watch a documentary on a case
that you basically knew from start to finish? Like I
think if somebody did a documentary or radio show or
our radio program, Like, what is that like to see
a documentary? I'm sure you you just pick things.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Apart the whole time.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, it was quite frankly, it was difficult.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was. It took me back in time almost nine
years ago, at least in February. That's what it will be.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you remember all the stuff well? Or is it
where things jogging your memory?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh? Absolutely, jogging my memory. There was so much to it.
There were just so much From the very beginning, I
captivated little literally captivated the planet. I mean, they were
inquiry from all over the world, so it was it
was quite an experience.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
All right. So I think one of the problems with
the Delphi case is that we didn't get to see
what went on in the courtroom, and so we were
limited to the descriptions of the people who were there
a very select amount of media. Do you think that
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was a major issue And do you think if there
have been cameras in the courtroom people would have felt
differently about the trial?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I do, I do. I look back on that time, though, Robbit,
I think Judge gall was dealing with enormous an enormous
amount of pressure to make sure that that Richard Allen's
rights were protected, that the that the state was doing
the right thing, that the defense was going to do
the right thing, all the while there's an enormous amount
(02:05):
of noise around it, around the entire case. So I understand,
I understood then why she made that decision to maintain
some civility and control of the courtroom. But I think
probably looking back now again Hindsight's twenty twenty that single
camera in the courtroom probably would have told a different story,
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at least to the public.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What do you think, and you know this case as
well as just about anybody, what do you think was
the biggest thing that didn't get relayed to the public
from that trial? What do you think if there had
been cameras in the courtroom that the public didn't see
or didn't get relayed to them by the media, that
would have maybe changed some much great question.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
There was a It seems seemed to be that most
of the people that were reporting about this clickcase had
a singular focus. It wasn't necessarily objective reporting. It was
and I don't know if it was intentional. I think
with some it was, but.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Mean like they had an opinion on what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
They did, they formed an opinion, but they didn't talk
about the other side. That's interesting, it really was. It
was fascinating because I would sit and listen, and then
I would watch the news later they were totally different.
It was totally totally different.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Based Okay, so you're saying based on what was going
on in the courtroom and then the way it was
being presented which that doesn't make sense because you got
a day's worth of testimony and then you got these
news guys that got to do their news hits or
their stories or whatever in you know, at best five
to ten minutes, right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Absolutely, yeah, And I'm not casting blame on them. It
was a very difficult period of time for everybody involved.
I mean many of them were there all night long
to get a seat in the courtroom. Yeah, so there
was it was a magic balance there, and it was
out of balance a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I watched the docuseries and I went through Richard Allen
was guilty, you know, he was innocent. No, he was guilty.
And there was one moment for me this sealed the deal.
And I can tell you what that is. But I
want to know about your opinion the one thing that
you hang your hat on that says, yeah, that's the bullet.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah all right, can you explain the bullet because even
the expert on the docuent series was like, look, this
isn't iron clad stuff. You need multiple people can give
you multiple different opinions on it. You and I have
talked before about this offline. What about the bullets sealed
it for you?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And let's be specific. You're talking about the bullet that
was found.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
At the crime scene. Yes, yes, it's obviously it was
presented in the courtroom. So I'm not talking about anything
I can't. But what I explained to people now is
if you found something in your room in your home
where a crime was committed that belonged to a certain
individual that you didn't know, is it more likely than
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not that that person was in your room? Right? Yeah,
the answer is yes. I would think to most people,
would that quarter be there, why would that dime be there?
Why would that gun be there? Why would that bullet
be there? And it was more likely than not his.
So that was a big deal to me. And again
I've never investigated a crime like this. Yeah, but I
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felt my responsibility was to protect those that were and
let them do their job objectively. And that was a
really really big moment for me.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Did you ever did you ever sway on this?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay? I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
First of all, let's go back because the documentary and
they got three hours, right, so they can't get to everything.
But it's sort of like there's this giant time hop
in the documentary to where now he's just a suspect,
Like we just fast forward through basically years of stuff.
Was he always a suspect? Was he always somebody that
was being looked at? What put him back on a radar?
(05:51):
I don't think that. I think people still are confused
about Well.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think the documentary by Hulu did a really nice
job of explaining how all that happened, because, as you know,
there was contact with Richard Allen early on, and as
simplistic as this is, it was missed. It was just simply.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Missed putting a file and getting a drawer.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And they did and they said their job.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Theirs being Richard Allens, like, well, this guy was here
the whole time, and you know, so what you're basically
saying is, yeah, that was just a mistake. It was
the logical was.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
There's no other I'm not going to spin that into
something that's not. That's just the reality. And I know
we took a lot of heat over this from you Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
People.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now we talk like does he know all the things?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yes, And that's one that's one of the reasons that
I felt like I had to be as involved as
I was, and and and my job was to take
the not that it was I'm not being disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The noise everybody else is jo noise of coming, you know,
of coming and everybody. But I understood it. I understood
your position. I did it. I wish I could have
come on and yeah and calmed it all down, but
I just couldn't do that at the time. I just
couldn't do that. And and it was, it was. It
was an amazing experience.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
There's Doug Carter's I guess, former state police superintendent. We're
talking about the Delphi murders. There's this very interesting new
documentary on Hulu. Is there any has there ever been
any doubt in your mind that this is the guy?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, once he was identified.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Right right right?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Never, You've never waivered, never any not? Is there any
Is there any truth to if the judge had allowed
the because a lot of people feel like they there was.
The rulings were very one sided in favor of the prosecution.
If they'd have allowed the defense to present the odinism stuff.
Do you think the jury's mind would have been changed
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or would have changed more people in the public. Should
the judges said, look, this is such a big case,
let's just err on the side of caution, let you
have everything at your disposal.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well, what Judge Gould did and what I would do
really aren't comparable because I didn't sit in her seat.
I think she did what she thought was right at
the time. I think if if that whole odinism issue
was presented, the outcome would have been to say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You don't think it would have swayed the jury at all.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You said you watched the docu series. What was your
impression of it, because for many people it was the
first time hearing from Richard Allen's wife.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Again, I thought they did a really nice job. I
thought it was I thought it was fair and balanced.
I thought they presented both sides. I found it very
interesting that that Andrew bald When indicated after his first
meeting with Richard Allen that he was innocent. Remember he
said that after the very first meeting when he went outside.
And again I don't hate him for that. I mean,
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I think he tried to do what he tried to do,
and he tried to do it with as much vigor
and passion and empathy and as he could. But we
couldn't jump to those conclusions like that, and we dang
sure didn't jump to those conclusions. So the defense was
able to get information out there in the public that
we were not able to respond to. And again I'm
not complaining about that. I guess I kind of am,
because the one hundred and thirty six page document that
(09:08):
was released early on was was full of mischaracterizations about
the process and about impressions and what's factual and what's not,
and we couldn't respond to that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, they go in a little bit in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
They do, and there's a gag order at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What wester Fell or whatever his name was, you know,
he's all over that that. He's like, well, I don't
get that back now, Like you know, right, my name
is forever linked into this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Everybody that is mentioned was investigated. It was there terabytes
of information. I think they talked about millions of pages
of documents in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah. Was there anything missing from the documentary?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Oh? I think the documentary could have been eight hours
long or maybe ten hours long. But again, they found
a real magic balance there, and I hope people watch it.
I do. I listened to you, to Casey. I listened
to you that day last week, so I kind of
had an idea of what your thought was about the bullet.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, it was exactly what you said. That's what Oh
it was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was people breaking news. You're in, you're in on
the jury, got it right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I said that the day.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Watching the let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Was it was the bullet just like Doug Carter said,
that's what's solidified.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Let's talk about that guy Relford, who's here all the time. Yes,
and I remember Guy Reliford. You might have hearved me
to say this before, but it's really, really, really important.
No one really understands the jury, like the jury. Yeah,
I sat in the jury box the day after or
the day of the guilty here the guilty verdict. They're
the ones that see the courtroom. They see the state,
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they see the defense, they see they they watched Richard
Allen for seventeen days, a totally different perspective than everybody else. Right,
we all have kind of even me, I had a
singular focus, right, and all your listeners did had that
exact focused. So our system of justice says, if that
this would be tried by jury of your peers, yeah,
(11:06):
that happened. So either you agree with our system of
justice or you don't as imperfect as it is.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay, let's take a break. Doug Carter is our guest,
former superintendent of the Indiana State Police. We're talking about
all things Delphi. This new documentary, three part documentary out
on Hulu. We're getting Doug's perspective on the Delphi murder
investigation and trial. It's Kenill Casey Show ninety three WIBCNE.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's Kenel Casey Show on Robin Casey.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Here, our guest is our former stately superintendent Doug Carter.
