October 8, 2025 • 29 mins
Beau Bayh, son of former Indiana Governor and US Senator Evan Bayh has announced he is running for Secretary of State. This sets up a potential matchup between Bayh and Republican Secretary of State Diego Morales. Bayh's entry to the race gives Democrats perhaps their best opportunity in years to pick up a statewide office. Can Bayh bring the Democrats back to relevance in Indiana? Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt discuss on Statehouse Happenings.
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the Indiana Senate, the Great Jim Merritt, Hello, Robert. All right,
so the big well, there are a couple of big stories.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We start. We've been at this, Merrit, What have we
been at this for nine years?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We've been started with us and then you got replaced
because you ran for mayor. Duel took over and you
got replaced because you ran for mayor. And now it's
like we're all here together. But in the the nine years,
whether it was with you Abduel or you Jim Merritt,
every year's session ends and then we're.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Like, well what will we talk about on this program?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And every year the press one with Press two probably
above Press three.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Every year it seems like the out of session stuff
is more entertaining than the in session stuff. And the
whole premise of this program was sortady to cover things
that were going on at.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
The State House.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, uh, the big announcement came out, what this was Monday?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
This came out that bo Bai, son of former Indiana
governor and Senator Evan By, is going to run for
Secretary of State. Presumably and we'll get to this in
a minute. It'll be against Diego Morales, the current incumbent.
Let's start with you, Jim Merritt, you knew Evan By.
I did what a famous man once said, They said,
(03:04):
I pull that microphone up there just a little bit.
Was there a famous I knew John Kennedy? And you're
you're no, no, no, Evan By.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And one thing in the intro that you didn't you
didn't talk about is, uh, we were worried. I don't
know about worried, but we were. We were thinking about,
this is a non election year. Yeah, and so there
wasn't really going to be anything to talk about. Yeah,
and uh that it was completely untrue. And uh, every
riveting Statehouse happenings.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Has been riveting, award winning. Yes, I don't know what
award we want. Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So, so Evan By's son, Bo Bye, because he's going
to run for Secretary of State. That's the office that
Evan By started his political career at in the mid
nineteen eighties. You served in the General Assembly for both
terms of Evan Bye's governorship. Does the Evan By. Let's
face it, he's running in large part on the Evan
(03:59):
By name. If his name were Bo Smith, you know,
very nice young guy, seems like distinguished military service, you know,
clerk just wrapped up a clerk clerkship is that what
they call it for the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
Very distinguished, you know, young life he's had. But if
his name were Bo Smith, we wouldn't be talking about
him for Bo Baird. Well, what is with these guys, right,
(04:25):
Let's let's start with that. If he does the Evan
by name still have enough juice to make a difference
in the state.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Well, to go back in history, Evan Bye came to
Indiana and ran for Secretary of State. Gordon Denell, who
was the state chairman of the Republican Party the other
time at that time, was quite concerned about Evan Bye
because his father, Birch Bye, was a US Senator and
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had the rich name at that time, and so Gordon Darnell,
the state chairman of the Republican Party.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
A residency challenge.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yes he did. But he also went out and recruited
Otis Bowen. Doc Bowen, who was the most famous and
beloved Republican at the time, got Rob Bowen, his son,
to run for Secretary of State.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
This show is a gym. Okay, well, okay, so let's
go back and go back to that. What's old is
new again? Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So Evan Bye's son or Evan Bye is the son
of Birch By, famous Indiana senator defeated by Dan Quail
and the Reagan Revolution of the the.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Nineteen eight election.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes, and then so they brought Evan By in to
run for daving the Democrats for secretary of state. And
somebody said you don't live here.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Right, And Evan By was actually Birch Bye's campaign manager.
So Evan Bye has been in falling politics. He and
I are about the same age. He's a couple of
years old. He's Joe Hoggs. It's age he was at
IU right before I was, right down on the street
from where Joe and I lived. And and so this
is I've watched this for a long time now. And
(06:07):
and yes, Evan By his residency was questioned.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
He actually became the by rule.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And because that the rule was, I said, didn't live here,
didn't have residency, so we couldn't run for the for
the for governor or secretary of state. But the what
the court decide was is sort of where do you
lay your where do you intend to lay your head
at night?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That hat?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Where you lay your head? Where do you intend to
lay your head.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And Rob Bowen was recruited to run against him for
secretary of State, and uh and and and Rob Bowen
ends up being a distinguished judge up in northern Indiana Breemen,
where where Otis was from. Uh, but really did not
want to run for secretary of state. You could just
see in all his body language he was just doing
it for his dad and for the party and for
(06:53):
Gordon Urnell and so uh, it's it's a rich, rich history.
But Evan Bye goes on to to win the secretary
of State's office and we're seeing Washington repeat Grinson.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Okay, so Indiana was a much more balanced state politically
than it is today. I mean it was probably it
was a sort of a Pickham state back then.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Well, no, you know, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I was saying Indiana was mixed because the only time
because until Barack Obama won in two thousand and eight,
the only time Democrats had won carried the presidency and
it was nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Sure, but I'm saying, but also.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, it was republican state presidential, but y had no
Democrat US senator, democratic governor, right, but they.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Were if you look at everything from birch By, Evan
byde frank O Bannon to Joe Kernin those boys would
be Republicans today.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
They would be North side Indianapolis Republicans today.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
So the left has really taken over the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Right, So this comes to my point, which is nothing
is the same as it was forty years ago. And
Evin by first one, it's not even the same thirty
years ago when exactly when he was the governor. It's
not even the same twenty years ago when he was
a Senator from Indiana. So does let's start with that.
