October 19, 2025 • 40 mins
This week on Mountain Murders, we’re heading deep into the Australian Outback to explore the terrifying story behind Wolf Creek. The chilling film was inspired by the real-life crimes of Ivan Milat — the Backpacker Killer — whose brutal murders shocked the world.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Heather and I'm Dylan.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Dylan, are you ready to get back into our
spooky mood?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes? I am. I never got out of it.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You never got out of the spooky movie.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I've been scared this whole time.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know what, We saw this like twelve foot creature
of the Night vampire animatronic at Low's yesterday. Yeah, it
was like two hundred something dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Dude, it was under two fifty. Dude.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's like a great investment. I want it year round.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah. I would just leave it up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah right, it's even better than the twelve foot skeleton.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, it is. It's totally cool. Uh. Some of our
listeners may have already seen it on display in a
Low's near them. When we need to check back after
Halloween and see if it's slashed the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, such bloody slashing prices.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And we'll just put it up for Christmas, put in
a little sah yeaht a Santa head on them, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I like that, Dylan. We are back to discussing horror
films based on true stories or you know, loosely rooted
in a true story.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, and in my opinion, this is one of the
scariest movies to ever be based on true events.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You think so, I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Personally, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Be talking about the two thousand and five film, Australian
horror film Wolf Creek, written and directed by Greg maclin. Now, Dylan,
I find this film to be very visceral, raw terrifying. Yes,
some folks call it a torture like a torture porn movie.
(01:39):
I don't know if I would go that far, because
it definitely doesn't give me hostile vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So in the vein of hostile theresa things like that. Yeah, yes,
And I tell you the first Hostel was. I thought
it was good. It was kind of hard to watch.
Some of the scenes are seeming very realistic and horrible,
and just the idea of being trapped like this and
having people willing to do these things to you is
(02:05):
very terrifying. But after men and I kind of was
over it, you know what I mean, the concept, and
then of course they came out with multiple parts and
things like that. But I would not put this in
this I wouldn't call this torture porn. I would. I
think it's quite different. In my opinion, I think it's
a very intense thriller, psychological thriller. You think so, yeah,
(02:28):
I think it has more elements of that than it does.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I agree, because it reminds me more instead of like
a hostel or Teresta's more in the vein of the
French horror film High Tension.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yes, which.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Is a wow, heart pounding, like intense, non stop thrill ride.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
If you will, oh, once it kicks off in the
movie High Tension, and if our listeners never seen this movie, seek.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It out the French version.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
If you're into the yes, seek out the friend version
this movie. Once it kicks off, it is a polls
pounding ride of I don't even know how.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
To district terror. Yes, sheer terror the entire time.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So here we are with Wolf Creek, one of my
favorite movies. I've seen it many times, same and I
could watch it again right now, And that's how good
of a movie it is, which I think I also
think is surprising for this type of film, right, because
a lot of times when you see a film like
this once is enough. Maybe again sometime later with a
friend who had never seen it. But I would Wolf
(03:31):
Creak's a movie I will stop and watch every time
I see it exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I find it to be a very rewatchable horror film.
Let's get into a Dylan. Our film begins with three backpackers.
We have British best friends, Liz and Christy. They've met
a local along the way named Ben. Ben offers to
take the women to Wolf Creek National Park. They're on
their way to a town called Carnes, but it seems
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that Wolf Creek is maybe not far away from this destination,
so they don't mind, you know, making a day of it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So it's on the way, but you'd have to go
out of your way to get to it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Maybe maybe that kind of thing. But you know, you're
on a road trip, you're backpacking, you're looking for some adventure.
You're willing to go to the little, you know, roadside attractions.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right now, have you ever seen a crater in person?
Because I have not.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I have so Wolf Creek National Park is the site
of a meteorite crash, and it is in the middle
of nowhere, but has now become a bit of a
tourist destination for folks. I have been to a meteor
crash before.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now could you tell it was an impact site and
not just a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Uh. Yeah, it's in Arizona. The meteor where or the
site where I've been. It's meteor Crater, natural landmark. Oh,
it's just outside of Flagstaff, Arizona, about thirty seven miles
or so outside of Flagstaff, okay, eighteen miles west of Winslow, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So it's a much more accessible crater than the one
that they're going to visit.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You might see a girl in a flat bedford slowing
down to take a look at you here. Yeah, it's amazing.
I mean, once you're standing at the top of the
edge of the crater if you will, and you're looking down,
I mean it is very deep. I don't know exactly
how deep, but it's huge. I mean it's very obvious
something happened there and it's like fifty thousand years old.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Wow damn.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. So if you're ever out and about driving through
Arizona for some random reason, nor Northern are gotta check
it out.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Go look at their hole.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, I looked at the hole, all right, Dylan. So
we've got these three backpackers, and I would say the
film's first half kind of builds on the relationship between
these three. We learned that Christy is the more bubbly,
adventurous friend, Liz is quieter, reserved, introspective. Ben is charming
(05:59):
and handsome, and we see Ben and Liz start kind
of falling for each other.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, and this is a I would say in the
first part of the film, when you have people on
a road trip, you're getting to meet the cast of characters.
It's a It's kind of a very formulaic situation, right,
You get to learn about them, find out who's got
what type of personality. You'll get just a hint of backstory.
I think it's a tried and true trope, right.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, yeah, they want to you know, they want to
build these characters so that you have empathy for them, right,
you know, you want to like that that make them likable.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, oftentimes maybe one of them is dealing with something
back in their real life. And you know who I'm
not saying necessarily for this movie. We all know that
you got a bunch of friends in a car and
you get to learn about them, which is sometimes eye
rolling to me. I'm just like, I just get you know,
get to it, right, I don't I don't care. Yeah,
but oftentimes it lays out personality traits and things like
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that to come to end up matter that matter later on.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, I have to say, Dylan, in the beginning of
the film, I was already I guess, looking at Ben
a bit with a bit of paranoia, Okay, like he
was a red herring for me. I thought, Oh, here's
this nice, handsome, charming young man, and he's like gonna
lead these girls off to you know, trade them off
to a psycho or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, he's getting them to go off their you know,
out outside of their itinerary, off their beaten trail.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah. Automatically assumed he had militarior motives. Yes, but I
was proven wrong. That's just how my brain works. I
always think everybody's up to something. Can't help it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You would not You would not have went with Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Probably not. Now. When the group reaches Wolf Creek, they
enjoy their hike around, they head back to their car
only to find that it won't start. This is my nightmare.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I would be instantly being in the middle of nowhere
an unknown cun treat to me. I would be so scared.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I mean, I would be You're stranded in the Australian outback.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right, there's no.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Telling when another human will pass by. You could be
there for days.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And I have to say, I think the outback is
the perfect setting for a movie like this because it's
literally a character of its own.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's mystifying, yeah, and it's you
don't know what lies ahead. It's so sparsely populated, and
you do imagine you would come across some real characters,
because I think it would take a really interesting kind
of folk to want to live in that kind of desolation.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think here in America that would compare it to
the way we kind of view Alaska.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I think like this unknown frontier, like a.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Last Frontier kind of situation. And I don't care who
you are, how much you know about the outback, but
you hear out back and you think middle of nowhere, desolate,
harsh conditions, right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Desert, desert, arid Yes. Okay. So they head back to
their car dealing, only to find that it's not going
to start. None of the three backpackers is mechanically inclined,
and they have no idea how to even identify the problem,
much less repair it. Obviously, This is a huge problem
because they're miles away from civilization, no cell phone, no
one around, no supplies. You'd kind of mentioned that earlier
(09:27):
before we got started, and you're right. I mean they
probably have a limited amount of water, limited amount of food.
This was only supposed to be like a day trip.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, they were just driving through, so they weren't planning
on staying or camping in the middle of the outback.
