September 7, 2025 • 57 mins
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Mountain Murders Movie Club dives into the dark, digital hallways of Unknown Caller: The High School Catfish. This thrilling documentary unravels lies, twists, and shocking admissions.
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Mountain Murders Movie Club dives into the dark, digital hallways of Unknown Caller: The High School Catfish. This thrilling documentary unravels lies, twists, and shocking admissions.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Movie Club.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Movie Club Now, Dylan. Well, first of all, I'm Heather
and I'm Dylan. Hey, hey, I know you. First of all,
we oftentimes reserve our movie club for Patreon for patrons only.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
This true crime documentary I'm talking about Netflix's unknown number,
the High School Catfish, has everybody talking. I mean, it
is all over social media. Folks are floored thanks to
a jaw dropping revelation that no one saw coming.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It was a pretty good twist.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You think so, I think so, Dylan. Let's get into it. So.
The new documentary centers on Beal City, Michigan, a teenager
named Lauren Lacari and her boyfriend Owen McKinny. Now, this
young couple starts receiving a flood of vulgar, threatening, harassing
(01:04):
text messages. This starts in twenty twenty and then again
in the fall of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and the doc opens up with a simple statement
which kind of really sets the tone for the entire
run of the show. All these texts you will see
are one true from transcripts of investigators, and the text
along the way kind of just blow me away. It
(01:34):
really does.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, now we are all aware. I think that cyber
bullying is a problem. It's been a problem, and it's
definitely a problem for young people. Back in the day,
you had a bully, they would maybe push you around,
shove you in a locker, give you a little swirly
in the toilet, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I hate getting swirlyed.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Have you ever been swirly?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You think somebody picked my little big ass up?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
No, I would have been the one handing out the
swirlies if I was so inclined.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I got bullied, especially in middle school. Kids are vicious,
so I can only imagine the bullying I received in person.
If they could have done it anonymously, Yeah, it would
have been terrible. And you know, a lot of times
this type of thing leads to young people having depression, anxiety,
(02:24):
their self esteem, plumbents, and it can even result in
these people, these young people, taking their own lives.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh no, it's of course. Bullying has been around for
a very you know, since the beginning of human existence
really in some form or another, But in this day
and age, it's almost like you can't escape it, you know,
you don't get a reprieve when you come home or
you know, when you're amongst family and friends. It's like
this because of the social media and the online presence
(02:52):
of everyone, and everything spreads so quickly, and then you
add in people's wanting to video fights and stuff like that.
It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
These messages, sometimes fifty a day, targeted not only the
young couple, but it begins spreading chaos, seeds of discontent, anger,
frustration among their small high school class and out into
the community, getting other parents involved, administrators.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just one of those
cases of the suspicion of who could be doing this,
knowing intimate details and seeming to know, seemingly knowing everything
that's going on, no matter how trivial. It makes people
wonder who's doing it and start thinking about past you know,
(03:46):
problems I've maybe had with someone before who doesn't like me,
things like that. So it really created an atmosphere that,
like you said, kind of drew a big chunk of
the community into it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Here's an example of a text, please hi, Lauren Owen
is breaking up with you. He no longer likes you
and hasn't liked you for a while, it's obvious he
wants me.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh god, he don't want you.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Remember that TikTok's viral video from like five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh, I remember.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, it was always some really choice couples.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because the couples that would take part in that were
pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Nobody wanted him, no, we promise or you. Other messages
were even more obscene and sexually explicit. Dylan, I mean,
I'm a vulgar. I'm a vulgar woman, right, you can't
call me a lady. I got a mouth like the potty, right,
I cussed like a sailor. But some of these messages
were so sexually explicit and just I'll say it fucked
(04:51):
up that it had me blushing. And I can't imagine
being a very young person, high school age, right, teenager? Yeah,
I mean that's the thing that they're I mean they're babies, right, yeah,
barely into their teens, receiving these kinds of messages.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, And it was almost like they had an element
they were sexual in nature sometimes and just really outright
mean at other times, and just gross. There was also
an element of being kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh. I got some examples of these gross messages Okay,
here's one. We're both DTF down the book.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's right right.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He will be with me while your lonely, ugly ass
is alone. Damn, it's lonely and alone and the same
and ugly cool. He wants sex, BJ's blow jobs and
making out. He don't want your sorry ass? Uh something
about there was another one referred to Lauren's teenage boyfriends
(05:55):
dicking fingers in my pussy in mouth? Oh yeah, I
mean these are kids. First of all. Who speaks like that?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They call that PTM?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And who messages like that when you're fourteen years old? Yeah?
I know I do a message like that and I'm grown,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
What I mean. No, that's what I'm talking about. It's
just it's it's a lot. And what's funny is I
think unless they were leaving, which I'm sure, which I know,
they left stuff out. I'm just I think most of
the time the victims here Owen, what's the good little
(06:35):
girl's name? I'm sorry, Lauren, Lauren, We're just like, who
is this? You know, what what are you? Who is this?
Why are you doing this? Things like that? And to
just keep getting this uh, this vitriol, this kind of
you know, angry, mean hurtful stuff back that's got to
quickly kind of wear on you as a young person.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, Lowenen are Loewen. Lauren and Owen had dated for
two years before these texts started, and they ultimately broke up,
hoping that this would prevent the messages from continuing. Right,
if we just break up, this person will leave us alone.
But no such luck, because the unknown bully texture cyberbully,
(07:21):
started to get even more aggressive despite the fact that
they were no longer together. The bully sent messages that
said things like kill yourself now, bitch. His life would
be better if you were dead. And this was a
message sent when Morn was thirteen.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Another message said dead hashtag bang bang hashtag suicide.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I mean, what do you even say to that? How
do you even respond to something like that? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At first, everyone was a suspect. Classmates, friends, even some
school officials fell under scrutiny. As this harassment escalated, as
we mentioned, and I mean it kind of became a
community issue. The case grew so intense, Dylan that the
FBI got involved. In April of twenty twenty. They actually
had a cyber task Force that tracked down this bully.
(08:14):
They used forensic cyber forensics.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, because the person doing it were I guess they
thought they were smart enough to not to go undetected,
but they really weren't that many layers to uncover the footsteps.
Once you get the proper authorities, you know, calling subpoening
subpoena knowing, how would you say that subpoening subpoena ing?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know is that even a word? It is
now subpoena.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, so that would would subpoena the you know, companies,
the Internet providers, things that like that to get the rest.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm surprised this went as far as getting the FBI
involved in some ways, but I think when you consider
the age of the victims and the amount of harassment,
the number of messages that were coming in, I mean,
the just the suicide, uh you know, implications alone like
(09:13):
kill yourself, right, I mean, I think all of those
things kind of were a good mix for the FBI
to get involved, right, because there's a couple of different
things going on there. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, because at one point I did say to you, wow,
I wish they would put this much energy into maybe
looking for missing people or some you know, maybe Indigenous
women or you know, any of these other groups that
you hear that don't seem to get the proper amount
of tension. But you were quick to point out that
(09:45):
this went on for a very long time, local authorities
invest investigated it to the best of their abilities, and
that it was you know, at young young teens involved,
and these at the end of the day, the these
messages are very cruel and pushing someone bullying them and
(10:06):
then literally saying you should kill yourself. I mean, that's
a lot. It really is.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It is a lot. Then there's a shocking twist in
the case Dylan, the anonymous texter.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Was drum roll roll. Wait, hold on, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
A terrible drummer. I don't have a drum roll sound.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, I just put insert drum roll.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can play like a tiny like a tiny little flute.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay. That word.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Who is the anonymous textor doing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's Lauren's mom, Kendren Lacari, Oh my god, the one
who's been helping one of the key figures helping the investigation,
close friends with Owen's mom, you know, trying to figure
out who's doing this to our kids. It fairly quickly
tracks back to her. Once the FBI gets involved and
(11:08):
gets warrants for records from she was Matt using some
simple program online something like that, and I don't even
think it was as sophisticate as a VPN maybe, but
they very quickly they saw this one recurring number and
they tracked that down and boom, leads right back to
Lauren's mom.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
FBI liaison Bradley Peter discovered that the former basketball coach
and PTA mom had been hiding behind these spoofing apps,
tormenting her daughter for twenty two months, and people were
absolutely shocked because Kendra had always appeared to be like
a really good mom, active involved in her daughter's life.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And involved in the school, you know community like sports activities,
things like that, you know, a go to kind of
you know te mom if you will, and more than
seventeen thousand texts texts.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Now, what I found really interesting. They include bodycam footage
in the documentary that captures the moment that police show
up at the family's home and arrest Kendra and tell
her like, we have a search more, we're seizing all
of your devices. This was in December of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, the jig is up.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Following her rest on two counts of stalking a minor
and two counts of communicating with another to commit a crime.
She pled guilty to the two stalking counts. She was
sentenced up to five years in prison in twenty twenty three,
before being released on parole last summer. Damn, so she's
out again. Sean McCrary. Lauren's dad divorced Kendra in the
(12:46):
aftermath and ended up winning full custody of Lauren, which
I think is appropriate. That's a no this situation.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's a no brainer. Be like, do you have any evidence?
Be like, well, hold on one second, your honor, Now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What just absolutely cooked my goose. In this doc is
when they interview Kendra and she says this, and this
is a direct quote Dylan. Realistically, a lot of us
probably have broken the law at some point or another
and not gotten caught. I'm sure people drove drunk and
haven't been caught. So she's comparing other people's crimes to
(13:22):
what she did to her own child.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Me slow rolling through a stop sign because there's no
one around. She's comparing that to what the suffering and
pain she put her you know, pre or her teen
child through.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
She also blamed her behavior on being raped at seventeen
and never fully processing that trauma okay, led her to
say these horrible things to her child.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, Now, so what do you think she.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Had another excuse as well, that this started because she
thought she could get the real Now, she's like, I
I did send like sixteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety
eight of those text messages, but the first two did
come from someone else.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, the first few was not her, But then she
took up the mantle of a cyber investigator and took over,
telling her daughter that she had a flat ass and
nobody wanted her for the next what a couple of
years basically, So maybe that would stir up the nest
and makes maybe the real, yeah, the real cyber bully
(14:34):
to kind of slip up. You know. It's a method
often used by investigators. They call it ringing the bell
and see what happens. He's like undercover, Yeah, she's under cover,
the undercover mother. And now this is really where and
people always sorry, but this.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Woman is absolutely full of fucking shit. I don't believe
anything that comes out of her mouth. She's obviously very
manipulative and has a problem with lying and all the
excuses and reasons that she gives in the documentary like
she somehow undercover. I'm like, that is such bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And this is where as usual, especially Netflix docs that
kind of make a they're good at putting one together
that makes an impact and kind of blows up. This
is where they get some criticism for allowing her a platform,
platforming her, to let her give a bogus excuse like that,
and really give no follow up question.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You mean the Casey Anthony Edd, no pushback.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Really, they're just really letting her say this bs and
I can't believe anyone believes what this woman's saying, and
that they were criticized for that, and obviously, per usual,
they were criticizing for leaving out big chunks of the story.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
All right, Dylan, so can you fill us in on
some of these big chunks of story because I'm I'm
unawares the base taking the story that I've seen on
Netflix's face value, So please, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
So there's an article in the cut, a lengthy article
that really explains a lot of this and for the
most part, every Now, if I will ask you a question.
