Faith Hedgepeth

In September 2012, 19- year old Faith Hedgepeth- a bright, driven UNC Chapel Hill student- was found brutally murdered in her off-campus apartment. For nearly a decade, the case baffled investigators, haunted her family, and shook the college town. Then in 2021, a long awaited arrest brought new answers-but also new questions. Who killed Faith? And why? Mountain Murders revisits the crime, theories, and twists in one of North Carolina's most heartbreaking unsolved mysteries turned cold case breakthrough. 


Hosts Heather and Dylan 
Intro music by Joe Buck Yourself
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No, everybody's normal in my eyes, but we're all wacky.
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All right, Dylan, are you ready to get into today's case.
This is one of those that I have had on
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this is the part. See, we're doing a podcast, Dylan,
And this is the part where I say something and
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That's what makes the show spicy and interesting.

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I know.

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No, I'm here with you, and uh, I cannot wait
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or thinking about this for some time. Huh.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I've wanted this for some time, Dylan. Oh, I've wanted
to be in this moment with you right here, right now.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Is that Richard Marks from my whole life? No, but
it could be.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Is that Brian Adams? I don't know right here right now?
What's in the world Waco from history?

Speaker 2 (06:08):
That is?

Speaker 3 (06:09):
That is not Richard Marx or Brian Adams. Okay, all right,
that's Jesus Jones.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Is it Jesus Jones?

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Yeah? Oh one hit wonder. All right, Dylan, let's get
into today's episode because you are already getting on my
nerves and we just started.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And that is the magic, folks, all right?

Speaker 3 (06:30):
If yes, sure it is? Yeah, keep yes, just keep
keep that momentum up, Dylan. Faith Danielle Hedgepeth was born
September twenty sixth of nineteen ninety two in Warrington, North Carolina.
It's appearance Ronald and Connie the hedge Paths are members
of the hallelah Sapony Native American tribe. The tribe is

(06:52):
recognized by the state of North Carolina, but not by
the federal government, although there are around five thousand members
of this tribe.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And you were telling me this is not an uncommon situation,
right to have a tribe recognized by a state but
not the federal government, right, I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:13):
It's I don't think it's super uncommon. And we've already
had discussions previously on episodes in regards to the Lumbee
tribe out of Robison County, North Carolina, and they are
one of those tribes that is state recognized but not
federally And there's certain stipulations. I guess a tribe must

(07:34):
kind of meet like certain criteria to become federally recognized, Okay,
And I know, like for the Lumbee, it's because like
they don't have an official language, and maybe there are
certain cultures or traditions that have not been like well
documented over the years kind of thing. I don't know. Again,
I'm not really sure if that's what's the deal with

(07:57):
the helle Wassa pony tribe.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
No, because I actually have never heard of this tribe
and I've lived in North Carolina most of my life.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, I know, right, So that's interesting. I was curious.
I'll kind of want to learn more about these folks.
So Faith with the youngest of four children. It has
been reported that Faith's father had a drug problem when
she was born, and just a year after this, her
parents divorced. The children lived primarily with their mother, Connie,

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and since Faith was the youngest, she was cared for
by her older siblings, especially an older sister. She's the
baby of the family. And you know what that means, Dylan,
She's probably gonna be babied.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Oh yeah, that's the way it goes.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
It seems like the youngest is always the baby, right.
Growing up, Faith did well in school. She participated in
a number of clubs and extracurricular activities, including cheerleading. She
earned a prestigious scholarship, the Gates Millennium Scholarship, to attend
the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. The Gates

(09:06):
Millennium scholars Program is an academic scholarship award and program
for higher education. It's available to high achieving ethnic minority
students in the United States. It was established in nineteen
ninety nine and funded by Microsoft founder Bill Gates through
the Bill in Melinda Gates Foundation. So not only is

(09:28):
she receiving this scholarship, but I mean she's attending Carolina.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Chapel UNC baby, which is a.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Pretty h I guess, a well known school, very reputable.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
I would call it prestigious.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Prestigious, that's right.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
Yeah, yeah, I know, a well known school. It's a
really good college, really good college. You've had a lot
of people going to do great things coming from Chapel
UNC each Apple Hill, right, like Michael Jordans, I mean,
you know, not playing sports, doctors and such.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm saying, Oh, I'm Jay's from Carolina.

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Who yeah, I know we saw his restaurant, but it's
closed now.

Speaker 3 (10:15):
Actually, your mom the other day text to say that
the Duke Carolina game was happening and Michael Jordan was there,
I guess as a guest.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
At my mom's house.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
At your mom's house. He actually come over because your
mama had made him some like chicken and rice. Okay,
Now she was saying he was in attendance at this game,
and of course Bill Belichick, who is now the Tar
Hills football coach.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, well, I mean it's obvious why he went from
the NFL to college sports so he could be near
his girlfriend. Why.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Yes, it's so funny, gosh comedy gold Dylan AnyWho, your
mama saying it was quite chaotic. There were a lot
of news helicopters doing flyovers and there was no parking,
and I guess people were trying to park on her
street to get to the game.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
Oh, I'm sure, I don't even.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Know whole miles away.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yeah, it's you know, that stadium's right there downtown basically,
and there really isn't a lot of room around it,
so I don't know how they get everyone in and
out of there.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
Right, Yeah, it's crazy, okay, Dylan so AnyWho. Ronald Faith's
father had attended UNC Chapel Hill, but he didn't graduate.
So it's natural for a lot of times children wanting
to kind of follow in their famili's footsteps, their parents' footsteps,