There is a new documentary out on Hulu, three part
documentary on the Delphi murders. Doug has been kind enough
to come in obviously say, nobody knows this investigation, perhaps
better than Doug Carter. Doug has been kind enough to
give us some of his insights into the investmentation, into
the trial. So let's get back to Richard Allen, the
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convicted murderer. One of the things that people will say
is this guy because the confessions were such a major
part and this guy was basically tortured in prison, he
wasn't himself. Was he treated fairly in prison? Should something
have been done differently? And is there a legitimate case
to say, hey, the guy was clearly going through a
lot of stuff. You can't take a lot of weight
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in what he said in prison.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, remember this the probable cause beyond a reasonable doubt.
It can be built over time. Yeah, it's not one
thing that he said, it's not one event that he talked.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think the ward and I don't remember his name
in the in the in the series, talked about how
he was treated there. I don't think DOC has ever
had an inmate quite like this before, particularly a pre
adjudicated inmate.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And for those who may not know what you just said,
that's for someone who has not been convicted, that's right, Yeah,
that is going to trial, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I had a detective that listened to every single com
voice or every single phone conversation that Richard Allen had
outside of the prison system, every single one, for years.
That was his job. And again, those admissions came over time.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So it wasn't that every you're saying, And that's interesting
you're saying, it wasn't every day that he was some
rambling incoherent madness.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh no, not at all, No, not at all, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think the wife is do you think the wife
is just naive? Do you think I don't know?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Rob?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know Cathy is, she's a very kind person. She's
she has never caused any problem for anybody. Yeah, and
there's some empathy for her. I have empathy for her
because remember I said in twenty nineteen, the killer could
be in this room.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, when you said that, you didn't know it was
him though, right, Gosh no, because people thought that. That
is very and that's of course the famous one of
the most famous parts of this whole investigation is your
your press conference that day. You didn't know it was
him at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Rob, I walked across that bridge a couple of times.
There is no way it was anybody that hadn't been
there before.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now the bridge is totally different. And I was up
there now long ago, and I periodically and then that area.
I just go up there and walk that bridge. But
it's very different now than it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Was creepy to do, like for you to go up
and just wow.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's actually pretty therapeutic again, really, yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm not trying to be like a psychiatrist here, but
tell me about that. People will find that fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, I've I've.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Lost track of the number of times I was up
there over since February of twenty seventeen, and there's there's
a certain place up there that that frankly i'd like
to I like to go up and sit and and
just think about what occurred to those two little girls
that day and how it was literally captivated the world.
And I got to say, there were there were times
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throughout this that eight year period that I was thinking
to myself, I'm going to fail. I'm going to fail
those two little girls in this community and all these
people that have so much there's so much relying on this,
and not just me personally, but I got to watch
people just give their entire lives to something other than themselves,
and that was Abby and Libby, and it was so
amazing to watch. So to walk where they walked is
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very therapeutic to me.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Case, I have two questions I want to make sure
we get before read along those lines.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You've been doing this for quite a long time. Was
this the most pressure you ever felt in your career?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes, Carroll County, Indiana was the most. The most pressure.
The floor fires haunt me to this day and that's
that's that. That's one small community has really really, really
enveloped my career, at least in my own mind.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, two things I want to make sure we get
to it. One is do you believe firmly Alan acted alone?
Have you ever thought there was somebody else involved with him?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, that's it's a good question right now that that
information is not out there that that someone else did.
But as with any other capital crime, any other murder investigation,
they never close. So you know, the the truth will
set you free. I think the truth comes out over
time and we'll see. I hope one data sit down
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with Richard Allen. I know I can't do that right
now because of the appeal, and I don't blame him
for the appeal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You would go meet with him.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I want to go meet with him, I do, but
I can't. I can't even reach out. I know I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Would you ask what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, I have lots of questions I would ask him.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That would be like, like, not that there's anything lighthearted
about any of this, but from a pure consumption by
the public, I mean you would you would to put
that on That would be the most fascinating conversation ever.
Even see you guys sit in a room and talk with.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Each other that one day we can and he didn't
have to say one word to me, and I have
I would have plenty to say to him, And I
think I could be that voice for a lot of
people because I have. I would really like to sit
with him. I would really like to sit with Kathy
and talk about our perspectives in the last you know,
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nearly a decade.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay, And obviously I don't want you to go in
too much detail on this, but I think people will
be fascinating to get your perspective on how this actually occurred,
because it's one guy with two girls, and how you
think in a radio friendly format, you think that he
was able to pull this off?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Evil lives amongst us, Rob and I do. I think
that he do. But I personally think that he had
he was going to do a B.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
C, D and E. But you don't think he was
plotting that out that day when he.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Went plotting something out?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But I'm not sure you think when he went that
day he was It was not a spur of the
moment sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Oh no, no, no, I don't think so I don't
think so.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I don't mean to veer off this. I think
people are gonna find this very interesting, Like because he
doesn't have a criminal history, so you think there's always
just like this thing inside of him and it just
snapped that day.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Do you feel like Kathy was manipulated their entire marriage?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I don't know, because they ever talked to her. I
don't know, but it does. It does seem unusual. They
talked about the blue jacket in the documentary. They talked
about the blue jeans. In the documentary, Richard Allen talked
about the blue blue jacket car jacket he had when
he said that it gave me chills.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
They did that?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Had I assume you had obviously seen all that before.
I mean that, Oh yeah, that was fast. That was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeh.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Where he basically stooge done himself, which is amazing, by
the way, when he went and agreed to talk to
the investigators without an attorney or you guys just like, oh,
I mean, what was your I cannot.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, not really surprised by that, No, not really.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, if you did it, wouldn't you be like,
oh heck, no, I'm getting, you know, the best attorney
known to man, and and you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Know, look at it from the different perspective. I'm gonna
I'm gonna sit somewhere neutral. If I don't want an attorney,
they're gonna assume that I didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
In the So in the mind of the criminal, they
always think they can outsmart the cops. Is that the deal? Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I think that's for general generally that's accurate rule.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, how often does that happen? A little life
advice from state former State Police of verintended Dug Carter.
How many of the criminals out smart the cops?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not very often.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's got to be that element of narcissism. Yeah, that
things they can get away with the evil. But also
he worked.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
At the CVS in downtown Delphi. Yeah, there probably wasn't
a person in Delphi that didn't have some level of
interaction with you. So those are the kinds of things
I'd love to talk with him.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So before I let you go get out of here
with this, because obviously there are people like me who
still have doubts. Soough since I've talked to you, and
and one of the things I appreciate you is how
forthcoming you've been about this. You said, look, we made
the mistakes, We screwed this up. There should have been
cameras in the courtroom. You're not absolute on Oh this
was so easy and so obvious.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But you know, Rob, one of the things that's important.
I think also, you just struck a bit of a
chord with me. It's easy for the defense to talk
about what we did wrong. Yeah, and they did again.
I don't blame Baldwin and Rossie for doing that, but
this was a case of lifetime of a lifetime. How
we manage that kind of information then versus now is
totally different.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Really, Oh absolutely changes because of this.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Oh my gosh, we understood what our deltas are.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So fortunately the FBI in the Orion system, which isn't
available anymore, they were able to bring that to us,
to be able to collate and keep all the information
that we got. Was it perfect, No, But we were
receiving thousands of tips a day for a while. So anyway, Yeah,
you know, those are the kinds of things that they
can talk about them all they want. I'll debate them
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anytime they want to. This is about human beings. This
is not about intention mistakes and doing things intentionally wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So you were in the documentary, but it was news clips.
Did the producers approach you to be on camera?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, they reached out to both Jerry Holman and I
and we did they because they they wanted to restrict
what we could say after the documentary, so I guess
they wanted to own it, and again that's just all
part of it and we so we declined. But they
did a really nice job, even though they didn't weren't
able to interview us like they like like they wanted to.
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But Holman, I mean, Jerry Holman is just the guy's
just a star.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's awesome. Man. Well, you know, I just appreciate you
being with us today. Obviously, this is a case that
changed the state. It shouldn't be forgotten how it and
I thought the documented a good job of capturing how
those families were impacted. I think they sometimes get lost
in this when there's media covers that there's these families
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that lost these two little girls. And I just appreciate
you coming in and shedding some light on this because
it will always captivate the public. You know, fifty years
from now, people will still be talking about the Delphi case.
