December 10, 2025 • 29 mins
With a final vote scheduled for Thursday in the Senate, the push for mid-cycle redistricting has hit the home stretch in Indiana. With both sides amping up the pressure, will Governor Mike Braun be able to muscle it across the finish line? Or will the governor suffer an embarrassing defeat in front of the entire nation? Rob Kendall, Abdul-Hakim Shabazz, and Jim Merritt discuss on Statehouse Happenings.
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Speaker 3 (01:29):
Rob Kendall, Jim Merritt, Abdula keep Shabaz.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
The program State House Happenings your weekly look at what's
going on with Indiana politics and government. Before we begin
in the program, let's meet the award winning panel you
know him for thirty years in the Indiana Said It,
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Abdul keep Shabaz, Hello, good morning, my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, so we are we should always preface this because
people who hear us on the radio station will hear
us on Sunday. We will know the end result of
redistricting by the time that airs. However, for friends and well, yes,
it's now thing's over until we decided it is. But
for our friends and podcast land many of you who
listen instantaneously when this comes out on Wednesday, we do
not have a resolution yet too redistricting. We are scheduled
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to find that out on Thursday, so we will give
you the information as we have it in real time. Okay,
So the big news was Monday, the Elections Committee, by
a vote of six to three, voted to move it forward. However,
the three deciding yes votes Abdul will start with you,
appeared to basically say this is not a guarantee of
(02:33):
a yes vote for me on the Senate floor. I'm
simply giving my colleagues an opportunity to vote on this.
And I said this at the start of the day,
especially when I heard Rod Bracey. We'll find out Thursday
this thing is going to pass the Elections Committee, so
everybody can have a.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Say yes that it is not uncommon and our good
friend mister Merrill, I'll say this as well, for a
lawmaker to approve something out of committee so it can
have a full vote and full full vetting and the
hold on yards and Membus hold one yards and still
vote no at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That this is not uncommon at all.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So for people say like we're just going to pass like, well,
well he's up on this, he's up on the breakstort sparky. No,
not not not so much. It's just a committee vote
to move it forward. It's not a vote to say yes.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
You know, it's interesting if we do that. Well, I
saw everything in thirty years other than this, and and
and but but but our listeners have to realize though
that let's just back this up a little bit. Sir Bray,
who is the President pro temporee, who has quite the backbone. Uh,
(03:31):
he could have assigned this bill to any committee that
he wanted and Uh it could be elections, it could
be something to do with government affairs, it could be
something about like for instance, he chairs the Rules Committee.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, that's where things go to die.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well sometimes and in recent protempts when when Bob Garton
was the President of the Senate, Uh, that is that
was the dungeon. Uh, David Long did hear bills in
the Rules Committee as the pro tem and and Rod
Bray could have assigned this to the Rules Committee and
then put his thumb on it because he obviously would
(04:12):
know all the votes where the votes were, and killed
the bill in committee. But Sir Bray, in a lot
of opinions, did the right thing allowing this this bill
to be heard in the Elections Committee where you know,
not everybody knew where the votes were, where they where
they were not and and and so there's there's some
(04:35):
courtesy going on here that that they are extending to
this issue, to this bill House Built ten thirty two.
And uh now it's passed the Senate Elections Committee, passed
the House of Representatives, passed the Senate Elections Committee. Now
the full Senate will hear the bill on thirsdy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Something I think about too is if I'm doing my
vote count right based on previous statements, comments and conversations
I've had had had had people voted their conscience, it
was probably the bill would probably died five to four.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, it sounded like at least two of them.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And Greg Good, senator from Terahge gave an interview I
believe it was WTHI Ben Verbannick yesterday where it kind
of sounded like that he was one of those who
was saying this needs more work, and I would agree
with you. It would had not have passed unless there
was probably some clear direction. We need to have a
vote on this now. If you do the math, that
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puts you at roughly twenty three no's, twenty one yeses.
You got to get to twenty five for six, well,
you gotta get twenty five for Micah beck With to
break the tie. As the lieutenant governor, one way or another,
he would obviously vote yes. So the question is, and Jim,
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you know these people better than either of I do
either a biller, I do both in terms of how
it operates and who and these people themselves. In some cases,
if you haven't come out and said yes already, I mean,
once you get the yes.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The turning points, the fair maps, all those.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
People like leave you alone, why wouldn't you just say
yes if you're a yes.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Well, first of all, they I don't know if they
want everybody made suspense, uh, but uh, I think they
want a full vetting.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I think that uh.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Uh. The the State House right now, it has fear
uh uh and and and money and uh the.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Center of anxiety.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes, and those three uh situations, those three feelings, those
those you know, those those are factors that are absolutely
running the State House right now, and and and they
are it's it's raw and and in a lot of quarters,
it's bitter and uh and and what you're seeing is
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that people are are are keeping to themselves on what
what their vote will be. There are several members of
the Senate that I'm assuming they're going to vote one
way or another from their statements and from their personalities.
But they and folks need to know that, uh, you know,
five years ago and prior to that, we wouldn't go
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to the floor unless we had twenty seven Republican votes.