(11:44):
and maybe attend the same college if your parents were
on alumnus or whatever. So Faith wanted to be the
first person in her family to graduate from college, which
is a huge achievement. Yeah, that's something to be very
proud of. Yeah, I agree, And it's a good goal
to have right now.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
It's a great goal. And you know, it's a lot
of families, you know that, it's just you know, expected
you go to college, your mom, dad did, and all
your brothers and sisters do. But then sometimes, like in
her situation, that's not maybe the path people typically take.
And I think that's something you should be very proud
of if you're able to accomplish that.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Faith was undecided between two majors. She was looking at
education or medical school because she had wanted to be
a pediatrician. And I think this speaks to Faith's character.
Seems like she really wanted to help people and that
she wanted to work with children or young people, right,

(12:46):
And I think in either of those positions, it takes
a very special person to be an educator and or
be a pediatrician.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, well, it sounds like she wants to give back
as well as pursuer career exactly.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Faith was described as a great student. She had success
at UNC during her freshman and sophomore years. In spring
of twenty twelve, Faith decided to take the semester off.
She needed a little bit of a break from school.
And I think a lot of folks understand this. It
can be really overwhelming. It's your first time away from home.

(13:25):
Typically you're living in a dorm with maybe people you're
not so familiar with, You're lonely, you're homesick, you're inundated
with schoolwork. There's just a lot of pressure. So, you know,
I think sometimes students do end up maybe taking breaks

(13:45):
like this because it can be challenging. And really, I mean,
you know, college is hard.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
Well yeah, and it depends on work, depending on your degree,
you have a heavy class load, and I'm sure it is.
And I don't see anything wrong with a student deciding
to take a semester off.

Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah, it doesn't really hurt anything, right, I think it
could be healthy. Well, yeah, so she's just kind of
like resting, recovering, gearing up for the next semester. She
remained in Chapel Hill through the spring and into the
summer months. Faith was staying temporarily in an off campus
apartment at the Hawthorn at the View. These apartments were
nestled between Chapel Hill and Durham North Carolina, home of

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Duke University.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
The rivals of the Tar Hills Boo. I would say,
Heather disagrees. Quite possibly the biggest rivalry in college sports.

Speaker 3 (14:40):
That's only your opinion because you're from North Cakilaki, all right.
I think there are other schools who have equal or
bigger rivalries.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
It's possible.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Look at Tennessee and Alabama.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Okay, you might be right.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
Those folks who yell roll Tide, they yell at really loudly.
And if you go to ut it's a sea orange.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
So I don't know they got some avid fans.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
I'm just saying big rivalry between Carolina and Duke, as
we just mentioned. And I should also bring this up.
We've recently covered a case that was in Durham, North Carolina,
and we addressed a bit of the violent crime in
that city. But in twenty twenty three, Durham was ranked
sixth as one of the most violent cities in the country.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
The sixth most violent city in the country. Yeah, so
that means it's behind all the big cities basically, right, Well,
that's what I saw. I mean, would you imagine.

Speaker 3 (15:40):
That was one of crime like stats from twenty twenty
three is just what I'm telling you.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Well that that kind of blows me away. I mean
that speaks volumes. I think.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Well, I bring it up simply because these apartments are
between Chapel Hill and Durham, and Durham is known as
a violent place. And I would say that I find
these two towns or you know, city, I guess Chapel
Hill's a town and Durham's more of a city. You know,
being this closely, being so close to one another close proximity,

(16:11):
are vastly different, right. You know, Chapel Hill is full
of these incredibly crunchy grooves, elitist liberal types, right right.
And then Durham is a bit more blue collar, gritty.
There is the crime, you have a lot of homeless population,

(16:34):
there's the streets.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Yeah, yeah, no, they are quite different. Just we lived there,
or we stayed there, visit there, you know a few
quite often. But you can definitely tell a significant difference
when you travel from one place to the next.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right, So you're gonna get your like organic oat milk
latte in Chapel Hill, but then you're going to drive
into Durham and lock your doors because you could get
shot at the intersection. And carjacked.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Well, yeah, it sounds like the statistics may back that up.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Here's my thing about Dylan. We got to talk about this.
So we do not live in the most safe city.
We live in a pretty dangerous city right now. That's
because I'm here, like you have a one in sixty
seven one in sixty seven chants of being the victim
of a violent crime. In the city where we live,
there's a lot of gun violence here. And Dylan, for

(17:30):
whatever reason, loves to roll the window down. And he
always does this in the car at like two in
the morning or after midnight, like when we're coming back
from a late movie or we've been out to the clurb.
And by clurb, I mean like the dive bar honky
Tonk where we just sang some George Jones at karaoke.

(17:53):
So here's Dylan and he always wants to smoke and
roll the window. I'm smoking now, Dylan, your damn why I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Smo one on would be smoking in the car if
you were in there.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
I've seen you do it. So you just lie all
the damn time. That's a real problem. You need to stop. Okay,
nobody likes a liar, and I will say to you, Dylan,
you should probably roll the window up because we live
in an unsafe area where there's a lot of violent crime.
You could get car jacked. And you just laugh at me,

(18:22):
like I'm a fool every time I say this. But
then I'll show you day after day news articles where
someone in our area has been killed, right, like you know,
drive bys and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:35):
Yeah, But I just can't get you to wrap this
concept of like maybe I should not have my window
down at two in the morning in this sketchy area.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Well, here's the thing. I can see that there's no
one around, so I mean there's.

Speaker 3 (18:49):
No you know, a lot of people think that and
then all of a sudden they have a big fucking
gun in their face.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I could see people running up to me. So I'm
just saying, I'm using my eyes. Yeah, I like fresh air.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
You need glasses so that you can't even see mother read.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
Them a novel, But I can see them running toward men.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Yeah. But that's the other thing is that you're so
like you're such a space kid at You're like la
la la la la. You know, like in your mind
you're with the Smurfs, like frolicking in a field running
from gargamel.

Speaker 1 (19:20):
You know what, I'm also from the streets, so I.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Don't I don't believe that you're paying attention.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
Let's get back to the story. But I'm from the
streets and they know better because my homies gone on.