Does the Evan by name still have enough juice or
(08:18):
any juice for that matter, in our state to help
bow Bye pull off?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I mean I would say, I would say yes, because
here's where Evan Bye, Here's where the by name comes
in handy, I mean obviously, Yeah, the new voters, younger voters,
you can always appeal to appeal to them. What Evan
Bye brings to the Democrats is a name, institutional gravitas,
and more importantly two million dollars to start up in
the bank. It all comes back to money, money and
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trust me money and and also what Democrats actually thinking, hey,
we got a chance of winning. This is It brings
energy and enthusiasm and and it brings the ground game
because think about it, who is first buyer who bo
by reading against Diego Morales, the guy who's got a
rap sheet politically speaking, you know, as long as a
as long as the Chinese phone book.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, so let's go there. He's running for this office
because it's Diego Morales. Diego Morales is probably the one
Republican statewide who you would say he's beatable because his
behavior is so egregious. That's why he's That's why he's he's.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Not run against Dan Elliott or at least in the
saulid So you're.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Correct, right, I mean he kicked this off. And by
the way, too, this isn't Destiny Wells four years ago.
There's a much more longer list of grievances. Sure that
Diego has done since?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
No, well, not only that, Bobi is going to be
a better candidate. Oh yeah, yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And is he.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Okay, So let me ask you this because when football
started this year, a lot of people hearing this podcast.
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Speaker 4 (09:57):
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Speaker 2 (10:05):
When the season started, the first game of the year
was Texas against Ohio State, right, and arch Manning is
the quarterback for Texas, and everybody was arch Manning this
and arch Manning that. And I said in our podcast,
I said, what if Arch Manning isn't very good? And
everybody's like, wow, what a bad I said, well, he's
never really I mean, he's played some games in college
against like directional schools, and he's had some you know,
(10:27):
mop up time. And I said, what if he's not
very good, we just assume because his name is Manning
and he was good in high school, he's gonna be
good in college. And it turns out thus far this
year arch Manning not all that good. What if bo
Bay isn't very good as a candidate, Well, I think
he's gonna have quite a campaign around him. And I
think I think, uh, contrary to the previous candidate, that
(10:52):
he they're going to handle this campaign incredibly different than
what Destiny did.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I don't think there's no doubt he's gonna be a
million times better than her. But that's like saying you're
gonna be better than the Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
This is still a red Republican state. And also it's
gonna be a big hill to climb.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And keep in mind too, the person who's handling communications
for bow Bye is the same person who handled communications
for Joe Donnelly during the Richard Murdoch disaster years ago.
So once again was old I'll meet the new bosses
same as the old.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Boston's Okay, so we all agree he's running for Secretary
of State because Diego is. So if there was ever
gonna be a Republican who's beatable, it's Diego because of the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
As you I think are law.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There's a laundry list of things, pick them, and you
can just run one ad after another.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
When Diego Moreles said, uh, he'd be happy to show
Bobye around all ninety two counties, Like he did not
say ninety two counties, mister I did mister bought a
bought a super suv. Yeah, so you can sit on
the phone book and drive around Indiana and like really seriously.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, well, there's no way that Bob I would run
against a last Nashalla the comptroller or the treasure state
Treasurer Daniel Elliott. They've they've had great you know, they've
done well in their offices and uh uh and and
as well as you know, bow bye Secretary State. I
mean there's a rhythm to it. And uh I still
(12:18):
think that Indiana will be a Republican state.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay, So I want to you're jumping the gun. You're
jumping the gun I usually do. Really, it's not a template.
Should I should really just just mess us up. We
should not just sit down and start talking. Let's let's
pivot real quick on this because before we we'll come
back to bo by. Okay, But there is the reality
is there is a convention for the Republicans. It'll be
(12:44):
held in June, June of next year. And David Shelton,
who I think we out all agree, is actually a
very qualified individual to be the Secretary of state. Knox
County clerk has done a fine job there, very very
respected and in terms of elections, et cetera, like.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Its second time around.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But he's also as boring as that wall behind you guys.
And now that Evan Buy's son with all that money
and infrastructure, and everything is in the race.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Is a is a threat? Is in the race and
is a threat.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do Republicans have to pause and go yep, we we
can't ye because I think David Shelton would do just
fine against bob bike because it takes away all the stuff.
It just becomes a Republican versus Democrat. Do Republicans have
to take a long look and go time for us
to cut the crape bounce this dude at convention.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
If Republicans have an ounce of common sense, they look, okay,
we can have Dave Shelton not toown of clerk boring,
but this but this year boring is actually probably kind
of a good sure or itsus Diego Morales who's got
this laundry list of issues' is just basically a walking
campaign at every time he opens his mouth. Now you
have some convintion. I'igets who are who are Diego fans
(13:56):
or Diego homeboy fanboys. They will they won't change a thing.