So yeah, I mean, just think about it. If you're
just on a regular road trip going somewhere, how much
supplies do you actually have in your car or on
your person. You know, you might have a couple of
bottles of water, some road snacks.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I'm going to say there's probably a couple bottles of
random water just floating around the car from like leaving
it behind after the gym. Yeah, probably survived for some days.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Two or three days off of jim water. Yeah, partial
bottles of water.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
There's like clothes in there, items from the pool clo
two months ago.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh but I thank goodness we have this umbrella, son
umbrella in the car. Well, you never know, Dylan actually
would be handy out there, exactly give a shelter.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
See exactly Luckily after Dark a friendly, rugged man named Mick,
played by the very talented John Jarrett. He's amazing in
this role, amazingly terrifying.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
His ability to go from ah, you know, I'm just
kidding around.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
He's got this laugh in the film that like it's
very unsettling.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
His ability to go from I'm being or just being
like incompetent and goofy and like weird to terrifying like
a switch and just change instantly into that other mode
is it's very It comes across in the movie so
very well.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Make offers to help. He can tow their vehicle back
to his campsite, which ends up being near an abandoned
mining site a few hours south of the park. Now
this is a generous offer, but while they're getting to
know Mick, they're also like a little uncomfortable with them
because though he's very friendly and you know, nice and
(11:31):
is offering to help, he also keeps kind of making
these off color jokes or like little cracks right that
you can tell, especially make the women feel uncomfortable. Yeah,
but you know, in these horror movies, we often see
people going against their gut instinct.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, they're in a situation where this guy, even though
he's not someone they probably would hang around very long
if they just met him out and about. They have
no other choice, right, They're lucky that he found them,
and they may not see anyone else, so they almost
have to go with him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, So they end up at this camp site, if
you want to call it that. It's a couple of
old abandoned buildings and junk cars. It's an odd place, right,
But they end up there mixed repairing the car. He's
spinning these tall tales of his past, and you can
(12:27):
see he's definitely kind of like a braggadocious type. He's
got all these stories. And you know, while they're kind
of humoring him, like hah oh, yeah, those are great stories,
you can tell they're all a little like ready to
be away from him, right and annoyed by him. Right.
Mick offers the group water, and after they drink it,
(12:48):
the three blackout.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh my gosh, you roofed the water, damn it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What follows is a hellish nightmare. Liz awakens in an
old shed, gas and tied up. She struggles to break free,
but eventually does soon after she hears Mick torturing her
best friend Christy in a garage. Uncertain about her next move,
Liz sets the car on fire to distract Mick. So
(13:17):
she's willing to set their vehicle on fire to distract him. Damn,
she's making moves. She enters the garage, it is implied
that Mick has sexually assaulted Christy. When Mick returns, Liz
shoots him in the neck with his rifle.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, you got him, But this is where.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She done fucks up, Dylan, because she doesn't do the
double tap.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Dude, I'm telling you I will. Of course, this always
happens in these types of movies. And I have this rifle.
I've already nicked you, right, I've gotten wounded you. I'm
going to shoot you with every shall.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The rifle has become an ass blaster five thousand because
I'm about to blast some caps in that ass until
I know you good and fucking dead.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Right, ass blaster five thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, you can't just shoot him once?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, and then I'm gonna beat you with the stock
after I'm done shooting.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
For listeners, if you're ever in a situation like this,
you've been captured by a maniac Madman where you're being
stalked by Michael Myers. You gotta do like the fucking
quadruple tap.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Now, two in the head, one chest.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, maybe one in the dick, oh yeah, just for
good measure. So we've got Mick. He shot, you know,
got a little wound to the neck, which could be
a deadly deadly position on the body, but doesn't quite
work out that way. The women attempt to escape, heading
towards a mixed car truck car. It's some kind of
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Australian I think it's called an Uti or Ute. Okay,
it's like a little El Camino or super Brat. It's
a little car with the truck bed. Yeah, right, so
it's a car truck car. Yeah, so mix shoots at
the women. They push the vehicle off a cliff, then
return to the site to find another vehicle, like hoping
(15:03):
maybe you know this is just like causing distractions. Liz
tells her friend Christy to run if she's not back
in five minutes, kind of leaving her hidden outside of
this camp. Liz returns to the garage, where she makes
another horrifying discovery in mixed possessions kind of. Among these items,
she finds belongings of other tourists and travelers, including like
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video cameras for example.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, and now, what a terrifying discovery that would be.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There are a number of cars on the property, likely
belonging to these tourists. She watches a segment of videos
from a camera, only to learn that Mick has similarly
aided other visitors at Wolf Creek when their cars have
become disabled.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, it's amazing. He's always around when the cars break down.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, it's almost like he tears them up.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's almost like he's making the cars break down.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Now, Liz gets into the car, but Mick is in
the back seat and he stabs her with a bowie knife.
Liz crawls out of the car. Mick manages to slice
off three of her fingers, then severs her spinal cord,
which paralyzes Liz. All the while he's demanding to know
where her friend Christy is. By now, Christy has reached
the highway and it's dawn. After surviving this tortuous night,
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hours of abuse and fear, so.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here she is in an imposition to possibly be the
final girl. You've made it to the dawn. You're on
the road, right, you may survive this.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yet, as she flags down a passing motorist who does
try to help her, Mix shoots the driver dead damn it.
Christy attempts to drive away in the dead dead man's vehicle,
but she is followed by Mick. She's kind of able
to side swipe his car, which pushes it off into
a ditch, and that's when Mix shoots out the back
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tire of this car Christie is driving. We see that
vehicle crash. She's trying to crawl away from the crash,
but Mick shoots her. He then puts Christy and the
dead motorist into the back of a crashed car and
lights it on fire. Right, I mean, guys, just he's hardcore.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They'll never figure this out, just like these people must
bend the trunk when a car rigged.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's amazing. We have no idea what has happened to
Ben up until this point when we finally see Ben.
He awakens in a mine shaft and he's been nailed
to like this crucifix.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Terrifying.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He is able to escape the camp. We see Ben
hiking through the outback, but he has no water. Ben
passes out from dehydration, and later a Swedish couple finds
Ben and they take him to cayl Berry. He's airlifted
to a hospital. We learned that despite searches, there is
no trace of Liz or Christy after four months in
police custody, been as cleared of suspicion in their disappearances
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and finally released. And the film concludes with Mick walking
into the sunset carrying his rifle.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So no happy ending in Wolf Creek.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, he gets away. He's done it before and he'll
do it again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Now the true story behind Wolf Creek is known as
the Backpack Murders.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Now, I stumbled upon this case on a podcast early,
fairly early on in my podcasting listening career, and I
have to say a listening career, my listening, my podcast
listening career, and I have to say that I was
very quickly rather disturbed by the details of this true
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this true story, right.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, we really could offer up a huge episode
on this guy, but since we're trying to keep it short,
I won't go into too much detail. From nineteen eighty
nine to nineteen ninety three, the bodies of seven young
people were found in the Blanglow State Forest. Bilanglo State
Forest is about a an hour's drive from Sydney, Australia, Okay,
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and has been described as a pine plantation.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh they grow pine out there.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Dense, thick pine forest is what comes to mind. But
it's a popular spot outside of Sydney for hikers.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, I'm sure because it's not that far outside of
a you know, major city there. In Australia, Now.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
In the mid nineteen nineties, hitchhiking was still a popular
mode of travel in Australia. It was considered a cheap
way to travel to get around. There were a few
missing persons casage cases which did lend to hitchhikers traveling
with buddies. But unlike the United States where we saw
a rash of serial killers in the seventies, so it
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was still taking off hitchhikers.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It was still considered safe, safe, yeah, for the most
part in Australia.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, and especially if you were with the buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, right, so it's like your battle buddy.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah. You didn't have too many of those cases, the
missing persons cases, so still kind of felt safe doing this.
During the late eighties and early nineties, several backpackers had disappeared.