And I think that's why it's great to get someone
like you. The record will now be preserved in interviews
like this on things that the public maybe didn't see
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or know about.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Those that are listening. I also that Florifire is a
really big deal, and that's still unfinished. Yeah, so even
while I'm not still there, those detectives are. And if
you know some say something.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Please all right, it is Kendery Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Should we talk about what a complete bussy brawn is
for a minute? Noodling. I want to use another word,
but I don't think I'm allowed to say it. Okay, hey,
but before I do that, real quick. Thanks to Doug
Carter for coming in.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That was fascinating. If you missed the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
First part of the hour, Doug Carter, former State Police superintendent,
came on with us, talked about all things DELFI.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And there's of.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Course this new Hulu documentary out and he's not interviewed
in it, and I thought it was interesting. He said
it wasn't avoiding anybody. He didn't want to be essentially
bound with silence. Correct, because I guess there's.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Rules diticipate in it, then he can't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And they couldn't have come on with people like us,
and so that that made a lot of sense. Yeah,
but he there was no question off limits. And look,
that's what you should expect from your public servants. There'll
be some people that'll be mad about what he said. Absolutely,
I'm still not convinced the guy did it. I still,
as a juror, would have doubt doubt he filled in
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some holes for me. A major issue for me is
a lack of motive and criminal history. But again, and
I think he admitted this the judge. Now he didn't
say it like this, but the judge made a colossal
mistake not letting the public watch the case.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Right, not putting a camera in there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I thought it was really interesting when you asked him
about motive and he answered saying, you know, evil, and
it wasn't like it was my impression. He was saying
that something was going to happen that day.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But he wasn't planning on that specifically. Yeah, I was
something bad. I was going to take plook.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I know you don't have to I know you don't
have to prove motive, you know, to be convicted. And again,
those jurors saw a whole bunch of stuff we didn't see.
The judge made a monumental mistake. I think the judge
made two mistakes. The first mistake was not allowing the
public to view the proceedings, and the second was all
of those rulings against Richard Allen. I think they should
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have let him put whatever defense out there that he wanted,
and then you take away because those are the two
things you hear, right, like the lack of transparency or
the perceived lack of transparency, and all the rulings that
went against Richard Allen. Obviously, like I said, I'm a
no legal expert, but I think that. But and the
my point on this is that people will not like
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what he said, and that's okay. But he came on
and he answered questions, and no point was he like there,
I won't talk about this, or I won't talk about that.
He answered the questions we could have done, and he
said this when we got done with the interview.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Said we could have gone for hours.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and maybe at some point we'll have him, we'll
have him come back, but I don't I've talked to
him about this multiple times now obviously on airon then
we've chated a little bit off air about it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But I don't think there's any doubt in his mind.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He thinks that allan day he got the right guy. Yeah,
and people, reasonable people will disagree on that. And I'm
still not sure where because he asked me when we
got done so like, you know, what what is your
what would your hang up be? And I just think
the biggest one for me is a lack of motive
and criminal history. I would have a very hard time
believing that a guy in his fifties just woke up
(25:40):
one day and was like, I'm gonna go kill two
little girls. I don't know, but anyway, Okay, let's talk
about so thanks to Doug Carter. It was a great
interview that's done a wide variety of stuff. Go back
and listen to it after we get done with the
program today if you missed it. Okay, Braun is ridiculous, right,
I mean you've seen the quote.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Now, well, I don't know what that one it is
because is he noncommittal or is he seriously considering?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So we need a.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Capital Chronicle as an article about the governor of the
state of Indiana Mike Braun and he's gonna be on
with Hammer Nigel this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
They'll talk about it that and.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They're going to get into the AI porn allegations and
all that. All that stuff. I think this afternoon is
their intention. But he got so. We had Mitch Gore
on Democrat representative earlier today talking about this, and look,
of course they don't want it because it's going to
go against them. But and like people are like, I
can't believe you'd have a Democrat Why not? Why wouldn't
(26:35):
we have Democrats on? They are leaders, they are they
have votes, they have, you.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Know, ability to sway colleagues.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
They're going to vote on this thing if it happens,
the same as everybody else is.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I always tell people just because someone.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Can be right, but you can also be skeptical of
what they would do in that position at the same time.
And I think that's sort of like with the mitchcore.
I think if there were a Democrat president that we're
pushing hard for redistricting and Indiana or a Democrat state,
I think the Democrats would be hard pressed to stand
back against it, right. I don't kid myself with that,
(27:08):
but he made a lot of good points, and this
is they're not even in the state House selling some
made up thing like Texas is.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
At least Texas is.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Like, well, we've had all these people move in, you know,
with these districts are all different, the makeups are different. Now,
which if you wanted to just extend logic, you could
do that. That's what the census is for every ten years.
But Indiana doesn't even have that. And he said, they're
not even they're not even lying, they're not even fibbing,
they're not even saying no, yeah, And shouldn't our society
(27:39):
to be better than we just want to score cheap
political points, Because what have the Republicans done for you anyway?
Like what if they have the House, they have the Senate,
they have the presidency, what'd you get? You got some
bill that's going to add three and a half to
four now maybe four and a half a trillion on
top of the fifteen trillion or already going to like
(28:00):
what are you getting? What is different? What is changing?
The Republicans had the House of Representatives the two years
with Biden, did any Biden spending stuff get the kaibosh?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, of course not so we're all hung up on
manipulating ourselves into vacating our principles what we know is right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, you know deep down what this is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's a power grab, of course it is. They can't
win the election, so they're going to rig the thing
in their favor.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
They can't do it based on their actual governance, so
let's do it this way. This is the interesting thing
about Governor Brown's quote in the article.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He said, it'll be interesting to see what.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Texas does because they don't have a super majority. Why
does it matter what Texas is doing to determine what
Indiana's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Bingo, if it's the right thing to do. States do
different things all the time, correct do it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
He wants to see how much.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Of a mess or how easy it is, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
If that gets tripped up, it's probably going to impact
what happens elsewhere because the rest of it doesn't add
up to much. So you're admitting this is just a
power play to give yourself more power in Congress.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's not about right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's not about making the districts more fair, it's not
making about making voting better.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It's not about any of that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He's freely admitting now without saying the exact words, this
is all just about we've pulled the mask back. At
least they're not even lying to us anymore improvement. At
least they're not even lying. And it's we as people
have to be better than this, You as we as
(29:43):
a society, you as an individual listening to us right now,
you have to put your foot down and say the
parties don't matter anyway. They all screw us. They don't
fight for us, they don't do things for us. What
are you cheerleading for? What are you so excited? Let's
say the Republicans get three more seats in the House.
Let's say they win three collectively out of this and
(30:04):
it's the status quo.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Are you fired up about that?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Do you think we should be spending all of this
time in political capital? And don't you have to stand
up for yourself? Because Braun on the signature issue that
was most important to most of you, property taxes, when
he had the opportunity to call the special session and
fight for you, he said, uh, uh, doesn't that enrage you?
Haven't you seen enough from these people to know what rotten,
(30:30):
disgusting individuals they are he's really considering this. He's all
on board. If it'll work in Texas. If he thinks
it'll fly through, he's gonna do it. But he wouldn't
do it for you with the property taxes.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He said that he's not feeling pressured financially by the
Trump administration to get this done. So jd Vance came
here for a breaded portendo loin, I mean, is that
why he came?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I just I mean, because we don't know what they
talked about. It's the same.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
And I've been I've struggled with this for a long time.
I just didn't realize it until recently. But I've been
really struggling with this casey because of a variety of reasons.
Things that have happened nationally, obviously, but obviously some things
that are happening here in our own backyard, and how
people have behaved and our behaving with the way things
(31:23):
ought to be, and how great they could be if
people would behave the way they ought to behave and
govern the way they ought to govern, versus the stone
cold reality of how that's never going to happen. The
system corrupts just about everybody who goes into it. People
even maybe with the best of intentions can't or won't
stand up for what's right and what's right is you
(31:45):
and what's best for you, and then you get stuff
like this, and it just seems like it's a daily,
very harsh reminder of just how deep, how just deep
in terms of the the cowardice from these elected people
to do what's right is and you're not digging out
(32:05):
of that any anytime sooner, probably ever in our lifetime.
