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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Boy, the lottery looks like it could be in some trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
They barely didn't make as much money as they have
in past years.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So Hannah News Service has the report and yeah, I
mean so okay. So let's let's set up before we
give the details. You can give the details, Casey, but
let me explain how the lottery in the state of
Indiana works for for people who may not be aware.
The lottery is what we call da da da da
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quasi government entity. That means it's basically it's run by
an outside firm, so the state has ultimate control over it.
The state does not run the actual lottery. They hire
a private firm to run and administer the lottery, and
then the state gets money back and then the company
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gets to keep a portion. There's a I think there's
a target they have to hit, and anything above that
they keep a portion of the proceeds. So the company
running the lottery incentivis to make more money because they
make more money, and then more money should be going
back to the state. I've also told this I once
a I know our longtime listeners will know, but we
have new listeners all the time. I once interviewed for
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the I believe it was the communications position with the lottery. Yeah.
I was trying desperately to get the hell out of
the Indiana State House, and somebody was like, you would
be perfect for this, and they arrange for me to
go over there and interview. And I thought, oh, well,
these people are fun. They're gonna go to ride fun games,
Christmas trees, candy canes.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah right, No, not so much.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Sat down and looked right at them, and uh said,
I thought I'd try a little joke at the beginning.
I said, so before we get started, just how rigged
is the lottery?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
The interview went downhill from there, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
In the comedies where there's just crickets chirping in the
background when people stare at you. Okay, I'll show myself
out now, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do you not think you were a serious canidate? In fairness?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And they didn't think I was a serious candidate want
to show up here either, And they did find me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Do you remember any other questions they asked you in
the interview? Did you have to do the standard? What
are your weakness in? No, no, this job.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I made some comment to him about like they were
basically like a willy Wonka Factory and they didn't go
over well either, and I was like, I said something
like I bet all you guys just do is have
fun all day. And that didn't go over well either,
and it was just like, no, remember in.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Them, they're responsible for millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Have you ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Okay, last us here and we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Have you seen the movie Missus Doubtfire?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Remember when? So like again, I'm sure most people know,
very famous movie. Robin Williams plays this unemployed actor who
starts stressing as an old woman so he can see
his kids more often as their nanny. And when he
first gets goes to the unemployment office, the lady asked
him what do you do and he says, well, I
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do voices, and she has no idea what that means,
and so it's just classic Robin Williams. He's doing all
these impressions of different things and it's hilarious. And then
at the end he goes through all these voices and
the lady it's just she's a very famous I'm sure
she's probably no longer with us now because this movie
was thirty plus years ago, but she just dead pans
at him. No reaction, no smile, no nothing, and says
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something like, do you consider yourself to be humorous? And
he says something like, there was a there was a
time where I consider myself funny, but today you have
proven me wrong. And for that I failure that day.
But that was me. All the way out the door.
I was like, well, I better on get a second
interview with those people.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I'm just so curious what else they asked you.
But at the end of the interview, did you ask
for the job? Did you say I want this job?
How can we make this happen?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
No? I think I think I knew like I didn't
want that job at that scene. I'm pushing it you, okay,
I mean you got to understand, like I I've never
really done interviews at this point, because like, I'm not
trying to be like smart when I say this. I
had owned my own businesses for what ten years? Yeah,
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I went begrudgingly into the state House at someone else's
beheston request. It was a complete nightmare, none of it
of my own making. I had been through three state
auditors at that point in about six months. I was
ready to get the hell out of the place. But
I had never I'd never really done a job interview.
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I thought, this is just how people talk. I just
talked like normal people, right, you just say what's on
your mind? On my mind? It was like, you know, didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You guys have a lot of fun here? Huh?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, that's like I was having a conversation like I
would as like a you know, a radio guy or
interviewer or whatever, like here, you know, let's have some fun,
like this probably is a cool place to work.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You're being a normal person.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And they didn't seem to really like that. And uh
and then oh, and then I made the egregious mistake
going to be in the pharmacy board director. After that
I got sold on that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That seems like a lot less fun. Well, the Who's
Your Lottery has returned three hundred and forty one point
three million dollars and that is the lowest amount since
the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That sounds like a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Three hundred and forty one point three million dollars back
to state coffers.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, Hannah News Services has the information.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So this is down though, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Almost fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
No, no drops by forty forty nine point seven million.
That's a thirteen point sixty five percent from fiscal year
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Sales were down over one hundred and eighty three million dollars. Yeah,
you're over year.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So the question is why, And I'm sure that people
will now start doing a deep dive into this. Why
is it's so low? Like, what's what's going on? Are
fewer people playing the lottery because for financial reasons? Are
fewer people playing the lottery because the games aren't as attractive.
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Fewer people playing the lottery because they're finding other ways
i e. Sports betting to spend whatever money they've allocated
for gambling, Like why is all of why is this happening?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? I would say that it's probably a combination of everything.
If you've got an extra couple bucks, are you gonna
play the lottery? And if you are someone who does gamble,
wouldn't it be more entertaining to do it on the
sports gambling cause at least you get more entertainment.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, you get out of that get three hours, right.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Versus a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that's an interesting question, And of course there were
all sorts of proposals to change the lottery. This past
year they had the ie gaming thing, the electronic lottery, perches,
et cetera, and those all went down in flames. So
I do I mean, look, thirty three hundred and forty
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million dollars was that the number three forty one?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Is that? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That sounds like a lot of money, and it is
a lot of money and less than you compare it
to what'd you give us last year? And that Look,
the lottery is just like any other basically corporation.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The government's looking at you and going, I want more
than that I had the year before. And not only
you're not getting more, you're getting a lot less. That's
probably not going to sit well with the lawmakers who
depend on this money. Casey are lawmakers depend on the
lottery money?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well? It's interesting because they say in this article than
in years past, the lottery has largely been immune to
inflation and recessions. People will still play even when times
are tough.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, and so that's why I wonder. I mean, you
brought you brought a casino into Terre Haute.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
More casinos popping up everything.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean that now that casino was in Gary, but
that tends to be a more Hago based crowd that
was using that casino. Now you have it, you know
in the western part of the state. You do wonder
how that impacted it. And like you said, sports betting,
but sports betting's been around, so it's above my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So the grand prize for the power Ball has surged.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, it's still going.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's still going. It's an estimated one point three billion
for tonight's drugg Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Whoa, that's what i'd win.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, the jack the cash value, yeah, is five eighty nine.
That's if you took okay, she took the cash buyout.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So the payout over time is what though? One point
three billion? Like if you took the long the long
game is that thirty years? Is it thirty years? Is
that the payout is that?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
How long it goes? I'm not sure. I know it
was the fifth largest.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well I'm saying, like, if you said I want the
whole thing and we did determine, I think we've had
this conversation before in the show. You can leave it
to an air you don't. You don't have to. It's
not like if you die you would lose the opportunity
to get the money. Your heirs can continue to get
thirty years thirty years, So what is that? That's thirty,
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that's thirty forty that's forty million a year. If you
can leave it to your airs, can you google that
real quick, Kevin or someone just to confirm, because we've
had this debate before. You can you can leave it
to I'm most certain you can leave it in your
will to somebody if unless you think you could make
five hundred million off five hundred million in thirty years,
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why wouldn't you just take forty million dollars a year?
I mean, how are you going to spend forty million
dollars a year to begin with? And as long as
somebody else is going to get your money now, I
guess there's also a theory, Well, the lottery could go
out of business and then you don't get anything. And
but all you gotta do is make it ten to
what about thirteen years and you've you hit your number?
Surely the lottery will still be here in thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You can leave your winnings to an air, Okay, you
receive the money, it's your asset. Yeah, you can leave
it to anyone through your will, trust or your estate plan.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You can go.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
When you die, the unspent funds go to airs, just
like any other part of your estate. Okay, standard estate
taxes may apply.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, okay, so okay, so if you're let's just say you're.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
If you die before all thirty payments are made, the
remaining payments still go to your designated yes benefactor.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, thank you very much. Okay. So at forty million
a year, let's just go super high and say your
applicable tax rate here in Indiana was forty percent state, local,
federal taxes. That's still was. At sixteen million, you're still
getting twenty four million dollars in your pocket every single year.