That not twenty six, but twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So I got squirrely yes.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And in that show, what Cenaer Bracey said on before was
unless you have a majority of the majority to pass something,
it's not going to go to the floor because it's
a waste of giant time. I think things have gotten
so weird and so bizarre in this situation here that
Bray for the first time has gotten rid of that rule, like, hey,
we just let members vote their concient's not going to
press anybody like I'm gonna vote. But if Senator you know,
(07:57):
Senator Kenda wants to vote yes, Senor Mayor wants to
vote no, We'll let everybody vote their conscious And I
I'm gonna telling you, I'm sure the the caucus. Bray
has told these guys over and over again, listen to
your constituents. Yeah, so at the end of the day,
those are the people you have to answer to. Well,
so that was gonna be My question is who are
these undecided are I guess unannounced listening to? I mean,
(08:19):
do they go to Bray and say, hey, man, are
you gonna help me if I do this? Because you
know you got a turning point. USA is not gonna
spend a gajillion dollars primary senators. Now, those fair maps guys,
they've got a lot of local ties. Maybe they will
I don't know, but they got to have some sort
of conversation with break because they know what he wants.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And they got to you, like, I mean, does that
happened before? Where they go to It was David Long
for a lot of your time, Garden for your your time.
But do they go to the big boss and go, hey,
look man, I'm on your team. But you gotta help
me here, right, right.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
But it was when I began in the Senate, we
were twenty six twenty four, yeah, and at times twenty
eight twenty two, sometimes thirty twenty, and you didn't have
a whole lot of votes to uh, to allow somebody
to flake off and flake off is the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But to not have another word. You can use the
stars letter half.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But yeah, yeah, not to not to be on the team,
if you will. And so this is these are uncommon times.
And and you know it's just a real uh biology project.
I mean, it's just a real different time there that
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that uh and and and you know, we don't know, uh,
maybe the federal maybe the national political scene is is
reaching in and you know, federal funding of hospitals or.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know, or or your tall road or as medicaid waiver.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
We don't know what.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You gotta reject that though, right, you gotta go, okay,
mister president, you tell deep red Indiana, because we didn't do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This one thing for you. You tell us.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Then you say that you gotta you gotta look a
bully in the in the face, right, and go go ahead,
go ahead and throw the first punt.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I said, calls bluff. Yeah, that's that's my point.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Right, Hey, come to my district and see where Indiana
and tell them you guys aren't getting the hospital because
represented blah blah wouldn't draw an imaginary line on a map.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well that and this is where whether it's I've always
said it was Turning Point, I mean, those guys are
really obnoxious, by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean those guys are the worst because a lot
of them don't even live in our state. But any
of these people, my response to them has been you're
gonna primary this senator and say what when you knock
on the door, this person didn't do what you wanted?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Like what what? What is what is the pitch at
the door? Here, here's the pitch.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
This person didn't do what you didn't want them to do. Yeah,
think about that, somebody, somebody you were doing Brownsberg. Who's
your state?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Senator? Oh, I have Clark Clark?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Hey, uh, mister, and missus Kendall, I'm from Turning Point, USA.
You know, slam the door like, hi, miss we want
you to vote against Senator Clark. Why because he did
what you wanted to do? Was he didn't vote for
these maps that Donald Trump's needs. Okay, excuse me.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
You know it comes down to hand to hand politics
and and when util or when environmentalists were threatening threatening,
you know, politically threatening me and uh and talking to constituents,
and they would in turn send me email.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I would go visit those people.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And there were twenty three people that I'd stop by
and see on my way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Home from I love that you just randomly showed up
at people's house.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, and they had no idea number one who I was,
and they still don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Probably never do that today, as nutty as people are.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Well, I yeah, I probably would because you know, uh,
you kind of it takes a lot of work. And
I would suggest to my former brethren that it's just
gonna have to be uh, to survive politically, You're gonna
have to go one by one by one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It is trench warfare. Yes, it is World War one.
Hand to hand street urban urban politically urban political urban
warfare is what it is.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (13:27):
The program is State House Happenings, your weekly look at
what's going on with Indiana politics and government. So I
was at that hearing on Monday.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Iss you were in You look spectacular.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It was like it was no tie. Yeah, well I
wasn't going to alley would wear a tie the whole day.
But there were I think one hundred and twenty seven
people scheduled to speak. Now this why I don't do
anything nice for anybody, because I was asked by the
no people. They're like, look, we need a little more
perhaps professional presentation than maybe some of the other people.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And a little more.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Somebody who knows how to speak the language of the
folks in the room or English.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And so they said, would you go do this?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I said, you know me, I'm out of here
at noon and I go home and watch my stories
and take my nap and you know, get ready to
get ready to run the day care service in the evening.
So I'm loath to ever do anything that involves anything afternoon.
But very good friends of mine who are very good people,
asked me to go speak as Okay, I'll go do it,
and ended up being there for three and a half hours. Right,
(14:30):
So this is why I don't do anything nice for anybody.
But that was my one good deed for the year.
I will say this now. I think it ended up
being not almost one hundred people spoke, It was overwhelmingly no. However,
the no people they don't understand how the game is played,
(14:50):
and they got to get Look, they can't help themselves
because a lot of a lot of not all their individuals.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Perhaps, shall we see the way my.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Probre just guy was the one guy had kind of
a Southern drawl in his voice, and I want these
Somali and Muslims in this Muslim brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Was like, oh my god, oh I missed that one.
He was here's here, here's here.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
At the end, Okay, yeah, I was, I was about
number fifty that went out of the hundred or so
who spoke. And one of the problems was they've got
those little bitty speakers because normally you just don't have
a flood of people out there, so they're little speakers
you can hear as you're walking by. You couldn't hear
anything the cross the translator thing is, you know, twenty
seconds behind, so you're having a hard time keeping track.
