Drunk in a Dumpster

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders. Kind of in
the middle of the week.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Oh, that's the new title. I'm Heather and I'm dealing.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Hey Dylan, what up girl? How are you today?

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'm doing great.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
I'm great as well. Just found out we got to
get a plumber out here. You know. It's just like
never ending.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Yes, I know, and it makes me really glad that
I rent. Well, there's that the pros and cons to everything, right, folks.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I'm just thinking of I know a lot of folks
are in the same boat. It just feels like you
take hit after hit after hit. But you know what,
Dylan and we keep shining, We keep showing up every day,
and it's the pendulum's got to swing the other way, right.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well, statistically speaking, it has to break your way one
one day, you know, sooner or later. And you know
there's one thing about it.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Well, Annie did say the sun will come out to
my row?

Speaker 2 (00:54):
Yeah? Yeah, and then you have four days of rain,
so you know what, does Annie know?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:00):
But really, it's not how many times you get hit,
it's whether or not you get back up.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Yeah, because you know, I get knocked down, I get
back up. Again.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
No, I just look at life like a ninety song
and I'll smile and I spit blood and I say, please,
may I have another You're rocky? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, a punch of big side of meat or something.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Yeah, they your weather? No, all right, So here we
are in the middle of the week, let's just call
it that, and there's a lot going on. So what
are we going to talk about?

Speaker 1 (01:31):
There is a lot going on, Dylan, you actually had
a bit of an update for us, So would you
like to kick off the episode telling us your bit
of news that you've recently learned today.

Speaker 2 (01:43):
Yes, it appears that this was one of the more
notable things that stuck out to me this week. Karen
Reid will be back in court and what for you
might ask, since being basically it' xonerated of all the
major charges that were against her, now there's going to
be a civil law suit against her.

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Dylan, I have to ask you in these cases, oftentimes
high profile cases. I think of OJ and the Goldman
family and the Cole Brown Simpsons family. I think of
the Kendrick Johnson case, these crimes, or these homicides or
maybe even suspected homicides, even if it's not ruled homicide.

(02:25):
A lot of times families will go after someone in
a civil court, they'll fall lawsuit, Yes, wrongful death, that
kind of thing. Now, how do you feel about that?
Do you think that's the right thing to do? Do
you think it's fair? Like, what are your feelings about it?

Speaker 2 (02:43):
Well, as many of us know that the bar for
guilt and proof of evidence is much lower in a
civil case than is in criminal case. And you know,
it's really I have mixed feelings about it because in
some instances Oj for example, I think the family was
well within their rights and rightfully so to go after

(03:03):
him civilly because I think he did it right. I mean,
I think it really, in my mind, comes down to
whether or not I think that the defendant in the
criminal trial is truly guilty or not, and if they
kind of got off on a technicality or if you will,
got away with it. But yeah, so her boyfriend's gosh

(03:26):
his name, I'll always forget his name, and I apologize o'keith, Yes,
mister O'Keeffe's family. Yes, I believe you're.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
Believe you're correct, very irish name.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
You're like a your mind's like a still trap. They
are suing Karen Reid for wrong of death, and they're
also suing I think two different bars where they were
being she was being served alcohol, so that could be interesting.

Speaker 1 (03:50):
Now you also told me that Karen has her own
lawsuits coming.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
Karen's got her a big old litigious bag, and she's
about to unleash it on some state police, I guess,
most notably the one who was let go for defaming
her and violating her civil rights and her lawyers frey terms,
you know, putting out the terrible text messages that were

(04:17):
brought forth in court about her very unprofessional. And it's interesting.
I heard a case on dateline, and of course I'll
be short on details right quick. There's a whole nother case,
a poor young lady who at first they said maybe suicide,
but later on they thought otherwise. Happened in the same

(04:39):
time as Karen read in the same area, and her
case involves some of the same members of state police
and stuff. She was actually like a part of like
a police you know how they'll do like the civil
or the civilian thing where you can.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
Kind of like a civilian police academy. Yeah, where you
can kind of volunteer, Yes, do ride alongs that sort
of thing.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
Yes, she was very interested in possibly going into law enforcement. Okay,
well she was just a little thing like gosh, I
don't know, four eleven or something like that, little tiny girl,
and all this salacious stuff came out eventually about other
deputies who were part of the program having sexual relations
with her, and one of them even allegedly before when

(05:28):
she was like fifteen or sixteen years old. So, I mean,
I think it really points to there quite possibly seems
to be a significant culture issue maybe in those police
the state police there.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
Well, you know, I don't necessarily think it's just within
the Massachusetts State Police, because I think that is a
problem in a lot of law enforcement agencies.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
I agree. Once again, it's one of those institutions where
people have power and control and just prestige, and they
often sometimes I shouldn't say often, sometimes some of the
officers or people connected use that to take advantage of people.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Well, I know, just in our small town, I had
a connection to a member of law enforcement, and the stories,
the gossip, the rumors that I would hear about sleeping
with other cops wives and the cheating, and I mean,
and it just seemed out of control. There was a

(06:35):
lot of a lot of rumors in gossip and so
you know, and of course you can't always believe what
you hear, but I do believe that that is maybe
a cultural thing in a lot of departments.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Yeah, and I've heard. I used to work with someone
who was a sheriff's deputy for many years and he said,
I guess that you know, some women kind of have
a thing for a badge bunnies.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah, bunnies.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
They have a thing for a guy in uniform, you know,
be it a police or a fireman or you know,
they have their preference. But that seems to really be
a thing that you know that they kind of go after,
you know, I mean it's, hey, it's her life or whatever.
But and you told me more about how it's kind
of floats around in a big circle. You know, they're

(07:27):
all connected and know each other. I don't know, it's
kind of strange to me.

Speaker 1 (07:31):
It's very strange to me as well. But I mean,
I guess in any kind of insular community, and we'll
just say, like the law enforcement community. Anytime you have
this sort of insular community, you're spending a lot of
time together, you're running the same circles. I think maybe
you get that. I mean, I'm sure it's not just
law enforcement. It's probably common in a lot of other

(07:54):
it's common in the military. It's a lot of adultery
in the military. So again, I think maybe it's just
in these sort of insular communities. Well, things happen.

