1752 - "Pell-Mell" - No Agenda Show

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I have a niner.
Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Thursday, April 3rd, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gilbert Nation Media
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6.
Good morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's time
to filibuster the show, I'm John C.
Dvorak.
It's still quite in the morning.
I want everyone to know that John and
I are wearing catheters on the show.
So we can continue to bring you the
best media deconstruction non-stop.

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They always say that.
Well, that person who stood there for 24
hours, they had a catheter.
Remember that crazy woman who did that?
No.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you talking about the space astronaut?
No, no.
No, she was wearing a diaper.
I think Cory Booker's wearing a diaper.

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Makes more sense.
There was another filibuster.
Ted Cruz did one.
No, no, it was in the Texas Senate,
I think.
Oh, just the abortion bill or whatever it
was?
Yeah, it was that Wendy Davis, that's who
it was.

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Wendy.
Wendy Davis.
What ever happened to Wendy?
She disappeared.
Well, whatever did happen to Wendy Davis.
I remember, because I was still in Austin
then.
And I think, in fact, I think I
still hung out with the artist and her.
Ah, the artist.

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The artist, yeah.
Another one gone by.
Yeah, I met her.
She came to San Francisco for some art
exhibit.
Yeah, because she's an artist.
Yeah.
She was wacky.
Yeah, she was running for governor.
And I remember, I was like, the artist?
No, no, Wendy Davis.
Not the artist.

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Wendy Davis.
I remember when Wendy, oh, Wendy Davis, she's
so brave.
She's so courageous.
You know, she was wearing a catheter.
She was catheterized.
She's amazing.
To be cringe.
Yeah, so that's exactly what they said of
Cory Booker.
But I'm with you.
I think he was wearing a diaper.
I think that's much more realistic.
Yeah.

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Yeah.
What was that about, Bob?
Do you have any clips of that?
Please tell me.
I only have the summary clip.
24 hours of that.
Let's see.
What was it?
What do you have?
Is it under Booker, maybe?
Oh, it's Borey.
Booker.
I got Booker.
Booker short report.
This is a lot shorter than what he

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did.
New Jersey Democratic Senator Cory Booker has been
speaking on the floor of the U.S.
Senate since Monday evening, saying he's protesting President
Trump's agenda.
NPR's Deidre Walsh has more.
Booker began speaking on the Senate floor around
7 p.m. local time and said he
would remain there for as long as he
could to use the platform to highlight his

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opposition to Republican policies.
He stood and declared his intention to, in
his words, get in some good trouble.
I rise with the intention of disrupting the
normal business of the United States Senate.
For as long as I am physically able.
Booker's extended speech is not likely to delay
any legislation and is not technically a filibuster.

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He'll read letters he's received from constituents worried
about possible cuts to programs like Medicare, Medicaid
and Social Security.
Senators from both parties have used similar tactics
to draw attention to issues, even when they
were unable to stop Senate votes.
Well, it completely fell flat.
It was a lunatic.

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You know, the thing they tried to dramatize
it on NPR.
I didn't get this clip, but they went
on the show that compared it to the
James Stewart movie.
And Mr. Smith goes to Washington and how
James Stewart was.
He was there protesting the corruption.
And the way they as they presented, I'm

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starting to think, wait a minute.
Cory Booker is actually protesting the anti-corruption.
He was protesting for corruption.
He wanted more government.
More waste, please.
We want more waste.
Now, this is so I think Chuck Schumer
started another like, all right, everybody, we can
do this.
We all get together and we can we

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can flood flood the zone.
We'll flood the zone.
We'll tell everybody what they're doing there.
Let's just lie.
Oh, I'm sorry.
Let's tell them that they're going to take
away your Social Security.
Granny, they're doing exactly what the Republicans did
with the granny in the wheelchair.
Remember that?
They're pushing granny over the cliff.
I remember that.
Yes.
So they.
Yes, you should.

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I know.
A wheelchair going over a cliff.
So they they put together a war room,
a Social Security war room, and they all
got together and we're going to do some
speeches and we're going to scare granny.
Look, Social Security has always been the third
rail in American politics.
You touch it.
You get burnt.
George W.

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Bush learned that the hard way.
These this Trump Doge Musk vote administration is
in such a bubble.
They don't understand it.
They are so frothing at the mouth for
tax cuts.
Jacques, Jacques, who's frothing at the mouth?
Chuck Schumer is in such a bubble.

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They don't understand it.
They are so frothing at the mouth.
A gas lighter.
Oh, it gets better because we got Warren
and that other old bag tax cuts for
the wealthy that they're willing to even touch
Social Security.
And they're not just touching it.
They're trying to destroy it.
They're trying to strangle it.
Elon Musk makes eight million dollars a day.

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The American dream from the federal government.
And he wants to take away the 65
dollars a day that the average Social Security
recipient gets.
This is really ugly.
It's I mean, it's such a lie.
There is no truth, no evidence whatsoever.
This this is actually now you are scaring

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granny and other people, people and people actually
are looking at their check.
Well, let me get my check.
Let me see.
Trump and Musk know that they don't have
the votes in Congress to cut Social Security.
So instead, they're trying backdoor cuts by dismantling
the agency that makes sure that Americans get
the benefits they are legally entitled to.

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How does that even make sense?
So they know they can't do it, but
they're going to close the door.
They're going to stop the checks.
They're going to lay in front of the
mail truck.
Social Security is under siege.
The chainsaw is pointed at their earned Social
Security benefits.
We believe Republicans have manufactured a crisis of
Social Security.

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And the reality of Social Security is fully
funded for generations.
If Congress eliminated the payroll tax cut cap
for billionaires and collected the money that they
are illegally evading in taxes.
So they're getting a head start by laying
off people who are responsible for collecting taxes

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owed by the wealthy.
So then they had another tactic.
Well, I know what we'll do.
We'll tell everybody Elon's quitting because we're getting
to him.
Well, let's stay in the US where media
reports are saying that Donald Trump has told
close associates that Elon Musk will soon step
down from his job in the administration.
Mr. Musk is head of the Department of

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Government Efficiency, or DOGE, where he's in charge
of cutting federal bureaucracy.
Reports emerged after an election in Wisconsin that
developed into a test of Musk and Trump's
popularity in the state.
A tech billionaire poured millions of dollars into
the election to pick a new judge on
Wisconsin's Supreme Court.
Musk's Trump-friendly candidate lost to a liberal.

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The White House responded to the reports by
saying that Musk will depart from public service
when his work at DOGE is complete.
So they started this rumor.
Oh, Elon's quitting.
Oh, he's leaving.
Everybody jumped on it.
The news.
The news.
They had news.
Here's NBC's version.
You have some new reporting about Elon Musk

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and his White House role.
Nothing.
As we've heard from President Trump.
That'd be a good chant.
What do we know?
Nothing.
Why do we not know it?
We're dumb.
Yeah, Kate, over the last several days, we've
heard from President Trump in the Oval Office
on Monday saying that Elon Musk would be
going back to the private sector in the

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near future.
Well, we're just hearing from a senior White
House official that the president did tell his
cabinet back during a meeting on March 24th
that Elon Musk, who heads up DOGE and
of course has become a key figure in
this administration, that he would be going back
to the private sector.
And the White House official tells me that
this would be at the end of his

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130 days as a special government employee.
Of course, that would be in late March.
So of course, Kate, this- How would
that be late March of next year?
Comes on the heels of that special election
in Wisconsin yesterday, where Democrats are seeing that
as a win.
Elon Musk, of course, spending millions, his PAC

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spending millions of dollars on that state Supreme
Court race, and that his candidate lost significantly
in that race.
This all comes in that timing.
But again, the White House saying that this
was in the works before this, and this
just simply is Elon Musk's role as a
government employee running its course, Kate.
I will say when Musk was running around
on the stage in Wisconsin with the cheese

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on his head, I thought, man, you are
a Trump's monkey boy.
You're really- That's pretty bad.
He'll do whatever he wants you to.
I thought that was bad.
But I don't know.
The bottom line is Elon is political poison.
This morning, you can find some Democrats smiling,
maybe for the first time in the last
few months.
That's after some good special election results, an

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outright win in Wisconsin, and some better margins
in the state of Florida.
So what does it all mean and what
really happens- Better margins.
Data analyst, Harry Enten is here.
Let's start with a little bit of Wisconsin,
right, and a moose-boosh on Wisconsin.
Moose-boosh!
Elon Musk- Moose-boosh!
Moose-boosh!
Would you like some sorbet?

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How do they come up with these-
The chef has a special treat, especially for
you, a spoon of goo.
I had dinner the other night at, what's
it called here?
It's Cabernet Grill, which is actually probably the
best place to get steak.
And you know what they had as a
moose-boosh?

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A specialty from the chef before- A
single pistachio.
No, no, it's Cabernet Grill, man, we're Texans,
no.
They had deep-fried deviled eggs.
This was- Oh, that's a scotch egg,
I believe.
Well, but I mean, no, because it was

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really, they had really done the deviled thing
inside, you know, so it was half an
egg and they put the filling in, so
it was really a deviled egg, not a
scotch.
A scotch egg is just the whole egg.
But anyway, that was their moose-boosh.
Oh, that's interesting.
How was it?
It was probably tasty.
It was fantastic.
You know what?
Yeah, yeah, we go nuts here.

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We try all kinds of stuff in the
deep- I'm sure that's, like, invented there.
I like it.
Moose-boosh on Wisconsin.
This was a race Elon Musk spent big
in this race to sway the Supreme Court
race.
He also went to Wisconsin, which may honestly
have backfired.
Yeah, I think it may have backfired.

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Look, I think there's one thing we should
be taking away from the results in Wisconsin
and the polling that we have from Wisconsin
and National.
If you are a Republican candidate running in
a swing state, you don't want Elon Musk
anywhere near you.
Yes, maybe you like the money, but you
do not want his presence in your state.
Why is that?
Elon Musk, simply put, is an unpopular guy.
He is political poison.

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Look at Wisconsin.
It's net favorable rating.
Minus 12 points.
12 points under water.
It's an stats guy.
They forgot to mention that Soros spent more.
They try to downplay the Soros thing.
I've seen a number of stories where they
don't even mention Soros.
It's just that one side was backed by
a billionaire and the other side, oh, grassroots.

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Yeah, total grassroots, yes.
And at this point, it's got to be
Soros.
Soros has done nothing but damage the system.
Everybody he puts in has been the soft
on crime weenies.
And it's just that this is and you
think the media would side with anybody but
Soros.
But no, no, Soros is great.

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And I think it's Open Society Institute, which
has got to be Alex at this point.
I mean, George.
Yeah, no, George isn't doing anything.
Yeah, we need to say Alex Soros, just
to make it clear.
And is he now married to Aberdeen?
Is that all done?
Did that happen?
I don't think so.
Hmm.
Aberdeen, political Aberdeen, Aberdeen.

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Wisconsin is net favorable rating minus 12 points,
12 points under water.
That is an even worse number.
When you look nationally, look at that.
It's minus 17 points.
Dude, dude, easy does it.
So if there's one big lesson to take
away from Wisconsin is Elon Musk does not
help Republicans when he shows up.
If anything, the data suggests that he hurts

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him.
Republicans, stay clear of Elon Musk.
If you want to win in a swing
state, at least in terms of his physical
appearance in your state.
Oh, especially with that cheese on his head.
I'll agree.
I think the cheese on his head was
a mistake.
I would not have advised that.
I would not have advised that.
I have one of those cheese heads.
They deteriorate after about 10 years.

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Oh, they get, they start to break, break
away like in chunky pieces.
No, it's like it turns into a powder.
It's like a bad type of plastic.
It's like a foam.
They're made out of foam.
Yeah, you should get rid of that.
That's probably toxic.
Yeah, I can't find it.
With a mic.
I'm not surprised.
It's in the house somewhere.
I don't know where it is.

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So all of this fell away in the
backdrop of, and I'm just going to say,
we didn't know what happened this way.
It was unexpected.
But I think we now are officially in
World War III.
That's what this is.
It's a trade war, but we're in World
War III, Liberation Day.
And we did it backwards.
We celebrated liberation first, then we started the

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war.
It's been amazing to watch.
I've just been like, because nobody knows what's
going to happen with these tariffs.
Every economist, oh, it's going to be great.
Oh, it's going to be the worst thing
ever.
Oh, the whole world's going to go into
recession.
Depression, 1930.
It's all over.
Oh, no, this is going to make America
the best.
It's MAWA, MAWA, MAWA.

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That's the new one.
MAWA, make America wealthy again.
My fellow Americans, this is Liberation Day.
Yeah, April 2nd, 2025 will forever be remembered
as the day American industry was reborn, the
day America's destiny was reclaimed, and the day

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that we began to make America wealthy again.
Going to make it wealthy, good and wealthy.
MAWA.
For decades, our country has been looted, pillaged,
raped and plundered by nations near and far,
both friend and foe alike.
American steelworkers, autoworkers, farmers and skilled craftsmen.

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We have a lot of them here with
us today.
They really suffered gravely.
They watched in anguish as foreign leaders have
stolen our jobs.
Foreign cheaters have ransacked our factory.
Foreign scavengers have torn apart our once beautiful
American dream.
We had an American dream that you don't
hear so much about.

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You did four years ago and you are
now.
But you don't too often.
And for many years and decades, even you
didn't hear too much about our country and
its taxpayers have been ripped off for more
than 50 years.
But it is not going to happen anymore.
It's not going to happen.
So there were a couple of really interesting

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things about this announcement.
I was I was watching the I was
watching CNBC and Fox News and watching the
after hours numbers, the after hour trading and
everything kind of closed on.
It really surprised me.
Everything closed up.
And it was as if no one believed
he was going to do this.
The minute he brought that wacky chart out,

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that board, boom, everything started tanking.
Everyone's like, oh, this is the worst of
all worst possible scenarios.
We didn't expect this.
Well, what do we do like that?
But you didn't expect him to actually do
this.
And there was something else in this in
this speech, because it's not really about tariffs,
but a whole bunch of other things.

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For decades, the United States slashed our trade
barriers on other countries, while those nations placed
massive tariffs on our products and created outrageous
non-monetary barriers to decimate our industries.
And in many cases, the non-monetary barriers
were worse than the monetary ones.
They manipulated their currency, subsidized their exports, stole

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our intellectual property, imposed exorbitant VAT taxes to
disadvantage our products, adopted unfair rules and technical
standards and created filthy pollution havens.
They were absolutely filthy.
But they always came to us and they
said, we're violating China for it.
It's all detailed in a very big report

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by the U.S. trade representative on foreign
trade barriers.
And I'll just hold it up for you.
It's a big report available and you don't
have to pay too much.
As I understand it, you pay nothing.
Big report.
A lot of work.
A lot of work for something, actually, because
it's a special it's a special book.
It's very, frankly, it's very upsetting when you

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read it, when you see what people have
been doing to us for 30 years.
So it's the best book ever.
It's the best, best book ever.
30 years.
Going 30.
Oh, yeah.
Best book.
It's a beautiful book.
I started reading the book.
I'm like, my eyes are glazing over from
this book.
And the way they calculate and I was

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surprising was, you know, with a reciprocal.
And so the president put exactly 50 percent
tariffs of all the tariffs that are that
have been put on us.
So if you had 40 percent, then you
got 20 percent from us.
And the economists are flabbergasted at how they
did the calculation.
Some economists have figured out what I wanted,

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which is you're on the Trump clips.
I had a couple of clips I wanted
to get in.
Oh, yeah.
OK, sure.
Because I thought that these were the more
important clips of that speech of his, which
were the ones that have actual numbers when
he started bitching about NAFTA.
And and I believe that the NAFTA thing,
he might be right about it was the

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deciding factor.
That's it.
That's where it's 30 years comes from us,
from NAFTA.
Yeah, I think you're right, because it does
seem to match because that's Clinton came up
with NAFTA and it really did open the
drain.
That's for sure.
But since the very beginning of NAFTA, our
country lost 90,000 factories.

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Think of what that is.
Ninety thousand.
Think about putting a map up and putting
tax on it.
You wouldn't have enough room.
Ninety thousand.
I said, is that possible?
We had it checked four different times and
it was actually somewhat higher than that.
And five million manufacturing jobs were lost while
racking up trade deficits of 19 trillion dollars.

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That was the worst trade deal ever made.
As a result of these gigantic losses, foreign
nations now own twenty six trillion dollars more
of American assets than American.
Yep.
I thought those were good numbers.
Yeah.
And 90,000 is a lot.
That's a lot.

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Thank you, Bill Clinton.
And the other thing was, is that I
remember because the first thing that came to
mind with the 90,000 factories gone, the
first thing that came to mind with me
was Maytag, the washing machine company.
Yeah, better.
Yeah.
May, the greatest washing machine you could buy

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is still I mean, you still use ones
are better than the ones you can get
today.
And they took that closed down the entire
operation and moved the whole thing to Mexico.
And because of NAFTA, it is part two
of the NAFTA complaint, the United States can
no longer produce enough antibiotics to treat our

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sick.
We have a tremendous problem.
We have to go to foreign countries to
treat our sick.
If anything ever happened from a war standpoint,
we wouldn't be able to do it.
We import virtually all of our computers, phones,
televisions and electronics.
We used to dominate the field.
And now we import it all from different
countries.
A single shipyard in China now produces more

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ships every year than all of the American
shipyards combined.
Think of that.
And it was a business that we used
to dominate.
We used to dominate it totally.
In short, chronic trade deficits are no longer
merely an economic problem.
They're a national emergency that threatens our security
and our very way of life.

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So I want to play this clip from
Deutsche Welle where they explain the calculation of
the numbers because they did not really look
at the tariffs.
They looked at completely different things.
Some economists have figured out the way that
these were calculated by the White House and
its team.
And these economists have been flabbergasted at how

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cumbersome these equations are, basically saying that the
U.S. took the trade deficit that the
U.S. has with said country and divided
it by the imports from that country, which
is a very clunky way of doing things
and not as surgical as you would expect.
Some countries, though, however, of course, have tried
to stave off these tariffs.
The White House, though, says that it was

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too little too late.
A senior White House official that we heard
from said, quote, this is not a negotiation.
It's a national emergency.
And they said that the biggest problem was
not necessarily tariff, the tariffs themselves, but actually
non-tariff barriers to things like quotas, import
licenses, embargoes and things like that.
So there are still some countries, however, trying

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to work their way around these tariffs.
But right now they will be coming into
effect in the next couple of days, a
minimum of 10 percent.
But some nations paying drastically more than that.
So they were really looking at the at
the grand picture.
I think that's that's kind of smart.
It's like, look, I thought so, too, which
brings me to another clip.
If you don't mind.

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Yeah, of course.
This is the just talking to the mic,
man.
You're not you're not hitting the mic.
I'm sorry.
Yeah.
So I was reaching for something.
Yeah.
Well, talking.
What were you reaching for?
The paper that has the list of clips.
The clip list.
Very important paper.

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NPR, when they discussed this, that they were,
you know, and you saw this in most
media.
In fact, here we start with this tariff
slant NPR.
You can hear what they think behind it.
You know, it's like it is bad.
Oh, yeah.
President Donald Trump announced a sweeping plan to
apply a 10 percent tariff on all imports

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coming into the U.S. And Franco Ordonia
supports a list of countries will also face
additional, quote, reciprocal tariffs.
Some countries will face reciprocal tariffs as high
as 49 percent.
And what some experts describe as the most
aggressive changes to U.S. trade policy in
decades.
President Trump announced a plan during a Rose
Garden ceremony at the White House.