Twenty four million dollars, right, Okay, let's change this game
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up because we talked about if you won the whole thing,
twenty four million dollars year one, what are you doing
with it?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Twenty four million?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So it's not the five hundred million where you can
do it all at once. I mean, you got you're
getting twenty four million, four million. You're getting twenty four
million dollars a year for the next thirty years. What
are you doing year over year?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, the step one, obviously is to call a lawyer
and then get really drunk, because that's what would happen. Yeah,
there would be signs and then within probably a matter
of a few weeks, Yeah, resign, Oh you're out.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You would quit? Yeah, even for twenty four million a year. Yeah,
you don't want this that bad?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, really, No, I would want to go and have
some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I most likely would take care of all of my
immediate family and you know, tithe some to the church. Sure,
and then yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You could probably buy a meeting with the Pope for
that amount of money. You think so, I mean, if
you're gonna give to the.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Church, I would definitely have a nice trip to Rome.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You should leverage it for something big. I want to
meet the Pope.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
See that's the thing. I wouldn't be overly interested in
doing like the world global travel, right, I would. I
would spend majority of my time right here in the
United States of America because there's so many beautiful, wonderful
things to see in this country.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
See twenty four million to be perfect for me. Because
I could still buy the lock Miller Building so I
could hang my giant I need to sign, could buy
it, it would probably buy it. And then because I could
still rent it back out to the restaurant and to
the subway, which are on the lower floor. I got
good memories in both.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Nice Class AARV and go on Tour.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I would buy this radio station, would you oh totally yeah?
And if you people thought it was bad before, wow,
just wait until you hear me with one point three
bill at my disposal.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Buy in this radio station. Would you give me a raise?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, you're quitting? Oh if you want in this scenario
when I win, if you win, yeah, sure right, because
it's dude needs money.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean, my first take care of your people.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
My first phone call would be to Alfred and I
would say it's time for us to talk business. Right,
you see me, Alfred, I'm the captain of this ship.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Now nice be a good feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And then and then I'd get that I'd still get
the lock Miller building. And so not only would.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That you'd bury it in your backyard.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Not only would everybody know that Braun and Holcombe and
Young and all the rest of the people suck on
these airwaves. They know they suck. Outside the state House.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm just do you wonder how many how many politicians
would come knocking on your door? Hey, would you like
to donate to my campaign, I would you imagine?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And that that's another thing I would do on an
annual basis is, I would target two or three people
that I despise politically, and I would just give basically
infinite money to their challengers. And the whole deal with
this would be you have to run the most most
mean spirited negative ads against this person imaginable in order
to give.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Anybody that's out of character for you allowed by FCC law.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that would be Does that make me a horrible person?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
At least you're being honest. It is Kendall and Casey.
It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, So nobody values hard work anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, that's a According to a new poll done by
The Wall Street Journal says the American dream is own
life support major shift and belief. Nearly seventy percent of
you as adults say hard work no longer guarantees success.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So seventy percent of adults don't believe that hard work
guarantees success.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, so a very high level of skepticism.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, So a couple of things with this one. I
think it is a it's a reality check of what
we say on this show quite a bit, which is
in this country right now, we are seeing an elevation
of the uber rich. The uber rich are getting richer
and have never been more prosperous, and everybody else is
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getting shoved down, and countries a thriving middle class is
a key to a thriving country. I heard this years ago,
and I know I've used this analogy before. In when
I was an elected official, we were putting together a
sign and zoning ordinance, and part of one of the
things in a sign and zoning ordinance is signs that
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are that are people are allowed to put in front
of their businesses. And a law enforcement person came and said,
whatever you do, do not slow the traffic down, because
they said, what they've found in studies with traffic is
traffic traffic can be moving at a slow rate of speed,
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but as long as the traffic is actually moving, there
is hope and optimism. And in cases where even if
you're moving at five miles an hour, there are much
fewer cases of road rage and road incidents than when
traffic is stopped because at a stop, subconsciously most people
feel hopeless, right, Yeah, And that always stood with me
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about just so many other things, because that the idea
of the American dream isn't that for many people isn't
so much. We all have dreams when we're kids, right,
and then adult that happens and you're like, oh, that's cute.
It's the idea that you can elevate, not someday that
you're going to go from you know, a pauper to
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a Rockefeller, but you can elevate yourself to a better life,
a comfortable life, a better existence than you had before.
That there is hope giving the key where there's hope
in your work, there is hope in the effort that
you're putting forward and what you're finding now because of
let's face it, the way the economy is rigged against
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regular people, the way the government has printed us into inflation,
that people just see their monies that they're earning getting
swallowed up. I went to the grocery store yesterday, I
don't know, eight or nine back of groceries ninety some
odd dollars, and it was like, holy smokes, again, I'm
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not buying meat, like it's just like basic stuff that
even that refrigerator like, right, I go to Barton that
event on Sunday, night, and it was fun, Like I
love the people. There was a great event. I always
loved going. I do it every year and made good money.
But there's subconsciously part of you that goes all this
is going to that fridge. None of this is going
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back to me. Sure, it's all going towards something that
while you have to have a fridge, a week ago,
I didn't need a fridge. It was like, I have
the same thing I'm gonna happ before, which is a
refrigerator in my house. It's not even a better fridge,
probably not even as good a fridge. And so you
can extrapolate that out to think about that over years
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and years of service, where I'm just talking about some
one off thing, years and years of you know, working
and getting up and going, and people just it really
messes with them if they feel like they're working hard
but they're not getting ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So the Wall Street Journal has been doing this poll
for fifteen years and they say this is the highest
level of skepticism about the American dream. And all of
that time, only twenty five percent of people believe they
have a good chance of improving their standard of living.
And it's the lowest since nineteen eighty seven. Many older
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generations people feel had it easier, especially when it comes
to buying homes or starting businesses or being stay at
home parents. The one thing that I always think about, though,
is yes, they may have had it easier. However, the
interest rate was really high for many years, but the
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house they were buying was much smaller, and the older
generation wasn't going out to restaurants all the time, and
entertainment was found within the family at home.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Ah, you just hit the thing, which is I think
the life that we valued, or the things that we
valued in life in previous generations made it easier to
believe you were having a better life and elevate yourself.
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Like you know, people joke about my lamenting of the
death of the fields and the farmland and stuff. There's
a reason though that I feel that way, because for
generations that was good, that was sure decent, that meant
something to people, and we've sort of just entered this
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and we're all guilty of it, or at least most
of us are guilty of this. From me included where
you're just go, go, go, instant, instant, instant, all the time,
whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And a high level of consumerism and.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People just people just they they I don't know if
they forget, I don't know. Like I was thinking last
night when my daughter and I went for a walk,
and I was thinking about how all the things that
have changed in my town, and I was thinking like, well,
but I'm basically like the only person left here right
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like everybody else love, Yeah, like the you know, everybody's
so different. I haven't changed. So it's like, well, why
would those people care they're not here anymore. They don't.
They didn't spend all their time here like they go
places and do different things. So I just, I just
We've got a serious problem in this country, though, which
is the inability to elevate classes anymore or your position
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in the classes. And there are certain skill skill sets
that will be able to avoid, at least for a time,
artificial intelligence that'll be able to push that off. But
it's not going to get better. There's going to be
more and more jobs that are going to go away.
It's going to be more and more positions. I mean,
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I saw Tony was talking about this this morning, that
Salesforce is laying off a whole bunch of people because
of AI.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yep and they're saying, twenty thirty four, it's the year
where you won't recognize anything compared to today.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the older I get, the more I realize quiet
was good and calm was good, and just having the
thing that you had in the communion in which you
had it, and celebrating those things that made up the
little area in which you lived made people more happy
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and more content. And also because they didn't have the
continual pressure and burden of having to have the newest
thing and the best thing, the newest phone and the
newest abust whatever, right, they were able to find happiness
and the things that matter, and then the things that
they wanted they put a value in a premium on
and it meant something to obtain it, and so they
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were more happy because they could have those things.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
So are you saying the American dream isn't dead, it's
just changed.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, I think we're toast. No no no no no
no no no no no no.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, that's kind No.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I just I think, And I don't mean to mean
mister doom and gloom, which I never.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Am, of course, no always so super.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But somebody explained to me how this gets better for
the middle class I'm willing to hear it. I'm willing
to hear because education it used to be an abduel
and I used talk about this for years.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Sure, education would elevate you out of where your skill
sets trades, and now it's a burden with loans.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, and you're whatever position you're in, you're going to
someday become a victim of artificial intelligence. Your position, your education,
no matter how great it might be, unless it's the
very tippy top, people are simply not going to outlast
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're listening to Kennelly Casey. It is ninety three, WIBC.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Did the horrible recover of this Crimson and Clover it's
a Jone chet.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yes, and the Black Hearts? That's right, don't ever ever?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Oh that's right, you did.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Didn't you forget the Black Heart?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Did? Do you want to have? I know you've told
that story before. That's great. You want to know what
a bunch of a holes these entertainers are tell that story?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, I was introducing Joe Jet on stage, I believe
it was in South Bend, and I said, you know
all had everybody big round of loots. This make some noise.