When they revealed to her daughter own police body cam,
do you notice there wasn't really a strong reaction from
(16:24):
her daughter. Yes, not oh my god, mom? Why right?
This can't be true?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Guess I took that as like the daughters still trying
to like maybe she's in shock.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Which could be true, right, okay? Or and the father, honestly,
now that I think about it, seemed more pissed off
about the fact that she had not been employed. She'd
been lying to him about being employed the cops that like, no,
she doesn't work there, she got fired from the other job.
He seemed to really be kind of keying in on that,
(16:57):
not the why the hell have you been torturing our right?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, I also think, of course the documentarians are going
to edit it to look a certain way.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, no, it's true, because he did seem.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Really fucking mad, and I don't. I mean, he's even
saying like, you need to leave because I don't want
to go to jail. We'll both be in jail.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, he's like you need to leave before they leave life. Yeah,
or something could happen. But basically the gist of it
is the town already had people in the town in
the know already had suspicions that it was her, because people,
including Owen's parents, had come to realize she seemingly had
(17:36):
an unhealthy relationship or no obsession rather for Owen. The
mom did, Mom did, Yes, She'd gosh, we're okay. So
she keeps showing up to Owen's games after her daughter
breaks up with him, right painting her face. She's his
number one fan. There's one time she even tried to
(18:01):
she tried to go on a vacation with Owen and
his family, and they were like, no, why would you go.
That's weird, like just you, I mean, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Know, it's interesting. They did not mention any of that
in the doc. Yeah, but I had a feeling that
possibly mom did have some kind of sick interest in
the young boy.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well yeah, and you have to take into a fact.
You know, Owen started dating a couple of other girls
after he broke up with Lauren, and they started receiving
messages as well. So that right there told me that
there's something more to it. It's not just hating your
own hating or being jealous of your own daughter. Is
actually almost like the problem was connected to Owen you know,
(18:47):
it's really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Sad about this, Dylan. Aside from the fact that a
mother would do this to her child, to children period,
to minors, to their kids, to anyone, but right is
the aftermath of it. Because Lauren, I mean, she goes
on to say, like she sees Owen in the hallway
and stuff. They don't have any interactions, and Owen went
(19:08):
on to say that he was really mad at Lauren
and he didn't think he'd ever talked to her again
in the future. So mom ruined this friendship between the
two right young people.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, and that's that's totally messed up.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And it's you know, I mean, I understand, I guess
kind of his frustration, but to blame Lauren. It's not
really her fault that her mom did this. I don't know.
It's just such a sad situation and I cannot wrap
my head around it, Like, what kind of parent does
this to their child?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Now, it's disgusting behavior, and I just don't understand why
you would ever do this, just that you should be
protecting your children from people like that. So it's I
still can't even fully understand.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So what were some of the other things that you
learned from the article in the cut.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Uh. Yeah, so there was some weird stuff going on. Really,
you know how hindsight's twenty twenty. But even when this
was happening, I would find it a bit odd, like
she would still go to the Owen's basketball games or
sports events even after her daughter broke up with him,
which you can be like, oh, she's just a school
spirit mom or something like that. And just which and
(20:20):
he said, I think he said in the documentary she
would want to cut his meat up, try to cut
his meat up for him if they were like out
dinner together or having.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Dinner, Like he's a tiny child.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well that's not your kid, bud, Well.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
No, but that's that's very weird. No, because by the
time a kid's fourteen fifteen years old, I think they
can be responsible for their own meat.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Right, was she wanted to be responsible for Owen's meat?
You heard it first here at Mount Murders. She had
a strange obsession with him. I think it's obvious.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That is very weird.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Gosh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's so like a secret crush.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That secret crush. And I think they really in the documentary,
I think they count you kind of wonder, but they
certainly don't flesh that out or pursue that avenue with
any type of questioning. But I mean just the sexually
explicit nature of you know, many of the text well,
(21:17):
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
A lot of people have pointed out, and I think
this is an important discussion to have. What if the
roles were reversed and Kendra had been a dad sending
these types of messages to his son's girlfriend. Yeah, right, right,
Because if this were a man, do it performing the
same actions as Kendra. I feel like they would have
(21:39):
been nailed to the damn wall.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
No, it's true, and I think the documentary could it
wouldn't dare take a solt tone with that father? Right?
I think they would be hardline horrors. Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In these cases. I do feel like there's a female privilege,
and I know a lot of folks don't like to
recognize that in this world of you know, folks screaming
about equality and whatnot. But if there was true equality
among the genders, these female predators would be treated the
(22:15):
same as men. And oftentimes we see when it's a
female teacher, and especially if she's like an attractive female teacher,
molesting a student, because let's be honest, that's what they're doing, Yeah,
drooming and engaging in some illicit relationship with an underage kid,
a minor. I mean that's disgusting. And yes, for some reason,
(22:36):
these women seem to get a free pass or it's
that attitude of well is she was my teacher. I mean,
we've talked about this before, it's discussed on the pod,
but I do feel like oftentimes in these cases, women
get a slap on the wrist where a man's life
would be ruined, which I mean, let's be honest, that's
what should happen if you're a creep. But oftentimes, like
(22:59):
the male tea cature gets you know, more time, gets
more of a sentence, his life's ruined, whatever, And these
female teachers almost kind of go on to be a
little many celebrities or something. I think about that. Mary
Kay Laturno, Yeah, true, it was so shocking what she
did back in the nineties. We were very young when
that happened, but I remember that being like a really
(23:20):
big deal. But she almost became like a celebrity, Like
she would appear in tabloids and would be on talk shows,
and people were almost kind of like sympathetic to her situation.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, like well, you know, they talk about her relationship
and the problems she was having with her husband and
how she was in a dark place.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it's viewed through this very almost forgiving lens.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's disgusting. And also what it does is it minimizes
or it downplays male victims right of this molesting, which
is what it is. There's nothing, no way around it,
and it almost pushes them to the side. And this happens,
you see, it happened in domestic situations if you I've
known people, I've kind of been on the other end
(24:06):
of that in a way of hey, this woman is
doing these you know, dangerous crazy things and you'll have
police kind of law or you know, like you're scared
of the you know, they down they they laugh at you, right,
they don't treat it with a seriousness, like a woman
can't kill a man. I think that, uh, Jody proved,
you know, Jody Airy's proved otherwise on that how dangerous
(24:29):
that situation truly was. And I don't think anyone, including
the victim there, realized it. But yeah, this happens, and
I really think it's uh it's sad because you have
these male victims, young male victims, these kids, and I
don't think if you look out into society when you
have a sea on the internet, imagine being that victim
(24:51):
and you see things like, well, I wish I had
teachers like that, or oh she's hot and all that's this.
This is the discussion of the predator her that did
this to you. And they have feelings and they get
affected in all the same ways or very very similar
ways for the most part as the female victims in
these cases. And it's really disgusting as a society.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, as we mentioned before, I mean just simply giving
Kendra a platform right tell her side of the story.
If it were a man, if it were a male perpetrator,
I just don't think they would do that. No. Another
interesting part of the documentary is Kendra's husband is the
name Sean.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I believe it's Sean, I think so.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Discussing finances and how Kendra had been responsible for the
family's finances paying bills, she ends up getting them in
deep debt. They're evicted there, all their personal belongings end
up in a storage situation. She's not paying that she's
lying about finances. So one, I'm wondering, like, where's that
(25:52):
money going that she's not using to pay bills.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It could be the twelve foot long table of alcohol
that is seen in some scenes in the living room.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, I ask you about that. I was like, is
that is that a table of booze? I mean, it
looks like a fully stocked.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Bar, Dude, it looks like and it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's it's a like an entire dining room table. Yeah,
you know, probably what three four feet wide, yeah, six
feet long?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, and the bottles are touching.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Each other, like the entire table is covered in alcohol.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, it looks like something you see at a college
frat house. It just strikes me as kind of odd
for adults that even if you hate, if you're responsible.
I've never been able to build alcohol up like that
because I'm bad to drink everything in the house. But
I've seen people that have, you know, can have make
drinks with friends and keep stuff around and kind of
(26:49):
build up this inventory. It's kind of cool, but just
to have it displayed out like that and such an
immense quantity seems to be a bit odd to me.
And I think she admits to you know, having trouble
with a substances, alcohol and such. But yeah, even her
husband thinks she's working or you know, at fairest state
or quit a job, but she was actually let go.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So she's just had two jobs. So it turns out
she was let go from both of those around the
same time. And so for like a six month to
year period she's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Been lying she's getting up and getting ready.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
About having a job.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I mean, who in the world does I've heard of
this before, you know, like you take, some men can't
admit that they've you know, been fired or lost their job,
and they kind of lie and fake out their family
by getting up and getting ready in the morning with
everyone like normal and going somewhere and spending the day,
spending the day or coming back home when everybody's left
(27:47):
kind of thing. And I've always thought that's a very
very very strange behavior. I mean, for you to go
through that and not be able to just that level.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Of manipulation, betrayal, deceit.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, when I could not imagine, for one, I couldn't
imagine you doing it to me either. Like with the finances,
I like, you you pay all our bills, you keep
everything in order, you're the Well, no, but if all
of a sudden I came home and there was an
eviction notice when I think everything's fine on our door,
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that would be that would floor me.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That would be absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Devastating and such a betrayal from your partner, I mean,
or not be able to say, hey, I lost my job,
I got fired or whatever, even if you don't want
to tell them that zact way it went down, which
I could understand in some circumstances, but just it's a
betrayal of trust amongst you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And your part I've seen some folks on the internet
speculating like did she even have the job at the
college that she claimed?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Oh? Was that that was a college Ferris First State?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay, yeah, some people were so did she even have
that job? Like theirs? Speculation that she never even had
the job, that she lied about getting the job, never
actually had the job. But yeah, if you're in charge
of the finances, it would be fairly easy maybe to
cover up that you're not bringing in income.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, see if I know you couldn't do this for
long because in exactly about one week.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well I think most people working people a couple of week,
especially in this economy, are not able to skip bills
because most people are living like paycheck to paycheck right right.
They've ran up credit cards, they've blown through savings because
you know, you cannot afford to live nowadays, even with
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a dual income. I mean, it's just we know what's
happening in the world, so it would be really hard. Well,
in our situation, it would be really difficult to lie
to you about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I'd be like, what do you mean we don't
have sixty dollars in the bank to get through next week.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's terrible. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What do you mean we can't go get a sun
joy from a Chick fil A? What's going on here?
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
My brain would never allow me to not pay bills. Plus,
I'm just wondering where's that money going? What's she doing
with that money besides paying these bills.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, well that's a great question. I mean, is she
drinking that much? I mean, because alcohol, it can be
depending on what you're drinking, can be fairly expensive habit.
I think oftentimes it gets downplayed. You hear about like, oh,
cocaine heroin will take all your money, but alcohol will too.