(15:34):
But when you are booing people in mass which the
no people were, and I get your passionate about it,
and I get that you feel strongly, but you got
to understand the language these senators are speaking. And one
that's not going to sway them either way.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
They already know you're.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Against it, and you you come, you had the sympathy
kind of behind you. You're gonna lose it by the
way they were behaving and kept trying to tell people
that and they just were not hearing it right.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And you know your you're uh. Your rally last year
created a lot of noise, and you had some legislators there,
and you had the governor there and and so you
know that that was good. That due well, it created
a lot of us UH and a lot of activity,
and uh, I'm not sure a whole lot of fear
(16:21):
because it didn't didn't it didn't make any difference. But uh,
there are people that actually came to the state House
and and and and were engaged in your issue of
property taxes and uh uh I think it was it
was something solid to get behind and and the know
uh was very you know, really difficult, uh in this
(16:44):
whole situation because there's really nothing to grasp there.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Well then and another thing too is uh, well, I
don't think and it's just protesting in general. Do you
want to generate heat or light at the end of
the day, what do you want to because anybody can
make a lot of noise. We do that, we do
that every day here. But thinking it's okay, what happens
after you're done? What happens after you all to even
go away? Because well you're you're you're right.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And this why when when I went there speak, I
asked the people who asked me, because I'm doing them
asilid and obviously I'm against it. I wouldn't take any position.
I already have it. What do you want? You want smoke?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And they said, well, probably the best way to speak
to these people is to, you know, use logic, and
and people were floored how kind I actually was, Like people,
reable people, media were doing. Rob Kendall is in the room,
like we you think, I'm gone up there and scream
at these people. So in hindsight, I kind of wish
I had, because I got a lot of grievances with
even the people that are But I it is fascinating
(17:40):
because you mentioned the the I was asked to quote
for a piece.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think it's coming out today.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
On on this whole the the Yes people and how
they've handled the turning point, ussays, et cetera. And I said,
one of the things that I learned from the property
tax debacle was it doesn't matter if you but ten
thousand letters out to people if it isn't targeted. You
have to target your approach. And at the end of
(18:08):
the day, what happened to us was, yeah, we put
literally tens of thousands of people in the game, but
it wasn't enough in each district to overcome the local
school system or the local city mayor, right, because you
got to have your own level of influential people in
that community, because they don't care if you live in Lafayette.
(18:28):
Got some lawmaker in Muncy doesn't care. And the and
the Yes people and redistrict being apparently learned nothing from
our experience because they're doing the same.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Thing, pical marketing, one on one.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It is.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
It is the fundamental communications. Know your audience, know who
you are talking to, plain and simple. The way I
talked to lawmaker and Munsey is not necessarily the same.
We'll talking Lowmaker Seymour or Gary or New Albany or Indianapolis.
Help thirty post Rode is different than thirty feth umbercent
Oft Aaron Houscha may not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, And this is what I told about it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
They said, look, my mistake was I listened to Braun
and they were like, yeah, we got this, and I
was asking them what do you want us to do?
And I was doing the things that they wanted us
to do to run it through them in hindsight, knowing
what I know now, because I had no idea any
of this word. I've never done anything like this before,
and clearly egregious mistake listening to anything Braun or Josh
Kelly or any of those people.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Said the guy with a twenty five percent approval.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well that's but you know, you don't know, right, You're thinking, Okay,
he's the governor, he's going to know who who needs
you know, you know, massaging or screaming or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Clearly he didn't know his head from oh it's a
family program. He didn't know his head from his backside.
But the point in all this is you've got to
go directly to the people with people who live in
that community.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And that's how you flip people on big issues.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
It's it's really political marketing, one on one that you
have to go where people live and you have to
you have to reach them on something that they care about.
And if it's schools, or if it's property taxes, or
if it's you know, anything that's dealing with their everyday lives.
And that's that's how you that's how you affect people.
(20:05):
That's how you create change. And right now, uh, you know,
the fear and the money and the anxiety. Uh, it
may it worked in the House of Representatives, you know,
and the people in the national.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Lot, right, I mean it was fifty seven for one.
That's a lot of Republicans who didn't go play ball, right.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
But the national political party, the Republican Party right now
is in an incredible panic of losing Congress, and that's
what's driving all this. And who knows if they get
it done. But if they got it done by one
vote in the House of Representatives, they got it done.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a it's a it's a w and see.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Another thing too, is uh for an issue to work
with regular people, you have to make it relevant to
regular people's lives. You're right, how does this How does
this new map affect my schools? How does affect inflation? Healthcare? Cause,
all all the things that we could be talking about,
but we're not going to talk about redistricting and the
pro reditioning people have not made that case.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You're right, the in the know people, the logical, those
of us in the like not just screaming about ridiculousness.
On the NO side have made that case, which is saying, look,
you are gutting communities of interest with these maps, You're
gutting the ability to represent like minded people, geography, commerce,
time zones, all of those things. You can make that
(21:21):
case very easily. On the NO side. There's no yes
that's beneficial other than it helps Trump. That's it right,
and most people don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Now, dou that.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I've always thought that lawsuits, wins will ensue, but not
being a lawyer, and I haven't read the text of
the bill. But uh, their ability or their their their
interest in hampering court action on this law is should
it pass?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Uh? Does that? Does that pass the smell test?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
No? It doesn't. Okay, it doesn't all and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So real quick, just to clarify what you're talking about
as part of this bill, they they there's language there
which basically says it has to go directly to the
Indiana Supreme Court. Some local judge can't rule. And look,
am duel, you're the lawyer here and you're the law maker.
So you guys know this better than I do. You
can't just make up the law and how.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The court system operates.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can you under under certain under certain pretense, under certain context?
