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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm feeling good, casey good. I'm feeling good, feeling good,
looking good. It seems like humanity is starting to catch
on to what a nightmare AI is becoming and how
it's going to screw all of us in the end.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Are you afraid of it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well? Like it's like, are you afraid of the dark?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I mean, I just know how it's going to end, right,
I mean if you look at like, just take our
industry for example, Matt Matt Hibblin and I are our boss.
We were having this conversation because he's an old timey
radio guy like I am, you know, and we're talking
about how technology is what.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
If you guys are old timey.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, you know, I'm saying we've been in this business,
you know, longer than a decade, right, And we were
talking about how much the business itself has changed, and
the role that technology played in so much of that. Right,
And we've talked about a variety of different things. But
even in the pre artificial intelligence days, technology d radically
(01:00):
changed the radio industry, and not for the better. Technology
was a big reason that corporations took over our industry.
Big reason corporations took over the television industry because you
can program and you experienced this, right, Yeah, you were
(01:20):
once on a radio show that was heard in what
sixteen different markets?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Are sixteen markets here? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And because and we talked about this before, you've got
people in different cities that are doing breaks for here
in Indianapolis, right. And that's when the corporations, as technology
began to take over in the mid to late nineties
and said, hey, we can run twenty radio stations for
(01:50):
what it costs used to cost to run three radio
stations right now. Doesn't mean they're run better, doesn't mean
the programming is better, doesn't mean the content's better, doesn't
mean it's serving the community better, which was always the
premise of community radio and television. You're supposed to serve
the community. It's why they still give you the station
id right. Well, oftimes, the station idea has nothing to
do with where the thing is physically located anymore. And
(02:14):
obviously we have just seen that play out in this industry.
It's been for many, many people, the death of their employment,
the death of careers in radio, television, you name it.
And we've seen this in a variety of fields. Right
as technology has come in it has made the human
element completely unnecessary. It's put people out of work. Oftentimes
(02:36):
it's people who have spent decades in careers, fields, whatever,
and now you're just putting it on some sort of
megasteroid with this artificial intelligence, and within five years there's
gonna be a lot of people that aren't going to
be necessary anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, so this is just the next evolution. I
can recall as a young baby disc jockey, and that's
why they call them disc jockeys because you spun platters
either do you actually wouldn't you are albums?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Are you old enough that you actually spun records? You
never spun records? Yes they did, Oh you did not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
AM fourteen ninety WSDS, SUDDS Country.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They didn't have CDs.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, it was integrated, so that was the next level
things went digital. On the compact disc.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You actually put a record on a record player and
played it on the radio.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yes, no kidding, Yeah, I didn't know you were that.
You queue it up and then you gotta slide it
back just a little bit so that when you hit
the podcast on, it's caught its speed up.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
There was there was a time where you used to
have a have to have a broadcaster's license. Did you
ever actually get had to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Get an actual I'm FCC certified.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh, you had to get the actual license it. I
don't think I've even gone into radio. If I'd known
there would have been paperwork involved in it. I just
had to walk right in to the portal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now it's no big deal. But this is just the
next evolution, because it was you know, it went from
the albums and the forty fives to the digital era
with the CDs, and then the automation when everything went
from CDs to MP three's and computerized.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So to answer your question, and I know we went
about this in the long way, but if I'd have
been in radio, like I'm not trying to be facetious
when to say this, Matt, Matt and I have talked
about this quite a bit. I was born in the
wrong like time. If I could have been in radio
in the nineteen eighties, I'd been a millionaire, like because
of how radio was paid, how the personalities were propped up,
(04:27):
the endorsement opportunities, et cetera. Like the business has just changed.
I do fine, right, Like I'm not in a soup line.
But twenty years makes or thirty years makes a world
of difference in a technological an industry that's been totally
taken over in many cases by technology. And so to
answer your question on this, I'm not afraid of Like,
I don't think it's going to be like Terminator right
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away where the robots take over humanity or launched the
launched the big One. But I do worry in a
thriving country, countries that do will have a thriving middle
class in which the middle class is continuously being lifted up.
And what we've seen in this country is the tippy
top people do disgustingly well, and yet the middle class
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is moving downward. And countries that have great wealth divides
usually end up in turmoil. And that is what I fear.
That this technological advance is too rapid, its two pass
and is going to displace too many people who won't
be able to have a buffer zone to acquire necessary
skill sets to continue to maintain their middle class stature, right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And that's part of it. You have to keep those
skill sets going. And you have no idea what we
see AI today what it will be in four years
from now. No, we use radio as an example, so
we're already seeing the next evolution. There's Alpha Media, which
is a big company. They have AI disc jockeys. It's
(05:56):
not even a human anymore talking on the air. But
according to this Reuter's poll, seventy one percent of Americans
they're concerned the AI will permanently replace too many jobs.
They're also very concerned that it's going to stir up
political chaos, especially through deep fake videos. We've heard a
lot about that recently, and an example would be you
(06:19):
might recall Donald Trump shared an AI generated video of
Barack Obama being arrested. Yes, well that was an event
that actually never occurred, Yes, but its sure did look real.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, and you know, my wife works in this field,
not in the field of artificial intelligence, but in the
technology field, and she deals with this stuff quite a bit.
And she said, the thing people don't realize right now
is AI is stupid. She said, people like, it looks
great to the average person, but she's take to people
like me who see it in the the behind the scenes,
(06:52):
for lack of a better term, She's like, AI is
really stupid. She said, in the next five years, AI
is going to get I think you guys have had
this conversation before that, AI is going to get and
once I get smart, all bets are off. And that
is what humanity is not ready for. Is this because
it's continuously learning. It is like the movies in the
sense it is continually teaching itself. It's growing, it's evolving,
and it will surpass humans at some point. I don't
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know when that will be, but that's going to be
a real danger.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yep. So Americans are very divided on it, and like
you said, seventy one percent are fearing that it's going
to replace their job. I believe it was Pope Leo
who was saying that it was one of his top
priorities because of its dehumanization ability.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Sure. No, absolutely, So to answer your question, no, I
don't fear it like it's going to get me in
the middle of the night. I fear it though that
it is going to create in immense chaos on our economy.
And it's one thing to say to people, Hey, ten
years from now, the landscape's going to look different than
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it does. You need to get some sort of secondary
edge cation or skill set or whatever and give people
and society and our education system itself time to prepare
and train people. This is in real time. Two years
from now, things are going to be different than they
much different than they are today. Societies are like dinosaurs, right,
They're not meant to evolve quickly. They're slow, right, Like
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there's preparation things. Things happen the Internet, Like we didn't
just wake up one day and everybody had Facebook. There
was an evolution of that. There was an evolution of
social media, from dial up to email to all that stuff. Right,
this is like it's just smacking together in real time.
And I just don't think I don't think people are ready.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
According to this poll, sixty one percent of people are
concerned about the electricity demand. Oh yeah, boy, wou priored
to power AI? And it's everybody's I think, has a
different take on this right now. I just saw an
article yesterday. It was up on Drudge and the title
of the article was, have we reached the AI pinnacle?
(09:00):
It's like the AI bust. It's over. This is as
far as it's going to go. And then you hear
from other people saying, oh, no, you have no idea
what things are going to look like in four years.
Oh no, nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
No, you're no, it's we're in big trouble, but we'll
do it together as long as they need us, until
they can have AI people do talk radio, then we'll
do it together. All right, Okay, when we come back
tomorrow night, Casey is a big night here in central Indiana.
Across the state of Indiana, high school football is back.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And you know, I was thinking because when I was
growing up, high school football in Indiana was like an
also ran, Like yeah, there are people went to the
games and it was fine, but it was always just
this like precursor to high school basketball. Everyone's like, let's
just get through the fall, let's get to the winner.