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This is one of the most important days,
in my opinion, in American history.
It's a declaration of economic independence.
U.S. officials say the 10 percent tariffs
will start April 5th.
About 60 countries will face additional customized reciprocal
tariffs starting on April 9th.
Trump boasted the plan would supercharge the industrial

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base and boost government revenues.
But most economists warn that tariffs will raise
prices for consumers and could hurt the economy.
The exact extent to which the new Trump
administration tariffs will play out in the economy
is an unknown.
But if history is any guide, while the
tariffs could create jobs in some sectors, they
will also cause job losses in others.

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Diane Swank is the chief economist at KPMG
U.S. She says the higher tariffs against
goods imported from other countries could essentially rewrite
the way global trade has been conducted, potentially
pushing up prices for U.S. consumers.
Tariffs are a regressive tax.
Not only do they tax those who can
afford it least, they also tend to trigger

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reactions by our trading partners and can trigger
a trade war.
And they cause inflation and stem growth at
the same time.
New tariffs will not apply to some goods
like steel and aluminum, which are already subject
to tariffs.
I like this that continuously calling it a
tax tax.
It's a tax.
It's a tax on your own people.

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And then Queen Ursula says, well, you know,
we're just going to have to raise our
tariffs.
Well, aren't you saying you're going to raise
taxes on your own people then?
It's a tariff.
It's a tariff.
It's never presented that way.
That's a very good observation.
Yeah, it's not.
It's never presented that.
It's only on our side.
Everything's bad about us.
And NPR, you know, they don't have a

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balance.
They don't have one guy saying something else.
I mean, I got clips.
I got it.
Of course not.
Why would you do that?
So I was stunned.
Oh.
When Planet Money.
That's is that Kyle the spook?
I don't know who it is, but no,
this is no.
That was the the other.
Oh, no.
The other the other spook.

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The other.
I don't know.
Planet Money.
Yeah.
Planet Money is similar.
And Planet Money, which is on NPR, they
played this.
These two.
I got two clips here.
And they kind of went to the and
I didn't get the memo, I guess.
And they kind of took it the other
way.
But for a long time, the dominant voices
in the profession made the case that those
tradeoffs were really worth it.

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Top lawmakers in both parties in the US
really bought into this idea that, you know,
free trade would be great for America.
And they really pushed it for the rest
of the world.
And through the decades of that argument, there's
been an economist who argued that the dominant
voices in economics were wrong, that free trade
actually sometimes held countries back and protectionism could

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help make them richer.
Hi, I'm Hajun Chang.
I'm professor of economics at the University of
London.
Hajun Chang wrote a book called Kicking Away
the Ladder in 2002 about how rich countries
used protectionist policies like tariffs back when they
were developing and then told everyone else they
couldn't do that.
They had to do free trade.

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And being a pro-tariff economist back in
the early 2000s, it was kind of lonely.
But he's got kind of the perfect example
of why tariffs can work.
My favorite example is Hyundai, the automobile company.
When Hajun was a little kid growing up
in South Korea, Hyundai was not yet an
automobile company.
Hyundai originally was a construction company, but sometime

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in the late 60s, this company decided that
they want to build an automobile manufacturing business.
So first, Hyundai had to figure out how
to make a car.
Hajun says it started by placing an order
with Ford for something called a knockdown kit,
which is just a big wooden box full
of all the parts you could ever need

(28:25):
to build one car.
The box arrives, you open it up, and
it's just full of car parts, large and
small, a door, a bolt, two headlights.
Isn't that how they put the Cybertruck together?
The knockdown kit, the knockdown kit.
Could be.
Just throw a couple of panels on it.
That's what they ended up with.
They had the wrong.

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Yeah.
Have you ever seen a knockdown kit?
No, I never have.
I've heard of them.
Huh.
Interesting.
So, so that goes from there, and then
the kicker here is exactly what you mentioned
a minute ago, which is that instead of
using the tariff number, you, you, you use

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the actual, what they actually did.
Well, the trade balance in general.
They took the trade balance.
Yeah.
But listen to this piece of of information
that how Hyundai got into business in the
first place.
And now they make a really terrific car.
But listen to what did you think they
had to do to get to the point
where they are now?
Listen.

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They assembled around 3,000 of those cars
in the late 60s.
And then in the mid 70s, South Korean
government said, we are going to cancel the
license for auto manufacturers unless they come up
with their own design.
Yeah.
The government was like, actually, we want our
car industry to be real companies, global players.

(29:51):
Assembling a Ford car is not our end
goal here.
Can you level up a little bit?
So Hyundai had to come out with their
own design.
In 1976, it made the Hyundai Pony.
It was the first Korean passenger car.
They made around 10,000 of them in
a year.
In the same year, Ford produced 1.9
million cars.

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General Motors produced 4.8 million cars.
So they had a ways to go and
they got a lot of help.
Initially, this company had to be hugely subsidized
both by the government and by its own
existing business, especially construction.
There was no way this company was going

(30:33):
to be able to make money without that.
So, yeah, Hyundai was losing money on this
new venture.
And he's saying the government decided to pitch
in, give it some subsidies and the other
parts of Hyundai that were profitable sent over
their money.
But even that wasn't enough.
Even then, it had to be protected from
foreign competition because who's going to buy this

(30:56):
two bit car when you could import a
Cadillac or, you know, Mustang?
Yeah, no way.
So import of foreign cars were completely banned.
Yeah, a total import ban, like a tariff
to infinity.
The tariff of all tariffs.
Oh, man.
That's how you do it.
Yeah.
Complete ban.

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I mean, I guess we subsidize our our
aircraft manufacturing industry with war in a way,
or maybe that doesn't even count anymore.
What so and I actually I watch a
lot of Bloomberg television, which is so much
superior to CNBC.
CNBC is just pretty people hair on fire.

(31:37):
Bloomberg is actually ugly people on Bloomberg.
And, you know, and they have just the
video is not the most important thing.
It's all the stats and the charts around
it.
And and they had Tom Ford on.
He's what is he, the the the governor
of again, of Ottawa, of Ottawa or no,
of Ontario, Ontario.

(31:59):
I think so.
And so, you know, there's a there's this
massive carve out for Mexico and for Canada
based on the USMCA, which is the renegotiated
version of NAFTA that the president did when
he was 45.
And man, it's like this.
Remember, Tom Ford, I'm going to turn off
the power.

(32:19):
We're going to fight you.
We don't care about you.
Look at me.
I smoke crack like my brother.
And this is a whole new guy.
Canada got a break and they know it.
It's great to have you with us, Mr.
Ford.
You've called this termination day instead of liberation.
What will be the response now from Canada?

(32:41):
Well, let's see where these tariffs go.
I'm cautiously optimistic that I never saw Canada
or Mexico on that list.
And it just goes to show you two
great countries working together, collaborating together and building
relationships.
So, again, I'm cautiously optimistic.

(33:02):
I think it's if that's the case, it's
the right thing for both the U.S.
and Canada.
Well, and considering Canada was not on that
list, we understand the existing regime is in
place of the tariffs that are in place
with the exemption of goods that are USMCA
compliant.
Does that mean, sir, at least in your
mind, that it wouldn't be appropriate for Canada

(33:23):
to retaliate for this at this time?
That is that is correct.
If that's the case, then I would highly
recommend to the prime minister not to retaliate.
And let's carry on a strong relationship.
Let's build the Amcan fortress, American-Canadian fortress

(33:44):
around both countries and be the wealthiest, most
prosperous, safest two countries in the world.
So he went.
Wait a minute.
He went from, you know, shutting off electricity.
This is no good.
Trump is declaring war to let's build a
fence around Amcan.
Amcan.
I never heard of that one.
Amcan.

(34:05):
He's folding here.
You suggested that Canada would bring down its
tariffs if the United States did the same.
Does this turn into a game of chicken?
Do you believe that the White House would
respond accordingly?
Well, I hope so.
You know, it's it's we're neighbors for the
last 200 years.
And when we show good faith or the

(34:27):
U.S. shows good faith, you have to
follow.
This is a partnership that's going to go
on for hopefully several hundred more years and
decades to come.
And and we have bigger concerns.
Oh, we got him.
Oh, wait, just wait for it.
Both Canada and the U.S. than each
other.
We have to keep an eye on other
countries like like China.

(34:47):
Who makes the first move in a game
like that?
Well, we'll work collaboratively with the administration and
with our prime minister, and he'll be speaking
to President Trump, I'm sure, over the next
day or so.
And we'll be working with Secretary Lutnick and
to get a clear picture of what this
means for Canada.
Now, the main thing here, which is really

(35:08):
the biggest industry that we've been talking about
and most of this deals with, you played
here and died there a minute ago, is
the auto industry.
What about what it means for the auto
sector in particular?
Because, of course, I mean, auto sector, we
learned last week that the president would announce
what he made final today, which is that
25 percent tariffs on auto imports will be
going into place.
Obviously, parts are going to be included in

(35:30):
that eventually, sir.
So what impact do you expect that alone
will have, even if tariffs on a reciprocal
tariffs were not applied to Canada today?
Well, I just hope there's no tariffs on
on auto because parts go back and forth
across the border seven, eight times before they
get assembled, either in Ontario or one of
the states, be it Michigan or other U

(35:52):
.S. states.
It's a system that works and has worked
since 1965.
I've always said you can't unscramble an egg
that's been around since 1965.
You have to make the omelette larger and
we're just so much stronger together.
We we buy as many vehicles as we
sell down there and the ones that we
ship to the U.S. 50 percent of

(36:13):
that automobile is U.S. parts.
So I think the system is working, is
working well for both countries.
And it's it's a great system, especially Canada's
buying 400 percent more vehicles off the U
.S. than Mexico does, 200 percent more than
any other country in the world.
We have an incredible relationship with the two

(36:35):
great countries.
Right.
So integrated on many different sectors.
But even the people are integrated, you know,
millions and millions of Canadians and Americans travel
back and forth across the border.
They have family members on both sides of
the border.
And we just appreciate and Canadians love Americans,
Americans.
I love the U.S. 20 years of

(36:57):
my life there.
And we have a tremendous amount of respect
and friendships with our American counterparts.
So I heard all that.
And then this is the last short clip.
Definitely, definitely, definitely someone showed a picture and
said, hey, Ford, what's that in your mouth?
Well, so how I guess in the end,
do you feel, Mr. Ford, about what we

(37:19):
heard today from the White House?
You could frame this as could have been
worse.
You could also feel betrayed by some of
the comments that President Trump delivered.
How would you describe?
Well, I never.
Yeah, I never take anything personal from President
Trump or or any anyone else.
I understand he's a businessman and that's the

(37:41):
way he conducts his business.
And fair enough.
He has a job to do.
We have a job to do.
And I think any negotiation, we meet in
the middle and make sure that we grow
to great countries and make them the strongest
in the world that no one can touch
us.
We'll ship down all the critical minerals.
We'll ship down all the oil that you

(38:03):
need and electricity, anything that you need.
We have more natural resources than anyone in
the entire world.
And again, there's no one I'd want to
ship it down to more than our great
friends and allies.
Wow.
Yeah, that was amazing.
That was amazing.
So, OK, so that worked.

(38:25):
Let's listen to the rest of the world.
Europe woke up to chaos this morning as
Trump announced sweeping tariffs on his largest trading
partners.
Good morning.
For Ursula von der Leyen, it is a
major blow to the world economy.
The global economy will massively suffer.
Uncertainty will spiral and trigger the rise of
further protectionism.

(38:45):
The costs of doing business with the United
States will drastically increase.
And what is more, there seems to be
no order in the disorder.
Among Trump's announcements, a 20 percent tariff on
all goods imported from the European Union.
I strongly believe that tariffs benefit no one.
They're bad for the world economy.

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They hurt people.
They hurt businesses.
The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled through global
Aggressivity is aggressivity.
This is a new term.
Aggressively, I think, is what she tried to
say.
Oh, look, bad for the world economy.
They hurt people.
They hurt businesses.
The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled.
No, she says aggressivity.

(39:27):
Yeah, but I think she meant aggressive.
Aggressivity, I guess.
Aggressiveness is the word I think she really
meant to say.
Do they have no line producers there?
Aggressivity.
Aggressivity.
Businesses.
The shockwaves of Trump's aggressivity rippled through global
economies.
China's finance ministry spokesperson spoke of his outrage,

(39:48):
saying it was not in line with trade
rules and called it unilateral bullying.
Whilst Mexico and Canada might have been exempt
from this round of Trump's trade war, the
countries are still reeling from the steel and
aluminum tariffs imposed in March.
Another 25 percent tariffs on cars kicked in
on Thursday.
The series of measures will directly affect millions
of Canadians.

(40:09):
We are going to fight these tariffs with
countermeasures.
We are going to protect our workers and
we are going to build the strongest economy.
As the world prepares their response, many are
bracing for the devastating impact that this trade
war will have on consumers worldwide.
It's a war.
It's a World War three and a very
different noise there from Mark Carney versus Tom

(40:31):
Ford.
I found that to be rather surprising.
There's no unity there, but we need to
check a few more people, including our many
photos from Epstein Island, including our buddy from
Australia.
It's a watershed moment for global trade.
US President Donald Trump announced universal 10 percent
tariffs on all imports into the US.

(40:53):
For some countries, this could be as high
as 50 percent.
As the world begins to wake up to
the news of these staggering tariffs, Australian Prime
Minister Antony Albanese said it was totally unwarranted.
The administration's tariffs have no basis in logic
and they go against the basis of our
two nations partnership.
This is not the act of a friend.

(41:14):
Today's decision will lead to uncertainty in the
global economy.
Come on, man.
I spent time on that.
Good work.
I'm glad you I'm glad you preannounced it.
About two nations partnership.
This is not the act of a friend.
Today's decision will add to uncertainty in the
global economy.
On the other side of the Atlantic, the

(41:34):
EU is one of the US's closest allies
and partners.
The bloc was hit with a 20 percent
tariff on all imports.
Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Maloney was the first
EU leader to respond to the news.
In a statement on Facebook, she said the
introduction of tariffs towards the European Union by
the USA is a measure that I consider
wrong and that does not suit any party.

(41:55):
We will do everything we can to work
a deal with the United States aiming to
prevent a trade war that would inevitably weaken
the West in favor of other global actors.
For many economists and political pundits, these sweeping
tariffs will have a negative impact.
The stock market was already rattled after Trump's
announcement.
Others say they threaten to push much of
the world into an economic recession.

(42:15):
If the EU and other countries retaliate, the
loss to the global economy will be one
point four trillion.
That is trillion with a T.
This, by the way, some professor who looks
like Jeff Jarvis dollars.
This is one of the most, in addition
to being economically illiterate speeches, it is accompanied
by the most economically damaging actions that have
been taken since the last round of high

(42:37):
tariffs, which was in the 1930s, which helped
lead to the Great Depression.
But Trump called it Liberation Day, promising these
measures will pay off for the US.
You know, yeah, I have to play this
guy.
This is another economist.
This guy was in the.
Mainly because they keep bringing up smooth hauling,
and I think Horowitz brought it up to

(42:58):
me, too, but I just want to smooth
hauling who smooth hauling was that was the
extra tariffs they added right after the stock
market collapsed.
In 2020.
In 1929.
Oh, OK.
Yes.
OK, that's it.
So they were tariffing at the time and

(43:19):
then the stock market collapsed in around 1930,
31 period.
They introduced a smooth hauling, which added more
tariffs on top of the tariffs you already
had.
Right.
And it collapsed.
They think it may have contributed to the
continued collapse of the economy in the 30s.
Well, the way the way the way the
way I keep hearing it is when we

(43:39):
put tariffs on in 1929, it caused the
Great Depression.
That's what I keep hearing.
Yeah, it's that and that this clip clarifies
that.
No, that the smooth hauling came in after
the crash.
OK, but they still can say because it
was before 1933, which was the bottom of
the crash, they can still say cause the,
you know, all right.
But the funny thing was the one little

(44:01):
element that I didn't realize until I heard
this guy talk.
This is a guy named Joe LaVagna.
It's under the Joe's the clip we're talking
about.
Yeah, this guy was a council of economic
advisors.
Guy, very smart guy.
Typical of the other side of the argument
guy that nobody else seems to be wanting
to put on.
So Charles Payne did on his show on

(44:23):
Fox Business.
Now, the thing that he noted, and it
was kind of stepped on by pain in
this because he likes to chat, but is
that smooth hauling when it was additional tariffs
caused deflation, not inflation.
How interesting.
And during the Great Depression, it was a

(44:45):
deflationary period.
It didn't cause inflation.
It caused just the opposite.
So the argument about about this causing inflation
is nonsense.
And this guy makes the point of the
reason why.
And if and I will just summarize in
advance, people are always all they're all big
shots about, you know, Mises.
And they're all, well, you know, there's all

(45:07):
these all these theories about supply side economics
and Milton Friedman and all the rest of
it.
And Friedman himself has talked about this to
an extreme.
Inflation's always caused by the money supply, period.
Thank you.
We're how much of this do you think
will be absorbed in margins of corporations, adorbs

(45:28):
on a retail and wholesale level, as opposed
to just directly passed on to the consumer?
A lot will be absorbed in the margin,
which is probably for some companies bad for
their stock back in.
It's a smaller subset, of course, back in
18, 19.
But most of it was absorbed in the
margin.
None of it was paid by the U
.S. buyer, although that could change in the

(45:48):
next go around.
But, you know, Charles, I'm looking at this
chart.
The one I'd add another row because I
see CPI increases and this concept that these
tariffs are inflationary.
That's a misnomer.
Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon
or monetary and credit phenomenon.
It's a price level adjustment.
Ultimately, that'll be offset elsewhere if the Fed

(46:09):
doesn't increase the money supply.
And this notion somehow that we're going to
have high inflation because of tariffs just is
not accurate.
I mean, and to your point, I mean,
even Smoot-Hawley, the 1930s, we had the
greatest deflationary period in history, not inflationary, deflationary
in history.
I was arguing with someone on another show
recently about that.

(46:30):
And if you look back in the 20s,
the U.S. was like China is today.
We were a massive exporter of goods and
we had big trade surpluses.
So when the Fed let a lot of
banks fail and the money supply collapsed back
in the late 20s, we were a big
exporter of goods.
So when Smoot-Hawley went in, we actually
hurt ourselves.
It's the exact opposite today.

(46:51):
Yeah, the exact opposite.
Well, I mean, what you're seeing is the
refi mission is on track.
The 10 year is almost at four percent.
The dollar has weakened, which is what you
want for exports.
And I see here on CNBC, President Trump
says tariff rollout going very well.
This is going very well.