But I do think though, and it also depends on
how many Republicans actually getting the race or Secretary of State,
because if it if it's three or more, I would
argue that what unless Diego gets a clear majority on
that first bow route. That is his ceiling, because it's
nobody's gonna pivot to him. Right, Well, welcome to the
(14:19):
twenty twenty six campaign. And uh, and and I've said
it so many times this this Republican convention. These delegates
are ultra conservative. And and Diego would never win a primary,
nor would a rookiet it, nor would uh And I
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told the Lieutenant Government to his face he wouldn't either.
And so these are children of the convention. Diego, if
you get out of the bubble of the fifteen counties
that listen to us and everybody else on streaming, you're
selling yourself short, all right. Everybody listens to us from
around the state, either radio or by streaming. And and
(15:02):
I truly believe that if you go to a convention,
or excuse me, to a Lincoln Day dinner, sometimes it's
somewhere in lagrange.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Uh. These three hang the moon. They they are very
popular outside of our listening.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You see. But see, But here's the thing, though. Popularity
is one thing. You may like the guy, but once again,
this is where your logic has to kick in. And
your if your logic says, who am i gonna run
against uh bow Bye. I'm gonna run Dave Sheldon, who's
boring but has a clean record, clean sweep. I'm gonna run.
I'm gonna run Diego Morales.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But I think what he's saying of duel is they So.
I did an interview with w j OB a couple
of weeks ago, which is.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There's somebody there's a radio station, very.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well known, prominent radio station in the region.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Great it was also his old eighties r and have
a job if want to people men of nothing going
on but the rent.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So w job.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's a prominent talk station in the in the region.
And that was on their morning show, and they're they're
big fans of what we do down here.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They follow what we do. And they said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They said, the problem, the problem with all the stuff
you're laying And they asked about you know, Micah and
Diego and all of this stuff, and they said, nobody
knows about any of this up here because they don't
hear you. And we know we talk about it a
little bit, but other than that, yeah, it's it's out
of the side of nobody knew who Jamie Nole was
either well that's I think that's the problem is if
you're Shelton, you got to grow a pair and you
(16:28):
got to start because he put out this big press
release when Bobi entered the racing.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You need to be doing that to Diego.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
If you don't do that to Diego, there's going to
be no Shelton v Buy. You're focusing on the wrong
person right now.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
There's no question that that's the truth. And and we
we we think we see everything just down the market
street either way from us. And and uh, that's why
Jennifer Ruth Green can run for Congress because this is
the bubble. Nobody really hears anything that goes on in Indianapolis.
(17:01):
And Hamlin hamon him uh Hamelin Indiana. And so I
think that if if David Shelton has a chance at
the at the UH at the convention, he's got to
go delegate by delegate and and and it goes back.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You got brings some smoke on Diego.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Right, But also with Rob Bowen, who was an outstanding
young man, but Vanilla had no chance against Evan Bye.
And it's and David Shelt, I think Bobi has a
really good chance to run UH for you know, election
because of if if if David David Shelton gets the
(17:39):
nomination in the convention, bo By uh has an outstanding
chance of becoming Do.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You think he can beat at a generic He could
be a generic Republican.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Well, it comes back to money and he will have
plenty of it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And also keep in mind too, uh for those Dave
Shelton supporters, Let's say they lose at the convention, do
they go vote for Diego or do It's like, nope,
skip this, I'm not voting for this guy. Either stay
home or go vote for this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is what was fascinating to me about the bow By
announcement was that these people who have ignored one egregious behavior,
one bad headline after another from Diego Morales about his
behavior either as an elected official or trying to become
an elected official and not a peep, and they just
(18:27):
start in with the he doesn't live here, he residency
voter history.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Like we're talking about Didaga Morales.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's okay, So where the guy you know lives or
voted or whatever is the is your biggest thing. And
this this guy over here has been doing all of
this stuff as an elected official and not a peep.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But it really does show who some of these people are.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, it shows that they're willing to put aside their differences,
put aside through issues with Diego Morales because they can
not to let a Democrat have this seat. In a nutshell,
that's what because if you think about it too, I
want to say, Jim in the in the election boards.
Election boards are determined by the by the number of
votes that the Secretary of State candidate got.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yes, election boards meaning who's in charge exact inspector.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, who's in charge. So if bow By wins that
Chelsel changes a whole lot of a county election boards
situation because the top vote get to the top voteting
Secretary of States raised in the county, in the county.
That's how the election board is determined. Who go, who
runs what.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well on the bigger picture though, it makes twenty twenty
eight because his father didn't didn't keep the seat warm
very very long in the Secretary of Seats office, immediately
ran for governor. And so you know, somebody's got to
ask bow Bye. You know if you if you win
in twenty six, are you running for governor in twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Watch?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I know somebody who will ask that question because I'm
actually interviewed him later this That's my point.
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let's come to this bo bye. Let's just say, for
the sake of this program, it's buy versus Morales. And
what's going to be the buy machine. Diego may not
want to tell anybody who paid for India. The buy
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machine will figure out and tell everyone who paid for India.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
There's gonna be a there's a research probably already completed
on that.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean you're you're talking.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, I'm so excited about this because I just
I want to get rid of Diego because I think
his behavior is so egregious. But I gotta admit I
kind of want a democrat in that office because they
will open up the doors of that office and they
will show all of the stuff that's been going on
(22:20):
since Diego Morales has been Secretary of State. And I
think they'll have the ability on some level to show
which Republicans knew what, who was complicit in it, who
did nothing. I think the revelation of the cabal, as
I call it, would be on full display. And I
kinda I kind of want a democrat in there.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, let let's talk about it. There's two separate things
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That make me a horrible person.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That doesn't make it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We have to we have to separate what you're talking about.