Jone Jet, and she walked out and she said to me,
you forgot the Black Hearts And I said whoops, and
she said, get out there and do it done, so
I did, so I went back on. I said, all right,
here we go Joe Jet and the black carts.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So think about this. She could have like common decency
would be like, hey, the DJ's out there trying, she's
getting people pumped up. She said my name correctly, obviously
I got this band, and then you just walk out
there and go hey, she tried really hard. Thanks for Hey, Casey,
thanks to the great intro, and how about these black carts?
Like but no, she had to like just berate.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You to make herself fie good. And she was sticking
up for her band.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, she was.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Being a horrible, rotten human.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know, I'll take the airror. It was my bad.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I should No, don't ever, that is just that is gross.
I mean, I love that story because it is such
an insight into how horrible so many of these entertainers are. Like, lady,
you're playing. It wasn't Notre Dame Stadium, was it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
No? It was at the ballpark. Yeah, And it was
like one of many I think lover boys that's what
I well.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You're I mean she was. I think she Wasn't she
the opening act for Billie Idol last week? I think
she was the open Okay, Like you had a few
hits forty plus years ago, right, good on you, congratulations
and congratulations for your success. But you're almost always the
opening act for someone else, or you're part of some
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festival of other we had hits forty years ago. Groups,
you don't get to big time anyone other than saying
thanks for the fabulous that are dug y.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, she did big timy. But the thing was I
know that I was thinking because we work through promotions
companies that book the band, Like had I made his
artist mad, they would have not booked any bands and
involved the radio station in the future. I mean I was,
you know, I was carrying the corporate message that day. Rob.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, but it's a conversation about human decency, and I
think that's a bigger thing, like our whole It's like
it's our whole society, right, I mean that's where we're
at anymore. Where people we've laughed about this, people meet
me in person, like he's such a nice guy, right, yeah,
because as a human being, I was raised to be
(25:53):
a decent person. I was raised to, you know, treat
us with the respect. And if somebody's gonna come up
and say, you know, the emails, when our respond to people,
you know, all those sorts of things. Now, people won't
get lippy with me. I'll get lippy back with them.
But the point is people who will email say hey,
love the show, thanks for or come up in person
or whatever. That's an honor.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So what would you do if you were in this
situation and somebody is introducing you on stage and they're like,
all right, everyone does make some noise. Here we go.
It's Kendall and I'm walking out there with you. Would
you be like, get out there and do it again.
You forgot Casey.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, it would be like, hey, I'm Rob Kendall of
the Kendall and Casey Show, and let's not forget the
best half, the most important half of the Kendall and
Casey Show, Casey day.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It'll just done it yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, because unless somebody is doing something malicious. Right, but
everything's got to be a federal case now, right, except
with the government. People will tolerate anything from their government, right,
That's true. But the kid at the taco bell or
you on stage, or everybody's got to be offended by something.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Somebody told me something once that you could post something
on Twitter that was just completely non offensive, just like
a nice day, and somebody is going to take offense
to that and be like, don't tell me what to do. Wow,
I'm just trying to say I have a nice day. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And that's you know, that's the thing that we come
back to a lot, which is and I'm not trying
to say obviously I use it, people shouldn't use social media.
I just think everybody feels so elevated and amplified because
platform you're in the same world as everybody else that
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you like, you just think I can do whatever, and
it's just like, you know, outside of me hating my government,
and I can't begin to tell you how legitimate that is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I always just try to handle myself with people where
it's like, hey, I've been in that position. You know,
if somebody screws up your order at the restaurant, Hey
I work there. You know, you're like, unless somebody's not
trying or going out of their way to be just rotten,
despicable human being, then just give them a little grace.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, so you said that you wanted to talk about
some incompetence.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh yeah, government, how about this? They're well, so they're done.
This is a long standing thing in my for our listeners.
They built that giant road. The school system in Brownsburg
built that giant road in the backyards of my neighbors,
and of course just dumped dirt and dust and everything else.
And they tried to tear those houses down and spin
off a roundabout onto my street. And we're like, not today, buddy. Yeah,
(28:31):
And look I was mad because it doesn't really affect me.
I'm on the other side of the street. But for
all these people that were getting screwed, well, now they're
done with that and they're onto the next thing. Here's
the next thing they're doing outside of Brownsburg High School.
Are you ready for this? So about twenty years ago,
they built a track like a for track and field
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directly to the east of the high school. The problem
was they build it going in the wrong direction so
that the sun is like always in people's eyes. So
think about this government spends I don't know, I don't
know what to track cost in In the mid two thousands,
(29:15):
I'm sure it was over a million dollars. It had
to be all this money. And it's so ill conceived
that they build it in the wrong direction, which very
much dilutes their ability to have events at the thing
because you can't have people like running or jumping or
whatever into the setting sun.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, so they're redoing it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh, it gets better, they're tearing it down. They I
think they did a land swap with the softball fields
that are right next door. They're gonna pay to move
the track to where the softball fields are, and they're
gonna put a parking lot where the track that was
built in the wrong direction is okay, Now, can you
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think of a mistake in any company the magnitude of
millions of dollars that is that grossly incompetent, in which
everybody wouldn't have been run out and the people would
have been outraged.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right, But they don't care because it's not their money.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And yes, and they have so much money. And again
we clarify this, Brownsburg's actually one of the good guys
in this very bad equation because at least they're not
referend to people. But this is gross that they're going
to spend all this money. They have so much money
that they can afford to move a track. It's not
like a football stadium, no offense. If you're on the
track team, I'm sure it's many wonderful people and they
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probably try very hard, and that's great. You make zero.
You are a revenue sucker. If you're on the track.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Team, it's going to be a dirt tracker. Is it
going to be one of those oh tracks with the
little rubber Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yea, the finest whatever the thing is. But they'll tell
you that they're out of money, and there's they become
poor singing orphans because you got three hundred dollars back
on your property taxes. But they have so much money
that just for fun, so they can host some track meets.
I mean the track still worked, right, you practice there,
you could throw on it. Yeah, you could do all
the things.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
But because of their own incompetence, which will just ignore,
and they have so much money and they're just mad
they can't host events that they're going to pay all
this money to move the track right across the street.
But you getting that three hundred dollars, you're an a
hole and you.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Hating kids, Casey, well, did you see that there's some
people complaining mayors across Indiana confronting a crisis, the financial
crunch caused by the state's property tax reform. I saw
old reform and air quotes. By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Sold, I saw our old pal Mayor. I have a
taxpayer funded hotel and palladium and reflexive pool, the Supingo
and Carmels. She was crying poverty. Yes, yeah, nothing so Carmel.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So now as the Beech Grove Common Council as well,
they're preparing their twenty six budget and they're they're facing
potential millions in losses.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Maybe the answer is just your poor planning and incompetence.
Oh yeah, just a thought. And by the way, if
you got a taxpayer funded hotel.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
A taxpair funded.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Hotel, you don't ever, I mean ever get to talk
about how somebody get getting three hundred dollars back might
negatively impact your community.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
A duel's going to join us.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Next, we're talking about the maps. Yeah, the map or
the proposed map or the alleged proposal.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Shall I get my crans and come up with my
version of the map. It's Kendall and Casey it's ninety three.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Wy easy, I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Gonna rid mesself hell in the shade of flee.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So let's talk some more about this wild and wacky map.
The whole thing's kind of wild and wacky. It is
the Kendle and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. Look
good is he's an author, he's a broadcaster, he's a provocateur,
owner operator of Indie Politics dot orga to will keep shabaz.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Hello, oh my friend, how's it going this morning?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Well, I'm all right.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
We talked with the merit about this earlier and throughout
the course of the program today. Fox fifty nine Hannah Adamson,
also CBS four, they're owned by the same group, tweeted
out this alleged map that is supposedly under consideration by
somebody to be the map that they will divide the
congressional districts up into, and humanity has absolutely lost their
(33:33):
mind over it. Now, there's no proof that this is
indeed the map there. They won't say who the map
came from. He won't even say how the map originated.
But it's interesting. Well, that's what we were talking about.
The state. How's happenings? Look it is interesting that a
like a it is something you would put in your
cheat sheet subscription publication, you know, which you describe as
(33:55):
what rumor, gods and political and new Indo. Yeah, where
it's like, Okay, this is something that's floating around out there.
Wouldn't this be interesting? They're a TV station, they must
have got it from a pretty good sort of what
they feel is a pretty good source for them to
put it put it out, because if that map ends
up looking nothing like that, they're all gonna look pretty foolish.
So I'm very curious who they got it from and
why they decided to run with it, because it has
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created a ton of conversation.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, when I when I look at the map, and
I kind of studied it intensely, and I kind of
looked at what they were doing with the first district,
which is Lake County, the seven district, which is in
Marin County. All I can think it was one of
those old rors shark tests where where you look at
you look at the image and what's the first thing
that comes to mind when you look at the image,
And the first thing you came to mind was lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit,
What do you right sack lawsuit, equal protection rights lawsuit.