At one point, I was drinking more than I should.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's really expensive to drink out, like if you're drinking, Yeah,
it's a little more affordable to drink at home, but
that adds up. I mean if you're looking at what
twenty to thirty dollars a.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Bottle, depending it could be.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Ten dollars, well, depending on I'm just thinking, Okay, so
that's what maybe a mid mid level alcohol. You're buying
that multiple times a week. I mean that adds up
after a while.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, I've done it with beer. You know, that six pack,
that twelve pack, you know every day every other day.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That craft beer money, but that that.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Gets it spent. Yeah, craft beer really really elevated the
beer market.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm just curious when like shitty beer got expensive because
I've always been like a PBR girl, Like I don't
care to drink the shitty beer. That's my that's my
go to if I'm having beer. And you once upon
a time, kid a six pack of PBR for like
two fifty Yeah, and now PBR is like almost as
much as a craft beer. It's crazy to me, like
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when did that become a thing.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well, for one thing I want, I always it was
like uh, with PBR, but I've had a few in
the past year, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Because it's think it's just a very beer. I'm thinking
it not shitty beer. It's a beer. It tastes like
what beer is supposed to taste.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It tastes on my beer. It makes you feel the
next day exactly like I call it a lake beer,
a maintenance beer. Something you could go with your friends
and drink all day, drink all day at the lake
without being totally, you know, trashed, or you can stop
drinking it in about an hour or two later you're
not you know, that intoxicated anymore. But uh, yeah, it's
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a solid beer. But no, it's popular now. It's kind
of funny it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
No, yeah, you can get PBR or where's the Slits.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
My other favorite is National Bohemian Natty Bow. It's a
Maryland beer. Can't always find it in the South.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I have never seen that anywhere I've.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Bought it before. Okay, they used to have it at Pj's,
our beer store, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So yeah, that's a big question. Where was the money going, Kendra?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Where was the money going? And it's just so interesting
to me because it seems like she is manipulative on
multiple fronts. It's not just this instance with her daughter,
but it seems like in many aspects of her life,
she's lying, she's manipulating, she's trying to control the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
She's catfishing her husband on finance, and she's not very
good at it. No.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And I'm also like, bro, if your wife gets you evicted,
and he's like speaking very like longingly about some of
his items that I guess got when they got the
storage building and then didn't pay it and those items
get auctioned off or whatever, He's like, well, this is
stuff from when I was a kid and tools for
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my job. And so I'm like, okay, So if that happens,
then why are you going to continue to allow her
to be in charge of the finances?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Dude? If I have to put my items, everything in
a rushed manner all of a sudden into storage.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm paying that one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Storage because of an eviction notice. I didn't know what
was coming. You're done. You're not making the payments anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean, if this were a child, you're not going
to continue to let them be do something when they
get in trouble, right, you're not going to continue to
let them have the responsibility or this kind of privilege, right,
So why are you gonna let your wife? I mean,
I'm sorry, but you gotta treat Kendrell like she's a kid, like.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
You ate all the cookies, but here's a new pack
of cookiees.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And she does not seem like the brightest Yeah, she
does not seem like the best and brightest Kendra. She
was a little dumb.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well again, I don't they allowed many people have a
issue with them allowing her to kind of just give
this bullshit tell me about she was trying to ferret out
or investigate.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Or blame it on that she was assaulted when she
was a teenager. Yeah, somehow that makes you terrorize your
child like that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That doesn't make sense, And that's a slap in the
face to victims of assault.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
In everything that are great parents.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That are great parents that have dealt with that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Protect their children, would never do something like this, right.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's ridiculous. They didn't have any pushback on her bullshit
excuses there at the very end. And you know a
lot of people also wondered why she took part of
it because I mean, it's still not a great look, right, Yeah,
and the shocking reveal, which is really what they wanted.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well, her cousin spoke at length about Kendra, Kendra's personality,
and she made it very clear that Kendra was like
desperate for attention. She was like, if we were here
having this interview, it looked like they were in a bar,
Kendra would be over there dancing, trying to get attention.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Trying to get everybody to look at her.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
To me, yeah, so it sounds like she has an issue,
like she needs attention. She's doing the interview because any
attention is good. It's like, I mean again, it's like
a little kid, like it seeks attention through negative behavior.
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, no, I think this kid. Explained why they kind
of softballed her there at the end because she was
back and forth. She definitely waffled on being a part
of it, but they really wanted her to be obviously
for the big reveal, to have her in the beginning.
Talked about, oh, we didn't know what was happening, which
was totally fucking kind of weird to me, and they
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were like, it's going forward with or without you. Everyone
else is on board. And then she decided They're kind
of like, we'll let you kind of say your peace
here in the end of it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I would have so much more respect for this woman
if she would just own up to what she did, apologize,
and not try to make these bs excuses.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, she'd be like, look.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Explain the behavior. I'd just be like, I don't know
why I did it. I'm a fucked up person. I apologize, you.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Know, no totally. If her tone had been that, my
daughter can never forgive me for this. I betrayed my husband.
This whole thing is terrible. What I did to Owen
is so wrong, and I don't know what I mean.
If you won't go so far as saying I was
hot for Owen, which I think is the case, seeing
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how she harassed even girls that after her daughter that
Owen talked to and their families, you said.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
She would go to game like even after Lauren and
Owen broke up, she would continue to go to athletic
and sporting events like supporting.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Him face paint, go oh and all that. It's very weird.
It's kind of weird weird.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I couldn't even get my parents to come to my events.
Can imagine like getting them to go to someone else's.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, I can imagine going to some other kids, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I could even get my own parents to come watch me.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh my gosh. Well I had a couple of years,
a couple of years of band. Band is tough. It's tough.
You were a Yeah, I was a band parent there,
and my son was really good. It was like second
chair on the trumpet.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh he played the trumpet.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, spenser ass trumpet. You know, went and got them
to the high dollar one, the nice one or whatever.
All rented it. You know how that goes finally paid
it off.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, yeah, but I think that's how it works for
a lot of parents.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well yeah, no, oh, it's a whole You rent an instrument. Yeah,
that's a whole thing. It's an industry.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
It's rent to own or whatever. You pay payments on
it because most people can't afford to drop like five
grand on a trumpet or a tube or something.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And uh, you know, you gotta go set through the concerts.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And yeah, there's a lot of concerts.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, and you have to wait for to see your
child perform.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Then there's marching bands. If they do marching band, then
you have to go to all the games and that's
football and basketball season, right, you know that was a.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Good way to get your kid a scholarship for a
college band is to have them play get even decent
at an obscure instrument. Right. Everybody wants drums, you know, trumpet,
the kind of flashy things, but when you get into
the tuba, which is hard work. If I played a xylophone, obo,
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I mean you got to think of what the woodwinds
are good?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Clarinet's alira, Yeah, I don't know anything about it to.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Be like, look, my son is like first chair on
the harp, right, boons. It's a free ride, bro free
ride through college.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I knew a lot of folks who were in band.
I had some friends in band, and I didn't know
quite a few who went on to play in college,
you know, play college band. But I remember it was
like a big thing because you had like band concerts
and then if you were a member of like the
jazz ensemble or the jazz concert band. Yeah, it seemed
and they were like multiple different kinds of band you
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could be part of like concert band, jazz bands, marching bands,
and then some people are involved in all of that. Yeah,
So you were doing a lot of band concerts.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So I feel for anyone, any of the listeners listening
right now has a kid in band. Hey, it's great.
I know you love your kid, but I feel your
pain when you're sitting through these man I give.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So my kids have never really wanted to be involved
in things. I guess they get that like whole Groucho
Marx attitude for me, that they don't ever want to
be a member of something that would have them as
a member, right right, Like, my daughter wasn't really into sports.
She was so good at soccer and she hated it.
She's very athlete when she was young, Like she as
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little kids and you know, they're just running around out there.
They don't know what the hell they're doing. She was
really good at it. We were like, how the hell
does she know how to play soccer? She's awesome, right,
she hated it. We could not get her to play soccer, dance,
I mean we tried multiple things, but she was never
into any of those things. So by the time she's
in high school, you know, she's doing art like art club,
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but other than that, you know, she didn't really do events.
My son doesn't either. But these parents who are involved
in band and sports and multiple clubs, and they're always
ushering their kids around chauffeuring them. Parents have to go
attend you know, two or three events a week.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Prepractices, whatever finance it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Those parents are the hero parents. Let's be honest, because
I know we got some of y'all out there and
you're stretched so thin, but you do all this. You juggle,
You manage to get your kids to the things they love,
and y'all deserve a big pat on the back. You
really do so much work and then you have to
sit through all the stuff. And I know you love
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your kid, but come on, you can admit it. You
don't like it up at eight o'clock on a Saturday
morning to go to like a ball.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Tournament, not every Saturday, and for.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Six seven hours. No, I know you, I know that
gets your butt hurts. You probably don't have the most
comfortable seating, you know, defensive. So my hat's off to y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They have to travel to the tournament. It's a lot
of times regional hour two three away. We travel ball
and pay.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
To get it taking like just little league or you know,
they play for the school. But then you get into
the travel ball stuff too. Y'all are spending money or
you know, your entire weekend is devoted to softball, football whatever, basketball.
Like I said, hats off to.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Y'all, Hats off to you. And all heroes do not
wear capes.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, all your parents struggling through that coral concert.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
It's true. All right. Oh and one more little tidbit.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Because we got this, yeah tidbit of stealing.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
This doc was nothing but tea. And I think that's
kind of why people.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are like, what, yeah, we love some tea.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Can't look away. So apparently they're in the town. It
seemed to be a smaller town. They have big Halloween
party amongst parents, and you know, just a group of
people that do it all the time, like.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The end of hocus Pocus, that big Halloween party.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I mean, Dylan watched that yesterident. You don't like hocus Pocus.
I mean you were like, basically you said, I'm tolerating
this because I know you love it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Well, honey, it's every I've seen it like twice a
year since I met you, so from start.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
To f Well, we should watch it more than that,
because it's great.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It's a good movie. But I mean, come on, it's
not even what did I say? I said, it's not
even October yet.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So but anyway, so they have this big Halloween party
and one of the Tammy, one of the parents, dressed
up as Kendra. After all this came out and she
was convicted, dressed up as her for Halloween. She wore
a scarecrow costume with Kendra's mugshot like tape and a mask.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
She made a mask of a smugshot. Yes, that's the
level of trolling that I aspire to, right there. I
love it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Okay, So I think we've said about all we can
about Unknown Number.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, I don't know, Dylan, because watching this documentary stirred
up some personal feelings for me.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well, I was going to segue into that I want
you to kind.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Of because you continue to get these text messages where
someone's like you smell like fart and they're anonymous, and
you're like, who's sending these to me?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Well? No, I actually, on a serious note, I knew
that you could draw a para because people, your first
thought's going to be, how can you do this to
your own child? How can you be a jealous, be
hateful and mean and tell your own child, all these
kinds of things, and honestly, I think you kind of
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can relate to that. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Look, I know I bring up my past a lot
on the pod and people are probably like, one, don't
believe me, because there's just so much weird shit, right,
But I've had an interesting, colorful life. I'll admit my
I mean, my parents. This is the stuff they've said
to my face, like they don't need to text it.
This is just like how they've spoken to me since
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I can remember. But I've actually had an experience where
my parents, I'll just say my parents. My parent likes
to get into a lot of arguments with folks on
social media.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
For some reason, a drama addict. You.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean, you know that you've known of this? Oh yeah, yeah,
so this this person my parents loves to engage in
these arguments, and they create fake profiles to like stalk
people and bully them because they often get blocked right
from people for sending messages.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Sure, just go get one of the other profiles and
come back.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah right now, about twenty fifteen or sixteen, I had
this person friend me on Facebook. And I mean, I say,
this person, it was not my parent. It was a
random account, right, it was a man. I didn't recognize
the name. The profile picture was kind of odd. It
looked like a really old picture from like the eighties
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or nineties that had been scanned, you know what I mean.