Speaker 3 (19:30):
I just had to share because it's like an ongoing issue.
I just feel like I shouldn't have to bitch at
you this much about our safety.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
I agree on the part of you not bitching at me.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Yeah, he win, bro here is then I'm just not
going to go anywhere with you. Oh, or I'm not
gonna let you be in my car. Oh yeah, okay,
I got the title.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
What I feel like this is spiraling out of control?

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Might be once you rolled down your window and put
that in your pipe and smoke.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
It is this all in your scribbing?

Speaker 3 (20:06):
Yeah it is. It's a special section. See it's highlighted.
Faith didn't plan to stay at Hawthorn much longer. She
was awaiting her financial aid package to arrive, and then
she was going to move to like another complex. Faith
was active with the Carolina Indian Circle and volunteered at
the American Indian Center while she was a student at

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Chapel Hill. Now here's where things got a little confusing.
In my research, Faith is staying at this apartment, and
it's been reported that she was kind of temporarily staying there,
but then other outlets kind of indicated that maybe she'd
live had lived there with her friend Karna Rosario. Now,

(20:48):
I know it's a one bedroom apartment, so I'm assuming
you know, they're sharing. I don't know how that works.
Someone's got the couch, someone's got the bedroom. But Karina
had a boyfriend named Eric Jones, and it has been
reported that this couple fought a lot. They had a
lot of arguments. A lot of times these would spiral

(21:10):
into more law enforcement would arrive. So there were a
lot of domestic situations and a lot of them at
this apartment.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
That's too much. I mean, I understand people arguing and stuff,
but when you're when you're a young couple like this
with a limited history and you're not intertwined yeah, children.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Or finances, mutual four O one k orr or something.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
I just find it find it odd for the man
or the woman or whoever to continue a kind of
a volatile.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Relationship, especially when you're at a college campus with like
thousands of other students. Surely someone on the campus is fuckable, right,
I'm sure, right, Okay, So this is the other part
of what I was getting at is there have been
a ports that Eric lived there with Karina. So again
I'm not sure if it was like this kind of triangle,
like the two friends and then the boyfriend's there, but regardless,

(22:12):
it seems like he was at this apartment a lot and.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
By a triangle. To be clear, she does not mean
it's sexual, no.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
I don't mean like they're in a thrupple no.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
But for whatever, whatever the logistics are, they're all hanging
out together a lot.

Speaker 3 (22:29):
Right. So Eric, like I mentioned, there's there's a lot
of domestic situations between these two, and I don't know
if they were violent. I don't have those details, but
it seems like Karna had had enough and ended things
with Eric, and two different times in twenty twelve, Eric

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attempted to break into this apartment.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
Well that's not good behavior.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
No. Faith had helped her friend Karina get a protective
order against Eric so that he would stay away from
this apartment. Eric, of course, was not pleased with this
and felt that Faith was sticking her nose into their business.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
And this is what happens when you're around a couple
like this. Obviously, Faith sounds like just trying to help
her friend out, absolutely, but you can easily kind of
get pulled into the middle of it, even whether you want.

Speaker 3 (23:30):
To or not, and then everybody ends up mad at you.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Well, that can happen.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
I've seen that happen before.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
You're just like what you're dealing with their drama, right,
you know, which kind of sucks.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
At one point, Eric allegedly threatened to kill Faith if
Karina did not get back together with him. Eric had
this feeling that Faith had poisoned Karina's mind against him.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
This is very This is not all the fights.

Speaker 3 (23:59):
It's not you breaking into the apartment. It's not this
domestic violence or whatever not that we've had cops called out,
none of that. It's simply because her friend told her dumping.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
But yeah, it can't be your bad behavior or your
temper or any of that.

Speaker 3 (24:19):
It must be accountability. Yeah, but you see this in
these kinds of relationships. If if there's domestic violence and
one partner gets away, I feel like the other partner
typically the perpetrator is always looking to blame somebody else. No,
it your mama's fault that you left me, or your
sister or your friend.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, if not for them, we'd be happy to.

Speaker 3 (24:42):
Go yeah, right, and get back over here and let
me choke you.

Speaker 1 (24:47):
That's right, that's my love language.

Speaker 3 (24:49):
Horror, I love you. Let's be honest. Faith was just
trying to be a good friend and get her girlfriend
out of this bad situation, which I think most people
would try to help their friend. Right. There's clear evidence
that Aeric and Karina had enough problems and Faith's input
was not the deciding factor. But in these domestic situations,

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abusers will blame everyone but themselves, as we know. On Thursday,
September six of twenty twelve, between five thirty and six pm,
Faith and Karina attended a rush event for Alpha pi Omega,
which was a Native American sorority on campus. Faith wanted

(25:32):
to get into this Greek organization. There's a lot of
reasons why college students go Greek. You know, you've got
the camaraderie, social events, community service, and then ultimately networking
can help you get a job.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Well, yeah, you can build lifetime relationships.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Yeah. Alpha pay Omega has a unique history at UNT
Chapel Hill. It was founded by four Native American women
from the Lumbe and Kohari tribes in nineteen ninety four.
Not only do they offer a sisterhood, but preserve Native
American heritage and cultural traditions. It also helps foster a
sense of belonging for Native American students who can sometimes

(26:13):
feel isolated on college campuses, being a you know, being
a small minority. Right, and around seven to fifteen pm,
Faith departed the event because she needed to work on
an important paper, which was focusing on the history of
her local tribe. The pair went to the Davis Library
for study and research. It was around eight pm when

(26:36):
they arrived at the library on campus. Between eight thirty
and nine pm, Faith sent her father a text message
expressing her excitement with potentially joining this sorority. She was stoked.
She felt like this was kind of the you know,
place she belonged in that like these were her people,
you know. She really liked everybody and was really excited

(26:59):
about the sorority. The pair stayed at the library for
a few more hours. Faith left while Karina stayed behind,
and then Faith returned to the library once more at
around eleven thirty pm, and that's when she and Karina
headed to their apartment. Now, the friends decided they were
going to hit a night club. Hit up a nightclub

(27:22):
called the Thrill Wow in downtown Chapel Hill. Now it's
very unfortunate for all of us that Thrill no longer exists.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Oh, you can't get your thrill there anymore. Man.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
I have to say, twenty years ago there were so
many freaking awesome bars in Chapel Hill that are no more.
And I just feel really sad that there's this whole
generation that missed out on the night light, their eighties
goth dance party night.

