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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, great news, Casey, Oh yeah, I know you're going
to be so pumped up about this.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay are you? Are you holding onto your chair with
both hands?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I am now ted Cruz is pondering another run for president.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
That's great news, is it? Am?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I supposed to be excited about this. Didn't you do
that back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Twenty sixteen, Well that was his year, right, you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Know we were supposed to be as here he was wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, we were talking about this during the break.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's fascinating how short the window actually really is for
these politicians, Like if you're and obviously we think it's
super bizarre, but there are people who their whole life
evolves around being in politics and elevating themselves in politics.
And for so many of these people, and look, in
a country of three hundred and thirty plus million people,
there's a monumental amount of narcissism involved to believe you
(00:51):
can run it better than anybody else. Right, and I'm
at both parties, you know, to think of all these people,
I could do this better than anybody else. But one
of the things about these politicians, especially these people who
elevate to the tippy top, is there's a real finite
window for you to strike, and it takes a lot
of luck, you know, a lot of the you know, planets,
(01:14):
the ligne, in God's will, God's favor to.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
For it all to work together.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because we were talking about Evan By is a great example.
Evan By was on this trajectory, especially after he became
a United States senator. Hey, this guy's got president written
all over him. He's at the very least got vice president.
I mean he is like straight out of Central casting
for a vice president. He comes from a you know,
(01:40):
a red state. He's non offensive, good looking guy. And
every time from like two thousand through really kind of Hillary,
his name always surfaced as one of the finalists, one
of the people under consideration, and he never even got
the call to run as a vice president. And by
(02:01):
political standards, he kind of did everything right. And so
it shows you. Ted Cruz twenty sixteen was supposed to
be his thing. He was the fire brand on the right.
The right's done with the nominating moderates. We'd lost to Romney, Well,
Romney McCain. We're done with it. We're no more bushes. Hey,
Ted Cruise is articulate, he's got all the bona fides,
(02:22):
and the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Trump something obliterates the guy, and now nobody even talks
about Ted Cruise.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's interesting you said twenty sixteen, because that's the same
time that the Great State of Indiana showed Evan by
the door.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, and it is when Todd Young beat him for Senate.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, you think about that twenty sixteen before, I mean,
Trump had been involved, but outside of me. And this
is kind of one of the reasons I got on
the radar of this place was I got the interview
with Trump. But I was also one of the few
people in the media who was saying from the beginning
he's going to win.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everybody was laughing at him a joke.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I knew the moment he came off that escalator and
that speech he gave us that it's gonna be a
Republican nominee for president, and I thought he would win
the presidency. I remember doing an event after the first
debate with the Indie Star. They had several like they
were mostly like establishment politicos, and they were like, well,
let's just piss these people off as much as a
candle's invite rob and everybody watches the debate and they're
(03:20):
live streaming and commentary, and after the debate between Trump
and Hillary, they go to everybody about what do you think?
And all these Republican establishment people are they're laughing, and
you know, oh, it was horrible for Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's all Hillary, it's all over. He couldn't anywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And they get to me and I was the one
person he said Trump won, and they like people just
start laughing at me. And I said, you guys are
thinking about this all the wrong way. Donald Trump is
talking to a very specific group of people. He's not
talking to the nation. He's talking to people in Pittsburgh,
and he's talking to people outside of Detroit and Milwaukee.
(03:54):
And I said, you watch and what happened. And my
point in all of this is you think about the
Republicans who started that campaign in twenty fifteen. You had
legit rocks, traditional Republican rock stars Rubio and Cruz and
Ran Paul, and you're like, what a dream team of
people we have to choose from. Trump swoops in just
(04:16):
destroys all of them. And so now there is this
real question, especially if Trump doesn't get it together in
terms of approval rating and how he's viewed going out
the door. Who is the next torch bearer of the
Republican Party? Because if Trump's not popular, it doesn't bode
well for Vance A Ruby JD.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Vance.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right, a lot of people are saying, well, obviously it's
going to be Jade Vance.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It may not be the case.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So Cruz is reportedly working to differentiate himself as a candidate,
kind of like in a post Trump era. Right, He's
trying to position himself just a little bit differently. He
opposed the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Show, and he faced
him backlash because of that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But is that all part of his game play?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He still he still still wants to be a leader
of the GOP, just not It's like he's trying.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
To thread that needle, you know, like I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Going to be faithful and honest with Trump, but at
the same time, I'm a different guy. He's trying to
say that he's this intellectual leader.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, like the Telegraph has an article out about this
today and in him laying the groundwork running for president.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
The problem again, Ken, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The problem for a Ted Cruise or really for any politician,
especially in the modern Twitter twenty four to seven media
world we live in. It's very hard to reinvent yourself
because the Internet and the memories are forever, which is
why when so many of these politicians can't do it
(05:50):
or come off ridiculous, and they don't succeed because you
never really do know the real them because they're shape shifters.