This get is a little complicated. We's gotta keep this
uh as low level as possible. You can't remove jurisdiction
like this is going to appellate court or it must
be in this court, this court. But do a but
do a wholesale you know on the Supreme Court can
hear this well? When it's child and it's going to
be challenged at the trial court level.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's my point. I can't just say the court system
works in a new way that we want it to
work on this.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
That's why I brought this up.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, well, the trial court is gonna say like, no,
you can't do this, this is unconstitutional. And then if
if the law is declared it a constitution automatically goes
to the Inandana Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Look, here's the deal. Under no circumstance should I ever
be the reasonable person in any area? Like I mean,
this is how ridiculous this is. This is like, this
is how the yes like, there's no circumstance where everybody
should go. Rob is the voice of reason and sanity
in this room, and that's how ridiculous these yes, Redistrict.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
You're you the stand up comedian here?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yes? Hey, real quick.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
One thing that's super interesting to me is if this
ends twenty five to twenty five, Micah Beck with the
Lieutenant governor would be the tie breaking vote. Now, he's
not the head of anything anymore, but he is by name,
the head of agriculture. And it is indisputable that that
rural Indiana is gonna get hurt in this bill. And
I think because look, yes, no, it ain't gon affect
(23:30):
my life either way. It's gonna be the same level
of poor representation no matter no matter who it is.
But I think that would be the most fitting thing
to this whole dumpster fire process is if the Lieutenant
governor casts the tie breaking vote to screw farmers and
agriculture in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
There's gonna be a lot of there's going to be
a lot of problems that ensue with this legislation, including
that it's uh, you know, the courts, the local government.
We heard former Mayor Ballard talk about the the problems
that are going to happen should this bill pass and
(24:07):
be signed by the governor, and uh and and we
we probably don't know all the situations they are created
by this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
And by the way, it's also an unfunded mandate because
it's not just a matter of drawing a line on
a map. It's precincts. It's precincts, it's election workers, it's conventions,
it's the whole nine yards. Yeah, Kate, Kate Sweeneybell, what
if she's the clerk county and she spoke and and
she's a Democrat, but I think she echoes the sentiment
of many Republican clerks, which is, wait a second, you
(24:35):
guys are going to do this and we got a
less than a month to figure out how to make
it work.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
How is that fair to us?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And what sort of money and extra resources a you're
putting behind this because you know, as soon as it
gets screwed up, the rigged election, people are going to
be screaming and shouting and everything else when they've created
this problem.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
When we did the last map is basically fifteen months
from start. Yeah, finish, new precincts, new lines, should be
the whole nine yard. Yeah, they're basically going to do
this same Friday. And if it passes, these guys got
to what mid January?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because seventh is the filing opens the filing window, Right
is that right? Is it the seventh? I think so?
Speaker 6 (25:11):
I think yeah, it's sometime in early January.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's very early January. And on top of that, it's
Christmas time. Yeah. What if you're some person who's planning
to take the last two weeks like me, who.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
You save up all your days throughout the course of
the year, I'm out of here, Friday is my last day?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What what?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What? What?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
If you're that person, you got to just reverse course.
You don't get your off days. What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Also, when I was Marion County Republican chairman, I work
really well with Kate and uh, and she knows what word.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well with everyone because you're the most likable person. Well,
I'm just saying that if ned Flanders was a human,
it would be you, Jim Marrick, Jim Merrick.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm just saying that, you know, she knows what she's
talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, and uh, they don't care though, That's point. These
get these people that are for Yes, they care about
themselves and you know they want con Well, it's a
group of people. It's internet influencers who want favor with Trump,
it's the politicians who want power, and it's these political
consultant people who are going to make a gajillion dollars
(26:13):
if these races open up. That is the majority of
the block of the people that are pushing this.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And explain this to your constituents. That's my thing.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Explain your constituents why I don't want you to do this.
We don't want it doesn't affect our lives. Doesn't prove
our lives? Why did you vote for this?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Quickly?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I have a time frame. Lawsuits filed either on Friday
or Monday. What what's a time frame?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's loss of FO So is the governor's signed?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Oh yeah, yes, no, and so he does Thursday night yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Uh, and then and then Friday morning, ten o'clock, go
to my case dot govt to go to pacer.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Is it a week or two or three?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, no, lawsuits are ready to go. I'll go just
the fundract press.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Lay out the time we count.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, we real quick, cause I got a minute left here. Uh,
pretty days to respond.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Then there's they're probably gonna ask for a plumber injunction
to stop these mounts from going into effect. Got to
hear it on the plumber injunction, and then it probably
takes about a year or so for everything to go through.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Now that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, they're right, Okay, thirty seconds left. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There will obviously be a vote on Thursday. We're told,
will it pass? Abdul, I don't think so. No, No,
both of you still know?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Man, I'm so torn on this because I cannot see
them letting the governor fail in front of the entire nation.
I can how at well, however he's asked for it.
I am loath to defend Rod Bray on anything, but
he has given him every opportunity to exit, you know,
take the exit in front of him with grace and dignity.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And sometimes you just got to get people what they
ask them.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It would be fitting if Micah lost the vote, and if.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
He screwed all those farmers, that would be totally fitting.
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Speaker 2 (01:31):
The program State House Happenings your weekly look at what's
going on with Indiana politics and government. Before we begin
in the program, let's meet the award winning panel you
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Speaker 3 (01:45):
Abdul keep Shabaz, Hello, good morning, my friend.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Okay, so we are we should always preface this because
people who hear us on the radio station will hear
us on Sunday. We will know the end result of
redistricting by the time that airs. However, for friends and well, yes,
it's now thing's over until we decided it is. But
for our friends and podcast land many of you who
listen instantaneously when this comes out on Wednesday, we do
not have a resolution yet too redistricting. We are scheduled
(02:10):
to find that out on Thursday, so we will give
you the information as we have it in real time. Okay,
So the big news was Monday, the Elections Committee, by
a vote of six to three, voted to move it forward. However,
the three deciding yes votes Abdul will start with you,
appeared to basically say this is not a guarantee of
(02:33):
a yes vote for me on the Senate floor. I'm
simply giving my colleagues an opportunity to vote on this.