And it's just it's a very sombering thing.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, And on that note, let's take a break when
we come back, and we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Tariffs and how they're going to be affecting you. You're
going to lift us up.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
We could talk about the sororities dancing on social media.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's Kennily Casey on ninety three w ib C.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
All right, you got to do something uplifting. This is
the last segment of the show today. We're counting on
you because you know I won't do it.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, So do you want to talk about the price
of things getting expensive?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I said, it's uplifting. It's a final segment.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Okay, So we're not going to talk about looks. Do
it with a smile on our face. You're going to
see higher prices on toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You're literally doing it. Chi catch up? Wait, what's going up?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Companies are going to be passing tariff costs on to you.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ooh thought that I thought prices were going down.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
So Procter and Gamble they have announced price hikes on
twenty five percent of their products starting next month. That
includes Sharman, Bounty, Pampers, Loves Tied Gain Puffs, Jill so.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
This next month. So you better hurry up. If you
buy now, you could buy now, buy in bulk. Now,
what's the what's the price increase?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Are they saying the twenty five percent increase on some
of their products?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Who we're not talking about like five cents? Then? Correct?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Now this is where the public and see this is
the game, right, This is the the con This is
why Trump is so mad about Howell refusing to reduce
the interest rates. He's trying to get you to think
that the economy is fine by pumping a bunch of
money into the economy to hide.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Does this sound familiar?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Casey cut the interest rates to pump money into the
to hide the actions of the government. Huh, where did
we where did we hear that before? Where did that come?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What? Uh? Oh, it was called COVID. It's exactly what
they did during COVID. How'd that work out for your
buying prowess?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Casey?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, in the long run, not so high exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
And so that's what and this is why people this
way should never be anybody's team. She never have any
favorites because Trump is going to screw you big time,
and that's going to be the reality of the tariffs.
He doesn't there's no the realities. We live in a
world economy. The ship is sailed. This is not Ross
Paro nineteen ninety two anymore. Right, that was the that
(34:39):
ship of sale. Now, can you make our can you
make our buying power greater? Can you make us stronger?
Can you get things that you want? From a political
perspective with teriffs? Yes, which is what they should have
been about the idea of We've always said, the idea
of stopping fentanyl coming into the country, bingo great. Use
those terar all day, every day to make Canada and
(35:02):
Mexico absolutely try to or not try but do crack
down on illegal drugs that are killing people left and right,
including young young kids, get them out of get them
out of this country. There's ain't nobody has any problem
with that. But when you're just everybody this country, that country,
that like, of course, the prices are going to go up,
(35:23):
and then for them to act like we're going to
give you again. Does this sound familiar. We're going to
send some money into your bank account. It's money you're
going to pay back in terms of the price increase.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Hershey is another one that is expected to raise prices.
One of the reasons for Hershey is high cocoa costs,
but also the tariffs. Some of the brands that are
going to be infected affected, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They're going to be infected. You are a spot on
case effected.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, include Reces and also kit Kat. Kraft.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Hines says that they will be raising their prices more
than they had originally planned, and that will include Heinz Care, Kraft,
mac and.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Cheese, also jell O.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
They say that the price increase will be teriff related
cost pressure, but also slumping sales.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
We were not selling as much, so let's increase the price.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I guess to produce the same amount of stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And I look again, I maintain that people are buying
less because everything costs more.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
They are.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I mean, there's no doubt when you go to the
grocery store, you absolutely tell me you don't.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Let's see, COVID was six years ago.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Now tell me that when you venture around the grocery
store you don't do it with the different strategy that
they did six years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yes, you obviously have a more discerning eye and you're
probably choosing something less expensive, or you're doing much more
comparison on how many ounces is in this bottle versus
this bottle, So what's the price difference here?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, and that is this is all the fault of
the government. There was zero reason for COVID to ever
shut down society. Look, was COVID real? Of course, did
people get sick, yes, did they pass away, yes, tragically,
But ninety percent of the populace could have maintained a
pretty regular lifestyle. Would they have probably gotten COVID at
(37:13):
some point? Sure, most people did. Anyway, there's not one
person walking around and goes, well, I didn't get COVID
because because I know a lot of people who mass
they social distance. They rarely went out they still ended
up getting the thing. Hey, a virus did the virus stuff.
That's how it works. You could have kept ninety percent
of the population operational and going to work and doing
their stuff, and we would have got through the thing
(37:34):
quicker anyway, and it would have kept this insanity at bay.
But it sort of makes you think case that it
really wasn't about keeping you from getting COVID, that it
really was about governmental control over every facet of your existence.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
And the question is will the prices drop again? Well, no, yeah,
experts are saying, yeah, no, you don't usually see price
deflation once a group has gotten used to paying a
higher price.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's very much like your government. And once it's there,
it's going to stay there.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And here's what you're going to risk. And it will
take a while, it won't be overnight, and it may
take twenty or thirty years for this to play out
in full. But people are getting so sick of the
system as it operates, and you're seeing this like with
the price of bitcoin, they are going to start seeing
all they society takes buy in for society to function properly.
(38:29):
If everybody opted out of society, the society of society
couldn't operate. It's a voluntary compliance, right, and you're going
to start seeing more and more people take their voluntary
compliance and tell the government where to shove it. And
they're going to start operating outside of traditional means. I
mean like the dollar right, and that is you're going
(38:51):
to see a seismic shift in how government and society
operates over the next twenty or thirty years because people
won't be able to afford living. That's where people draw
the line when they can't afford living.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Let's talk about the latest trend.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
You've probably seen lots of different videos beautiful girls dancing.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
A little never in any.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Part count.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Bet up for sure.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
So sorority recruitment campuses all over the country. Yes, and
the rush talk is flooding social media and it's the
sorority girls dancing and synchronized dances.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Sometimes they have.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
The outfit of the day posts or even costumes like
grease or Barbie or top gun.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's a great marketing tool. You think, well, I mean,
if you're thinking about going to a college, I'm a
married person, so we'll bring Kevin on this one. If
you're thinking about attending a college, well, you can get
this fine degree, or you can look at this for
the next four years.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
keV, what are you going to prioritize.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I could get this degree that probably won't take me
anywhere because society falling apart, or I can look at
this for the next four years.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, I think the scenery would be nice.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Casey, Every decision I ever made in my life is
about what I could look at for the longest amount
of time. This would totally sell me if I were
a young man pondering what sort of higher learning institution
I would be continuing my studies at.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
So a lot of people are saying this is because
of the Sidney Sweeney ad and I don't know if
it has much to do with that, just because some
of the costumes they've chosen denim or you know, there's
different themes throughout them. But I think more than anything,
this is this generation saying we are glad that were
(40:39):
past COVID. They're not masked up, they're healthy, they're dancing,
they're having fun, and I am glad to see that
versus what we had been seeing.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh No, absolutely, people have permission in society now to
be normal again. And what's normal is dudes like looking
at hot chicks having fun, right like, remember the Girls
Gone Wild videos?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Why were they so popular?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right by the way, No, no, no, Kenneth asked Rob,
are you now pro crypto?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I think it's as ridiculous as I did before. I'm
simply saying that people are going to keep opting out
of societal norms, and I think it's going to set
up a calamity for this country when you don't have
a collective buy and in society on how it works.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Thank you Rob, Thank you Kevin, Thank you for listening today.
This has been Kendall and Casey on ninety three wib
EC
Casey.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
There is a new documentary out on Hulu about the
Delphi murders.
Speaker 1 (00:06):
I know you have watched it, three part docuseries.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
That's right by the way. It's Kenell and Casey showing
Rob Casey's here. I have now watched it. I did
in part because we have a fabulous guest with us
who knows that case very well. He is all over
that that documentary and he is the former police superintendent
for the state of Indiana. Doug Carter joins us. Now, Doug, Hello, Hey,
good morning to you. So have you seen the documentary?
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I did. I watched it over the weekend.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Is it weird to watch a documentary on a case
that you basically knew from start to finish? Like I
think if somebody did a documentary or radio show or
our radio program, Like, what is that like to see
a documentary? I'm sure you you just pick things.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Apart the whole time.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Well, it was quite frankly, it was difficult.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It was. It took me back in time almost nine
years ago, at least in February. That's what it will be.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Do you remember all the stuff well? Or is it
where things jogging your memory?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh? Absolutely, jogging my memory. There was so much to it.