Basketball's back, baby, And now high school football is the thing.
(09:49):
I mean, thousands of people in every community across the
state that has a home football game tomorrow night are
gonna be flooding in. Football is now king. And I thought,
let's get some perspective on why Indian has changed in
the sports landscape, and let's talk about there's going to
be some great teams. Our old pal, yeah, John Herrick,
the news director, excellent. He is mister high school football
(10:10):
broadcaster man. He does the Bob Lovel Show, and now
we're Indiana. He's going to join us next to talk
about what's going on in high school football.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Casey tomorrow night. High school football is back in the
state of Indiana. High school football is king now at
various fine public and private institutions across the state of Indiana.
Thousands of people will be flooding in.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And I want to know, were you an athletic supporter
or an athlete?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I was in the student newspaper I wrote this will
shock you. Yeah, I was infamous for writing very critical
articles about the sports teams.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Do you get bullied for that?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, because they knew I'd just write something worse about
him the next month. John Herrick, News director e Stordina
here at WIBC jointed now because you are an acclaimed,
award winning sports broadcaster on Friday nights.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Well, I don't know about that, but it is a
passion of mine. I've been doing it since really college.
I was at you know, when I was at De
Paul University, we did a Putnam County Game of the
week on WGR. We'd go to Greencastle, Monrovia, North Putt,
South Putnam, wherever we wanted to go, and that's where
it all started. And I did it, you know, in Montana, Oklahoma,
and now I'm back here doing it again.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
For I s we are of similar age. I am
a few years older than you. But when we were kids,
as I just alluded to last segment of Casey, basketball
was king. Football was just sort of like something that
we just wasted time to get to basketball. And now
football has permanently taken over as king of everything.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
How and why did that happen? I think a couple
of reasons. One, all these schools have made a ton
of investments in their sports program. I know I'm going
to probably trigger Rob when I say this, Casey, but
there have been there for end of money at some schools.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The tax pairents. You're right, exactly, The money fairy did
not do this. We have done this.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I know that a lot of schools have made upgrades
to their football infrastructure. They've gotten video boards, they've gotten
all kinds of really cool gadgets and gizmos, and fans
love that. I also think that fans, at least from
what who I talk with, they're so irritated by either
the NFL or the college football landscape. With the NIL
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and transfer portal that I think that they feel that
high school football is like the last pure thing left
that they feel is not as corrupted by money as
college or the NFL. So I think, like Friday nights,
people feel like is is sacred to them. That's why
you have such great attendance.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now, Yeah, because when I first started broadcasting high school
football games back in the dark ages, many many years ago,
it was like people went. The people that were there
were passionate, but they were often horribly maintained grass field
and there was some bad high school track around the
stadium and you were hoping the bleachers and the press
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box didn't cave in. And Nowah, especially in the Central
Indiana school districts, their stadiums are literally better than college stadiums.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, it's funny you say that,
because I can't tell you how many times I've been
to high school football complexes in Indiana or Oklahoma or
Texas that are better than some of the other colleges
I've been to. And it's because people. I think when
we were kids, people complained about how bad those facilities were,
and that is what got the ball rolling towards more investment.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
As usual, we sacrificed, we crawled, so that others may
now Olympic sprint. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, two hundred and fifty five high schools have football teams.
You've got what six tiers of classes. Do you think
part of the popularity is because obviously a football team
is much larger than a basketball team, more people can anticipate.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I definitely think it's part of it. And then
you do have the tailgate atmosphere behind it, you know
where people can just I mean I go to these
parking lots on Friday nights walking into the stadium and
it's just a full on party.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Do people recognize you? Do they offer you a cold
beer on your way into the stadium, Hey, that's newsman
John Herrick.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
They absolutely do not, nor do they care. They might
notice me if I have my ISC shirt on, because
Greg Reigstraw and the great folks at the ISIC Sports
Network have grown that brand into something really special. But
I also think that people there are so many streaming
options that people can use, so if they can't make
it to the game, they don't necessarily have to pay.
(14:41):
Sometimes they do, but there's a lot of free options
to watch the game if you can't make it. I
think that's also helped.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know who one of the original sports streamers for
high school sports in Indianas Casey.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Was it Robcastery.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It was me Audio Sports Online. I had like one
hundred schools. I have been displaced by taxpayer funded technology.
They put me out of a job.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, just like a all.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right, so you do television for a group called Internet
Television for a group called ISC. Yes, and it's like
a big It's not just like some guy in the
press box with the handheld camera, like it's a big hole, hey, Rube,
Like you got on field cameras and everything.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yes, Yeah, And it goes to a truck and there's
a guy running replay. It's yeah, there's several camera operators
on site. It's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Is it? Like? I hated doing play by play on
television because I like to talk and aren't you supposed
to like let the picture tell the story? Is it
hard to be a television play by play man?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
There is, there's a lot of nuance to it. But
one of my favorite broadcasting veterans is Kevin Harlan, and
I've always been very impressed with how he can do
both radio and TV, so I've tried to like really
lean into that, and I have had to work with
a couple of talent coaches on how to do TV
because they're like, you're talking too much this, oh yeah,
so you have to learn to dial it back. And
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then also like once you describe the play, let the
analyst jump in and break down why that happened, and
then the replay can do the rest.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
John Herrick is our guest. We're talking about high school
fotball begins tomorrow night, Casey. You know, I had it
down to such a science. At one point, I was
capable of running my own camera. I had a headset
and I could do play by play and if somebody
didn't show up, this was to run the camera. I
could do all the things at the same time.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You're like the musician who plays the drums and guitar
in harmonica and.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Sing might be part of why I went out of business.
All right, So John, you you cover all these schools
here in Central Indiana. Who are some of the teams
this year that people are going to be focused on?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The ones in Central Indiana that I think are going
to be the biggest ones to look out for I'm
going to trigger brob again here, Casey. But Brownsburg, well, I.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Mean, we've spent nine to jillion dollars on the football
stadium and we have a second football stadium. Now did
you know this? They built a second football stadium on
a practice field right next to the football stadium, so
in case, I guess, I don't know, if the football
game spills out of the current stadium, it can continue
on the next Why why would you need two football stadiums?
(17:02):
What possible reason would there be for two.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Versus?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's what it is? Yeah, boy, howdy we anyway, so
we're funding one of the best teams known demand there
in the town of Brownsburg. That's great.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
They were thirteen and one last year, have a lot
of people back, so I'm sure they'll be good again.
Center Grove who came close to beating Brownsburg and has
a lot of people back. They'll be a contender in
six A New Palestine. Shocker to hear say this. I
mean they had to move up to class at five
A because they won the four A state championship.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
They got eighteen.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Starters back, so eighteen yeah, yeah, Kyle Ralph has just
they just it seems like they reload at New Pallette here.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
How did they choose what games you go do? Are
they like Herrick, you want this game or anything? No,
I don't know, that's gonna be boring. I have a
little bit of a choice. But it's also based on
what they can sell and what the what the sales
team can do, and also where they might be established.
So if they're if I sees.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Like, hey, we got a really good audience up in
the northern part of the state or up in the
southern out in the southern part of the state, we
might have to send you there.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It just kind of all depends. There's a lot of circumplances.
One of the reasons I had to get out of
this case, he was, you know, I don't like to
leave my house and Friday night, well, the Friday night
football thing. It's why I stopped going to the to
the games is it's an eyemare. It takes like an
hour to get in, an hour to get out. You
got to get there an hour early. It's like a
seven or eight hour endeavor. And there's people people. Oh yeah, yeah,
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those people.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
John, do you ever follow any teams in other parts
of the state?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So I've done a lot of games at like Cascade
or I still follow teams in Putnam County just because
I went to DePaul University and is in Putnam County.