The office runs like a top. What you're talking about
is Diego world. Ye, Diego political world is you're opening
up because secretary of State's office and everything I have
as a businessman, everything that I've worked with that office
and and and I've been stepped away five years ago.
(23:12):
But from every everything we've seen, Uh, the Secretary of
State's office as a whole has run very very well.
What you're talking about is Diego world and with that
political But there's people in that office.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm not talking about the rank and file people, right,
I'm talking about the tippy top people.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Okay, I think you need the clarity there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, but they're in the office. Yes, I don't think
you can separate that. Some of these people are working
in the office. And I think a lot of Republicans
who are in that State House know exactly what's what
that looks. That office is being used as a twenty
four to seven campaign machine. That's all he does is
campaign on taxpayer time and taxpayer money. That's all he does.
(23:55):
Everybody knows what he is. Everybody knows how he's used
the office, the no bid contracts, you know, the contracts
with his friends. Everybody knows what's going on there, and
nobody does anything about it. And so I want to
know who knew what and didn't do anything. And I
think if you have a Democrat in there, you get
access to a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And here's the other other interesting part of all this too,
which is, first of all, I like divided government because
nobody has monopoly on good ideas or stupidity. Yeah, that's
kind of point point number one, point number two if
you look at like I said, I did a rundown
breakdown of you know, sort of pre bow Bye, sort
of post bow buyeh in the race, and bow Bay
(24:33):
has the best shot of winning and beating Diego Morauth
And also, don't forget the libertarian Liberties will pull off
three to five percent of the vote anyway, do you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Think, Okay, let's real quick touch on that, because Jeff
Moore was about the best kiddid the Libertarians were gonna
possibly run. Uh, he's coming off the success of rain Water.
You're right, Diego has a longer list of grievances now
than he did the last time, but he had a
lot of people kind of knew what he was. Jeff
Moore got five and half percent. How do you think
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Lori Shillings, if she's the nominee, can get three percent?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Like if you're I think I think she has three
to five percent for the Like I said, once again, no,
twenty twenty six is not twenty twenty two. You have
you've had all these area of grievances. You know, Diego's
basically a Festivus episode from Seinfeld. All these areas of
political grievances, you know, between the last time he ran
in this time, which kind of makes it. And also,
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please keep in mind you've got a lot of Republicans
pically on the donut, kind of like what the hell
are we doing here with this guy?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, but but the Libertarians better wake up because isn't
the bar two percent? Because the Secretary of State's race
is the bar for ballot access and if they screw around,
and let's face it, Rainwater was a dumpster fire this pastime,
and the Libertarians have done nothing to capitalize on that
success he had in twenty twenty. They threw it all away.
They haven't organized, they haven't fundrais, they haven't done anything.
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They could screw up and not get the two percent
and lose the ballot access. I'm not saying it's going
to happen. I'm saying I think it's fair to point
that out. But I think the odds that happened are
a lot less. I think they're probably like five to
seven percent. Like I said, with Diego Morales on the ticket,
with all the stuff that's happened since the last election.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, you know, I think when you when you're talking
about Diego Morales and and all everything, all the baggage
that he brings to the to the table, you kind
of wonder if the voter just kind of you know,
it's a pox on the all their houses. Are they
going to vote in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You know in twenty twenty eight, everybody will vote. But
in off election, you know, people's interests in their trusts,
in their in their leaders has has declined so much.
You just kind of wonder if if people take a
break and I'll see in twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And by the way, Jimmy, you realize what happened twenty
years ago in the sixth election when Mitch Daniels had
his first couple years in office, who would up taken
over in twenty six and twenty eight. Yes, yeah, we've
the Democrats took back the Indiana House back in a
thousand and they.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Got they gotta and we're running our time here because
I want to ask you guys something here before we
get But Democrats got to start nominating normal people to
run for office and have normal positions everywhere, like you can't.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You gotta run people meet the district.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, you can't have these crazy people and sink the
top of the ticket with lunatics. And that's gonna be
challenged with them. All right, we got about thirty seconds left.
I'm gonna ask you both two questions to wrap up
our show. One, will it be bo Bie against Diego
Morales or David Shelton? And based on that answer, who
do you think will be the Secretary of State in
twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I think by versus Morales and bye went.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Okay, I think by versus Morales and Moralesman's.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Well, very good.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But today we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna time stamp
this and I'm sure we'll have a lot of conversation
about it over the next several uh, well obviously next
year basically.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
In the meantime, fabulous job by both of you, and
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Speaker 4 (01:44):
We'll take more than you guys to get rid of me.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Gosh start.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
We've been trying to get rid of you for years
wife unsuccessfully, and you know him for thirty years. And
the Indiana Senate, the Great Jim Merritt, Hello, Robert. All right,
so the big well, there are a couple of big stories.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
We start. We've been at this, Merrit, What have we
been at this for nine years?