(34:41):
All I can see it was a big gared or
shard test if that's a map that folks are going
to use for for litigation, because if if you look
at the way the maps are drawn, the first district
is basically almost so of gone and the seven district
is been carved up into three parts. And as our
good friend, you know, Jim Merritt said, when we they
said house happenings this week, he said, no, this is
(35:02):
to no neutralize no Lake County voters. And you know
Marion County Democrats like, no, gym, let's just call a
spade a space. Literally, it's it's basically it's diluting black
vote is what it is. What it is doing because
African Americans make up a significant portion of that Gary
area up in the first district. Also here in Indianapolis
Marion County. And you start taking around with that, you
got voting rights lawsuit written all over you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, so that obviously the big thing is that Marion
County under this map would be cut up into three
separate districts. And okay, so you get rid of Andre
Carson and I can't I think it was Yeah, it
was Merrit who said, this is state House happenings. Okay,
you might get rid of him from Congress maybe, but
(35:48):
get ready for Mayor Carson then, because he's not going
to go work at a Wendy's right. I mean, Andre
Carson is not going to just go away because you
jerrymandered him out of the United States States Congress and
I don't really want him to be the mayor of Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And here's something else think about too, is if you
divide Marrion kinda up into three congression districts, Mary Kunty is,
basically it's six hundred thousand voters per congressional district, give
or take. That means those other two hundred thousand votess
got to go somewhere, and they're not going to stop
being Democrats just because they're in a in a new district. Also,
by i'llge to this, by making by getting rid of
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the seventh and making the first less democrat, less more Republican,
you make the other districts more democratic?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Well you do. Now, this is what's interesting because Niki
Kelly basically alluded to this last week our on Our
program from the Capitol Chronicle. She said, well, they'll probably
and she didn't say this verbatim, but she basically alluded to, well,
they'll just redraw these districts again in a couple of years.
And what you kind of started to realize is this
exercise and all the cost and pissing everybody off and
everything else is not about serving Indiana. It's about serving
(36:52):
Donald Trump. Yep. He doesn't want to deal with a
Democrat Congress his last two years in office, and so
they're going to do all this stuff basically two to
four years, and then they'll redraw him back once the
census and they'll probably end up going back to the
original maps, and that if that is the truth, then
that is just totally unacceptable on so many levels.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
So think about this in a tie where Indiana. You know,
the financials are't okay, but there's not a whole lot
of extra money folding, right.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Why had to raise taxes by a billion dollars to
pay the bills you gotta got?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
You're basically going to basically buy a million dollar lawsuit
because five hundred thousand dollars for the first litigation, another
five thousand off for the next litigation coming through. Uh,
you didn't call a special session for healthcare. Didn't call
a special session for your for your pet issue property tax,
that's right, didn't call a special session or anything for
for road funding. But you're gonna call a special session
to draw a.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Map, and they have they now cannot. They have no
other excuse because they ran out with this so fast
that it is just politics. Like Andrew Ireland basically admitted
that on our show last week, and kudos dam he's
the most honest right where this is totally political. We're
getting and brawn kind said to say thing on Hammer
and Nigel that this is he's mad about Massachusetts, which
(38:03):
is very weird. But my point is, are we really
doing all this so that we can have two more
Jefferson Shreeves in the Congress? Like what is having two more?
Because you're not gonna get you know, strong conservatives in
the If you're a factor in Marion County into a
lot of this, you're probably not gonna get a strong conservative.
You're also probably not gonna get a strong conservative up
in that first because you still got Lake County in
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the district, which means there's a chance it would go
Democrat even if you redrew the map. So are we
really And by the way, I'm excited about two more
Jefferson Shreeves.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
And I also i'd argue two is you put you know,
Jim Bairt is his history is now more democratic. No,
the eighth district, whoever's that has becomes more democratic and
the statuts becomes more Democrat the fifth like you're you're
not really, you're changing the map, but not really changing
the dynamics of the situation. And by the way, also too,
you really any Republicans you had in Marion County or
(38:55):
hamil together are probably pretty much going to be gone. Yeah,
guess folks are gonna come out and droves. So why
why why are you look at a bigger picture of
the Congression maps here? I'll think you're forgetting like the
state maps and State center maps, and you know, and
mayor's races in the whole and county races in the
whole nine yards because there's that there's a purple section
north of eighty sixth Street, No. Two sixty seven Route
nine that's kind of sort of changed. Anyway, you want
(39:17):
to accelerate that change, that's what you do. Yeah, And
that's okay. Two points one, that's exactly what happened under Obama.
Or remember Obama won twice, but they lost all those
state house, state senate may across the country under under
governor's offices. Under Obama, it's like, oh, congratulations, you did well.
Everybody else got smoked. So that's what the public thought
of you. Right, you take the personality out of the equation.
(39:38):
You can't win on the policies. But so so there is,
you know, a track record on this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But you're right. The party is afraid of Donald Trump.
The Republican Party is afraid of Donald Trump. The base
of the party's afraid of Trump. The public at large
and polling bears this out. It's not in love with
Donald Trump. They're not. They're not gonna look at you
doing this and go, oh right, you're helping Trump. Let
me rush right out and vote for you. And you're
absolutely right on what could be the longer term could
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be the longer term ramific.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
And here's the other part of this too, which I
don't understand, what with my Republican friends, I gotta do some
checking on this this week, is what are you actually
afraid of? Okay, let's say you don't vote for redistricting. Okay,
so don't run somebody against you. What are they gonna
run on?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And how he's gonna get somebody in a couple of months,
which is all the time he's gonna have, and he's
gonna do this all over the country for anybody. He's
just gonna be finding thousands of candidates or hundreds of
candidates to run. This is the point I made about
guys like Craig Haggard, little gutlass backstabbers like Craig Haggard
who came on our show and said the maps are fine,
and then Charlie Kirk threatened him and he just totally
(40:44):
cowered under the under the desk, and and and crawled
in a fetal position. I said, you think Charlie Kirk
is gonna spend his days recruiting some somebody to run
against you in Mooresville? Like, that's what you think Charlie
Kirk is gonna These people don't understand media, they don't
understan how it works. And you're right, if they would
just use common sense, they would say this is dumb
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or done.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Because here's the other flip side too. Let's say you
do draw the maps or don't draw the mapps. Let's
say you get Let's say you get a challenger like, hey,
I don't like this, I'm gonna run against you.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It will exactly hey if you do, if you don't,
abduel is with us just a couple of minutes left here.
So you actually had an interesting piece that you asked
artificial intelligence to help you play this out. If they
pass these maps, what would happen and what did the
computer tell you was going to go down? It was
like those storybooks, No go here, yeah, yeah, choose your
(41:35):
own adventure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I was like, okay, let's like, let's see what it
also would look like. Let's just do the voting rights lawsuit.
So a time of voting rights lawsuit out Like, okay,
that's interesting. Now what would the defense say, which would
be the State of Indiana Todd raketa, god forbid if there,
if you're still there? So that okay. So we have
the plain and if we have the defendant. I think
the courts would say and the course would basically say,
(41:57):
the state loses. Yeah, there's an injunction.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I think under the current court rulings that, especially the
Marion County stuff, would be very difficult to pass, but
there is a I think it's Louisy and has a
case in front of the Supreme Court which may just
gut the Voting Rights Act. If they do that, then
I think all bets are off. I think I can
do about whatever you want, but I think right now, yeah,
until that gets decided, you might have a point on that,
(42:21):
all right. Thank you as always a dual find him
at indiepolitics dot org. Get yourself a cheat sheet subscription.
While you're there, dul keeps you baas, Thank you, thank you.
That's gonna do it for us today. Thank you to Kevin,
thanks to Casey, and most importantly, thank you to you.
Without you, there is no US. It's Kennelly Casey Show
ninety three, WIBC.
Boy, the lottery looks like it could be in some trouble.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
They barely didn't make as much money as they have
in past years.
Speaker 1 (00:08):
So Hannah News Service has the report and yeah, I
mean so okay. So let's let's set up before we
give the details. You can give the details, Casey, but
let me explain how the lottery in the state of
Indiana works for for people who may not be aware.
The lottery is what we call da da da da
(00:30):
quasi government entity. That means it's basically it's run by
an outside firm, so the state has ultimate control over it.
The state does not run the actual lottery. They hire
a private firm to run and administer the lottery, and
then the state gets money back and then the company
(00:52):
gets to keep a portion. There's a I think there's
a target they have to hit, and anything above that
they keep a portion of the proceeds. So the company
running the lottery incentivis to make more money because they
make more money, and then more money should be going
back to the state. I've also told this I once
a I know our longtime listeners will know, but we
have new listeners all the time. I once interviewed for
(01:12):
the I believe it was the communications position with the lottery. Yeah.