Speaker 2 (08:06):
Beware of the bad.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
We talk about cheating a lot on this show. You're cheating,
har We'll set you free, all right, Dylan, Let's move along. Okay,
we got Karon reed. She's being sued. She's selling people.
Everybody's being sued. Everybody being sued up in here. I'm
with your wife, had your kids. They don't get sued.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
They sewing everybody out here, everybody. I might sue somebody.
Who are you gonna say, I'm not sure yet.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I'm gonna sue you for like mental stress.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
You don't have any evidence of that stressing me out.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
I have so much evidence of that, Dylan. Let's get
into today's podcast. We have got a lot to discuss
as far as crime news, and I have our main
story for the day. I'm gonna not our main story,
but like we're gonna open the show with this because
it's a weird but true story. Okay, all right, we
have to discuss a dumpster diving raccoon got trashed.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
When Kentucky nurse Misty Combs headed into work at the
Letcher County Health Department in Whitesburg, Kentucky, she did not
expect one of her patients that day to be a
wild animal. And you know, she's had some pretty crazy
days on the job, but nothing like this. So Combs
and her coworker heard a bit of a ruckous happening

(09:28):
in the dumpster that's located out in their parking lot
behind this health department, And as they approached, they noticed
there was a panicked raccoon attempting to rescue two of
her pups that were trapped inside this well, I guess
she was trying to rescue the two pups, right, They're
trapped inside this dumpster, and this health department is located

(09:49):
next to Kentucky Missed Moonshine, which is a distillery, and
they had put some fermented peaches into this dumpster, and
the baby raccoons had gotten into the dumpster and we're
unable to get out. Now, this nurse had a bit
of a motherly instinct, and she knew she had to
help get this Mama's this raccoon, Mama's baby's out the dumpster.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
Would you help? Would you help a wild animal in
this situation like this? Well, of course, if I could,
I would try.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
So she saw that mama was trying really hard to
get her babies, and she didn't know what to do.
Comes grabs a shovel. She scoops out the first baby raccoon,
who ran to its mama. Oh, how cute. They're reunited.
But the second raccoon was face down in the bottom
of the dumpster. It's filled with water and moon shine
soaked peaches. The nurse grabs the raccoon by the tail

(10:40):
and pulls it to safety, and then she realizes it's unresponsive.
Everybody around is telling her it's dead, it's not breathing,
it's drowned. It's full of water. I mean, she's like,
you know, you could fill the water. So she immediately
starts doing CPR on this baby raccoon. Now not mouth
to mouth right before you ask, but she's performing CPR
on this port little raccoon.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
She's doing compressions.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, a coworker takes a video which is now a
viral video. It made it surrounds all over social media
of Combe's performing compressions on this little raccoon's chest. She's
flipping it on its side, she's slapping its back. She's
trying to to bring this guy back to life. Right,
she has never performed CPR and an animal, and she's

(11:24):
been a nurse for twenty one years, I should mention,
so she's a very seasoned nurse. She knows what she's doing.
But she could not in the moment like let this go.
She had to save this poor animal's life. She's a
nurse after all, in an animal lover, so she's like,
I gotta help this little guy.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
So does it start spitting up peaches or something.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
Well, eventually it begins breathing. But she was a little
reluctant because the entire time she was afraid it was
going to like come to and then maybe attack her.
And we know raccoons sometimes have aybs, so she was
concerned about that. The fish and wildlife ended up responding
and took the animal to a local veterinarian who administered

(12:08):
fluids and got the raccoon sober. So it seems this
little guy was drunk in the bottom of the stumpster.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Well, you know, this happens in nature. Sometimes you'll have
like an apple tree or something. I've seen drunk bears.
You know, they'll have you know, that time of year
when all the apples have fallen, her plums or something
like that, and they start kind of rotting and firminging
and naturally, and they'll just munch down on all that
and you know, next thing you know, they're toasted, taking

(12:39):
their shirt off.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Well, comes and her coworkers have decided to name the
little guy ODIs Campbell, after the town drunk character on
The Andy Griffith Show, and the raccoon was later returned
to the parking lot behind the Health Department, where it
was released back into the wild. Perhaps it can go
reunite with its mama and siblings.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Zaki came back from came back from rehab.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Well, it's funny, Dylan that you mentioned the alcoholic the
fermented animals and alcoholic bears. Okay, because a study recently
revealed that chimps consume the equivalent of two alcoholic drinks
per day. Really because they're eating fermented fruit in their
native habitats, and they consume the equivalent of two alcoholic

(13:25):
drinks per day, and this was based on a research team.
They published their findings in the journal Science Advances. They
analyzed twenty one species of fruit regularly eaten by chimps
in Uganda and the Ivory Coast to measure the alcohol content.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
So they're drinking every day.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, wow. Across all sites, male and female chimpanzees are
consuming about fourteen grams, which is a half an ounce
of pure ethanol per day in their diet, which again
is the equivalent to you know, one American drink. So
when you adjust for body weight and all that, because chimps,

(14:05):
you know, can weigh about eighty eight pounds and human
weighs about one hundred and fifty four pounds, that goes
up to two drinks for the chimps.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
Okay, damn. They put a lot of.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Math into this, they did. So there you go.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Now, could you imagine somebody's parents putting them through all
this high falutin school for all these years and that's
what they get out of it. They actually figure out,
they did all the calculations and studying.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Wouldn't you be proud. I'd be proud of I'm proud
of my kid.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
No matter what, and figured out that wild chimps in
baboons or drinking basically every day.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
You know, Dylan, we all of us celebrated the first
time our kid took a poop in the potty. So
you know, we're parents and we'll celebrate all the success.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
Okay, Okay, I like that. You have their back, We got.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Their MinC Now, I'm just curious law enforcement did not
card this chimp. I mean, sorry, this raccoon.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
Clearly he was underage, nor the establishment the dumpster that
served well that raccoon.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Mama. She could follow a civil suit against the distillery.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
There you go, some legal.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Action might happen there. Okay, Dylan, we got a lot
to talk about here today. Do you remember several months
ago we discussed Aaron Patterson, the woman from Australia who
was nicknamed the mushroom Murderer. Oh no, she served her
in laws a meal of beef Wellington laced with poisonous

(15:33):
mushrooms intentionally. Yes, wow, I cannot believe you don't recall this.
This was a huge story and we discussed it.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Honey. I'm sorry, more than once, I don't recall anything.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
I see that. Okay, well, this woman has gone to court.
She's been convicted of killing three of her estranged husband's
relatives with toxic mushrooms. A judge sentenced her to life
in prison with a non parole period of thirty three years.
The sentence on Monday came after a jury found Aaron
Patterson guilty of killing her mother in law and her

(16:07):
father in law, Gail and Donald Patterson, and Gail's sister
Heather Wilkinson, by serving them beef Wellington. This was for
lunch and she had laced it with these death cap mushrooms.
The fifty year old was also convicted of attempting to
murder Wilkinson's husband, Ian, who spent weeks in the hospital,
but he did survive. Patterson's estranged husband, Simon, was invited

(16:31):
but did not attend the July twenty twenty three luncheon
served at her home. She lives about eighty four miles
southeast of Melbourne in a town called Leangtha.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Now, how in the world does she think she was
going to get away with this?