And I said this at the start of the day,
especially when I heard Rod Bracey. We'll find out Thursday
this thing is going to pass the Elections Committee, so
everybody can have a.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Say yes that it is not uncommon and our good
friend mister Merrill, I'll say this as well, for a
lawmaker to approve something out of committee so it can
have a full vote and full full vetting and the
hold on yards and Membus hold one yards and still
vote no at the end of the day.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
That this is not uncommon at all.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
So for people say like we're just going to pass like, well,
well he's up on this, he's up on the breakstort sparky. No,
not not not so much. It's just a committee vote
to move it forward. It's not a vote to say yes.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
You know, it's interesting if we do that. Well, I
saw everything in thirty years other than this, and and
and but but but our listeners have to realize though
that let's just back this up a little bit. Sir Bray,
who is the President pro temporee, who has quite the backbone. Uh,
(03:31):
he could have assigned this bill to any committee that
he wanted and Uh it could be elections, it could
be something to do with government affairs, it could be
something about like for instance, he chairs the Rules Committee.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
Yeah, that's where things go to die.
Speaker 6 (03:49):
Right.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Well sometimes and in recent protempts when when Bob Garton
was the President of the Senate, Uh, that is that
was the dungeon. Uh, David Long did hear bills in
the Rules Committee as the pro tem and and Rod
Bray could have assigned this to the Rules Committee and
then put his thumb on it because he obviously would
(04:12):
know all the votes where the votes were, and killed
the bill in committee. But Sir Bray, in a lot
of opinions, did the right thing allowing this this bill
to be heard in the Elections Committee where you know,
not everybody knew where the votes were, where they where
they were not and and and so there's there's some
(04:35):
courtesy going on here that that they are extending to
this issue, to this bill House Built ten thirty two.
And uh now it's passed the Senate Elections Committee, passed
the House of Representatives, passed the Senate Elections Committee. Now
the full Senate will hear the bill on thirsdy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Something I think about too is if I'm doing my
vote count right based on previous statements, comments and conversations
I've had had had had people voted their conscience, it
was probably the bill would probably died five to four.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Yeah, it sounded like at least two of them.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And Greg Good, senator from Terahge gave an interview I
believe it was WTHI Ben Verbannick yesterday where it kind
of sounded like that he was one of those who
was saying this needs more work, and I would agree
with you. It would had not have passed unless there
was probably some clear direction. We need to have a
vote on this now. If you do the math, that
(05:34):
puts you at roughly twenty three no's, twenty one yeses.
You got to get to twenty five for six, well,
you gotta get twenty five for Micah beck With to
break the tie. As the lieutenant governor, one way or another,
he would obviously vote yes. So the question is, and Jim,
(05:56):
you know these people better than either of I do
either a biller, I do both in terms of how
it operates and who and these people themselves. In some cases,
if you haven't come out and said yes already, I mean,
once you get the yes.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The turning points, the fair maps, all those.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
People like leave you alone, why wouldn't you just say
yes if you're a yes.
Speaker 5 (06:19):
Well, first of all, they I don't know if they
want everybody made suspense, uh, but uh, I think they
want a full vetting.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
I think that uh.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Uh. The the State House right now, it has fear
uh uh and and and money and uh the.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Center of anxiety.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
Yes, and those three uh situations, those three feelings, those
those you know, those those are factors that are absolutely
running the State House right now, and and and they
are it's it's raw and and in a lot of quarters,
it's bitter and uh and and what you're seeing is
(07:03):
that people are are are keeping to themselves on what
what their vote will be. There are several members of
the Senate that I'm assuming they're going to vote one
way or another from their statements and from their personalities.
But they and folks need to know that, uh, you know,
five years ago and prior to that, we wouldn't go
(07:26):
to the floor unless we had twenty seven Republican votes.
That not twenty six, but twenty seven.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
So I got squirrely yes.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
And in that show, what Cenaer Bracey said on before was
unless you have a majority of the majority to pass something,
it's not going to go to the floor because it's
a waste of giant time. I think things have gotten
so weird and so bizarre in this situation here that
Bray for the first time has gotten rid of that rule, like, hey,
we just let members vote their concient's not going to
press anybody like I'm gonna vote. But if Senator you know,
(07:57):
Senator Kenda wants to vote yes, Senor Mayor wants to
vote no, We'll let everybody vote their conscious And I
I'm gonna telling you, I'm sure the the caucus. Bray
has told these guys over and over again, listen to
your constituents. Yeah, so at the end of the day,
those are the people you have to answer to. Well,
so that was gonna be My question is who are
these undecided are I guess unannounced listening to? I mean,
(08:19):
do they go to Bray and say, hey, man, are
you gonna help me if I do this? Because you
know you got a turning point. USA is not gonna
spend a gajillion dollars primary senators. Now, those fair maps guys,
they've got a lot of local ties. Maybe they will
I don't know, but they got to have some sort
of conversation with break because they know what he wants.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
And they got to you, like, I mean, does that
happened before? Where they go to It was David Long
for a lot of your time, Garden for your your time.