I was trying desperately to get the hell out of
the Indiana State House, and somebody was like, you would
be perfect for this, and they arrange for me to
go over there and interview. And I thought, oh, well,
these people are fun. They're gonna go to ride fun games,
Christmas trees, candy canes.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Yeah right, No, not so much.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
Sat down and looked right at them, and uh said,
I thought I'd try a little joke at the beginning.
I said, so before we get started, just how rigged
is the lottery?
Speaker 2 (01:50):
The interview went downhill from there, you know.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
In the comedies where there's just crickets chirping in the
background when people stare at you. Okay, I'll show myself
out now, thank you.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Do you not think you were a serious canidate? In fairness?
Speaker 1 (02:03):
And they didn't think I was a serious candidate want
to show up here either, And they did find me.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Do you remember any other questions they asked you in
the interview? Did you have to do the standard? What
are your weakness in? No, no, this job.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
I made some comment to him about like they were
basically like a willy Wonka Factory and they didn't go
over well either, and I was like, I said something
like I bet all you guys just do is have
fun all day. And that didn't go over well either,
and it was just like, no, remember in.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Them, they're responsible for millions of dollars.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
Have you ever seen.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
Okay, last us here and we'll get to that.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Have you seen the movie Missus Doubtfire?
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Remember when? So like again, I'm sure most people know,
very famous movie. Robin Williams plays this unemployed actor who
starts stressing as an old woman so he can see
his kids more often as their nanny. And when he
first gets goes to the unemployment office, the lady asked
him what do you do and he says, well, I
(03:03):
do voices, and she has no idea what that means,
and so it's just classic Robin Williams. He's doing all
these impressions of different things and it's hilarious. And then
at the end he goes through all these voices and
the lady it's just she's a very famous I'm sure
she's probably no longer with us now because this movie
was thirty plus years ago, but she just dead pans
at him. No reaction, no smile, no nothing, and says
(03:24):
something like, do you consider yourself to be humorous? And
he says something like, there was a there was a
time where I consider myself funny, but today you have
proven me wrong. And for that I failure that day.
But that was me. All the way out the door.
I was like, well, I better on get a second
interview with those people.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
So I'm just so curious what else they asked you.
But at the end of the interview, did you ask
for the job? Did you say I want this job?
How can we make this happen?
Speaker 1 (03:57):
No? I think I think I knew like I didn't
want that job at that scene. I'm pushing it you, okay,
I mean you got to understand, like I I've never
really done interviews at this point, because like, I'm not
trying to be like smart when I say this. I
had owned my own businesses for what ten years? Yeah,
(04:17):
I went begrudgingly into the state House at someone else's
beheston request. It was a complete nightmare, none of it
of my own making. I had been through three state
auditors at that point in about six months. I was
ready to get the hell out of the place. But
I had never I'd never really done a job interview.
(04:37):
I thought, this is just how people talk. I just
talked like normal people, right, you just say what's on
your mind? On my mind? It was like, you know, didn't.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
You guys have a lot of fun here? Huh?
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Well, that's like I was having a conversation like I
would as like a you know, a radio guy or
interviewer or whatever, like here, you know, let's have some fun,
like this probably is a cool place to work.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
You're being a normal person.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
And they didn't seem to really like that. And uh
and then oh, and then I made the egregious mistake
going to be in the pharmacy board director. After that
I got sold on that one too.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
That seems like a lot less fun. Well, the Who's
Your Lottery has returned three hundred and forty one point
three million dollars and that is the lowest amount since
the pandemic.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
That sounds like a lot of money.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Three hundred and forty one point three million dollars back
to state coffers.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, Hannah News Services has the information.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
So this is down though, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Almost fifty million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
It's bigger than that.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
No, no drops by forty forty nine point seven million.
That's a thirteen point sixty five percent from fiscal year
twenty four.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Sales were down over one hundred and eighty three million dollars. Yeah,
you're over year.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So the question is why, And I'm sure that people
will now start doing a deep dive into this. Why
is it's so low? Like, what's what's going on? Are
fewer people playing the lottery because for financial reasons? Are
fewer people playing the lottery because the games aren't as attractive.
(06:11):
Fewer people playing the lottery because they're finding other ways
i e. Sports betting to spend whatever money they've allocated
for gambling, Like why is all of why is this happening?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah? I would say that it's probably a combination of everything.
If you've got an extra couple bucks, are you gonna
play the lottery? And if you are someone who does gamble,
wouldn't it be more entertaining to do it on the
sports gambling cause at least you get more entertainment.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Yeah, you get out of that get three hours, right.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Versus a couple of minutes.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Yeah, that's an interesting question, And of course there were
all sorts of proposals to change the lottery. This past
year they had the ie gaming thing, the electronic lottery, perches,
et cetera, and those all went down in flames. So
I do I mean, look, thirty three hundred and forty
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million dollars was that the number three forty one?
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Is that? Right?
Speaker 1 (07:10):
That sounds like a lot of money, and it is
a lot of money and less than you compare it
to what'd you give us last year? And that Look,
the lottery is just like any other basically corporation.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
The government's looking at you and going, I want more
than that I had the year before. And not only
you're not getting more, you're getting a lot less. That's
probably not going to sit well with the lawmakers who
depend on this money. Casey are lawmakers depend on the
lottery money?
Speaker 2 (07:34):
Well? It's interesting because they say in this article than
in years past, the lottery has largely been immune to
inflation and recessions. People will still play even when times
are tough.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
Well, and so that's why I wonder. I mean, you
brought you brought a casino into Terre Haute.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
More casinos popping up everything.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
I mean that now that casino was in Gary, but
that tends to be a more Hago based crowd that
was using that casino. Now you have it, you know
in the western part of the state. You do wonder
how that impacted it. And like you said, sports betting,
but sports betting's been around, so it's above my pay grade.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So the grand prize for the power Ball has surged.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Oh, it's still going.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
It's still going. It's an estimated one point three billion
for tonight's drugg Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Whoa, that's what i'd win.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Well, the jack the cash value, yeah, is five eighty nine.
That's if you took okay, she took the cash buyout.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So the payout over time is what though? One point
three billion? Like if you took the long the long
game is that thirty years? Is it thirty years? Is
that the payout is that?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
How long it goes? I'm not sure. I know it
was the fifth largest.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
Well I'm saying, like, if you said I want the
whole thing and we did determine, I think we've had
this conversation before in the show. You can leave it
to an air you don't. You don't have to. It's
not like if you die you would lose the opportunity
to get the money. Your heirs can continue to get
thirty years thirty years, So what is that? That's thirty,
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that's thirty forty that's forty million a year. If you
can leave it to your airs, can you google that
real quick, Kevin or someone just to confirm, because we've
had this debate before. You can you can leave it
to I'm most certain you can leave it in your
will to somebody if unless you think you could make
five hundred million off five hundred million in thirty years,
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why wouldn't you just take forty million dollars a year?
I mean, how are you going to spend forty million
dollars a year to begin with? And as long as
somebody else is going to get your money now, I
guess there's also a theory, Well, the lottery could go
out of business and then you don't get anything. And
but all you gotta do is make it ten to
what about thirteen years and you've you hit your number?
Surely the lottery will still be here in thirteen years.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
You can leave your winnings to an air, Okay, you
receive the money, it's your asset. Yeah, you can leave
it to anyone through your will, trust or your estate plan.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You can go.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
When you die, the unspent funds go to airs, just
like any other part of your estate. Okay, standard estate
taxes may apply.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Yeah, okay, so okay, so if you're let's just say you're.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
If you die before all thirty payments are made, the
remaining payments still go to your designated yes benefactor.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
Yes, thank you very much. Okay. So at forty million
a year, let's just go super high and say your
applicable tax rate here in Indiana was forty percent state, local,
federal taxes. That's still was. At sixteen million, you're still
getting twenty four million dollars in your pocket every single year.
Twenty four million dollars, right, Okay, let's change this game
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up because we talked about if you won the whole thing,
twenty four million dollars year one, what are you doing
with it?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Twenty four million?
Speaker 1 (10:55):
So it's not the five hundred million where you can
do it all at once. I mean, you got you're
getting twenty four million, four million. You're getting twenty four
million dollars a year for the next thirty years. What
are you doing year over year?
Speaker 2 (11:06):
Well, the step one, obviously is to call a lawyer
and then get really drunk, because that's what would happen. Yeah,
there would be signs and then within probably a matter
of a few weeks, Yeah, resign, Oh you're out.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You would quit? Yeah, even for twenty four million a year. Yeah,
you don't want this that bad?