There were just so much From the very beginning, I
captivated little literally captivated the planet. I mean, they were
inquiry from all over the world, so it was it
was quite an experience.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
All right. So I think one of the problems with
the Delphi case is that we didn't get to see
what went on in the courtroom, and so we were
limited to the descriptions of the people who were there
a very select amount of media. Do you think that
(01:39):
was a major issue And do you think if there
have been cameras in the courtroom people would have felt
differently about the trial?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
I do, I do. I look back on that time, though, Robbit,
I think Judge gall was dealing with enormous an enormous
amount of pressure to make sure that that Richard Allen's
rights were protected, that the that the state was doing
the right thing, that the defense was going to do
the right thing, all the while there's an enormous amount
(02:05):
of noise around it, around the entire case. So I understand,
I understood then why she made that decision to maintain
some civility and control of the courtroom. But I think
probably looking back now again Hindsight's twenty twenty that single
camera in the courtroom probably would have told a different story,
(02:26):
at least to the public.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
What do you think, and you know this case as
well as just about anybody, what do you think was
the biggest thing that didn't get relayed to the public
from that trial? What do you think if there had
been cameras in the courtroom that the public didn't see
or didn't get relayed to them by the media, that
would have maybe changed some much great question.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
There was a It seems seemed to be that most
of the people that were reporting about this clickcase had
a singular focus. It wasn't necessarily objective reporting. It was
and I don't know if it was intentional. I think
with some it was, but.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Mean like they had an opinion on what happened.
Speaker 3 (03:05):
They did, they formed an opinion, but they didn't talk
about the other side. That's interesting, it really was. It
was fascinating because I would sit and listen, and then
I would watch the news later they were totally different.
It was totally totally different.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Based Okay, so you're saying based on what was going
on in the courtroom and then the way it was
being presented which that doesn't make sense because you got
a day's worth of testimony and then you got these
news guys that got to do their news hits or
their stories or whatever in you know, at best five
to ten minutes, right.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Absolutely, yeah, And I'm not casting blame on them. It
was a very difficult period of time for everybody involved.
I mean many of them were there all night long
to get a seat in the courtroom. Yeah, so there
was it was a magic balance there, and it was
out of balance a little bit.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
I watched the docuseries and I went through Richard Allen
was guilty, you know, he was innocent. No, he was guilty.
And there was one moment for me this sealed the deal.
And I can tell you what that is. But I
want to know about your opinion the one thing that
you hang your hat on that says, yeah, that's the bullet.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
Yeah all right, can you explain the bullet because even
the expert on the docuent series was like, look, this
isn't iron clad stuff. You need multiple people can give
you multiple different opinions on it. You and I have
talked before about this offline. What about the bullets sealed
it for you?
Speaker 1 (04:29):
And let's be specific. You're talking about the bullet that
was found.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
At the crime scene. Yes, yes, it's obviously it was
presented in the courtroom. So I'm not talking about anything
I can't. But what I explained to people now is
if you found something in your room in your home
where a crime was committed that belonged to a certain
individual that you didn't know, is it more likely than
(04:53):
not that that person was in your room? Right? Yeah,
the answer is yes. I would think to most people,
would that quarter be there, why would that dime be there?
Why would that gun be there? Why would that bullet
be there? And it was more likely than not his.
So that was a big deal to me. And again
I've never investigated a crime like this. Yeah, but I
(05:16):
felt my responsibility was to protect those that were and
let them do their job objectively. And that was a
really really big moment for me.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Did you ever did you ever sway on this?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
Okay? I guess.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
First of all, let's go back because the documentary and
they got three hours, right, so they can't get to everything.
But it's sort of like there's this giant time hop
in the documentary to where now he's just a suspect,
Like we just fast forward through basically years of stuff.
Was he always a suspect? Was he always somebody that
was being looked at? What put him back on a radar?
(05:51):
I don't think that. I think people still are confused
about Well.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
I think the documentary by Hulu did a really nice
job of explaining how all that happened, because, as you know,
there was contact with Richard Allen early on, and as
simplistic as this is, it was missed. It was just simply.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Missed putting a file and getting a drawer.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
And they did and they said their job.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Theirs being Richard Allens, like, well, this guy was here
the whole time, and you know, so what you're basically
saying is, yeah, that was just a mistake. It was
the logical was.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
There's no other I'm not going to spin that into
something that's not. That's just the reality. And I know
we took a lot of heat over this from you Rob.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
People.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Now we talk like does he know all the things?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Yes, And that's one that's one of the reasons that
I felt like I had to be as involved as
I was, and and and my job was to take
the not that it was I'm not being disrespectful.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
Rob.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
The noise everybody else is jo noise of coming, you know,
of coming and everybody. But I understood it. I understood
your position. I did it. I wish I could have
come on and yeah and calmed it all down, but
I just couldn't do that at the time. I just
couldn't do that. And and it was, it was. It
was an amazing experience.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
There's Doug Carter's I guess, former state police superintendent. We're
talking about the Delphi murders. There's this very interesting new
documentary on Hulu. Is there any has there ever been
any doubt in your mind that this is the guy?
Speaker 1 (07:26):
No?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Ever?
Speaker 3 (07:28):
Well, once he was identified.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Right right right?
Speaker 2 (07:31):
Never, You've never waivered, never any not? Is there any
Is there any truth to if the judge had allowed
the because a lot of people feel like they there was.
The rulings were very one sided in favor of the prosecution.
If they'd have allowed the defense to present the odinism stuff.
Do you think the jury's mind would have been changed
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or would have changed more people in the public. Should
the judges said, look, this is such a big case,
let's just err on the side of caution, let you
have everything at your disposal.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Well, what Judge Gould did and what I would do
really aren't comparable because I didn't sit in her seat.
I think she did what she thought was right at
the time. I think if if that whole odinism issue
was presented, the outcome would have been to say.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
You don't think it would have swayed the jury at all.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
You said you watched the docu series. What was your
impression of it, because for many people it was the
first time hearing from Richard Allen's wife.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Again, I thought they did a really nice job. I
thought it was I thought it was fair and balanced.
I thought they presented both sides. I found it very
interesting that that Andrew bald When indicated after his first
meeting with Richard Allen that he was innocent. Remember he
said that after the very first meeting when he went outside.
And again I don't hate him for that. I mean,
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I think he tried to do what he tried to do,
and he tried to do it with as much vigor
and passion and empathy and as he could. But we
couldn't jump to those conclusions like that, and we dang
sure didn't jump to those conclusions. So the defense was
able to get information out there in the public that
we were not able to respond to. And again I'm
not complaining about that. I guess I kind of am,
because the one hundred and thirty six page document that
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was released early on was was full of mischaracterizations about
the process and about impressions and what's factual and what's not,
and we couldn't respond to that.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Yeah, they go in a little bit in the documentary.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
They do, and there's a gag order at the time.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What wester Fell or whatever his name was, you know,
he's all over that that. He's like, well, I don't
get that back now, Like you know, right, my name
is forever linked into this thing.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Everybody that is mentioned was investigated. It was there terabytes
of information. I think they talked about millions of pages
of documents in the documentary.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Yeah. Was there anything missing from the documentary?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Oh? I think the documentary could have been eight hours
long or maybe ten hours long. But again, they found
a real magic balance there, and I hope people watch it.
I do. I listened to you, to Casey. I listened
to you that day last week, so I kind of
had an idea of what your thought was about the bullet.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
Yeah, it was exactly what you said. That's what Oh
it was.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
It was people breaking news. You're in, you're in on
the jury, got it right?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, I said that the day.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Watching the let's talk about it.
Speaker 4 (10:18):
Was it was the bullet just like Doug Carter said,
that's what's solidified.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Let's talk about that guy Relford, who's here all the time. Yes,
and I remember Guy Reliford. You might have hearved me
to say this before, but it's really, really, really important.
No one really understands the jury, like the jury. Yeah,
I sat in the jury box the day after or
the day of the guilty here the guilty verdict. They're
the ones that see the courtroom. They see the state,
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they see the defense, they see they they watched Richard
Allen for seventeen days, a totally different perspective than everybody else. Right,
we all have kind of even me, I had a
singular focus, right, and all your listeners did had that
exact focused. So our system of justice says, if that
this would be tried by jury of your peers, yeah,
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that happened. So either you agree with our system of
justice or you don't as imperfect as it is.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Okay, let's take a break. Doug Carter is our guest,
former superintendent of the Indiana State Police. We're talking about
all things Delphi. This new documentary, three part documentary out
on Hulu. We're getting Doug's perspective on the Delphi murder
investigation and trial. It's Kenill Casey Show ninety three WIBCNE.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
It's Kenel Casey Show on Robin Casey.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Here, our guest is our former stately superintendent Doug Carter.