(47:13):
Markets will boom.
There was another little tidbit in there that
I thought was interesting, which I think accounts
for the market, the stock market collapsing.
Well, because the money is leaving America.
This is why people like Horowitz are pissed.
No, no, no.
The reason it was collapsing, if you listen
to that in that within that clip, he
said that most of the with tariffs, most

(47:36):
of it is taken up by most of
it's made up for by the companies themselves
and they're shrinking margins.
Yeah.
Oh, which hurts their stock.
In other words.
Yes.
So you're you're making you like Apple, for
example, has tremendous margins.
And so they could actually keep the prices

(47:56):
the same, but they'd have to cut their
margin to an extreme, which would hurt the
stock price.
Your PD ratio goes down.
So the market right now is not collapsing
because money's leaving the country, but it's because
they're they're adjusting for the future because the
markets are saying, well, this is not going
to be good for the.
So we have to, you know, our our
stocks are going to be worth that much

(48:16):
more because good point makers, but the profits
are going to be what it was.
So so what the naysayers would say is
and I'm obviously not the expert here.
You are much more versed in this.
The naysayers will say, well, they're all just
going to jack the prices up, which is
what they keep saying, but it doesn't seem
likely.
It's like certainly companies like Apple can take

(48:38):
a little bit of a hit.
They can take a huge hit.
And the the prices don't need to get
jacked up and people will stop buying.
And if you don't buy, you know, you're
not going to sell anything, obviously.
Well, it's too high.
I'm not going to pay for that.
Also, I'll wait.
I mean, just because something's on the market

(48:58):
and it doesn't mean you have to buy
it if it goes up in price.
Right.
Right.
So I have a couple of clips here
from Scott Besant.
Again, from Bloomberg, and everybody was doing the
rounds.
Everybody was doing the rounds.
So I'll skip the intro and go straight

(49:19):
to the negotiations question.
We're going to have the baseline tariffs come
into effect first.
First, then the reciprocal tariffs, a little bit
more of a different rate for each individual
trading partner.
Are you preparing to negotiate with some of
these trading partners before that tariff rate comes
into effect on April 9th?
Well, I think there have been a lot
of discussions, but I think we're just going
to have to wait and see what would

(49:39):
happen.
What I would say, Anne-Marie, is I
would advise none of the countries to panic.
I wouldn't try to retaliate because as long
as you don't retaliate, this is the high
end of the number.
And I think the market could have certainty
that this is the number barring retaliation.
And so we've got a ceiling and then

(50:02):
we can see if there's a different floor.
I also think doing this half the rate
is really genius because it's much easier to
ratchet it up to parody.
You know, and Trump made this whole this
thing about we're nice people.
We're nice people.
So we're not going to hit you that
hard.
We're only going to hit you with half.
I mean, this is, as Besant will tell

(50:23):
you here, this is the art of the
deal.
So you sound like you're ready for negotiation
with a number of these partners.
Has the European Union, has China, has India,
have these countries reached out?
Well, they've all reached out, but it's going
to be up to President Trump to see
what he wants to do.
I think the mindset might be to let
things settle for a while.

(50:45):
Their tariffs or non-tariff barriers have been
on a long time, so we'll see where
it goes from here.
When it comes to China, they have a
much higher rate on this list.
On top of that, there's still that 20
percent fentanyl tariff rate.
Is all of this coming together to be
more than a 50 percent tariff rate for
Beijing?
Well, yes, I think it is.
And I think it's a combination of things.

(51:07):
And, you know, again, that I think China
said today that solving the fentanyl crisis depends
on taking off the fentanyl tariffs.
And I'm pretty sure that's not the way
the sequencing is going to work.
They're exporting the precursor chemicals.
And every every day, every week, every month,
Americans are dying.
And it's going to have to stop.

(51:28):
So then he throws in, because, of course,
the market is something Bloomberg wants to talk
about, he throws in a nice little term
here that made me smile.
OK, but since the peaks in February, stocks
are down eight percent.
I think the Nasdaq from its high most
recently is down 12 percent.
So far, though, these kind of this kind

(51:48):
of market downdraft so far this year is
not concerning you.
Well, look, in my old business, I was
very concerned about market movements.
And I'm trying to be a secretary of
Treasury, not a market commentator.
What I would point out is that especially
the Nasdaq, Nasdaq peaked on deep seek day
that so that's a mag seven problem, not

(52:10):
a MAGA problem.
No, yeah.
Peaked on deep seek mag seven problem, not
a MAGA problem.
Oh, yes.
Bye bye.
Now, the other side of this is critical
for it all to work.
And the president made that clear in his
rose garden.
Hold up the sign speech.
The tax cuts are necessary to keep real

(52:33):
wages up.
And that's the big one here.
OK, so let's talk about what else you've
been spending a lot of your time doing.
You have been up on Capitol Hill constantly.
You are really working on trying to make
sure that this administration can extend the Tax
Cuts and Jobs Act.
On top of that, more tax cuts.

(52:54):
Right now, how are the conversations going in
Congress?
Well, I actually think the most underreported story
in Washington, not by Bloomberg, of course, is
the incredible unanimity, unity amongst.
He's having problems talking today.
He's got bird feathers in his throat, I
think.
Well, what's he giving the business to Bloomberg

(53:14):
for?
Says everyone's talking about this, not Bloomberg.
Yeah, well, I think he's just being show
busy.
You know, it's what you do.
It's like, oh, you know, Joe, only people
on your show talk the truth.
Unanimity, unity amongst Republicans.
And I think it's President Trump's leadership.

(53:35):
But Mike Johnson, with a very narrow margin,
issued the reconciliation instructions.
And then he also passed a clean, continuing
resolution on the Senate side.
They are very attentive.
And I think they may have something done
by this Saturday.

(53:55):
Oh, do you imagine that?
By this Saturday?
No way.
Well, that's what he said.
That's what he said.
Final clip here is about the consumers.
Well, all this is happening.
Consumer sentiment has definitely taken a bit of
a dive.
Expectations for inflation have gone up.
Banks like Goldman are cutting their GDP forecast,

(54:18):
saying potentially the Fed is going to have
to cut rates, not the good kind of
cuts, the kind of cuts because they're nervous
about growth.
How concerned are you that the timing of
all this is going to be incredibly challenging?
I was waiting for you.
Where were you?
She said not the good kind of cuts.
No.
What is she talking about?

(54:38):
She's trying to slip in, I think, tax
cuts for the rich, which is the narrative
that has just been drummed into everybody's head.
But no, it's not.
In fact, the rich are disadvantaged by this
whole deal.
If you've got a lot of stocks and
bonds, it's at a disadvantage to the rich.
Not only that, but if you remember the

(55:00):
first go around back in Trump's first term,
we had our our our gay accountant guy.
Yeah.
Who is the anonymous handles the big, big
money.
Yeah.
The anonymous guy.
Yeah.
Anonymous way beneath his his way beneath us.
But he deigns to give us information every

(55:20):
so often was telling us how that that
all his rich clients, which is he's loaded
with them, were bitching and moaning about where's
my tax cut for the rich?
Because it was it did not exist.
In fact, they were getting screwed because they
weren't letting him take off enough interest from
their taxes.
They've changed that rule.

(55:41):
And that was didn't that went kind of
undiscussed by the mainstream media.
So this bull crap, this and the fact
that they keep harping, the Democrats keep harping
on this tax cuts for the rich nonsense.
It's an embarrassment.
It really is, because it's just I mean,
it still works within the media circles because
you hear her kind of falling for it.

(56:02):
But the tax cuts will be no tax
on Social Security.
So Social Security checks will it should in
actuality go up.
No tax.
No, the Social Security checks will not go
up.
If if but they're taxed, aren't they?
No, they're not taxed.
You do have to put them up.
You get your Social Security at the end

(56:23):
of the year.
You get a ten ninety nine.
You better put it on your taxes.
I'm sorry.
Yes.
OK, so the checks won't go up, but
effectively the money goes up.
No taxes on tips.
Interest deduction on your car loan, if it's
an American made car.
And and salt becomes deductible again or unlimited.

(56:47):
Dude.
That that would make a difference and that
would make a difference to to billionaires, too,
obviously.
And let's finish this off.
The cut rates, not the good kind of
cuts, the kind of cuts because they're nervous
about growth.
How concerned are you that the timing of
all this is going to be incredibly challenging
because of how the American consumer, how corporate

(57:11):
America is feeling at this moment?
Well, it tells me a couple of things.
One, we got to get the tax bill
done quickly.
So because that's a confidence builder.
And two, we're seeing sentiment surveys from the
American people, but we haven't actually seen them
take action.
If the households actually thought that they were
going to be employed, if their real inflation

(57:32):
expectations had increased, what would they be doing?
They'd be hoarding goods and they would be
demanding wage increases.
And neither one of those has happened yet.
So at the moment, you're not concerned about
some of the soft data we're seeing?
No, I see nothing.
And one of the great things, many great
things about being a treasury is we have
lots of business people come through.

(57:54):
And everything we're seeing in the economy is
still very solid.
And executives haven't voiced any of these concerns
on to you.
No, there's there's some idiosyncratic things.
But in terms of the expectations actually turning
into hard data, none of them have seen
it yet.
So nobody really knows anything.

(58:16):
Everyone's just saying, oh, if all these things
come together, it'll work.
I have a sneaky suspicion it's really going
to work.
And it may start working sooner than people
think.
But I don't think anybody really knows.
It's certainly unprecedented.
He certainly is shaking things up.

(58:37):
Well, this seems overdue.
Yes, because we actually don't make anything except
jets and bombs.
Well, and what I love is guys like
our buddy there in North Carolina after the
after the storm, you know, he started Pearl
Boot Company.
Nice looking boots.
Good price.
American made American leather.

(58:59):
You know, I think he's trying to resurrect
the shoe company.
You know, Vietnam, huh?
Say goodbye to your cheap Timu crap.
That's over.
And that's OK.
I'm OK if we if we can't buy
cheap crap anymore, it's crap.
There's a lot of high quality products coming
out of Asia.

(59:19):
That's the real problem.
You can call it crap.
Like what?
Like what do you buy?
Nikon cameras are made in China.
This is one of the finest cameras you
can buy.
Do you really need it?
Well, I already have one.
Exactly.
So next.
But but it's not cheap crap.
OK, but there's a lot of I agree.
There's a lot of cheap crap that comes
out.
It looks like it should be fine.

(59:41):
And then, you know, a couple of years
later, it breaks.
How about unnecessary crap?
We don't need all the crap, whether it's
cheap or not.
No, the reason we have all this crap
is because it's cheap.
Exactly.
The Chinese have done that.
They have this part of their philosophy and
which has always been kind of interesting to
me, is that they just go into a

(01:00:01):
market and make it a product cheap to
the point where nobody can compete because they
got subsidies and they got all kinds of
they get cheating ways.
They steal intellectual property, which is Trump complained
about.
And they make a cheap product.
And then they then they take over the
market completely.
Nobody wants to even bother competing with them.
And they never go into monopoly.

(01:00:22):
They never go into the monopolistic mentality.
They just keep it cheap.
Yeah.
It's like total alien to all Western civilization.
That's not what you do.
What you're supposed to do is you wipe
out a market, take it.
You now you own the market and now
you gouge the customer.
That's what we do.

(01:00:42):
That's the that's America.
Phone number one, Western, Western philosophies is British
is actually where it really comes from.
And and that's what you do, because that's
why that's why you go through the trouble
of taking the market over.
You go through a lot of effort to
get the market to yourself.
And then once you get it to yourself,
you gouge.
The Chinese never go to the gouging phase.

(01:01:06):
I'll tell you, you know, I'm not in
the market for a car.
I think I probably bought my last car.
You know, it can last another 20 years
easy.
No, then I'll just need a golf cart.
Well, one of those one of those Wal
-Mart things.
But if I were in the market for
a new car, I'd be looking at an
American car.
Why not?
And this is in the past, presidents, you

(01:01:28):
know, Bush one and two and Clinton.
I was like, buy America.
We're going to buy America to buy America,
act by and Obama, buy America.
They they were there's right with this good
union jobs.
He didn't do anything for the unions.
They're all on Trump's side now.
Of course they are.
But, you know, so what Trump did is
he actually did it instead of just making

(01:01:49):
a marketing campaign.
Oh, we're going to buy America.
Oh, goodbye.
Put a flag on it.
It'll sell.
No, I'm looking forward to our ingenuity.
I'm looking forward to a lot of young
people with high school diplomas skipping the indoctrination
factory and going into robotics, stuff like this.

(01:02:13):
Welding.
Well, man, welding, welding.
You can make 90 bucks an hour welding.
Unbelievable.
You know, and OK, so I don't know,
I feel good about it.
I do.
And of course, we will we will never,
ever impose a tax on our friends for

(01:02:35):
no agenda show donations, no tariffs.
It's reciprocal.
We give you value.
You accept that without a tariff.
We receive value from you.
No tariff.
Because we're good people.
We're nice people.
Now, the EU immediately tries to, oh, we'll
get him with this one.
Check it out.

(01:02:55):
The European Union is sticking to its plans
to enforce new laws on social media platforms
like X, TikTok and Facebook.
Despite pressure from the US in an interview
with Euronews, European Commission Executive Vice President Hanna
Varkunen, who oversees security and technology, explains that
these laws are vital to protecting democracy from

(01:03:16):
disinformation and market abuses.
Our rules are very fair because they are
same rules for everybody who is operating and
doing business in the European Union.
So we have same rules for the European
companies, for American companies, for the Chinese companies.
The Digital Services Act, which addresses disinformation and
the Digital Markets Act aimed at ensuring a
fair digital economy have come under significant scrutiny

(01:03:38):
from Donald Trump's prominent advisor, Elon Musk.
The EU will not resile from implementing the
DSA and DMA where and when needed, despite
the confrontation with the United States.
It's super important for us that we are
fully enforcing DMA and DSA, because when it
comes to DMA, then we want to make
sure that the big players, that they are

(01:04:01):
not the dominant players.
They are not misusing their market power, that
also new innovations can enter to the markets
in the European Union.
And DSA is very much for making sure
that illegal content and products are taken down
and we have safe and democratic, fair environment.
Now, it's not up to me, of course,
but it wouldn't be just fabulous if X

(01:04:25):
and Facebook or X and Meta and even
Google just said, you know what, no more
services for you.
Go make your own social network, go do
your own search.
That would be so much.
I can imagine what a disarray they would
be in if that happened.
Well, you think they, you know, if they

(01:04:46):
had the capabilities to do anything, they would
have done it by now.
Oh, the Europeans?
Yeah.
No, they're kind of preannouncing they're going to
do.
They're going to they're going to do.
They're going to start.
They're not going to do anything.
They can't do anything.
They haven't got what it takes.
All they can do is fines, fines, fines,
fines.
Oh, you you overstep the bounds.
I'm just saying it would be fun to
cut them off.

(01:05:07):
Just cut them off.
Like, yeah, we're not that way.
President Curry would shut him off.
And it turns out, turns out we are
pretty right about the true value of TikTok
because it's really just a shop with a
social network around it, because who's the new

(01:05:29):
bidder?
Amazon has submitted a bid to buy TikTok.
Media reports say the offer to buy the
social media app was made to the White
House.
It comes just days before Saturday's deadline for
TikTok's owner, ByteDance, to divest itself of the
app's U.S. operations.
CNBC reports that mobile technology company Applovin has
also made a bid for TikTok.
If there's no deal to buy TikTok before

(01:05:50):
the April 5th deadline, the app again faces
a potential shutdown of its U.S. operations,
which would severely hurt the show.
Obviously, well, it would hurt.
I don't think that you actually believe that.
Believe what?
That it would hurt the show.
I would.
Well, I have a clip today that that

(01:06:12):
begs to differ.
Oh, you have a TikTok?
I do.
I do.
I have.
Well, I have.
First of all, I have to tick that
when you just played, I have a kind
of another summary just so we can do
the TikTok.
The TikTok story, I can read the story.
Story conundrum.
You should work for Euronews.

(01:06:35):
Top officials in the Trump administration are set
to meet today to discuss a TikTok deal.
As NPR's Bobby Allen explains, Trump has set
Saturday as a sell by date for the
video app under a federal ban law.
It's not noticeable by using the app, but
TikTok is technically operating in violation of a
law Congress passed requiring the service to sever
ties with China.
The Trump administration has promised not to enforce

(01:06:55):
the law, while President Trump holds something of
a public auction for the hit app.
Now, President Trump is set to meet with
Vice President J.D. Vance and other advisers
to weigh TikTok's options.
Software company Oracle, owned by Trump supporter and
billionaire Larry Ellison, appears to be leading the
pack of bidders.
The New York Times reported Amazon has sent
in a last minute TikTok offer.
Yet one key hurdle remains winning the approval

(01:07:17):
of Chinese regulators, who may use TikTok as
leverage in tariff negotiations.
Amazon is the only logical choice, but Amazon
will ruin it.
Of course they will ruin it, but I
think Oracle would, too.
Yeah, well, because with Oracle, they have no
business model because Oracle doesn't have a shop

(01:07:38):
to plug into it.
And and the the bizarre thing is, is
when Podshow pivoted, we're going to make a
pivot.
Everybody to me, Vio and video.
That we pitched so hard to tell Amazon
you want to have shows built around your
shopping.
I'll give Bloom that still a good idea

(01:07:59):
is a great idea.
But if Amazon buys TikTok, will we ever
get a clip like this?
You actually don't see homosexual behavior like out
in nature, like you don't see other mammals
behaving almost sexually, only humans, because they came
up with it in their brains.
Really?
You've never met a gay dog.
You think every dog you've ever met is

(01:08:20):
straight.
You've never met a dog that even gave
you a vibe.
Baby dogs are almost as gay as dolphins.
You need to get it together, my guy.
You need to get it.
I like that.
You need to get it together, my guy.
Dogs are gay.
It's gay as dolphins, as gay as dolphins.
Have you ever seen?

(01:08:41):
Do you think you've ever had a gay
dog?
It's a serious question.
I mean, it's possible.
I don't know.
I've had several dogs in my life.
I cannot remember one that I got a
vibe from.
Vibe.
Yeah, you know, gay vibe.
Gay vibe.
Looks like you're funny.
Gay vibe from my dog.
How come you're not picking up that quarter
that's there?

(01:09:07):
Well, I have something since you got the
TikTok going.
Oh, TikTok.
Stop.
Talk.
Talk.
TikTok.
All right.
Don't do that.
I have four clips.
Save some for the end.
Do two and save two for the end.
Do two now.
It's called programming.
OK, I can do that.
Yeah, well, don't.

(01:09:27):
Don't start with the old one, which has
been sitting around, which is the arrogant Fourth
of July girl.
OK, if you voted for this, do not
celebrate the Fourth of July.
Do not celebrate the Fourth of July.
I know the left has complicated feelings about
the Fourth of July.
And it's like to be so patriotic and
celebrate a country that was built on the
backs of colonialism and G-side and bigotry.

(01:09:50):
But I dare I say this Fourth of
July, I say we reclaim patriotism in the
name of improving our country and making it
great for the first time.
Hopefully, if we're ever able to, without completely
dismantling the country and building a new one,
which I really hope is the way to
do it.
But if you voted for it, if you

(01:10:12):
voted for this, you do not love this
country.
You do not love the people in it.
You do not deserve to rep like to
proudly celebrate the country because you're destroying it
is also if you're apathetic and have said
anything about anything that's going on.
Also, you shouldn't celebrate the Fourth of July.
None of you guys should celebrate the Fourth
of July.
You should feel embarrassed.
You should know that we're all looking at

(01:10:33):
you a little funny.
Like I know you guys don't know how
to read, but read the room.
Boy, I'll miss them.
I'll miss them when Amazon buys it.
This is all going away.
It's all going away.
Well, yeah, maybe get him in now.
Here, let's go to the redheaded liberal.

(01:10:55):
This should come as absolutely no surprise.
But Donald Trump has the lowest approval rating
of all time with one exception.
Do you know what that exception is?
Do you know who else had the lowest
approval rating that he is coming in second
to Donald Trump?

(01:11:16):
It's him.
His first term.
I knew he was at the lowest approval
rating at this point.
So he's number one in that regard.
And he's bringing the rest of the country
down.
Even people who voted for him, who are
not diehard maggots, can acknowledge that he is
not doing right by them.

(01:11:37):
There are so many people in the federal
government who are fed up from what they've
seen in less than two months so far.
We are not even two months in to
his current presidency, and he is screwing things
up every single day.
And then there's Elon Musk.
Well, this brings me to the slate money

(01:11:59):
podcast.
This is a, you know, financial podcast.
We talk about things that are on slate
on who owns slate is slate its own
thing.
Or is that Washington Post?
Wapo, wapo, wapo.
So they have a podcast.
It's always been a left wing operation.
So so I'm going to listen to what

(01:12:20):
amounts to modern neocommunists.
Yeah, about about money and investment.
I don't think I would say trans Maoists
more because the question here is all of
these unhappy liberals, but let's call them delusional
Dems for purpose of example.