Speaker 2 (11:25):
No, really, No, I would want to go and have
some fun with it.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
I most likely would take care of all of my
immediate family and you know, tithe some to the church. Sure,
and then yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
You could probably buy a meeting with the Pope for
that amount of money. You think so, I mean, if
you're gonna give to the.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Church, I would definitely have a nice trip to Rome.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You should leverage it for something big. I want to
meet the Pope.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
See that's the thing. I wouldn't be overly interested in
doing like the world global travel, right, I would. I
would spend majority of my time right here in the
United States of America because there's so many beautiful, wonderful
things to see in this country.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
See twenty four million to be perfect for me. Because
I could still buy the lock Miller Building so I
could hang my giant I need to sign, could buy
it, it would probably buy it. And then because I could
still rent it back out to the restaurant and to
the subway, which are on the lower floor. I got
good memories in both.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Nice Class AARV and go on Tour.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I would buy this radio station, would you oh totally yeah?
And if you people thought it was bad before, wow,
just wait until you hear me with one point three
bill at my disposal.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Buy in this radio station. Would you give me a raise?
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, you're quitting? Oh if you want in this scenario
when I win, if you win, yeah, sure right, because
it's dude needs money.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
I mean, my first take care of your people.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
My first phone call would be to Alfred and I
would say it's time for us to talk business. Right,
you see me, Alfred, I'm the captain of this ship.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Now nice be a good feeling.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
And then and then I'd get that I'd still get
the lock Miller building. And so not only would.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That you'd bury it in your backyard.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
Not only would everybody know that Braun and Holcombe and
Young and all the rest of the people suck on
these airwaves. They know they suck. Outside the state House.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
I'm just do you wonder how many how many politicians
would come knocking on your door? Hey, would you like
to donate to my campaign, I would you imagine?
Speaker 1 (13:27):
And that that's another thing I would do on an
annual basis is, I would target two or three people
that I despise politically, and I would just give basically
infinite money to their challengers. And the whole deal with
this would be you have to run the most most
mean spirited negative ads against this person imaginable in order
to give.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Anybody that's out of character for you allowed by FCC law.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, that would be Does that make me a horrible person?
Speaker 2 (13:54):
At least you're being honest. It is Kendall and Casey.
It's ninety three WIBC.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Okay, So nobody values hard work anymore.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah, that's a According to a new poll done by
The Wall Street Journal says the American dream is own
life support major shift and belief. Nearly seventy percent of
you as adults say hard work no longer guarantees success.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
So seventy percent of adults don't believe that hard work
guarantees success.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, so a very high level of skepticism.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Okay, So a couple of things with this one. I
think it is a it's a reality check of what
we say on this show quite a bit, which is
in this country right now, we are seeing an elevation
of the uber rich. The uber rich are getting richer
and have never been more prosperous, and everybody else is
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getting shoved down, and countries a thriving middle class is
a key to a thriving country. I heard this years ago,
and I know I've used this analogy before. In when
I was an elected official, we were putting together a
sign and zoning ordinance, and part of one of the
things in a sign and zoning ordinance is signs that
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are that are people are allowed to put in front
of their businesses. And a law enforcement person came and said,
whatever you do, do not slow the traffic down, because
they said, what they've found in studies with traffic is
traffic traffic can be moving at a slow rate of speed,
(15:36):
but as long as the traffic is actually moving, there
is hope and optimism. And in cases where even if
you're moving at five miles an hour, there are much
fewer cases of road rage and road incidents than when
traffic is stopped because at a stop, subconsciously most people
feel hopeless, right, Yeah, And that always stood with me
(15:57):
about just so many other things, because that the idea
of the American dream isn't that for many people isn't
so much. We all have dreams when we're kids, right,
and then adult that happens and you're like, oh, that's cute.
It's the idea that you can elevate, not someday that
you're going to go from you know, a pauper to
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a Rockefeller, but you can elevate yourself to a better life,
a comfortable life, a better existence than you had before.
That there is hope giving the key where there's hope
in your work, there is hope in the effort that
you're putting forward and what you're finding now because of
let's face it, the way the economy is rigged against
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regular people, the way the government has printed us into inflation,
that people just see their monies that they're earning getting
swallowed up. I went to the grocery store yesterday, I
don't know, eight or nine back of groceries ninety some
odd dollars, and it was like, holy smokes, again, I'm
(17:05):
not buying meat, like it's just like basic stuff that
even that refrigerator like, right, I go to Barton that
event on Sunday, night, and it was fun, Like I
love the people. There was a great event. I always
loved going. I do it every year and made good money.
But there's subconsciously part of you that goes all this
is going to that fridge. None of this is going
(17:25):
back to me. Sure, it's all going towards something that
while you have to have a fridge, a week ago,
I didn't need a fridge. It was like, I have
the same thing I'm gonna happ before, which is a
refrigerator in my house. It's not even a better fridge,
probably not even as good a fridge. And so you
can extrapolate that out to think about that over years
(17:46):
and years of service, where I'm just talking about some
one off thing, years and years of you know, working
and getting up and going, and people just it really
messes with them if they feel like they're working hard
but they're not getting ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
So the Wall Street Journal has been doing this poll
for fifteen years and they say this is the highest
level of skepticism about the American dream. And all of
that time, only twenty five percent of people believe they
have a good chance of improving their standard of living.
And it's the lowest since nineteen eighty seven. Many older
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generations people feel had it easier, especially when it comes
to buying homes or starting businesses or being stay at
home parents. The one thing that I always think about, though,
is yes, they may have had it easier. However, the
interest rate was really high for many years, but the
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house they were buying was much smaller, and the older
generation wasn't going out to restaurants all the time, and
entertainment was found within the family at home.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Ah, you just hit the thing, which is I think
the life that we valued, or the things that we
valued in life in previous generations made it easier to
believe you were having a better life and elevate yourself.
(19:16):
Like you know, people joke about my lamenting of the
death of the fields and the farmland and stuff. There's
a reason though that I feel that way, because for
generations that was good, that was sure decent, that meant
something to people, and we've sort of just entered this
(19:40):
and we're all guilty of it, or at least most
of us are guilty of this. From me included where
you're just go, go, go, instant, instant, instant, all the time,
whatever we want.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
And a high level of consumerism and.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
People just people just they they I don't know if
they forget, I don't know. Like I was thinking last
night when my daughter and I went for a walk,
and I was thinking about how all the things that
have changed in my town, and I was thinking like, well,
but I'm basically like the only person left here right
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like everybody else love, Yeah, like the you know, everybody's
so different. I haven't changed. So it's like, well, why
would those people care they're not here anymore. They don't.
They didn't spend all their time here like they go
places and do different things. So I just, I just
We've got a serious problem in this country, though, which
is the inability to elevate classes anymore or your position
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in the classes. And there are certain skill skill sets
that will be able to avoid, at least for a time,
artificial intelligence that'll be able to push that off. But
it's not going to get better. There's going to be
more and more jobs that are going to go away.
It's going to be more and more positions. I mean,
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I saw Tony was talking about this this morning, that
Salesforce is laying off a whole bunch of people because
of AI.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Yep and they're saying, twenty thirty four, it's the year
where you won't recognize anything compared to today.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
And the older I get, the more I realize quiet
was good and calm was good, and just having the
thing that you had in the communion in which you
had it, and celebrating those things that made up the
little area in which you lived made people more happy
(21:39):
and more content. And also because they didn't have the
continual pressure and burden of having to have the newest
thing and the best thing, the newest phone and the
newest abust whatever, right, they were able to find happiness
and the things that matter, and then the things that
they wanted they put a value in a premium on
and it meant something to obtain it, and so they
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were more happy because they could have those things.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
So are you saying the American dream isn't dead, it's
just changed.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
No, I think we're toast. No no no no no
no no no no no no.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
No, that's kind No.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
I just I think, And I don't mean to mean
mister doom and gloom, which I never.
Speaker 2 (22:17):
Am, of course, no always so super.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
But somebody explained to me how this gets better for
the middle class I'm willing to hear it. I'm willing
to hear because education it used to be an abduel
and I used talk about this for years.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Sure, education would elevate you out of where your skill
sets trades, and now it's a burden with loans.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Yeah, and you're whatever position you're in, you're going to
someday become a victim of artificial intelligence. Your position, your education,
no matter how great it might be, unless it's the
very tippy top, people are simply not going to outlast
artificial intelligence.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
You're listening to Kennelly Casey. It is ninety three, WIBC.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Did the horrible recover of this Crimson and Clover it's
a Jone chet.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Yes, and the Black Hearts? That's right, don't ever ever?
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Oh that's right, you did.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Didn't you forget the Black Heart?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Did? Do you want to have? I know you've told
that story before. That's great. You want to know what
a bunch of a holes these entertainers are tell that story?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, I was introducing Joe Jet on stage, I believe
it was in South Bend, and I said, you know
all had everybody big round of loots. This make some noise.
