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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is the Kenny Kasey Show. My name is Craig Collins.
The audio may have changed as I'm on a phone
line with some power issues where I'm broadcasting from. But
Darna dead doesn't matter. We got Ryan Hendrick talking about
the Vice president. Ryan, how do you knowing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you Craig.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Good? Good, real good? Dadie Vance in Indianapolis. He wants
to read district all of India or all of Indiana.
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah? So, I mean seven of the nine congressional seats
are already read right like, we are the reddest of
the red in the country, one of the most redded states,
maybe the redit state in the country. But Republicans from
the Trump administration have been pushing this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And JD.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Vance was in Indiana in August and there are a
lot of interesting looking protesters outside the state House right now.
I just jogged over, which the station is like five
minutes from the state House. So I jogged over between
the nine and nine thirty news cast to see what
I can see and I met two people in Craig,
this is crazy. They are They dragged a couch out
(01:03):
of their truck. They got here at six in the morning,
they dragged a couch out of their trunk. They're parked
right in front of the state House, and here's what
they had to say.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Hey, this is Cassie Jackson, wormed out downtown in front
of the State House in Indianapolis, Indiana. We have the
Vice President jd Vance coming and we wanted to bring a.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Little gift from him for him.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We know he loves couches. Here's our tag, you know,
from Antifa, because I know he loves Antifa as well,
and he wanted to make him feel comfortable. Also going
to be gifting it to him if he'd like to
take it home at en.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My name's Mishal Mandrou from Anderson, Indiana. I'm down here
with Katherine here to protests to rediser king. We're not
gonna stand for tipping the scales that Republicans can maintain power.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, so a special session, this is what people were
freaking out about. Craig special session would cost taxpayers in
Indiana about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So Governor
Braun at first, according to my reporting, didn't seem too
keen on this, and then something changed in like the
(02:13):
past month where he was like Okay, well, everybody else
is talking about it, so we're going to start talking
about it as well. So the challenge is you're getting
people to a special session and there's only a there's
a really small window to do this right. You don't
have much time to get everybody in, to count the votes,
(02:33):
to get everybody on the same side. So it's going
to be a challenge, to say the least. But I
think it's interesting in the middle or not in the middle.
At the beginning of a government shutdown, we're like, what
ten days in So they're going to bring Air Force
two to Indianapolis and it's probably arriving here in a
couple of minutes, and Jade Vance is going to spend
you know, a few hours talking to Republican leadership here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, so a couple things Ryan in reaction to everything. First,
your job is incredible and your commitment to your job
is incredible because you decided to go to the State House.
And then you saw two people setting up a couch
that seem like they're crazy and they're like this SoundBite.
We got to talk to these people. We got to
know what they think. Do you have anything that you
left in the cutting room floor, Like, is there a
bunch of stuff? They said, They're like, I'm not going
(03:17):
to use that, can't use that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I mean they had they did have some choice
words for Rob Kendall off Mike. They this woman, her
name's Cass Jackson, and I think the Indie reporter retweeted this,
and she is no fan of Lieutenant Governor Micah beck With,
and Rob isn't. I'm not going to put words in
his mouth, but he's been outspoken against Lieutenant Governor beck With.
(03:42):
But she had some choice words for Rob Kendall in casey,
not a fan of theirs, not a fan of wibc's.
Although she does listen. Okay, yeah, she listens, so that's
that's a good thing. We ever pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, well that's nice. I think that the people who
are most angry sometimes listen the most, which is great
for us. We want the audience, so that's awesome. The
other thing, I just love the fact that you decided,
like you know, in between a half hour, that you're
gonna actually physically jog out of the state House close
by just to see You didn't know that there were
(04:16):
going to be some people setting up with a couch
and can I also complain about the laziness of the
couch move, Like, I know they're trying to make a point, yeah,
but still, if you're protesting, I think you got to stand.
I think that's one of the first things in the
protesting rules. So I already feel like they don't count
as far as protesters go because they're lazying this whole
thing up.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And they actually, I mean, I don't know if they're
actual Antifa members because I've been attacked by Antifa. Maybe
that's a different segment for later, but wow, they are
dressed like Antifa. So they told me that they're going
to have a more formal protest at noon to talk
about this. And I want to point out that in
twenty two, the governor, so the governor and Indiana is
(05:00):
the only one empowered to call a special session. So
there was like a two week special session in Indiana
I think in twenty two that cost taxpayers almost a
quarter of a million dollars. So that's another part of
this that's so contentious. Craig is like people that are
fiscally conservative are like, no, I don't want to call
a special session. Just leave the voting maps the way
(05:21):
they are, They're already dominating. Republicans are already dominating the stage.