One story that I'm fascinated to see if this will
go well this year is North Central. I'm going to
be covering them a lot. They have had three straight
seasons where they have gone winless. Oh, but they have
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a new coach turning around that they He is talking confidently,
maybe not Kurt Signetti level talking confidently, but he is
speaking like, Hey, we got leadership here. We can turn
things around. And it'll be interesting to see if they
can break the streak. And the first game that I
have tomorrow night is them playing against Rebuff. Rebuff lost
some people, they'll be down a little bit. North Central
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be a little bit better, so they have a chance
to break the streak right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you think because I saw this in West Virginia,
maybe it was where they're proving some sort of nil.
Do you think that's ever gonna happen here, that high
school kids are gonna be able to be paid to
play high school sports.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I don't get the sense. Again, I don't know the
IHSA Commissioner, Paul Knidig super well. But I know him
well enough to hear him when he talks about that stuffs.
He seems very apprehensive about it. And he's only open
to transferring kids transferring to a different school if it's
like they full on moved or they had a really
good reason for moving out of one area into another
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one so that they would allow a kid to transfer
to play to different school. But man paying high school
football players or high school athletes in Indiana, that seems
like a bit of a stretch at this point, but
you never know. It seemed like a stretch for college
players at one point. And here we are.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Where can people find you, like on the internet tomorrow
night if they're like, I need more John Herrick in
my life. The newscast is just not enough. Give me
some football.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
John Herrick is Sportsnetwork dot com or you can download
the ISIC app IIC Sports Network app and you can
watch games for free on there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So John Herrick, thank you, Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thanks you're listening to Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So there's an update on the Herb Baumeister case, which
sounds weird because he's been no longer with us for
a very long time, but just a reset for people
who don't know herb Bowmeister is a famed.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Serial killer.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, I believed to have killed dozens of men in
the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Lived up in Westfield and at the time was a
very secluded area, and he was alleged to have not
only killed they killed these gay men, but also lured
them to his home and then disposed of their bodies
on his property. And there have been documentaries made about this.
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I mean, he is It's fascinating and I don't know why,
but Baumeister, other than here locally, doesn't get near the
attention gay c or Bundy or Richard Ramirez, even though
he's alleged to have killed as many are more people
than these these these guys did, I mean the amount
of bodies they've been able to find on that property
(21:34):
over the years has been a staggering, staggering amount. One
of the issues they've run into is trying to identify
who were the victims were. And the current coroner in
Hamilton County is a guy by the name of Jeff Jealous,
and he's been all over news reports documentaries. I think
Hulu had a big thing a while ago about this.
(21:58):
He has really taken an interest in this case and
has done what he can to one try to keep
the story alive, to try to figure out who these
people are, but also invoke help from universities, outside groups,
et cetera to help identify who these these victims are.
(22:20):
And now there's a new group, a new nonprofit that
is stepping up to try to help identify these remains
found on Baumeister's farm.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, so the Corner's Office they partnered with gen Genie's.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Is that what it is gen Genies. I think that's
how it's pron genies g E N G E n
I E S.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah. So, as you mentioned, it's a nonprofit and they
specialize in investigative genetic genealogy. Trying to speed up the
victim identification. They're working on the case for free, and
they're using DNA and also family trees to help identify
the victims. So at least sevenineen sets of human remains
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have been found at this Fox Hollow farm. Ten of
the victims have been identified. They're reporting that three more
are being close to being named through this DNA analysis
and genealogy, So that means that there are at least
four that are still up in question.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Well, what was interesting about this? And, like I said,
the Hulu documentary kind of went into this a little bit,
but one of the issues they had is because there
was not a societal acceptance of the gay lifestyle like
there is today. Like I'm not talking about what your
personal beliefs are on the topic. I'm talking about like
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people used to literally get beaten for their you know,
if it came out they were gay, et cetera. So
a lot of people hid that lifestyle publicly. It made
them more susceptible to being seduced into unsavory circumstances like
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this because they were not living publicly, but also because
of that life so their family knew about it or whatever.
The reporting mechanism of someone going missing was not what
it is today the police because of the stigma with
the lifestyle. This is what happened with a lot of
the gay sy stuff, right where you'd report some kid
(24:28):
going missing and the police are like, ah, that's just
some transient runaway or oh well he was into so
and so so whatever. The police weren't on it. Probably
the way they should have been. I think some of
the people who were around at the time even admitted that,
not that anybody was doing anything malicious, but you got
a pile of paperwork and you're just getting to what
you get to. So a lot of these people who
may be these victims, their family members never can't afford
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or they're not on the radars what I'm saying, they're
not on the radar of it could be this person.
So when they're trying to do this DNA stuff, one
of the things they're running into is you've got to
a sample to work off of, You've got to have
a family member to work off of to try to
trace does this person's DNA match with any of these
body parts that we have found these victims that we
have found on the property.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So the corner said that the goal is to give
some of the family's long awaited answers and ensure that
the remains are laid to rest. And he said that
they're not going to stop until all the possibilities.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, and WHR had a big xpoze on this, and
I think some other news outlets have done it as well,
And a lot of credit goes to this corner. Jealouson
because he's the guy that when he got in there
sort of said, look, well he reopened the case right right,
And he has sounded the alarm, and he's done interviews
and he's said people died here, okay, and yes it
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was thirty years ago or more, but they still deserve
a proper burial, they deserve to be known. And so
credit to him that he continues to sort of ring
the bell on this, and he sounds like he's got
a new group that's really passionate about trying to help
him out and hopefully they'll be able to put some
more names on these.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They say that there's seventeen sets of human remains, but
they could still be finding more.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh sure, well, who's the horrible I'm forgetting the guy's name.
We had the guy on who owns the property now,
and you know he was it was a fasting interview.
This was a year year or more ago we had
him on, and I'm sorry his name gave me off
the top of my head right now, but he was
a fasting interview about.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How he would find things, yeah, and take it down
to the corner.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Spacious that property is, and certainly I'm sure that there's
stuff there that hasn't been on earth yet. So good.
It's good to hear this. Good and God bless that
coroner that's trying to do this for these for these
victims and for their families.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So more than four hundred National Guard troops from the
thirty eighth Infantry Division, they came home to Indianapolis last night.
Where were they after a year long deployment. They were
part of Operations Spartan Shield in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So they were gone for a year and here is
the governor welcoming them back home.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, it's a long stretched time.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
All it fun.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're serving the state, you're serving.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
The hydry made it back safe.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Foo.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Great to have you back.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I want to get this long hung out, get out,
see your love.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Would you do?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
If I've just been in the Middle East for a year,
the last person I'd want to see is Mike Brawn.
So disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Uh. The governor posted about it with that video and
he said, welcome home to the thirty eighth Infantry Division
of the National Guard. Of course, the National Guard, you know,
the governor in each state.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Is like the chiefs commander chief basically achieve.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Ar of that guard, and he said, thank you for
your eleven months of service abroad. We're glad to have
you back. And the comments are pretty interesting, uh oh,
because they do range from thank you for showing up
for these men and women. This is leadership, complimenting the governor.
(28:16):
But then you go on and somebody else SA's great
work and recognition, governor, keep it up. How about the
sheriff corruption case it disappeared, Oline Alter, Yeah, somebody else said,
commented what you were thinking. We apologe, we Hoosiers, apologize
for you having to listen to this deep state operative.
(28:36):
First thing back, Oh but we love you National Guard.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay, so what are the like You know me, I'm
fully supportive of everybody telling Mike Brown a consistent basis
what a lying, backstabbing, dishonest, deceitful piece of trash that
he is. However, I think on the nash like the
heroic nature of those amongst us posts like if you're
honoring the military or some police officer fireman who did
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something great, or aren't there certain posts where you just
got to be like okay, we'll we'll let this one go.