(01:12:41):
Where are they going to move to when
they leave our our sinking ship?
This horrible atrocity, this fascistic state, this this
trash heap that Donald Trump has turned just
into into a rat infested piece of crap.
Where are they going to move to and
why?
So wait, I just want to follow up

(01:13:01):
because I'm now I'm looking at the New
York Times article and its characteristics of places
Democrats were more likely to move to.
31% of Democrats were more likely to
move to a place within five miles of
a Trader Joe's, only 10% of Republicans.
It gets much better.
Republicans have no list of a store on
their characteristics.

(01:13:21):
There's where property tax below point five percent
within five miles of a forest.
Whoa.
Ask pro shop, rural or small town.
They're twice as likely to move to a
rural or small town than Democrats.
Well, another way to look at it is
the way the administration is treating marginalized communities
is a big factor, too.

(01:13:42):
If you have a kid, I think this
may be a marginalized community speaking trans or
you're an immigrant and you may not feel
safe in a neighborhood that's super red.
So that was definitely like one of the
guys I talked to who does foreign residency
and foreign passports.
He was like, I had nine families with
trans kids.

(01:14:02):
What contacted him within a week after Trump
signed one of his anti-trans executive orders?
Interesting.
A pro woman bill is, according to Slate,
an anti-trans executive order.
That's that's a good way of putting it.
They were just like, we have a kid
who is who has is undergoing medical care

(01:14:24):
for which they need medical care, medical care.
You mean puberty blockers and stuff like that?
Medical care.
Drugs and they need to take the drugs
continuously.
And we're very worried that those drugs are
not going to be available to us in
the United States.
We want to make sure that we're living
somewhere where those drugs are available.
Well, relatedly, I talked to a guy last

(01:14:44):
night who has HIV and has been treated
for it for the last 15 years.
And he said, I'm not sure I'm going
to be able to get the drugs that
I need this time next year.
And he said, if I don't have them,
I have two years to live.
So it's really existential for a lot of
people.
Why would it be difficult to get HIV
drugs?
Because the Trump administration is cutting funding and
programming.

(01:15:05):
And they're not just available on health insurance.
So it's too expensive.
No, I mean, they're they're cutting treatment.
You know, a lot of the clinics that
provide HIV drugs and particularly at low cost
to people are having their funding cut off
by the administration.
And it seems to be, you know, a
political issue.
Complete bullcrap.
There's no clinics getting their funding cut off.

(01:15:30):
It's how they make this stuff up as
they go along, because they think that's probably
what they would be doing if they were
on the.
Well, that's an interesting projection of some sort.
That's an interesting thought.
That's an interesting thought.
They are speaking of drugs.
I got some interesting notes from producers.

(01:15:50):
And one of our producers, he said, you
know, is driving along and I'm listening to
the report about the pope.
And, you know, that that he almost died
and they they had to decide whether to
just let him die.
And he says that this was a flub
that the news model said that they were

(01:16:10):
going to they were considering taking him off
as adrenochrome.
But then she corrected herself.
The critical moment came on February 28th when
the pope had a breathing crisis.
The choice was whether to stop treatment and
let him pass or try more aggressive drugs.
A dream.
Oh, I drew.
Wow.

(01:16:30):
That's a that's an obscure catch, but I
might be right.
I like it.
Or try more aggressive drugs.
A drink, a drink, aggressive drugs, adrenochrome.
I'm just saying.
But the best one.
Wow.
That's a good that that's the funniest catch
of the day.
Well, here's another one.

(01:16:51):
This is from Salah.
Salah says, I'm a truck driver just now
listening to Sunday show in the clip where
RFK Jr. is talking about downsizing.
He talks about merging it into a new
unit with the acronym acronym.
Aha.
Growing up with my father, who was Arabic,
I never learned the language, but you definitely

(01:17:12):
pick up assorted words and definitely the swear
words.
Aha.
Exactly how RFK pronounce it is slang in
my dad's mostly Egyptian dialect for shit or
damn.
Listen to how he says it so we
can replicate it.
Kennedy also plans to consolidate agencies within HHS
or can eliminate an entire alphabet soup of

(01:17:35):
departments and agencies while preserving their core functions
by merging them into a new organization called
the Administration for a Healthy America or AHA.
The FDA will lose three five hundred.
Aha.
Aha.
So it's aha.
Don't say that.
Aha.
Don't say that in Egypt, people.

(01:17:58):
Aha.
Language is a funny thing.
Aha.
Aha.
I have some more.
Do you want is anything you want to
jump in on here?
Because I have I have a couple more
series of some kind of interesting stuff.
I have.
Yeah, I got a couple of series I
got to.
Well, I can put this like Dead B

(01:18:20):
should be a second half of show.
Why don't you go ahead?
I got plenty of stuff.
Well, we have a new show.
And it's called the Mark and Marco show.
And if this keeps on going, we need
a jingle.
It's the Mark and Marco show.
It's the Mark and Mark and Marco.
Yes.
Mark Rutte.
Mark Rutte has a show with Marco.

(01:18:41):
You know, Marco, your secretary of state, Marco.
Hello, Marco.
Marco, I want to commend you for your
tireless diplomacy over the last couple of months.
You've traveled the whole world.
You travel the whole world.
How many points do you have on your
on your frequent flyer miles?
I also want to thank you for what

(01:19:02):
you did before as a senator supporting NATO.
And we will have a lot to discuss
over the coming two days.
Of course, Ukraine.
Yes.
As I said before, President Trump, the team
you broke the deadlock.
You started a process of negotiations.
Very good.
You started it because I know I'm here
to get you more money, Marco.

(01:19:22):
With our full support to bring the Ukraine
war to a lasting, to a durable peace.
And in the meantime, the Europeans are stepping
up.
They're stepping up.
Providing a lot of military support into Ukraine.
And we have seen the latest numbers coming
in that overall NATO allies have provided in

(01:19:43):
the first three months over 20 billion dollars
in support to Ukraine to make sure they
can stay in the fight as long as
it continues.
This is money that we get here in
America.
This 20 billion for more bullets.
We will also discuss the other threats over
the next two days.
Of course, Russia, which is our long term
threat.
Long term threat.

(01:20:04):
Peace or no peace.
Long term threat.
War is always on the horizon.
But also the increasing problems we have with
China.
Of course, North Korea, Iran and all of
these four getting more and more connected in
these two theaters, getting more and more connected
and working intertwined.
It's great.
But wait, there's more.
There will be more to spend.

(01:20:24):
We know that the United States is a
staunch ally in NATO.
I had a very good meeting with the
president, with President Trump.
But that commitment comes with an expectation.
And the expectation is that the European allies
and Canada need to spend more.
More.
Can you stop for a second?
Yeah.

(01:20:45):
For Mark and Marco, does this guy, does
Ruta ever stop talking?
Yeah, he does in a minute.
So Rubio is just standing there.
At a certain point, he's looking down at
his shoes.
He's like Mark on the floor here.
He's looking around.
He's getting really bored.
And Ruta is just blah, blah, blah, blah,

(01:21:05):
blah.
But it's but he's he's doing his job.
And Marco knows it from Canada and Europe
has been 700 billion up to now.
But when you look at the hundreds of
billions of euros, less dollars now rolling in,
rolling, rolling in, rolling, the money is rolling
in.
Marco, this is probably the biggest surge in

(01:21:26):
defense spending we have seen in Canada and
Europe since the Cold War, since the Berlin
Wall came down.
So that is good news.
But still, we need to do more good
news.
But still, we need to do more.
And now this is so good.
And so Marco comes in.
This guy's a clown.
Yes.
Well, we knew that.

(01:21:47):
We knew he was a clown.
We've all Dutch people know he's a clown
and the Dutch people can't believe it.
And like this guy is top dog now
in the international stage.
So Mark has done his job.
And now Marco must go for the five
percent.
We have to go up to five percent.
But Marco is a bit flustered.
The United States is in NATO.

(01:22:07):
We are an active as we speak right
now.
The United States is as active in NATO
as it has ever been.
And some of this hysteria and hyperbole that
I see in the global media and some
domestic media in the United States about NATO
is unwarranted.
The United States President Trump's made clear this
is his new name.
President Pump, that's his new name.

(01:22:28):
I'd like that again.
Take media in the United States about NATO
is unwarranted.
The United States President Trump's made clear.
President Pump, I think I said Trump.
No, he did not.
No, I listen to it loud and soft.
Yeah, it's like one of the mishearing I
do is very similar.
OK.
Trolls, are you hearing pump?

(01:22:50):
I'm hearing pump.
The United States about NATO is unwarranted.
The United States President Trump's made clear.
He says pump.
Trust me.
He says pump.
No, he says I could hear the T.
No, everyone's hearing pump.
Well, yeah, because you primed them.
Well, does it matter, then?
That's the president Trump's made clear.
He supports NATO.
We're going to remain in NATO.

(01:23:11):
He's made clear.
But we want NATO to be stronger.
We want NATO to be more viable.
And the only way NATO can get stronger,
more viable is of our partners.
The nation states that comprise this important alliance
have more capability.
More capability.
Collection, not just to partners and allies, but
of advanced economies of rich countries who have
the capability to do more.
We understand that's a trade off.

(01:23:32):
We have to do it every single year
in our country.
Yeah, I assure you that we also have
domestic needs.
We do.
But we've prioritized defense because of the role
we've played in the world.
And we want our partners to do the
same.
And I understand there's domestic politics after decades
of building up vast social safety net that
maybe don't want to take away from that
and invest more in national security.

(01:23:53):
But the events of the last few years
are a full scale ground war in the
heart of Europe is.
Oh, he's using full scale here.
That is full scale invasion.
Full scale ground war.
He's using the terms.
That maybe they don't want to take away
from that.
And invest more in national security.
But the events of the last few years.
A full scale ground war in the heart
of Europe is a reminder that hard power

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still necessary as a deterrent.
And so we do want to leave here
with an understanding that we are on a
pathway, a realistic pathway to every single one
of the members committee and fulfilling a promise
to reach up to five percent of spending
that includes the United States will have to
increase its percentage because the threats truly are
as dire as I believe they are and
the members of this alliance believe they are

(01:24:36):
then that threat has to be confronted by
a full and real commitment to have the
capability to confront these things and then they
wrap it up with the true next theater
which is the Arctic I would not be
surprised if the Arctic would be raised today
by allies and this is an issue and

(01:24:59):
the Arctic of course is not only Denmark
the king of Denmark which of course has
Greenland as part of its kingdom this is
also Iceland it's Canada to the US it
is Norway Finland Sweden so we have seven
allies which are present in the Arctic we
know that the Chinese are opening sea lanes

(01:25:19):
we know that the Russians are rearming there
we know and as I said yesterday it
seems to be a detail but it is
an important detail it's not trivial and that
is the issue of icebreakers so more and
more the seven Arctic countries are working together
to make sure we keep that part of
the world safe and NATO is more and

(01:25:39):
more involved yeah Greenland's really important it's on
they need icebreakers forth global warming is gonna
melt all those with all that ice don't
ruin don't break the spell of course we
don't need that global warming take care of
it all there's no ice let's go back

(01:26:04):
to domestic I got two clips okay this
is the FDA being gutted PR again is
it our buddy no I don't have any
of our buddies clips today I'm sorry he's
on vacation or something have any BBC stuff
and again no I decided to give it

(01:26:26):
a break ah so there's no beef so
you can't play your jingles I have a
whole production never mind okay I guarantee you
next show your BBC's gonna be featured and
Scott I need BBC and Scott I can
find Scott I haven't seen him for a
while hmm the Food and Drug Administration the

(01:26:46):
agency that regulates a lot of the things
Americans eat and the medicines we take is
now part of a huge reorganization the Trump
administration announced Thursday that it will cut 20
,000 jobs from the Department of Health and
Human Services 3,500 of those are from
the FDA NPR consumer health correspondent Yuki Nobuchi

(01:27:06):
joins us now to talk about this good
morning Yuki good morning do you have any
specifics about these jobs well they've given some
general indications that they want to trim in
HR and IT for example but the FDA
didn't respond to my inquiries and so we
really don't know the specifics but Peter Marks
who spearheaded the development of the COVID-19

(01:27:29):
vaccine at the FDA said he was pushed
out last week and Robert Califf who's actually
a two-time FDA Commissioner most recently under
Biden sounded alarms at a press conference with
Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray noting that these
cuts are on top of other big departures
the cut of an additional 3,500 people

(01:27:50):
on top of the arbitrary cuts that have
already occurred I miss his name he may
be someone we need to pay attention to
most recently under Biden sounded alarms at a
press conference with Washington Democratic Senator Patty Murray
noting that these cuts are on top of
other big departures the cut of an additional

(01:28:12):
3,500 people on top of the arbitrary
cuts that have already occurred in addition to
all the people who are leaving is likely
to leave the FDA unable to do its
critical work that is such an old-school
Washington DC cadence kind of a who's who
is some guy that was booted out like

(01:28:34):
Buckley it gets better in the second clip
and either the critical work he refers to
is you know safety reviews for things like
new drugs food safety tobacco vaccines and tobacco
safety drugs food safety tobacco vaccines and devices

(01:29:00):
like you know heart pacemakers you know a
lot of everyday can the way she says
this is so like well you know you're
gonna die because you know none of the
pacemaker and these drugs won't be safe and
MPR yeah hello vaccines and devices like you
know heart pacemakers you know a lot of
everyday consumer items are regulated by the FDA

(01:29:22):
you key what is the White House saying
about how these cuts and read and this
realignment fits with its priorities yeah it's led
by Robert F Kennedy jr.
the new Health and Human Services secretary and
he says the country's health agencies are too
bloated and ineffective at fighting in particular chronic
disease he and others dislike the country's past

(01:29:46):
approach to public health generally and Peter Marx
wrote a bitter resignation letter suggesting Kennedy's cutting
back on vaccine efforts because that work doesn't
align with Kennedy's personal beliefs on the other
hand Kennedy has led this campaign to make
America healthy again and that phrase has now
got its own acronym Maha and has a

(01:30:08):
broad following but Caleb says these cuts are
not consistent with that idea and it's really
striking to me how the rhetoric of for
example better nutrition enhanced food safety innovation and
medical products runs contrary to what's being done
with the workforce a lot of people afraid

(01:30:28):
of heights not me I'm afraid of widths
you know he even quipped that this seems
like a good way to make America not
healthy again brother what a of airtime so
I slipped a Steven Wright in there that
was notice I did I laughed at it
okay I left at it I was listening

(01:30:51):
to this guy it's a reason for the
clip yeah it was highbrow highbrow highbrow I
would listen to the clip because this guy's
voice he was either sound like Steven Steve
Landis Berg who used to be on on
the TV show the thing is no one
knows our boomer humor right so I found

(01:31:13):
the Steven Wright clip that fit right in
yeah but no I mean people didn't even
get my Elmer Fudd we are we are
boomer humor is is failing it's falling flat
people we have enough of us well that
audience which is small I say 10%
of our audience gets some of this material
I'm gonna go for five on those guys

(01:31:35):
should donate more this is true this is
true boomer humor to the rescue oh man
oh man yeah Barney Miller was the show
with Steve Landon's Landis yeah that's he has
the exact same voice that's stretching it though
well on the HHS FDA LMNOP major Garrett

(01:32:00):
she be our CIA broadcasting systems brought on
Deborah Birx who why do they bring these
old hacks on that are notorious they're already
proven to be phonies and they've lied to
the public and admitted it in public that
there are liars and they bring them back

(01:32:20):
or do they have like a one Rolodex
it's just being passed around and it's like
they can't come up with anybody new I'm
not quite sure but she I mean since
she left after kovat she's been the CEO
of a company she's been on the board
of a couple other companies I think in
one of these clips she has to be

(01:32:41):
a spook well she what she was a
ranking officer in the Navy so I don't
know if she was naval intelligence but you
know now she's claiming for the last few
years she's been working in rural Texas right
so yes there is something very odd about

(01:33:02):
her but she's actually not very negative about
RFK jr.
welcome back Health and Human Services Secretary Robert
F Kennedy jr.
is planning to lay off at least two
-thirds of the staff at the National Institute
of Occupational Safety and Health it is the
federal agency within HHS that attempts to prevent
workplace related injuries and illnesses those firings are

(01:33:24):
part of the 10,000 jobs that are
expected to be cut across the agency I
want to bring in former White House coronavirus
response coordinator dr.
Debra Brooks to evaluate all this dr.
Brooks I'm so glad you're with us you
have vast experience in the federal government in
the federal bureaucracy you know you say that
but this is CBS so that can't be
a coincidence how do you read these reductions

(01:33:48):
within HHS some people are expressing tremendous alarm
where do you fall on that spectrum well
you know I was in DOD HHS stayed
on the White House 41 years in federal
service and let me just say my federal
service colleagues I worked with a lot of
dedicated hard-working people but what has happened
over the years that you're not hearing about

(01:34:09):
you're hearing about fraud waste and abuse but
there's something else that has been going on
and that's a lot of duplication among the
HHS agencies and so when COVID hit you
had things that were Asper was doing that
also CDC was doing and it caused a
lot of confusion I think what they're trying
to do in which I hope they are
trying to do is bring back fundamentals stop

(01:34:33):
the duplication get people remission focused and hold
people accountable to improvements in Americans health because
we're spending more we have more personnel about
17% increase in just the last four
years yet the health of America has not
improved and so I think we have to
get back to really understanding what is the

(01:34:53):
job of HHS and that's the Health and
Human Services of the American people and I
hope that's what this gonna come back in
this focus I was surprised when I heard
that I'm like okay so she's kind of
saying it's good Asper by the way is
the administration for strategic preparedness and response which
I can't even remember hearing that that acronym

(01:35:14):
during COVID do you know so here's the
comes on with this very good kind of
semi positive approach right after Musk visited the
CIA no there you go so here's the
follow-up question if these cuts these cuts
are they good as you read the headlines
as you talk to your colleagues still in

(01:35:35):
do you think that the process that is
going on is in moving in that direction
or is kind of pell-mell and sort
of well it's just cut as big a
number as we can think of what pell
-mell is it pell-mell isn't it Paul
mall or no no tell me I said
it means a chaotic boomer phrase well right

(01:35:59):
5% of the listeners know what a
pell-mell I'm thinking Paul mall those the
Paul mall reds man those were hardcore I
haven't heard that I haven't heard the term
pell-mell for decades well decades they know
their audience don't they is moving in that

(01:36:21):
direction or is kind of pell-mell and
sort of well it's just cut as big
a number as we can think of maybe
it's a they're trying to bring back all
these cool cool phrases you know just to
sound intellectual it's a kind of pell-mell
I'm gonna start using it well don't start
you this that sounds dumb this Trump administration

(01:36:42):
is completely pell-mell you know I see
the work at HHS being pretty deliberative the
fact that they put asper back within the
CDC so that CDC who is also working
on disease control is she something is up
with asper she you know why is she
so talking about asper this and no one

(01:37:02):
no one talks about asper but she well
that must be the spook part of the
agency doing the same thing as asper so
that we're ready for the next pandemic because
when you have two agencies thinking they're both
in charge it caused a lot of confusion
around that table of trying to get the
best job of COVID for the American people
and so what I'm hoping comes out of

(01:37:24):
this is a much more horizontal structure where
the NIH I just say being at CDC
there are a hundred and fifty different databases
none of which talk to each other she's
totally talking must stuff here oh the databases
don't talk to each other okay so there's
an injury database there's a flu database Americans

(01:37:45):
are whole people so I think figuring out
how do we get more horizontal data so
we can find where things are going well
and learn from them and the things that
aren't going well in specific counties particularly rural
counties who are well well behind in life
expectancy compared to urban counties are we doing
something to address that and then holding the

(01:38:07):
federal government to outcomes the job of the
federal government is not to analyze data the
job of the federal government is to use
data to find solutions to actually improve outcomes
and impacts that's not a second how does
that even make any sense you don't analyze
it you use it it's the same thing
you use it without analyzing it don't analyze

(01:38:29):
it just use it asper is the secretary's
principal advisor on matters related to bioterrorism and
other public health emergencies they are responsible for
coordinating interagency activities between the other ones who
made the Lyme's disease other federal departments for
Dietrich there you go that look Manhattan Long

(01:38:53):
Island in July 2019 the blue ribbon study
panel on biodefense announced a new idea to
improve u.s. national security against bioterrorism a
quote Manhattan project for biodefense what could I
call the mRNA vaccine what could possibly go
wrong Wow and we've net we did not

(01:39:15):
hear of this I at least I can't
remember well she's brought it to the fore
for a reason yeah so we now we've
heard of it so now it's it's in
play you know now it's in play it's
in play for some reason she and this
was the point of her being on CBS
Evening News let's see what she says in
this last clip about the head of the
FDA dr.