Just leave it that way.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, I get it. I get the whole saving money thing,
and I get anybody that wants to you know, And
I guess, real quick, if you don't mind having a
conversation about the redistricting stuff itself, I actually live in Texas,
so we started it. You're welcome as far as that
all goes. It's our fault, not anybody else's. But I
guess the thing that I've seen from jump is that
(05:49):
Democrats have done an incredibly good job of gerrymandering the
crap out of very democratic places like Illinois or California
or New York, so much so that JB. Pritzk pops
up on television and while he's trying to attack Trump,
can't seem to justify the ridiculousness of the map in
Illinois and what it looks like. But they do it
every ten years, They do it every every chance that
(06:13):
they think is appropriate. It feels as though Republicans are
trying to fight fire with fire, and maybe haven't done
this as well in the past as they thought they could. Now. Granted,
Indiana is a tough place to choose because of how
red the state already is. But I just wonder if
that's a component that might make people say, well, if
we're trying to fight a system that's already been rigged
(06:36):
against us by playing the same game. Not that Republicans
are new to this, they've been jerrymandering too. I wonder
if that gets you over the hurdle of just not
wanting to see it happen, and especially if it works.
The other thing that I think would be terrible is
to spend a bunch of money and not have it work,
because people do still have to show up and vote places,
and there are times where voting doesn't go the way
(06:57):
you expect it to, and so a surprise win happened,
and it would be bad to spend money and lose. Yeah,
what are your thoughts on that? The fact that, yeah,
go ahead, Yah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You're gonna have to litigate all this stuff. You're gonna
have to get all the votes. You're gonna have to
make sure you have the votes to get this stuff done,
and then you're gonna have to find judges that are
gonna sign off on this because across the state, you're
gonna have judges running interference. Another thing about the redistricting
in Texas and California. I lived in California for twenty
two years, and I you know, I was pretty I
(07:30):
was pretty surprised about how flagrant the Democrats were with
the voting maps there. I mean, you'll never get Republicans.
You'll probably get another Republican governor ever again. And every
election cycle, every census that comes out California just finds
more ways to tighten the Democrat leash. And they had
(07:51):
the whole state jerrymandard in their favorites. So other states
do this. I think it's a dog and pony show.
Anytime people say you can't have Indiana strict, you know
two more of the congressional maps were already seven of nine.
It should happen if the Republicans are in charge, we
should redraw the maps to the favor of the power
of the party in charge.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Yeah, mostly because as you said, and it's funny
that you lived in California and I lived in Chicago,
Illinois for as long as I did. Because yes, those
maps are all ridiculous, and the odds of the other
party ever taking power was nonexistent. And the funny thing
about Illinois is you get outside of the city of
Chicago and it's as red as Indiana. Sure, like every
other part of that state feels red. And yet you
(08:36):
know the system is unfairly designed the way it is,
So why not fight that way? I wonder if that's
what Jade Vance will say. I doubt it. He's more
eloquent than I am about this stuff. You mentioned something
a second ago, though, Ryan, and I don't know if
we're up against a break, and I feel like most
of the listeners have been asking themselves this question since
you said it you were attacked by Antifa. Yeah, where
(08:58):
we could put on another show. I got time, buddy,
if you want to talk about Like, what have you
told this story before in WIBC.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, I have not told it on WIBC. It's the
opportunity has never come up. So back in twenty one,
I was working as an assistant program director at a
station in Frederick, Maryland, an AM news station with a
conservative format, and I got word that Antifa was going
to be on a Saturday standing in front of a
(09:27):
city council member's house protesting a vote that she had
about social justice. So I went out there, and you know,
they were dressed in black, they had a black umbrellas,
they had blinding flashlights. It was hard to cover them.
And I was standing between the council member's house and
the Antifa members about twenty deep, and they were standing
(09:49):
in the street. I was standing on a sidewalk and
they were boxing me into her porch and I got
scared because they were pushing the umbrellas to my face.
