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Speaker 1 (00:00):
There may be some clear cut answer for this. If
you haven't actually really accomplished anything, should you get a
major reward.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A major award? It's Fred Gilly.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You're talking about the Nobel Peace Prize nomination, right, Donald Trump? Right?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Okay, this just to play out with me with this term, right.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, I was saying he didn't have some fine efforts
in the first term, but that was.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
A long time ago.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You'd think if he was gonna be nominated or win
for that, that they would have done that. Now, look,
these awards are all a joke anyway. It's whose line
is it anyway, where the game's made up and the
rules don't matter. Obama won one of these, and of
course he just bombed a bunch of people into oblivion.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But just just for.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The premise of this exercise, let's just pretend everything's on.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The up and up, shall we.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, all right, so Trump has been president for eight months.
He did bomb ran into oblivion. Which I'm not saying
that's bad. I'm not just saying.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That's wrong something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm just I'm just just reiterating facts as we know them.
That doesn't sound like uber peaceful, right. The Palestinians and Israelis.
While there was a peace deal negotiated, it does not
appear really people are adhering to the tenets of the deal.
I mean, I just heard on the news well every
day pretty much about how they're still throwing various high
powered weaponry at each other. And last I checked, Russia
(01:20):
and the Ukraine still involved in a pretty serious international
conflict where people are dying. Thus the premise of having
the people come to the White House and Trump going
to Alaska at all? Right, Okay, so if you haven't
really accomplished peace, I mean, you have talked about peace,
you have advocated for peace, right, but yamn a coll
(01:44):
and you did do the bombing, which again not not
opposed to that, not saying that was wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Are you? Are you?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Should you win the major award four piece if you
really haven't accomplished any peace, So.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Even trying to get peace isn't worthy in.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean when they gave it to Obama, it's like
the Sagamore of the Waalbash. Once upon a time, a
great meaningful award that was given to the best amongst
us that served our state. Now they just give it
to donors. And cronies and political people. Right, it doesn't
mean anything anymore. I feel the same way about the
Nobel Peace Prize. Probably once upon a time, really prestigious
people who advocated for great things. When they gave it
(02:23):
to Obama, I think the meaning went out the door.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So there have been multiple world leaders who have nominated Trump.
The Pakistani government nominated him in June, citing his role
in ending a four day conflict between Indian and Pakistan.
You have the Israeli Prime Minister An Yaho. He sent
a letter in July nominating Trump. In August, the Cambodian
Prime Minister credited Trump for advocating for a ceasefire between
(02:48):
Cambodian and Thai armies. You also had some other world
leaders nominating Trump for his August eighth Piece summit. And
again you mentioned the August fifteenth sum in Alaska with
Vladimir Putin and also many meetings that he's had with
Zelensky and other European leaders. So you have had some
(03:08):
world leaders who are recognizing him. I think there was
like forty monks who were nominating him. But now we
have somebody here in Indiana who's saying he's deserving real.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Quick before we get to that, though, the problem is
he wants it so bad, like we laugh hysterically about
me and the Sagamore, like it's just a running joke
on our show. Look, I'm never getting that award. What
they've deluded it down to. There are many great people
I know who have them and who got them in
the olden days when they were still prestigious. Have a
dear family friend who got one. Those people totally deserved it.
They have so deluded that thing now it means nothing
(03:42):
to the people who are getting them today.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
We joke about me and the School Hall.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of Fame, right, also never getting into that, like we
joke about these things because it's funny. Trump really wants
this award, like when you're I mean, he basically has
been out there begging for the award, and when you
when you're telling people you and it's meaningless.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Look at the people they've given it to. Why do
you want this award so bad?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Like it's in his mind it's still the nineteen eighties
and it's still this uber prestigious thing where they actually
gave it to people who were advocating for peace.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
They don't do that anymore. It's just it's a political award.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now is it a plaque or is it a I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Tell you how does it come?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Because if it's a plaque sort of thing, you know,
he would hang it in the oval office and anytime
anybody comes to visit he would point it out.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Did you know, well exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It sort of takes like, if you want the thing,
it almost feels like everything you're doing is for the thing,
rather than I'm just doing it because it's the right
thing to do. Oh and how nice of society to
bestow this honor upon me because I went out of
my way to do the right thing. It sort of
feels like he wants the award so bad that everything
(04:51):
he does is about whether or not he can get
the award.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, I've got it. Here it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's a gold medal maybe eighteen carrot recycled goldways one
hundred and seventy five. Uh. There's also an official Nobel diploma,
which is a handwritten Each diploma is unique. There's also
a cash award with it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
A cash award, like does it say what the number is?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The amount varies?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yet, Now you've got my attention.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's been around.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It carries the year by ear.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Is it like very between one and nine million dollars
or does it very between line?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, it varies between nine hundred thousand dollars to one
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh so, I mean it's so it's pretty close, right.