(01:39:35):
Brooks I want to ask you about something
that going on at FDA because Peter Marks
who as you know was the FDA's head
of biologics resigned and in his resignation letter
he said biologics is vaccines Robert F Kennedy
jr.
who leads the Department of Health and Human
Services is subservient he seeks subservient confirmation of

(01:39:55):
his misinformation and lies that's a direct quote
related to vaccines and their effectiveness and the
Wall Street Journal recently editorialized that mr.
Kennedy rightly criticized the Biden administration's kovat response
for ignoring science but he won't restore public
confidence if he feeds skepticism about vaccines that
have saved countless lives the Wall Street Journal

(01:40:17):
editorial board writes our worst fears about mr.
Kennedy are coming true do you share any
of those anxieties well what I've seen on
the ground because I've been working the last
four years in rural Texas what really him
coming out and saying I believe in the
MMR vaccine it is effective I want people
to get it he supported CDC to go

(01:40:39):
in there and support increased access to vaccination
federal dollars went to increasing vaccination in that
area so you know you have to look
at people's actions and really try to understand
what is being said and what is being
actually done on the ground and I think
what is being done on the ground in
West Texas is consistent with improving vaccination rates

(01:41:02):
oh boy there's a lot to unpack in
that commentary mm-hmm one the Wall Street
Journal is anti Kennedy why is that and
that's a Rupert Murdoch operation or Murdoch operation
the second thing is she's in rural Texas
and then coincidentally of a measles outbreak as

(01:41:25):
it were yeah breaks out where she you
know she's in the in the vicinity I
from the sounds of it she's definitely in
rural Texas and she's aware of this this
situation in the few people with the measles
there and the one phony one that supposedly
died from measles mm-hmm now this is
very suspect the see these she's defending Kennedy

(01:41:50):
yes so Kennedy's obviously gonna do nothing so
Don oka Don O'Connell is the I
guess she's she was the assistant secretary for
Asper no it looks like she's the German
operation called Asperger let's see Office of Public

(01:42:14):
she looks like a real spook by the
way is Don O'Connell hmm well there's
definitely something up here see Asper dot HHS
yeah it was given it was rolled out
for a reason program to let us know
yes what's going on give us a backgrounder

(01:42:36):
and I didn't know what we're supposed to
would put this what we can do with
it let's see who the boss is John
Knox wait he's the principal deputies where's the
I guess they don't have don't they have
a they only have a deputy no I
guess so John Knox where's he from Los

(01:43:01):
Angeles County Sheriff's Department hmm I don't know
but something's in play there with Asper I
I agree with you and and Burks all
of a sudden I've been in rural Texas
all these years no four years it makes
no sense I'm so confused it makes no
sense you're right I'm very confused aspect to

(01:43:22):
this I'm very confused about her I'm not
sure what she's doing it doesn't feel right
yeah it doesn't feel right doing something yeah
well let's see where this we have a
interesting donation segment why did you see the

(01:43:43):
length of some of those notes oh yeah
especially the guy who insists on on the
note well there's at least five of them
that are that need to be truncated and
we just needs to be truncated well there's
one guy he insisted the note be read
but the one that's five pages long no
it's not that long how about musk and

(01:44:05):
doge goes to the CIA okay let's do
that and then then we can deal with
the notes as good billionaire Elon Musk has
shared his doge team's cost-cutting plans with
officials at the CIA the agency has already
taken steps to fire employees who worked on
diversity issues a federal judge has ordered the
CIA to reconsider those job cuts citing constitutional

(01:44:27):
statutory and regulatory concerns well how does that
fit in I don't know and I don't
know what the judge has got to do
with CIA hiring practices but okay these judges
are something's got to have happened with these
judges well it isn't President Trump firing the
judges no no here's a fire these judges

(01:44:50):
these are judges that are not fireable oh
and he has to either impeach him which
no one's gonna it's not gonna happen because
you can't get the votes in the Senate
no or you're gonna or the Supreme Court's
gonna have to tell him hey you can't
be doing what you're doing because this is
not you know your district guys no good
to be doing national stuff oh and the
Supreme Court's still on the draw on this

(01:45:11):
why weren't they already involved I don't know
I don't know no one seems to be
paying attention any of that the news is
not is not the news oh I discovered
something the news is not the news I
thought this was rather interesting though for those

(01:45:32):
who are so concerned about Elon Musk the
Nazi and Donald Trump the Nazi and the
Republicans the Nazi and the Texans the Nazis
we're all Nazis how about some actual Nazi
info Argentina's president Javier Millet says that he
is declassifying government documents on how a Nazi
war criminals escaped Europe and resettled in South

(01:45:53):
America following World War two it's thought as
many as 5,000 Nazis evaded arrest in
Argentina the most prominent was Adolf Eichmann seen
here during his trial in Israel in 1961
Eichmann was one of the architects of the
Holocaust Israeli agents captured him and took him
to Jerusalem where he was tried and sentenced

(01:46:14):
to death well I'm joined now by the
man known as the last Nazi hunter dr.
Efrem Zuroff has played a key role in
helping to bring Nazi and fascist war criminals
to trial dr.
Zuroff is good to have you back on
the program what are you expecting to find
in these files that are being made public

(01:46:34):
in Argentina I assume that we'll be able
to get many many details regarding the identity
of the Nazis who fled to Argentina and
the identities of I'm gonna tell you this

(01:46:55):
could be bigger than the Epstein files when
we really find out who the Nazis were
that were escapes and who helped them it's
gonna open up an interesting can of worms
yeah especially the Hitlers on the list speaking
of Israel the Prime Minister is breaking the
law in a defiant gesture towards the International

(01:47:16):
Criminal Court Benjamin Netanyahu is visiting Hungary it
will be his first trip to the European
Union since an arrest warrant was issued against
him the Israeli Prime Minister is wanted for
alleged war crimes and crimes against humanity in
the Gaza Strip Prime Minister Viktor Orban extended
the invitation in November last year quickly flouting

(01:47:36):
the ICC ruling we have no choice but
to defy this decision and I will invite
the Israeli Prime Minister Mr. Netanyahu to visit
Hungary where I will assure him that the
International Criminal Court's ruling will have no effect
in Hungary and we will not follow its
terms.
As a signatory of the ICC Hungary is

(01:47:58):
formally obliged to take Netanyahu into custody but
for the next four days Orban is expected
to welcome him into Budapest with open arms
and it is not the only time they
have put their friendship first.
In 2017 when Orban was accused of anti
-semitism towards the American Jewish billionaire George Soros
the Israeli PM came to his rescue in

(01:48:21):
July last year Budapest vetoed an EU statement
that condemned the Knesset's rejection of a Palestinian
state and the Hungarian leader has unconditionally supported
Israel's offensive in Gaza which has claimed more
than 50,000 lives according to Gaza Authority.
So what is he doing in Hungary?
That's what I'd like to know.

(01:48:42):
What is he doing there?
There's gotta be some something going on behind
the scenes that we don't know about it's
gonna happen there and why there?
Well maybe he wants to ship some some
Palestinians over there.
Israel is slowly tightening its grip on the
Gaza Strip.
Defense Minister Israel Katz said the army's operation
was expanding to seize large areas that would

(01:49:02):
be incorporated into what he called Israeli security
zones without saying how much territory would be
seized.
But he also said that Palestinians would have
to be evacuated.
Katz also called on the enclave's residents to
expel Hamas and return hostages roughly a week
after this rare footage showed Palestinians protesting against

(01:49:24):
the militant group but representatives of the families
of hostages accused the Israeli government of sacrificing
the hostages for the sake of territorial gains.
Katz's announcement comes a week after he warned
that the Israeli military would operate with full
force in the territory.
The ceasefire which came to an end on
March 18th is now a distant memory for
Palestinians living in Gaza.

(01:49:45):
At daybreak Gaza health officials said at least
15 people including children were killed in airstrikes
on homes in Khan Younis and the Nusayrat
refugee camp.
The UN has also warned that stockpiles of
flour are running out in Gaza after Israel
closed crossings to humanitarian aid.
The UN has urged Israel to reopen its
crossings to humanitarian aid to avert a food

(01:50:07):
crisis.
What is this?
So maybe he's checking out a new place
in Hungary where he's going to flee to?
What is going on?
People hate, people hate Israel.
Well they're definitely not doing, I don't know

(01:50:27):
what the issue is there but that reminds
me of another European story that we're gonna
mention.
You're gonna move it right along.
Unless you want to keep talking about Israel.
Well I was just, I was thinking of
some witty banter.
Like what is going on?
I can't think of anything witty.
I'm not witty today but let's go with
the real strange story is the arrest of

(01:50:51):
Marine Le Pen.
Oh man, even her, even other party leaders
are saying this was bullcrap.
Yeah I got the clip here it's Eva,
E-V-A.
Okay so the lawfare being used against right
-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to
a whole new level.
This is your buddy, this is your buddy

(01:51:12):
Eva, whose last name I can never pronounce,
a Dutch girl.
Oh, Fluttegebrake.
Flutte, Flutte, Flutte, whatever her name is.
She's very pretty and she's very erudite.
She kind of dropped off the radar.
She got married.
Yeah I noticed that but she's back with
a vengeance with this Marine Le Pen story.

(01:51:35):
If I could give her a little bit
of advice I'd say cut your hair a
little bit shorter.
It detracts from her obvious deep knowledge of
affairs.
Okay so the lawfare...
Well she could put a ponytail up and
that would be fine.
Yes, I'm just thinking from a television standpoint
you know this just it's like...
Yeah she is distractingly pretty and the hair

(01:51:57):
doesn't help.
Exactly.
Okay so the lawfare being used against right
-wing politicians in Europe is being taken to
a whole new level.
Marine Le Pen, the leader of Rassemblau Nationale,
the populist right-wing party in France, has
just been sentenced to four years in jail
of which two suspended and has been barred
from partaking in French politics for the next

(01:52:17):
five years.
That means that she's been barred from running
against Macron for the position of the president
of France.
She's been convicted for allegedly embezzling European funds,
misusing European funds for her national fraction of
the party instead of the European fraction of
the party.
Which I dare to bet money on the

(01:52:38):
fact that if any judicial system in any
European country would launch an investigation into left
-wing parties to see if they were doing
that that let's say 80% of them
would be found guilty of the same thing
because I used to work in a European
Parliament and trust me this is something that
I think happens a lot more than they

(01:52:59):
want you to believe.
And of course we will never know that
because they don't launch investigations into left-wing
parties because the whole aim of this is
to crush the right-wing in Europe because
we're growing too fast and so the system,
the cabal, needs to come down on us
to another way.
And what do they do?
Lawfare.

(01:53:19):
They're banning us, they're banning our parties, they're
banning politicians from running.
They're convicting us of hate speech and hate
crimes.
That's how they do it, that's a new
strategy.
And you know like think about it for
a second, embezzlement of European funds, Ursula von
der Leyen, the president of the European Commission,
is under investigation for corruption because she closed

(01:53:40):
a 50, no 35 billion euro deal with
the CEO of Pfizer via text message and
we still don't have those text messages but
she is the president of the European Commission
and Marine Le Pen is not allowed to
run as a president of France.
If that is not two-tier politics I
don't know what is.
Well who's this we she's talking about?
Is she a political member of a party?

(01:54:05):
She's far right.
Well speaking of that here's a this is
I think this is a France 24, they
give a little more detail on this story.
Arriving at the National Rally headquarters, Jordan Bardella
was tight-lipped but Marine Le Pen's protégé
took to X to post that French democracy
was executed on Monday with the unjust verdict.

(01:54:27):
As president of the party, Bardella now looks
set to become its de facto candidate for
the 2027 election after a court barred Le
Pen from running for office for five years
with immediate effect for embezzlement.
The National Rally and right-wing allies have
accused the court of overreach against a candidate
whom polls show is among the frontrunners.

(01:54:48):
The court is stating its political will, not
its judicial or legal will, but its political
will.
It's the first time in 40 or 50
years that I've seen this written down in
black and white and that's what's absolutely unbelievable.
But political rivals such as communist Fabien Roussel
posted that justice was justice and must be

(01:55:10):
the same for everyone, reminding that Le Pen
herself regularly called for a firmer justice system.
Jean-Luc Mélenchon and his far-left France
Unbowed Party though seemed less comfortable with the
verdict, emphasizing that they would rather fight the
National Rally at the ballot box than in
court.
Outside of France, Le Pen's far-right allies
rallied around her, including Hungary's Viktor Orban who

(01:55:32):
declared I am Marine in support, and the
Netherlands Geert Verders who said he still believed
in her becoming president.
The Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov meanwhile accused more
and more European capitals of violating democratic norms.
Le Pen has a long history of political
and financial support from Moscow.

(01:55:52):
Of course, of course you have to throw
that in there.
She's been financed by Putin.
You know, ever since the earthquake in Myanmar,
formerly known as Burma, from Burma to Bangkok,
which would have been a much better headline,
the white Christian nationalist eschatological podcasts have gotten

(01:56:15):
all heated up.
And there is a a growing concern, or
a growing suspicion I should say, that the
Antichrist might be Emmanuel Macron.
Married to a dude.
Well, it doesn't help his case.

(01:56:35):
Let's put it that way.
Married to a dude.
The Antichrist is Macron.
I like it.
That's hilarious bullcrap.
By the way, and somebody did point out,
one of our producers pointed out, there is
a giant fault that runs right through Burma.
There is, yes, I saw that.
He sent us a fault map, a link
to a fault maps, and yeah, those are

(01:56:58):
all the big faults.
He doesn't even, and that's just the giant
faults.
The little faults are all over the place,
and that wasn't on that map.
Let's face it, the biggest fault is us,
brother.
We're the fault.
We are the fault.
Hey, with that, I want to thank you
for your currency in the morning.
To you, the man who put the C
in Amcan.
Say hello to my friend on the other

(01:57:18):
end, the one and only Mr. John C.
DeMora.
Seamless and raffling the air, so there's no
more names and heights out there.
Hello trolls, let me count you.
Here we go, here we go, here we
go.
We're about on track.
1949 is our troll count for today.

(01:57:41):
Okay, so that's pretty good, it's about the
average, just a tad above the average.
And these trolls are listening at trollroom.io,
the modern podcast apps at podcastapps.com.
Speaking of which, our conversation about the Podfather
Awards has got legs.
People are doing AI, Scaramanga's doing AI videos

(01:58:05):
of us hosting the Podfather Awards.
We've gotten a lot of, not the greatest
suggestion, but people are coming in with suggestions.
I've had people already saying, I want tickets,
take my money.
There's something here, John.
I'm on it.

(01:58:26):
All right.
It was a great idea, everybody.
When you hear those words, you know nothing's
going to happen.
Exit strategy is far away.
That's not true.
I've been wanting to do these for 10
years, so I'm right on track.
The timing is good.
The timing is perfect.
You're about, yes, ever since you were 63,
it's unbelievable, I can't believe we're just about

(01:58:47):
- Yeah, I do have a birthday coming
up, and there's also a big meetup in
Albany, not Albany, but Oakland at the pizza
place for my birthday.
Oh, that's nice.
Invite everybody there.
Oh, that's cool.
It should be on the list for today's
meetup.
I think it is.
I think it is.
Of course, we- Violetas.
Violetas.
We run no agenda, value for value.

(01:59:10):
No tariffs.
We give you the value.
We give it.
We just send it out to you.
You can do whatever you want with it.
You can copy the value.
You can throw it around.
You can make it your own and pretend
that you made up all these great things
and this great information that we gave you.
You can be really smart at the water
cooler at work or in the health club,
wherever you hang out with people.

(01:59:30):
When you send value back to us, we
do not charge you any tariffs.
Not at all.
We just do one for one, value for
value, time, talent, or treasure.
And we- You okay?
Sound like you fell over.
No, I just rolled my chair over what
appeared to be kind of a lump in
the rug.
Oh.

(01:59:50):
And I made a thunking sound, which then
transferred onto the- Is Theo looking for
his hamster?
Wow, that took a little too long.
Immediately come to mind.
We love what our artists do.
The artists, I have to say, are getting
better.
I see the artists also using AI more

(02:00:12):
as a tool now instead of just throwing
stuff in there and hoping something great comes
out, which usually doesn't.
We have more and more artists who are
understanding how to use it, which appears to
still be the only thing AI is really
good at is generating stuff, generating images, generating
video, generating spam messages.

(02:00:33):
I was talking to my buddy, Dave Jones,
and he works in a 100 firm CPA
firm, and he does the administration.
He says, this is the worst year ever
with phishing attacks from spam, and AI is
really generating a lot of this.
And it's at scale.

(02:00:53):
Oh, that's interesting.
That makes sense.
Email is the worst.
I was like, yeah, that's interesting.
So AI can help make email worse, but
can't seem to fix it, or at least
no one has tried that.
Well, that would be a nice product.
That's a product I would be interested in.
So we want to thank our artists for
episode 1751.

(02:01:14):
We titled that Talking Toilet.
And we like this one.
We had some ideas for improvement, but it
was the piece by GoFox, and it was
the...
What do you call them?
The babushka dolls?
What do you call them?
Yeah, babushka.
The nesting dolls is technically what they are.
So you had a Twitter doll.
Nesting Russian dolls.

(02:01:35):
Nesting Russian dolls, yes.
Do you have any?
I have a whole collection of them, personally.
I remember having them when I was a
kid.
I know we had them.
I bet my sister still has them.
I bought them in Russia.
When I was in Russia, I bought them.
And how many were there?
Because I think we had five that fit
in, and that...
I have a niner.
Wow.
A niner.
That's huge.
A niner.

(02:01:56):
That's what she said.
Dvorak's got a niner.
It's huge.
It's beautiful.
It was a good piece.
It was the Twitter to X to Grok.
Cute little faces.
We thought it would have been even better
if there was a little Elon that could
fit inside the Grok, if I recall our
conversation.
Yes, there's always...
In all these nesting dolls, there's always one

(02:02:16):
little solid piece.
It's a little dinky thing.
That's the last one.
That always gets lost.
You give one of these things to a
kid, somehow that little one is gone.
Or the Dvorak.
The dog's chewing on it.
I mean, it's something.
The little one.
And the little one, a little Biddy Musk
would have been perfect, and also the balance
of the piece, it could have been shifted
to the left, I think.