Speaker 1 (16:48):
I don't know, but I remember when this first broke
she claimed that she had bought these mushrooms from some
kind of market.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
Oh, Okay, I see. So her plan was to oh
my gosh, this is a terrible accident.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yes, yes, so she will be eighty one years old
before she can be considered for release.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Damn, what a what a horrible thing to do.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
She'd even like made her own plate, kind of color
coded plate so she would not eat the poisonous mushrooms.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
Oh wow, what a devious person.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
What a devious person. You are absolutely correct. So let's
get into some more stories, Dylan, this is very troubling.
In Kansas City, an elderly worker aged sixty six was
ruthlessly attacked by a teenager who asked so. This elderly
worker asked this teenager to change seats during an NBA

(17:43):
Young Boy concert, and this teenager became so enraged that
he threw this elderly man to the ground and began
attacking him during this concert, while all these people just
kind of stood around and watched the assault unfold and
not not marrying. One of them jumped in or tried
to help. People were just standing around watching and or recording.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
They look, I saw this video. I did catch this one.
He was asking him to he was in the wrong seat.
A fourteen year old kid right is in the wrong seat,
and obviously it's been brought to the usher or whatever
the attendant's attention, and he goes to tell him that,
you know, you need to move to your right section,
and this kid tax him like a frickin animal and

(18:29):
starts waylaying this poor old man. And the people are
just standing around recording, and some you can even hear
basically cheering the kid on. And I just want to
know what the fuck is wrong with you? Why in
the world do you see this? It's I'm sorry, it's
more frequent than it was when I was a kid. Yeah,
I meant most children, young people did not act like that.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
No, not at all. You know why because we got
our asses beat.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
Well, and we had a healthy respect for thought too well.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Yeah, because we got our asses beat.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
And we've talked about this before. Even if it's an adult,
you didn't know a stranger in a store or in
a neighborhood and you were up to, you know, into
some shenanigans and they told you to cut it out
or I'm going to find out who your mom and
dad is. You you listened to them, Yeah, you didn't
start cussing them or try to attack them.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
No, not at all. I don't understand. Well, this elderly
man again was thrown to the ground. His name is
Thomas Schlange. He's sixty six years old, and he was
working at this rap concert at the T Mobile Center
in Kansas City Sunday night when he asked this teenager
to move because the teenager was sitting not in his
assigned seat. And then of course this teen is just

(19:40):
assaulting him until finally a good samaritan helps get the
man to safety, but the elderly man doesn't really remember
much from the assault.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Now, oh my god, Well that right there approves you
there's some type of significant head injury.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yeah. I don't know what is wrong with these kids parents.
I think parenting is a big problem. I don't know
what the fuck y'all doing your kids out there, but
you ain't teaching them right from wrong, and they have
zero respect for authority.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
And simple rules. I mean, why is it so hard
When you buy a ticket it says your signed seat
on it. Dude.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
How many times have we gone to a movie and
someone's sitting in our seat? Yeah, I mean it's really aggravating.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
They are like assigned seating of the movies or something
or a concert or something new for new concept, and
it's not It's been that way for as long as
I can remember.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well, the thing is, people pay a lot of money
for certain seats, right, right, and usually the good seats,
the good sections are more expensive. So if you're going
and sitting there, one that's probably somebody else's seat, and
two like those tickets cost a health a lot more

(21:00):
probably than what you paid, right, So it's just not fair.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
And look, if you are doing that, like trying to
you know, upgrade yourself if you will, and then someone
comes up, Hey, you're in my seat. Oh, I'm sorry,
I made a mistake, you know, and you know what
you're doing. You know it's not your seat. You clear
out and go back to wherever your seat's at, or
you know, get out of the way instead of wanting
to show out like this. It's so ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I don't understand. Well. Police did arrest the teenager
after this violent outburst on Sunday night, and he was
released to his parents. Authorities are still investigating. The teen
is under the age of sixteen, so it's not really
clear what charges the juvenile may face. But this elderly
man was hospitalized with non life threatening injuries. He already

(21:45):
suffered glaucoma and one of his eyes may suffer more damage.
His family says that actually created a GoFundMe page to
help with some of the medical expenses. I mean, this
is just shocking.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yeah, it's crazy, it really is.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
The elderly man has worked two decades on this job
and has never been a victim of such a violent
assault at work, has never imagined that he would be.
I don't know. I mean, the thing is, and this
is what he says, and I totally agree with him.
He says, quote, the message is we as young adults
or people growing into adulthood, we need to learn how
to control our anger. And that's it, Bud. No impulse

(22:24):
control and no, they have a really they're very emotionally immature, right.
They do not know how to control their impulses or
the keep their emotions in Chuck.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
And I also think that both of those things are
very true. But I also think there's an element of
kind of showing out for the internet in a lot
of these cases. And I personally think that kid should
get way more than a slap on the wrist. This
is violence. This isn't breaking a window, you know, or

(22:55):
you know, some stupid property damage from you know, screwing
around with your friends and abandoned lot or This is
not usual kid shenanigans attacking someone violently, And if you
saw the video, Heather, you would be blown away. I
don't want to see it because he flings him down
and he is just going and going, and I would

(23:15):
not stand by. I couldn't stand by and watch this.
If I've seen that, that fourteen year old kid would
have got fucking flunk. I'm sorry, just to like get
off of him. You know, what are you doing? It's crazy.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
See that's the thing though, if another adult stepped in,
then it would be oh, he's a kid. I mean
when you've seen these videos where like groups of teenagers
young people will surround an adult and be attacking the adult,
and if the adult fights back, then the adults the
bad guy, right, because oh gosh, how could you hit

(23:47):
a kid? Well, I'm telling you about it. If a
kid's attacking me, I'm gonna hit that kid back.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
My god, I'm telling you I would kick that kid.
So they would find out a old man's strength adult
strength because they think they're a little bad ass.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
I see you poking a little chest out.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I'm trying to tell you what.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
You stood around like a little rooster weird chest out
ever since you started working out, well, no bench pressing. Look,
you're like really proud of your shoulders and chest. You
just want them to strut around and like chest butt.

Speaker 2 (24:20):
Somebody, look in all seriousness anymore. I can't put my
chest away. I can't.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
That's how I felt all these years too.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
I can't retract it.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Now you understand how I feel. Yeah, these double d's,
I can't put this chest away.