I mean you might feel a little slighted if you
were one at the year that you got nine hundred k.
But if someone handed you nine hundred k, you wouldn't
be like, well you dirty, rotten, no good, you know what,
although you would rather win it the year you get
the million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right, yeah, pick me on the good year.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Why does it change? Does it say?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Whatever you're looking at now that would be fascinated to know, Hey,
we came up a little short that we passed around
the hat it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Were you were almost worthy one million dollar Nobel price
almost all right?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So what's what's going on here with somebody here is
involved in this?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh boy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Marlon Stutsman, oh No, Indiana's third congressional district representative. He's
advocating for president to win to receive the Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You know, Marlin's a really sad story because, as many
people know, I worked for Marlin.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I worked for him.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I got to know him and work for him when
he ran for US Senate against Todd Young in twenty sixteen.
And I really admired Marlon Stutsman because in the Congress
he was a Massy before Massy was cool type of guy.
He was one of those guys. He voted all the
time against things that the party wanted. He was very quiet.
He was not boisterous or robust in his personality. But
(06:39):
I got to know him, and he was very quietly
a guy who did hard things and went about his business.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And I never I mean, he should have.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He elevated himself up the latter he was in the
General Assembly and then became a congressman and blah blah blah.
But I never saw him as some guy who really
wanted to be a politician. But clearly he has shown
because what happened to Marlon Stutsman he ran against Todd Young,
because Marlin had been such an independent voice in the House,
Mitch mcconne was like, uh, ain't dealing with this guy,
(07:08):
and they put a gajillion dollars behind Todd Young to
win that primary. And one of the things I had
kind of admired about Marlin was he had just sort
of said.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Well, you know, I lost doing the right thing. You know,
I'll go be a farmer again.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He has shown himself on multiple occasions, this time though,
as a guy who he must have really wanted it,
because he has turned into a proud card carring member
of butt Sniffers r US.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I mean he is he voted for all.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
The old Marlin would have never voted for that spending
bill that got approve, the big Bullcrab bill, and not
only did he vote for it, he was a leading
advocate for it. The old Marlin would have never been
down with the rigging of the of the congressional districts.
He would have pointed out how unfair they were. He
certainly wouldn't have gone along, you know, with this sort
(07:55):
of thing. And that's so sad to see. I mean,
they get everybody, Casey, it's Hotel California. You can check
out any time you like, but you can never really
they get everybody. They get everybody, and they've even gotten Marlin.
And it's like, man, that is so sad to see
somebody who I once really admired just totally he's it's
(08:16):
like he's back, and he's like, well, I'm not gonna
let I'm not gonna let this happen again where the
party gets me if I want to run for a
higher office. I mean, that's the only logical thing is
that he so covets the office, whether it's the current seat,
which by the way, he represents the Fort Wayne area
northeast corner of the state, that he so needs that
or wants that, and or political higher aspirations if he
(08:36):
runs again. That's just really disheartening.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So two days ago him along with a representative from Tennessee,
they sent a letter to the Norwegian Nobel Committee nominating
Trump for the award.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You send that by FedEx or what do you? What
do you do?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
How do you get that to them? Hey, get on
a boat, buddy, send that over there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They wrote that Trump's leadership helped deescalate globe conflicts and
foster peace peaceful resolutions.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, but why are you wasting your time doing this?
Like you're a congressman.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a gadjillion things going on in our country and
your focus is on getting some guy a meaningless award
that he's obsessed with.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, again, it's another example.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
The reason this matters, right, is it's another example of
how these guys in the Congress who are supposed to
be regardless of what party and power, and obviously there's
there's always a certain synergy. Parties have blueprints, they have plans,
but the ultimate job of why we send people to
Congress is not to be a teammate or an opposition
to the president.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's to be a check and balance. If there's areas
you agree, great, you vote together. If there's areas you
don't agree, you push back.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And all we see now in terms of our Congress
is just, hey, if it's Democrat, it's blanket opposition, and
if you're a Republican, it's blatant Aaron boy, you know behavior,
And like there's no there's no semblance of being able
to find what's good and what's bad. We've just so
dug ourselves into the teams on both sides, and that's
(10:09):
the way we govern now.
There may be some clear cut answer for this. If
you haven't actually really accomplished anything, should you get a
major reward.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A major award? It's Fred Gilly.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
You're talking about the Nobel Peace Prize nomination, right, Donald Trump? Right?