But do they go to the big boss and go, hey,
look man, I'm on your team. But you gotta help
me here, right, right.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
But it was when I began in the Senate, we
were twenty six twenty four, yeah, and at times twenty
eight twenty two, sometimes thirty twenty, and you didn't have
a whole lot of votes to uh, to allow somebody
to flake off and flake off is the wrong word.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
But to not have another word. You can use the
stars letter half.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
But yeah, yeah, not to not to be on the team,
if you will. And so this is these are uncommon times.
And and you know it's just a real uh biology project.
I mean, it's just a real different time there that
(09:30):
that uh and and and you know, we don't know, uh,
maybe the federal maybe the national political scene is is
reaching in and you know, federal funding of hospitals or.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You know, or or your tall road or as medicaid waiver.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
We don't know what.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
You gotta reject that though, right, you gotta go, okay,
mister president, you tell deep red Indiana, because we didn't do.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
This one thing for you. You tell us.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Then you say that you gotta you gotta look a
bully in the in the face, right, and go go ahead,
go ahead and throw the first punt.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
I said, calls bluff. Yeah, that's that's my point.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
Right, Hey, come to my district and see where Indiana
and tell them you guys aren't getting the hospital because
represented blah blah wouldn't draw an imaginary line on a map.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Well that and this is where whether it's I've always
said it was Turning Point, I mean, those guys are
really obnoxious, by the way.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I mean those guys are the worst because a lot
of them don't even live in our state. But any
of these people, my response to them has been you're
gonna primary this senator and say what when you knock
on the door, this person didn't do what you wanted?
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Like what what? What is what is the pitch at
the door? Here, here's the pitch.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
This person didn't do what you didn't want them to do. Yeah,
think about that, somebody, somebody you were doing Brownsberg. Who's
your state?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Senator? Oh, I have Clark Clark?
Speaker 4 (10:45):
Hey, uh, mister, and missus Kendall, I'm from Turning Point, USA.
You know, slam the door like, hi, miss we want
you to vote against Senator Clark. Why because he did
what you wanted to do? Was he didn't vote for
these maps that Donald Trump's needs. Okay, excuse me.
Speaker 5 (10:59):
You know it comes down to hand to hand politics
and and when util or when environmentalists were threatening threatening,
you know, politically threatening me and uh and talking to constituents,
and they would in turn send me email.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I would go visit those people.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
And there were twenty three people that I'd stop by
and see on my way.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Home from I love that you just randomly showed up
at people's house.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
Yeah, and they had no idea number one who I was,
and they still don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Probably never do that today, as nutty as people are.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
Well, I yeah, I probably would because you know, uh,
you kind of it takes a lot of work. And
I would suggest to my former brethren that it's just
gonna have to be uh, to survive politically, You're gonna
have to go one by one by one.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It is.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
It is trench warfare. Yes, it is World War one.
Hand to hand street urban urban politically urban political urban
warfare is what it is.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Yeah.
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Speaker 2 (13:27):
The program is State House Happenings, your weekly look at
what's going on with Indiana politics and government. So I
was at that hearing on Monday.
Speaker 6 (13:34):
Iss you were in You look spectacular.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It was like it was no tie. Yeah, well I
wasn't going to alley would wear a tie the whole day.
But there were I think one hundred and twenty seven
people scheduled to speak. Now this why I don't do
anything nice for anybody, because I was asked by the
no people. They're like, look, we need a little more
perhaps professional presentation than maybe some of the other people.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
And a little more.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Somebody who knows how to speak the language of the
folks in the room or English.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
And so they said, would you go do this?
Speaker 2 (14:08):
And I said, you know me, I'm out of here
at noon and I go home and watch my stories
and take my nap and you know, get ready to
get ready to run the day care service in the evening.
So I'm loath to ever do anything that involves anything afternoon.
But very good friends of mine who are very good people,
asked me to go speak as Okay, I'll go do it,
and ended up being there for three and a half hours. Right,
(14:30):
So this is why I don't do anything nice for anybody.
But that was my one good deed for the year.
I will say this now. I think it ended up
being not almost one hundred people spoke, It was overwhelmingly no. However,
the no people they don't understand how the game is played,
(14:50):
and they got to get Look, they can't help themselves
because a lot of a lot of not all their individuals.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Perhaps, shall we see the way my.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Probre just guy was the one guy had kind of
a Southern drawl in his voice, and I want these
Somali and Muslims in this Muslim brotherhood.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Was like, oh my god, oh I missed that one.
He was here's here, here's here.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
At the end, Okay, yeah, I was, I was about
number fifty that went out of the hundred or so
who spoke. And one of the problems was they've got
those little bitty speakers because normally you just don't have
a flood of people out there, so they're little speakers
you can hear as you're walking by. You couldn't hear
anything the cross the translator thing is, you know, twenty
seconds behind, so you're having a hard time keeping track.
(15:34):
But when you are booing people in mass which the
no people were, and I get your passionate about it,
and I get that you feel strongly, but you got
to understand the language these senators are speaking. And one
that's not going to sway them either way.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
They already know you're.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Against it, and you you come, you had the sympathy
kind of behind you. You're gonna lose it by the
way they were behaving and kept trying to tell people
that and they just were not hearing it right.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
And you know your you're uh. Your rally last year
created a lot of noise, and you had some legislators there,
and you had the governor there and and so you
know that that was good. That due well, it created
a lot of us UH and a lot of activity,
and uh, I'm not sure a whole lot of fear
(16:21):
because it didn't didn't it didn't make any difference. But uh,
there are people that actually came to the state House
and and and and were engaged in your issue of
property taxes and uh uh I think it was it
was something solid to get behind and and the know
uh was very you know, really difficult, uh in this
(16:44):
whole situation because there's really nothing to grasp there.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
Well then and another thing too is uh, well, I
don't think and it's just protesting in general. Do you
want to generate heat or light at the end of
the day, what do you want to because anybody can
make a lot of noise. We do that, we do
that every day here. But thinking it's okay, what happens
after you're done? What happens after you all to even
go away? Because well you're you're you're right.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
And this why when when I went there speak, I
asked the people who asked me, because I'm doing them
asilid and obviously I'm against it. I wouldn't take any position.