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Oh that sounds awesome, really fun.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Or the bar called Hill that had an amazing jukebox
where you could listen to Shila E Nice The Glamorous Life. Yeah,
it was amazing. Though they were underage. Faith was three
weeks shy for twentieth birthday. The Thrill had a reputation
for allowing underage students inside and not necessarily checking ages

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before serving drinks.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Oh my goodness, that sounds illegal.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
I should mention this place is, like I said, long
since closed and we can probably guess why I.

Speaker 1 (28:29):
Was gonna say. I guess it's no surprise that no
longer can you get your thrill with no id.

Speaker 3 (28:36):
Yeah, ain't gonna get no thrill in Chapel Hill. I
remember this age and college going out with your friends
to a dance club. And I might be making a
broad statement or kind of generalizing things, but most girls
I knew at that age just loved to go dancing
at the club at the clurb. It wasn't really about

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like hooking up or meeting anybody, or even like drinking
so much as just kind of hanging out with your
girls on the dance floor and you know, backing that
thing up.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah, just dancing together basically, right, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, in like a circle. Go shorty, it'schy birthday, you know,
some fitty cent playing your motherfucking birthday.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Well, those are good. It was a good club days,
you know.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, throw your ass in that circle, Dylan.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
Late nineties, early two thousands. It's a good time to be.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
Don't make those club hit bangers anymore.

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Man, Well, no, it's because where's the missy Elliott. The
kids don't want them.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
I want it. Never too old to back that thing up, Dylan.
The girls stayed at the club for about an hour
and a half. It's probably midnight twelve thirty to two am.
Karina didn't feel well, she asked if they could leave.
Security footage shows these women leaving the night club at

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exactly two o six am. The downstairs neighbor at the
apartment building, who was up watching television at this early hour,
said the women return to their apartment around three am.
Normally she might not recognize the time, but she heard
three loud thumping noises upstairs, like something heavy was being

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dropped on the floor above her. And this did seem
a little odd to the neighbor.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Well, yes, especially given that time of the morning.

Speaker 3 (30:28):
Right sometime in the next thirty to forty minutes, Faith's
Facebook account is accessed. One of Faith's former boyfriends, Brandon Edwards,
received a text and it's kind of odd. It just
says this, Hey, b can you come over here please?
Karina needs you more. Aha, you know, please let her

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know you care.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
All right?

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Yeah, maybe they had been drinking that night. Then in
a minute, another nonsensical text came in that spelled thean
thha n. Around four, Brandon texts back asking who dis No,
it was more like who is this? But I always

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like to say, who is record show? Around the same time,
Brandon is getting text from Faith's phone while Karina is
also trying to call him. Brandon didn't answer any of
these calls. Karina then called a UNC soccer player named
Jordan McCrary. She was friends with this guy, and after chatting,

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she left the apartment with him. Jordan picked Karina up
around four to twenty five am. When Karina left the apartment,
she did not lock up. According to Karina, she assumed
Faith was asleep in the bedroom and didn't bother locking
the door. And honestly, as scary as it is, I
don't think this is uncommon among college kids.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
So is she leaving an unlocked so she can get
back in? I mean, what are we doing here?

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Maybe? But I think a lot of times people just
come and.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Go, yeah, but your friends in there a set.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
And they're not really thinking about the consequences.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
I mean, I don't know why you wouldn't lock your door,
but okay, I get it. They're young.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Well, a lot of young people, like college students, are
not always so safety minded. And let's be honest, Dylan,
when we were young, we did our fair share of
dumb shit too.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
I locked doors. I've always been a door locker.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
Well good for you.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Even as a small child, I would go around lock
people out, but you did. But keep your ass out there.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
I've locked you out a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
Oh my god, dude, recently.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
It's pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I'm out mowing the grass, working in the yard and
you're like, I'm gonna go run some errands. I know, Like, okay, cool,
you know I'm out here busting my ass and I
go to go in the door and it's locked, like
out of habits. She just locked it on the way
out and got in the car and drove away.

Speaker 3 (32:58):
Well, in my defense, I was running an errand for
your granddaughters.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, and I appreciate that.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
And I text you multiple times like do you want
me to come back home? Should I return? Do you
need me to come? And you were like, no, no,
take your time. Well yeah, I was, so you're a
big liar again.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I was lying. I wanted to go inside and get
sit on the couch is what I wanted to do.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
So well, honestly, that's not news to me, Dylan. I
have to peel you off the couch.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
But no, I had a cold water my vape and
my phone. I was watching TikTok. I survived.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
I know that's all you do, sit and watch TikTok.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
What are you gonna do? I'm relaxing.

Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, you could do a lot of other things, yeah,
like full laundry or whatever. But anyway, back to our story.
I mentioned this because like Brian Coburger easily accessed that
house in Idaho where he murdered four people.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
No, I get it. I'm sure it's not uncommon for
people to kind of leave our doors open, and like
you said, people come and go and things like that.
They're not security minded or you know, I get it.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Well, often, you know, they kind of take for granted
their mortality. I mean, when you're young, you think you're invincible,
You're gonna live forever, like nothing bad's gonna happen to you.
And I doubt Karina was thinking about, Hmmm, someone could
be murdered or harmed if I don't lock this door.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
No, I'm sure she wasn't so.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Jordan and Karna. They drive over to a friend's house,
which has been reported to only be five minutes from
the apartment. But I'm assuming because this is around four
thirty am. She didn't want to walk over there, or
maybe it's not a very walkable area. Karina wakes up
at this friend's house around ten thirty am. She calls

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Faith but does not get an answer. Karina then calls
another friend. It seems like maybe she's looking for a
ride back to the apartment. Karina finally gets a friend
on the phone named Maris All, who picks her up
from this house and drops her back at the apartment.
When Karina gets to the Hawthorn apartment, it's a few
minutes after eleven and now it's September seventh of twenty twelve.

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Karina and Marisol enter into the apartment and call out
for Faith. When they get no answer, the women go
into the back where the bedroom is located, and that's
where they find Faith's partially nude body wrapped in a quilts.
They see blood. There's blood spatter everywhere. Faith has been

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beaten to death and sexually assaulted.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (35:39):
Karina calls nine to one one immediately to report what
has happened. Quickly investigators arrive and begin processing the scene. Fortunately,
they were able to collect seamen from the crime scene,
which can be used to develop a DNA profile. They're
also able to pull DNA from some other places in

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this crime scene. There was a considerable amount of forensic
evidence left behind. The DNA they pull does come back
as mel. But the tricky part is the DNA is
not found in any database.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Okay, so they have a sample, but they have nothing
to compare it to.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
When the autopsy comes back, they determine that Faith has
died from blunt force trauma to the head. There was
a rum bottle located in the apartment, and detectives believe
it was the murder weapon. The autopsy noted that Faith
had a number of cuts and bruises. She had blood
under her fingernails. This suggested to authorities that she had

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struggled with her killer. Faith's father had called his daughter
a fighter, so it does make sense that she would
put up her best. I think for most of us,
if our life was hanging in the balance, we would
try to fight off our attacker given a chance.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Yeah, I mean, you're sick. Instinct is going to kick
in at a certain point, right.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
But I also think about if she's asleep, she's in bed,
she's tired, she's probably knocked out, like to wake up,
and there's a strange person or a person in your
room assaulting you or yeah, I mean that's so scary,
and really you're caught so off guard, you're probably half asleep.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I mean, no, I can't imagine being.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
So scary, but that fight or flight has to kick in, right, Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Can't imagine being woken awakened like that. I mean, it'll
be a terrible situation. And at first you're not going
to know what's happening. But I think with this type
of violence, you're going to very quickly realize that whatever
is happening is very bad.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah. A note was found at the crime scene that
read quote, I'm not stupid bitch jealous.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
I'm not English graduate either.

Speaker 3 (38:01):
I'm not stupid bitch jealous. It was scrawled on a
type of like fast food bag, like one of those
white paper bags you get from carry out places. Considering
the history between Karina, Eric and Faith, the ex boyfriend,
was clicked pretty quickly on police's radar. He had had
past issues with domestic of violence, and investigators learned that

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Eric had threatened Faith. Makes sense to look at this.

Speaker 1 (38:29):
Guy, Well, yeah, they're gonna look at him any either way.
But I think this is an obvious reason to take
a good look very quickly.

Speaker 3 (38:38):
Eric had also done some strange things that led police
to consider him a prime suspect. On the evening of
September sixth, Eric had sent a text message to one
of his friends asking for forgiveness for what he was
about to do. It was super vague and there were
no more details.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
God, that's weird.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
I mean, this could be anything. He could be like,
please forgive me. I'm about to go tear up this
Golden Corral buffet.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Please forgive me. I want each your leftovers.

Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, I mean, it should really be a number of things.
He also made a similar posting on Twitter. Three days
after Faith's murder, Eric updated his Facebook profile banner with
a message that said, quote, Dear Lord, forgive me for
all my sins and the sins I may commit today.
Protect me from girls who don't deserve me and the

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ones who wish me dead today what maybe it also
says only God can judge me? My kids is in
my world.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
I'm just what is this guy even thinking? Protect him
from other from women who don't deserve him because he's
such a kid.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Sounds like a catch. Eric was interviewed by investigators who
also requested a DNA sample. At first, he was hesitant
to provide the sample, but eventually give us in. And
let's be honest. If you are innocent, and you know
I did nothing, I would want to give up a
sample to clear my name.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Well, yeah, you would want to get you your name
cleared and so they can move on and find out
who really hurt this person.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Right, But because to be honest, like, you know, that's
not my semen, right.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
If you didn't do anything, it shouldn't be your semen.
And no matter, a normal person, even if they had
not liked Faith at some point or had issues, you know,
given his relationship with Karina and all that, would still
not want her to be murdered like this, Right, you
would want someone to be found and a killer stopped.

(40:47):
So yeah, but I guess in some instances a person
could be nervous about doing that because maybe they don't
fully understand what did Oh.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Yeah, I mean I see reasons why someone might be
a little skeptical or a little suspicious, right, right. It
turns out that the DNA clears Eric from the crime scene.
It did not match his DNA did not match the
semen or the other DNA evidence that they found the

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blood under Faith's fingernails.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
Really.

Speaker 3 (41:20):
Yeah, the friends Brandon and Jordan are also asked to
provide DNA samples, and it excluded them as well. I
think in these situations, like I said, most people would
feel confident enough to say, like I didn't do this
and hand over that DNA because that really is the
fastest and safest way to clear your name. So it

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does seem like most everyone was cooperative with law enforcement
and they do a lot of DNA testing and we're
going to talk about that. I mean, they really I
have to say, law enforcement tried to work every angle
of this case.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
So it's one of those cases where they just did
sample after sample. Yeah, everybody they came in, every mail
they came into contact with.