So I just snatched one of the umbrellas from their
hands so I could see what was going on behind
that umbrella, and they bum rushed me. And I bet
that if you google Ryan Hedrick from WFMD Radio attacked
(10:13):
by Antifa, there will be an article because it was
retweeted a lot of times, and I think I'm pretty
sure it got the attention of Andy no who's a
journalist that was almost killed by Antifa. So yeah, it
was one of the craziest, scariest assignments I've ever had.
And I thought the guy that rushed me had on
(10:35):
a bulletproof vest and a helmet and he was going
to hit me with this flashlight. I thought I was
going to die that night covering a news story.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wow, that's I'm horror. I'm first I feel horrible that
you had to go through something like that, but it
is amazing to hear you say that the reason that
they attacked you was because you were news media or
why do you think that they tried to harm you
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I think I did that because I snatched the umbrella
out of their hand. They got pissed off that I
would do that. The second thing is I had an
American flag cell phone cover case cover and I had
my fond pointed horizontally and they kept telling me I
was a stupid fascist for having an American flag phone
(11:20):
cover on my phone, So I was you know, they
do those tactics. They're famous. Those flashlights they hit you
with are like police swat flashlights where they blind your eyes,
and they have serious military tactics that they used, and
I can attest it's not hyperbole what other journalists are
going through. I do think it is military tactics, well organized,
(11:44):
well funded, and they are a big problem, a big,
big problem in Portland, Oregon right now that not a
lot of people are covering they're dangerous.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, I agree with you that it's a very very
big problem. Matt. It's surreal to hear you describe in
such great detail with someone you know who actually experienced
some firsthand, how horrific this can be, and how how
well you know organizes it seemed to be because it
seems that money funds it. I do hope Indianapolis sees
no version of that today. I hope they see no
(12:13):
version of a large turnout, you know, coming from other
but maybe they will. I don't know why. I'm suddenly
much happier that it's just two people on a couch.
And also I'm kind of impressed that you ran out
there to go see that, having the experience that you've
had in your life, and you're like, yeah, you know,
it's screw it, let's go see.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well you could you could follow on X. I posted
it on the X account, and I think we're going
to be uploading it to the WIBC social media channels
Instagram and Facebook. But yeah, check it out. I have
to go get ready for my ten o'clock newscast. Craig,
good chatting with you.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Busy perfect
This is the Kenny Kasey Show. My name is Craig Collins.
The audio may have changed as I'm on a phone
line with some power issues where I'm broadcasting from. But
Darna dead doesn't matter. We got Ryan Hendrick talking about
the Vice president. Ryan, how do you knowing, buddy?
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Are you Craig.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Good? Good, real good? Dadie Vance in Indianapolis. He wants
to read district all of India or all of Indiana.
What do you got?
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah? So, I mean seven of the nine congressional seats
are already read right like, we are the reddest of
the red in the country, one of the most redded states,
maybe the redit state in the country. But Republicans from
the Trump administration have been pushing this.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
And JD.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Vance was in Indiana in August and there are a
lot of interesting looking protesters outside the state House right now.
I just jogged over, which the station is like five
minutes from the state House. So I jogged over between
the nine and nine thirty news cast to see what
I can see and I met two people in Craig,
this is crazy. They are They dragged a couch out
(01:03):
of their truck. They got here at six in the morning,
they dragged a couch out of their trunk. They're parked
right in front of the state House, and here's what
they had to say.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Hey, this is Cassie Jackson, wormed out downtown in front
of the State House in Indianapolis, Indiana. We have the
Vice President jd Vance coming and we wanted to bring a.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
Little gift from him for him.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
We know he loves couches. Here's our tag, you know,
from Antifa, because I know he loves Antifa as well,
and he wanted to make him feel comfortable. Also going
to be gifting it to him if he'd like to
take it home at en.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
My name's Mishal Mandrou from Anderson, Indiana. I'm down here
with Katherine here to protests to rediser king. We're not
gonna stand for tipping the scales that Republicans can maintain power.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Yes, so a special session, this is what people were
freaking out about. Craig special session would cost taxpayers in
Indiana about one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. So Governor
Braun at first, according to my reporting, didn't seem too
keen on this, and then something changed in like the
(02:13):
past month where he was like Okay, well, everybody else
is talking about it, so we're going to start talking
about it as well. So the challenge is you're getting
people to a special session and there's only a there's
a really small window to do this right. You don't
have much time to get everybody in, to count the votes,
(02:33):
to get everybody on the same side. So it's going
to be a challenge, to say the least. But I
think it's interesting in the middle or not in the middle.