One case involved a couple from Victoria who had vanished
between Sydney and Albury. Another young woman from Germany went
missing two years later, and then a German couple disappeared
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after leaving a hostel in King's Cross. Two British backpackers
disappeared from King's Cross as well. Fast forward to September
nineteenth of nineteen ninety two, two runners made a shocking
discovery in Bilanglo State Forest. A body was found. He quit,
run and bud, you don't find a body.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
They're jogging out in the middle of nowhere and they
find a body.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The next day police located another body only one hundred
feet away. The bodies were determined to be those of
British backpackers Caroline Clark and Joe N Walters, who disappeared
in April of nineteen ninety two. Walters had been stabbed repeatedly,
while Clark was shot about ten times in the head.
Police theorized she had been used for target park. Damn brutal.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
How to you even shoot somebody ten times in a head?
I could only imagine.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Vicious, vicious, A year later, in October of nineteen ninety three,
a man searching for firewood stumbled upon bones in a
remote section of the forest. The bones were determined to
belong to the missing Victoria couple, Deborah Everest and James Gibson.
Gibson's skeletal remains revealed multiple stab wounds. Everest had been
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savagely bludgeoned. She'd been stabbed once in the back, and
it had actually severed her spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh wow, Yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Seems to be a popular, a popular thing this killer
does because he's the stab victims. The stabbing victims often
have this stab wound in their back that would have
severed their spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So it's almost done on purpose, Yeah, to paralyze them,
to incapacitate them, but not kill them directly at the moment, right,
which is horror.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's so scary. Yes, Now, investigators were baffled by this.
Gibson's camera had been found on December thirty first of
nineteen eighty nine. So you find a backpack four years earlier,
and then you find a body in a completely different place.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, that's wild, that's.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Pretty strange, right, I'm sorry you find his camera, and
then his backpack is found a few months later in
March of nineteen ninety on a road near Galston Gorge
in the Sydney Suburbs. So he found two of his
items nowhere near where this body is located.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, yeah, one of the one discovery sounds to be
quite a long ways back towards town, if you will.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The police conducted a search on November first of nineteen
ninety three of the Blanglo Forest. During this time, a
skeleton was found along a fire trail. The body was
identified as Simone schmidtl, a German traveler who had been
missing since she had left Sydney, Australia on January twentieth
of nineteen ninety one. She had eight stab wounds which
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included the trademark severed spine.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Clothing at the scene matched another missing backpacker, Anya Habsheed
Habshed and gaybor Nausea Burger nauj Burg.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah sorry about that to the noge of Burger family.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Najnajer Bauer Burger Yeah yeah, I think it's bour.
There's too many gees sorry, had vanished in December of
nineteen ninety one. Their bodies were located three days later
in shallow graves about one hundred and sixty feet apart.
Habsheed had been decapitated and her skull was never found. Nogebauer,
(23:37):
nojer Bauer had been shot in the head six times.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Damn. So again this is overkill. Very similar with.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The discovery of these seven bodies. A task force was created.
A reward for five hundred thousand dollars was posted in
relation to the serial killings. International backpackers were worn not
to hitchhike along Hume Highway. Eventually, police were able to
narrow down a suspect list. Initially they had two hundred
and thirty suspects were finally able to whittle that down
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to just thirty two.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Although law enforcement was searching for a serial killer, others
speculated it was the work of multiple people, given that
the victims were taken in pairs.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah. I always found that to be the odd element
of this, because you have one part. It would be
hard for one person to take full control of two people.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
If you have a gun. Well, here's the thing though,
es ever, somebody's spinal cord, then it's pretty easy to
handle the two of them.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, if you open up with pure brutality. Most people
are going to freeze, you know what I mean. They're
going to be so shocked by what's happening that they're
you know what, You're not going to be thinking about
escape routes and how what can I do? You're just
going to be frozen in fear. And I think that's
a natural reaction that many of us would have.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
A previous victim came forward. His name was Paul Onions
and he was from the u United Kingdom. He had
been backpacking in Australia near Cassoula when a man offered
him a ride. He only knew the man to be
called Bill. Near the Blanglo State Forest. Bill pulled a
gun on Onions and told him like this is a robbery,
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This would be robber. Also had ropes to restrain Onions,
but Onions managed to flee before being tied up and
Bill shot at him. While he was trying to escape.
A motorist named Joanne Barry picked him up and they
went to file a police report like immediately, okay. A
tip led police to a man named Ivan Malatt who
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lived in Eagle Vale. Malatt had recently sold a four
wheel drive Nissan patrol after the discovery of Clark and
Walter's bodies. Malatt had not been working on the day
of the attacks. When they checked his background. Mulatt was
also obsessed with guns and weapons. According to those who
knew him, Mulatt exhibited anti has social and psychopathic behavior
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from a very young age. He was known to attack
animals with a machete as a kid.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
That's just being a kids being kids right now. Don't
you remember running around with your friends attacking animals with blade?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I do not. During his youth, Malott spent time at
a residential school and also in juvenile attention. In April
of nineteen seventy one, Malat abducted two eighteen year old
female hitchhikers. He sexually assaulted one of the women before
they were able to escape. At that time, he was
charged with rape and armed robbery. He was also involved
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in a string of robberies while awaiting trial for the
rape and robbery.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Because this person has absolutely no impulse control.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
At one point before the trial started, Milott tried to
fake suicide. There is a popular spot where a lot
of people will jump to their deaths in Australia, and
he went there and like, left behind a pair of
his shoes, Okay, yeah, trying to fake a suicide.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
They'd be like, well he's gone now, we'll just stop
all the court proceedings.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He fled to Queensland and Victoria, then to New Zealand,
where he lived on the run for two years. Eventually
he was rearrested. In nineteen seventy seven, he attempted to
rape another set of women who were hitchhiking. I mean,
this guy is an absolute menace.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
He can't stop or he won't stop.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, look at all he's done. How does he keep
getting out of jail?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well? How is it? Yeah? How is this guy getting
pre trial release for these types of charges when you've already.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Escaped custody and or you know, fled, you're an absconder
from justice.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You're kidnapping and raping women? Left ome?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Does that work? Onions was able to positive positively. I
DM a lot who also had a brother named Bill,
and he was known to use his brother's identity at times.
He was arrested on May twenty second of nineteen ninety four.
At his home. Law enforcement located a number of guns.
They also found stashes of foreign currency camping equipment, camera's, clothing,
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and other items belonging to the victims. Damn Malot was
tried and found guilty of the murders. He was given
a life sentence or life sentences, I should say, on
each count, and he died in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Good.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
In August of twenty twenty five, it was announced that
a new investigation into malt was underway. Authorities believe he
may be involved in other murders, the earliest being the
Wanda Beach murders, which happened back in nineteen sixty five. Wow,
and I suppose it's kind of a famous unsolved case
in Australia. Now, another strange twist in this case is
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that Matthew Malot, Ivan's great nephew brutally murdered his friend
David Aucher Tolone with an axe in the Blonglo State Forest.