Speaker 4 (00:17):
Okay, this just to play out with me with this term, right.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Yeah, I was saying he didn't have some fine efforts
in the first term, but that was.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
A long time ago.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
You'd think if he was gonna be nominated or win
for that, that they would have done that. Now, look,
these awards are all a joke anyway. It's whose line
is it anyway, where the game's made up and the
rules don't matter. Obama won one of these, and of
course he just bombed a bunch of people into oblivion.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
But just just for.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
The premise of this exercise, let's just pretend everything's on.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
The up and up, shall we.
Speaker 1 (00:42):
Okay, all right, so Trump has been president for eight months.
He did bomb ran into oblivion. Which I'm not saying
that's bad. I'm not just saying.
Speaker 4 (00:54):
That's wrong something.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm just I'm just just reiterating facts as we know them.
That doesn't sound like uber peaceful, right. The Palestinians and Israelis.
While there was a peace deal negotiated, it does not
appear really people are adhering to the tenets of the deal.
I mean, I just heard on the news well every
day pretty much about how they're still throwing various high
powered weaponry at each other. And last I checked, Russia
(01:20):
and the Ukraine still involved in a pretty serious international
conflict where people are dying. Thus the premise of having
the people come to the White House and Trump going
to Alaska at all? Right, Okay, so if you haven't
really accomplished peace, I mean, you have talked about peace,
you have advocated for peace, right, but yamn a coll
(01:44):
and you did do the bombing, which again not not
opposed to that, not saying that was wrong.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Are you? Are you?
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Should you win the major award four piece if you
really haven't accomplished any peace, So.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Even trying to get peace isn't worthy in.
Speaker 4 (01:59):
Your well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I mean when they gave it to Obama, it's like
the Sagamore of the Waalbash. Once upon a time, a
great meaningful award that was given to the best amongst
us that served our state. Now they just give it
to donors. And cronies and political people. Right, it doesn't
mean anything anymore. I feel the same way about the
Nobel Peace Prize. Probably once upon a time, really prestigious
people who advocated for great things. When they gave it
(02:23):
to Obama, I think the meaning went out the door.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
So there have been multiple world leaders who have nominated Trump.
The Pakistani government nominated him in June, citing his role
in ending a four day conflict between Indian and Pakistan.
You have the Israeli Prime Minister An Yaho. He sent
a letter in July nominating Trump. In August, the Cambodian
Prime Minister credited Trump for advocating for a ceasefire between
(02:48):
Cambodian and Thai armies. You also had some other world
leaders nominating Trump for his August eighth Piece summit. And
again you mentioned the August fifteenth sum in Alaska with
Vladimir Putin and also many meetings that he's had with
Zelensky and other European leaders. So you have had some
(03:08):
world leaders who are recognizing him. I think there was
like forty monks who were nominating him. But now we
have somebody here in Indiana who's saying he's deserving real.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Quick before we get to that, though, the problem is
he wants it so bad, like we laugh hysterically about
me and the Sagamore, like it's just a running joke
on our show. Look, I'm never getting that award. What
they've deluded it down to. There are many great people
I know who have them and who got them in
the olden days when they were still prestigious. Have a
dear family friend who got one. Those people totally deserved it.
They have so deluded that thing now it means nothing
(03:42):
to the people who are getting them today.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
We joke about me and the School Hall.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Of Fame, right, also never getting into that, like we
joke about these things because it's funny. Trump really wants
this award, like when you're I mean, he basically has
been out there begging for the award, and when you
when you're telling people you and it's meaningless.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Look at the people they've given it to. Why do
you want this award so bad?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Like it's in his mind it's still the nineteen eighties
and it's still this uber prestigious thing where they actually
gave it to people who were advocating for peace.
Speaker 4 (04:14):
They don't do that anymore. It's just it's a political award.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Now is it a plaque or is it a I
don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
It's a great question.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Tell you how does it come?
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Because if it's a plaque sort of thing, you know,
he would hang it in the oval office and anytime
anybody comes to visit he would point it out.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Did you know, well exactly.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
It sort of takes like, if you want the thing,
it almost feels like everything you're doing is for the thing,
rather than I'm just doing it because it's the right
thing to do. Oh and how nice of society to
bestow this honor upon me because I went out of
my way to do the right thing. It sort of
feels like he wants the award so bad that everything
(04:51):
he does is about whether or not he can get
the award.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Okay, I've got it. Here it is.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
It's a gold medal maybe eighteen carrot recycled goldways one
hundred and seventy five. Uh. There's also an official Nobel diploma,
which is a handwritten Each diploma is unique. There's also
a cash award with it.
Speaker 4 (05:09):
A cash award, like does it say what the number is?