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
We've been started with us and then you got replaced
because you ran for mayor. Duel took over and you
got replaced because you ran for mayor. And now it's
like we're all here together. But in the the nine years,
whether it was with you Abduel or you Jim Merritt,
every year's session ends and then we're.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Like, well what will we talk about on this program?
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And every year the press one with Press two probably
above Press three.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
Every year it seems like the out of session stuff
is more entertaining than the in session stuff. And the
whole premise of this program was sortady to cover things
that were going on at.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
The State House.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
So, uh, the big announcement came out, what this was Monday?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Right?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
This came out that bo Bai, son of former Indiana
governor and Senator Evan By, is going to run for
Secretary of State. Presumably and we'll get to this in
a minute. It'll be against Diego Morales, the current incumbent.
Let's start with you, Jim Merritt, you knew Evan By.
I did what a famous man once said, They said,
(03:04):
I pull that microphone up there just a little bit.
Was there a famous I knew John Kennedy? And you're
you're no, no, no, Evan By.
Speaker 5 (03:12):
And one thing in the intro that you didn't you
didn't talk about is, uh, we were worried. I don't
know about worried, but we were. We were thinking about,
this is a non election year. Yeah, and so there
wasn't really going to be anything to talk about. Yeah,
and uh that it was completely untrue. And uh, every
riveting Statehouse happenings.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
Has been riveting, award winning. Yes, I don't know what
award we want. Okay.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
So, so Evan By's son, Bo Bye, because he's going
to run for Secretary of State. That's the office that
Evan By started his political career at in the mid
nineteen eighties. You served in the General Assembly for both
terms of Evan Bye's governorship. Does the Evan By. Let's
face it, he's running in large part on the Evan
(03:59):
By name. If his name were Bo Smith, you know,
very nice young guy, seems like distinguished military service, you know,
clerk just wrapped up a clerk clerkship is that what
they call it for the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
Very distinguished, you know, young life he's had. But if
his name were Bo Smith, we wouldn't be talking about
him for Bo Baird. Well, what is with these guys, right,
(04:25):
Let's let's start with that. If he does the Evan
by name still have enough juice to make a difference
in the state.
Speaker 5 (04:32):
Well, to go back in history, Evan Bye came to
Indiana and ran for Secretary of State. Gordon Denell, who
was the state chairman of the Republican Party the other
time at that time, was quite concerned about Evan Bye
because his father, Birch Bye, was a US Senator and
(04:53):
had the rich name at that time, and so Gordon Darnell,
the state chairman of the Republican Party.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
A residency challenge.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
Yes he did. But he also went out and recruited
Otis Bowen. Doc Bowen, who was the most famous and
beloved Republican at the time, got Rob Bowen, his son,
to run for Secretary of State.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
This show is a gym. Okay, well, okay, so let's
go back and go back to that. What's old is
new again? Right exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
So Evan Bye's son or Evan Bye is the son
of Birch By, famous Indiana senator defeated by Dan Quail
and the Reagan Revolution of the the.
Speaker 5 (05:33):
Nineteen eight election.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yes, and then so they brought Evan By in to
run for daving the Democrats for secretary of state. And
somebody said you don't live here.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Right, And Evan By was actually Birch Bye's campaign manager.
So Evan Bye has been in falling politics. He and
I are about the same age. He's a couple of
years old. He's Joe Hoggs. It's age he was at
IU right before I was, right down on the street
from where Joe and I lived. And and so this
is I've watched this for a long time now. And
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and yes, Evan By his residency was questioned.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
He actually became the by rule.
Speaker 5 (06:14):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
And because that the rule was, I said, didn't live here,
didn't have residency, so we couldn't run for the for
the for governor or secretary of state. But the what
the court decide was is sort of where do you
lay your where do you intend to lay your head
at night?
Speaker 3 (06:26):
That hat?
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Where you lay your head? Where do you intend to
lay your head.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
And Rob Bowen was recruited to run against him for
secretary of State, and uh and and and Rob Bowen
ends up being a distinguished judge up in northern Indiana Breemen,
where where Otis was from. Uh, but really did not
want to run for secretary of state. You could just
see in all his body language he was just doing
it for his dad and for the party and for
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Gordon Urnell and so uh, it's it's a rich, rich history.
But Evan Bye goes on to to win the secretary
of State's office and we're seeing Washington repeat Grinson.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Okay, so Indiana was a much more balanced state politically
than it is today. I mean it was probably it
was a sort of a Pickham state back then.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Right.
Speaker 5 (07:19):
Well, no, you know, I don't know about that.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
I was saying Indiana was mixed because the only time
because until Barack Obama won in two thousand and eight,
the only time Democrats had won carried the presidency and
it was nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Sure, but I'm saying, but also.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Yeah, it was republican state presidential, but y had no
Democrat US senator, democratic governor, right, but they.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
Were if you look at everything from birch By, Evan
byde frank O Bannon to Joe Kernin those boys would
be Republicans today.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
They would be North side Indianapolis Republicans today.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
So the left has really taken over the Democrat Party.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Right, So this comes to my point, which is nothing
is the same as it was forty years ago. And
Evin by first one, it's not even the same thirty
years ago when exactly when he was the governor. It's
not even the same twenty years ago when he was
a Senator from Indiana. So does let's start with that.