And if you can't just say thanks for your service.
Probably just don't say anything at all.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, nope, there were many comments. These people don't want
to hear you. They went off the plane to see
their families.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, and it's like, you hate this because Braun deserves
whatever whatever torment he gets. But you know, these people
are just out serving their country, and you know, I
just kind of think maybe I'd leave that one alone
and just scroll to the next post and tell Braun
how Rotteney is.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Ron Quit using the helicopter to fly her from on
the town every five minutes. It's costing taxpayers tons of money.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, what what are we doing? We have one segment
left to do. I don't know if you're keeping trying,
but we have one segment left in our award winning
program today. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We could talk about the College Football Playoffs Selection Committee.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They've got some very interesting new Like I was blown
away that this wasn't already a thing that they.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Were considering emphasis.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, like this this blew my mind. It's like, really,
we didn't do this already. This is very interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It's kind of like Casey, it's ninety three, wibc's a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Casey, Notre Dame is back. Of course, real college football
begins this weekend. There is actually a it's taking place
in Dublin. It's a very weird thing than in Dublin, Ireland.
It's gonna be Iowa State against Kansas State, but those
are two ranked teams. So we have legitimate football this weekend.
And there was this big change that they've made to
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how they're so in college football. I'm assume most people know,
but maybe for those who don't. College football now has
a playoff system. It's much smaller, but it's much like
the NCAA tournament, where there's a selection committee. They picked
twelve teams and then they play in a tournament style.
You know, when you advance, lose, you go home, you're done,
and there is a there is there are criteria that
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they that this committee who picks the teams is supposed
to look at. And one of the things that I
guess now has official weight to it but did not
last year, which blows my mind is the strength of
scheduled that a team played.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yet teams are going to be awarded more for playing
and beating strong opponents.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So for example, I you made it in last year,
with just one regular season loss that was at Ohio State,
and they were in that game for a while and
then ultimately it ended up not being all that closed,
but they were at least some one competitive. However, their
preseason schedule was a complete dumpster fire, and they have
now openly said, because of the way the college football
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playoff system is orchestrated, we're going to keep the goober
team preseason schedule because we just want to win as
many games as we can and we think of they
didn't say this directly, but if they lose only two games,
they'll probably get in being a Big Ten school. So
they said, well, what incentive do we have to play
a tougher schedule and risk a loss versus just piling
up the wins and trying to get through the Big
ten schedule. Now, apparently that is somewhat being addressed based
(32:10):
on there will be an actual weighted portion to the
strength of your schedule.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Not only will teams be rewarded for playing and beating
strong opponents, but losses to weaker teams they're going to
be penalized for that as well. So they say the
purpose of the change is to add objective data points
to help the committee rank the teams more fairly. It
also encourages the teams to schedule tougher opponents, including lots
(32:35):
of non conference play. It aims to prevent easier schedules
from being unfairly rewarded, and it addresses some of the
past controversies like the Indiana game that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, so this this will be very interesting to see
how this plays out this year because I I don't
mean to be I'm not trying to be callous by
saying this, but nobody cares about Boise State like nobody
cares about Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Uce you're into that blue end zone.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well right, I mean, you know, And and Boise State
had arguably the best player in college football last year,
the running back Jante who is now at the Raiders.
And Arizona State had the Scataboo kid who was like
a bowling ball and that was fun to watch. But
in terms of hey, we're putting our best feet forward here,
in terms of a national audience, let's face it, ninety
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percent of the interest is Big ten and SEC and
everything else. You know, some acc to a certain extent,
but it's just a bunch of also rans. So it'll
be interesting to see. This is a business, it's television product.
They're doing this. They went to this playoff system to
make money. And in terms of making money from advertisers,
what you care most about our eyeballs on your product?
And there are a lot more people going to watch
(33:47):
the fifth or sixth best team in the Big ten
versus Boise State. I'm sorry. So it'll be very fascina
to see how this thing continues to evolve as they
try to figure out how to maximize the profit out
of it.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So the first ranking will be November fourth, that's right,
first Notre Dame game.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
August. Well, I was going to say, it's what it's too,
it's next. It's next week, right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
August thirty first, seven thirty.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah against Miami. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, it's a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It is a Sunday. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Labor Day
is September first, which is Monday. I got a shoot?
What I got a bartend that night?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh, well, maybe they'll have a TV there. Where are
you bartending at the golf club?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I am doing a private event.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh you were hired out?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
If I was hired out, I come in for your.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
For your witty, well parkling conversation abilities. I did this,
will you mix a cocktail?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I did this two years ago a person who I
know very well. They have a big get together with
all their friends and they were like, people would love
to meet Rob Kendall and have him serve them drinks.
So they hired me to come out and apparently went
well enough that they said, hey, we'd love to have
you come.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Back, come back to it again.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I accepted this engagement.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Not realizing, not realizing the day play on a Sunday.
Do you think you would get more attractive to those partygoers?
Is than I cos on if you do your job
correctly right?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I look, I love the bartending like I would not
I would not want to be a like career bartender,
but I love doing the one ops. If you want
me to like your event, let me know Rob at
WIBC dot com. I love going to meeting people. It's
perfect for me. I can do it. You know. It's
a few hours of time, five six hours skooodle on
out the door with a wat of hundreds in my
(35:36):
pocket and go about my life.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You're a great conversationalists. You ask a lot of questions.
Don you meet new people, I make.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
You feel like I actually care.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That things to say right before you do it?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, I've al'd even hired for this one case, they
cannot hire me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Okay, do you have any idea what most people say
is the perfect salary? The average perfect salary that Americans
would say would make them fine financially.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Have fifty three billion.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
No, it's a reasonable number. Like I'm not talking like
I want to make a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, this depends on where you live, right, because one
hundred thousand dollars in Indiana can get you a middle
class life that probably couldn't stretch nearly as far in
say New York, right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Or California. Here in Indiana, well, this is in India.
The average perfect salary that would make you feel financially
happy is much higher than what the actual average salary is.
But it's not it's one hundred and fifty thousand, much lower.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's lower.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Seventy four thousand. Oh, that's the average perfect salary the people. So, yeah,
that puts me in a good.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Pay Yes, And you know a big part of it
is how much work do you want to do? Like
I don't want to do work. I've worked enough. That's
why I like this job. Right There's other jobs I
could go to, probably and make more money, but I
have someone who does all the work for me, puts
up with me. I'm out the door at noon and
I go home and take my nap and watch my stories.
(36:56):
I mean, I'm not getting I'm not getting rid of that.
I'd you know. I think it depends on what level
of motivation you're at in your life, how much you
want to work. And there's a lot of people who
make more money, but they're not necessarily happy in their career,
but they like the money more than they like the
happiness at the workplace.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Speaking of working, more than a third of Americans are
actively looking for a new job right now.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Very good every Thursday, I think that's going to be us.
But we've apparently made it to the end of the
show and nobody said come see us, So I think
we've got another week to go.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Casey, check your email. Thank you, thank you, BROV, thank
you Kevin, thank you for listening today. It's Kendallly Casey
on ninety three WIBC
I'm feeling good, casey good. I'm feeling good, feeling good,
looking good. It seems like humanity is starting to catch
on to what a nightmare AI is becoming and how
it's going to screw all of us in the end.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Are you afraid of it?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Well? Like it's like, are you afraid of the dark?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Like?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I mean, I just know how it's going to end, right,
I mean if you look at like, just take our
industry for example, Matt Matt Hibblin and I are our boss.
We were having this conversation because he's an old timey
radio guy like I am, you know, and we're talking
about how technology is what.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
If you guys are old timey.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Well, you know, I'm saying we've been in this business,
you know, longer than a decade, right, And we were
talking about how much the business itself has changed, and
the role that technology played in so much of that. Right,
And we've talked about a variety of different things. But
even in the pre artificial intelligence days, technology d radically
(01:00):
changed the radio industry, and not for the better. Technology
was a big reason that corporations took over our industry.