Matthew was very proud of his uncle's crimes and wanted
to be like him.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I mean, who thinks.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Unfortunately he was called before he could serial kill.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Who thinks like that? I have a relative who did
these horrible things. I'm going to, you know, revere their
acts and emulate them.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Guess like a sadistic psycho is I.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Mean, does that prove some nature versus nurture theory?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't know, Dylan. It beats the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Wow, I mean, is there something chemically wrong with these
people in this bloodlines? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't know. I mean maybe he just thought it
was cool. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, fortunately he wasn't good at it.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
To mention the Wanda Beach murders, I thought I would
give everybody a little background on this because I was
kind of interested. It's, as I mentioned, it's a I guess,
a pretty famous unsolved case in Australia. It's the murder
of two fifteen year old girls, Mary Anne Schmidt and
Christine Sarrick in Sydney, Australia on January eleventh of nineteen
sixty five. They were best friends and wit missing after
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walking into the sand hills at Wanda Beach and they're
partial buried bodies were discovered the next day.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Geez. So I just don't get it. You know, you
have these people who are vacationing or you know, trying
to have fun, and gosh, that reminds me of that
remember that case we covered that guy was got those
young girls and it's like the house right beside his
(30:23):
home where his wife and kids live.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh yeah, the South Carolina. I can't think of that
guy's name, but it was. It's South Carolina story.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, and just I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
So South Carolina coast.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So sadistic, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I was near like Folly Beach or something.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think it was Folly Beach, But it's just so
sadistic to view other humans like that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
This case was, as I mentioned, pretty famous because of
the brutal nature of the slayings and the fact that
they occurred on a deserted, wind swept beach, just out
in the open like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, yeah, that's very scary, pretty pretty scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It'll be interesting to see if they are able to
determine that Melot was a suspect or was involved in this,
right right. They do have another suspect who's a serial
killer in Australia named Christopher Wilder. He had been convicted
of a gang rape on a Sydney beach, which led
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police to include him as a suspect. He had immigrated
to the United States in nineteen sixty nine while visiting
his parents in Australia, he was charged with a sexual
offense against two fifteen year old girls. In nineteen eighty two,
he fled back to the United States, and of the
first half of nineteen eighty four he committed eight murders
and attempted more. Accidentally killed himself during a struggle with
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police in New Hampshire on April thirteenth of nineteen eighty four.
We're definitely going to have to discuss Christopher Wilder.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I've never heard of that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, So it seems like they do have their share
of suspects with the Wanda Beach unsolved case.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So what's so scary about this real life versus movie
conversation is how many elements, how many elements that they
actually put in the movie that were real, you know
what I'm saying. Yes, like the debilitating stab.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wounds, finding the cameras, and the items belonging to missing persons.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean that's something you can't I mean, it
doesn't even sound real, right, It sounds like it's made
up to be a part of a scary movie, you know,
And that's just terrifying that that actually happened, you know,
and they found this cash of other people's belonging to
trophies in essence of victims.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, I've always thought the concept of a predator preying
on those who are just trying to enjoy nature, whether
they're hiking, backpacking, camping, has always been very scary to me.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Well, yeah, that's like that Gary Hilton story. He is
just a bumbling piece of ship. I really hated him.
But then that's what he would do, you know, he
would pray on people.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Get him in an isolated and.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's almost when you get out, it's almost like you say,
you live in a city and you go to a
national park or something, you almost feel like you left
all the problems and violence behind.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Right right, you're communing with nature. You feel safe, beautiful,
you know, I mean the only thing that you might
I think could happen that might be like an animal, yes,
or an accident like what if I twist my ankle.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, something like that, but nothing from It's almost like
you have this false sense of security being out in
nature like that, and unfortunately that's sometimes just not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well right, because you're like, oh, there's going to be
other people around park rangers, it's federal lands, or it's
a state you know, State Park should be fine here.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I actually remember when the Gary Hilton case broke because
one of the couples that he unfortunately got, you know, killed,
was very local to us. It was in Henderson County,
in Hendersonville, which wasn't all that far from where we lived,
and often at that time I would go out with
my kids on these fairly desolate trails. You know, we'd
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be way out, way out, you know, two or three miles,
four miles from the car, you know, down a pretty
rough trail, nothing crazy, And it really scared me because
I felt like that, you know, if I'd ran a
foul upon someone who wanted to do his harm, I
wouldn't have been able to do anything about it, you
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know what I'm saying. So I started carrying a gun,
which they actually addressed that. They did change the laws
to a degree about carrying a weapon on federal lands
after that case. And I think you should. I think
you should think about that. You should think about security
to some degree when you're out and about like that.
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Have a plan, even a mild discussion with say your
partner or your children if you have older children, especially
as to what to do if something goes bad and
some people may think that's being paranoid, but I think
just a little bit of preparation could go a long
way if the situation ever went south.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, absolutely, I mean we don't have a rash of
crimes fortunately in the United States in our national parks
right or state parks, which is you know, which is good?
I mean, I think for the most part, people are
safe when they go out about, but there's always that chance. Well,
the Gary Hilton case and as you mentioned, being so
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close you know, to our hometown, really left to mark
on me. Yeah, because for years I've been a solo hiker,
Like I don't mind to go off on a trail
by myself in the woods for hours, you know, do
a four or five mile hog by myself.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah. You've even contemplated doing some of the Appalachian Trail
by yourself, right, Well, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, but you said you couldn't live without me, Well
I can't. You don't want to let me go?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
No, I'm pretty sure I won't make it without you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know, there's so many things you won't be able
to do on your own. It's really pitiful.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh baby, I need you have to get you a babysitter. No, well,
maybe one of our listeners will look after me while
you're going.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Got to get a babysitter for Dylan's and I'll.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Come by check my letter box and feed me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, yes, Dylan. I have to say we were discussing
horror movies. I happened to watch horror film last night.
It was the new VHS Halloween VHS.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, a brand new installment of the VHS series. If
you're not familiar with them, most of them are fairly
creepy movies around footage.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah right, this one was so brutal and kind of gory.
I had to turn it off. I couldn't finish watching it. Look,
which is rare for me.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
They're typically I think they're always an anthology of sorts.
You have multiple stories, and in my usual fashion, I
watched the beginning of the movie with you and then felt.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
We were snoring in my ear.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yes, yeah, but even the first will you call them vignettes?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Sure, even the first installment or first story on it
on this movie was fucking some like Guerrel mor del Toro,
not Marrish. I don't even know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You mean, like the babies.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, oh yeah, and I don't I don't know what
was happening, but it was. It was weird, it was unsettling.
So it doesn't surprise me that it only got worse
from there.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
It sounds like, yeah, well there was a storyline that
involved children, Okay, Yeah, and once you involved kids into
I mean I was kind of like surprised that they
took it as far as they did, really, yeah, because
it was almost like displaying this frazzle drip QAnon oh
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kind of shit.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, wow, Okay, I have to watch this out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Like, oh, we're going to take this idea of this
conspiracy theory and we're going to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Make a horror.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah. And it was fucked up and I had to
turn it off.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh wow, I just can't with kids. Damn damn VHS
going hard in the pain. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I was surprised, honestly because this film. I've seen the
others and I'm just kind of like, meh, wow, I
thought super I have not really been super impressed with
that franchise over the years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I thought the first one had some merit or it
was good, but then I think you know that there
was They made those fairly quickly. The couple few after
the first one, I was like, okay, well.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Like the eighty four was like eighty they tried to
do like a retro.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like over it. But I don't know
what this new this VHS Halloween.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't Yeah, if you want to watch a messed
up film, that's the one right there.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
All right, So thank you for this discussion on Wolf Creek.
I've been looking forward. I've been looking forward to this,
and yeah, it's a it's a just if you haven't
seen the movie, we hope you have if you've sat
through this conversation, But that's a messed up movie based
on a messed up true story, for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, for sure, Dylan. All right, thank you for sitting
down with me today to discuss Wolf Creek.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Thank you. Yeah, and until next time. I can't wait
to see what you bring forth next. For us, we
are digging our way. We're halfway through the spooky season, right,
almost two thirds of the way. Where does it go?
You know?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, if you want to know our next film, that
is up for discussion, and we will be watching the
Charlie Theron Monster.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Okay movie, so check that out. Okay, can't Wait by
Dylan by
Hey, y'all, welcome back to Mountain Murders.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I'm Heather and I'm Dylan.