There is a new documentary out on Hulu, three part
documentary on the Delphi murders. Doug has been kind enough
to come in obviously say, nobody knows this investigation, perhaps
better than Doug Carter. Doug has been kind enough to
give us some of his insights into the investmentation, into
the trial. So let's get back to Richard Allen, the
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convicted murderer. One of the things that people will say
is this guy because the confessions were such a major
part and this guy was basically tortured in prison, he
wasn't himself. Was he treated fairly in prison? Should something
have been done differently? And is there a legitimate case
to say, hey, the guy was clearly going through a
lot of stuff. You can't take a lot of weight
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in what he said in prison.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, remember this the probable cause beyond a reasonable doubt.
It can be built over time. Yeah, it's not one
thing that he said, it's not one event that he talked.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
I think the ward and I don't remember his name
in the in the in the series, talked about how
he was treated there. I don't think DOC has ever
had an inmate quite like this before, particularly a pre
adjudicated inmate.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
And for those who may not know what you just said,
that's for someone who has not been convicted, that's right, Yeah,
that is going to trial, that's right. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
I had a detective that listened to every single com
voice or every single phone conversation that Richard Allen had
outside of the prison system, every single one, for years.
That was his job. And again, those admissions came over time.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
So it wasn't that every you're saying, And that's interesting
you're saying, it wasn't every day that he was some
rambling incoherent madness.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
Oh no, not at all, No, not at all, not
at all.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
I think the wife is do you think the wife
is just naive? Do you think I don't know?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Rob?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You know Cathy is, she's a very kind person. She's
she has never caused any problem for anybody. Yeah, and
there's some empathy for her. I have empathy for her
because remember I said in twenty nineteen, the killer could
be in this room.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Yeah, when you said that, you didn't know it was
him though, right, Gosh no, because people thought that. That
is very and that's of course the famous one of
the most famous parts of this whole investigation is your
your press conference that day. You didn't know it was
him at that point.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Rob, I walked across that bridge a couple of times.
There is no way it was anybody that hadn't been
there before.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Now the bridge is totally different. And I was up
there now long ago, and I periodically and then that area.
I just go up there and walk that bridge. But
it's very different now than it.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Was creepy to do, like for you to go up
and just wow.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
It's actually pretty therapeutic again, really, yeah, tell me about that.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I'm not trying to be like a psychiatrist here, but
tell me about that. People will find that fascinating.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Yeah, I've I've.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Lost track of the number of times I was up
there over since February of twenty seventeen, and there's there's
a certain place up there that that frankly i'd like
to I like to go up and sit and and
just think about what occurred to those two little girls
that day and how it was literally captivated the world.
And I got to say, there were there were times
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throughout this that eight year period that I was thinking
to myself, I'm going to fail. I'm going to fail
those two little girls in this community and all these
people that have so much there's so much relying on this,
and not just me personally, but I got to watch
people just give their entire lives to something other than themselves,
and that was Abby and Libby, and it was so
amazing to watch. So to walk where they walked is
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very therapeutic to me.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Case, I have two questions I want to make sure
we get before read along those lines.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You've been doing this for quite a long time. Was
this the most pressure you ever felt in your career?
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yes, Carroll County, Indiana was the most. The most pressure.
The floor fires haunt me to this day and that's
that's that. That's one small community has really really, really
enveloped my career, at least in my own mind.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Okay, two things I want to make sure we get
to it. One is do you believe firmly Alan acted alone?
Have you ever thought there was somebody else involved with him?
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Yeah, that's it's a good question right now that that
information is not out there that that someone else did.
But as with any other capital crime, any other murder investigation,
they never close. So you know, the the truth will
set you free. I think the truth comes out over
time and we'll see. I hope one data sit down
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with Richard Allen. I know I can't do that right
now because of the appeal, and I don't blame him
for the appeal.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
You would go meet with him.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
I want to go meet with him, I do, but
I can't. I can't even reach out. I know I can't.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
Would you ask what would you say to him?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, I have lots of questions I would ask him.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
That would be like, like, not that there's anything lighthearted
about any of this, but from a pure consumption by
the public, I mean you would you would to put
that on That would be the most fascinating conversation ever.
Even see you guys sit in a room and talk with.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
Each other that one day we can and he didn't
have to say one word to me, and I have
I would have plenty to say to him, And I
think I could be that voice for a lot of
people because I have. I would really like to sit
with him. I would really like to sit with Kathy
and talk about our perspectives in the last you know,
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nearly a decade.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay, And obviously I don't want you to go in
too much detail on this, but I think people will
be fascinating to get your perspective on how this actually occurred,
because it's one guy with two girls, and how you
think in a radio friendly format, you think that he
was able to pull this off?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Evil lives amongst us, Rob and I do. I think
that he do. But I personally think that he had
he was going to do a B.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
C, D and E. But you don't think he was
plotting that out that day when he.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Went plotting something out?
Speaker 2 (17:56):
But I'm not sure you think when he went that
day he was It was not a spur of the
moment sort of thing.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
Oh no, no, no, I don't think so I don't
think so.
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Do you.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Okay, I don't mean to veer off this. I think
people are gonna find this very interesting, Like because he
doesn't have a criminal history, so you think there's always
just like this thing inside of him and it just
snapped that day.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
I do.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Do you feel like Kathy was manipulated their entire marriage?
Speaker 3 (18:25):
I don't know, because they ever talked to her. I
don't know, but it does. It does seem unusual. They
talked about the blue jacket in the documentary. They talked
about the blue jeans. In the documentary, Richard Allen talked
about the blue blue jacket car jacket he had when
he said that it gave me chills.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
They did that?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Had I assume you had obviously seen all that before.
I mean that, Oh yeah, that was fast. That was fascinating.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Yeh.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
Where he basically stooge done himself, which is amazing, by
the way, when he went and agreed to talk to
the investigators without an attorney or you guys just like, oh,
I mean, what was your I cannot.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
No, not really surprised by that, No, not really.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I mean, if you did it, wouldn't you be like,
oh heck, no, I'm getting, you know, the best attorney
known to man, and and you.
Speaker 3 (19:09):
Know, look at it from the different perspective. I'm gonna
I'm gonna sit somewhere neutral. If I don't want an attorney,
they're gonna assume that I didn't do this.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
In the So in the mind of the criminal, they
always think they can outsmart the cops. Is that the deal? Oh?
Speaker 3 (19:22):
I think that's for general generally that's accurate rule.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
Yeah, yeah, how often does that happen? A little life
advice from state former State Police of verintended Dug Carter.
How many of the criminals out smart the cops?
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Not very often.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
It's got to be that element of narcissism. Yeah, that
things they can get away with the evil. But also
he worked.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
At the CVS in downtown Delphi. Yeah, there probably wasn't
a person in Delphi that didn't have some level of
interaction with you. So those are the kinds of things
I'd love to talk with him.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
So before I let you go get out of here
with this, because obviously there are people like me who
still have doubts. Soough since I've talked to you, and
and one of the things I appreciate you is how
forthcoming you've been about this. You said, look, we made
the mistakes, We screwed this up. There should have been
cameras in the courtroom. You're not absolute on Oh this
was so easy and so obvious.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
But you know, Rob, one of the things that's important.
I think also, you just struck a bit of a
chord with me. It's easy for the defense to talk
about what we did wrong. Yeah, and they did again.
I don't blame Baldwin and Rossie for doing that, but
this was a case of lifetime of a lifetime. How
we manage that kind of information then versus now is
totally different.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Really, Oh absolutely changes because of this.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Oh my gosh, we understood what our deltas are.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Yeah, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
So fortunately the FBI in the Orion system, which isn't
available anymore, they were able to bring that to us,
to be able to collate and keep all the information
that we got. Was it perfect, No, But we were
receiving thousands of tips a day for a while. So anyway, Yeah,
you know, those are the kinds of things that they
can talk about them all they want. I'll debate them
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anytime they want to. This is about human beings. This
is not about intention mistakes and doing things intentionally wrong.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
So you were in the documentary, but it was news clips.
Did the producers approach you to be on camera?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yeah, they reached out to both Jerry Holman and I
and we did they because they they wanted to restrict
what we could say after the documentary, so I guess
they wanted to own it, and again that's just all
part of it and we so we declined. But they
did a really nice job, even though they didn't weren't
able to interview us like they like like they wanted to.
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But Holman, I mean, Jerry Holman is just the guy's
just a star.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
That's awesome. Man. Well, you know, I just appreciate you
being with us today. Obviously, this is a case that
changed the state. It shouldn't be forgotten how it and
I thought the documented a good job of capturing how
those families were impacted. I think they sometimes get lost
in this when there's media covers that there's these families
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that lost these two little girls. And I just appreciate
you coming in and shedding some light on this because
it will always captivate the public. You know, fifty years
from now, people will still be talking about the Delphi case.