It wasn't a digital you can tell.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
The clear difference or like you've took a picture of
a picture with your cell phone.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah right, I mean so I was like, okay, weird, Right,
I go ahead and accept the request. Back then, when
I was on Facebook, I would just you know, accept
for friend requests. And it was because of my job.
I you know, was a bit of a public figure, right,
and so I had a name that was recognizable in
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my community. I was a really outspoken kind of person
and writing on the radio whatever. So a lot of
times Anne I was doing burlesque and Derby, so you know,
people would just randomly friend me all the time and
be like, oh, it's because I know I saw you
play Derby or you know whatever, right, because look at me,
I'm so famous. Yeah, so cool. No, but I would
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just randomly accept friend request from people because it was
you know, it usually turned out to be something, right,
like networking or whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, if not, just get rid of them. Yeah, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, yeah, So I had friend of this person. I
didn't recognize them, but didn't think anything about it. And
then I had gone to this derby tournament with my
team and we had posed in front of you know,
like when you go to an event, they'll have it's
almost like the little red carpet set up with the
big screen behind that'scot whatever the event is.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Boever.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, people like to take a picture in front of that.
So I had a pose with like some folks in
front of this sign and had posted this picture on
you know, Facebook, this random account. I'll just say the
first name was Mark. I remember that. I actually know
the whole name, but it was a guy. Mark started
commenting under it, like your hair looks like shit.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
You said, like instantly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Because my hair was red at the time, and yeah
it was like this fire engine red. I color my
hair a lot, but they were like, your hair looks
like shit. And then immediately start sending me dms telling
me like, you're ugly, your hair looks like shit, you
should kill yourself.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh and that Owen wanted to put is gone by
my head.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
And I think about my creamy fingers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yea, Yeah, Owen's got my fingers. He's creaming me right now.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yes, Owen wants me, not you. Dylan is after me,
not you, and I hadn't even met you yet, so
that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
It makes sense at the time, yeah, but now.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's come full circles that it makes sense to me.
So anyway, I was just like, Okay, great, you have
a nice day, and like block this person, Like what
the fuck? It was confirmed to me because my parents
and us have these multiple Facebook accounts that that was
actually one of the accounts they used. So it was
my own parent catfishing me.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Somebody knew for a fact that was one of the
face one of your quote unquote parents fake face. So
it's definite, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, you know, it's funny. At the time, I had
this deep suspicion that that was the case, because there
was no one else in my life who would talk
to me like that or be so angry with me
or just hate me that much, right sad.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I mean not sure.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I've got haters out there. They like to leave one
star reviews sometimes whatever, But yeah, I kind of felt
like I knew this is probably this person. But then
it was confirmed that's messed up, and I just had
to laugh it off. And when the person told me,
we just laughed because we're like, yeah, right, gosh.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So the only thing I have gathered from this is
my parent is probably watching this documentary because it's so
popular and just sad and angry that they did not
have access to a cell phone with texting capability back
in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, that she was sad that social media didn't exist
back then, so she could have used it against that parent.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sex the parent. That
parent could use it against you. Yeah, and it's really
we're laughing, but it's kind of sad. Well, it's just
fuck her even back then.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Why would you like what? Why do you care so
much that you take the steps to do this just
to be an asshole?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, I know it's weird.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
When someone's no contact with you, but you take all
these additional steps to have some kind of contact, even
if it's leading to a situation where you know you're
just gonna get blocked.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Again, Right, But you got that once for that one,
so she.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Got to have that thrill of I've made contact. It's
really strange.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
No, look, and I know what it is. I've seen this,
not exactly like that, because that's really messed up that
when someone, even when it happened, you had a sneaking
suspicion because that's the only person in your life who's
ever been that to you.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I told you the story before, so it wasn't just
like we were watching this and I said, hey, I mean,
I'm pretty sure you you've known this story for quite
a while.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
No, I've known the story. And honestly, we could do
an episode on the fucked up things that either of
your parents have ever done or said to you. No, really,
it's it's fun, it's messed up, and it's really not okay.
But maybe we'll do that for patrons. If we want
to have like a you know what do they call
that the trauma dump, we can have a therapy, So
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we'll have a trauma dump together behind the pay while there.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Don't even know if people would believe it, but some
of it's I can't believe because some of it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Right, But but this is I've seen this obsession up
close in a way with your own children about controlling
you know, trying to, even to this day, trying to
make them do exactly what you think.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
They're an adult, even as an adult, you're still trying
to exert some kind of controller.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yes, And it's very strange, and I think I think
it ties back into I said it before, narcissism. It's
the extreme narcissists that see their children as an extension
of themselves or just as simply as property or a
possession and not an autonomous person. Yeah, and that's what
it all goes back to.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That was someone who's experienced this. There is a turning
point in my childhood where I felt like I started
to become my own person, have my own autonomy, have
my own understanding and opinions of growing up, right, And
that seemed to be a real turning point for when
things really took, you know, kind of took a turn.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
For the worst, right.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But then even before that, there were certain things that
happened that maybe I was just too young to consider
or recognize. But it definitely seems like when a child
in this situation starts to become their own person and
have their own ideas and thoughts, that that's when the
parent really like latches on and and starts like they
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just can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
They don't want you to have your own thoughts and
opinions and ideas.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, no, they can't allow that, which.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Almost makes me feel like maybe this is what Lauren's
mom was doing, because it seems like she was at
a certain age where she's kind of doing her own thing,
having her own life. She's got a boyfriend. Mom's not
number one in her world anymore, and Mom can't stand it,
so she has to start this campaign of harassment so
that again she's the top dog, the number one parent.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Well, look, it's very easy to.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
She's you know, she's inserting herself in the situation that
she's creating. Yeah, she's able to get attention from other parents.
It's a big deal. She's kind of caught in the
middle of it. And in the end, it's a situation
she created for that purpose because she wanted I think
she wanted that attention.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
No, it's very easy. I think. Okay, here to wrap
it up, we will go ahead and diagnose Kendra as
a narcissist, and I think we can a lot of
us can agree. Anyone's who's ever ELP with a person
like this which is probably highly likely. It seems to
be fairly common uh situations.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I say that term gets thrown around a lot.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I'm talking about the real narciss but well, I know, but.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I'm saying I think that term does get thrown around
a lot. But I also think that now that we
have social media, people are more educated about mental health.
They say that because they have lived with a person
like this, so they've experienced it, and they're like, wait,
they meet all these standards. So even if that person
(53:31):
in your life you think is a narcissist has never
been diagnosed, I mean, it's pretty easy to do check
marks and be like, well, hey, they got like nine
out of ten of these qualities, so well.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, we can check them off. Here. We got control
of your daughter in the situation and multiple other people.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
We have the manipulation, manipulation we have on this front
of like I'm the best, I'm awesome.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
The seeking attention seeking behavior.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
I'm super mom, I'm pta, I'm.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
The coach, and the willingness to uh the finances up
and betray her husband and not care how it affects
him or makes him feel, or how it makes her
affects her daughter or any of that. I mean, it's
all there. It's all there. And this is the kind
of destructive crazy stuff interested.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
In a very young boy who's interested in her daughter. Yeah,
she's jealous of her daughter.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
And a number one trait of a full blown mega
narcissist is believing their own bullshit. Yeah, and I believe
she believes that that bullshit she spewed in the end.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
About her herself. That's why she did it, all right,
But she's a lion, asked, hooe, we know all right.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
So here we are at the end of our episode
on unknown Caller movie Club. Out for everybody and number
ann number. Oh, yes, unknown number. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Oh my gosh, did you get another one of those
weird text messages?
Speaker 1 (54:51):
No, you quit sending me. They're not anonymous, because it
literally says wifey when it comes up.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
No, they're anonymous.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Somebody spoofed your account, someone.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Has stolen identity.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Now. You spent the entire evening last night, yesterday, trying
to convince me that I smelled like poop, and I
knew I didn't because I was clean and I even.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Won you were clean.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, but I went and showered again just in case.
Maybe I missed something or I wasn't you know, and
used to set it again after I showered for like
the second time that day in ten hours, and I
knew I was fairly certain I didn't smell like poop.
But I started wavering after a while.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, I'm not gaslighting you. Yeah, okay, Look, you know
I'm always fucking with you. I actually admitted a plan
that I had, like a prank to you. I was like, look,
I've been thinking about doing this for a while, but
i've just so I'm going to tell you about it.
When we karaoke at home. My plan was to sing, like,
(55:52):
just pick this really terrible song and then just keep
singing it every time it's my turn. See how you
would react, like, because I feel like I know you,
and you would be like trying to be positive and
so you'd be like, maybe you're getting better every time
or something.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Like that, Yeah, you're going to do this in public?
Is this why you're practicing?
Speaker 2 (56:10):
But then I'm wondering as well if eventually you would
just be like what the hell? Like, why do you
keep singing the same song at home?
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I'd say about the maybe fourth or fifth time, Yeah,
this is too much.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
So if I do like Skyrockets in Flight Afternoons to Night,
the Starlin Vocal Group or whatever, you're gonna ask me why?
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yes? Eventually?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
I mean, this is just a day in the life
of Dylan.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, I see what I deal with.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Our marriage is very exciting.
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So thank you for everyone listening, And yeah, what are
you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I don't know, but I've recently learned that Owen is
breaking up with me. Ah, I'm really sad about it. Yeah,
he must be want to I guess that means tomorrow
morning he's not gonna meet me by my locker at school.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, he keeps coming to you ask him to smell
smell his fingers. It's weird. What Yeah, I know, it's weird.
That's what Owen's going to do tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
That doesn't make any sense. Okay, Dylan, we're gonna wrap
it up now, all right, Bye bye,
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders Movie Club.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Movie Club Now, Dylan. Well, first of all, I'm Heather
and I'm Dylan. Hey, hey, I know you. First of all,
we oftentimes reserve our movie club for Patreon for patrons only.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
It's true.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
This true crime documentary I'm talking about Netflix's unknown number,
the High School Catfish, has everybody talking. I mean, it
is all over social media. Folks are floored thanks to
a jaw dropping revelation that no one saw coming.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
It was a pretty good twist.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
You think so, I think so, Dylan. Let's get into it. So.
The new documentary centers on Beal City, Michigan, a teenager
named Lauren Lacari and her boyfriend Owen McKinny. Now, this
young couple starts receiving a flood of vulgar, threatening, harassing
(01:04):
text messages. This starts in twenty twenty and then again
in the fall of twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Yeah, and the doc opens up with a simple statement
which kind of really sets the tone for the entire
run of the show. All these texts you will see
are one true from transcripts of investigators, and the text
along the way kind of just blow me away. It
(01:34):
really does.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, now we are all aware. I think that cyber
bullying is a problem. It's been a problem, and it's
definitely a problem for young people. Back in the day,
you had a bully, they would maybe push you around,
shove you in a locker, give you a little swirly
in the toilet, something like that.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I hate getting swirlyed.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
Have you ever been swirly?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
You think somebody picked my little big ass up?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
No, I would have been the one handing out the
swirlies if I was so inclined.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I got bullied, especially in middle school. Kids are vicious,
so I can only imagine the bullying I received in person.