They always try to fit into whatever box is most
politically expedient in the moment. And for a Ted Cruz,
after years of being one thing, which I would hope
he was that because that's what he was, it's going
(06:11):
to be hard for you to reinvent yourself or go no,
look at this version of me rather than the twenty
plus your political history.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
People have to look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, you're talking about the shape shifting. I mean you
remember when Trump labeled him as lion Ted.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Lion Ted puts the Bible up, Hi tells the truth,
puts the Bible Downy.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Lines called line Ted. That crowd in Indianapolis erupted.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He did that at the fairgrounds and the people went crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Of course, Cruz called Trump a sniveling coward, right, but
now Cruz has been a defender of Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
His dad might have killed Kennedy, don't know, didn't say
it happened. I'm saying it could have happened, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So he's really trying to balance this loyalty with Trump
but also appealing to more of a traditional conservative. He's
trying to thread that needle so much. And there's a
there's of people now that are I voted for Trump
three times, but now they're saying, you know, they're burning
the red hat, they're giving up on MAGA, although there's
still conservative So is that who Cruse is trying to
(07:13):
talk to.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, I'd think you've got to wait to see what
the mid term election in the direction of the country
looks like, because a strong Trump makes it much harder.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The problem for all these.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
People is they've given into Trump so often they can't
run as outsiders even if they're not in the Trump orbit.
So many of these people Cruise included, have become basically
subservient to Trump and just carried his talking points even
though you know they don't agree with a bunch of
them that if Trump is unpopular, it's going to be
very hard to get out of it and go and
(07:49):
not me and present yourself as some sort of outsider.
You know, when you really saw the true colors of
a Ted cruise. And there are certain moments for me
in the Robkendall origin story, how did you become the
way that you are?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Why are you like that? Different things?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's a collection of things, but there are certain things
that really stood out to me that just like hit
me between the eyes and how phony these politicians are.
When Ted Cruz gave his speech at the Republican National
Convention in twenty sixteen, everybody knew he hated Trump. I mean,
he alluded that his dad killed Kennedy for crying out loud, right,
nobody would blame you. But he gets up there and
(08:30):
then it comes time to make the cell one way
or another, and he settles on vote your conscience.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And I was like, you are just like the rest
of these people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You don't have the bollular area to say what you think,
and everybody knows what you think because you're worried about
being judged and how it's going to affect your political career. So,
mister Johnny tough guy, really is no different than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Vote my conscience? What is that the leadership is that?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, that's him trying to thread the news exactly that's
still wants to be in good standing and if there's
a cabinet position to please still get that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's why I find it like to bring this thing
full circle because all the commentary and the Secretary of
States trace oh oh bow bye, the family, the legacy
career want to be career politician.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Diego ran for Congress and lost.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He desperately wanted to be in Congress, actually wanted to
be Secretary of State first. Then he found out Connie
Lawson wasn't quitting like he thought she was going to,
and he was gonna get his ass kicked. So he
technically explored running for and ran for one of them
two things, and then ran for secretary of State. He
is the want to be career politician. He worked in
(09:49):
politics much of his adult life in this country, he
is that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And yet that's fine.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
My point in all this is the bow bye stuff
is all fair criticism. But how willfully and naively we
ignore whatever side we're on when the when our side
is doing the exact same thing. And this is why
we're just a country run by career politicians who do
(10:15):
or say whatever is politically expeeding in the moment, Because
that's what we have told them, we will accept how.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Many times is too much running for president because you've
got you know, Ted Cruz obviously did it, and Marco
Rubio did it as well. But it's interesting because when
you're the heir apparent seems to be JD. Vance, but
when you're inside the Beltway you hear more rumblings about
it being Marco Rubio. Actually who is more impressive to people?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, okay, so like let's think out loud here, like
he ran already well Ted Cruz. Yeah, but I'm trying
to think this through. In the like post World War
Two era, you had Nixon who ran and law He
actually won the presidency in nineteen sixty but was not
declared the president. So Nixon did it, made the comeback.