(02:02:37):
To the left a little bit.
Yeah, just a tad.
Even I agree.
It's not quite composed perfectly.
And the Kareem Dvorak color of the letters
was not great.
Even...
Could have been more contrasty.
Could have been more contrasty.
Or have an outline.
Black outline helps.
But that's just...
I mean, we're just giving you a little
minor points.
It was good.
There were other things we looked at.
You liked the Take Our Money, the Canadian,

(02:03:00):
the Mad Canadian with cash in his hand.
Yeah, I did like the Mad Canadian holding
a bunch of cash.
You used the Angry Baby stomping around.
I liked the Angry Baby too, yeah.
You like Angry Babies.
You liked the Angry Baby.
That was Capitalist Agenda.
And Triple J did a deal-no-deal

(02:03:21):
with the Taliban, but we didn't think anyone
would really get that one.
No one's going to get it.
No one's going to get that.
Triple J also did Alphabet Soup, aha, kind
of done.
I think that was it, really, the things
that we thought were good enough.

(02:03:43):
These are all beautiful.
We appreciate it.
And I think every single one of them
gets used in the chapters on the Modern
Podcast App.
Give it a try.
PodcastApps.com.
Try out PodVerse.
Try out Podcast Guru.
Try out Fountain.
I don't think you'll be disappointed.
They're really good.
And they use the Podcast Index, which I
might point out, according to a recent survey,

(02:04:03):
is the number one index for all podcasts
above Spotify, above Apple, above YouTube.
Number one.
Foam finger number one.
You know why?
Because we don't take stuff out.
It's uncancellable when you're on the Podcast Index.
This is where you say, hey, that's great,
congratulations.

(02:04:24):
That's fabulous.
So sincere.
Let's thank our supporters, who we like to
call our...
Do you have a No Agenda plug on
that page?
Because that's a lot of people looking at
it.
I don't.
I don't.
No.
No, I don't.
Wouldn't hurt.

(02:04:45):
I guess.
I'm sure it wouldn't hurt.
I want to thank the people who sent
us treasure, value in the form of treasure.
We thank every single person who sends us
money, $50 or above.
And in this case, in this particular segment,
we thank people who have sent us $200

(02:05:05):
or more.
And that makes you not only an associate
executive producer, which is a credit, is real
Hollywood credit, can use it anywhere credits are
accepted, including imdb.com.
We will also read your note, or most
of it, depending on how long it is.
If you come in with $300 or above,
well, bam, you're an executive producer and we
will read your note.
And it's always interesting to see that the

(02:05:26):
higher the amount, the shorter the note.
It's some kind of weird voodoo.
It always works that way.
The lower the number, the longer the note.
What do you think that is?
Oh, I see what you're talking about.
Yeah, I know.
Now you see it.
So we'll have to truncate some of it.
We're going to start off with Brent Walker

(02:05:47):
in Springfield, Oregon, who comes in.
Oh, there she is.
For something I didn't, I didn't see.
He asks for a de-douching right off
the bat.
You've been de-douched.
And then he says, I'd like a fractal
jingle.
Fractal jingle.
Man, that's, I have the fractal jingle here.

(02:06:10):
Then he also asked for an Obama, you
may, you might die.
Where's my Obama, you might die.
And I'd like to, oh, he's going in
for a Commodore ship.
He'd like to be known as Commodore Dubs.
And he says, thank you for your courage.
It's a fractal jingle.
You might die.
Have not heard the fractal jingle in many

(02:06:31):
years.
Yeah, I agree.
That's a long time.
Thanks Brent.
Good one.
JLGS LLC in Rockport, Texas.
Sorry for being a douche for the longest
time.
Please let me know, let me know Adam,
let me know Adam, what the name of
the dentist you went to to get that

(02:06:52):
surgery done on your teeth.
My dad has the same problems for years
and here in Texas and has been, and
has been to count.
I'm sorry.
He's been to countless doctors with no cure.
Also to all the aviators that work on
them, on the teeth and drive them or

(02:07:12):
own them.
I don't think it's the teeth.
Look us up.
We are in aircraft parts and tooling sales
company down in Rockport, Texas near Corpus Christi
plus parts, or I should know, Pius parts,
P-I-U-S.
It's the name of my company.
We have some Cirrus stuff.

(02:07:32):
Cirrus?
What is that?
That's the kind of airplane I fly.
It's the plastic airplane with the parachute, Cirrus.
Oh those things.
Okay.
Mostly King Air, a Citation Lear and Challenger
stuff.
Nice.
The Salty Air is really good for these
parts down here.
So hurry up.
They're not.

(02:07:53):
He's being cynical.
He's being very cynical.
Yeah.
Salty Air is bad.
Mitch Ponsford is my periodontist name.
P-O-N-S-F-O-R-D.
He's in Burney, Texas.
Mitch Ponsford.
Tell him Adam sent you for 10%
off your first extraction.
And thank you, J-L-G-S.
Then we have Cervantes in Topsham, Maine, 3

(02:08:17):
-8-0-0-8.
Nice.
Nice.
I see you there with your boob.
Quick correction for John.
The correct phrase in retail is the customer
is always right in matters of taste.
Yeah.
I sent him.
This is bull crap, okay?
Wow.
All you have to do is go to

(02:08:37):
the wiki page and they document the whole
thing.
It goes way back.
So wiki is true.
Somebody some years ago put this in matters
of taste in at the last minute and
it got around.
Somebody got around virally as bull crap.
Really?
Because people are sending me, I've gotten a

(02:08:58):
lot of, is that?
Go to the wiki page on the customer
is always right.
It has a history.
Okay.
I mean, so we can't say wiki is
any truth.
Is that what you're saying?
The wiki page documents this and then refers
to Snopes who also documents this as bullshit.
I don't know how many times I have
to say it.
Hmm.

(02:09:19):
Let me ask Grok.
Grok will probably get it right.
Let me see.
The customer is always right is actually a
shortened version of a longer sentiment.
The full idea behind it was more nuanced.
It was popularized in the early 20th century
by retailers like Harry Gordon Selfridge from Selfridges,
John Wanamaker, and Marshall Field who used phrases

(02:09:41):
like the customer is always right in matters
of taste.
No.
I'm just telling.
Okay.
Well, that's.
Oh, that's slop.
Hey, now you're talking my language.
It's slop.
He goes on to say anyone who's worked
with the public will understand that the customer
can't always be right in all things because
the customer are pricks.

(02:10:04):
Anyways, this is now my fourth annual birthday
donation.
Happy birthday, John.
Please add me.
Cervantes, my daughter, Ayla, who's turning 18, both
on the fifth and niece, Leona, who's turning
seven on the fourth on the birthday list
for this episode.
They're on there.
COVID woke me up, and your relentless deconstruction
has been more a constant caffeine drip that

(02:10:25):
keeps waking me up more and more and
more and more just without the jitters.
Now I need something that's the midpoint between
Nazi propaganda and Zionist propaganda, since you guys
are just a couple of Zionist boomer shills.
Yeah.
Love you guys.
Cervantes, may you never find an exit strategy,
Cervantes from Topsom, Maine, and he wants a
Rogan donation.

(02:10:45):
Trump, I'm going to come and do the
climate change.
Rogan donation.
I'm going to come.
Due to climate change.
All right.
There you go.
Tracy Sullivan in Fowler, Indiana, Fowler, comes in
with 350 bucks, and she has a note,
which I can click to.
I have it open, I believe, right here.

(02:11:09):
Dear John and Adam, it's been a while
since our last...
She has very pretty printing in a card,
it's almost like comic, it's a comic style.
It's been a while since...
It is cute, yes.
Don't you think?
Yeah.
It's been a while since our last donation.
We finally got out of Illinois and moved
to a much better place, arrow pointing to

(02:11:30):
Indiana with a little heart.
We plan on checking out the indie meetups
as soon as we can.
Well, there's plenty of them, and they're packed
to the gills.
This donation also gets me to Dame Hood,
please dub me Dame Sally Bananas.
Yay, Sally Bananas.

(02:11:51):
Sally Bananas.
I hope the happy puppy on the card
gives you good donation karma, little smiley face.
Thank you, and God bless Dame Sally Bananas,
Tracy Sullivan, $350.
Thank you, Tracy, and we'll see you on
the podium later.
Sir Amzie is a new Rockford, North Dakota,
333.33, and he says, oh, please credit

(02:12:16):
this donation to my dad, Preston Meyer.
Am I doing that right here?
Yes, Preston Meyer.
Where's that?
It's at the very top of the note.
It's probably not visible on here.
Oh, yeah, I can't see because the note's
so damn big that it's blocked.
There it is.
You probably can't see that on your cell.
On February 22nd, I saw exactly 333 emails

(02:12:38):
in my box.
Lo and behold, the 333th email was a
newsletter from No Agenda, which usually end up
in my spam folder.
I knew I had to donate.
This is true.
On 1750, Adam said that he isn't part
of a religion and that organized religion is,
quote, a problem.
I was raised going to various Protestant churches.

(02:12:59):
My mom is a pastor.
In 2018, I was confirmed a Lutheran.
I have a good amount of experience with
Protestantism.
In my experience, there was always something missing
with Protestantism, even when reading a verse or
passage.
It seemed like Protestants would intentionally miss the
main message of a passage to fit their
beliefs, depending on the denomination of how liberal
-slash-conservative they were.

(02:13:20):
There are multiple examples of Protestants not taking
the words of Jesus literally or explaining them
away to me.
Nothing.
I'm not sure what you're saying here yet,
but let's read on.
Two years ago, I met my now-wife,
who led me to the Catholic Church.
I was confirmed in December.
I found my way to Catholicism through the
2,000-year history of the Church.
The evidence of miracles and insights into my
own life preached continues to strengthen my faith,

(02:13:42):
along with knowing that Jorge Mario Bergoglio, Francis,
is not the Pope.
He's an imposter and a liar.
So is he agreeing with me here?
I'm not sure.
Well, Void Zero is definitely on that bandwagon.
Adam and John, Christians of no agenda, I
implore you to look deep into the history
of the Church.
Mass of the Ages is a good docuseries

(02:14:03):
for understanding the reasons that people leave the
Catholic Church.
I also recommend Michael Knowles.
There are countless conversion stories on YouTube to
listen to.
Look up Ann Barnhart's YouTube channel, and the
Barnhart podcast to understand why Jorge Bergoglio is
the anti-Pope.
God bless you both.
Thank you for your courage.
I'm praying for you.

(02:14:24):
Well, thank you, Preston.
I'm not quite sure where you went with
the note, but...
I think I brought up anti-Pope once
on this show, and it got nothing but
grief.
Hey, listen, this is a donation note.
It's not you or me, brother.
We're just saying it.
Sir Richard in Burbank, California comes in with
the same amount, 33333.
And he writes a short note.
He's in Hiroshima, actually, Japan.

(02:14:45):
He's not in Burbank, but that's where he's
from.
Is it Hiroshima or Hiroshima?
I think both ways.
I've heard it's pronounced Hiroshima and Hiroshima.
And the Japanese probably...
I was shocked, shocked, he says, to discover
that I had not donated to Noah Jenner
for almost two years.

(02:15:07):
Thank you for creating this outstanding product, Sir
Richard of Burbank, north of the five.
So he just came in with the 33333,
and a short note.
We appreciate that.
Marty is in Olten in, looks like, Sweden?
I mean, Switzerland?
CH?
Switzerland?
Yeah, Switzerland.

(02:15:27):
Switzerland.
And Marty said...
Marty.
I'm sorry.
It should be Marty.
Let's drop...
Hey, let's drop 333.33 from Marty in
Olten, a beautiful town in the midst of
the north of Switzerland.
I appreciate the groundwork being laid in the
psychological warfare arsenal from the, in this moment,
insecurity management to hypophora and emotive conjugation.

(02:15:50):
Please, let's extend this list.
Bertrand Russell was quite the guy.
John, direct questions about Minecraft to me.
Adam has my email address.
I annoyed him in recent months with telling
him that I've heard John's Bohemian Grove story
multiple times on the show.
Why?
I don't understand.

(02:16:12):
Why do people email me about stuff that
you do?
Because that's exactly the way the world is
supposed to be.
Adam at curry.com for all complaints.
No, no.
And he wants this...
He's celebrating his 40th birthday.

(02:16:35):
I know, but I'm looking at it.
I'm looking for the chant, the donate to
no agenda.
How does that go again?
It's called donate, I think.
Do you know how many, do you know
how many there are of donate?
It was donate.
It was like a chant, wasn't it?
Yeah.
Donate to no agenda.

(02:16:55):
Yeah.
How does it end?
I don't remember.
All I remember is it's hypnotic.
It's very hypnotic, but I...
Oh, no.
He's singing a donate, donate.
He's singing to that one.
No, there is a different one.
It's a different one.
Anyway.
Celebrating 40 revolutions around the sun on 4

(02:17:17):
-8 Gregorian donation chant for jingles.
Maybe it's on the Gregorian chants.
I guarantee that's not what it's called.
No.
Donate.
Well, you're just going to get a different
donate.
I can't help you.
I'll give you the donate, John.
Sorry.
You've got...

(02:17:40):
Donate.
Donate.
Yeah, that's Gregorian.
No, that's not the one.
Donate to no agenda.
If I knew the rest of the...
Yeah, you can sing it yourself, but you
can't.
So, Chap Williams is up.
He's in Edmond, Oklahoma.
And this is the best one.
This came in as a check, 333.33.

(02:18:01):
There's no note, no nothing.
So, he gets to double up karma.
You've got...
Karma.
Are you mad?
Are you mad today?
I'm angry.
Are you really?
You seem a little bit on edge.
No.
It's just the EQ.

(02:18:21):
Calipigious Colin.
He's in Willow Spring, North Carolina, 331.25.
And this donation is in honor of the
birth of their newest human resource.
Our sweet baby girl, Chloe Susanna.
Born on 331.25. Hence the donation.
Please add her to the birthday list and
to all the other slaves of my nation
who are of childbearing age.

(02:18:42):
We made another baby.
Now the ball is in your half court.
See, there's someone who listens and knows how
it works.
Yeah, that's for sure.
No jingles, no karma.
Thanks for what you do, says Calipigious Colin
in Dub Spring, North Carolina.
Thank you.
Is that a guy?
Calipigious Colin?
I would think so.

(02:19:02):
I don't know why you would use that
phrase as a descriptor.
Sir Tim in Louisville, Texas, 28743.
273 donation plus fees for the old man's
birthday.
Listen to these boomers and check your recurring
donations.
This is his note to the public out

(02:19:23):
there.
In other words, listen to the boomers.
That would include me and it would include
Adam.
He says, mine were cut off, by the
way.
His recurring donation was cut off months ago
and the guilt is eating me alive.
Sir Tim of the Tarrant Swamplands.
Wow.

(02:19:44):
Where's Tarrant?
I don't know.
In Texas?
I guess.
I have no idea.
Now here's the note you're talking about.
So it is from Kieran Zverner in Brevard,
North Carolina.
RoaDux222.22. Starts off by saying, I can

(02:20:05):
hear you groaning about the length of this
note already, but a huge part of what
makes this show so important is the feedback
loop between you and the producers.
It makes us all better.
I hope you consider this a contribution of
time, talent, and treasure.
No, it's theft of time.
No, it's just a robbery.
It's a robbery.
I've been sitting on this note since this
donation and note since February, waiting to close

(02:20:27):
on House and then just being a tightwad
douchebag.
So some of this refers to old but
still highly relevant news.
And then he's talking about the laugh tale.
He's talking about Michio Kaku.
Then he has something to say about our
analysis on climate change clips, biodiversity.

(02:20:48):
Brother, there's no way we can read this.
There's just no way.
This is a 10-pager.
It really is super, super helpful.
He even goes on to GLP1.
Okay, that's it.
After all, I should add that I love
the show.
Since I think producer age is of interest
to you, I'll also mention that we're both
28.
I started listening in December of 2021 and
promptly hit my wife in the mouth.
We came for Adam.

(02:21:09):
We stayed for John.
It makes me feel special.
My parents are a bit tougher than her,
but I'm trying.
Anyway, we rarely missed a show since, even
while living off the grid in the cloud
forest in Ecuador for six months in 2023.
We climbed mountains to get service and download
the latest show.
Okay, that is very cool.

(02:21:30):
Keep up the good work.
What does he do?
When they were living in Ecuador, they climbed
up a mountain to get service to download
the episode.
Oh, wow.
That's dedication right there.
Yeah, I like it.
So thank you very much.
We appreciate it.
That should have been at the top.
That's the lead, we call it.
And Kiernan asked for They're Eating the Dogs,

(02:21:51):
followed by Don't Be So Flippant, Man.
Now, this is interesting.
I went looking for Don't Be So Flippant.
Do you know that that never was a
jingle?
Don't Be So Flippant?
I never heard it as a jingle.
No, but I clipped it just for him
because the long note and I knew we
weren't going to read it.
Annie says, P.S. It was great to
hear Mimi on the old-fashioned On Purpose

(02:22:12):
podcast.
She's so cool.
Did Mimi do the podcast?
Yeah, she does a lot of podcasts that
promote the Too Many Eggs book, which is
also available for free at TooManyEggs.com.
They're Eating the Dogs.
Don't Be So Flippant, Man.
I'm glad I got that one.
I got to play that one one more
time.

(02:22:33):
Anonymous.
Hold on.
Don't Be So Flippant, Man.
Got to goot karma.
Goot karma.
You've got karma.
Anonymous comes in.
I'm lucky here.
220-222, that came in as a check.
So, there's no jingles, no karma involved and
no note.
So, give them a double up.
Double up karma coming your way, Anonymous.

(02:22:54):
You've got karma.
And there's Sean Holman from Noblesville, Indiana to
1911.
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210-60.
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(02:23:37):
little bit of my paltry VA disability pay
to round things out.
I'm making this donation as a way to
say thank you for your content from 2012
to roughly 2019.
I wrote and self-published on Amazon, Apple,
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(02:23:59):
Wow.
15 novels.
Wow.
That's a little more productive than me.
And a number of shorter works, primarily in
the men's adventure supernatural thriller genre.
Oh.
I took a break from writing in 2020
after a series of unfortunate incidents, including a
car wreck, falling down some stairs, treatment and
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(02:24:23):
cetera.
FOVID.
I'm sorry.
Mispronounced.
FOVID.
F-A-U-X-VID.
FOVID.
Instead of COVID.
Get it?
I've considered returning to the writing craft several
times, but work and my deteriorating health always
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Somehow, without any advertising or promotion, my books

(02:24:44):
have started selling again in 2025 without any
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It's not a lot.
So, by the way, you used the word
promotion.
Too many times.
You made a mistake.
I hate it when that happens.
It's not a lot so far, but enough
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(02:25:08):
Tinnitus.
Tinnitus.
Oh, yes, I know.
Tinnitus.
It's pronounced tinnitus, but I pronounce it tinnitus.
That's wrong.
But it's still the same word.
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She's Sunday, March 30th.
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And there's a little parentheses here.
Did not receive.
That's Jay's commentary.
I didn't receive anything either.

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Notes at noagendashow.net.
Which is the right address.
It should have been received.
Resend.
Resend.
Resend and we'll read it later.
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We all know and love her.
Jobs karma.
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Karma.
Well, I hate to tell you this, but
you're going to have to read the next
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Yeah, that's really not okay.

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I mean, you need a better spreadsheet.
Mark.
No, I don't.
Well, yes.
You like reading long notes.
I do not.
And you're a better reader than I am.
That's true.
By a lot.
Yes.
Mark.
Yeah, you're a good reader.
You're very talented in that regard.
Flattery.
I always will defer the long notes to
you.
Flattery will get you everywhere.