Jone Jet, and she walked out and she said to me,
you forgot the Black Hearts And I said whoops, and
she said, get out there and do it done, so
I did, so I went back on. I said, all right,
here we go Joe Jet and the black carts.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
So think about this. She could have like common decency
would be like, hey, the DJ's out there trying, she's
getting people pumped up. She said my name correctly, obviously
I got this band, and then you just walk out
there and go hey, she tried really hard. Thanks for Hey, Casey,
thanks to the great intro, and how about these black carts?
Like but no, she had to like just berate.
Speaker 2 (24:07):
You to make herself fie good. And she was sticking
up for her band.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
No, she was.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Being a horrible, rotten human.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
You know, I'll take the airror. It was my bad.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
I should No, don't ever, that is just that is gross.
I mean, I love that story because it is such
an insight into how horrible so many of these entertainers are. Like, lady,
you're playing. It wasn't Notre Dame Stadium, was it.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
No? It was at the ballpark. Yeah, And it was
like one of many I think lover boys that's what
I well.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
You're I mean she was. I think she Wasn't she
the opening act for Billie Idol last week? I think
she was the open Okay, Like you had a few
hits forty plus years ago, right, good on you, congratulations
and congratulations for your success. But you're almost always the
opening act for someone else, or you're part of some
(25:02):
festival of other we had hits forty years ago. Groups,
you don't get to big time anyone other than saying
thanks for the fabulous that are dug y.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Yeah, she did big timy. But the thing was I
know that I was thinking because we work through promotions
companies that book the band, Like had I made his
artist mad, they would have not booked any bands and
involved the radio station in the future. I mean I was,
you know, I was carrying the corporate message that day. Rob.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, but it's a conversation about human decency, and I
think that's a bigger thing, like our whole It's like
it's our whole society, right, I mean that's where we're
at anymore. Where people we've laughed about this, people meet
me in person, like he's such a nice guy, right, yeah,
because as a human being, I was raised to be
(25:53):
a decent person. I was raised to, you know, treat
us with the respect. And if somebody's gonna come up
and say, you know, the emails, when our respond to people,
you know, all those sorts of things. Now, people won't
get lippy with me. I'll get lippy back with them.
But the point is people who will email say hey,
love the show, thanks for or come up in person
or whatever. That's an honor.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
So what would you do if you were in this
situation and somebody is introducing you on stage and they're like,
all right, everyone does make some noise. Here we go.
It's Kendall and I'm walking out there with you. Would
you be like, get out there and do it again.
You forgot Casey.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
No, it would be like, hey, I'm Rob Kendall of
the Kendall and Casey Show, and let's not forget the
best half, the most important half of the Kendall and
Casey Show, Casey day.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
It'll just done it yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yes, because unless somebody is doing something malicious. Right, but
everything's got to be a federal case now, right, except
with the government. People will tolerate anything from their government, right,
That's true. But the kid at the taco bell or
you on stage, or everybody's got to be offended by something.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Somebody told me something once that you could post something
on Twitter that was just completely non offensive, just like
a nice day, and somebody is going to take offense
to that and be like, don't tell me what to do. Wow,
I'm just trying to say I have a nice day. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
And that's you know, that's the thing that we come
back to a lot, which is and I'm not trying
to say obviously I use it, people shouldn't use social media.
I just think everybody feels so elevated and amplified because
platform you're in the same world as everybody else that
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you like, you just think I can do whatever, and
it's just like, you know, outside of me hating my government,
and I can't begin to tell you how legitimate that is.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Ye.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I always just try to handle myself with people where
it's like, hey, I've been in that position. You know,
if somebody screws up your order at the restaurant, Hey
I work there. You know, you're like, unless somebody's not
trying or going out of their way to be just rotten,
despicable human being, then just give them a little grace.
Speaker 2 (28:05):
Yeah, so you said that you wanted to talk about
some incompetence.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Oh yeah, government, how about this? They're well, so they're done.
This is a long standing thing in my for our listeners.
They built that giant road. The school system in Brownsburg
built that giant road in the backyards of my neighbors,
and of course just dumped dirt and dust and everything else.
And they tried to tear those houses down and spin
off a roundabout onto my street. And we're like, not today, buddy. Yeah,
(28:31):
And look I was mad because it doesn't really affect me.
I'm on the other side of the street. But for
all these people that were getting screwed, well, now they're
done with that and they're onto the next thing. Here's
the next thing they're doing outside of Brownsburg High School.
Are you ready for this? So about twenty years ago,
they built a track like a for track and field
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directly to the east of the high school. The problem
was they build it going in the wrong direction so
that the sun is like always in people's eyes. So
think about this government spends I don't know, I don't
know what to track cost in In the mid two thousands,
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I'm sure it was over a million dollars. It had
to be all this money. And it's so ill conceived
that they build it in the wrong direction, which very
much dilutes their ability to have events at the thing
because you can't have people like running or jumping or
whatever into the setting sun.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Okay, so they're redoing it.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Oh, it gets better, they're tearing it down. They I
think they did a land swap with the softball fields
that are right next door. They're gonna pay to move
the track to where the softball fields are, and they're
gonna put a parking lot where the track that was
built in the wrong direction is okay, Now, can you
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think of a mistake in any company the magnitude of
millions of dollars that is that grossly incompetent, in which
everybody wouldn't have been run out and the people would
have been outraged.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Right, But they don't care because it's not their money.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
And yes, and they have so much money. And again
we clarify this, Brownsburg's actually one of the good guys
in this very bad equation because at least they're not
referend to people. But this is gross that they're going
to spend all this money. They have so much money
that they can afford to move a track. It's not
like a football stadium, no offense. If you're on the
track team, I'm sure it's many wonderful people and they
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probably try very hard, and that's great. You make zero.
You are a revenue sucker. If you're on the track.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Team, it's going to be a dirt tracker. Is it
going to be one of those oh tracks with the
little rubber Yes.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Yea, the finest whatever the thing is. But they'll tell
you that they're out of money, and there's they become
poor singing orphans because you got three hundred dollars back
on your property taxes. But they have so much money
that just for fun, so they can host some track meets.
I mean the track still worked, right, you practice there,
you could throw on it. Yeah, you could do all
the things.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
But because of their own incompetence, which will just ignore,
and they have so much money and they're just mad
they can't host events that they're going to pay all
this money to move the track right across the street.
But you getting that three hundred dollars, you're an a
hole and you.
Speaker 2 (31:21):
Hating kids, Casey, well, did you see that there's some
people complaining mayors across Indiana confronting a crisis, the financial
crunch caused by the state's property tax reform. I saw
old reform and air quotes. By the way, I.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Sold, I saw our old pal Mayor. I have a
taxpayer funded hotel and palladium and reflexive pool, the Supingo
and Carmels. She was crying poverty. Yes, yeah, nothing so Carmel.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
So now as the Beech Grove Common Council as well,
they're preparing their twenty six budget and they're they're facing
potential millions in losses.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Maybe the answer is just your poor planning and incompetence.
Oh yeah, just a thought. And by the way, if
you got a taxpayer funded hotel.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
A taxpair funded.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Hotel, you don't ever, I mean ever get to talk
about how somebody get getting three hundred dollars back might
negatively impact your community.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
A duel's going to join us.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Next, we're talking about the maps. Yeah, the map or
the proposed map or the alleged proposal.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Shall I get my crans and come up with my
version of the map. It's Kendall and Casey it's ninety three.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
Wy easy, I'm.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Gonna rid mesself hell in the shade of flee.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
So let's talk some more about this wild and wacky map.
The whole thing's kind of wild and wacky. It is
the Kendle and Casey Show. I'm Rob Casey's here. Look
good is he's an author, he's a broadcaster, he's a provocateur,
owner operator of Indie Politics dot orga to will keep shabaz.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Hello, oh my friend, how's it going this morning?
Speaker 3 (33:09):
Well, I'm all right.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
We talked with the merit about this earlier and throughout
the course of the program today. Fox fifty nine Hannah Adamson,
also CBS four, they're owned by the same group, tweeted
out this alleged map that is supposedly under consideration by
somebody to be the map that they will divide the
congressional districts up into, and humanity has absolutely lost their
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mind over it. Now, there's no proof that this is
indeed the map there. They won't say who the map
came from. He won't even say how the map originated.
But it's interesting. Well, that's what we were talking about.
The state. How's happenings? Look it is interesting that a
like a it is something you would put in your
cheat sheet subscription publication, you know, which you describe as
(33:55):
what rumor, gods and political and new Indo. Yeah, where
it's like, Okay, this is something that's floating around out there.