Speaker 1 (00:04):
Hey, Dylan, are you ready to get back into our
spooky mood?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yes? I am. I never got out of it.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
You never got out of the spooky movie.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
I've been scared this whole time.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
You know what, We saw this like twelve foot creature
of the Night vampire animatronic at Low's yesterday. Yeah, it
was like two hundred something dollars.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Dude, it was under two fifty. Dude.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
It's like a great investment. I want it year round.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Yeah. I would just leave it up.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Yeah right, it's even better than the twelve foot skeleton.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
No, it is. It's totally cool. Uh. Some of our
listeners may have already seen it on display in a
Low's near them. When we need to check back after
Halloween and see if it's slashed the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Yeah, such bloody slashing prices.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
And we'll just put it up for Christmas, put in
a little sah yeaht a Santa head on them, all right.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
I like that, Dylan. We are back to discussing horror
films based on true stories or you know, loosely rooted
in a true story.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yes, and in my opinion, this is one of the
scariest movies to ever be based on true events.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
You think so, I think so.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
Personally, we're gonna.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Be talking about the two thousand and five film, Australian
horror film Wolf Creek, written and directed by Greg maclin. Now, Dylan,
I find this film to be very visceral, raw terrifying. Yes,
some folks call it a torture like a torture porn movie.
(01:39):
I don't know if I would go that far, because
it definitely doesn't give me hostile vibes.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
So in the vein of hostile theresa things like that. Yeah, yes,
And I tell you the first Hostel was. I thought
it was good. It was kind of hard to watch.
Some of the scenes are seeming very realistic and horrible,
and just the idea of being trapped like this and
having people willing to do these things to you is
(02:05):
very terrifying. But after men and I kind of was
over it, you know what I mean, the concept, and
then of course they came out with multiple parts and
things like that. But I would not put this in
this I wouldn't call this torture porn. I would. I
think it's quite different. In my opinion, I think it's
a very intense thriller, psychological thriller. You think so, yeah,
(02:28):
I think it has more elements of that than it does.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I agree, because it reminds me more instead of like
a hostel or Teresta's more in the vein of the
French horror film High Tension.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Yeah, yeah, right, yeah, yes, which.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Is a wow, heart pounding, like intense, non stop thrill ride.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
If you will, oh, once it kicks off in the
movie High Tension, and if our listeners never seen this movie, seek.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
It out the French version.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
If you're into the yes, seek out the friend version
this movie. Once it kicks off, it is a polls
pounding ride of I don't even know how.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
To district terror. Yes, sheer terror the entire time.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
So here we are with Wolf Creek, one of my
favorite movies. I've seen it many times, same and I
could watch it again right now, And that's how good
of a movie it is, which I think I also
think is surprising for this type of film, right, because
a lot of times when you see a film like
this once is enough. Maybe again sometime later with a
friend who had never seen it. But I would Wolf
(03:31):
Creak's a movie I will stop and watch every time
I see it exactly.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
I find it to be a very rewatchable horror film.
Let's get into a Dylan. Our film begins with three backpackers.
We have British best friends, Liz and Christy. They've met
a local along the way named Ben. Ben offers to
take the women to Wolf Creek National Park. They're on
their way to a town called Carnes, but it seems
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that Wolf Creek is maybe not far away from this destination,
so they don't mind, you know, making a day of it.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
So it's on the way, but you'd have to go
out of your way to get to it.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Maybe maybe that kind of thing. But you know, you're
on a road trip, you're backpacking, you're looking for some adventure.
You're willing to go to the little, you know, roadside attractions.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right now, have you ever seen a crater in person?
Because I have not.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I have so Wolf Creek National Park is the site
of a meteorite crash, and it is in the middle
of nowhere, but has now become a bit of a
tourist destination for folks. I have been to a meteor
crash before.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
Now could you tell it was an impact site and
not just a hole in the ground.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Uh. Yeah, it's in Arizona. The meteor where or the
site where I've been. It's meteor Crater, natural landmark. Oh,
it's just outside of Flagstaff, Arizona, about thirty seven miles
or so outside of Flagstaff, okay, eighteen miles west of Winslow, Arizona.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So it's a much more accessible crater than the one
that they're going to visit.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
You might see a girl in a flat bedford slowing
down to take a look at you here. Yeah, it's amazing.
I mean, once you're standing at the top of the
edge of the crater if you will, and you're looking down,
I mean it is very deep. I don't know exactly
how deep, but it's huge. I mean it's very obvious
something happened there and it's like fifty thousand years old.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Wow damn.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah. So if you're ever out and about driving through
Arizona for some random reason, nor Northern are gotta check
it out.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Go look at their hole.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, I looked at the hole, all right, Dylan. So
we've got these three backpackers, and I would say the
film's first half kind of builds on the relationship between
these three. We learned that Christy is the more bubbly,
adventurous friend, Liz is quieter, reserved, introspective. Ben is charming
(05:59):
and handsome, and we see Ben and Liz start kind
of falling for each other.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, and this is a I would say in the
first part of the film, when you have people on
a road trip, you're getting to meet the cast of characters.
It's a It's kind of a very formulaic situation, right,
You get to learn about them, find out who's got
what type of personality. You'll get just a hint of backstory.
I think it's a tried and true trope, right.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Well, yeah, they want to you know, they want to
build these characters so that you have empathy for them, right,
you know, you want to like that that make them likable.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yeah, oftentimes maybe one of them is dealing with something
back in their real life. And you know who I'm
not saying necessarily for this movie. We all know that
you got a bunch of friends in a car and
you get to learn about them, which is sometimes eye
rolling to me. I'm just like, I just get you know,
get to it, right, I don't I don't care. Yeah,
but oftentimes it lays out personality traits and things like
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that to come to end up matter that matter later on.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, I have to say, Dylan, in the beginning of
the film, I was already I guess, looking at Ben
a bit with a bit of paranoia, Okay, like he
was a red herring for me. I thought, Oh, here's
this nice, handsome, charming young man, and he's like gonna
lead these girls off to you know, trade them off
to a psycho or something like that.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah, he's getting them to go off their you know,
out outside of their itinerary, off their beaten trail.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
Yeah. Automatically assumed he had militarior motives. Yes, but I
was proven wrong. That's just how my brain works. I
always think everybody's up to something. Can't help it.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
You would not You would not have went with Ben.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Probably not. Now. When the group reaches Wolf Creek, they
enjoy their hike around, they head back to their car
only to find that it won't start. This is my nightmare.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
I would be instantly being in the middle of nowhere
an unknown cun treat to me. I would be so scared.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I mean, I would be You're stranded in the Australian outback.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Right, there's no.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Telling when another human will pass by. You could be
there for days.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
And I have to say, I think the outback is
the perfect setting for a movie like this because it's
literally a character of its own.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Yeah. I mean, it's it's mystifying, yeah, and it's you
don't know what lies ahead. It's so sparsely populated, and
you do imagine you would come across some real characters,
because I think it would take a really interesting kind
of folk to want to live in that kind of desolation.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I think here in America that would compare it to
the way we kind of view Alaska.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Yeah, I think like this unknown frontier, like a.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Last Frontier kind of situation. And I don't care who
you are, how much you know about the outback, but
you hear out back and you think middle of nowhere, desolate,
harsh conditions, right.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Desert, desert, arid Yes. Okay. So they head back to
their car dealing, only to find that it's not going
to start. None of the three backpackers is mechanically inclined,
and they have no idea how to even identify the problem,
much less repair it. Obviously, This is a huge problem
because they're miles away from civilization, no cell phone, no
one around, no supplies. You'd kind of mentioned that earlier
(09:27):
before we got started, and you're right. I mean they
probably have a limited amount of water, limited amount of food.
This was only supposed to be like a day trip.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, they were just driving through, so they weren't planning
on staying or camping in the middle of the outback.