Speaker 3 (42:07):
Yeah, we'll get to that here. So that bag that
I talked about that the note was written on came
from the Timeout restaurant, which wasn't very far from the apartment.
It was a kind of bag that you get, you know,
carry out. It's white paper, like a fast food bag,
and the message was written in inkpen, but it was
kind of nearly illegible. Also, investigators said that the note

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was found kind of near the body, but it didn't
have any blood on it, And there was so much
blood at this scene.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
Well, bludgeoning, you're going to have a lot of cast off,
You're going to have all kinds of blood evidence all
over the room, literally ceiling everything.

Speaker 3 (42:44):
Well, I'm also thinking about you know this, This writing
with a pen on this kind of paper can be
a little tricky anyway, Sometimes your pen doesn't want to cooperate.
But also if it's had food in it and like
the bag's a little bit greasy, that could be another
reason why it looked all like. It looks like somebody
had a difficult time writing it out. Law enforcement speculated

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that it had been written in another room or before
the murder had occurred, and then it was placed like
after the murder. Okay, which would explain why I didn't
have any blood on it.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
That makes sense.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
When the handwriting was analyzed, police said they thought it
showed rage.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Ah, these words are angry.

Speaker 3 (43:28):
These words are angry. It was more likely that the
writer meant to say I'm not jealous, stupid bitch, but
that's not what appeared on the bag. Those magic words
did not appear.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Guy's like as a politician. It's like the person's a
politician and people are coming out the next day and
explaining what they really meant. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Another strange piece of information came from Faith's friend who
had received a phone call from Faith's cell phone and
it sounded like it was a butt dial. This conversation
that was recorded is hours before the murder takes place,
or what they're estimating, like the the time of the murder.

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The recording was about three minutes long, and it features
three different voices, so there's two females in a male voice.
The recording is very hard to make out. Police theorized
due to the time of the call that Faith and
Karina were inside the nightclub Thrill when the call was made, okay,
or when this butt dial happened. It has been described

(44:36):
as very muffled. There have been numerous people who've tried
enhancing the audio with special equipment and software, but it's
still even with you know, modern technology, is still not
a great phone call, okay, So it's really still hard
to kind of hear what's going on.

Speaker 1 (44:55):
All they know is her phone called his phone, and
then they could hear people, but no words really right.

Speaker 3 (45:03):
Some people say Faith can be heard crying in the call.
Others think they hear a male saying quote, I think
she's dying, and the female says do it anyhow, But
it does seem there is some argument maybe on this call,
or that's kind of happening that the call captures. Many
people believe they hear the names Eric and Rosie mentioned.

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Rosie is a shortened version of Karen's last name, Rosario.
But there are others who say that it sounds like
someone is rapping, like the back on the call, like
in the background. Okay, right, I mean so again, it's
just kind of all over the place and we don't
really know what's clearly being said.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Well, I think just from that description alone, you can
tell that people are trying to make something out, but
it's it's not. It's one of those situations where it's
very subjective to what you thank you are hearing.

Speaker 3 (46:03):
You know. Yes, the call is a bit of a
mystery and investigators aren't sure how it fits into the case,
if it fits in really at all. But we do
know that the call was made at one thirty am
while Faith is still inside the nightclub, because we have
surveillance footage showing when they.

Speaker 1 (46:24):
Leave at two oca leave.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
Yes, so Faith was alive and well inside the club
when this call was made, and like I said, we
see her leaving the club alive. During the first week
after Faith Spurner, you wouldn't see. Crime Stoppers offers a
twenty nine thousand dollars reward for any information leading to
the arrest of her killer. And this had been an

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effective strategy four years earlier when police had offered a
similar reward in the murder of a student named Eve Carson,
who was a and murdered. That case was solved. So
they're really hoping because that reward had enticed someone to

(47:08):
come forward with information that that would happen again. Then
the reward went up to thirty nine thousand dollars when
Governor Bev Purdue offered another ten thousand.

Speaker 1 (47:19):
Dollars okay to this spot.

Speaker 3 (47:22):
With his high dollar amount, Investigators and the community hoped
this would bring more leads and tips in law enforcement.
Theorized the killer new Faith, maybe even lived near the
area in the apartment building, possibly had a crush on her,
had either seen her or had interacted with her. Okay,

(47:43):
you know almost like I guess this person could have
been obsessed with her.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
Well, yeah, because I mean this seems kind of personal, right, yeah,
I mean it doesn't seem really seem like a ran.
Well you have a weapon of opportunity, yeah, the bottle.
So this could be a situation where someone has presented
himself to faith, tried to make an advance or something
like that, and been rejected and then went into it.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
They presented themselves. It just makes me like they're a peincock. Yeah,
Like he's got his tail feathers out, like right.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
He's shooting his shot and then he gets rejected and
then flies into a rage. I mean, I think that
could easily describe this crime scene, possibly Dylan.

Speaker 3 (48:27):
But you know what I thought was, I guess the
thing that sticks out to me is this seems like
so random, this crime And how did this a sailant
know that the door was unlocked and that they could
get into the apartment easily. So that makes me wonder

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if this was random or if this was someone who
knew her. But even if it was someone who knew her,
how did they know the door was unlocked because there's
no indication she had told anyone. Right, Well, I'm here
in the doors unlocked, com in.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Well, like you said, maybe they knocked on the door
and she came to the door. Or it is some little,
you know, college apartments. You may be able to hear
basically what's happening next door. You may hear there's three
people there, and you may hear them say, hey, we're
leaving now, and then then they leave. I mean, it
could be a number of scenarios, I reckon.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
They also speculated that the killer might change his mannerisms
after the murder, like after you know, in these days,
after the murder has happened, that the person might have
noticeable changes in their personality or behavior that friends and
family would take notice that they seem more withdrawn or