At the beginning of a government shutdown, we're like, what
ten days in So they're going to bring Air Force
two to Indianapolis and it's probably arriving here in a
couple of minutes, and Jade Vance is going to spend
you know, a few hours talking to Republican leadership here.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
Okay, so a couple things Ryan in reaction to everything. First,
your job is incredible and your commitment to your job
is incredible because you decided to go to the State House.
And then you saw two people setting up a couch
that seem like they're crazy and they're like this SoundBite.
We got to talk to these people. We got to
know what they think. Do you have anything that you
left in the cutting room floor, Like, is there a
bunch of stuff? They said, They're like, I'm not going
(03:17):
to use that, can't use that.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Well, I mean they had they did have some choice
words for Rob Kendall off Mike. They this woman, her
name's Cass Jackson, and I think the Indie reporter retweeted this,
and she is no fan of Lieutenant Governor Micah beck With,
and Rob isn't. I'm not going to put words in
his mouth, but he's been outspoken against Lieutenant Governor beck With.
(03:42):
But she had some choice words for Rob Kendall in casey,
not a fan of theirs, not a fan of wibc's.
Although she does listen. Okay, yeah, she listens, so that's
that's a good thing. We ever pointed in the right direction.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, well that's nice. I think that the people who
are most angry sometimes listen the most, which is great
for us. We want the audience, so that's awesome. The
other thing, I just love the fact that you decided,
like you know, in between a half hour, that you're
gonna actually physically jog out of the state House close
by just to see You didn't know that there were
(04:16):
going to be some people setting up with a couch
and can I also complain about the laziness of the
couch move, Like, I know they're trying to make a point, yeah,
but still, if you're protesting, I think you got to stand.
I think that's one of the first things in the
protesting rules. So I already feel like they don't count
as far as protesters go because they're lazying this whole
thing up.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
And they actually, I mean, I don't know if they're
actual Antifa members because I've been attacked by Antifa. Maybe
that's a different segment for later, but wow, they are
dressed like Antifa. So they told me that they're going
to have a more formal protest at noon to talk
about this. And I want to point out that in
twenty two, the governor, so the governor and Indiana is
(05:00):
the only one empowered to call a special session. So
there was like a two week special session in Indiana
I think in twenty two that cost taxpayers almost a
quarter of a million dollars. So that's another part of
this that's so contentious. Craig is like people that are
fiscally conservative are like, no, I don't want to call
a special session. Just leave the voting maps the way
(05:21):
they are, They're already dominating. Republicans are already dominating the stage.
Just leave it that way.
Speaker 1 (05:27):
No, I get it. I get the whole saving money thing,
and I get anybody that wants to you know, And
I guess, real quick, if you don't mind having a
conversation about the redistricting stuff itself, I actually live in Texas,
so we started it. You're welcome as far as that
all goes. It's our fault, not anybody else's. But I
guess the thing that I've seen from jump is that
(05:49):
Democrats have done an incredibly good job of gerrymandering the
crap out of very democratic places like Illinois or California
or New York, so much so that JB. Pritzk pops
up on television and while he's trying to attack Trump,
can't seem to justify the ridiculousness of the map in
Illinois and what it looks like. But they do it
every ten years, They do it every every chance that
(06:13):
they think is appropriate. It feels as though Republicans are
trying to fight fire with fire, and maybe haven't done
this as well in the past as they thought they could. Now. Granted,
Indiana is a tough place to choose because of how
red the state already is. But I just wonder if
that's a component that might make people say, well, if
we're trying to fight a system that's already been rigged
(06:36):
against us by playing the same game. Not that Republicans
are new to this, they've been jerrymandering too. I wonder
if that gets you over the hurdle of just not
wanting to see it happen, and especially if it works.
The other thing that I think would be terrible is
to spend a bunch of money and not have it work,
because people do still have to show up and vote places,
and there are times where voting doesn't go the way
(06:57):
you expect it to, and so a surprise win happened,
and it would be bad to spend money and lose. Yeah,
what are your thoughts on that? The fact that, yeah,
go ahead, Yah.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
You're gonna have to litigate all this stuff. You're gonna
have to get all the votes. You're gonna have to
make sure you have the votes to get this stuff done,
and then you're gonna have to find judges that are
gonna sign off on this because across the state, you're
gonna have judges running interference. Another thing about the redistricting
in Texas and California. I lived in California for twenty
two years, and I you know, I was pretty I
(07:30):
was pretty surprised about how flagrant the Democrats were with
the voting maps there. I mean, you'll never get Republicans.