If they could have done it anonymously, Yeah, it would
have been terrible. And you know, a lot of times
this type of thing leads to young people having depression, anxiety,
(02:24):
their self esteem, plumbents, and it can even result in
these people, these young people, taking their own lives.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Oh no, it's of course. Bullying has been around for
a very you know, since the beginning of human existence
really in some form or another, But in this day
and age, it's almost like you can't escape it, you know,
you don't get a reprieve when you come home or
you know, when you're amongst family and friends. It's like
this because of the social media and the online presence
(02:52):
of everyone, and everything spreads so quickly, and then you
add in people's wanting to video fights and stuff like that.
It's so ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
These messages, sometimes fifty a day, targeted not only the
young couple, but it begins spreading chaos, seeds of discontent, anger,
frustration among their small high school class and out into
the community, getting other parents involved, administrators.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, I mean, I think it's just one of those
cases of the suspicion of who could be doing this,
knowing intimate details and seeming to know, seemingly knowing everything
that's going on, no matter how trivial. It makes people
wonder who's doing it and start thinking about past you know,
(03:46):
problems I've maybe had with someone before who doesn't like me,
things like that. So it really created an atmosphere that,
like you said, kind of drew a big chunk of
the community into it.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Here's an example of a text, please hi, Lauren Owen
is breaking up with you. He no longer likes you
and hasn't liked you for a while, it's obvious he
wants me.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh god, he don't want you.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Remember that TikTok's viral video from like five years ago.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Oh, I remember.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Yeah, it was always some really choice couples.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Because the couples that would take part in that were
pretty rough.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Nobody wanted him, no, we promise or you. Other messages
were even more obscene and sexually explicit. Dylan, I mean,
I'm a vulgar. I'm a vulgar woman, right, you can't
call me a lady. I got a mouth like the potty, right,
I cussed like a sailor. But some of these messages
were so sexually explicit and just I'll say it fucked
(04:51):
up that it had me blushing. And I can't imagine
being a very young person, high school age, right, teenager? Yeah,
I mean that's the thing that they're I mean they're babies, right, yeah,
barely into their teens, receiving these kinds of messages.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
No, And it was almost like they had an element
they were sexual in nature sometimes and just really outright
mean at other times, and just gross. There was also
an element of being kind of gross.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Oh. I got some examples of these gross messages Okay,
here's one. We're both DTF down the book.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
That's right right.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
He will be with me while your lonely, ugly ass
is alone. Damn, it's lonely and alone and the same
and ugly cool. He wants sex, BJ's blow jobs and
making out. He don't want your sorry ass? Uh something
about there was another one referred to Lauren's teenage boyfriends
(05:55):
dicking fingers in my pussy in mouth? Oh yeah, I
mean these are kids. First of all. Who speaks like that?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
They call that PTM?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
And who messages like that when you're fourteen years old? Yeah?
I know I do a message like that and I'm grown,
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
What I mean. No, that's what I'm talking about. It's
just it's it's a lot. And what's funny is I
think unless they were leaving, which I'm sure, which I know,
they left stuff out. I'm just I think most of
the time the victims here Owen, what's the good little
(06:35):
girl's name? I'm sorry, Lauren, Lauren, We're just like, who
is this? You know, what what are you? Who is this?
Why are you doing this? Things like that? And to
just keep getting this uh, this vitriol, this kind of
you know, angry, mean hurtful stuff back that's got to
quickly kind of wear on you as a young person.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Well, Lowenen are Loewen. Lauren and Owen had dated for
two years before these texts started, and they ultimately broke up,
hoping that this would prevent the messages from continuing. Right,
if we just break up, this person will leave us alone.
But no such luck, because the unknown bully texture cyberbully,
(07:21):
started to get even more aggressive despite the fact that
they were no longer together. The bully sent messages that
said things like kill yourself now, bitch. His life would
be better if you were dead. And this was a
message sent when Morn was thirteen.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Another message said dead hashtag bang bang hashtag suicide.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
I mean, what do you even say to that? How
do you even respond to something like that? You know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (07:50):
At first, everyone was a suspect. Classmates, friends, even some
school officials fell under scrutiny. As this harassment escalated, as
we mentioned, and I mean it kind of became a
community issue. The case grew so intense, Dylan that the
FBI got involved. In April of twenty twenty. They actually
had a cyber task Force that tracked down this bully.
(08:14):
They used forensic cyber forensics.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Yeah, because the person doing it were I guess they
thought they were smart enough to not to go undetected,
but they really weren't that many layers to uncover the footsteps.
Once you get the proper authorities, you know, calling subpoening
subpoena knowing, how would you say that subpoening subpoena ing?
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't know is that even a word? It is
now subpoena.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, so that would would subpoena the you know, companies,
the Internet providers, things that like that to get the rest.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
I'm surprised this went as far as getting the FBI
involved in some ways, but I think when you consider
the age of the victims and the amount of harassment,
the number of messages that were coming in, I mean,
the just the suicide, uh you know, implications alone like
(09:13):
kill yourself, right, I mean, I think all of those
things kind of were a good mix for the FBI
to get involved, right, because there's a couple of different
things going on there. Well.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, because at one point I did say to you, wow,
I wish they would put this much energy into maybe
looking for missing people or some you know, maybe Indigenous
women or you know, any of these other groups that
you hear that don't seem to get the proper amount
of tension. But you were quick to point out that
(09:45):
this went on for a very long time, local authorities
invest investigated it to the best of their abilities, and
that it was you know, at young young teens involved,
and these at the end of the day, the these
messages are very cruel and pushing someone bullying them and
(10:06):
then literally saying you should kill yourself. I mean, that's
a lot. It really is.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
It is a lot. Then there's a shocking twist in
the case Dylan, the anonymous texter.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Was drum roll roll. Wait, hold on, that's.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
A terrible drummer. I don't have a drum roll sound.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Okay, I just put insert drum roll.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
I can play like a tiny like a tiny little flute.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Okay. That word.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Who is the anonymous textor doing.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's Lauren's mom, Kendren Lacari, Oh my god, the one
who's been helping one of the key figures helping the investigation,
close friends with Owen's mom, you know, trying to figure
out who's doing this to our kids. It fairly quickly
tracks back to her. Once the FBI gets involved and
(11:08):
gets warrants for records from she was Matt using some
simple program online something like that, and I don't even
think it was as sophisticate as a VPN maybe, but
they very quickly they saw this one recurring number and
they tracked that down and boom, leads right back to
Lauren's mom.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
FBI liaison Bradley Peter discovered that the former basketball coach
and PTA mom had been hiding behind these spoofing apps,
tormenting her daughter for twenty two months, and people were
absolutely shocked because Kendra had always appeared to be like
a really good mom, active involved in her daughter's life.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
And involved in the school, you know community like sports activities,
things like that, you know, a go to kind of
you know te mom if you will, and more than
seventeen thousand texts texts.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Now, what I found really interesting. They include bodycam footage
in the documentary that captures the moment that police show
up at the family's home and arrest Kendra and tell
her like, we have a search more, we're seizing all
of your devices. This was in December of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
Yeah, the jig is up.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Following her rest on two counts of stalking a minor
and two counts of communicating with another to commit a crime.
She pled guilty to the two stalking counts. She was
sentenced up to five years in prison in twenty twenty three,
before being released on parole last summer. Damn, so she's
out again. Sean McCrary. Lauren's dad divorced Kendra in the
(12:46):
aftermath and ended up winning full custody of Lauren, which
I think is appropriate. That's a no this situation.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
It's a no brainer. Be like, do you have any evidence?
Be like, well, hold on one second, your honor, Now.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
What just absolutely cooked my goose. In this doc is
when they interview Kendra and she says this, and this
is a direct quote Dylan. Realistically, a lot of us
probably have broken the law at some point or another
and not gotten caught. I'm sure people drove drunk and
haven't been caught. So she's comparing other people's crimes to
(13:22):
what she did to her own child.
Speaker 1 (13:25):
Me slow rolling through a stop sign because there's no
one around. She's comparing that to what the suffering and
pain she put her you know, pre or her teen
child through.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
She also blamed her behavior on being raped at seventeen
and never fully processing that trauma okay, led her to
say these horrible things to her child.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Okay, Now, so what do you think she.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Had another excuse as well, that this started because she
thought she could get the real Now, she's like, I
I did send like sixteen thousand, nine hundred and ninety
eight of those text messages, but the first two did
come from someone else.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, the first few was not her, But then she
took up the mantle of a cyber investigator and took over,
telling her daughter that she had a flat ass and
nobody wanted her for the next what a couple of
years basically, So maybe that would stir up the nest
and makes maybe the real, yeah, the real cyber bully
(14:34):
to kind of slip up. You know. It's a method
often used by investigators. They call it ringing the bell
and see what happens. He's like undercover, Yeah, she's under cover,
the undercover mother. And now this is really where and
people always sorry, but this.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Woman is absolutely full of fucking shit. I don't believe
anything that comes out of her mouth. She's obviously very
manipulative and has a problem with lying and all the
excuses and reasons that she gives in the documentary like
she somehow undercover. I'm like, that is such bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
And this is where as usual, especially Netflix docs that
kind of make a they're good at putting one together
that makes an impact and kind of blows up. This
is where they get some criticism for allowing her a platform,
platforming her, to let her give a bogus excuse like that,
and really give no follow up question.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You mean the Casey Anthony Edd, no pushback.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
Really, they're just really letting her say this bs and
I can't believe anyone believes what this woman's saying, and
that they were criticized for that, and obviously, per usual,
they were criticizing for leaving out big chunks of the story.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
All right, Dylan, so can you fill us in on
some of these big chunks of story because I'm I'm
unawares the base taking the story that I've seen on
Netflix's face value, So please, okay, Okay.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
So there's an article in the cut, a lengthy article
that really explains a lot of this and for the
most part, every Now, if I will ask you a question.
When they revealed to her daughter own police body cam,
do you notice there wasn't really a strong reaction from
(16:24):
her daughter. Yes, not oh my god, mom? Why right?
This can't be true?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Guess I took that as like the daughters still trying
to like maybe she's in shock.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
Which could be true, right, okay? Or and the father, honestly,
now that I think about it, seemed more pissed off
about the fact that she had not been employed. She'd
been lying to him about being employed the cops that like, no,
she doesn't work there, she got fired from the other job.
He seemed to really be kind of keying in on that,
(16:57):
not the why the hell have you been torturing our right?
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Well, I also think, of course the documentarians are going
to edit it to look a certain way.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Well, no, it's true, because he did seem.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Really fucking mad, and I don't. I mean, he's even
saying like, you need to leave because I don't want
to go to jail. We'll both be in jail.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah, he's like you need to leave before they leave life. Yeah,
or something could happen. But basically the gist of it
is the town already had people in the town in
the know already had suspicions that it was her, because people,
including Owen's parents, had come to realize she seemingly had
(17:36):
an unhealthy relationship or no obsession rather for Owen. The
mom did, Mom did, Yes, She'd gosh, we're okay. So
she keeps showing up to Owen's games after her daughter
breaks up with him, right painting her face. She's his
number one fan. There's one time she even tried to
(18:01):
she tried to go on a vacation with Owen and
his family, and they were like, no, why would you go.
That's weird, like just you, I mean, yeah, you.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
Know, it's interesting. They did not mention any of that
in the doc. Yeah, but I had a feeling that
possibly mom did have some kind of sick interest in
the young boy.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Well yeah, and you have to take into a fact.