(11:08):
Let's see, Reagan ran in seventy six to challenge Ford
and lost, but that was sort of like Hairby knew
Reagan was the better guy. We can't go against the
sitting president of the United States. You had I'm trying
to think of people who want Bush technically ran against Reagan. Well,
(11:30):
Bush ran against Reagan in eighty but there was eight
years in between it and he was the vice president. Clinton
ran once Bush ran once, Obama ran once, Trump ran once,
Biden ran three times. So it's a mixed bag, right,
it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
On are you?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think it's more or less you got to give
it time. I think that's sort of the lesson.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Nixon tried to become governor Californian loss, Bush was the
vice president. Biden was a huge gap between plagiarisms and
running for president. So I think if you eight years
is probably what it'd be. Twelve years, right?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is that right? My I'm trying to do math on
the fly. It'll be twelve years.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
If Rubio were to run or Cruz runs again, they'd
be twelve years between the last time they ran for president.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
How old do you think Ted Cruz is?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
He has got to be in his late He was
young when he got elected, but he's been let's see,
he's been there since twenty ten, right, so he was
in his mid forties. I'll say prices right, rules would
go over all, right, keV, I'll let you go first.
How old do you think Ted Cruz is? I'll let
you have first, stab at it. I got my number.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think he's fifty six.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I was going to go with him being fifty five,
but I bet Kevin is probably right.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What's the number you're both over?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
He's fifty four. WHOA December twenty second, nineteen seven, So.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
He was like barely forty years old when he was
elected US senator, right Texas. Yeah, holy smokes.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So he and he probably ran on his youth then,
and they're still there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They're always still there. Comparatively, he is young
Hey, great news, Casey, Oh yeah, I know you're going
to be so pumped up about this.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Okay are you? Are you holding onto your chair with
both hands?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
I am now ted Cruz is pondering another run for president.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
That's great news, is it? Am?
Speaker 3 (00:16):
I supposed to be excited about this. Didn't you do
that back in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Twenty sixteen, Well that was his year, right, you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
Know we were supposed to be as here he was wrong.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Well, we were talking about this during the break.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
It's fascinating how short the window actually really is for
these politicians, Like if you're and obviously we think it's
super bizarre, but there are people who their whole life
evolves around being in politics and elevating themselves in politics.
And for so many of these people, and look, in
a country of three hundred and thirty plus million people,
there's a monumental amount of narcissism involved to believe you
(00:51):
can run it better than anybody else. Right, and I'm
at both parties, you know, to think of all these people,
I could do this better than anybody else. But one
of the things about these politicians, especially these people who
elevate to the tippy top, is there's a real finite
window for you to strike, and it takes a lot
of luck, you know, a lot of the you know, planets,
(01:14):
the ligne, in God's will, God's favor to.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
For it all to work together.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Because we were talking about Evan By is a great example.
Evan By was on this trajectory, especially after he became
a United States senator. Hey, this guy's got president written
all over him. He's at the very least got vice president.
I mean he is like straight out of Central casting
for a vice president. He comes from a you know,
(01:40):
a red state. He's non offensive, good looking guy. And
every time from like two thousand through really kind of Hillary,
his name always surfaced as one of the finalists, one
of the people under consideration, and he never even got
the call to run as a vice president. And by
(02:01):
political standards, he kind of did everything right. And so
it shows you. Ted Cruz twenty sixteen was supposed to
be his thing. He was the fire brand on the right.
The right's done with the nominating moderates. We'd lost to Romney, Well,
Romney McCain. We're done with it. We're no more bushes. Hey,
Ted Cruise is articulate, he's got all the bona fides,
(02:22):
and the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Trump something obliterates the guy, and now nobody even talks
about Ted Cruise.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
It's interesting you said twenty sixteen, because that's the same
time that the Great State of Indiana showed Evan by
the door.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
Well, and it is when Todd Young beat him for Senate.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Well, you think about that twenty sixteen before, I mean,
Trump had been involved, but outside of me. And this
is kind of one of the reasons I got on
the radar of this place was I got the interview
with Trump. But I was also one of the few
people in the media who was saying from the beginning
he's going to win.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Everybody was laughing at him a joke.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
I knew the moment he came off that escalator and
that speech he gave us that it's gonna be a
Republican nominee for president, and I thought he would win
the presidency. I remember doing an event after the first
debate with the Indie Star. They had several like they
were mostly like establishment politicos, and they were like, well,
let's just piss these people off as much as a
candle's invite rob and everybody watches the debate and they're
(03:20):
live streaming and commentary, and after the debate between Trump
and Hillary, they go to everybody about what do you think?