You'll probably get another Republican governor ever again. And every
election cycle, every census that comes out California just finds
more ways to tighten the Democrat leash. And they had
(07:51):
the whole state jerrymandard in their favorites. So other states
do this. I think it's a dog and pony show.
Anytime people say you can't have Indiana strict, you know
two more of the congressional maps were already seven of nine.
It should happen if the Republicans are in charge, we
should redraw the maps to the favor of the power
of the party in charge.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Yeah. Yeah, mostly because as you said, and it's funny
that you lived in California and I lived in Chicago,
Illinois for as long as I did. Because yes, those
maps are all ridiculous, and the odds of the other
party ever taking power was nonexistent. And the funny thing
about Illinois is you get outside of the city of
Chicago and it's as red as Indiana. Sure, like every
other part of that state feels red. And yet you
(08:36):
know the system is unfairly designed the way it is,
So why not fight that way? I wonder if that's
what Jade Vance will say. I doubt it. He's more
eloquent than I am about this stuff. You mentioned something
a second ago, though, Ryan, and I don't know if
we're up against a break, and I feel like most
of the listeners have been asking themselves this question since
you said it you were attacked by Antifa. Yeah, where
(08:58):
we could put on another show. I got time, buddy,
if you want to talk about Like, what have you
told this story before in WIBC.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
No, I have not told it on WIBC. It's the
opportunity has never come up. So back in twenty one,
I was working as an assistant program director at a
station in Frederick, Maryland, an AM news station with a
conservative format, and I got word that Antifa was going
to be on a Saturday standing in front of a
(09:27):
city council member's house protesting a vote that she had
about social justice. So I went out there, and you know,
they were dressed in black, they had a black umbrellas,
they had blinding flashlights. It was hard to cover them.
And I was standing between the council member's house and
the Antifa members about twenty deep, and they were standing
(09:49):
in the street. I was standing on a sidewalk and
they were boxing me into her porch and I got
scared because they were pushing the umbrellas to my face.
So I just snatched one of the umbrellas from their
hands so I could see what was going on behind
that umbrella, and they bum rushed me. And I bet
that if you google Ryan Hedrick from WFMD Radio attacked
(10:13):
by Antifa, there will be an article because it was
retweeted a lot of times, and I think I'm pretty
sure it got the attention of Andy no who's a
journalist that was almost killed by Antifa. So yeah, it
was one of the craziest, scariest assignments I've ever had.
And I thought the guy that rushed me had on
(10:35):
a bulletproof vest and a helmet and he was going
to hit me with this flashlight. I thought I was
going to die that night covering a news story.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Wow, that's I'm horror. I'm first I feel horrible that
you had to go through something like that, but it
is amazing to hear you say that the reason that
they attacked you was because you were news media or
why do you think that they tried to harm you
in the first place.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
I think I did that because I snatched the umbrella
out of their hand. They got pissed off that I
would do that. The second thing is I had an
American flag cell phone cover case cover and I had
my fond pointed horizontally and they kept telling me I
was a stupid fascist for having an American flag phone
(11:20):
cover on my phone, So I was you know, they
do those tactics. They're famous. Those flashlights they hit you
with are like police swat flashlights where they blind your eyes,
and they have serious military tactics that they used, and
I can attest it's not hyperbole what other journalists are
going through. I do think it is military tactics, well organized,
(11:44):
well funded, and they are a big problem, a big,
big problem in Portland, Oregon right now that not a
lot of people are covering they're dangerous.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
No, I agree with you that it's a very very
big problem. Matt. It's surreal to hear you describe in
such great detail with someone you know who actually experienced
some firsthand, how horrific this can be, and how how
well you know organizes it seemed to be because it
seems that money funds it. I do hope Indianapolis sees
no version of that today. I hope they see no
(12:13):
version of a large turnout, you know, coming from other
but maybe they will. I don't know why. I'm suddenly
much happier that it's just two people on a couch.
And also I'm kind of impressed that you ran out
there to go see that, having the experience that you've
had in your life, and you're like, yeah, you know,
it's screw it, let's go see.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Well you could you could follow on X. I posted
it on the X account, and I think we're going
to be uploading it to the WIBC social media channels
Instagram and Facebook. But yeah, check it out. I have
to go get ready for my ten o'clock newscast. Craig,
good chatting with you.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Busy perfect
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