Speaker 2 (24:34):
I feel like I'm leading the feminist movement. You know,
chin up, tits out.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
You know, even when you're trying to like cover these
puppies up. Everything's slutty when you've got double d's, right. Okay,
So we got to talk about this, Dylan, because well
it's a crime story and it's a little little out there.
So the man who was accused of trying to assassinate
President Donald Trump last year at his golf course try

(24:59):
to stab himself the neck on Tuesday after a jury
found him guilty, according to the Associated Press.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, and this is not even about being political, but
I do I get the feeling that this guy seriously
has something wrong with him?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (25:15):
I think he's a whack job.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Well again, it's not about being political. It's just that
it's a crime story and I thought it was quite
odd and we should talk about it.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
No, and everything I've seen about that guy or any
interaction Ryan Routh, yes, he is something. The guy's not right.
And I hope for everyone's protection that he just goes
to jail and is kept away from other inmates, because,
honestly think a guy like this, he's not he's going
to have issues in jail, you know what I mean.
He's just he's not gonna stop.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Well. Rauth was found guilty on all counts in the
September fifteenth, twenty twenty four assassination attempt, during which Trump
was unharmed. Trump was a presidential candidate at the time,
and he had survived a separate attempt on his life
earlier two months earlier in Butler, Pennsylvania.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
You want to hear a little tidbit about this case
you're talking about. They tracked him, They realized for quite
some time he had been kind of scoping the property out.
You know how they figured this out. They followed a
trail of Viena sausage cans.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 3 (26:18):
No, it's true story, man, some little vienas. You gotta
take the trash with you, bud now.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
After the juries exited the courtroom, Ralph attempted to stab
himself in the neck with a pen, and this prompted
Marshalls to drag him out of the courtroom. His daughter
Sarah started screaming, Dad, I love you, don't do anything.
I'll get you out, and then started screaming he didn't
hurt anybody. There was no sign of blood on his
shirt as he was escorted out of the courtroom in shackles.

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Just wild stuff.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I didn't hurt anybody. I didn't get a good shot.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
What I mean, Well, I'm sorry you're.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Hanging out with a gun. I mean, I do what
are you doing again?

Speaker 1 (27:05):
It doesn't matter who the president is. I don't care
if it's Trump or Reagan or Bush or Jimmy Carter,
Bill Clinton. If you try to assassinate a president or
a presidential candidate like, you're gonna go to jail right.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, there's no whay around it.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So you know, I don't know what this deal is like,
we have to let him go. He didn't do anything, well,
you know, he kind of did.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
He couldn't even hurt itself.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
Now, Dylan, this is a story that is going to
warm your heart. Not really so. A South Carolina teaching
assistant was arrested for allegedly releasing fort spray, which cost
fifty five thousand dollars in damage and made students physically sick.
Oh my god, what okay, what the hell is fort Spray?

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Okay, I don't know if it has actual use, but
I've seen people prank each other with it. It's just
usually comes in a little tiny like air, you know,
looks like the little car air freshener bottles, and you
it smells like a really bad fart and you kind
of spray it out. It's kind of like the deer
urned thing that people would do, you know, but I'm
trying to figure out now. I'll tell you. Look, if

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if you want to go laugh after you listen to
this episode, look up people spraying that. You ever see
those inflatable suits people will wear. It looks like a character.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Or something like a dinosaur.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
It's got a little fan going and it's got an
dake bent. People will walk up and either actually really
far in that or spray the spray and it goes
inside the suit, and then the people in the suit
like lose their minds.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
We'll have too much free time.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
It's freaking hilarious watching them thrash around inside those suits.

Speaker 1 (28:43):
Well I'm sure it's not hilarious if you're in the suit.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
No, no, not at all. But I'm trying to figure out, Okay,
this was I don't know if the teacher thought this
was funny.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Well, let's we'll finish. Yeah, I'm just saying, if you'll
let me finish, then we can. Then you can.

Speaker 2 (28:59):
Okay, five thousand dollars in damages? How do you do that?

Speaker 1 (29:02):
Thirty two year old Alexander Lewis allegedly used this spray
multiple times at West Florence High School between the dates
of August twenty fifth and September nineteenth, and it created
this foul odor and caused respiratory issues for some students.
And Florence is located in Florence County, South Carolina. Okay,

(29:24):
it kind of clue it's not too far from the coast, Okay,
so like, what about an hour.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
From the coast or something hot muggy.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yeah, So this man has been arrested for creating this
foul odor at the school. He got the spray from
the Internet and it was designed to quote imitate fecal odor.
Authorities reported that the children required medical attention for respiratory issues,
and the school also had to pay fifty five thousand

(29:52):
dollars in inspection and damage fees for their air conditioning
system as a result of this incident.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
Oh gosh, he.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
Was charged with disturbing schools and malicious injury to property
with a value of over ten thousand dollars. He was
arrested on Saturday the twentieth. Now. According to students, they
reported smelling a strong, gas like odor throughout the school.
It left them feeling nauseous, dizzy, and many of them
suffered headaches. Parents also reported that their kids stayed home

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as a result of the effects of the spray. Kids
are saying that every time they would like go to
certain stairwells or classes, teachers were covering their noses coughing
because of the smell, and like you just couldn't escape it.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh my god, how much did he spray? Well, I mean,
I don't know if he thought this was funny or what.

Speaker 1 (30:44):
But I mean one parent says that her son had
spent about three days in a row with headaches and
that it was very concerning because it's definitely affecting her
child's health.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
Okay, so it's called far at spray, which is gonna
make everybody giggle, but at the end of the day,
it's some kind of weird chemical X Who knows what
in the world's in it to make it smell bad, right,
I mean, there's no telling what's in it, And I
mean this is ridiculous. I just don't understand because look,
I mean, if you sprayed at once here and there,

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it's not going to do all this. No, So I mean,
I don't know if this was intentionally introduced into the
duct work or what. But this guy really took this
way way too far.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
It's very bizarre, very bizarre.

Speaker 2 (31:33):
And I don't know what defense you would have against
this short of well, at least I wasn't molesting them.
Maybe sorry, I.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Mean, I mean, you make a valid point. Dylan. Moving along,
since we love to talk about Murder Beach, South Carolina,
Florence isn't too far from Murder Beach, A twenty nine
year old woman remains in jail in Horry County, accused
of shooting a man who refused to pay for sex.
According to arrest one.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Now, me and you discussed this case just a little
bit when you saw it the other the other day,
and I hadn't mixed feelings, because who are you to
not pay the prostitute for sex right for services rendered?
I think you should.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
You make a deal.