You know, Owen started dating a couple of other girls
after he broke up with Lauren, and they started receiving
messages as well. So that right there told me that
there's something more to it. It's not just hating your
own hating or being jealous of your own daughter. Is
actually almost like the problem was connected to Owen you know,
(18:47):
it's really.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Sad about this, Dylan. Aside from the fact that a
mother would do this to her child, to children period,
to minors, to their kids, to anyone, but right is
the aftermath of it. Because Lauren, I mean, she goes
on to say, like she sees Owen in the hallway
and stuff. They don't have any interactions, and Owen went
(19:08):
on to say that he was really mad at Lauren
and he didn't think he'd ever talked to her again
in the future. So mom ruined this friendship between the
two right young people.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah, and that's that's totally messed up.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And it's you know, I mean, I understand, I guess
kind of his frustration, but to blame Lauren. It's not
really her fault that her mom did this. I don't know.
It's just such a sad situation and I cannot wrap
my head around it, Like, what kind of parent does
this to their child?
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Now, it's disgusting behavior, and I just don't understand why
you would ever do this, just that you should be
protecting your children from people like that. So it's I
still can't even fully understand.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
So what were some of the other things that you
learned from the article in the cut.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Uh. Yeah, so there was some weird stuff going on. Really,
you know how hindsight's twenty twenty. But even when this
was happening, I would find it a bit odd, like
she would still go to the Owen's basketball games or
sports events even after her daughter broke up with him,
which you can be like, oh, she's just a school
spirit mom or something like that. And just which and
(20:20):
he said, I think he said in the documentary she
would want to cut his meat up, try to cut
his meat up for him if they were like out
dinner together or having.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
Dinner, Like he's a tiny child.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Well that's not your kid, bud, Well.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
No, but that's that's very weird. No, because by the
time a kid's fourteen fifteen years old, I think they
can be responsible for their own meat.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
Right, was she wanted to be responsible for Owen's meat?
You heard it first here at Mount Murders. She had
a strange obsession with him. I think it's obvious.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
That is very weird.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Gosh, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
It's so like a secret crush.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
That secret crush. And I think they really in the documentary,
I think they count you kind of wonder, but they
certainly don't flesh that out or pursue that avenue with
any type of questioning. But I mean just the sexually
explicit nature of you know, many of the text well,
(21:17):
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
A lot of people have pointed out, and I think
this is an important discussion to have. What if the
roles were reversed and Kendra had been a dad sending
these types of messages to his son's girlfriend. Yeah, right, right,
Because if this were a man, do it performing the
same actions as Kendra. I feel like they would have
(21:39):
been nailed to the damn wall.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
No, it's true, and I think the documentary could it
wouldn't dare take a solt tone with that father? Right?
I think they would be hardline horrors. Yeah, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
In these cases. I do feel like there's a female privilege,
and I know a lot of folks don't like to
recognize that in this world of you know, folks screaming
about equality and whatnot. But if there was true equality
among the genders, these female predators would be treated the
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same as men. And oftentimes we see when it's a
female teacher, and especially if she's like an attractive female teacher,
molesting a student, because let's be honest, that's what they're doing, Yeah,
drooming and engaging in some illicit relationship with an underage kid,
a minor. I mean that's disgusting. And yes, for some reason,
(22:36):
these women seem to get a free pass or it's
that attitude of well is she was my teacher. I mean,
we've talked about this before, it's discussed on the pod,
but I do feel like oftentimes in these cases, women
get a slap on the wrist where a man's life
would be ruined, which I mean, let's be honest, that's
what should happen if you're a creep. But oftentimes, like
(22:59):
the male tea cature gets you know, more time, gets
more of a sentence, his life's ruined, whatever, And these
female teachers almost kind of go on to be a
little many celebrities or something. I think about that. Mary
Kay Laturno, Yeah, true, it was so shocking what she
did back in the nineties. We were very young when
that happened, but I remember that being like a really
(23:20):
big deal. But she almost became like a celebrity, Like
she would appear in tabloids and would be on talk shows,
and people were almost kind of like sympathetic to her situation.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah, like well, you know, they talk about her relationship
and the problems she was having with her husband and
how she was in a dark place.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, it's viewed through this very almost forgiving lens.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
It's disgusting. And also what it does is it minimizes
or it downplays male victims right of this molesting, which
is what it is. There's nothing, no way around it,
and it almost pushes them to the side. And this happens,
you see, it happened in domestic situations if you I've
known people, I've kind of been on the other end
(24:06):
of that in a way of hey, this woman is
doing these you know, dangerous crazy things and you'll have
police kind of law or you know, like you're scared
of the you know, they down they they laugh at you, right,
they don't treat it with a seriousness, like a woman
can't kill a man. I think that, uh, Jody proved,
you know, Jody Airy's proved otherwise on that how dangerous
(24:29):
that situation truly was. And I don't think anyone, including
the victim there, realized it. But yeah, this happens, and
I really think it's uh it's sad because you have
these male victims, young male victims, these kids, and I
don't think if you look out into society when you
have a sea on the internet, imagine being that victim
(24:51):
and you see things like, well, I wish I had
teachers like that, or oh she's hot and all that's this.
This is the discussion of the predator her that did
this to you. And they have feelings and they get
affected in all the same ways or very very similar
ways for the most part as the female victims in
these cases. And it's really disgusting as a society.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Well, as we mentioned before, I mean just simply giving
Kendra a platform right tell her side of the story.
If it were a man, if it were a male perpetrator,
I just don't think they would do that. No. Another
interesting part of the documentary is Kendra's husband is the
name Sean.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
I believe it's Sean, I think so.
Speaker 2 (25:31):
Discussing finances and how Kendra had been responsible for the
family's finances paying bills, she ends up getting them in
deep debt. They're evicted there, all their personal belongings end
up in a storage situation. She's not paying that she's
lying about finances. So one, I'm wondering, like, where's that
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money going that she's not using to pay bills.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
It could be the twelve foot long table of alcohol
that is seen in some scenes in the living room.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Well, I ask you about that. I was like, is
that is that a table of booze? I mean, it
looks like a fully stocked.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Bar, Dude, it looks like and it didn't.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
It's it's a like an entire dining room table. Yeah,
you know, probably what three four feet wide, yeah, six
feet long?
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Yeah, and the bottles are touching.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Each other, like the entire table is covered in alcohol.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Yeah, it looks like something you see at a college
frat house. It just strikes me as kind of odd
for adults that even if you hate, if you're responsible.
I've never been able to build alcohol up like that
because I'm bad to drink everything in the house. But
I've seen people that have, you know, can have make
drinks with friends and keep stuff around and kind of
(26:49):
build up this inventory. It's kind of cool, but just
to have it displayed out like that and such an
immense quantity seems to be a bit odd to me.
And I think she admits to you know, having trouble
with a substances, alcohol and such. But yeah, even her
husband thinks she's working or you know, at fairest state
or quit a job, but she was actually let go.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
So she's just had two jobs. So it turns out
she was let go from both of those around the
same time. And so for like a six month to
year period she's.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Been lying she's getting up and getting ready.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
About having a job.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
I mean, who in the world does I've heard of
this before, you know, like you take, some men can't
admit that they've you know, been fired or lost their job,
and they kind of lie and fake out their family
by getting up and getting ready in the morning with
everyone like normal and going somewhere and spending the day,
spending the day or coming back home when everybody's left
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kind of thing. And I've always thought that's a very
very very strange behavior. I mean, for you to go
through that and not be able to just that level.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
Of manipulation, betrayal, deceit.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah, when I could not imagine, for one, I couldn't
imagine you doing it to me either. Like with the finances,
I like, you you pay all our bills, you keep
everything in order, you're the Well, no, but if all
of a sudden I came home and there was an
eviction notice when I think everything's fine on our door,
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that would be that would floor me.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
That would be absolutely.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Devastating and such a betrayal from your partner, I mean,
or not be able to say, hey, I lost my job,
I got fired or whatever, even if you don't want
to tell them that zact way it went down, which
I could understand in some circumstances, but just it's a
betrayal of trust amongst you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
And your part I've seen some folks on the internet
speculating like did she even have the job at the
college that she claimed?
Speaker 1 (28:54):
Oh? Was that that was a college Ferris First State?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Okay, yeah, some people were so did she even have
that job? Like theirs? Speculation that she never even had
the job, that she lied about getting the job, never
actually had the job. But yeah, if you're in charge
of the finances, it would be fairly easy maybe to
cover up that you're not bringing in income.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Well, see if I know you couldn't do this for
long because in exactly about one week.
Speaker 2 (29:25):
Well I think most people working people a couple of week,
especially in this economy, are not able to skip bills
because most people are living like paycheck to paycheck right right.
They've ran up credit cards, they've blown through savings because
you know, you cannot afford to live nowadays, even with
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a dual income. I mean, it's just we know what's
happening in the world, so it would be really hard. Well,
in our situation, it would be really difficult to lie
to you about the stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yeah, I'd be like, what do you mean we don't
have sixty dollars in the bank to get through next week.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
It's terrible. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (30:04):
What do you mean we can't go get a sun
joy from a Chick fil A? What's going on here?
What are we doing?
Speaker 2 (30:12):
My brain would never allow me to not pay bills. Plus,
I'm just wondering where's that money going? What's she doing
with that money besides paying these bills.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, well that's a great question. I mean, is she
drinking that much? I mean, because alcohol, it can be
depending on what you're drinking, can be fairly expensive habit.
I think oftentimes it gets downplayed. You hear about like, oh,
cocaine heroin will take all your money, but alcohol will too.
At one point, I was drinking more than I should.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's really expensive to drink out, like if you're drinking, Yeah,
it's a little more affordable to drink at home, but
that adds up. I mean if you're looking at what
twenty to thirty dollars a.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
Bottle, depending it could be.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
Ten dollars, well, depending on I'm just thinking, Okay, so
that's what maybe a mid mid level alcohol. You're buying
that multiple times a week. I mean that adds up
after a while.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Well, I've done it with beer. You know, that six pack,
that twelve pack, you know every day every other day.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
That craft beer money, but that that.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Gets it spent. Yeah, craft beer really really elevated the
beer market.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I'm just curious when like shitty beer got expensive because
I've always been like a PBR girl, Like I don't
care to drink the shitty beer. That's my that's my
go to if I'm having beer. And you once upon
a time, kid a six pack of PBR for like
two fifty Yeah, and now PBR is like almost as
much as a craft beer. It's crazy to me, like
(31:38):
when did that become a thing.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well, for one thing I want, I always it was
like uh, with PBR, but I've had a few in
the past year, you know.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Because it's think it's just a very beer. I'm thinking
it not shitty beer. It's a beer. It tastes like
what beer is supposed to taste.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
It tastes on my beer. It makes you feel the
next day exactly like I call it a lake beer,
a maintenance beer. Something you could go with your friends
and drink all day, drink all day at the lake
without being totally, you know, trashed, or you can stop
drinking it in about an hour or two later you're
not you know, that intoxicated anymore. But uh, yeah, it's
(32:16):
a solid beer. But no, it's popular now. It's kind
of funny it is.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
No, yeah, you can get PBR or where's the Slits.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
My other favorite is National Bohemian Natty Bow. It's a
Maryland beer. Can't always find it in the South.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
I have never seen that anywhere I've.