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you know, like something's happened, right.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
Like their moods different. Yeah, they're gloomy for no reason.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Unfortunately, Faith's case went cold. Local law enforcement had the
DNA evidence, but no match. As I mentioned before, Eric
was cleared from the case, and there was just no
movement and they can't make a match with the DNA.
You know, it's just kind of a waiting game at
this point, right, I.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Mean, all they can do is work their leads and
evidence that they have, and once that runs out, it's
inevitable for ever any case.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
A year later, you wouldn't see their police department requested
help from the State Bureau of Investigation. In twenty sixteen,
parabin Nanolabs, a famous DNA testing company, was asked to
take a look at the material and do some phenotyping
on it. Technicians are able to work with the DNA

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using genetic ancestry. Phenotyping can be used to predict eye color,
hair color, skin color. If they're freckling. They can create
a composite sketch of what a suspect might look like
based on this DNA.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Now, when I first heard of this some years ago,
I thought it was a pretty exciting advance in DNA
technology because you can live. Like you said, you can
literally pull a description or a sketch basically from the
DNA that doesn't lie, right, I mean, it's a Eyewitness

(51:22):
Accounts are known to be just not untrustworthy, but unreliable, inaccurate,
and unreliable for many reasons. Because people want to be helpful,
their brain fills in gaps of memory with things the
way you think it should be, or you know, when
you're trying to reason something a situation out all these

(51:44):
things can happen to make mistakes and eyewitness descriptions and testimony,
But I think this is a very good way to
get some pretty damn good evidence of what the person
looked like. Right.

Speaker 3 (51:59):
The phenotypings suggested the killer was most likely Native American
or Latino mixed with some European ancestry. Most of the
genetic markers pointed to Mexican Colombian with some other South
American and African influence. Parabin said they had eighty percent

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confidence that the suspect had olive skin and dark hair
like dark like black hair. A private investigator came forward
stating that he didn't know for sure if Karina was
the voice on that nine to one one call. He
said the caller sounded more like the friend marysol. Now,
this nine to one one call is about eight minutes long,

(52:42):
and it does not mention faith by name once during
this eight minutes. The callers saying.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Like something's happened, Yeah, like my.

Speaker 3 (52:51):
Friend's in here, but they never say her name, okay,
which this private investigator finds to be just suspicions, because
if this was your friend, you know this person really well,
like Karina knew this person. They were like sisters, you know, besties,
that she would be more personal with it, and that's

(53:13):
why he thought maybe Marisol had made the call. Okay,
And I don't really know what that would have to
do with the case, but I mean it is kind of,
I guess, an interesting bit of information or something that
he discovered that he kind of brought forth. Law enforcement

(53:35):
interviewed over two thousand people, Dylan damn when investigating this case,
and they took hundreds of DNA samples, So, like I said,
they were not resting on their laurels, they were out
working this case, really trying to solve it.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
Let's say here, they took hundreds of DNA samples and
they in turn tested hundreds of DNA samples. So it
just goes to show you, with the proper motivation and
pressure from the community, DNA evidence, rape kits don't have
to sit on the shelf for years before they get tested. No,

(54:13):
damn it, surely you just no. But I'm saying, I mean,
look at this, Look at they're pouring the money into
this case, which I think they should, but I think
they should treat every case like that.

Speaker 3 (54:24):
Well, Yeah, I mean, isn't isn't that the dream that
our law enforcement and criminal justice system works the way
it's supposed to.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Equita belief Is that a word? Yeah? Right?

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Fast forward to September of twenty twenty one, Chapel Hill
Police announced that they have made an arrest in the
murder of Faith Hedgepath. DNA evidence was used to link
a suspect after a drunk driving arrest a month before.
This suspect was never on police's radar. Really yeah, I mean,

(54:57):
it doesn't seem that this guy had any action to
Faith whatsoever. He is twenty eight year old Durham resident,
Miguel Salguro Oliverez. He was charged with first degree murder.
The DNA found at the scene, and also a palm
print that was located on the murder weapon that bottle

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of Bacardi peach rum matched him. In November of twenty
twenty four, the charges were amended to include charges of
first degree burglary, first degree rape, and first degree sexual offense.
In July of twenty twenty five, Oliveraz was scheduled to
appear in court on drug related charges. Allegedly, he had

(55:40):
had a controlled substance in jail while awaiting trial and
was in possession of meth. And also they have charged
him with intent to sell this myth in prison or
in jail while he's a waiting trial.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
What the hell?

Speaker 3 (55:55):
Olivera's lawyers have filed motions in court asking the judge
to allow independent testing of a two inch long blood
stain that was found near the bathroom where Karina had
stated she had been before leaving the apartment on September seventh.
Karina Rosario, according to defense lawyers, also had blood on

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her finger the morning of Faith's murder, and this was
witnessed by her friend Jordan McCrary. The filings could be
laying the groundwork for a someone else did it defense,
or in order to make some kind of deal, pointing
out flaws in the investigation to.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Make it not the case look a little less strong, right.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah, Olavera's' lawyers really are seemingly pointing the finger at
Karna Rosario. But I mean, like, if that's your strategy, okay,
but how do you explain your seamen at the crime scene,
your DNA all over the crime scene, and your DNA
all over the bottle that was used as the murder weapon.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
Well it seems like I mean, come on, it seems
like damning evidence. This is a common a common tactic
by the defense, just the possibility that won deror would think,
just what if someone else did this crime? I mean, yeah,
but I don't if I was on that jury presented
with just the evidence you've just said, I don't know.

(57:21):
I don't see any way around not thinking that you
did this crime.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
Faith's family waited nine years for a break in the case,
and as of yet, there's still no trials scheduled for
Olivera's and at this point it's been thirteen years since
Faith's murdered.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
How do I look like?