Speaker 2 (32:20):
You make a deal, you stick to it, and if
you don't, you might get shot by a prostitute.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Murdle Beach police arrested Kelsey Lynn Miller on Thursday. This
was last week Thursday, by the way, after the shooting
at the Polynesian Ocean Front Hotel. She's charged with attempted murder, prostitution,
possession of a controlled substance, and possession of a weapon
during the commission of a violent crime. So around three
forty am on Thursday, officers responded to the one thousand

(32:50):
block of South Ocean Boulevard after getting a shot Spotter
alert about gunfire in the area. Now. Shot Spotter is
a sensor based system that detects gunshots in real time
and alert's law enforcement oh my God, which is awesome,
but it's also a little scary that you need that
in a vacation town.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
It's scary that you had to spend I'm sure that's
not a cheap system. And you had to go to
those lens to track gunshots in a beachtown.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
Now, according to Warrence, Miller and the man had been
communicating on Reddit, Telegram, and via text message. They had
agreed to meet at this motel, and once they were
inside the motel room, she asked, but where my money? Now,
She's asked where money was?

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh, she's getting paid up front, right, She's like Rihanna.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
She's like, bitch, better have my money. And the man
told her I don't have enough money and I'm not
going to pay you for sex. And she said, well,
if you don't give me my money, I'll go get
my man.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
Oh she threatened to go get the pimp.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Yeah. As the man turned to leave, the warrant said,
Miller shot him at point blank rage arrange, in the
tricep area of his left arm. When officers arrived, they
the man with an improvised tourniquet on his upper left
arm and he had blood on his hands. He was
taken to the hospital We don't really have any information

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about his condition, but I'm assuming it's not life threatening, right,
non life threatening injury?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Oh my god, he was using the condom as a tourniquet.
I bet. Look, so this guy, Okay, you're participating in
the black market. This is what this is. Be it drugs,
be it sex for seal And so you already were
going to have some kind of a problem if you
didn't have I'm sure process had been discussed. You don't

(34:38):
have the money. What are you doing? And now imagine
if he's sneaking around on his family or wife or
now she's gonna know girlfriend.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Now you don't explain that shit.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Now you've called up in a case where you and
you've done been shot, and how are you going to
explain that? And now the story's everywhere.

Speaker 1 (34:55):
I just don't know how you make plans to meet
up with a prostitute and and refuse to pay them,
because what do you think is gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (35:03):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (35:04):
She's not gonna have sex with you, right, No, Oh,
her money. She's there for the money.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
And she may get mad. And I'm not saying what
she did was right. Well, no, it wasn't at all.
But I mean this is you're just asking for trouble.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Yeah, anytimes you're dealing with pemps and shit, Yeah, dangerous stuff.
I watch a lot of Soft White Underbelly on YouTube.
I know about pimps and hoes.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Oh yeah, they're still doing it. They're still pimping in
Hoe and.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Some people be pimping all around the world.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
They go in the circuit.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
Pimping's gotten. It's like jes Sudden Call days. Now, you know,
you be pimping in all these cities, you be flying around.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
They go work the track in all these different areas.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Yeah, it's like a whole thing. If you don't watch
Soft White Underbelly, I recommend it. But it's not for
the we carted, right. I mean, some of the subject
matter is pretty intense.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
It's not going on tour.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
But it is very interesting stuff with your.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Genitals what, Yeah, the pimp tracks or the tracks.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
I think I would make a girl. I've always wanted
to be a madam in illegal brothel. I think I
could really run a tight ship.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
I would be a I would be.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
A savvy businesswoman.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
I'd be a compassionate pimp.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
You would, Yeah, you'd be a nice pimp.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Yeah, I would only punch him in the stomach and
the top of the head. So and lead bruises.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
What's wrong with you? You're ridiculous. Somebody's gonna take that out
of context one day.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
Oh okay, It's like.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
When I said I would hit a kid that was
attacking me.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And I said I would kick.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna get canceled, dude, Okay, I
can't be saying stuff like that. Apparently, all right, So,
during the investigation, officers found eight pills that they determined
to were suboxen and a white powder that tested positive
for fentanyl. They also arrested a second person in connection
with the case, but they have not released that person's name.

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Miller is being held without bond at the Jay Rubin
Long Detentions.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Now, let me ask you a serious question. When it
comes to something like prostitution, which I think to consenting
adults should actually have be able to agree to a
transactional situation for sex. I think, I mean, it's their bodies, right,
And then they'll say, well, you know it's a but
it's illegal and I've said it before until you make

(37:23):
and oh what if they're cheating on their wife.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Or you know, look, I'm not here to make moral
decisions right for these people.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Well, I'm saying if I go, if I get caught
going to a prostitute trying to pay her for sex,
they can arrest me for you know, solicitation or whatever
and take me to jail. But if I boone the
girl at my office, you can't arrest me. You see
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Now, I was just thinking the same thing.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
So unless you criminalize the other, then how are you
criminalizing this one thing? Okay? But some of the people
who are doing this, the sex workers for instance, they're
often you know, are they all victims is what I'm
trying to ask, or are they simply choosing? You know,

(38:10):
Oftentimes you'll be like, well, you know, they're from broken
homes and they got a crippling drug addiction, this and that,
which is probably true in many cases. But I mean
there's also about it's their personal choice, you know what
I mean.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
Well, yeah, you have what people would call like the
high end escorts, right that are charging you know, two
thousand dollars an hour.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
That's crazy, and they're paying.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
Their way through you know, medical school or something, right.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Yeah, But I mean maybe they just like that easy money,
which I don't think it's easy, but I guess it's
fast money.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Well they do. I mean, I've watched many a documentary
on sex work. I do find it interesting the way
brothels are ran in foreign countries. You know, it's not
uncommon to have brothels in Europe that are legal, you know,
And it's interesting, I guess to see that the ways
that sex work operates, like in a legal brothel versus

(39:08):
like street work versus people who are you know, using
the internet, and the people willing, you know, the workers
who are willing to take twenty dollars versus the worker
who's like, hmmm, you're gonna pay me two thousand dollars
to show up, right right. I mean, so it's definitely
a spectrum. But I think I agree with you, Dylan.