So yeah, I mean, just think about it. If you're
just on a regular road trip going somewhere, how much
supplies do you actually have in your car or on
your person. You know, you might have a couple of
bottles of water, some road snacks.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
I'm going to say there's probably a couple bottles of
random water just floating around the car from like leaving
it behind after the gym. Yeah, probably survived for some days.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Two or three days off of jim water. Yeah, partial
bottles of water.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
There's like clothes in there, items from the pool clo
two months ago.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Oh but I thank goodness we have this umbrella, son
umbrella in the car. Well, you never know, Dylan actually
would be handy out there, exactly give a shelter.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
See exactly Luckily after Dark a friendly, rugged man named Mick,
played by the very talented John Jarrett. He's amazing in
this role, amazingly terrifying.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
His ability to go from ah, you know, I'm just
kidding around.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
He's got this laugh in the film that like it's
very unsettling.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
His ability to go from I'm being or just being
like incompetent and goofy and like weird to terrifying like
a switch and just change instantly into that other mode
is it's very It comes across in the movie so
very well.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Make offers to help. He can tow their vehicle back
to his campsite, which ends up being near an abandoned
mining site a few hours south of the park. Now
this is a generous offer, but while they're getting to
know Mick, they're also like a little uncomfortable with them
because though he's very friendly and you know, nice and
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is offering to help, he also keeps kind of making
these off color jokes or like little cracks right that
you can tell, especially make the women feel uncomfortable. Yeah,
but you know, in these horror movies, we often see
people going against their gut instinct.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Well, they're in a situation where this guy, even though
he's not someone they probably would hang around very long
if they just met him out and about. They have
no other choice, right, They're lucky that he found them,
and they may not see anyone else, so they almost
have to go with him, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Right, So they end up at this camp site, if
you want to call it that. It's a couple of
old abandoned buildings and junk cars. It's an odd place, right,
But they end up there mixed repairing the car. He's
spinning these tall tales of his past, and you can
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see he's definitely kind of like a braggadocious type. He's
got all these stories. And you know, while they're kind
of humoring him, like hah oh, yeah, those are great stories,
you can tell they're all a little like ready to
be away from him, right and annoyed by him. Right.
Mick offers the group water, and after they drink it,
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the three blackout.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
Oh my gosh, you roofed the water, damn it.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
What follows is a hellish nightmare. Liz awakens in an
old shed, gas and tied up. She struggles to break free,
but eventually does soon after she hears Mick torturing her
best friend Christy in a garage. Uncertain about her next move,
Liz sets the car on fire to distract Mick. So
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she's willing to set their vehicle on fire to distract him. Damn,
she's making moves. She enters the garage, it is implied
that Mick has sexually assaulted Christy. When Mick returns, Liz
shoots him in the neck with his rifle.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Yeah, you got him, But this is where.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
She done fucks up, Dylan, because she doesn't do the
double tap.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
Dude, I'm telling you I will. Of course, this always
happens in these types of movies. And I have this rifle.
I've already nicked you, right, I've gotten wounded you. I'm
going to shoot you with every shall.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
The rifle has become an ass blaster five thousand because
I'm about to blast some caps in that ass until
I know you good and fucking dead.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Right, ass blaster five thousand.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, you can't just shoot him once?
Speaker 2 (14:02):
No, and then I'm gonna beat you with the stock
after I'm done shooting.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
For listeners, if you're ever in a situation like this,
you've been captured by a maniac Madman where you're being
stalked by Michael Myers. You gotta do like the fucking
quadruple tap.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Now, two in the head, one chest.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
Yeah, maybe one in the dick, oh yeah, just for
good measure. So we've got Mick. He shot, you know,
got a little wound to the neck, which could be
a deadly deadly position on the body, but doesn't quite
work out that way. The women attempt to escape, heading
towards a mixed car truck car. It's some kind of
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Australian I think it's called an Uti or Ute. Okay,
it's like a little El Camino or super Brat. It's
a little car with the truck bed. Yeah, right, so
it's a car truck car. Yeah, so mix shoots at
the women. They push the vehicle off a cliff, then
return to the site to find another vehicle, like hoping
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maybe you know this is just like causing distractions. Liz
tells her friend Christy to run if she's not back
in five minutes, kind of leaving her hidden outside of
this camp. Liz returns to the garage, where she makes
another horrifying discovery in mixed possessions kind of. Among these items,
she finds belongings of other tourists and travelers, including like
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video cameras for example.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, and now, what a terrifying discovery that would be.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
There are a number of cars on the property, likely
belonging to these tourists. She watches a segment of videos
from a camera, only to learn that Mick has similarly
aided other visitors at Wolf Creek when their cars have
become disabled.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yes, it's amazing. He's always around when the cars break down.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Yeah, it's almost like he tears them up.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
It's almost like he's making the cars break down.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Now, Liz gets into the car, but Mick is in
the back seat and he stabs her with a bowie knife.
Liz crawls out of the car. Mick manages to slice
off three of her fingers, then severs her spinal cord,
which paralyzes Liz. All the while he's demanding to know
where her friend Christy is. By now, Christy has reached
the highway and it's dawn. After surviving this tortuous night,
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hours of abuse and fear, so.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Here she is in an imposition to possibly be the
final girl. You've made it to the dawn. You're on
the road, right, you may survive this.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
Yet, as she flags down a passing motorist who does
try to help her, Mix shoots the driver dead damn it.
Christy attempts to drive away in the dead dead man's vehicle,
but she is followed by Mick. She's kind of able
to side swipe his car, which pushes it off into
a ditch, and that's when Mix shoots out the back
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tire of this car Christie is driving. We see that
vehicle crash. She's trying to crawl away from the crash,
but Mick shoots her. He then puts Christy and the
dead motorist into the back of a crashed car and
lights it on fire. Right, I mean, guys, just he's hardcore.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
They'll never figure this out, just like these people must
bend the trunk when a car rigged.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's amazing. We have no idea what has happened to
Ben up until this point when we finally see Ben.
He awakens in a mine shaft and he's been nailed
to like this crucifix.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Terrifying.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
He is able to escape the camp. We see Ben
hiking through the outback, but he has no water. Ben
passes out from dehydration, and later a Swedish couple finds
Ben and they take him to cayl Berry. He's airlifted
to a hospital. We learned that despite searches, there is
no trace of Liz or Christy after four months in
police custody, been as cleared of suspicion in their disappearances
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and finally released. And the film concludes with Mick walking
into the sunset carrying his rifle.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
So no happy ending in Wolf Creek.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
No, he gets away. He's done it before and he'll
do it again.
Speaker 1 (18:08):
I'm gonna do it again.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (18:10):
Now the true story behind Wolf Creek is known as
the Backpack Murders.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Now, I stumbled upon this case on a podcast early,
fairly early on in my podcasting listening career, and I
have to say a listening career, my listening, my podcast
listening career, and I have to say that I was
very quickly rather disturbed by the details of this true
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this true story, right.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
I mean, we really could offer up a huge episode
on this guy, but since we're trying to keep it short,
I won't go into too much detail. From nineteen eighty
nine to nineteen ninety three, the bodies of seven young
people were found in the Blanglow State Forest. Bilanglo State
Forest is about a an hour's drive from Sydney, Australia, Okay,
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and has been described as a pine plantation.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Oh they grow pine out there.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
Dense, thick pine forest is what comes to mind. But
it's a popular spot outside of Sydney for hikers.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Well, I'm sure because it's not that far outside of
a you know, major city there. In Australia, Now.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
In the mid nineteen nineties, hitchhiking was still a popular
mode of travel in Australia. It was considered a cheap
way to travel to get around. There were a few
missing persons casage cases which did lend to hitchhikers traveling
with buddies. But unlike the United States where we saw
a rash of serial killers in the seventies, so it
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was still taking off hitchhikers.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
It was still considered safe, safe, yeah, for the most
part in Australia.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, and especially if you were with the buddy.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Okay, right, so it's like your battle buddy.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah. You didn't have too many of those cases, the
missing persons cases, so still kind of felt safe doing this.
During the late eighties and early nineties, several backpackers had disappeared.