Big reason corporations took over the television industry because you
can program and you experienced this, right, Yeah, you were
(01:20):
once on a radio show that was heard in what
sixteen different markets?
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Are sixteen markets here? Right?
Speaker 1 (01:26):
And because and we talked about this before, you've got
people in different cities that are doing breaks for here
in Indianapolis, right. And that's when the corporations, as technology
began to take over in the mid to late nineties
and said, hey, we can run twenty radio stations for
(01:50):
what it costs used to cost to run three radio
stations right now. Doesn't mean they're run better, doesn't mean
the programming is better, doesn't mean the content's better, doesn't
mean it's serving the community better, which was always the
premise of community radio and television. You're supposed to serve
the community. It's why they still give you the station
id right. Well, oftimes, the station idea has nothing to
do with where the thing is physically located anymore. And
(02:14):
obviously we have just seen that play out in this industry.
It's been for many, many people, the death of their employment,
the death of careers in radio, television, you name it.
And we've seen this in a variety of fields. Right
as technology has come in it has made the human
element completely unnecessary. It's put people out of work. Oftentimes
(02:36):
it's people who have spent decades in careers, fields, whatever,
and now you're just putting it on some sort of
megasteroid with this artificial intelligence, and within five years there's
gonna be a lot of people that aren't going to
be necessary anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Yeah. Absolutely, so this is just the next evolution. I
can recall as a young baby disc jockey, and that's
why they call them disc jockeys because you spun platters
either do you actually wouldn't you are albums?
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Are you old enough that you actually spun records? You
never spun records? Yes they did, Oh you did not.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
AM fourteen ninety WSDS, SUDDS Country.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They didn't have CDs.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Well, it was integrated, so that was the next level
things went digital. On the compact disc.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
You actually put a record on a record player and
played it on the radio.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yes, no kidding, Yeah, I didn't know you were that.
You queue it up and then you gotta slide it
back just a little bit so that when you hit
the podcast on, it's caught its speed up.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
There was there was a time where you used to
have a have to have a broadcaster's license. Did you
ever actually get had to.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Get an actual I'm FCC certified.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Oh, you had to get the actual license it. I
don't think I've even gone into radio. If I'd known
there would have been paperwork involved in it. I just
had to walk right in to the portal.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Now it's no big deal. But this is just the
next evolution, because it was you know, it went from
the albums and the forty fives to the digital era
with the CDs, and then the automation when everything went
from CDs to MP three's and computerized.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
So to answer your question, and I know we went
about this in the long way, but if I'd have
been in radio, like I'm not trying to be facetious
when to say this, Matt, Matt and I have talked
about this quite a bit. I was born in the
wrong like time. If I could have been in radio
in the nineteen eighties, I'd been a millionaire, like because
of how radio was paid, how the personalities were propped up,
(04:27):
the endorsement opportunities, et cetera. Like the business has just changed.
I do fine, right, Like I'm not in a soup line.
But twenty years makes or thirty years makes a world
of difference in a technological an industry that's been totally
taken over in many cases by technology. And so to
answer your question on this, I'm not afraid of Like,
I don't think it's going to be like Terminator right
(04:49):
away where the robots take over humanity or launched the
launched the big One. But I do worry in a
thriving country, countries that do will have a thriving middle
class in which the middle class is continuously being lifted up.
And what we've seen in this country is the tippy
top people do disgustingly well, and yet the middle class
(05:13):
is moving downward. And countries that have great wealth divides
usually end up in turmoil. And that is what I fear.
That this technological advance is too rapid, its two pass
and is going to displace too many people who won't
be able to have a buffer zone to acquire necessary
skill sets to continue to maintain their middle class stature, right.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
And that's part of it. You have to keep those
skill sets going. And you have no idea what we
see AI today what it will be in four years
from now. No, we use radio as an example, so
we're already seeing the next evolution. There's Alpha Media, which
is a big company. They have AI disc jockeys. It's
(05:56):
not even a human anymore talking on the air. But
according to this Reuter's poll, seventy one percent of Americans
they're concerned the AI will permanently replace too many jobs.
They're also very concerned that it's going to stir up
political chaos, especially through deep fake videos. We've heard a
lot about that recently, and an example would be you
(06:19):
might recall Donald Trump shared an AI generated video of
Barack Obama being arrested. Yes, well that was an event
that actually never occurred, Yes, but its sure did look real.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Well, and you know, my wife works in this field,
not in the field of artificial intelligence, but in the
technology field, and she deals with this stuff quite a bit.
And she said, the thing people don't realize right now
is AI is stupid. She said, people like, it looks
great to the average person, but she's take to people
like me who see it in the the behind the scenes,
(06:52):
for lack of a better term, She's like, AI is
really stupid. She said, in the next five years, AI
is going to get I think you guys have had
this conversation before that, AI is going to get and
once I get smart, all bets are off. And that
is what humanity is not ready for. Is this because
it's continuously learning. It is like the movies in the
sense it is continually teaching itself. It's growing, it's evolving,
and it will surpass humans at some point. I don't
(07:15):
know when that will be, but that's going to be
a real danger.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Yep. So Americans are very divided on it, and like
you said, seventy one percent are fearing that it's going
to replace their job. I believe it was Pope Leo
who was saying that it was one of his top
priorities because of its dehumanization ability.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Sure. No, absolutely, So to answer your question, no, I
don't fear it like it's going to get me in
the middle of the night. I fear it though that
it is going to create in immense chaos on our economy.
And it's one thing to say to people, Hey, ten
years from now, the landscape's going to look different than
(07:57):
it does. You need to get some sort of secondary
edge cation or skill set or whatever and give people
and society and our education system itself time to prepare
and train people. This is in real time. Two years
from now, things are going to be different than they
much different than they are today. Societies are like dinosaurs, right,
They're not meant to evolve quickly. They're slow, right, Like
(08:20):
there's preparation things. Things happen the Internet, Like we didn't
just wake up one day and everybody had Facebook. There
was an evolution of that. There was an evolution of
social media, from dial up to email to all that stuff. Right,
this is like it's just smacking together in real time.
And I just don't think I don't think people are ready.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
According to this poll, sixty one percent of people are
concerned about the electricity demand. Oh yeah, boy, wou priored
to power AI? And it's everybody's I think, has a
different take on this right now. I just saw an
article yesterday. It was up on Drudge and the title
of the article was, have we reached the AI pinnacle?
(09:00):
It's like the AI bust. It's over. This is as
far as it's going to go. And then you hear
from other people saying, oh, no, you have no idea
what things are going to look like in four years.
Oh no, nobody knows.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
No, you're no, it's we're in big trouble, but we'll
do it together as long as they need us, until
they can have AI people do talk radio, then we'll
do it together. All right, Okay, when we come back
tomorrow night, Casey is a big night here in central Indiana.
Across the state of Indiana, high school football is back.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
And you know, I was thinking because when I was
growing up, high school football in Indiana was like an
also ran, Like yeah, there are people went to the
games and it was fine, but it was always just
this like precursor to high school basketball. Everyone's like, let's
just get through the fall, let's get to the winner.
Basketball's back, baby, And now high school football is the thing.
(09:49):
I mean, thousands of people in every community across the
state that has a home football game tomorrow night are
gonna be flooding in. Football is now king. And I thought,
let's get some perspective on why Indian has changed in
the sports landscape, and let's talk about there's going to
be some great teams. Our old pal, yeah, John Herrick,
the news director, excellent. He is mister high school football
(10:10):
broadcaster man. He does the Bob Lovel Show, and now
we're Indiana. He's going to join us next to talk
about what's going on in high school football.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
It's Kennelly Casey on ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Casey tomorrow night. High school football is back in the
state of Indiana. High school football is king now at
various fine public and private institutions across the state of Indiana.