I already have it. What do you want? You want smoke?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
What do you want?
Speaker 2 (17:17):
And they said, well, probably the best way to speak
to these people is to, you know, use logic, and
and people were floored how kind I actually was, Like people,
reable people, media were doing. Rob Kendall is in the room,
like we you think, I'm gone up there and scream
at these people. So in hindsight, I kind of wish
I had, because I got a lot of grievances with
even the people that are But I it is fascinating
(17:40):
because you mentioned the the I was asked to quote
for a piece.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I think it's coming out today.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
On on this whole the the Yes people and how
they've handled the turning point, ussays, et cetera. And I said,
one of the things that I learned from the property
tax debacle was it doesn't matter if you but ten
thousand letters out to people if it isn't targeted. You
have to target your approach. And at the end of
(18:08):
the day, what happened to us was, yeah, we put
literally tens of thousands of people in the game, but
it wasn't enough in each district to overcome the local
school system or the local city mayor, right, because you
got to have your own level of influential people in
that community, because they don't care if you live in Lafayette.
(18:28):
Got some lawmaker in Muncy doesn't care. And the and
the Yes people and redistrict being apparently learned nothing from
our experience because they're doing the same.
Speaker 6 (18:39):
Thing, pical marketing, one on one.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
It is.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
It is the fundamental communications. Know your audience, know who
you are talking to, plain and simple. The way I
talked to lawmaker and Munsey is not necessarily the same.
We'll talking Lowmaker Seymour or Gary or New Albany or Indianapolis.
Help thirty post Rode is different than thirty feth umbercent
Oft Aaron Houscha may not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Well, And this is what I told about it.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
They said, look, my mistake was I listened to Braun
and they were like, yeah, we got this, and I
was asking them what do you want us to do?
And I was doing the things that they wanted us
to do to run it through them in hindsight, knowing
what I know now, because I had no idea any
of this word. I've never done anything like this before,
and clearly egregious mistake listening to anything Braun or Josh
Kelly or any of those people.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
Said the guy with a twenty five percent approval.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Well that's but you know, you don't know, right, You're thinking, Okay,
he's the governor, he's going to know who who needs
you know, you know, massaging or screaming or whatever.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
Clearly he didn't know his head from oh it's a
family program. He didn't know his head from his backside.
But the point in all this is you've got to
go directly to the people with people who live in
that community.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
And that's how you flip people on big issues.
Speaker 5 (19:43):
It's it's really political marketing, one on one that you
have to go where people live and you have to
you have to reach them on something that they care about.
And if it's schools, or if it's property taxes, or
if it's you know, anything that's dealing with their everyday lives.
And that's that's how you that's how you affect people.
(20:05):
That's how you create change. And right now, uh, you know,
the fear and the money and the anxiety. Uh, it
may it worked in the House of Representatives, you know,
and the people in the national.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Lot, right, I mean it was fifty seven for one.
That's a lot of Republicans who didn't go play ball, right.
Speaker 5 (20:25):
But the national political party, the Republican Party right now
is in an incredible panic of losing Congress, and that's
what's driving all this. And who knows if they get
it done. But if they got it done by one
vote in the House of Representatives, they got it done.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
It's a it's a it's a w and see.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Another thing too, is uh for an issue to work
with regular people, you have to make it relevant to
regular people's lives. You're right, how does this How does
this new map affect my schools? How does affect inflation? Healthcare? Cause,
all all the things that we could be talking about,
but we're not going to talk about redistricting and the
pro reditioning people have not made that case.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
You're right, the in the know people, the logical, those
of us in the like not just screaming about ridiculousness.
On the NO side have made that case, which is saying, look,
you are gutting communities of interest with these maps, You're
gutting the ability to represent like minded people, geography, commerce,
time zones, all of those things. You can make that
(21:21):
case very easily. On the NO side. There's no yes
that's beneficial other than it helps Trump. That's it right,
and most people don't care about that.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
Now, dou that.
Speaker 5 (21:29):
I've always thought that lawsuits, wins will ensue, but not
being a lawyer, and I haven't read the text of
the bill. But uh, their ability or their their their
interest in hampering court action on this law is should
it pass?
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Uh? Does that? Does that pass the smell test?
Speaker 3 (21:52):
No? It doesn't. Okay, it doesn't all and.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So real quick, just to clarify what you're talking about
as part of this bill, they they there's language there
which basically says it has to go directly to the
Indiana Supreme Court. Some local judge can't rule. And look,
am duel, you're the lawyer here and you're the law maker.
So you guys know this better than I do. You
can't just make up the law and how.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
The court system operates.
Speaker 4 (22:13):
Can you under under certain under certain pretense, under certain context?
This get is a little complicated. We's gotta keep this
uh as low level as possible. You can't remove jurisdiction
like this is going to appellate court or it must
be in this court, this court. But do a but
do a wholesale you know on the Supreme Court can
hear this well? When it's child and it's going to
be challenged at the trial court level.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
That's my point. I can't just say the court system
works in a new way that we want it to
work on this.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
That's why I brought this up.