Does the Evan by name still have enough juice or
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any juice for that matter, in our state to help
bow Bye pull off?
Speaker 4 (08:24):
I mean I would say, I would say yes, because
here's where Evan Bye, Here's where the by name comes
in handy, I mean obviously, Yeah, the new voters, younger voters,
you can always appeal to appeal to them. What Evan
Bye brings to the Democrats is a name, institutional gravitas,
and more importantly two million dollars to start up in
the bank. It all comes back to money, money and
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trust me money and and also what Democrats actually thinking, hey,
we got a chance of winning. This is It brings
energy and enthusiasm and and it brings the ground game
because think about it, who is first buyer who bo
by reading against Diego Morales, the guy who's got a
rap sheet politically speaking, you know, as long as a
as long as the Chinese phone book.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Okay, so let's go there. He's running for this office
because it's Diego Morales. Diego Morales is probably the one
Republican statewide who you would say he's beatable because his
behavior is so egregious. That's why he's That's why he's he's.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Not run against Dan Elliott or at least in the
saulid So you're.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Correct, right, I mean he kicked this off. And by
the way, too, this isn't Destiny Wells four years ago.
There's a much more longer list of grievances. Sure that
Diego has done since?
Speaker 5 (09:40):
No, well, not only that, Bobi is going to be
a better candidate. Oh yeah, yeah, there's no question about it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
And is he.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Okay, So let me ask you this because when football
started this year, a lot of people hearing this podcast.
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from the Hammer Nigel Show called the Degenerates next.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
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Speaker 2 (10:05):
When the season started, the first game of the year
was Texas against Ohio State, right, and arch Manning is
the quarterback for Texas, and everybody was arch Manning this
and arch Manning that. And I said in our podcast,
I said, what if Arch Manning isn't very good? And
everybody's like, wow, what a bad I said, well, he's
never really I mean, he's played some games in college
against like directional schools, and he's had some you know,
(10:27):
mop up time. And I said, what if he's not
very good, we just assume because his name is Manning
and he was good in high school, he's gonna be
good in college. And it turns out thus far this
year arch Manning not all that good. What if bo
Bay isn't very good as a candidate, Well, I think
he's gonna have quite a campaign around him. And I
think I think, uh, contrary to the previous candidate, that
(10:52):
he they're going to handle this campaign incredibly different than
what Destiny did.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
I don't think there's no doubt he's gonna be a
million times better than her. But that's like saying you're
gonna be better than the Colorado Rockies.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
This is still a red Republican state. And also it's
gonna be a big hill to climb.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
And keep in mind too, the person who's handling communications
for bow Bye is the same person who handled communications
for Joe Donnelly during the Richard Murdoch disaster years ago.
So once again was old I'll meet the new bosses
same as the old.
Speaker 2 (11:22):
Boston's Okay, so we all agree he's running for Secretary
of State because Diego is. So if there was ever
gonna be a Republican who's beatable, it's Diego because of the.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
As you I think are law.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
There's a laundry list of things, pick them, and you
can just run one ad after another.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
When Diego Moreles said, uh, he'd be happy to show
Bobye around all ninety two counties, Like he did not
say ninety two counties, mister I did mister bought a
bought a super suv. Yeah, so you can sit on
the phone book and drive around Indiana and like really seriously.
Speaker 5 (11:58):
Yeah, well, there's no way that Bob I would run
against a last Nashalla the comptroller or the treasure state
Treasurer Daniel Elliott. They've they've had great you know, they've
done well in their offices and uh uh and and
as well as you know, bow bye Secretary State. I
mean there's a rhythm to it. And uh I still
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think that Indiana will be a Republican state.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
Okay, So I want to you're jumping the gun. You're
jumping the gun I usually do. Really, it's not a template.
Should I should really just just mess us up. We
should not just sit down and start talking. Let's let's
pivot real quick on this because before we we'll come
back to bo by. Okay, But there is the reality
is there is a convention for the Republicans. It'll be
(12:44):
held in June, June of next year. And David Shelton,
who I think we out all agree, is actually a
very qualified individual to be the Secretary of state. Knox
County clerk has done a fine job there, very very
respected and in terms of elections, et cetera, like.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Its second time around.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
But he's also as boring as that wall behind you guys.
And now that Evan Buy's son with all that money
and infrastructure, and everything is in the race.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Is a is a threat? Is in the race and
is a threat.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Do Republicans have to pause and go yep, we we
can't ye because I think David Shelton would do just
fine against bob bike because it takes away all the stuff.
It just becomes a Republican versus Democrat. Do Republicans have
to take a long look and go time for us
to cut the crape bounce this dude at convention.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
If Republicans have an ounce of common sense, they look, okay,
we can have Dave Shelton not toown of clerk boring,
but this but this year boring is actually probably kind
of a good sure or itsus Diego Morales who's got
this laundry list of issues' is just basically a walking
campaign at every time he opens his mouth. Now you
have some convintion. I'igets who are who are Diego fans
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or Diego homeboy fanboys. They will they won't change a thing.