Speaker 2 (32:35):
Bought it before. Okay, they used to have it at Pj's,
our beer store, all right.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
So yeah, that's a big question. Where was the money going, Kendra?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Where was the money going? And it's just so interesting
to me because it seems like she is manipulative on
multiple fronts. It's not just this instance with her daughter,
but it seems like in many aspects of her life,
she's lying, she's manipulating, she's trying to control the situation.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
She's catfishing her husband on finance, and she's not very
good at it. No.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
And I'm also like, bro, if your wife gets you evicted,
and he's like speaking very like longingly about some of
his items that I guess got when they got the
storage building and then didn't pay it and those items
get auctioned off or whatever, He's like, well, this is
stuff from when I was a kid and tools for
(33:27):
my job. And so I'm like, okay, So if that happens,
then why are you going to continue to allow her
to be in charge of the finances?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Dude? If I have to put my items, everything in
a rushed manner all of a sudden into storage.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
I'm paying that one hundred dollars.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
Storage because of an eviction notice. I didn't know what
was coming. You're done. You're not making the payments anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
I mean, if this were a child, you're not going
to continue to let them be do something when they
get in trouble, right, you're not going to continue to
let them have the responsibility or this kind of privilege, right,
So why are you gonna let your wife? I mean,
I'm sorry, but you gotta treat Kendrell like she's a kid, like.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
You ate all the cookies, but here's a new pack
of cookiees.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
And she does not seem like the brightest Yeah, she
does not seem like the best and brightest Kendra. She
was a little dumb.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Well again, I don't they allowed many people have a
issue with them allowing her to kind of just give
this bullshit tell me about she was trying to ferret out
or investigate.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
Or blame it on that she was assaulted when she
was a teenager. Yeah, somehow that makes you terrorize your
child like that doesn't even make sense.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
That doesn't make sense, And that's a slap in the
face to victims of assault.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
In everything that are great parents.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That are great parents that have dealt with that.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Protect their children, would never do something like this, right.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
It's ridiculous. They didn't have any pushback on her bullshit
excuses there at the very end. And you know a
lot of people also wondered why she took part of
it because I mean, it's still not a great look, right, Yeah,
and the shocking reveal, which is really what they wanted.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Well, her cousin spoke at length about Kendra, Kendra's personality,
and she made it very clear that Kendra was like
desperate for attention. She was like, if we were here
having this interview, it looked like they were in a bar,
Kendra would be over there dancing, trying to get attention.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Trying to get everybody to look at her.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
To me, yeah, so it sounds like she has an issue,
like she needs attention. She's doing the interview because any
attention is good. It's like, I mean again, it's like
a little kid, like it seeks attention through negative behavior.
You know.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Well, no, I think this kid. Explained why they kind
of softballed her there at the end because she was
back and forth. She definitely waffled on being a part
of it, but they really wanted her to be obviously
for the big reveal, to have her in the beginning.
Talked about, oh, we didn't know what was happening, which
was totally fucking kind of weird to me, and they
(36:01):
were like, it's going forward with or without you. Everyone
else is on board. And then she decided They're kind
of like, we'll let you kind of say your peace
here in the end of it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
I would have so much more respect for this woman
if she would just own up to what she did, apologize,
and not try to make these bs excuses.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
No, she'd be like, look.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
Explain the behavior. I'd just be like, I don't know
why I did it. I'm a fucked up person. I apologize, you.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Know, no totally. If her tone had been that, my
daughter can never forgive me for this. I betrayed my husband.
This whole thing is terrible. What I did to Owen
is so wrong, and I don't know what I mean.
If you won't go so far as saying I was
hot for Owen, which I think is the case, seeing
(36:48):
how she harassed even girls that after her daughter that
Owen talked to and their families, you said.
Speaker 2 (36:54):
She would go to game like even after Lauren and
Owen broke up, she would continue to go to athletic
and sporting events like supporting.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
Him face paint, go oh and all that. It's very weird.
It's kind of weird weird.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
I couldn't even get my parents to come to my events.
Can imagine like getting them to go to someone else's.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well, I can imagine going to some other kids, Like.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
I could even get my own parents to come watch me.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh my gosh. Well I had a couple of years,
a couple of years of band. Band is tough. It's tough.
You were a Yeah, I was a band parent there,
and my son was really good. It was like second
chair on the trumpet.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Oh he played the trumpet.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah, spenser ass trumpet. You know, went and got them
to the high dollar one, the nice one or whatever.
All rented it. You know how that goes finally paid
it off.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Well, yeah, but I think that's how it works for
a lot of parents.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Well yeah, no, oh, it's a whole You rent an instrument. Yeah,
that's a whole thing. It's an industry.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
It's rent to own or whatever. You pay payments on
it because most people can't afford to drop like five
grand on a trumpet or a tube or something.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And uh, you know, you gotta go set through the concerts.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
And yeah, there's a lot of concerts.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
Well, and you have to wait for to see your
child perform.
Speaker 2 (38:10):
Then there's marching bands. If they do marching band, then
you have to go to all the games and that's
football and basketball season, right, you know that was a.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Good way to get your kid a scholarship for a
college band is to have them play get even decent
at an obscure instrument. Right. Everybody wants drums, you know, trumpet,
the kind of flashy things, but when you get into
the tuba, which is hard work. If I played a xylophone, obo,
(38:38):
I mean you got to think of what the woodwinds
are good?
Speaker 2 (38:40):
Clarinet's alira, Yeah, I don't know anything about it to.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Be like, look, my son is like first chair on
the harp, right, boons. It's a free ride, bro free
ride through college.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I knew a lot of folks who were in band.
I had some friends in band, and I didn't know
quite a few who went on to play in college,
you know, play college band. But I remember it was
like a big thing because you had like band concerts
and then if you were a member of like the
jazz ensemble or the jazz concert band. Yeah, it seemed
and they were like multiple different kinds of band you
(39:10):
could be part of like concert band, jazz bands, marching bands,
and then some people are involved in all of that. Yeah,
So you were doing a lot of band concerts.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
So I feel for anyone, any of the listeners listening
right now has a kid in band. Hey, it's great.
I know you love your kid, but I feel your
pain when you're sitting through these man I give.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
So my kids have never really wanted to be involved
in things. I guess they get that like whole Groucho
Marx attitude for me, that they don't ever want to
be a member of something that would have them as
a member, right right, Like, my daughter wasn't really into sports.
She was so good at soccer and she hated it.
She's very athlete when she was young, Like she as
(39:53):
little kids and you know, they're just running around out there.
They don't know what the hell they're doing. She was
really good at it. We were like, how the hell
does she know how to play soccer? She's awesome, right,
she hated it. We could not get her to play soccer, dance,
I mean we tried multiple things, but she was never
into any of those things. So by the time she's
in high school, you know, she's doing art like art club,
(40:14):
but other than that, you know, she didn't really do events.
My son doesn't either. But these parents who are involved
in band and sports and multiple clubs, and they're always
ushering their kids around chauffeuring them. Parents have to go
attend you know, two or three events a week.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Prepractices, whatever finance it.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
Those parents are the hero parents. Let's be honest, because
I know we got some of y'all out there and
you're stretched so thin, but you do all this. You juggle,
You manage to get your kids to the things they love,
and y'all deserve a big pat on the back. You
really do so much work and then you have to
sit through all the stuff. And I know you love
(40:55):
your kid, but come on, you can admit it. You
don't like it up at eight o'clock on a Saturday
morning to go to like a ball.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
Tournament, not every Saturday, and for.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
Six seven hours. No, I know you, I know that
gets your butt hurts. You probably don't have the most
comfortable seating, you know, defensive. So my hat's off to y'all.
Speaker 1 (41:15):
They have to travel to the tournament. It's a lot
of times regional hour two three away. We travel ball
and pay.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
To get it taking like just little league or you know,
they play for the school. But then you get into
the travel ball stuff too. Y'all are spending money or
you know, your entire weekend is devoted to softball, football whatever, basketball.
Like I said, hats off to.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
Y'all, Hats off to you. And all heroes do not
wear capes.
Speaker 2 (41:42):
Yeah, all your parents struggling through that coral concert.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
It's true. All right. Oh and one more little tidbit.
Speaker 2 (41:49):
Because we got this, yeah tidbit of stealing.
Speaker 1 (41:52):
This doc was nothing but tea. And I think that's
kind of why people.
Speaker 2 (41:56):
Are like, what, yeah, we love some tea.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Can't look away. So apparently they're in the town. It
seemed to be a smaller town. They have big Halloween
party amongst parents, and you know, just a group of
people that do it all the time, like.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
The end of hocus Pocus, that big Halloween party.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Yes exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
I mean, Dylan watched that yesterident. You don't like hocus Pocus.
I mean you were like, basically you said, I'm tolerating
this because I know you love it.
Speaker 1 (42:23):
Well, honey, it's every I've seen it like twice a
year since I met you, so from start.
Speaker 2 (42:28):
To f Well, we should watch it more than that,
because it's great.
Speaker 1 (42:30):
It's a good movie. But I mean, come on, it's
not even what did I say? I said, it's not
even October yet.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (42:37):
So but anyway, so they have this big Halloween party
and one of the Tammy, one of the parents, dressed
up as Kendra. After all this came out and she
was convicted, dressed up as her for Halloween. She wore
a scarecrow costume with Kendra's mugshot like tape and a mask.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
She made a mask of a smugshot. Yes, that's the
level of trolling that I aspire to, right there. I
love it.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Okay, So I think we've said about all we can
about Unknown Number.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
Well, I don't know, Dylan, because watching this documentary stirred
up some personal feelings for me.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
Well, I was going to segue into that I want
you to kind.
Speaker 2 (43:22):
Of because you continue to get these text messages where
someone's like you smell like fart and they're anonymous, and
you're like, who's sending these to me?
Speaker 1 (43:30):
Well? No, I actually, on a serious note, I knew
that you could draw a para because people, your first
thought's going to be, how can you do this to
your own child? How can you be a jealous, be
hateful and mean and tell your own child, all these
kinds of things, and honestly, I think you kind of
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can relate to that. Well.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Look, I know I bring up my past a lot
on the pod and people are probably like, one, don't
believe me, because there's just so much weird shit, right,
But I've had an interesting, colorful life. I'll admit my
I mean, my parents. This is the stuff they've said
to my face, like they don't need to text it.
This is just like how they've spoken to me since
(44:15):
I can remember. But I've actually had an experience where
my parents, I'll just say my parents. My parent likes
to get into a lot of arguments with folks on
social media.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
For some reason, a drama addict. You.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I mean, you know that you've known of this? Oh yeah, yeah,
so this this person my parents loves to engage in
these arguments, and they create fake profiles to like stalk
people and bully them because they often get blocked right
from people for sending messages.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Sure, just go get one of the other profiles and
come back.
Speaker 2 (44:57):
Yeah right now, about twenty fifteen or sixteen, I had
this person friend me on Facebook. And I mean, I say,
this person, it was not my parent. It was a
random account, right, it was a man. I didn't recognize
the name. The profile picture was kind of odd. It
looked like a really old picture from like the eighties
(45:18):
or nineties that had been scanned, you know what I mean.
It wasn't a digital you can tell.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
The clear difference or like you've took a picture of
a picture with your cell phone.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
Yeah right, I mean so I was like, okay, weird, Right,
I go ahead and accept the request. Back then, when
I was on Facebook, I would just you know, accept
for friend requests. And it was because of my job.