(39:31):
I believe it should be legalized, and I think that
way it's regulated, it's taxed. Your workers are safe, they're
in a safe environment.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Most of their earnings, they're.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Able to keep most of their earnings. They're not on
the streets. Again, I think just safety wise, they're paying taxes,
being tested. I mean, all the things that should happen,
and then you're eliminating the pimp. And I often wonder
if that would cut down on sex trafficking.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Right, because there'd be no market.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
Right if it's legalized. Yeah, I mean there probably would
still be a market, but I'm just saying I think
it could possibly cut out some of that. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Well, no, I mean you can honestly make a direct
core comparison to marijuana in states where it's illegal, right,
there still are illegal markets, but they're much smaller, obviously
because people have the option of buying buying it legally.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Well, now, oftentimes people who are buying it illegally, it's
because they're buying it from the legal market, like someone
is going to Colorado and picking up the product and
bringing it and selling it.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Right. But see, you can't do that, right with a
sex worker.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You can't bring them from Colorado.

Speaker 2 (40:49):
And well you can't go buy sex and then go
pass it off somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
Cross Yeah, you're not supposed to cross state lines.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
Do you remember that the Bunny Ranch on HBO, Yeah,
those girls were making like a year.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
Well do you remember Dolly Parton's Best Little Whorehouse in Texas? Well, yeah,
that chicken ranch. I mean she was you know, them
girls wasn't allowed to have tattoos. They couldn't put their
elbows on the table.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
Oh god, they had to use manners. It was respectable, guy,
It was respectable.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
No. I remember that there was the Cat House. It
was like the HBO docu.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Series, Yeah, with that greasy guy Dennis. Yeah, and everybody's like, oh,
we love Dennis, and it's like, no, you don't. You're
just you know, dealing with him so you can work
at this legal brothel in Nevada or whatever. But no,
but I think it really proved your point about they're safer,
they're constantly tested, which is better for everybody, including the customers.

(41:50):
And uh, they're in a you know, controlled environment with
protection security, and there's like.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
A menu that they roll out. Yeah, and it's everything
is negotiated like upfront, so you don't have to worry
about how you're gonna get paid or who's gonna pay
you or if you're gonna get paid.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
Yeah, it's and it's not cheap at all. It's not, no,
not from the process. I was hearing them though, I don't.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Remember really, oh yeah, because that was just twenty years ago.
But not Okay, interesting, right, So craziness at Myrtle Beach
and then Dylan, this brings us to an Asheville, North
Carolina story, because honestly, this is another story that's just
like kind of mind blowing. A man is charged with

(42:33):
murder after a woman was found dead inside a vehicle
along Interstate twenty six early Tuesday, September twenty third. Police
say forty one year old Kenneth Lontreil Christian is charged
with first degree murder after officers found fifty year old
Carle Elizabeth Johnson dead in a vehicle along twenty six.
This was just before Exit thirty three, known as Brevard Road.

(42:57):
Officers responded to a report of a disabled feat vehicle
around three twenty three am when they discovered the female
passenger deceased, having suffered quote a serious assault. Damn Ashville
Police Captain Joe Silberman described the scene as grizzly. He
says it wasn't just a disabled vehicle, but the woman
was badly assaulted and that there was a man on

(43:18):
the scene too. The mail driver, who was identified as Christian,
was taken into custody after some negotiations with officers. They
believe the assault occurred around that vehicle. They believe it
was a tool from inside the vehicle that was used,
and they do believe they have the right suspect and
custody at the present time, Dawn.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
So he's literally called red handed man. It's too bad
they didn't get there before he assaulted this poor girl.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
Well, from what I have learned, you know, from the internet,
she was an enrolled member. She was an Eastern Band
of Cherokee Indians, so she was an enrolled member. And
I'm curious about what this tool was like. So a
tool inside the car, I mean that makes me it
was like a tyron or something, or a jack. I
mean that's pretty fucking horrible.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean, whatever it was, it was obviously not good.
And I just it makes you wonder what led up
to this and what's wrong with this person who's going
to beat a poor woman to death right there on
the side of the road.

Speaker 1 (44:23):
Yeah, And that's a very well traveled road, very busy,
and that exit, the Brevard Road exit is a very
busy exit off of twenty six.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
It makes me wonder if someone did indeed see something,
They're not sure what was going on to draw their
attention enough to call and say, hey, y'all need to
check out this car on the side of the road.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
Absolutely wild. This marks the fourth homicide that the Ashville
Police Department has investigated so far this year. Now, Dylan,
we need to discuss David or four.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
No, it's David. Yeah, that's what they're saying.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
The TikTok Sensation singer. There was a body that has
now been identified as Celeste Rivas found in the trunk
of his vehicle, his impounded Tesla right right. The fifteen

(45:25):
year old girl was discovered in his Tesla trunk and
she's been released to her family for memorial services. The
County Corner confirmed that her body was released to her
relatives on September twenty third, and the news comes shortly
after Riva's family spoke about her death. They organized to
go fund me. She was a beloved daughter, sister, cousin,

(45:48):
and friend, so they're trying to raise money for her funeral.
This is a very strange case. So far, no one
has been arrested. Robbery Homicide Division of the lap D
served a search warrant at thirteen hundred Doheeny Place in
La in connection with the death. This is the home

(46:08):
reportedly associated with David. That's the Hollywood Hills address where
he's been staying. They took several items of evidence. They're
going to be analyzed in the coming days. Investigators are
falling up on multiple leads. What's interesting to me, though,
is okay, so he's not been arrested. They're not saying

(46:31):
he's a suspect.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Some reports claim on the internet, not not verified by me,
that they've said he's not a suspect.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
He's fully cooperating with authorities.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Here's my thing, though, if any of us, me, you,
any of our listeners, the common delay person, right, somebody
finds a dead body in the trunk of our car,
do you think we're still going to be walking around
like la la la. I just don't think that that's
gonna happen. If a dead body is found in the

(47:07):
trunk of my car.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
Now, it makes me wonder, maybe we'll find this out
here next week or very soon, because I'm sure her
family wants answers. I mean, here's this poor fifteen year
old girl dead in the trunk of a car. I mean,
that's just a terrible, terrible way to find have your
loved when found, maybe they know something we don't. Maybe

(47:29):
they have a lead on another suspect or but if
they're building a case before they grab him and charge him,
you know, we've heard of that before as well. But
as many people pointed out, he has money, he has
a passport. You know what, how is that not considered
a flight risk? Right?

Speaker 1 (47:50):
He was on tour. I believe he had to cancel
his tour dates or he's chosen to cancel the tour.

Speaker 2 (47:54):
Dates, right, So I mean that's very very strange, and
I'd be in and see how this plays out. Not
to mention.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
The other aspect which I feel like media is failing
to discuss is the fact that she's very much a minor. Yeah,
he's a grown man. She's been a runaway, she's been missing,
and there's some evidence that she was living with him.
He had a song that was I guess unreleased, but

(48:23):
people have like found it or something that he talks
he's singing about Celeste. They have these matching tattoos, yeah,
I know.