And all these Republican establishment people are they're laughing, and
you know, oh, it was horrible for Trump.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It's all Hillary, it's all over. He couldn't anywhere.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
And they get to me and I was the one
person he said Trump won, and they like people just
start laughing at me. And I said, you guys are
thinking about this all the wrong way. Donald Trump is
talking to a very specific group of people. He's not
talking to the nation. He's talking to people in Pittsburgh,
and he's talking to people outside of Detroit and Milwaukee.
(03:54):
And I said, you watch and what happened. And my
point in all of this is you think about the
Republicans who started that campaign in twenty fifteen. You had
legit rocks, traditional Republican rock stars Rubio and Cruz and
Ran Paul, and you're like, what a dream team of
people we have to choose from. Trump swoops in just
(04:16):
destroys all of them. And so now there is this
real question, especially if Trump doesn't get it together in
terms of approval rating and how he's viewed going out
the door. Who is the next torch bearer of the
Republican Party? Because if Trump's not popular, it doesn't bode
well for Vance A Ruby JD.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
Vance.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Right, a lot of people are saying, well, obviously it's
going to be Jade Vance.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
It may not be the case.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
So Cruz is reportedly working to differentiate himself as a candidate,
kind of like in a post Trump era. Right, He's
trying to position himself just a little bit differently. He
opposed the suspension of Jimmy Kimmel Show, and he faced
him backlash because of that.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But is that all part of his game play?
Speaker 3 (05:00):
He still he still still wants to be a leader
of the GOP, just not It's like he's trying.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
To thread that needle, you know, like I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:08):
Going to be faithful and honest with Trump, but at
the same time, I'm a different guy. He's trying to
say that he's this intellectual leader.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So, like the Telegraph has an article out about this
today and in him laying the groundwork running for president.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
The problem again, Ken, Yes, thank you.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
The problem for a Ted Cruise or really for any politician,
especially in the modern Twitter twenty four to seven media
world we live in. It's very hard to reinvent yourself
because the Internet and the memories are forever, which is
why when so many of these politicians can't do it
(05:50):
or come off ridiculous, and they don't succeed because you
never really do know the real them because they're shape shifters.
They always try to fit into whatever box is most
politically expedient in the moment. And for a Ted Cruz,
after years of being one thing, which I would hope
he was that because that's what he was, it's going
(06:11):
to be hard for you to reinvent yourself or go no,
look at this version of me rather than the twenty
plus your political history.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
People have to look at it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Well, you're talking about the shape shifting. I mean you
remember when Trump labeled him as lion Ted.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Lion Ted puts the Bible up, Hi tells the truth,
puts the Bible Downy.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Lines called line Ted. That crowd in Indianapolis erupted.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He did that at the fairgrounds and the people went crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Of course, Cruz called Trump a sniveling coward, right, but
now Cruz has been a defender of Trump.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
His dad might have killed Kennedy, don't know, didn't say
it happened. I'm saying it could have happened, don't know.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
So he's really trying to balance this loyalty with Trump
but also appealing to more of a traditional conservative. He's
trying to thread that needle so much. And there's a
there's of people now that are I voted for Trump
three times, but now they're saying, you know, they're burning
the red hat, they're giving up on MAGA, although there's
still conservative So is that who Cruse is trying to
(07:13):
talk to.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well, I'd think you've got to wait to see what
the mid term election in the direction of the country
looks like, because a strong Trump makes it much harder.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
The problem for all these.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
People is they've given into Trump so often they can't
run as outsiders even if they're not in the Trump orbit.
So many of these people Cruise included, have become basically
subservient to Trump and just carried his talking points even
though you know they don't agree with a bunch of
them that if Trump is unpopular, it's going to be
very hard to get out of it and go and
(07:49):
not me and present yourself as some sort of outsider.