And I think that's why it's great to get someone
like you. The record will now be preserved in interviews
like this on things that the public maybe didn't see
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or know about.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Those that are listening. I also that Florifire is a
really big deal, and that's still unfinished. Yeah, so even
while I'm not still there, those detectives are. And if
you know some say something.
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Please all right, it is Kendery Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Should we talk about what a complete bussy brawn is
for a minute? Noodling. I want to use another word,
but I don't think I'm allowed to say it. Okay, hey,
but before I do that, real quick. Thanks to Doug
Carter for coming in.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
That was fascinating. If you missed the.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
First part of the hour, Doug Carter, former State Police superintendent,
came on with us, talked about all things DELFI.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
And there's of.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Course this new Hulu documentary out and he's not interviewed
in it, and I thought it was interesting. He said
it wasn't avoiding anybody. He didn't want to be essentially
bound with silence. Correct, because I guess there's.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Rules diticipate in it, then he can't talk about it.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
And they couldn't have come on with people like us,
and so that that made a lot of sense. Yeah,
but he there was no question off limits. And look,
that's what you should expect from your public servants. There'll
be some people that'll be mad about what he said. Absolutely,
I'm still not convinced the guy did it. I still,
as a juror, would have doubt doubt he filled in
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some holes for me. A major issue for me is
a lack of motive and criminal history. But again, and
I think he admitted this the judge. Now he didn't
say it like this, but the judge made a colossal
mistake not letting the public watch the case.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Right, not putting a camera in there.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I thought it was really interesting when you asked him
about motive and he answered saying, you know, evil, and
it wasn't like it was my impression. He was saying
that something was going to happen that day.
Speaker 1 (24:03):
But he wasn't planning on that specifically. Yeah, I was
something bad. I was going to take plook.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
I know you don't have to I know you don't
have to prove motive, you know, to be convicted. And again,
those jurors saw a whole bunch of stuff we didn't see.
The judge made a monumental mistake. I think the judge
made two mistakes. The first mistake was not allowing the
public to view the proceedings, and the second was all
of those rulings against Richard Allen. I think they should
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have let him put whatever defense out there that he wanted,
and then you take away because those are the two
things you hear, right, like the lack of transparency or
the perceived lack of transparency, and all the rulings that
went against Richard Allen. Obviously, like I said, I'm a
no legal expert, but I think that. But and the
my point on this is that people will not like
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what he said, and that's okay. But he came on
and he answered questions, and no point was he like there,
I won't talk about this, or I won't talk about that.
He answered the questions we could have done, and he
said this when we got done with the interview.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Said we could have gone for hours.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and maybe at some point we'll have him, we'll
have him come back, but I don't I've talked to
him about this multiple times now obviously on airon then
we've chated a little bit off air about it.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
But I don't think there's any doubt in his mind.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He thinks that allan day he got the right guy. Yeah,
and people, reasonable people will disagree on that. And I'm
still not sure where because he asked me when we
got done so like, you know, what what is your
what would your hang up be? And I just think
the biggest one for me is a lack of motive
and criminal history. I would have a very hard time
believing that a guy in his fifties just woke up
(25:40):
one day and was like, I'm gonna go kill two
little girls. I don't know, but anyway, Okay, let's talk
about so thanks to Doug Carter. It was a great
interview that's done a wide variety of stuff. Go back
and listen to it after we get done with the
program today if you missed it. Okay, Braun is ridiculous, right,
I mean you've seen the quote.
Speaker 4 (25:58):
Now, well, I don't know what that one it is
because is he noncommittal or is he seriously considering?
Speaker 1 (26:05):
So we need a.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Capital Chronicle as an article about the governor of the
state of Indiana Mike Braun and he's gonna be on
with Hammer Nigel this afternoon.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
They'll talk about it that and.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
They're going to get into the AI porn allegations and
all that. All that stuff. I think this afternoon is
their intention. But he got so. We had Mitch Gore
on Democrat representative earlier today talking about this, and look,
of course they don't want it because it's going to
go against them. But and like people are like, I
can't believe you'd have a Democrat Why not? Why wouldn't
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we have Democrats on? They are leaders, they are they
have votes, they have, you.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Know, ability to sway colleagues.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
They're going to vote on this thing if it happens,
the same as everybody else is.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I always tell people just because someone.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Can be right, but you can also be skeptical of
what they would do in that position at the same time.
And I think that's sort of like with the mitchcore.
I think if there were a Democrat president that we're
pushing hard for redistricting and Indiana or a Democrat state,
I think the Democrats would be hard pressed to stand
back against it, right. I don't kid myself with that,
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but he made a lot of good points, and this
is they're not even in the state House selling some
made up thing like Texas is.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
At least Texas is.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
Like, well, we've had all these people move in, you know,
with these districts are all different, the makeups are different. Now,
which if you wanted to just extend logic, you could
do that. That's what the census is for every ten years.
But Indiana doesn't even have that. And he said, they're
not even they're not even lying, they're not even fibbing,
they're not even saying no, yeah, And shouldn't our society
(27:39):
to be better than we just want to score cheap
political points, Because what have the Republicans done for you anyway?
Like what if they have the House, they have the Senate,
they have the presidency, what'd you get? You got some
bill that's going to add three and a half to
four now maybe four and a half a trillion on
top of the fifteen trillion or already going to like
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what are you getting? What is different? What is changing?
The Republicans had the House of Representatives the two years
with Biden, did any Biden spending stuff get the kaibosh?
Speaker 1 (28:10):
No?
Speaker 2 (28:11):
No, of course not so we're all hung up on
manipulating ourselves into vacating our principles what we know is right.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
I mean, you know deep down what this is.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
It's a power grab, of course it is. They can't
win the election, so they're going to rig the thing
in their favor.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
They can't do it based on their actual governance, so
let's do it this way. This is the interesting thing
about Governor Brown's quote in the article.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
He said, it'll be interesting to see what.
Speaker 4 (28:38):
Texas does because they don't have a super majority. Why
does it matter what Texas is doing to determine what
Indiana's gonna do.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Bingo, if it's the right thing to do. States do
different things all the time, correct do it.
Speaker 4 (28:56):
He wants to see how much.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Of a mess or how easy it is, Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
If that gets tripped up, it's probably going to impact
what happens elsewhere because the rest of it doesn't add
up to much. So you're admitting this is just a
power play to give yourself more power in Congress.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
It's not about right.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
It's not about making the districts more fair, it's not
making about making voting better.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
It's not about any of that.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
He's freely admitting now without saying the exact words, this
is all just about we've pulled the mask back. At
least they're not even lying to us anymore improvement. At
least they're not even lying. And it's we as people
have to be better than this, You as we as
(29:43):
a society, you as an individual listening to us right now,
you have to put your foot down and say the
parties don't matter anyway. They all screw us. They don't
fight for us, they don't do things for us. What
are you cheerleading for? What are you so excited? Let's
say the Republicans get three more seats in the House.
Let's say they win three collectively out of this and
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it's the status quo.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Are you fired up about that?
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Do you think we should be spending all of this
time in political capital? And don't you have to stand
up for yourself? Because Braun on the signature issue that
was most important to most of you, property taxes, when
he had the opportunity to call the special session and
fight for you, he said, uh, uh, doesn't that enrage you?
Haven't you seen enough from these people to know what rotten,
(30:30):
disgusting individuals they are he's really considering this. He's all
on board. If it'll work in Texas. If he thinks
it'll fly through, he's gonna do it. But he wouldn't
do it for you with the property taxes.
Speaker 4 (30:42):
He said that he's not feeling pressured financially by the
Trump administration to get this done. So jd Vance came
here for a breaded portendo loin, I mean, is that
why he came?
Speaker 1 (30:53):
I just I mean, because we don't know what they
talked about. It's the same.
Speaker 2 (30:59):
And I've been I've struggled with this for a long time.
I just didn't realize it until recently. But I've been
really struggling with this casey because of a variety of reasons.
Things that have happened nationally, obviously, but obviously some things
that are happening here in our own backyard, and how
people have behaved and our behaving with the way things
(31:23):
ought to be, and how great they could be if
people would behave the way they ought to behave and
govern the way they ought to govern, versus the stone
cold reality of how that's never going to happen. The
system corrupts just about everybody who goes into it. People
even maybe with the best of intentions can't or won't
stand up for what's right and what's right is you
(31:45):
and what's best for you, and then you get stuff
like this, and it just seems like it's a daily,
very harsh reminder of just how deep, how just deep
in terms of the the cowardice from these elected people
to do what's right is and you're not digging out
(32:05):
of that any anytime sooner, probably ever in our lifetime.