Speaker 4 (22:39):
Yeah, well, the trial court is gonna say like, no,
you can't do this, this is unconstitutional. And then if
if the law is declared it a constitution automatically goes
to the Inandana Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Look, here's the deal. Under no circumstance should I ever
be the reasonable person in any area? Like I mean,
this is how ridiculous this is. This is like, this
is how the yes like, there's no circumstance where everybody
should go. Rob is the voice of reason and sanity
in this room, and that's how ridiculous these yes, Redistrict.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
You're you the stand up comedian here?
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yes? Hey, real quick.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
One thing that's super interesting to me is if this
ends twenty five to twenty five, Micah Beck with the
Lieutenant governor would be the tie breaking vote. Now, he's
not the head of anything anymore, but he is by name,
the head of agriculture. And it is indisputable that that
rural Indiana is gonna get hurt in this bill. And
I think because look, yes, no, it ain't gon affect
(23:30):
my life either way. It's gonna be the same level
of poor representation no matter no matter who it is.
But I think that would be the most fitting thing
to this whole dumpster fire process is if the Lieutenant
governor casts the tie breaking vote to screw farmers and
agriculture in the state of Indiana.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
There's gonna be a lot of there's going to be
a lot of problems that ensue with this legislation, including
that it's uh, you know, the courts, the local government.
We heard former Mayor Ballard talk about the the problems
that are going to happen should this bill pass and
(24:07):
be signed by the governor, and uh and and we
we probably don't know all the situations they are created
by this.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
And by the way, it's also an unfunded mandate because
it's not just a matter of drawing a line on
a map. It's precincts. It's precincts, it's election workers, it's conventions,
it's the whole nine yards. Yeah, Kate, Kate Sweeneybell, what
if she's the clerk county and she spoke and and
she's a Democrat, but I think she echoes the sentiment
of many Republican clerks, which is, wait a second, you
(24:35):
guys are going to do this and we got a
less than a month to figure out how to make
it work.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
How is that fair to us?
Speaker 2 (24:42):
And what sort of money and extra resources a you're
putting behind this because you know, as soon as it
gets screwed up, the rigged election, people are going to
be screaming and shouting and everything else when they've created
this problem.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
When we did the last map is basically fifteen months
from start. Yeah, finish, new precincts, new lines, should be
the whole nine yard. Yeah, they're basically going to do
this same Friday. And if it passes, these guys got
to what mid January?
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Because seventh is the filing opens the filing window, Right
is that right? Is it the seventh? I think so?
Speaker 6 (25:11):
I think yeah, it's sometime in early January.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
It's very early January. And on top of that, it's
Christmas time. Yeah. What if you're some person who's planning
to take the last two weeks like me, who.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
You save up all your days throughout the course of
the year, I'm out of here, Friday is my last day?
Speaker 5 (25:27):
What what?
Speaker 1 (25:28):
What? What?
Speaker 3 (25:28):
If you're that person, you got to just reverse course.
You don't get your off days. What are we doing?
Speaker 5 (25:32):
Also, when I was Marion County Republican chairman, I work
really well with Kate and uh, and she knows what word.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well with everyone because you're the most likable person. Well,
I'm just saying that if ned Flanders was a human,
it would be you, Jim Marrick, Jim Merrick.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I'm just saying that, you know, she knows what she's
talking about.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Yeah, and uh, they don't care though, That's point. These
get these people that are for Yes, they care about
themselves and you know they want con Well, it's a
group of people. It's internet influencers who want favor with Trump,
it's the politicians who want power, and it's these political
consultant people who are going to make a gajillion dollars
(26:13):
if these races open up. That is the majority of
the block of the people that are pushing this.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And explain this to your constituents. That's my thing.
Speaker 4 (26:20):
Explain your constituents why I don't want you to do this.
We don't want it doesn't affect our lives. Doesn't prove
our lives? Why did you vote for this?
Speaker 6 (26:27):
Quickly?
Speaker 5 (26:27):
I have a time frame. Lawsuits filed either on Friday
or Monday. What what's a time frame?
Speaker 3 (26:33):
It's loss of FO So is the governor's signed?
Speaker 5 (26:35):
Oh yeah, yes, no, and so he does Thursday night yeah.
Speaker 4 (26:38):
Uh, and then and then Friday morning, ten o'clock, go
to my case dot govt to go to pacer.
Speaker 6 (26:45):
Is it a week or two or three?
Speaker 2 (26:48):
No?
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, no, lawsuits are ready to go. I'll go just
the fundract press.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Lay out the time we count.
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Yeah, we real quick, cause I got a minute left here. Uh,
pretty days to respond.
Speaker 4 (27:03):
Then there's they're probably gonna ask for a plumber injunction
to stop these mounts from going into effect. Got to
hear it on the plumber injunction, and then it probably
takes about a year or so for everything to go through.
Speaker 6 (27:11):
Now that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Yeah, they're right, Okay, thirty seconds left. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
There will obviously be a vote on Thursday. We're told,
will it pass? Abdul, I don't think so. No, No,
both of you still know?
Speaker 5 (27:22):
No?
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Okay, Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Man, I'm so torn on this because I cannot see
them letting the governor fail in front of the entire nation.
I can how at well, however he's asked for it.
I am loath to defend Rod Bray on anything, but
he has given him every opportunity to exit, you know,
take the exit in front of him with grace and dignity.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
And sometimes you just got to get people what they
ask them.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
It would be fitting if Micah lost the vote, and if.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
He screwed all those farmers, that would be totally fitting.
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