You know, when you really saw the true colors of
a Ted cruise. And there are certain moments for me
in the Robkendall origin story, how did you become the
way that you are?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Why are you like that? Different things?
Speaker 1 (08:06):
It's a collection of things, but there are certain things
that really stood out to me that just like hit
me between the eyes and how phony these politicians are.
When Ted Cruz gave his speech at the Republican National
Convention in twenty sixteen, everybody knew he hated Trump. I mean,
he alluded that his dad killed Kennedy for crying out loud, right,
nobody would blame you. But he gets up there and
(08:30):
then it comes time to make the cell one way
or another, and he settles on vote your conscience.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And I was like, you are just like the rest
of these people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
You don't have the bollular area to say what you think,
and everybody knows what you think because you're worried about
being judged and how it's going to affect your political career. So,
mister Johnny tough guy, really is no different than everybody else.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Vote my conscience? What is that the leadership is that?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Well, that's him trying to thread the news exactly that's
still wants to be in good standing and if there's
a cabinet position to please still get that.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
That's why I find it like to bring this thing
full circle because all the commentary and the Secretary of
States trace oh oh bow bye, the family, the legacy
career want to be career politician.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Diego ran for Congress and lost.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
He desperately wanted to be in Congress, actually wanted to
be Secretary of State first. Then he found out Connie
Lawson wasn't quitting like he thought she was going to,
and he was gonna get his ass kicked. So he
technically explored running for and ran for one of them
two things, and then ran for secretary of State. He
is the want to be career politician. He worked in
(09:49):
politics much of his adult life in this country, he
is that.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
And yet that's fine.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
My point in all this is the bow bye stuff
is all fair criticism. But how willfully and naively we
ignore whatever side we're on when the when our side
is doing the exact same thing. And this is why
we're just a country run by career politicians who do
(10:15):
or say whatever is politically expeeding in the moment, Because
that's what we have told them, we will accept how.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Many times is too much running for president because you've
got you know, Ted Cruz obviously did it, and Marco
Rubio did it as well. But it's interesting because when
you're the heir apparent seems to be JD. Vance, but
when you're inside the Beltway you hear more rumblings about
it being Marco Rubio. Actually who is more impressive to people?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Yeah, okay, so like let's think out loud here, like
he ran already well Ted Cruz. Yeah, but I'm trying
to think this through. In the like post World War
Two era, you had Nixon who ran and law He
actually won the presidency in nineteen sixty but was not
declared the president. So Nixon did it, made the comeback.
(11:08):
Let's see, Reagan ran in seventy six to challenge Ford
and lost, but that was sort of like Hairby knew
Reagan was the better guy. We can't go against the
sitting president of the United States. You had I'm trying
to think of people who want Bush technically ran against Reagan. Well,
(11:30):
Bush ran against Reagan in eighty but there was eight
years in between it and he was the vice president. Clinton
ran once Bush ran once, Obama ran once, Trump ran once,
Biden ran three times. So it's a mixed bag, right,
it's a mixed bag.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
On are you?
Speaker 1 (11:51):
I think it's more or less you got to give
it time. I think that's sort of the lesson.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Nixon tried to become governor Californian loss, Bush was the
vice president. Biden was a huge gap between plagiarisms and
running for president. So I think if you eight years
is probably what it'd be. Twelve years, right?
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Is that right? My I'm trying to do math on
the fly. It'll be twelve years.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
If Rubio were to run or Cruz runs again, they'd
be twelve years between the last time they ran for president.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
How old do you think Ted Cruz is?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
He has got to be in his late He was
young when he got elected, but he's been let's see,
he's been there since twenty ten, right, so he was
in his mid forties. I'll say prices right, rules would
go over all, right, keV, I'll let you go first.
How old do you think Ted Cruz is? I'll let
you have first, stab at it. I got my number.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I think he's fifty six.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
I was going to go with him being fifty five,
but I bet Kevin is probably right.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
What's the number you're both over?
Speaker 3 (12:48):
He's fifty four. WHOA December twenty second, nineteen seven, So.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
He was like barely forty years old when he was
elected US senator, right Texas. Yeah, holy smokes.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
So he and he probably ran on his youth then,
and they're still there.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
They're always still there. Comparatively, he is young
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