Thousands of people will be flooding in.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And I want to know, were you an athletic supporter
or an athlete?
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I was in the student newspaper I wrote this will
shock you. Yeah, I was infamous for writing very critical
articles about the sports teams.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Do you get bullied for that?
Speaker 1 (10:52):
No, because they knew I'd just write something worse about
him the next month. John Herrick, News director e Stordina
here at WIBC jointed now because you are an acclaimed,
award winning sports broadcaster on Friday nights.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Well, I don't know about that, but it is a
passion of mine. I've been doing it since really college.
I was at you know, when I was at De
Paul University, we did a Putnam County Game of the
week on WGR. We'd go to Greencastle, Monrovia, North Putt,
South Putnam, wherever we wanted to go, and that's where
it all started. And I did it, you know, in Montana, Oklahoma,
and now I'm back here doing it again.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
For I s we are of similar age. I am
a few years older than you. But when we were kids,
as I just alluded to last segment of Casey, basketball
was king. Football was just sort of like something that
we just wasted time to get to basketball. And now
football has permanently taken over as king of everything.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
How and why did that happen? I think a couple
of reasons. One, all these schools have made a ton
of investments in their sports program. I know I'm going
to probably trigger Rob when I say this, Casey, but
there have been there for end of money at some schools.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
The tax pairents. You're right, exactly, The money fairy did
not do this. We have done this.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
I know that a lot of schools have made upgrades
to their football infrastructure. They've gotten video boards, they've gotten
all kinds of really cool gadgets and gizmos, and fans
love that. I also think that fans, at least from
what who I talk with, they're so irritated by either
the NFL or the college football landscape. With the NIL
(12:25):
and transfer portal that I think that they feel that
high school football is like the last pure thing left
that they feel is not as corrupted by money as
college or the NFL. So I think, like Friday nights,
people feel like is is sacred to them. That's why
you have such great attendance.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Now, Yeah, because when I first started broadcasting high school
football games back in the dark ages, many many years ago,
it was like people went. The people that were there
were passionate, but they were often horribly maintained grass field
and there was some bad high school track around the
stadium and you were hoping the bleachers and the press
(13:07):
box didn't cave in. And Nowah, especially in the Central
Indiana school districts, their stadiums are literally better than college stadiums.
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. I mean, it's funny you say that,
because I can't tell you how many times I've been
to high school football complexes in Indiana or Oklahoma or
Texas that are better than some of the other colleges
I've been to. And it's because people. I think when
we were kids, people complained about how bad those facilities were,
and that is what got the ball rolling towards more investment.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
As usual, we sacrificed, we crawled, so that others may
now Olympic sprint. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Yes, two hundred and fifty five high schools have football teams.
You've got what six tiers of classes. Do you think
part of the popularity is because obviously a football team
is much larger than a basketball team, more people can anticipate.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I definitely think it's part of it. And then
you do have the tailgate atmosphere behind it, you know
where people can just I mean I go to these
parking lots on Friday nights walking into the stadium and
it's just a full on party.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Do people recognize you? Do they offer you a cold
beer on your way into the stadium, Hey, that's newsman
John Herrick.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
They absolutely do not, nor do they care. They might
notice me if I have my ISC shirt on, because
Greg Reigstraw and the great folks at the ISIC Sports
Network have grown that brand into something really special. But
I also think that people there are so many streaming
options that people can use, so if they can't make
it to the game, they don't necessarily have to pay.
(14:41):
Sometimes they do, but there's a lot of free options
to watch the game if you can't make it. I
think that's also helped.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
You know who one of the original sports streamers for
high school sports in Indianas Casey.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Was it Robcastery.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
It was me Audio Sports Online. I had like one
hundred schools. I have been displaced by taxpayer funded technology.
They put me out of a job.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, just like a all.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Right, so you do television for a group called Internet
Television for a group called ISC. Yes, and it's like
a big It's not just like some guy in the
press box with the handheld camera, like it's a big hole, hey, Rube,
Like you got on field cameras and everything.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Yes, Yeah, And it goes to a truck and there's
a guy running replay. It's yeah, there's several camera operators
on site. It's really cool.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Is it? Like? I hated doing play by play on
television because I like to talk and aren't you supposed
to like let the picture tell the story? Is it
hard to be a television play by play man?
Speaker 4 (15:34):
There is, there's a lot of nuance to it. But
one of my favorite broadcasting veterans is Kevin Harlan, and
I've always been very impressed with how he can do
both radio and TV, so I've tried to like really
lean into that, and I have had to work with
a couple of talent coaches on how to do TV
because they're like, you're talking too much this, oh yeah,
so you have to learn to dial it back. And
(15:55):
then also like once you describe the play, let the
analyst jump in and break down why that happened, and
then the replay can do the rest.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
John Herrick is our guest. We're talking about high school
fotball begins tomorrow night, Casey. You know, I had it
down to such a science. At one point, I was
capable of running my own camera. I had a headset
and I could do play by play and if somebody
didn't show up, this was to run the camera. I
could do all the things at the same time.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
You're like the musician who plays the drums and guitar
in harmonica and.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Sing might be part of why I went out of business.
All right, So John, you you cover all these schools
here in Central Indiana. Who are some of the teams
this year that people are going to be focused on?
Speaker 4 (16:31):
The ones in Central Indiana that I think are going
to be the biggest ones to look out for I'm
going to trigger brob again here, Casey. But Brownsburg, well, I.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Mean, we've spent nine to jillion dollars on the football
stadium and we have a second football stadium. Now did
you know this? They built a second football stadium on
a practice field right next to the football stadium, so
in case, I guess, I don't know, if the football
game spills out of the current stadium, it can continue
on the next Why why would you need two football stadiums?
(17:02):
What possible reason would there be for two.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Versus?
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's what it is? Yeah, boy, howdy we anyway, so
we're funding one of the best teams known demand there
in the town of Brownsburg. That's great.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
They were thirteen and one last year, have a lot
of people back, so I'm sure they'll be good again.
Center Grove who came close to beating Brownsburg and has
a lot of people back. They'll be a contender in
six A New Palestine. Shocker to hear say this. I
mean they had to move up to class at five
A because they won the four A state championship.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
They got eighteen.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Starters back, so eighteen yeah, yeah, Kyle Ralph has just
they just it seems like they reload at New Pallette here.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
How did they choose what games you go do? Are
they like Herrick, you want this game or anything? No,
I don't know, that's gonna be boring. I have a
little bit of a choice. But it's also based on
what they can sell and what the what the sales
team can do, and also where they might be established.
So if they're if I sees.
Speaker 4 (17:56):
Like, hey, we got a really good audience up in
the northern part of the state or up in the
southern out in the southern part of the state, we
might have to send you there.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
It just kind of all depends. There's a lot of circumplances.
One of the reasons I had to get out of
this case, he was, you know, I don't like to
leave my house and Friday night, well, the Friday night
football thing. It's why I stopped going to the to
the games is it's an eyemare. It takes like an
hour to get in, an hour to get out. You
got to get there an hour early. It's like a
seven or eight hour endeavor. And there's people people. Oh yeah, yeah,
(18:26):
those people.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
John, do you ever follow any teams in other parts
of the state?
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
So I've done a lot of games at like Cascade
or I still follow teams in Putnam County just because
I went to DePaul University and is in Putnam County.