Speaker 2 (48:32):
And supposedly she had was a home and then gone
for like, you know, a month or more, and then
recovered by authorities, brought back home and then disappeared again.
So I get your point. If he's admitted to any
type of relationship with this girl, why are you not
getting him on statutory rape charges at least? Yeah, because

(48:54):
something some Definitely, I think there's no way around that.
It seems something inappropriate certainly happened between him and.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
This girl, right, I mean, and from my understanding, she
first started to run away when she was like thirteen. Yeah,
you know, so she was very much a child running
away and she's still very much underage and he's an adult.
And I just think that's really shady. And why are
we not talking about that? Because he's a predator?

Speaker 2 (49:26):
Yeah, I know, it's not okay, it's gross. And these kids,
you know, and sometimes they're escaping horrific homes and sometimes
they're just hard headed and don't want to listen.

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Yeah, sometimes they're groomed by a creep.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
And sometimes they're groomed by a creep and you know,
convinced to leave the protection of their loved ones in
their home. But it always makes me sad when I
hear about young people that do this, because they're opening
themselves up to so much danger. They they're they're just
wide eyed and they just don't they don't know what

(50:04):
kind of situations they can find themselves in, and it's
is a very sad thing.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
It is a very sad thing. So let's end our
episode alone by discussing a California man who spent thirty
eight years in prison for a crime he didn't commit,
was just awarded twenty five million dollars, marking the largest
wrongful conviction settlement in state history, per the Associated Press,
how much twenty five million dollars damn. Maurice Hastings was

(50:33):
wrongfully convicted in the nineteen eighty three sexual assault and
murder of ROBERTA. Widemeier. So this has been like a
decade's long battle. Of course, he says that no money
could ever restore the thirty eight years of his life
that was stolen from him. But you know, he's really
hoping that this settlement can help him move on with

(50:56):
his life. He's got a long road ahead of him.
Thirty eight years in a long.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Time, plus most of your adult life.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
So in eighty three, Wiermeier was found shot in the
head with evidence of sexual assault. Hastings was convicted and
sentenced to life in prison without parole, despite biological evidence
collected at the time of the autopsy. He requested DNA
testing in two thousand, but the LA District Attorney's office

(51:23):
denied it. Hastings submitted a formal claim of innocence to
the DA's Conviction Integrity Unit in twenty twenty one. DNA
testing later confirmed that the semen did not match Hastings,
but instead matched Kenneth Pacnet, a convicted felon who had
committed a similar crime involving an armed kidnapping and sexual assault.

(51:44):
Pacnik had been arrested just weeks after a Witermeer's death
for an unrelated car theft. During this time, police found
jewelry and a coin purse matching items belonging to Wiermeer,
but he was never investigated for the murder and died
in prison in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
So, how in the world do you bring a case
against someone and not test the biological matter found during
the autopsy? Make that make sense?

Speaker 1 (52:13):
Well, I mean, at the time, I guess in eighty
three there wasn't a testing, But I don't understand why.
When DNA and forensics advanced, why would a destrict attorney
deny testing these items. It seems to me that you
would want to test it, to prove you have the
right person behind ours.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
We see this a lot, and I really do think
it's a monetary thing. They don't and they don't want
to admit that they were wrong. Right, they got that conviction.
You know, it looks good on their record. They always say,
we have the right person. We know we have the
right person, and they are reluctant to do anything that
may jeopardize that very point. And it also opens up

(52:53):
people to this very thing, you know, runfl incarceration suits or.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Whatever you call it, which we're talking about the cost
of testing DNA. Well, you just had to pay twenty
five million dollars. So you know that twenty five million
dollars that you're going to pay this guy could go
a long way to exonerating some inmates and testing DNA
rape kits.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Yeah, I don't understand it. I don't understand it. I
just don't that that should be They should want to
make sure they got the right person right. It shouldn't
just be about a victory or a conviction percentage, or
ego or getting reelected the next term or any of that.
It should be about justice.

Speaker 1 (53:35):
In twenty twenty two, Hastings conviction was vacated at the
request of prosecutors and his attorneys. A judge declared him
quote factually innocent in twenty twenty three, meaning the evidence
conclusively proved he did not commit this crime.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Stoleman's entire life of youthful years from him.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
His attorneys say that he is now living in southern
California and is active in his church.

Speaker 2 (54:01):
You know that money's not going to get I mean, gosh,
all that time, and not only.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
That, even half this man's life.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
All your youthful years, yeah, your twenties, your thirties, and
the money doesn't replace that time that you lost. I mean,
it might help a little bit in the end, but
I just could you imagine spending all those years and
days in prison for something you truly didn't commit.

Speaker 1 (54:28):
No, it's terrible.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
This is like a living night a waking nightmare.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Well, it's an injustice that affects all of us because
we each and every one of us trust in our
justice system. We trust injury of our peers. We're trusting
in evidence, and not just physical evidence. I mean, you know,
we're trusting in all the things. And it just goes

(54:53):
to show that, honestly, any of us could be accused
of a crime and found guilty.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
You really can't really terrifying. You really can. If you have, say,
not so great defense attorney, and you have a good prosecution,
a good prosecutor who just presents well in court and
all that, you can very easily end up, you know,
convicted of something you didn't do. And once that convictions
laid down, it is very very hard to get it reversed.

(55:23):
I mean, we've seen it before where there's actually not
just a sentiment that you might be guilty, but you
start getting pieces of fact and evidence, and still still
they don't want to let go of that. And you know,
sometimes you'll see it keeps going in front of the
same judges or inside of a state and you're not

(55:45):
getting any help. And once it gets outside of that area,
they very quickly, you know, say a federal court or
something like that, and they find in your favor. And
I just I don't think that's right. I really think
there should be some kind of truly objective committee or
system that's like another layer in our justice system. And

(56:05):
I know we've got appeals, appell at courts and things
like that, but sometimes you can't even get past that
first step to be allowed to move on up the
ladder right, Because true, these people, some of these people,
and it's a tough job they do. Some of them
will not admit when they're wrong. Even after it all
comes out, they'll still say, oh, you know, they just

(56:27):
try to play it off.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Which brings me to our exciting new series, our new
Patreon series. We are going to be doing the deepest
dive on the West Memphis three case.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I cannot wait.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
It's going to be a multi part series on Patreon.
There are going to be, like I said, multi part episodes.
We are going to get down to the nitty gritty.
We are going to be examining every aspect of this
case and really breaking it down for you. It's a
case that is fascinating me for a long time. I
know you have been interested in this case, and you

(57:09):
know it's a case that I think divides people. I
still see a lot of folks online who are like,
they're guilty as hell, these boys did it, They're so guilty,
and then you have this camp of what are you
talking about, They're innocent. So we're going to break it
all down. But as you mentioned, just these lawyers and judges.