And it's just it's a very sombering thing.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Okay, And on that note, let's take a break when
we come back, and we can talk about.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Tariffs and how they're going to be affecting you. You're
going to lift us up.
Speaker 4 (32:19):
We could talk about the sororities dancing on social media.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
It's Kennily Casey on ninety three w ib C.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
All right, you got to do something uplifting. This is
the last segment of the show today. We're counting on
you because you know I won't do it.
Speaker 4 (32:36):
Yeah, So do you want to talk about the price
of things getting expensive?
Speaker 1 (32:41):
I said, it's uplifting. It's a final segment.
Speaker 4 (32:44):
Okay, So we're not going to talk about looks. Do
it with a smile on our face. You're going to
see higher prices on toilet paper.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You're literally doing it. Chi catch up? Wait, what's going up?
Speaker 4 (32:57):
Companies are going to be passing tariff costs on to you.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
Ooh thought that I thought prices were going down.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
So Procter and Gamble they have announced price hikes on
twenty five percent of their products starting next month. That
includes Sharman, Bounty, Pampers, Loves Tied Gain Puffs, Jill so.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
This next month. So you better hurry up. If you
buy now, you could buy now, buy in bulk. Now,
what's the what's the price increase?
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Are they saying the twenty five percent increase on some
of their products?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Who we're not talking about like five cents? Then? Correct?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Now this is where the public and see this is
the game, right, This is the the con This is
why Trump is so mad about Howell refusing to reduce
the interest rates. He's trying to get you to think
that the economy is fine by pumping a bunch of
money into the economy to hide.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
Does this sound familiar?
Speaker 2 (33:57):
Casey cut the interest rates to pump money into the
to hide the actions of the government. Huh, where did
we where did we hear that before? Where did that come?
Speaker 1 (34:08):
What? Uh? Oh, it was called COVID. It's exactly what
they did during COVID. How'd that work out for your
buying prowess?
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Casey?
Speaker 1 (34:15):
Yeah, in the long run, not so high exactly.
Speaker 2 (34:18):
And so that's what and this is why people this
way should never be anybody's team. She never have any
favorites because Trump is going to screw you big time,
and that's going to be the reality of the tariffs.
He doesn't there's no the realities. We live in a
world economy. The ship is sailed. This is not Ross
Paro nineteen ninety two anymore. Right, that was the that
(34:39):
ship of sale. Now, can you make our can you
make our buying power greater? Can you make us stronger?
Can you get things that you want? From a political
perspective with teriffs? Yes, which is what they should have
been about the idea of We've always said, the idea
of stopping fentanyl coming into the country, bingo great. Use
those terar all day, every day to make Canada and
(35:02):
Mexico absolutely try to or not try but do crack
down on illegal drugs that are killing people left and right,
including young young kids, get them out of get them
out of this country. There's ain't nobody has any problem
with that. But when you're just everybody this country, that country,
that like, of course, the prices are going to go up,
(35:23):
and then for them to act like we're going to
give you again. Does this sound familiar. We're going to
send some money into your bank account. It's money you're
going to pay back in terms of the price increase.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
So Hershey is another one that is expected to raise prices.
One of the reasons for Hershey is high cocoa costs,
but also the tariffs. Some of the brands that are
going to be infected affected, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
They're going to be infected. You are a spot on
case effected.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yeah, include Reces and also kit Kat. Kraft.
Speaker 4 (35:53):
Hines says that they will be raising their prices more
than they had originally planned, and that will include Heinz Care, Kraft,
mac and.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
Cheese, also jell O.
Speaker 4 (36:04):
They say that the price increase will be teriff related
cost pressure, but also slumping sales.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
That doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 4 (36:12):
We were not selling as much, so let's increase the price.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Well, I guess to produce the same amount of stuff.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
Or whatever.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
And I look again, I maintain that people are buying
less because everything costs more.
Speaker 1 (36:22):
They are.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I mean, there's no doubt when you go to the
grocery store, you absolutely tell me you don't.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
Let's see, COVID was six years ago.
Speaker 2 (36:30):
Now tell me that when you venture around the grocery
store you don't do it with the different strategy that
they did six years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:39):
Yes, you obviously have a more discerning eye and you're
probably choosing something less expensive, or you're doing much more
comparison on how many ounces is in this bottle versus
this bottle, So what's the price difference here?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Yeah, and that is this is all the fault of
the government. There was zero reason for COVID to ever
shut down society. Look, was COVID real? Of course, did
people get sick, yes, did they pass away, yes, tragically,
But ninety percent of the populace could have maintained a
pretty regular lifestyle. Would they have probably gotten COVID at
(37:13):
some point? Sure, most people did. Anyway, there's not one
person walking around and goes, well, I didn't get COVID
because because I know a lot of people who mass
they social distance. They rarely went out they still ended
up getting the thing. Hey, a virus did the virus stuff.
That's how it works. You could have kept ninety percent
of the population operational and going to work and doing
their stuff, and we would have got through the thing
(37:34):
quicker anyway, and it would have kept this insanity at bay.
But it sort of makes you think case that it
really wasn't about keeping you from getting COVID, that it
really was about governmental control over every facet of your existence.
Speaker 4 (37:47):
And the question is will the prices drop again? Well, no, yeah,
experts are saying, yeah, no, you don't usually see price
deflation once a group has gotten used to paying a
higher price.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
It's very much like your government. And once it's there,
it's going to stay there.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And here's what you're going to risk. And it will
take a while, it won't be overnight, and it may
take twenty or thirty years for this to play out
in full. But people are getting so sick of the
system as it operates, and you're seeing this like with
the price of bitcoin, they are going to start seeing
all they society takes buy in for society to function properly.
(38:29):
If everybody opted out of society, the society of society
couldn't operate. It's a voluntary compliance, right, and you're going
to start seeing more and more people take their voluntary
compliance and tell the government where to shove it. And
they're going to start operating outside of traditional means. I
mean like the dollar right, and that is you're going
(38:51):
to see a seismic shift in how government and society
operates over the next twenty or thirty years because people
won't be able to afford living. That's where people draw
the line when they can't afford living.
Speaker 1 (39:04):
Let's talk about the latest trend.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
You've probably seen lots of different videos beautiful girls dancing.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
A little never in any.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Part count.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
Bet up for sure.
Speaker 4 (39:22):
So sorority recruitment campuses all over the country. Yes, and
the rush talk is flooding social media and it's the
sorority girls dancing and synchronized dances.
Speaker 1 (39:37):
Sometimes they have.
Speaker 4 (39:37):
The outfit of the day posts or even costumes like
grease or Barbie or top gun.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
It's a great marketing tool. You think, well, I mean,
if you're thinking about going to a college, I'm a
married person, so we'll bring Kevin on this one. If
you're thinking about attending a college, well, you can get
this fine degree, or you can look at this for
the next four years.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
keV, what are you going to prioritize.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
I could get this degree that probably won't take me
anywhere because society falling apart, or I can look at
this for the next four years.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
Yeah, I think the scenery would be nice.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
Casey, Every decision I ever made in my life is
about what I could look at for the longest amount
of time. This would totally sell me if I were
a young man pondering what sort of higher learning institution
I would be continuing my studies at.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
So a lot of people are saying this is because
of the Sidney Sweeney ad and I don't know if
it has much to do with that, just because some
of the costumes they've chosen denim or you know, there's
different themes throughout them. But I think more than anything,
this is this generation saying we are glad that were
(40:39):
past COVID. They're not masked up, they're healthy, they're dancing,
they're having fun, and I am glad to see that
versus what we had been seeing.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Oh No, absolutely, people have permission in society now to
be normal again. And what's normal is dudes like looking
at hot chicks having fun, right like, remember the Girls
Gone Wild videos?
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Why were they so popular?
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Right by the way, No, no, no, Kenneth asked Rob,
are you now pro crypto?
Speaker 4 (41:08):
No.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
I think it's as ridiculous as I did before. I'm
simply saying that people are going to keep opting out
of societal norms, and I think it's going to set
up a calamity for this country when you don't have
a collective buy and in society on how it works.
Speaker 4 (41:22):
Thank you Rob, Thank you Kevin, Thank you for listening today.
This has been Kendall and Casey on ninety three wib
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