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Mark Calabian.
Calabian.
You blow it up.
He's in Glendale, California.
$200.
Long time listener.
Almost every episode for the past four years.
And douchebag here.
In the spirit of value for value, though,
I did leave a shout out to No
Agenda on my company's website for nearly all
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Well, that's good.

(02:28:47):
Frankly, I would have donated, but I'm a
very broke entrepreneur.
Pouring the past two years of pretty much
everything I have into building a new kind
of dating app, which finally launches the day
this episode airs.
And now, at last, I'll have an excuse
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And I'm pretty proud of it.
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Oh, they've done something AI-y.
Oh, Cluster Analysis.
Cluster.
We're hoping there's some cluster F-ing going
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We built a data-driven dating platform that
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Basically, it's a smart data-driven matchmaker designed
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This sounds a lot like the plot to
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I know you guys aren't totally sold on

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AI, correct, but this will be a good
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lot of notes.
And this is better work.
I did not.
I got a lot of notes.
From incels?
Yes.
After my incel presentation of the last show?
Yes.
In fact, I have a series of clips
if we have time.
Black appeal.
Black appeal, yeah.

(02:30:39):
I know you guys aren't totally sold on
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Plus, if we can do it while repopulating
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(02:35:13):
Order.
Order.
How dare you be so flippant, man?
Shut up, Steve.
So, incense.
I have an Ask Adam.
Oh, you do?
I wasn't prepared for an Ask Adam.
You can play a quick jingle.

(02:35:33):
Yeah.
If you can't find it, that's okay.
I used to have these kind of at
the ready, but I don't know what happened.
Yeah, what happened?
I don't know what happened.
Something happened.
For some reason, it's okay.
Here we go.
Here we go.

(02:35:54):
Ask Adam.
Ask.
Question.
Okay.
There we go.
That's the question.
Yes.
Answer the question.
So, I'm going to play the clip, then
I'm going to ask you a question about
the clip.
Okay.
Because I consider that there's what I would
call an illogic moment.
It's the Ask Adam clip.
The General Services Administration announced it is significantly

(02:36:17):
scaling back government-run childcare services.
WAMU's Jackson Zinnenberg has the story.
Up until this month, the GSA ran an
office of childcare services that oversaw a network
of 82 government-run services across the U
.S., including Puerto Rico.
Some are housed in federal office buildings, especially
those in D.C. Others are independent businesses

(02:36:38):
supported by the government that give preferential admission
to the children of federal workers.
Those childcare centers will now face closure or
significantly higher operating costs.
Okay.
What was the question?
The question will be, if they're having their
money taken away, why is there going to
be significantly higher operating costs?

(02:37:01):
It makes no sense.
They're having their money taken away.
Where was that from?
That's very interesting.
It was from WAMU in Washington, D.C.
It's a local PBS station.
Well, that explains it.
But I just – what?
This is like the same thing where they
say, oh, you know, it generates – you're

(02:37:24):
taking a billion dollars away from the park
service.
Do you realize that that $1 billion generates
$55 billion in revenue?
Well, you get $55 billion in revenue.
Why don't you recycle some of it?
I mean, we hear these illogic complaints constantly.

(02:37:44):
Well, that's what the media does.
I mean, they just take the press release
and read it.
I don't think they're doing any work anymore.
No, I think they stopped doing work some
time back.
So I have a series of clips.
Do we have time?
I'm wondering if I should keep it for
Sunday.
Maybe I'll keep this for Sunday.
Well, what series is the clip about?

(02:38:05):
Well, Morning Joe – so it was in
relation to the incel's black pill.
And I did get a number of very
interesting notes from one of our producers who
is an incel, and he explains why.
I got notes from teachers saying, yes, you
know, we try to do ballroom dance class

(02:38:26):
to get boys and girls comfortable with each
other.
And it is ballroom dance.
Which we try to do.
It's different than forcing it.
Yes, correct.
No, he says forcing.
I think he actually mentioned forcing.
Well, at what age?
Well, he is a – didn't say, just

(02:38:47):
teacher.
It makes a difference.
When you're forced to dance with a girl
in the second grade, first, second, and third
grade, it has a different impact on you
than eighth grade.
We got a note from Matt saying, we
used to have junior assembly.
A junior assembly.
That's something similar.
Then he says, now we're raising a young
man here.

(02:39:07):
He has a good head on his shoulders,
thanks to his mom.
But the battle is real.
And every day it's, the battle is real.
And so – and I can keep these
for Sunday if you want.
But Morning Joe – Morning Joe had a
piece on how Gen Z men are more
religious than Gen Z women.
And that this is – there's a trend

(02:39:29):
here.
A trend of young men discovering Christianity.
And I thought it was interesting because it
was on Morning Joe, if I can say
that enough.
Would you like to hear – Yeah, you
said it again.
Would you like to hear this report?
Well, I think so.
Because you've played some Christian clips, some white
Christian nationalist clips in the past two shows.

(02:39:51):
So I figure I would reciprocate.
None that I can recall, but sure.
Yes, you did.
What do you mean?
Yes.
I like the way your voice changed there.
Now to a remarkable shift happening.
Remarkable shift happening.
Remarkable shift.
Jesus is trending.
American public life.
Ever since the baby boomer generation, surveys have

(02:40:11):
shown women are more religious than men.
But not anymore.
Two new surveys show Gen Z men are
more likely to claim religious affiliation and even
attend church than their female counterparts.
Let's bring in NBC News correspondent and NBC
News Now Daily anchor, Morgan Radford, for a

(02:40:33):
closer look at this trend.
Is she the new anchor?
There's a new anchor at NBC Daily?
I don't watch the network that much.
And what it means, even politically, Morgan.
Mika, great question.
It has a lot of political implications, especially
if you sort of look down in the
decades to come.
But it's a trend that America's religious leaders

(02:40:54):
have been paying attention to.
But it's also something that a growing number
of political groups are tracking since this shift
toward religion.
It's happening at the very same time.
There were also seeing more young men lean
conservative on a number of social issues.
It's a shift that has huge implications, as
we mentioned, for the future of both parties.
Ah, huge implications for politics.

(02:41:15):
This is a bull crap story that's designed
to explain away the fact that younger Gen
Z men are voting Republican and they're eschewing
the Democrats and their stupidities and coming in
conservative.
And there's a big stink about it.
So now what they're doing here is they're

(02:41:36):
blaming it on those horrible Christians.
Have you seen this report?
No, I'm just telling you that's what I
believe is going on.
Well, let's have a listen.
20-year-old Owen Girard has changed.
I was on the steps of the Florida
State Capitol, you know, advocating for climate activism,
the Green New Deal, all that stuff.
A lot.
And then now?

(02:41:56):
And I'm a staunch conservative.
A conservative voter and a conservative Christian.
What changed?
Oh, wait a minute.
He was all in on our team.
He switched teams.
This is an example.
This would be MSNBC's gambit of association.
They use this trick.
So there's something going on that we don't

(02:42:17):
like.
And we know that our audience hates Christians.
They're a bunch of atheists.
And so we're going to make the associations
and do the linkage that doesn't exist.
It exists with one guy or this guy
or that guy.
But whatever it is, we're going to generalize
from that and make everybody look like a
bunch of boneheads.
All young men are Christians, John.

(02:42:38):
Are you kidding me?
They're all Republicans.
Well, really, it was the faith journey that
really fundamentally transformed my political views.
For the first time in modern American history,
more young men than women are claiming religious
affiliation, a gender gap of 7 percent.
While men under 30 who lean Republican have

(02:42:59):
also outpaced Democrats for the first time in
more than a decade.
You get a line with other men that
are like, hey, I actually have the same
views as you.
And it's like, it's OK to have that
view.
Here at the Faith Forward Pastor Summit in
Gainesville, Georgia, hosted by an arm of the
conservative activist group Turning Point USA.
The call from young conservative men.

(02:43:20):
We're called to be biblical and we're called
to be political.
By the way, if you want to make
Christians look crazy, get one of those guys.
We're called to be men and we're called
to be political.
Called to be biblical and biblical and political.
That's exactly what's going on here.
This is a propaganda piece.
Which is great.
We're called to be political.

(02:43:42):
Is finding a bigger audience than ever before.
I had a burning desire in my heart,
a heavenly desire that wasn't being filled by
anything of this of this world.
And so they bring in one of these
groups and they're the promise keepers.
For Shane Winnings, who leads the National Men's
Ministry Group Promise Keepers.

(02:44:02):
What kind of man are you?
It's all part of a bigger strategy.
I think it's very intentional.
And I think the messaging from the administration
was very intentional.
Ah, you see?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, see?
This is the president.
The president determines culture.
Yeah, it was to win those kind of
people.
Who?
You know, the young people, the men who
want to be men.

(02:44:22):
If you fear culture, then you don't fear
God.
Men who want to, or can be convinced
to, return to what he calls traditional values.
What we're seeing in this erosion where now
anyone can be a family, you know.
Two men can be a family, and they
can adopt kids.
They hate gays!
Which I think is problematic.
Two women can be a family, they can
adopt kids.
Marriage doesn't mean anything anymore.

(02:44:43):
What threat is that to you, if those
two men love each other?
Because you can point statistically to our society
being eroded from within, because two men automatically
create an unstable household, because that is not
God's design for a family.
And you think that hurts America?
Absolutely.
Which extends to policy issues that he believes
are fundamentally against God.

(02:45:05):
Oh yeah, now we're getting into the nitty
-gritty.
I mean, you're absolutely right.
I think it backfires what they're trying to
do here.
Let's hit wokeness.
When we talk about the intertwining of faith
and politics, a lot of the messaging here
is about eradicating wokeness.
Yeah.
What does that mean?
Well, I think wokeness, you know, is really

(02:45:26):
anything that comes against God's design.
It's this progressive mentality.
Oh, please.
Wokeness is like DEI.
Wokeness is- You think that's against God?
Yes, 100%.
How so?
Well, I mean, it is everything it claims
to be against.
You know, DEI is discriminatory.
It is racist.
DEI says, what's your skin color and who

(02:45:48):
do you sleep with?
You're getting to the front of the line.
Can I push back on that?
Please.
My interpretation of DEI and affirmative action is
essentially saying not that you must promote me
because I'm black, but you are not allowed
to discriminate against me because I'm black.
But that's already a part of our constitution
and already a part of our laws.

(02:46:10):
DEI has been used to push people to
the front of the line who don't belong
there.
If someone calls some point and says that's
a DEI hire- I think that's wrong
too.
Do you think they're pointing at you or
you think they're pointing at me?
I don't know.
I'll tell you what though, I think it's
wrong to make a snap judgment.
Like, that is not godly.
Because it assumes that the only people who
can have good things are straight white men.
Exactly.
And that's a problem.

(02:46:30):
I'm excited.
You have your Bible?
So at Promise Keeper- Hold on a
second.
I love this.
First of all, what kind of reporter gets
into an argument- Can I push back
on that, please?
With someone they're interviewing?
Yeah, well- I mean, they're supposed to
be hearing the point of view and then
maybe finding somebody else with a different point
of view.
You do all this kind of thing.
You're supposed to be fairly neutral.

(02:46:51):
But then to get into an argument as
though you're the contradiction to whatever this guy's
saying is bad journalism.
It is.
But it's what they're pushing today.
You gotta do that.
You gotta do that.
We're gonna go back to the studio now.
Let's talk about the politics of all this.
Obviously, we were just talking to the head
of the DNC about what happened in November.

(02:47:13):
Why Democrats may have lost.
Men central to that.
I'm not just talking about white men.
I'm talking about men.
Young men in particular.
So what are the political implications of that
report you just showed us?
I'm actually glad that you said not just
white men because this coalition that is bubbling
up is actually becoming more inclusive racially.
Which has been a little bit surprising, frankly,

(02:47:33):
to watch in the data.
But what economists say is that if you
actually look- If women are leaving the
church, where are these far-right men going
to meet these women?
If you're not meeting at the church, you're
not meeting at the bar.
But they're saying this actually could have implications
romantically.
It could have implications on the birth rate.
Because you can't pair if women are ideologically
so far left and you're moving so far
right.
Which means you're actually sort of compromising or

(02:47:55):
putting at risk the very traditional family that
you're trying to see.
So I found this to be an interesting
stretch.
It's like, if you join the church, you're
actually going to become an incel because there's
no women there.
No women in the church!
That'll be the day, by the way.
Right.
And so now they bring in two fun

(02:48:15):
terms.
I always use the term sparkle clergy or
rainbow church, but they have new ones.
Well, I'm reading a lot about women not
getting married, opting not to get married, not
finding- We've talked about that, yeah.
I'm curious.
These young men, are they going to the
church first and then finding the conservative political

(02:48:38):
messaging?
Or are they seeking it out?
Are they being indoctrinated?
And finding it in churches?
It's a great question.
Another great question!
Like the chicken or the egg, and the
answer is both.
And what surprised me is that the pastors
we spoke to said that the more strident
their message is against the mainstream.
We already know that basically two-thirds of

(02:48:59):
the country believes that same-sex marriage is
okay, abortion is okay, that transgender rights should
be part of the tapestry of this country.
But they're saying the more strident they are
against those things, they can use that as
a recruitment tool.
They said, we don't believe in gummy bear
Jesus or candy Christianity.
And they said- I love gummy bear
Jesus.
I never forgot sort of the analogy of

(02:49:19):
one pastor.
He said, look, you're welcome to come break
bread with us and have food at the
table.
But don't think we're changing the menu.
The menu was set millennia ago.
Yes, and then the final clip is about
the loneliness and regression.
To me, as we were having the same
conversation around the loneliness epidemic of men, young
men especially, it sounds like that the church

(02:49:40):
is a place where people are finding community.
And that community potentially could be- I
mean, the only time I can think of
is radicalizing them around this particular- There
you go, there you go.
Radicalize them!
Ideology as it relates to the nuclear family
and what millennia said.
It's crazy stuff they're doing there.

(02:50:02):
I don't think millennia had you in mind.
Or you.
Or me.
Did they know you were black?
That's what I want to know.
That wasn't the real question yet.
No, but the community, the community question.
Yeah, look, I think they are saying it's
a place that they can find community, but
it's what that community looks like now.
And they're saying they want to revert back

(02:50:22):
to this traditional community.
But they say that progress was such a
bad word.
Yes.
They don't want to see progress.
So the question is- I didn't hear
anyone say they don't want to see progress.
I didn't hear that either.
Where's she getting that from?
Or does it need to be regressive?
From her lesbian friends.
Yeah, exactly.
They don't want to see progress.
So the question is, is traditional even enough?

(02:50:45):
Or does it need to be regressive community?
And the opposite side of it is you
look at a lot of these progressive Christians
who say, Look, if you're denying someone inclusion
in your church because of DEI or some
such thing, are you reflecting the fact that
God created us all in his image?
It's interesting.
No one said they reject anyone.
Because if he created us in his image,

(02:51:06):
he created all of us and all of
our multiplicities.
So it's an interesting conversation.
Remarkable piece and remarkable conversation.
Oh, remarkable my ass.
Remarkable my ass.
Yeah, they don't know what to do with
it.
Well, they do actually.

(02:51:26):
Like, oh, just make it Trump.
It's Trump.
That brings us to the last two TikTok
clips.
Oh, I'm so happy.
Let's go with the TikTok clips.
Let's start with Kathy.
Kathy it is.
I just had dinner with a friend that
works for Catholic Charities of Dallas, Texas.
Okay, stick with me here.

(02:51:47):
This is going to disturb all of you.
They just got a letter from the tip
-top of the people in Washington telling them
that they would not get money to help
their charitable organization feed people if they did
not give up all of the names, addresses,

(02:52:10):
and information of all of the El Salvadorian.
El Salvadorian.
I can't even do it.
I can't even talk about it.
Because it makes me want to cry.
She said she is so torn.
But it came down from up above that
they have to give them up.
They have to give up all of their

(02:52:31):
information if they want the money to help
everyone.
How is this what we are living in?
How is this what is happening?
I can't.
I'm laughing earlier today, but I'm finishing out
the day fucking crying.
Oversocialized and undereducated.
They want to get a hold of the

(02:52:51):
MS-13 people, and they won't be able
to feed them.
But the Catholic Charities that she's talking about
is an immigrant resettlement organization.
Yeah, it's a scam.
It's a scam, yeah.
And I like how there's a subtext there.
It's coming from up above like God is
doing it.
We know what he's talking about.
He's coming from Trump.

(02:53:12):
Subtext, yeah.
Not God.
And here we have our Wisconsin nut.
Elon?
With the cheese on his head?
No, another one.
So Elon Musk is getting charged with a
possible felony in the state of Wisconsin for
bribery charges.
And if he comes to the state of
Wisconsin, he will be arrested.

(02:53:33):
Also, Mike Johnson was just arrested.
It's coming unraveled.
What?
I said that I thought eventually Elon Musk
was leaving and wasn't sure if he was
being deported, but it seemed like it.
Just thought I would let you guys know.
Blessings to you.
Make it a great day.
And I am one more day proud to

(02:53:55):
be from the state of Wisconsin.
All right.
Well, I have to say this is no
nuttier than Hillary Clinton is already at Gitmo.
And I'll admit quantum dots, quantum dots on
the ballots and the grid is going down.
Oh, man.
Social media is ruining.
Johnson's already been arrested.

(02:54:17):
And Elon, if he shows up in Wisconsin,
we saw him in Wisconsin, is going to
be arrested if he shows up.
It's unbelievable.
It's worse than anything.
Oh, yeah.

(02:54:41):
Still on the way, we have three dynamite
brand new end of show mixes you will
not want to miss.
We have tips of the day because I
also have a tip of the day today,
which I'm excited to share.
It's not always John.
Sometimes it's also me.
And we have meetups galore.
So if John will hop to it, we've
got a nice list of well wishes for
your 73rd birthday.

(02:55:02):
And by the way, John, in advance, happy
birthday.
Well, thank you very much.
And we're going to start off with some
people that helped us here and starting with
Joan.
Joan Gasparone in Isle of Palms, South Carolina,
133.
Hey, hack on and recent hack on.
What do you think?
I don't know.
Five thirty five.

(02:55:24):
That's a that's a birthday donation for his
niece.
Tilda, who turned to a geek rolling in
Coeur d'Alene, Idaho.
One oh one oh one.
Matthew Toy in Carnegie, Pennsylvania.
One hundred.
And he's donating for all the free entertainment.
Curtis Thomas.
One hundred.

(02:55:46):
He's in from parts unknown.
He has a long note of how great
we are.
Thank you very much.
Great.
We appreciate that.
Baron Lattican in Houston, Texas.
One hundred.
John Robben, a hundred.
Kellen Prince in Hollywood, Florida.
One hundred.
Sir F.

(02:56:06):
A.
N.
Beck in Vista, California.
One hundred.
Then we got to Kevin McLaughlin.
Eight oh eight.
He's the Archduke of Luna.
Lover of American lover of boobs.
Concord, North Carolina.
Baron.
And now we have birthday.
These are all happy birthday, John.
Donations.
I'm going to skip it.
I don't know why we don't have cities
in most of these because it comes right

(02:56:29):
off the spreadsheets.
This happens with PayPal once in a while.
I don't know what causes it, but we're
going to thank everyone in order.
Starting with Baron Victor and then Dame Flying
Fish.
They both wish me a happy birthday.
William Bullock.
Marjorie Santelli.

(02:56:50):
James Borders.
Also mentions four more years.
There's Kevin McLaughlin again.
Seventy five.
Sixty eight.
He's the Archduke of Luna.
Thank you, Kevin.
Patricia.
Come back.
K.
M.
A.
C.
K.
What a great name.
Come back.
Irma and Anita.
And they're in Holland.