But I do think though, and it also depends on
how many Republicans actually getting the race or Secretary of State,
because if it if it's three or more, I would
argue that what unless Diego gets a clear majority on
that first bow route. That is his ceiling, because it's
nobody's gonna pivot to him. Right, Well, welcome to the
(14:19):
twenty twenty six campaign. And uh, and and I've said
it so many times this this Republican convention. These delegates
are ultra conservative. And and Diego would never win a primary,
nor would a rookiet it, nor would uh And I
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told the Lieutenant Government to his face he wouldn't either.
And so these are children of the convention. Diego, if
you get out of the bubble of the fifteen counties
that listen to us and everybody else on streaming, you're
selling yourself short, all right. Everybody listens to us from
around the state, either radio or by streaming. And and
(15:02):
I truly believe that if you go to a convention,
or excuse me, to a Lincoln Day dinner, sometimes it's
somewhere in lagrange.
Speaker 5 (15:10):
Uh. These three hang the moon. They they are very
popular outside of our listening.
Speaker 4 (15:17):
You see. But see, But here's the thing, though. Popularity
is one thing. You may like the guy, but once again,
this is where your logic has to kick in. And
your if your logic says, who am i gonna run
against uh bow Bye. I'm gonna run Dave Sheldon, who's
boring but has a clean record, clean sweep. I'm gonna run.
I'm gonna run Diego Morales.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
But I think what he's saying of duel is they So.
I did an interview with w j OB a couple
of weeks ago, which is.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
There's somebody there's a radio station, very.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Well known, prominent radio station in the region.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Great it was also his old eighties r and have
a job if want to people men of nothing going
on but the rent.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
So w job.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It's a prominent talk station in the in the region.
And that was on their morning show, and they're they're
big fans of what we do down here.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
They follow what we do. And they said the same thing.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
They said, the problem, the problem with all the stuff
you're laying And they asked about you know, Micah and
Diego and all of this stuff, and they said, nobody
knows about any of this up here because they don't
hear you. And we know we talk about it a
little bit, but other than that, yeah, it's it's out
of the side of nobody knew who Jamie Nole was
either well that's I think that's the problem is if
you're Shelton, you got to grow a pair and you
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got to start because he put out this big press
release when Bobi entered the racing.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
You need to be doing that to Diego.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
If you don't do that to Diego, there's going to
be no Shelton v Buy. You're focusing on the wrong
person right now.
Speaker 5 (16:40):
There's no question that that's the truth. And and we
we we think we see everything just down the market
street either way from us. And and uh, that's why
Jennifer Ruth Green can run for Congress because this is
the bubble. Nobody really hears anything that goes on in Indianapolis.
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And Hamlin hamon him uh Hamelin Indiana. And so I
think that if if David Shelton has a chance at
the at the UH at the convention, he's got to
go delegate by delegate and and and it goes back.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
You got brings some smoke on Diego.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
Right, But also with Rob Bowen, who was an outstanding
young man, but Vanilla had no chance against Evan Bye.
And it's and David Shelt, I think Bobi has a
really good chance to run UH for you know, election
because of if if if David David Shelton gets the
(17:39):
nomination in the convention, bo By uh has an outstanding
chance of becoming Do.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
You think he can beat at a generic He could
be a generic Republican.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Well, it comes back to money and he will have
plenty of it.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
And also keep in mind too, uh for those Dave
Shelton supporters, Let's say they lose at the convention, do
they go vote for Diego or do It's like, nope,
skip this, I'm not voting for this guy. Either stay
home or go vote for this.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Is what was fascinating to me about the bow By
announcement was that these people who have ignored one egregious behavior,
one bad headline after another from Diego Morales about his
behavior either as an elected official or trying to become
an elected official and not a peep, and they just
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start in with the he doesn't live here, he residency
voter history.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Like we're talking about Didaga Morales.
Speaker 2 (18:35):
It's okay, So where the guy you know lives or
voted or whatever is the is your biggest thing. And
this this guy over here has been doing all of
this stuff as an elected official and not a peep.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
But it really does show who some of these people are.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Well, it shows that they're willing to put aside their differences,
put aside through issues with Diego Morales because they can
not to let a Democrat have this seat. In a nutshell,
that's what because if you think about it too, I
want to say, Jim in the in the election boards.
Election boards are determined by the by the number of
votes that the Secretary of State candidate got.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
Yes, election boards meaning who's in charge exact inspector.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Yeah, who's in charge. So if bow By wins that
Chelsel changes a whole lot of a county election boards
situation because the top vote get to the top voteting
Secretary of States raised in the county, in the county.
That's how the election board is determined. Who go, who
runs what.
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well on the bigger picture though, it makes twenty twenty
eight because his father didn't didn't keep the seat warm
very very long in the Secretary of Seats office, immediately
ran for governor. And so you know, somebody's got to
ask bow Bye. You know if you if you win
in twenty six, are you running for governor in twenty eight?
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Watch?
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I know somebody who will ask that question because I'm
actually interviewed him later this That's my point.
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let's come to this bo bye. Let's just say, for
the sake of this program, it's buy versus Morales. And
what's going to be the buy machine. Diego may not
want to tell anybody who paid for India. The buy
(21:50):
machine will figure out and tell everyone who paid for India.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
There's gonna be a there's a research probably already completed
on that.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
I mean you're you're talking.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
I mean, I'm so excited about this because I just
I want to get rid of Diego because I think
his behavior is so egregious. But I gotta admit I
kind of want a democrat in that office because they
will open up the doors of that office and they
will show all of the stuff that's been going on
(22:20):
since Diego Morales has been Secretary of State. And I
think they'll have the ability on some level to show
which Republicans knew what, who was complicit in it, who
did nothing. I think the revelation of the cabal, as
I call it, would be on full display. And I
kinda I kind of want a democrat in there.