One case involved a couple from Victoria who had vanished
between Sydney and Albury. Another young woman from Germany went
missing two years later, and then a German couple disappeared
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after leaving a hostel in King's Cross. Two British backpackers
disappeared from King's Cross as well. Fast forward to September
nineteenth of nineteen ninety two, two runners made a shocking
discovery in Bilanglo State Forest. A body was found. He quit,
run and bud, you don't find a body.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
They're jogging out in the middle of nowhere and they
find a body.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
The next day police located another body only one hundred
feet away. The bodies were determined to be those of
British backpackers Caroline Clark and Joe N Walters, who disappeared
in April of nineteen ninety two. Walters had been stabbed repeatedly,
while Clark was shot about ten times in the head.
Police theorized she had been used for target park. Damn brutal.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
How to you even shoot somebody ten times in a head?
I could only imagine.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
Vicious, vicious, A year later, in October of nineteen ninety three,
a man searching for firewood stumbled upon bones in a
remote section of the forest. The bones were determined to
belong to the missing Victoria couple, Deborah Everest and James Gibson.
Gibson's skeletal remains revealed multiple stab wounds. Everest had been
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savagely bludgeoned. She'd been stabbed once in the back, and
it had actually severed her spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Oh wow, Yeah, this.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Seems to be a popular, a popular thing this killer
does because he's the stab victims. The stabbing victims often
have this stab wound in their back that would have
severed their spinal cord.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
So it's almost done on purpose, Yeah, to paralyze them,
to incapacitate them, but not kill them directly at the moment, right,
which is horror.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
That's so scary. Yes, Now, investigators were baffled by this.
Gibson's camera had been found on December thirty first of
nineteen eighty nine. So you find a backpack four years earlier,
and then you find a body in a completely different place.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah, that's wild, that's.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Pretty strange, right, I'm sorry you find his camera, and
then his backpack is found a few months later in
March of nineteen ninety on a road near Galston Gorge
in the Sydney Suburbs. So he found two of his
items nowhere near where this body is located.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Well, yeah, one of the one discovery sounds to be
quite a long ways back towards town, if you will.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
The police conducted a search on November first of nineteen
ninety three of the Blanglo Forest. During this time, a
skeleton was found along a fire trail. The body was
identified as Simone schmidtl, a German traveler who had been
missing since she had left Sydney, Australia on January twentieth
of nineteen ninety one. She had eight stab wounds which
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included the trademark severed spine.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Jesus.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Clothing at the scene matched another missing backpacker, Anya Habsheed
Habshed and gaybor Nausea Burger nauj Burg.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
Yeah sorry about that to the noge of Burger family.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
The Najnajer Bauer Burger Yeah yeah, I think it's bour.
There's too many gees sorry, had vanished in December of
nineteen ninety one. Their bodies were located three days later
in shallow graves about one hundred and sixty feet apart.
Habsheed had been decapitated and her skull was never found. Nogebauer,
(23:37):
nojer Bauer had been shot in the head six times.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
Damn. So again this is overkill. Very similar with.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
The discovery of these seven bodies. A task force was created.
A reward for five hundred thousand dollars was posted in
relation to the serial killings. International backpackers were worn not
to hitchhike along Hume Highway. Eventually, police were able to
narrow down a suspect list. Initially they had two hundred
and thirty suspects were finally able to whittle that down
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to just thirty two.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Although law enforcement was searching for a serial killer, others
speculated it was the work of multiple people, given that
the victims were taken in pairs.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Yeah. I always found that to be the odd element
of this, because you have one part. It would be
hard for one person to take full control of two people.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
If you have a gun. Well, here's the thing though,
es ever, somebody's spinal cord, then it's pretty easy to
handle the two of them.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Well, if you open up with pure brutality. Most people
are going to freeze, you know what I mean. They're
going to be so shocked by what's happening that they're
you know what, You're not going to be thinking about
escape routes and how what can I do? You're just
going to be frozen in fear. And I think that's
a natural reaction that many of us would have.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
A previous victim came forward. His name was Paul Onions
and he was from the u United Kingdom. He had
been backpacking in Australia near Cassoula when a man offered
him a ride. He only knew the man to be
called Bill. Near the Blanglo State Forest. Bill pulled a
gun on Onions and told him like this is a robbery,
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This would be robber. Also had ropes to restrain Onions,
but Onions managed to flee before being tied up and
Bill shot at him. While he was trying to escape.
A motorist named Joanne Barry picked him up and they
went to file a police report like immediately, okay. A
tip led police to a man named Ivan Malatt who
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lived in Eagle Vale. Malatt had recently sold a four
wheel drive Nissan patrol after the discovery of Clark and
Walter's bodies. Malatt had not been working on the day
of the attacks. When they checked his background. Mulatt was
also obsessed with guns and weapons. According to those who
knew him, Mulatt exhibited anti has social and psychopathic behavior
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from a very young age. He was known to attack
animals with a machete as a kid.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
That's just being a kids being kids right now. Don't
you remember running around with your friends attacking animals with blade?
Speaker 1 (26:14):
I do not. During his youth, Malott spent time at
a residential school and also in juvenile attention. In April
of nineteen seventy one, Malat abducted two eighteen year old
female hitchhikers. He sexually assaulted one of the women before
they were able to escape. At that time, he was
charged with rape and armed robbery. He was also involved
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in a string of robberies while awaiting trial for the
rape and robbery.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Because this person has absolutely no impulse control.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
At one point before the trial started, Milott tried to
fake suicide. There is a popular spot where a lot
of people will jump to their deaths in Australia, and
he went there and like, left behind a pair of
his shoes, Okay, yeah, trying to fake a suicide.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
They'd be like, well he's gone now, we'll just stop
all the court proceedings.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
He fled to Queensland and Victoria, then to New Zealand,
where he lived on the run for two years. Eventually
he was rearrested. In nineteen seventy seven, he attempted to
rape another set of women who were hitchhiking. I mean,
this guy is an absolute menace.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
He can't stop or he won't stop.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
Well, look at all he's done. How does he keep
getting out of jail?
Speaker 2 (27:25):
Well? How is it? Yeah? How is this guy getting
pre trial release for these types of charges when you've already.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Escaped custody and or you know, fled, you're an absconder
from justice.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
You're kidnapping and raping women? Left ome?
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Does that work? Onions was able to positive positively. I
DM a lot who also had a brother named Bill,
and he was known to use his brother's identity at times.
He was arrested on May twenty second of nineteen ninety four.
At his home. Law enforcement located a number of guns.
They also found stashes of foreign currency camping equipment, camera's, clothing,
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and other items belonging to the victims. Damn Malot was
tried and found guilty of the murders. He was given
a life sentence or life sentences, I should say, on
each count, and he died in twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Good.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
In August of twenty twenty five, it was announced that
a new investigation into malt was underway. Authorities believe he
may be involved in other murders, the earliest being the
Wanda Beach murders, which happened back in nineteen sixty five. Wow,
and I suppose it's kind of a famous unsolved case
in Australia. Now, another strange twist in this case is
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that Matthew Malot, Ivan's great nephew brutally murdered his friend
David Aucher Tolone with an axe in the Blonglo State Forest.
Matthew was very proud of his uncle's crimes and wanted
to be like him.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
I mean, who thinks.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Unfortunately he was called before he could serial kill.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
Who thinks like that? I have a relative who did
these horrible things. I'm going to, you know, revere their
acts and emulate them.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
Guess like a sadistic psycho is I.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Mean, does that prove some nature versus nurture theory?
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I don't know, Dylan. It beats the hell out of me.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Wow, I mean, is there something chemically wrong with these
people in this bloodlines? You know? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
I don't know. I mean maybe he just thought it
was cool. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Well, fortunately he wasn't good at it.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
To mention the Wanda Beach murders, I thought I would
give everybody a little background on this because I was
kind of interested. It's, as I mentioned, it's a I guess,
a pretty famous unsolved case in Australia. It's the murder
of two fifteen year old girls, Mary Anne Schmidt and
Christine Sarrick in Sydney, Australia on January eleventh of nineteen
sixty five. They were best friends and wit missing after
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walking into the sand hills at Wanda Beach and they're
partial buried bodies were discovered the next day.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Geez. So I just don't get it. You know, you
have these people who are vacationing or you know, trying
to have fun, and gosh, that reminds me of that
remember that case we covered that guy was got those
young girls and it's like the house right beside his
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home where his wife and kids live.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Oh yeah, the South Carolina. I can't think of that
guy's name, but it was. It's South Carolina story.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah, yeah, and just I mean, that's.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
So South Carolina coast.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
So sadistic, you know.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I was near like Folly Beach or something.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
I think it was Folly Beach, But it's just so
sadistic to view other humans like that.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
This case was, as I mentioned, pretty famous because of
the brutal nature of the slayings and the fact that
they occurred on a deserted, wind swept beach, just out
in the open like that.