I you know, was a bit of a public figure, right,
and so I had a name that was recognizable in
(45:47):
my community. I was a really outspoken kind of person
and writing on the radio whatever. So a lot of
times Anne I was doing burlesque and Derby, so you know,
people would just randomly friend me all the time and
be like, oh, it's because I know I saw you
play Derby or you know whatever, right, because look at me,
I'm so famous. Yeah, so cool. No, but I would
(46:10):
just randomly accept friend request from people because it was
you know, it usually turned out to be something, right,
like networking or whatever.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
Yeah, if not, just get rid of them. Yeah, I
get it.
Speaker 2 (46:18):
Yeah, yeah, So I had friend of this person. I
didn't recognize them, but didn't think anything about it. And
then I had gone to this derby tournament with my
team and we had posed in front of you know,
like when you go to an event, they'll have it's
almost like the little red carpet set up with the
big screen behind that'scot whatever the event is.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
Boever.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
Yeah, people like to take a picture in front of that.
So I had a pose with like some folks in
front of this sign and had posted this picture on
you know, Facebook, this random account. I'll just say the
first name was Mark. I remember that. I actually know
the whole name, but it was a guy. Mark started
commenting under it, like your hair looks like shit.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
You said, like instantly, yeah.
Speaker 2 (47:02):
Because my hair was red at the time, and yeah
it was like this fire engine red. I color my
hair a lot, but they were like, your hair looks
like shit. And then immediately start sending me dms telling
me like, you're ugly, your hair looks like shit, you
should kill yourself.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Oh and that Owen wanted to put is gone by
my head.
Speaker 2 (47:20):
And I think about my creamy fingers or whatever.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yea, Yeah, Owen's got my fingers. He's creaming me right now.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Yes, Owen wants me, not you. Dylan is after me,
not you, and I hadn't even met you yet, so
that's kind of crazy.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
It makes sense at the time, yeah, but now.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
It's come full circles that it makes sense to me.
So anyway, I was just like, Okay, great, you have
a nice day, and like block this person, Like what
the fuck? It was confirmed to me because my parents
and us have these multiple Facebook accounts that that was
actually one of the accounts they used. So it was
my own parent catfishing me.
Speaker 1 (47:56):
Somebody knew for a fact that was one of the
face one of your quote unquote parents fake face. So
it's definite, there's no question about it.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
Well, you know, it's funny. At the time, I had
this deep suspicion that that was the case, because there
was no one else in my life who would talk
to me like that or be so angry with me
or just hate me that much, right sad.
Speaker 1 (48:20):
I mean not sure.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
I've got haters out there. They like to leave one
star reviews sometimes whatever, But yeah, I kind of felt
like I knew this is probably this person. But then
it was confirmed that's messed up, and I just had
to laugh it off. And when the person told me,
we just laughed because we're like, yeah, right, gosh.
Speaker 1 (48:43):
You know.
Speaker 2 (48:44):
So the only thing I have gathered from this is
my parent is probably watching this documentary because it's so
popular and just sad and angry that they did not
have access to a cell phone with texting capability back
in the nineties.
Speaker 1 (48:57):
Yeah, that she was sad that social media didn't exist
back then, so she could have used it against that parent.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to sex the parent. That
parent could use it against you. Yeah, and it's really
we're laughing, but it's kind of sad. Well, it's just
fuck her even back then.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
Why would you like what? Why do you care so
much that you take the steps to do this just
to be an asshole?
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah, I know it's weird.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
When someone's no contact with you, but you take all
these additional steps to have some kind of contact, even
if it's leading to a situation where you know you're
just gonna get blocked.
Speaker 1 (49:38):
Again, Right, But you got that once for that one,
so she.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Got to have that thrill of I've made contact. It's
really strange.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
No, look, and I know what it is. I've seen this,
not exactly like that, because that's really messed up that
when someone, even when it happened, you had a sneaking
suspicion because that's the only person in your life who's
ever been that to you.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
I told you the story before, so it wasn't just
like we were watching this and I said, hey, I mean,
I'm pretty sure you you've known this story for quite
a while.
Speaker 1 (50:09):
No, I've known the story. And honestly, we could do
an episode on the fucked up things that either of
your parents have ever done or said to you. No, really,
it's it's fun, it's messed up, and it's really not okay.
But maybe we'll do that for patrons. If we want
to have like a you know what do they call
that the trauma dump, we can have a therapy, So
(50:31):
we'll have a trauma dump together behind the pay while there.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
Don't even know if people would believe it, but some
of it's I can't believe because some of it's so unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Right, But but this is I've seen this obsession up
close in a way with your own children about controlling
you know, trying to, even to this day, trying to
make them do exactly what you think.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
They're an adult, even as an adult, you're still trying
to exert some kind of controller.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yes, And it's very strange, and I think I think
it ties back into I said it before, narcissism. It's
the extreme narcissists that see their children as an extension
of themselves or just as simply as property or a
possession and not an autonomous person. Yeah, and that's what
it all goes back to.
Speaker 2 (51:16):
That was someone who's experienced this. There is a turning
point in my childhood where I felt like I started
to become my own person, have my own autonomy, have
my own understanding and opinions of growing up, right, And
that seemed to be a real turning point for when
things really took, you know, kind of took a turn.
Speaker 1 (51:38):
For the worst, right.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
But then even before that, there were certain things that
happened that maybe I was just too young to consider
or recognize. But it definitely seems like when a child
in this situation starts to become their own person and
have their own ideas and thoughts, that that's when the
parent really like latches on and and starts like they
(52:01):
just can't stand it.
Speaker 1 (52:02):
They can't.
Speaker 2 (52:03):
They don't want you to have your own thoughts and
opinions and ideas.
Speaker 1 (52:06):
Yeah, no, they can't allow that, which.
Speaker 2 (52:08):
Almost makes me feel like maybe this is what Lauren's
mom was doing, because it seems like she was at
a certain age where she's kind of doing her own thing,
having her own life. She's got a boyfriend. Mom's not
number one in her world anymore, and Mom can't stand it,
so she has to start this campaign of harassment so
that again she's the top dog, the number one parent.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
Well, look, it's very easy to.
Speaker 2 (52:32):
She's you know, she's inserting herself in the situation that
she's creating. Yeah, she's able to get attention from other parents.
It's a big deal. She's kind of caught in the
middle of it. And in the end, it's a situation
she created for that purpose because she wanted I think
she wanted that attention.
Speaker 1 (52:50):
No, it's very easy. I think. Okay, here to wrap
it up, we will go ahead and diagnose Kendra as
a narcissist, and I think we can a lot of
us can agree. Anyone's who's ever ELP with a person
like this which is probably highly likely. It seems to
be fairly common uh situations.
Speaker 2 (53:06):
I say that term gets thrown around a lot.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
I'm talking about the real narciss but well, I know, but.
Speaker 2 (53:11):
I'm saying I think that term does get thrown around
a lot. But I also think that now that we
have social media, people are more educated about mental health.
They say that because they have lived with a person
like this, so they've experienced it, and they're like, wait,
they meet all these standards. So even if that person
(53:31):
in your life you think is a narcissist has never
been diagnosed, I mean, it's pretty easy to do check
marks and be like, well, hey, they got like nine
out of ten of these qualities, so well.
Speaker 1 (53:40):
Yeah, we can check them off. Here. We got control
of your daughter in the situation and multiple other people.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
We have the manipulation, manipulation we have on this front
of like I'm the best, I'm awesome.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
The seeking attention seeking behavior.
Speaker 2 (53:54):
I'm super mom, I'm pta, I'm.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
The coach, and the willingness to uh the finances up
and betray her husband and not care how it affects
him or makes him feel, or how it makes her
affects her daughter or any of that. I mean, it's
all there. It's all there. And this is the kind
of destructive crazy stuff interested.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
In a very young boy who's interested in her daughter. Yeah,
she's jealous of her daughter.
Speaker 1 (54:20):
And a number one trait of a full blown mega
narcissist is believing their own bullshit. Yeah, and I believe
she believes that that bullshit she spewed in the end.
Speaker 2 (54:31):
About her herself. That's why she did it, all right,
But she's a lion, asked, hooe, we know all right.
Speaker 1 (54:37):
So here we are at the end of our episode
on unknown Caller movie Club. Out for everybody and number
ann number. Oh, yes, unknown number. Sorry about that.
Speaker 2 (54:48):
Oh my gosh, did you get another one of those
weird text messages?
Speaker 1 (54:51):
No, you quit sending me. They're not anonymous, because it
literally says wifey when it comes up.
Speaker 2 (54:56):
No, they're anonymous.
Speaker 1 (54:57):
Somebody spoofed your account, someone.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
Has stolen identity.
Speaker 1 (55:01):
Now. You spent the entire evening last night, yesterday, trying
to convince me that I smelled like poop, and I
knew I didn't because I was clean and I even.
Speaker 2 (55:11):
Won you were clean.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
Yeah, but I went and showered again just in case.
Maybe I missed something or I wasn't you know, and
used to set it again after I showered for like
the second time that day in ten hours, and I
knew I was fairly certain I didn't smell like poop.
But I started wavering after a while.
Speaker 2 (55:31):
Yeah, I'm not gaslighting you. Yeah, okay, Look, you know
I'm always fucking with you. I actually admitted a plan
that I had, like a prank to you. I was like, look,
I've been thinking about doing this for a while, but
i've just so I'm going to tell you about it.
When we karaoke at home. My plan was to sing, like,
(55:52):
just pick this really terrible song and then just keep
singing it every time it's my turn. See how you
would react, like, because I feel like I know you,
and you would be like trying to be positive and
so you'd be like, maybe you're getting better every time
or something.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
Like that, Yeah, you're going to do this in public?
Is this why you're practicing?
Speaker 2 (56:10):
But then I'm wondering as well if eventually you would
just be like what the hell? Like, why do you
keep singing the same song at home?
Speaker 1 (56:16):
I'd say about the maybe fourth or fifth time, Yeah,
this is too much.
Speaker 2 (56:20):
So if I do like Skyrockets in Flight Afternoons to Night,
the Starlin Vocal Group or whatever, you're gonna ask me why?
Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yes? Eventually?
Speaker 2 (56:30):
I mean, this is just a day in the life
of Dylan.
Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, I see what I deal with.
Speaker 2 (56:35):
Our marriage is very exciting.
Speaker 1 (56:37):
Yeah, are you not entertained completely? And if you enjoyed
this movie club, you can find more episodes very much,
very similar to this at patreon dot COM's Forward slash
Mountain Murders podcast. Is that right? That's right? Right? You
say it?
Speaker 2 (56:57):
Okay, Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 1 (56:59):
Patreon Forward Slash Mountain Mers podcast. You can become a
patron for a very very small amount of money and
get tons of extra content, content content you want, and more,
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extra content and everything will be ad free. So why not?
(57:21):
So thank you for everyone listening, And yeah, what are
you gonna do?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
I don't know, but I've recently learned that Owen is
breaking up with me. Ah, I'm really sad about it. Yeah,
he must be want to I guess that means tomorrow
morning he's not gonna meet me by my locker at school.
Speaker 1 (57:38):
Yeah, he keeps coming to you ask him to smell
smell his fingers. It's weird. What Yeah, I know, it's weird.
That's what Owen's going to do tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (57:46):
That doesn't make any sense. Okay, Dylan, we're gonna wrap
it up now, all right, Bye bye,
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