Wouldn't this be interesting? They're a TV station, they must
have got it from a pretty good sort of what
they feel is a pretty good source for them to
put it put it out, because if that map ends
up looking nothing like that, they're all gonna look pretty foolish.
So I'm very curious who they got it from and
why they decided to run with it, because it has
(34:17):
created a ton of conversation.
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Well, when I when I look at the map, and
I kind of studied it intensely, and I kind of
looked at what they were doing with the first district,
which is Lake County, the seven district, which is in
Marin County. All I can think it was one of
those old rors shark tests where where you look at
you look at the image and what's the first thing
that comes to mind when you look at the image,
And the first thing you came to mind was lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit,
What do you right sack lawsuit, equal protection rights lawsuit.
(34:41):
All I can see it was a big gared or
shard test if that's a map that folks are going
to use for for litigation, because if if you look
at the way the maps are drawn, the first district
is basically almost so of gone and the seven district
is been carved up into three parts. And as our
good friend, you know, Jim Merritt said, when we they
said house happenings this week, he said, no, this is
(35:02):
to no neutralize no Lake County voters. And you know
Marion County Democrats like, no, gym, let's just call a
spade a space. Literally, it's it's basically it's diluting black
vote is what it is. What it is doing because
African Americans make up a significant portion of that Gary
area up in the first district. Also here in Indianapolis
Marion County. And you start taking around with that, you
got voting rights lawsuit written all over you.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Yeah, so that obviously the big thing is that Marion
County under this map would be cut up into three
separate districts. And okay, so you get rid of Andre
Carson and I can't I think it was Yeah, it
was Merrit who said, this is state House happenings. Okay,
you might get rid of him from Congress maybe, but
(35:48):
get ready for Mayor Carson then, because he's not going
to go work at a Wendy's right. I mean, Andre
Carson is not going to just go away because you
jerrymandered him out of the United States States Congress and
I don't really want him to be the mayor of Indianapolis.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
And here's something else think about too, is if you
divide Marrion kinda up into three congression districts, Mary Kunty is,
basically it's six hundred thousand voters per congressional district, give
or take. That means those other two hundred thousand votess
got to go somewhere, and they're not going to stop
being Democrats just because they're in a in a new district. Also,
by i'llge to this, by making by getting rid of
(36:22):
the seventh and making the first less democrat, less more Republican,
you make the other districts more democratic?
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Well you do. Now, this is what's interesting because Niki
Kelly basically alluded to this last week our on Our
program from the Capitol Chronicle. She said, well, they'll probably
and she didn't say this verbatim, but she basically alluded to, well,
they'll just redraw these districts again in a couple of years.
And what you kind of started to realize is this
exercise and all the cost and pissing everybody off and
everything else is not about serving Indiana. It's about serving
(36:52):
Donald Trump. Yep. He doesn't want to deal with a
Democrat Congress his last two years in office, and so
they're going to do all this stuff basically two to
four years, and then they'll redraw him back once the
census and they'll probably end up going back to the
original maps, and that if that is the truth, then
that is just totally unacceptable on so many levels.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
So think about this in a tie where Indiana. You know,
the financials are't okay, but there's not a whole lot
of extra money folding, right.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Why had to raise taxes by a billion dollars to
pay the bills you gotta got?
Speaker 4 (37:22):
You're basically going to basically buy a million dollar lawsuit
because five hundred thousand dollars for the first litigation, another
five thousand off for the next litigation coming through. Uh,
you didn't call a special session for healthcare. Didn't call
a special session for your for your pet issue property tax,
that's right, didn't call a special session or anything for
for road funding. But you're gonna call a special session
to draw a.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
Map, and they have they now cannot. They have no
other excuse because they ran out with this so fast
that it is just politics. Like Andrew Ireland basically admitted
that on our show last week, and kudos dam he's
the most honest right where this is totally political. We're
getting and brawn kind said to say thing on Hammer
and Nigel that this is he's mad about Massachusetts, which
(38:03):
is very weird. But my point is, are we really
doing all this so that we can have two more
Jefferson Shreeves in the Congress? Like what is having two more?
Because you're not gonna get you know, strong conservatives in
the If you're a factor in Marion County into a
lot of this, you're probably not gonna get a strong conservative.
You're also probably not gonna get a strong conservative up
in that first because you still got Lake County in
(38:24):
the district, which means there's a chance it would go
Democrat even if you redrew the map. So are we
really And by the way, I'm excited about two more
Jefferson Shreeves.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
And I also i'd argue two is you put you know,
Jim Bairt is his history is now more democratic. No,
the eighth district, whoever's that has becomes more democratic and
the statuts becomes more Democrat the fifth like you're you're
not really, you're changing the map, but not really changing
the dynamics of the situation. And by the way, also too,
you really any Republicans you had in Marion County or
(38:55):
hamil together are probably pretty much going to be gone. Yeah,
guess folks are gonna come out and droves. So why
why why are you look at a bigger picture of
the Congression maps here? I'll think you're forgetting like the
state maps and State center maps, and you know, and
mayor's races in the whole and county races in the
whole nine yards because there's that there's a purple section
north of eighty sixth Street, No. Two sixty seven Route
nine that's kind of sort of changed. Anyway, you want
(39:17):
to accelerate that change, that's what you do. Yeah, And
that's okay. Two points one, that's exactly what happened under Obama.
Or remember Obama won twice, but they lost all those
state house, state senate may across the country under under
governor's offices. Under Obama, it's like, oh, congratulations, you did well.
Everybody else got smoked. So that's what the public thought
of you. Right, you take the personality out of the equation.
(39:38):
You can't win on the policies. But so so there is,
you know, a track record on this.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
But you're right. The party is afraid of Donald Trump.
The Republican Party is afraid of Donald Trump. The base
of the party's afraid of Trump. The public at large
and polling bears this out. It's not in love with
Donald Trump. They're not. They're not gonna look at you
doing this and go, oh right, you're helping Trump. Let
me rush right out and vote for you. And you're
absolutely right on what could be the longer term could
(40:05):
be the longer term ramific.
Speaker 4 (40:06):
And here's the other part of this too, which I
don't understand, what with my Republican friends, I gotta do some
checking on this this week, is what are you actually
afraid of? Okay, let's say you don't vote for redistricting. Okay,
so don't run somebody against you. What are they gonna
run on?
Speaker 2 (40:22):
Right?
Speaker 1 (40:22):
And how he's gonna get somebody in a couple of months,
which is all the time he's gonna have, and he's
gonna do this all over the country for anybody. He's
just gonna be finding thousands of candidates or hundreds of
candidates to run. This is the point I made about
guys like Craig Haggard, little gutlass backstabbers like Craig Haggard
who came on our show and said the maps are fine,
and then Charlie Kirk threatened him and he just totally
(40:44):
cowered under the under the desk, and and and crawled
in a fetal position. I said, you think Charlie Kirk
is gonna spend his days recruiting some somebody to run
against you in Mooresville? Like, that's what you think Charlie
Kirk is gonna These people don't understand media, they don't
understan how it works. And you're right, if they would
just use common sense, they would say this is dumb
(41:05):
or done.
Speaker 4 (41:06):
Because here's the other flip side too. Let's say you
do draw the maps or don't draw the mapps. Let's
say you get Let's say you get a challenger like, hey,
I don't like this, I'm gonna run against you.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
It will exactly hey if you do, if you don't,
abduel is with us just a couple of minutes left here.
So you actually had an interesting piece that you asked
artificial intelligence to help you play this out. If they
pass these maps, what would happen and what did the
computer tell you was going to go down? It was
like those storybooks, No go here, yeah, yeah, choose your
(41:35):
own adventure. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
I was like, okay, let's like, let's see what it
also would look like. Let's just do the voting rights lawsuit.
So a time of voting rights lawsuit out Like, okay,
that's interesting. Now what would the defense say, which would
be the State of Indiana Todd raketa, god forbid if there,
if you're still there? So that okay. So we have
the plain and if we have the defendant. I think
the courts would say and the course would basically say,
(41:57):
the state loses. Yeah, there's an injunction.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I think under the current court rulings that, especially the
Marion County stuff, would be very difficult to pass, but
there is a I think it's Louisy and has a
case in front of the Supreme Court which may just
gut the Voting Rights Act. If they do that, then
I think all bets are off. I think I can
do about whatever you want, but I think right now, yeah,
until that gets decided, you might have a point on that,
(42:21):
all right. Thank you as always a dual find him
at indiepolitics dot org. Get yourself a cheat sheet subscription.
While you're there, dul keeps you baas, Thank you, thank you.
That's gonna do it for us today. Thank you to Kevin,
thanks to Casey, and most importantly, thank you to you.
Without you, there is no US. It's Kennelly Casey Show
ninety three, WIBC.
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