One story that I'm fascinated to see if this will
go well this year is North Central. I'm going to
be covering them a lot. They have had three straight
seasons where they have gone winless. Oh, but they have
(18:51):
a new coach turning around that they He is talking confidently,
maybe not Kurt Signetti level talking confidently, but he is
speaking like, Hey, we got leadership here. We can turn
things around. And it'll be interesting to see if they
can break the streak. And the first game that I
have tomorrow night is them playing against Rebuff. Rebuff lost
some people, they'll be down a little bit. North Central
(19:12):
be a little bit better, so they have a chance
to break the streak right off the bat.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
Do you think because I saw this in West Virginia,
maybe it was where they're proving some sort of nil.
Do you think that's ever gonna happen here, that high
school kids are gonna be able to be paid to
play high school sports.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I don't get the sense. Again, I don't know the
IHSA Commissioner, Paul Knidig super well. But I know him
well enough to hear him when he talks about that stuffs.
He seems very apprehensive about it. And he's only open
to transferring kids transferring to a different school if it's
like they full on moved or they had a really
good reason for moving out of one area into another
(19:50):
one so that they would allow a kid to transfer
to play to different school. But man paying high school
football players or high school athletes in Indiana, that seems
like a bit of a stretch at this point, but
you never know. It seemed like a stretch for college
players at one point. And here we are.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
Where can people find you, like on the internet tomorrow
night if they're like, I need more John Herrick in
my life. The newscast is just not enough. Give me
some football.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
John Herrick is Sportsnetwork dot com or you can download
the ISIC app IIC Sports Network app and you can
watch games for free on there.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
So John Herrick, thank you, Thank you, guys.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Thanks you're listening to Kendall and Casey. It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
So there's an update on the Herb Baumeister case, which
sounds weird because he's been no longer with us for
a very long time, but just a reset for people
who don't know herb Bowmeister is a famed.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
Serial killer.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Yeah, I believed to have killed dozens of men in
the nineties.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Lived up in Westfield and at the time was a
very secluded area, and he was alleged to have not
only killed they killed these gay men, but also lured
them to his home and then disposed of their bodies
on his property. And there have been documentaries made about this.
(21:13):
I mean, he is It's fascinating and I don't know why,
but Baumeister, other than here locally, doesn't get near the
attention gay c or Bundy or Richard Ramirez, even though
he's alleged to have killed as many are more people
than these these these guys did, I mean the amount
of bodies they've been able to find on that property
(21:34):
over the years has been a staggering, staggering amount. One
of the issues they've run into is trying to identify
who were the victims were. And the current coroner in
Hamilton County is a guy by the name of Jeff Jealous,
and he's been all over news reports documentaries. I think
Hulu had a big thing a while ago about this.
(21:58):
He has really taken an interest in this case and
has done what he can to one try to keep
the story alive, to try to figure out who these
people are, but also invoke help from universities, outside groups,
et cetera to help identify who these these victims are.
(22:20):
And now there's a new group, a new nonprofit that
is stepping up to try to help identify these remains
found on Baumeister's farm.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, so the Corner's Office they partnered with gen Genie's.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Is that what it is gen Genies. I think that's
how it's pron genies g E N G E n
I E S.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
Yeah. So, as you mentioned, it's a nonprofit and they
specialize in investigative genetic genealogy. Trying to speed up the
victim identification. They're working on the case for free, and
they're using DNA and also family trees to help identify
the victims. So at least sevenineen sets of human remains
(23:02):
have been found at this Fox Hollow farm. Ten of
the victims have been identified. They're reporting that three more
are being close to being named through this DNA analysis
and genealogy, So that means that there are at least
four that are still up in question.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Well, what was interesting about this? And, like I said,
the Hulu documentary kind of went into this a little bit,
but one of the issues they had is because there
was not a societal acceptance of the gay lifestyle like
there is today. Like I'm not talking about what your
personal beliefs are on the topic. I'm talking about like
(23:43):
people used to literally get beaten for their you know,
if it came out they were gay, et cetera. So
a lot of people hid that lifestyle publicly. It made
them more susceptible to being seduced into unsavory circumstances like
(24:05):
this because they were not living publicly, but also because
of that life so their family knew about it or whatever.
The reporting mechanism of someone going missing was not what
it is today the police because of the stigma with
the lifestyle. This is what happened with a lot of
the gay sy stuff, right where you'd report some kid
(24:28):
going missing and the police are like, ah, that's just
some transient runaway or oh well he was into so
and so so whatever. The police weren't on it. Probably
the way they should have been. I think some of
the people who were around at the time even admitted that,
not that anybody was doing anything malicious, but you got
a pile of paperwork and you're just getting to what
you get to. So a lot of these people who
may be these victims, their family members never can't afford
(24:54):
or they're not on the radars what I'm saying, they're
not on the radar of it could be this person.
So when they're trying to do this DNA stuff, one
of the things they're running into is you've got to
a sample to work off of, You've got to have
a family member to work off of to try to
trace does this person's DNA match with any of these
body parts that we have found these victims that we
have found on the property.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
So the corner said that the goal is to give
some of the family's long awaited answers and ensure that
the remains are laid to rest. And he said that
they're not going to stop until all the possibilities.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, and WHR had a big xpoze on this, and
I think some other news outlets have done it as well,
And a lot of credit goes to this corner. Jealouson
because he's the guy that when he got in there
sort of said, look, well he reopened the case right right,
And he has sounded the alarm, and he's done interviews
and he's said people died here, okay, and yes it
(25:50):
was thirty years ago or more, but they still deserve
a proper burial, they deserve to be known. And so
credit to him that he continues to sort of ring
the bell on this, and he sounds like he's got
a new group that's really passionate about trying to help
him out and hopefully they'll be able to put some
more names on these.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
They say that there's seventeen sets of human remains, but
they could still be finding more.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
Oh sure, well, who's the horrible I'm forgetting the guy's name.
We had the guy on who owns the property now,
and you know he was it was a fasting interview.
This was a year year or more ago we had
him on, and I'm sorry his name gave me off
the top of my head right now, but he was
a fasting interview about.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
How he would find things, yeah, and take it down
to the corner.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Spacious that property is, and certainly I'm sure that there's
stuff there that hasn't been on earth yet. So good.
It's good to hear this. Good and God bless that
coroner that's trying to do this for these for these
victims and for their families.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
So more than four hundred National Guard troops from the
thirty eighth Infantry Division, they came home to Indianapolis last night.
Where were they after a year long deployment. They were
part of Operations Spartan Shield in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Okay, very good.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
So they were gone for a year and here is
the governor welcoming them back home.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Yeah, it's a long stretched time.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
All it fun.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
You're serving the state, you're serving.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
The hydry made it back safe.
Speaker 4 (27:19):
Foo.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Great to have you back.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I want to get this long hung out, get out,
see your love.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
Would you do?
Speaker 2 (27:27):
Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
If I've just been in the Middle East for a year,
the last person I'd want to see is Mike Brawn.
So disagree.
Speaker 2 (27:41):
Uh. The governor posted about it with that video and
he said, welcome home to the thirty eighth Infantry Division
of the National Guard. Of course, the National Guard, you know,
the governor in each state.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Is like the chiefs commander chief basically achieve.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Ar of that guard, and he said, thank you for
your eleven months of service abroad. We're glad to have
you back. And the comments are pretty interesting, uh oh,
because they do range from thank you for showing up
for these men and women. This is leadership, complimenting the governor.
(28:16):
But then you go on and somebody else SA's great
work and recognition, governor, keep it up. How about the
sheriff corruption case it disappeared, Oline Alter, Yeah, somebody else said,
commented what you were thinking. We apologe, we Hoosiers, apologize
for you having to listen to this deep state operative.
(28:36):
First thing back, Oh but we love you National Guard.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Okay, so what are the like You know me, I'm
fully supportive of everybody telling Mike Brown a consistent basis
what a lying, backstabbing, dishonest, deceitful piece of trash that
he is. However, I think on the nash like the
heroic nature of those amongst us posts like if you're
honoring the military or some police officer fireman who did
(29:04):
something great, or aren't there certain posts where you just
got to be like okay, we'll we'll let this one go.