Speaker 3 (57:42):
I know?

Speaker 1 (57:43):
You know, I actually heard someone talk.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
I don't know why our justice system is so non functioning.
I don't know. We know.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
I heard someone speak on this the other day, and
I agreed that until you're found you're presumed innocent until
found guilty. That's a cornerstone of our justice system, I
would say. And you also, you're you have a right
to a speedy and fair trial. Yeah, And it's almost
like that speedy part has been pushed to the side

(58:17):
because when I was growing up, when I was a kid,
or you know, would hear about cases you didn't hear
about them being tried five, six, seven, eight years later. No,
it all went down inside of a twelve month period
or whatever and quickly was resolved in that way. What
if this guy, you know, of course, given the evidence

(58:38):
you outlined, likely not. What if he is innocent, right,
but what if you are waiting for your day in
trial in court to prove him.

Speaker 3 (58:45):
Yeah, what if he had consensual sex and they drank
this rum. Well, it's possible she wrote a note and
then somebody else killed her.

Speaker 1 (58:54):
We No, I mean what if? No, I'm saying, Okay,
you actually outlined a scenario. What could explain the evidence?
I mean, let's be let's be fair.

Speaker 3 (59:05):
I'm buying it.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
Devil's advocate. But I'm saying, or fuck yo, Okay, I
think he killed her? No, he totally did, He totally did.
But I'm saying, if you are an innocent person and
you're waiting for your day in court to be zonerated
or for the truth to come out, and they don't
have court for ten years or five.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
Three years allegedly did three years even, I mean, but
I'm not buying it. It would be different if this
was like her boyfriend or her buddy that she hooked
up with or that she'd had some kind of known
relationship to this guy. Then I might buy this story
of you know, this guy's been sort of set up
or there's another suspect. I mean, I would be more

(59:47):
likely to believe it. But she doesn't know this dude,
She's had no relationship with him whatsoever. I'm just not
buying it.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
But yeah, I mean I but I do think that's
an issue that should be addressed in our system, in
our society today has become commonplace. And what about the
families and the friends and families of the victims who
want a resolution.

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
After Olivera's arrest, Connie Hedgepeth told reporters, quote, hopefully you all,
all the people, even that didn't know her, will always
remember her. And I think that's true. I think a
lot of people remember Faith and think about her often.

Speaker 1 (01:00:28):
I'm sure they do, especially there in that area at
the college. Still, and it's just a terrible, senseless crime.
I mean, it just makes absolutely no sense.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
Well, by talking about Faith today, hopefully we are helping
preserve her memory. It sounds like she was a really
lovely young woman. She was motivated, you know, dedicated, She
wanted to give back to her community. Yeah, she was,
you know, working toward preserving her cultural traditions, volunteering. You know,

(01:01:01):
that was so such an important part of her life.
Is like preserving her family's heritage and the tribe's heritage.
You know. I mean I just think you know, she
she probably would have gone on to do really wonderful things.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Oh yeah, definitely.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
So it's very sad that her life ended in this way,
but you know, we can keep her memory alive.

Speaker 1 (01:01:24):
Yeah, that's the worst part of it. You know. She
sounds like she had so much to do and give
back and just had a great life to lead.

Speaker 3 (01:01:32):
Yeah. So in the end, you know, despite all of this,
and it's such a tragedy, I think we can all
recognize what a you know, lovely young person she was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
Agreed, Gosh, it's just sad.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
It's very sad, no sense, Well, it's so sad when
these situations happen. And again, you know, just like we
discussed last week, I think most parents, you send your
kids off to college so they have this like better opportunity,
and like she's a first you know in her family

(01:02:10):
to go to college, graduate from college, Like those are
her goals, and you know, her family was so proud
of her, and she gets this great scholarship, she's going
to this awesome college. Yeah, and the last thing in
the world when you're unpacking your kid's stuff in a
dorm room or an apartment is to think that they're
going to be harmed.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Well, it's supposed to be a great event, a moment
in their life that's gonna you know, set them up
or setting them on a path for the rest of
their life. And yeah, I'm sure that's the furthest thought
from your mind. But you know, and unfortunately stuff does happen.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
It does, and not to heart. But hey, mama's and
daddy's don't forget to remind your kids to lock their doors.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Well, you need operational security.

Speaker 3 (01:02:56):
If they live in a sorority house, a fraternity house,
have an apartment, they're in a dorm, lock your doors.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Well, you are young, You are a.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Good reminder to lock your doors.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
You're having fun and all these new experiences, but you
can take a moment and think about your you're in
your friend's personal safety.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Absolutely, yeah, it's it's a top priority. And I think
especially on college campuses, safety should be super important. To
everyone because you are dealing with a very diverse group
of people. Anybody can kind of come and go from
a college campus. It's not limited to just students, like

(01:03:37):
anyone can walk on campus, right, you know. And they're
such a large group of people there too, you know.
I think a lot of times criminals see them as
easy prey. They're naive, they're young, they're off on their
own for the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Yeah, gosh. Well, thank you for tuning in to this
episode of Mountain and Murders. Dylan. I have enjoyed our
time together.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
I've enjoyed you as well as always as always, and
thanks again to our new patrons and our listeners. We
love you all and we cannot wait to continue this
September month. Back to school, Back to school, Back to school?

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Yes, did you ever take your teacher and apple like
suck up? No, like an apple for the teacher?

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
Why didn't he?

Speaker 3 (01:04:31):
I don't even know where that came from, because I
don't ever remember anybody ever giving a teacher and apple, So
I'm just curious where did that come from.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
I'm sure it can be traced back to sometime when
you was trying to keep your teacher from having scurvy
or something like that. So you bring them a piece
of fruit, bring them an orange. You don't want them
to be deficient in the minerals and such.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Okay, all right, Dylan, Well until next time, all right, bye, bye,