Speaker 2 (05:11):
The amount varies?
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yet, Now you've got my attention.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
It's been around.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
It carries the year by ear.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Is it like very between one and nine million dollars
or does it very between line?
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Yeah, it varies between nine hundred thousand dollars to one
million dollars.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh so, I mean it's so it's pretty close, right.
I mean you might feel a little slighted if you
were one at the year that you got nine hundred k.
But if someone handed you nine hundred k, you wouldn't
be like, well you dirty, rotten, no good, you know what,
although you would rather win it the year you get
the million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Right, yeah, pick me on the good year.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
Why does it change? Does it say?
Speaker 1 (05:43):
Whatever you're looking at now that would be fascinated to know, Hey,
we came up a little short that we passed around
the hat it.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Were you were almost worthy one million dollar Nobel price
almost all right?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So what's what's going on here with somebody here is
involved in this?
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Oh boy.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Marlon Stutsman, oh No, Indiana's third congressional district representative. He's
advocating for president to win to receive the Peace Prize.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You know, Marlin's a really sad story because, as many
people know, I worked for Marlin.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
I worked for him.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I got to know him and work for him when
he ran for US Senate against Todd Young in twenty sixteen.
And I really admired Marlon Stutsman because in the Congress
he was a Massy before Massy was cool type of guy.
He was one of those guys. He voted all the
time against things that the party wanted. He was very quiet.
He was not boisterous or robust in his personality. But
(06:39):
I got to know him, and he was very quietly
a guy who did hard things and went about his business.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
And I never I mean, he should have.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
He elevated himself up the latter he was in the
General Assembly and then became a congressman and blah blah blah.
But I never saw him as some guy who really
wanted to be a politician. But clearly he has shown
because what happened to Marlon Stutsman he ran against Todd Young,
because Marlin had been such an independent voice in the House,
Mitch mcconne was like, uh, ain't dealing with this guy,
(07:08):
and they put a gajillion dollars behind Todd Young to
win that primary. And one of the things I had
kind of admired about Marlin was he had just sort
of said.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Well, you know, I lost doing the right thing. You know,
I'll go be a farmer again.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
He has shown himself on multiple occasions, this time though,
as a guy who he must have really wanted it,
because he has turned into a proud card carring member
of butt Sniffers r US.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
I mean he is he voted for all.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
The old Marlin would have never voted for that spending
bill that got approve, the big Bullcrab bill, and not
only did he vote for it, he was a leading
advocate for it. The old Marlin would have never been
down with the rigging of the of the congressional districts.
He would have pointed out how unfair they were. He
certainly wouldn't have gone along, you know, with this sort
(07:55):
of thing. And that's so sad to see. I mean,
they get everybody, Casey, it's Hotel California. You can check
out any time you like, but you can never really
they get everybody. They get everybody, and they've even gotten Marlin.
And it's like, man, that is so sad to see
somebody who I once really admired just totally he's it's
(08:16):
like he's back, and he's like, well, I'm not gonna
let I'm not gonna let this happen again where the
party gets me if I want to run for a
higher office. I mean, that's the only logical thing is
that he so covets the office, whether it's the current seat,
which by the way, he represents the Fort Wayne area
northeast corner of the state, that he so needs that
or wants that, and or political higher aspirations if he
(08:36):
runs again. That's just really disheartening.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
So two days ago him along with a representative from Tennessee,
they sent a letter to the Norwegian Nobel Committee nominating
Trump for the award.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
You send that by FedEx or what do you? What
do you do?
Speaker 3 (08:51):
Do you?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
How do you get that to them? Hey, get on
a boat, buddy, send that over there.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They wrote that Trump's leadership helped deescalate globe conflicts and
foster peace peaceful resolutions.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Yeah, but why are you wasting your time doing this?
Like you're a congressman.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a gadjillion things going on in our country and
your focus is on getting some guy a meaningless award
that he's obsessed with.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
I mean, again, it's another example.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
The reason this matters, right, is it's another example of
how these guys in the Congress who are supposed to
be regardless of what party and power, and obviously there's
there's always a certain synergy. Parties have blueprints, they have plans,
but the ultimate job of why we send people to
Congress is not to be a teammate or an opposition
to the president.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
It's to be a check and balance. If there's areas
you agree, great, you vote together. If there's areas you
don't agree, you push back.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
And all we see now in terms of our Congress
is just, hey, if it's Democrat, it's blanket opposition, and
if you're a Republican, it's blatant Aaron boy, you know behavior,
And like there's no there's no semblance of being able
to find what's good and what's bad. We've just so
dug ourselves into the teams on both sides, and that's
(10:09):
the way we govern now.
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