And if you can't just say thanks for your service.
Probably just don't say anything at all.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, nope, there were many comments. These people don't want
to hear you. They went off the plane to see
their families.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, and it's like, you hate this because Braun deserves
whatever whatever torment he gets. But you know, these people
are just out serving their country, and you know, I
just kind of think maybe I'd leave that one alone
and just scroll to the next post and tell Braun
how Rotteney is.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Ron Quit using the helicopter to fly her from on
the town every five minutes. It's costing taxpayers tons of money.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah, what what are we doing? We have one segment
left to do. I don't know if you're keeping trying,
but we have one segment left in our award winning
program today. What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (29:53):
We could talk about the College Football Playoffs Selection Committee.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
They've got some very interesting new Like I was blown
away that this wasn't already a thing that they.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
Were considering emphasis.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Yeah, like this this blew my mind. It's like, really,
we didn't do this already. This is very interesting to me.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
It's kind of like Casey, it's ninety three, wibc's a
couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Casey, Notre Dame is back. Of course, real college football
begins this weekend. There is actually a it's taking place
in Dublin. It's a very weird thing than in Dublin, Ireland.
It's gonna be Iowa State against Kansas State, but those
are two ranked teams. So we have legitimate football this weekend.
And there was this big change that they've made to
(30:41):
how they're so in college football. I'm assume most people know,
but maybe for those who don't. College football now has
a playoff system. It's much smaller, but it's much like
the NCAA tournament, where there's a selection committee. They picked
twelve teams and then they play in a tournament style.
You know, when you advance, lose, you go home, you're done,
and there is a there is there are criteria that
(31:06):
they that this committee who picks the teams is supposed
to look at. And one of the things that I
guess now has official weight to it but did not
last year, which blows my mind is the strength of
scheduled that a team played.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Yet teams are going to be awarded more for playing
and beating strong opponents.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
So for example, I you made it in last year,
with just one regular season loss that was at Ohio State,
and they were in that game for a while and
then ultimately it ended up not being all that closed,
but they were at least some one competitive. However, their
preseason schedule was a complete dumpster fire, and they have
now openly said, because of the way the college football
(31:48):
playoff system is orchestrated, we're going to keep the goober
team preseason schedule because we just want to win as
many games as we can and we think of they
didn't say this directly, but if they lose only two games,
they'll probably get in being a Big Ten school. So
they said, well, what incentive do we have to play
a tougher schedule and risk a loss versus just piling
up the wins and trying to get through the Big
ten schedule. Now, apparently that is somewhat being addressed based
(32:10):
on there will be an actual weighted portion to the
strength of your schedule.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Not only will teams be rewarded for playing and beating
strong opponents, but losses to weaker teams they're going to
be penalized for that as well. So they say the
purpose of the change is to add objective data points
to help the committee rank the teams more fairly. It
also encourages the teams to schedule tougher opponents, including lots
(32:35):
of non conference play. It aims to prevent easier schedules
from being unfairly rewarded, and it addresses some of the
past controversies like the Indiana game that you mentioned.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
Yeah, so this this will be very interesting to see
how this plays out this year because I I don't
mean to be I'm not trying to be callous by
saying this, but nobody cares about Boise State like nobody
cares about Arizona State.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Uce you're into that blue end zone.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well right, I mean, you know, And and Boise State
had arguably the best player in college football last year,
the running back Jante who is now at the Raiders.
And Arizona State had the Scataboo kid who was like
a bowling ball and that was fun to watch. But
in terms of hey, we're putting our best feet forward here,
in terms of a national audience, let's face it, ninety
(33:26):
percent of the interest is Big ten and SEC and
everything else. You know, some acc to a certain extent,
but it's just a bunch of also rans. So it'll
be interesting to see. This is a business, it's television product.
They're doing this. They went to this playoff system to
make money. And in terms of making money from advertisers,
what you care most about our eyeballs on your product?
And there are a lot more people going to watch
(33:47):
the fifth or sixth best team in the Big ten
versus Boise State. I'm sorry. So it'll be very fascina
to see how this thing continues to evolve as they
try to figure out how to maximize the profit out
of it.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
So the first ranking will be November fourth, that's right,
first Notre Dame game.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
August. Well, I was going to say, it's what it's too,
it's next. It's next week, right.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
August thirty first, seven thirty.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah against Miami. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's a Saturday.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
No, it's a Sunday.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
It is a Sunday. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Labor Day
is September first, which is Monday. I got a shoot?
What I got a bartend that night?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Oh, well, maybe they'll have a TV there. Where are
you bartending at the golf club?
Speaker 1 (34:27):
I am doing a private event.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Oh you were hired out?
Speaker 1 (34:30):
If I was hired out, I come in for your.
Speaker 2 (34:33):
For your witty, well parkling conversation abilities. I did this,
will you mix a cocktail?
Speaker 1 (34:38):
I did this two years ago a person who I
know very well. They have a big get together with
all their friends and they were like, people would love
to meet Rob Kendall and have him serve them drinks.
So they hired me to come out and apparently went
well enough that they said, hey, we'd love to have
you come.
Speaker 2 (34:57):
Back, come back to it again.
Speaker 1 (34:58):
And I accepted this engagement.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Not realizing, not realizing the day play on a Sunday.
Do you think you would get more attractive to those partygoers?
Is than I cos on if you do your job
correctly right?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
I look, I love the bartending like I would not
I would not want to be a like career bartender,
but I love doing the one ops. If you want
me to like your event, let me know Rob at
WIBC dot com. I love going to meeting people. It's
perfect for me. I can do it. You know. It's
a few hours of time, five six hours skooodle on
out the door with a wat of hundreds in my
(35:36):
pocket and go about my life.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
You're a great conversationalists. You ask a lot of questions.
Don you meet new people, I make.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
You feel like I actually care.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That things to say right before you do it?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Okay, I've al'd even hired for this one case, they
cannot hire me.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Okay, do you have any idea what most people say
is the perfect salary? The average perfect salary that Americans
would say would make them fine financially.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
Have fifty three billion.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
No, it's a reasonable number. Like I'm not talking like
I want to make a million dollars.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Well, this depends on where you live, right, because one
hundred thousand dollars in Indiana can get you a middle
class life that probably couldn't stretch nearly as far in
say New York, right.
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Or California. Here in Indiana, well, this is in India.
The average perfect salary that would make you feel financially
happy is much higher than what the actual average salary is.
But it's not it's one hundred and fifty thousand, much lower.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
It's lower.
Speaker 2 (36:29):
Seventy four thousand. Oh, that's the average perfect salary the people. So, yeah,
that puts me in a good.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Pay Yes, And you know a big part of it
is how much work do you want to do? Like
I don't want to do work. I've worked enough. That's
why I like this job. Right There's other jobs I
could go to, probably and make more money, but I
have someone who does all the work for me, puts
up with me. I'm out the door at noon and
I go home and take my nap and watch my stories.
(36:56):
I mean, I'm not getting I'm not getting rid of that.
I'd you know. I think it depends on what level
of motivation you're at in your life, how much you
want to work. And there's a lot of people who
make more money, but they're not necessarily happy in their career,
but they like the money more than they like the
happiness at the workplace.
Speaker 2 (37:14):
Speaking of working, more than a third of Americans are
actively looking for a new job right now.
Speaker 1 (37:21):
Very good every Thursday, I think that's going to be us.
But we've apparently made it to the end of the
show and nobody said come see us, So I think
we've got another week to go.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Casey, check your email. Thank you, thank you, BROV, thank
you Kevin, thank you for listening today. It's Kendallly Casey
on ninety three WIBC
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!