(02:57:12):
Irma and Anita.
Happy birthday from Irma and Anita.
Love the show.
Oh, thanks.
We find out about before COVID hit.
We find out the right time.
That's right.
David Schwendinger followed by Dave Schwannbeck.
Schwendinger and Schwannbeck.

(02:57:33):
Schwendinger and Schwannbeck.
And then Devin O'Connell.
And he has a birthday himself on the
ninth.
Paolo.
Paolo.
Paolo.
Paolo.
Paolo.
Paolo.
Porco.
Porco.
Porco.
Porco.
I'm not sure.
Serfina.
Ryan Zukowski.

(02:57:55):
Brendan Blemmer.
Baron Nettes.
Ellen.
She says she does have a Montgomery, Alabama.
That did come through.
Wow.
73 revolutions, J.C.D. No wonder you're
so grouchy.
But then she says, love your insight.
No, no.
Baron Nettes.
Ellen wants house-buying karma.

(02:58:16):
Oh.
It's David Sousa who says, no one.
Wait, where is the?
I'm sorry.
Brendan Flemmer.
Brendan Flemmer.
She loves my insight.
Brendan Flemmer was so grouchy.
Brendan Flemmer.
She's the one.
Or he.
Brendan.
Brendan's a he.
Yes.
And he's the one.
Okay.
Baron Nettes.
Ellen in Montgomery, Alabama.
You're right.
That's different.
I was right.

(02:58:37):
She needs some house-buying karma.
We'll give you that at the end.
David Sousa in Turlock, California.
Sousa.
Oh, you.
Baron Anonymous Cop.
Hold on.
David Sousa says he donated 133 last year
for the first time and was never de
-duced.

(02:58:58):
You've been de-duced.
By the way, what an opportunity.
This is your Ham Radio birthday.
This is your 73.
73, it's your ham, it's your ham birthday.
Oh, well that's, that's, I'll make a note
of that in the next newsletter.
73's everybody.
You got to item 49 and you finally,
it dawned on you, great, it hasn't dawned

(02:59:19):
on me, you got me beat.
Just realized.
This is the way we do it.
Yeah.
Baron, oh, we missed out on that idea.
Baron Anonymous Cop, our buddy there, is 73
bucks, he's on the peninsula.
Joshua Collins, Sir David French, Baron of Bits,
Bites, and Bourbon, Sir Dan in Canton, Georgia,

(02:59:43):
Dame Rita, there she is, she's in Sparks,
Nevada.
What?
Or Texas.
Wait, uh, you, you, you crapped out for
a moment.
Dame Rita and Tony Helps.
Yes, yes, she, Dame Rita's in Nevada, Nevada,
and Tony Helps is in Texas.

(03:00:05):
Fort Worth, where all the money is.
Joe Drake in Ferndown, UK.
Consider this, this interesting, this is a show
multiplier, but it's $70, this has got nothing
to do with anything.
Uh, my birthday, that was all the birthday
hellos, there's 30 of them, thank you very
much everybody.
And Joe, Joe Drake wanted to de-douche.

(03:00:27):
Onward with Ethan Moss in Roanoke, Texas, Chad
Hewitt in Folsom, California.
Oh, you know what it is?
What?
That's interesting.
Um, I'll tell you after the show.
Les Tarkowsky in Kingman, Arizona, Chad Hewitt in

(03:00:50):
Folsom, California, Ethan Moss, I said that in
Roanoke, Texas, going backwards, Brian Furley, I said
that, 55-10 for him.
Dame Tracy and Sir Cain Brake in St.
George, Louisiana, 55-10, Harry Mattson in Ventura,
54-20, Heather Harper in Lubbock, 53-33,

(03:01:15):
John Bassano in Madison, Alabama, 52-72, Jennifer
Williams in Davy Crockett, National Park, is that
what that is, Texas?
I thought that was the Alamo.
National Forest.
National Forest.
National Forest, okay, 52-72.
James Burrows in Landrum, South Carolina, FEMA Region

(03:01:38):
4, de-douche.
Also, Housebuying Karma at the end for you.
And now we go to the $50 donors,
name and location, Scott McCarty in Lodi, Jordan
Tierney in Oro, South Dakota, Tony Lang in
Castle Pines, Colorado, Foster Birch in New York
City, Matt Frazee in St. John's, Florida, Daniel

(03:02:02):
Laboe in Bath, Michigan, Rebecca Haugh, H-A
-U-G-H, which is Haugh, I think,
Haugh, Haugh, Haugh, Haugh, Haugh, Haugh, Haugh, in
Memphis, Tennessee, James Charametta, we haven't heard from
him for a while, he's in Abenak, New
York, Leslie Walker in Roseburg, Oregon.
She says, I wish I could give more

(03:02:24):
each month, you are a huge part of
my life, you give accurate information so we
can function in these crazy times.
Yes.
Carlos Estrada in Spring, Texas, and Aichi Kitagawa
in San Francisco, these are the people that
helped us produce and get show 1752 off
the ground, I want to thank each and

(03:02:44):
every one of them.
Very good group, Housebuying Karma for two people
here.
You've got karma.
And thank you all so much, we do
not mention people under $50 so that there's
a spot where you can always be anonymous,
however, a reminder once again, we do have
those recurring donations and they help a lot,
you can set them up any amount, any
frequency by going to noagendadonations.com and again,

(03:03:06):
thank you to our executive and associate executive
producers who helped us produce episode 1752.
Hockland Andresen wishes his niece Tilda a very
happy birthday, now she celebrated her second birthday
on March 24th.
Calipages Collin, happy birthday to their newest human

(03:03:27):
resource, Chloe Susanna, happy birth, he says, born
March 21st, 2025.
Jules Wicker turns 44 today.
Happy birthday, Jules.
John is turned, oh, John, that's you, you
turned 73 on April 5th, that'll be, what
is that, Saturday, happy birthday, John.
Cervantes wishes his niece Leona a very happy
birthday, turns seven tomorrow.

(03:03:48):
Cervantes shares your birthday, John, on April 5th.
Cervantes also wishes his daughter, Isla, a happy
18th on John's birthday again, it's a popular
day.
Marty turns 40 on the 8th and Devin
O'Connell celebrates on the 9th.
We say happy birthday to all of these
birthday boys and girls from everybody here at
the best podcast in the universe.

(03:04:09):
We have two Commodores to welcome into the
Commodore ship, which includes a very handsome certificate
that you can hang on the wall.
It's really, it's quite a nice piece of
work.
You can see it and find out more
at noagendarings.com, check out the Commodore tab.
So we would like to congratulate Commodore Doug
and Commodore JLGS LLC, both of you Commodores

(03:04:33):
of no agenda.
Commodores arriving and go to noagenderings.com, give
us an address, we'll be sure to take
care of you.
Then we have a dame, one dame with
a cool name, a dame with a cool
name, got a blade here.
I got the dame blade.
The dame blade, oh, beautiful.

(03:04:54):
Tracy Sullivan.
Skip, I'm up.
Tracy, thanks to your support of the No
Agenda Show and the amount of $1,000
or more, anybody can do it.
Even people on the Knight or Dame layaway
can become a Knight or a Dame and
you are there.
And I hereby am very proud to pronounce
Hay-Bee as Dame Sally Bananas.
For you, we've got some hookers and blow,

(03:05:15):
rent boys and chardonnay, that may be more
for you.
We also have harlots and howl-doll, redheads
and ryes.
We've got rubinous, luminous, rosé, gayson, and sake,
vodka, vanilla, vongage, and bourbon, sparkling cider, estorts.
We've got breast milk and pablum, ginger ale
and gerbils or always the mutton and the
mead.
And you, Dame Sally Bananas, can go to

(03:05:37):
NoAgendaRings.com.
There is your ring waiting for you.
We need to have your ring size.
Just use the handy ring sizing guide and
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It's a Cignet ring, so you also get
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With that, you can imprint your ITM logo
and hit them in the mouth in Latin
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(03:05:58):
also comes with a certificate of authenticity.
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Anybody can support us in some small way.
You can also do that recurring donation, NoAgendaDonations
.com.

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We love the meetups.
We love the meetup reports.
There's going to be a cool meetup.
Actually, there's a couple of cool meetups on
John's birthday.
But first, we have a report from a
very small meetup, but that doesn't matter.
A report is a report from the Not
For Fools meetup in Knoxville.
In the morning, No Agenda Nation.
This is Commodore Baron Bones checking in from
Barley's at the Knoxville meetup.

(03:06:41):
Only two people showed up, me and someone
else.
We'll hand off the microphone here in just
a moment.
But next time, we'll do a better job
of announcing this.
Because you get me a jingle that says,
Hey, it's Adam Currie in the No Agenda
Zone.
Make sure all of you Knoxville producers can
check it out.
Kind of a lonely night.
It's a Tuesday night.
I'm a disco jockey.
That's right.
Got to do it on a school night
because I'm busy on the weekends.

(03:07:02):
In the morning.
Adam, John, I want to thank you for
your courage.
This is Commodore Hogfather coming to you live
from Knoxville, Tennessee.
Wow, two Commodores and they didn't have anybody
else.
You people missed out in Knoxville.
And of course, you could have had your
server in there.
Add your servers in your meetup reports.
They love it.
The establishments love it.
And it's fun to listen to.

(03:07:22):
There's a meetup taking place right now.
The No Agenda New York City Meetup at
the Perfect Pint West in New York City.
If you're in New York, go hang out
with them.
Also, the Northern Wake Public Slave Gathering starts
in about an hour from now.
Hoppy Endings in Raleigh, North Carolina.
On Saturday, in Japan, Osaka, Japan.
Sir Bill of Osaka has organized the Osaka

(03:07:42):
Castle Cherry Blossom Viewing and Amygdala Shrinking Meetup
at 1.33 Japan time.
And there it is, the Northern Silicon Valley
JCD Birthday Extravaganza Bash, 3.33 p.m.
Pacific at Pizzeria Violetta in Oakland, California.
Go say hi to John.
Ladies, make sure you kiss him.

(03:08:05):
He loves it.
That's it for our meetups.
Many more on the list.
You can find them all at noagendameetups.com.
You can search by list, search by area.
And thank you all for the producers who
organized these.
They are producer-organized, but it's a great
way to get some protection because that's what
you get with that connection.
They are your first responders in an emergency.

(03:08:26):
noagendameetups.com If you can't find one near
you, I recommend you start one yourself.
You want to be where everybody feels the
same, it's like a party.

(03:08:50):
As we always like to do, we like
to select an end-of-show ISO, which
is really nothing more than just propagating the
truth that artificial intelligence is only good for
ISOs.
There's no other reason to use it.
Here's my real ISO.
I call him a spook.
That's all I got.
And I'm sure yours are much better.
Oh, you could have done better.

(03:09:11):
No, I'm not even trying.
I'm not even trying.
Well, I'm going to stop doing these if
you stop trying.
You have a lozenge in your mouth.
Yeah, I'm chewing on it now to get
rid of it.
Okay, let's start with the ISO.
This is better.
Wow, that was better than a dirty Sanchez.

(03:09:33):
How can I compete?
I can't compete.
And you have a dirty mind, John C.
Dvorak.
And still going strong with this dirty mind.
That was a good one.
What's the next?
Uh, this is a fine.
No, that doesn't beat the dirty Sanchez.
Yeah, but you can't use it.
Try this one.

(03:09:54):
The last was so good.
That's the one, man.
That's the one.
That's a winner.
This is no two ways about it.
Hey, it is time now for John's illustrious
tip of the day.
Great advice for you and me.
Just a tip with JCD.

(03:10:15):
And sometimes Adam.
Created by Dana Brunetti.
Can I do my, uh?
Yeah, do yours first and I'll follow up.
Uh, we were talking about toilet seats on
a pre on several.
We have talked about toilet scenes quite a
bit on this show as it turns out.
We shouldn't.
Well, there is a, uh, a toilet seat
that is a electronic bidet toilet seat.

(03:10:37):
It does the full, the full wash, the
full, uh, everything you want.
It has the heated seat and it doesn't
look dorky.
It actually looks pretty cool.
It is the washlet.
C5 round electronic bidet toilet seats.
And I get it.
Wash let wash.

(03:10:58):
Let's the washlet w a s h l
e t c five round electronic bidet toilet
seats.
And it won't break the bank.
Now I have, I have a, it's not
a whole toy.
It's just the seat.
It's just the seat.
Yes.
But it's not like some dorky, you know,
it looks like a normal seat.
It has a remote control supposed to look
like it has a remote control and you

(03:11:20):
can control the sprayer.
It has a remote control.
So somebody can walk by while you're in
the pot.
Next thing you know, you're soaked.
Well, you should use, you keep the remote
control in the bathroom.
Um, but why does it need to be
remote?
Then you're right there.
Well, because otherwise you have the, like a
huge handle sticking out of the seat and
that's what makes it looks dumb.
Looks like a geriatric device.

(03:11:42):
So there's a bunch of these is the
Toto.
There's the washlet.
Yeah, that's it.
The Toto.
The Toto is 350 bucks from Amazon, but
the washlet C5, which looks like the exact
same thing in Chinese version from Ali expresses
two 77.
Yeah.
But you, you, you're forgetting to include the
54% tariff.

(03:12:04):
Well, now's the time before the tariff goes
into play.
Get your toilet seat quick, everybody.
Meanwhile, Walmart has the same seat for 493.
And well, this is good.
So there's, there's different places.
You can get an example of Amazon actually
having cheaper than Walmart, which is not usually
the case.

(03:12:24):
Interesting.
And you can get it in two days
from price.
Yeah, I, I know, but I'm, I'm considering
this.
Why did you get the one from China
then?
I always feel exact product.
If there's anything you use every single day,
like shoes, you know, uh, mattress, you know,

(03:12:48):
I use our toilet every day.
I, I am definitely, you don't think the
same, this one is from Amazon's not the
China one is the same one.
I didn't say it wasn't.
I'm just talking about the model.
I'm just saying, this is what you want.
This looks sleek.
It looks modern and it does the deed.
It's a good looking product.
It's a good looking products.

(03:13:08):
All right.
You are in a grouchy mood.
All right.
Well, I got something that's off beat, although
we can just stay with that one tip.
We don't need two.
I want your tip.
Uh, this is something JC turned me on
to and I, so I got one and
I checked it out.
It's kind of cool to have.

(03:13:29):
I think it's important to have one in
around the house, a Geiger counter.
I have a Geiger counter.
Do you have the little handheld one?
It's about the size of a cell phone.
No, I have a, uh, a world war
two Geiger counter.
One of those.
Yeah, no, this is a newer version.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I had one of those.
They're too big and clunky.
Yeah.
They're very clunky.

(03:13:50):
This is a modern Geiger counter.
Of course it's made in China and a
GQ electronics.
It's actually says Seattle.
It says Seattle, Washington on the, when it
opens, but it's Chinese.
Give me a break.
And it's the G Q E a GMC
800.
You can get that, but there's other ones
that are similar.
They're all under a hundred dollars and they

(03:14:12):
have a little sensor on the side of
the Geiger tube, uh, at least a modern
version, I guess, is somebody's miniaturized it.
And I think it's handy to have.
And I had checked it out.
I have a uranium rock amongst my collection.
Of course you do.
Doesn't everybody have a uranium rock laying around
next to the uranium rock next to the

(03:14:34):
cheddar cheese hat?
It's it's it's sealed in a lead thing.
And I checked it.
Yup.
It could see the uranium.
And so it works.
It's funny because I'm actually slightly radioactive.
Wow.
Seems like humans.
I mean, the background on this, the background
is around eight or just no radiation at

(03:14:55):
all.
And then when you're, when you're hanging it
around a person, it'll go up to 10.
Now, if you hit the uranium sky, have
you tried a banana?
Not yet.
Not to mention I should try a banana.
What other things?
I mean, what is the actual usefulness of
a Geiger counter around the house?
To check your water supply, maybe to check

(03:15:17):
to see if there's somebody serving you tea.
You might want to make sure it's not
laced with plutonium to try to kill you.
That's one good use.
Is this a portable device that you can
take with you?
Yeah, it's the size of a cell phone.
It's very small.
Oh, you can take it with you to
the Russian tea room where they might try
something.
You could take it to the Russian tea
room and then you could pull it out.
You could also take to the fish market
to make sure you're not getting radioactive salmon.

(03:15:39):
These are all, this is tips within tips.
Yeah, there's a lot of potential uses.
So I just think everyone should have a
Geiger counter.
Come on, it's 2025.
Yeah, that's right, everybody.
Get your Geiger counter.
Find out more at tipoftheday.net, noagendafund.com.

(03:16:03):
Wow.
Wow, wow, wow.
That's why people stick the whole show out,
John, just to hear stuff like that.
It is 2025.
Everybody should have a Geiger counter.
I cannot disagree.
Cannot disagree, particularly at the Russian tea room.
It's very important.

(03:16:26):
Let's see.
We have, oh, Bowl after Bowl coming up
next on the No Agenda stream.
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still there, trollroom.io. Or you can just
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(03:16:48):
End of show mixes.
We have new ones.
Hugh Allison, haven't had one from him in
a while.
Steve Jones of the Jones Brothers Syndicate is
back.
And James Boss.
All wonderful end of show mixes.
And we'll be back on Sunday.
You will, of course, enjoy the media deconstruction.
The news rip apartage.

(03:17:10):
And I will be coming to you then
again from the heart of the Texas Hill
Country in FEMA region number six.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
See you guys at the Violetta Pizzeria in
Oakland next Saturday.
And remember us at noagendadonations.com.

(03:17:31):
Until Sunday, adios, mofos, hui hui, and such.
I'm not buying it.
I'm not buying.
I'm not buying.
You're not buying it.
I'm not buying the fact that she's.
It's bullshit.
Again, not buying it.
You're not buying anything.
Can I sell you anything today?
For that, I'm not buying it.

(03:17:51):
I am, as you would say, not buying
it.
Yeah, I saw the fly.
I'm not buying it.
Do you buy that?
I mean, I'm not quite sure why.
Not buying it because I'm just not buying
it.
I don't buy that.
I'm not buying that.

(03:18:11):
I know what you're doing.
Yeah, but I'm not.
You're not buying it.
I didn't say that.
Oh, I came so close.
Shut up, slave.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you for holding us down, down.
Five years.
We are a toddler, toddler.
And we are in these streets in this
world.

(03:18:34):
When you are in the midst of a
crisis, and specifically a crisis of democracy, how
do you resist?
When fascism isn't just coming, it's already here.
We are going to talk about what people
are actually doing to resist this.

(03:18:55):
Drank it old-fashioned.
Old-fashioned.
Number two, took a nap.
Old-fashioned, took a nap.
Number three, delighted co-workers with sarcasm.
Sarcasm, sarcasm.
Put Black History Month stickers, stickers, stickers, on
bulletin board and gave out emotional support dumpster
fires.
And last but not least, number one, executed

(03:19:17):
low productivity tasking.
Number two, identified opportunities for transition to high
productivity tasking.
Executed low productivity tasking.
Low productivity tasking.
Developed a plan for Doge to F off.

(03:19:41):
The Russian leader with puffy face.
Putin coughing continuously.
Continuously.
Legs shaking uncontrollably.
Restless leg syndrome, I guess.
He's going to die.
Putin will die soon.

(03:20:01):
He's got puffy face.
And making jerky movements.
Legs shaking uncontrollably.
Putin coughing continuously.
He's going to die.

(03:20:22):
Restless leg syndrome, I guess.
Mofo.

(03:20:43):
Wow, that was better than a Dirty Sanchez.

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