Speaker 2 (30:56):
Well, yeah, that's very scary, pretty pretty scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
It'll be interesting to see if they are able to
determine that Melot was a suspect or was involved in this,
right right. They do have another suspect who's a serial
killer in Australia named Christopher Wilder. He had been convicted
of a gang rape on a Sydney beach, which led
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police to include him as a suspect. He had immigrated
to the United States in nineteen sixty nine while visiting
his parents in Australia, he was charged with a sexual
offense against two fifteen year old girls. In nineteen eighty two,
he fled back to the United States, and of the
first half of nineteen eighty four he committed eight murders
and attempted more. Accidentally killed himself during a struggle with
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police in New Hampshire on April thirteenth of nineteen eighty four.
We're definitely going to have to discuss Christopher Wilder.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, I've never heard of that guy.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
Yeah, So it seems like they do have their share
of suspects with the Wanda Beach unsolved case.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So what's so scary about this real life versus movie
conversation is how many elements, how many elements that they
actually put in the movie that were real, you know
what I'm saying. Yes, like the debilitating stab.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Wounds, finding the cameras, and the items belonging to missing persons.
Speaker 2 (32:25):
Yeah, I mean that's something you can't I mean, it
doesn't even sound real, right, It sounds like it's made
up to be a part of a scary movie, you know,
And that's just terrifying that that actually happened, you know,
and they found this cash of other people's belonging to
trophies in essence of victims.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Well, I've always thought the concept of a predator preying
on those who are just trying to enjoy nature, whether
they're hiking, backpacking, camping, has always been very scary to me.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
Well, yeah, that's like that Gary Hilton story. He is
just a bumbling piece of ship. I really hated him.
But then that's what he would do, you know, he
would pray on people.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Get him in an isolated and.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
It's almost when you get out, it's almost like you say,
you live in a city and you go to a
national park or something, you almost feel like you left
all the problems and violence behind.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
Right right, you're communing with nature. You feel safe, beautiful,
you know, I mean the only thing that you might
I think could happen that might be like an animal, yes,
or an accident like what if I twist my ankle.
Speaker 2 (33:40):
Yeah, something like that, but nothing from It's almost like
you have this false sense of security being out in
nature like that, and unfortunately that's sometimes just not the case.
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Well right, because you're like, oh, there's going to be
other people around park rangers, it's federal lands, or it's
a state you know, State Park should be fine here.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
I actually remember when the Gary Hilton case broke because
one of the couples that he unfortunately got, you know, killed,
was very local to us. It was in Henderson County,
in Hendersonville, which wasn't all that far from where we lived,
and often at that time I would go out with
my kids on these fairly desolate trails. You know, we'd
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be way out, way out, you know, two or three miles,
four miles from the car, you know, down a pretty
rough trail, nothing crazy, And it really scared me because
I felt like that, you know, if I'd ran a
foul upon someone who wanted to do his harm, I
wouldn't have been able to do anything about it, you
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know what I'm saying. So I started carrying a gun,
which they actually addressed that. They did change the laws
to a degree about carrying a weapon on federal lands
after that case. And I think you should. I think
you should think about that. You should think about security
to some degree when you're out and about like that.
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Have a plan, even a mild discussion with say your
partner or your children if you have older children, especially
as to what to do if something goes bad and
some people may think that's being paranoid, but I think
just a little bit of preparation could go a long
way if the situation ever went south.
Speaker 1 (35:26):
Well, absolutely, I mean we don't have a rash of
crimes fortunately in the United States in our national parks
right or state parks, which is you know, which is good?
I mean, I think for the most part, people are
safe when they go out about, but there's always that chance. Well,
the Gary Hilton case and as you mentioned, being so
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close you know, to our hometown, really left to mark
on me. Yeah, because for years I've been a solo hiker,
Like I don't mind to go off on a trail
by myself in the woods for hours, you know, do
a four or five mile hog by myself.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
Yeah. You've even contemplated doing some of the Appalachian Trail
by yourself, right, Well, we've talked about that.
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Yeah, but you said you couldn't live without me, Well
I can't. You don't want to let me go?
Speaker 2 (36:13):
No, I'm pretty sure I won't make it without you.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
I know, there's so many things you won't be able
to do on your own. It's really pitiful.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Oh baby, I need you have to get you a babysitter. No, well,
maybe one of our listeners will look after me while
you're going.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Got to get a babysitter for Dylan's and I'll.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Come by check my letter box and feed me.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yes, yes, Dylan. I have to say we were discussing
horror movies. I happened to watch horror film last night.
It was the new VHS Halloween VHS.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Yes, a brand new installment of the VHS series. If
you're not familiar with them, most of them are fairly
creepy movies around footage.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Yeah right, this one was so brutal and kind of gory.
I had to turn it off. I couldn't finish watching it. Look,
which is rare for me.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
They're typically I think they're always an anthology of sorts.
You have multiple stories, and in my usual fashion, I
watched the beginning of the movie with you and then felt.
Speaker 1 (37:16):
We were snoring in my ear.
Speaker 2 (37:17):
Yes, yeah, but even the first will you call them vignettes?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Sure, even the first installment or first story on it
on this movie was fucking some like Guerrel mor del Toro,
not Marrish. I don't even know what was going on.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
You mean, like the babies.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, oh yeah, and I don't I don't know what
was happening, but it was. It was weird, it was unsettling.
So it doesn't surprise me that it only got worse
from there.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
It sounds like, yeah, well there was a storyline that
involved children, Okay, Yeah, and once you involved kids into
I mean I was kind of like surprised that they
took it as far as they did, really, yeah, because
it was almost like displaying this frazzle drip QAnon oh
(38:12):
kind of shit.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
Yeah, wow, Okay, I have to watch this out of curiosity.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Like, oh, we're going to take this idea of this
conspiracy theory and we're going to.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
Make a horror.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
Yeah. And it was fucked up and I had to
turn it off.
Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh wow, I just can't with kids. Damn damn VHS
going hard in the pain. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I was surprised, honestly because this film. I've seen the
others and I'm just kind of like, meh, wow, I
thought super I have not really been super impressed with
that franchise over the years.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
I thought the first one had some merit or it
was good, but then I think you know that there
was They made those fairly quickly. The couple few after
the first one, I was like, okay, well.
Speaker 1 (38:54):
Like the eighty four was like eighty they tried to
do like a retro.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, yeah, I'm like over it. But I don't know
what this new this VHS Halloween.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
I don't Yeah, if you want to watch a messed
up film, that's the one right there.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
All right, So thank you for this discussion on Wolf Creek.
I've been looking forward. I've been looking forward to this,
and yeah, it's a it's a just if you haven't
seen the movie, we hope you have if you've sat
through this conversation, But that's a messed up movie based
on a messed up true story, for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah, for sure, Dylan. All right, thank you for sitting
down with me today to discuss Wolf Creek.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Thank you. Yeah, and until next time. I can't wait
to see what you bring forth next. For us, we
are digging our way. We're halfway through the spooky season, right,
almost two thirds of the way. Where does it go?
You know?
Speaker 1 (39:49):
Well, if you want to know our next film, that
is up for discussion, and we will be watching the
Charlie Theron Monster.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
Okay movie, so check that out. Okay, can't Wait by
Dylan by
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