Speaker 5 (22:40):
Well, let let's talk about it. There's two separate things
you're talking about.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
That make me a horrible person.
Speaker 5 (22:45):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
That doesn't make it.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
We have to we have to separate what you're talking about.
The office runs like a top. What you're talking about
is Diego world. Ye, Diego political world is you're opening
up because secretary of State's office and everything I have
as a businessman, everything that I've worked with that office
and and and I've been stepped away five years ago.
(23:12):
But from every everything we've seen, Uh, the Secretary of
State's office as a whole has run very very well.
What you're talking about is Diego world and with that
political But there's people in that office.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
I'm not talking about the rank and file people, right,
I'm talking about the tippy top people.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Okay, I think you need the clarity there.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, but they're in the office. Yes, I don't think
you can separate that. Some of these people are working
in the office. And I think a lot of Republicans
who are in that State House know exactly what's what
that looks. That office is being used as a twenty
four to seven campaign machine. That's all he does is
campaign on taxpayer time and taxpayer money. That's all he does.
(23:55):
Everybody knows what he is. Everybody knows how he's used
the office, the no bid contracts, you know, the contracts
with his friends. Everybody knows what's going on there, and
nobody does anything about it. And so I want to
know who knew what and didn't do anything. And I
think if you have a Democrat in there, you get
access to a lot of stuff.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
And here's the other other interesting part of all this too,
which is, first of all, I like divided government because
nobody has monopoly on good ideas or stupidity. Yeah, that's
kind of point point number one, point number two if
you look at like I said, I did a rundown
breakdown of you know, sort of pre bow Bye, sort
of post bow buyeh in the race, and bow Bay
(24:33):
has the best shot of winning and beating Diego Morauth
And also, don't forget the libertarian Liberties will pull off
three to five percent of the vote anyway, do you.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Think, Okay, let's real quick touch on that, because Jeff
Moore was about the best kiddid the Libertarians were gonna
possibly run. Uh, he's coming off the success of rain Water.
You're right, Diego has a longer list of grievances now
than he did the last time, but he had a
lot of people kind of knew what he was. Jeff
Moore got five and half percent. How do you think
(25:03):
Lori Shillings, if she's the nominee, can get three percent?
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Like if you're I think I think she has three
to five percent for the Like I said, once again, no,
twenty twenty six is not twenty twenty two. You have
you've had all these area of grievances. You know, Diego's
basically a Festivus episode from Seinfeld. All these areas of
political grievances, you know, between the last time he ran
in this time, which kind of makes it. And also,
(25:27):
please keep in mind you've got a lot of Republicans
pically on the donut, kind of like what the hell
are we doing here with this guy?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Well, but but the Libertarians better wake up because isn't
the bar two percent? Because the Secretary of State's race
is the bar for ballot access and if they screw around,
and let's face it, Rainwater was a dumpster fire this pastime,
and the Libertarians have done nothing to capitalize on that
success he had in twenty twenty. They threw it all away.
They haven't organized, they haven't fundrais, they haven't done anything.
(25:55):
They could screw up and not get the two percent
and lose the ballot access. I'm not saying it's going
to happen. I'm saying I think it's fair to point
that out. But I think the odds that happened are
a lot less. I think they're probably like five to
seven percent. Like I said, with Diego Morales on the ticket,
with all the stuff that's happened since the last election.
Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yeah, you know, I think when you when you're talking
about Diego Morales and and all everything, all the baggage
that he brings to the to the table, you kind
of wonder if the voter just kind of you know,
it's a pox on the all their houses. Are they
going to vote in twenty twenty six?
Speaker 3 (26:29):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
You know in twenty twenty eight, everybody will vote. But
in off election, you know, people's interests in their trusts,
in their in their leaders has has declined so much.
You just kind of wonder if if people take a
break and I'll see in twenty eight.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
And by the way, Jimmy, you realize what happened twenty
years ago in the sixth election when Mitch Daniels had
his first couple years in office, who would up taken
over in twenty six and twenty eight. Yes, yeah, we've
the Democrats took back the Indiana House back in a
thousand and they.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Got they gotta and we're running our time here because
I want to ask you guys something here before we
get But Democrats got to start nominating normal people to
run for office and have normal positions everywhere, like you can't.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
You can't.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
You gotta run people meet the district.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
Yeah, you can't have these crazy people and sink the
top of the ticket with lunatics. And that's gonna be
challenged with them. All right, we got about thirty seconds left.
I'm gonna ask you both two questions to wrap up
our show. One, will it be bo Bie against Diego
Morales or David Shelton? And based on that answer, who
do you think will be the Secretary of State in
twenty twenty seven?
Speaker 4 (27:31):
I think by versus Morales and bye went.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Okay, I think by versus Morales and Moralesman's.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Well, very good.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But today we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna time stamp
this and I'm sure we'll have a lot of conversation
about it over the next several uh, well obviously next
year basically.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
And uh.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
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