(57:31):
I mean, you really can go to prison based on
zero evidence.

Speaker 2 (57:36):
You can, And look, I know what you are. Some
of our listeners may be thinking, oh, really, the West
Memphis three, you know, blah blah blah saw that you know,
decades ago, And I've seen all kinds of stuff online.
I've got to tell you, Heather's very excited about this.
She's digging deeper than ever in her true Heather fashion.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
I'm reading like three books right now. I have already
got documentaries.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
I've already learned more than one new aspect of this case,
if you will, and it will blow you away. And
we're also into some degree going to go into what
was the Satanic Panic, because I really do think even
though it began many years before this and this was

(58:22):
kind of the tail end of the Satanic Panic, I
really do think that that played a role in this case.
Oh absolutely, the attitude, certainly, the assumptions made about people
who are different or weird.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
Well, with this case, Dylan, it is one of those
where it becomes difficult to separate fact from fiction.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
A lot of times you have a lot of rumors
that are unsubstantiated, but somehow seem to be I guess
just sort of in the air floating around that people
think these rumors are true. So again, it's difficult with
this case to separate what's fact and what's fiction. So

(59:04):
we're gonna break it all down for you. I mean, honestly,
this is going to be the deepest dive on this case.
You're gonna learn so much. So if you're interested, you
want to check us out at my patreon dot com
slash Mountain Murders podcast. You can join for the cost
of a cup of coffee. You can and get all
of the bonus material ad free episodes. And you're not

(59:26):
gonna want to miss this because I'm telling you, bro,
it's wild out cheer, you know.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
And to the people who already lovely enough to support
us there at Patreon patrons, get ready. This is going
to be a hoot. It's we don't even not even
sure how many parts it's going to have. It's going
to be some great discussions and we cannot wait to
get started.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
We're also going to be attending the Carolinas Horror Fest.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
It's not too far away, don't we Oh my gosh,
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
The Carolina's Horror Fest is a Horror Convention. It's going
to be located in Asheville, North Carolina, on October fourth
of twenty twenty five. They're gonna feature horror guests, exhibitors,
and they're even having a cosplay contest. Dylan.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Yeah, and if you come by, their main attraction is
the fact that you can meet Mountain Murders.

Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Mountain Murders will be attending the Carolina's Horror Fest. We're
gonna have some goodies, some stickers, not only from Mountain Murders,
but from some of our other Dark Cast Network podcasts
to hand out to our listeners and to the folks
who want to come by and meet us. It's gonna
be October fourth at the Haywood Park Hotel in Ashville
from ten am to five pm. Admission is twenty dollars,

(01:00:38):
but kids under Levin can get in for free.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
And I was just kidding about us being built as
a main attraction, but we would love love to meet
some fellow horror true crime fans, so you know you
might be going anyway. If you are, I can't wait
to see you, and we're gonna wap it up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
We're getting to I mean, this is really cool. Dylan
we're gonna have There's gonna be comic books, movies, horror guests, toys, posters, apparel,
horror candy, jewelry, makeup. I mean, and they're also gonna
have a roster of horror industry professionals and fandom related celebrities.
They're gonna have meet and greets. I mean, this is

(01:01:17):
gonna be a show you do not want to miss.
If you are anywhere near Ashville, you should come out
and spend the day. Some of the guests include Paul T. Taylor,
who played Pinhead. Oh my gosh, I'm hell raiser Judgment. Yes,
actor Tony Moran, who is the og Michael Myers from Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
The Original, the Original.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
Oh my god, I'm so excited because Halloween is definitely
one of my faves.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, it's got to be in most I would say
most horror fans. Top five, maybe top three, surely right.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
We're gonna have the screen girls Leonora Skelfo and Nancy
and Ritter author and writer Nancy Collins. She has written
Swamp Thing At, the Vampirella series and other horror novels.
We're getting actor James Stokes Varnus, who I guess is

(01:02:07):
in some of the Jason Vorhees. He's played Jason Vorhees
a time or two.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Oh my god, we got Michael Myers there. We got
Jason Vorhees and pinheads.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
You're gonna have some horror panels. That's gonna be cool.
Of course, all the vendors. You have to love to
go to these things just so I can get myself
some cool gear.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Oh yeah, you'll see t shirts. You see so many
creative people and that have a shared love for something.
Any convention or con you go to is so great
to see people come together like that and just be
amongst people like them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
And I'm also really excited for the costplay. I love
cost players. I wish I was good at it. I'm
not great at making costumes and stuff like that, but
I admire people who really get into it. And I'm
just super thrilled to see what people show up like.
I can't wait to see what people are dressing like.

Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
But I'm really good at taking pictures with very talented people.

Speaker 1 (01:03:01):
There you go, there, you go. Well, my Murders, We're
not only going to be there, but we're going to
do some live streams. We'll be broadcasting some from the event.
We're gonna have a lot of pictures. So if you
come by our table, say hi, introduce yourself. Maybe we'll
get a selfie with you and post it on our
social media's. Maybe on the ground, you never know.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
You'll have to use the wide angle lens from my
head for his chest and my chest.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Maybe if you come by, Dylan, we'll let you touch
his chest.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
I'll let you poke it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:27):
I'll let you gently touch it. He doesn't want you
to hurt your hand.

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
You can hit me, but you have to sign a
release form first.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
We don't want you to break your hand, right, just
gingerly caress him.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
Oh right, okay, hey, yeah, I'll bring some didiol.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
Oh god, I didn't know it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
We'll have a horror off, a horror off, a horror off.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
A horror off.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
No, that's what it sounds like to me, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
So untrained ear it sounds like a horror off.

Speaker 2 (01:04:02):
And we got the spooky month about We got one
more episode, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
We have our episode that will be coming out next week.
That will be our final episode for September, featuring like
back to school crimes. Got a very interesting case for you.
It's one that I actually I was not aware of
this case, so I'm eager to discuss it with you. Dylan.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Oh, I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (01:04:25):
Yeah, I think it's gonna be a good discussion. And
then we will be heading into October where we will
have horror movie midweeks.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
That's gonna be a We'll be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Taking cases that true true stories, cases that have been
turned into movies, and we'll be discussing like how they
translate from real life to screen, the details of the
real like the real life story, and then we'll talk
a little bit about the horror film and how it's portrayed.
So I think that's gonna be fun.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
Okay, So I can't wait. We better let everybody get
take a nap because we got so much to do.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Okay, sure, all right, bye bye