1755 - "Rat Poop" - No Agenda Show

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Your tip is no good!
Adam Curry, John C.
Dvorak.
It's Sunday, April 13th, 2025.
This is your award-winning Gilmore Nation Media
Assassination Episode 1755.
This is no agenda.
Cutting through the chaos.
And broadcasting live from the heart of the
Texas hill country here in FEMA Region Number

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6.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from northern Silicon Valley.
Well, we've noticed that 420 and Easter are
the same day.
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
It's Clagglot and Buzzkill.
In the morning.
Yes, yes, donors around the world have noticed
that.
I'm curious why you noticed it.

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I noticed it because I was, I just
noticed it.
It's just unusual for me because it's usually,
you notice it after the show.
Yes, this is true.
After the donation opportunity was gone.
Well, today is Palm Sunday though.
It's a good start.
I guess.
Yes.

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I thought Ash Wednesday.
Oh, I'm not even getting it in.
Yeah, I don't know.
You did mention chaos.
I have the super clip.
Oh, we both have the super clip.
Well, how long is your super clip?
Mine is 52 seconds.
Oh, I guess we have the same super
clip.
But then I have a follow-up clip.
Well, let me hit you with the super

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clip.
Hit me with your super clip, baby.
We begin this hour with the chaos.
The average American sees chaos.
The American people see chaos.
It's total chaos.
You brought chaos.
It's just complete chaos.
Unleashed an economic chaos.
They unleash chaos.
They are creating chaos.
This chaos.
Oh, there's too much chaos.

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Total chaos.
And amidst the chaos.
Gonna see chaos.
After seeing all the chaos.
The chaos is unleashed on America.
Continue to see the chaos.
Economic chaos.
A lot more chaos.
Trump's chaos.
This is chaos.
With such chaos.
The chaos.
Because of this chaos.
All of this chaos.

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Uncertainty and chaos.
Given all that chaos.
When it's chaos.
All the chaos.
Chaos and confusion grow.
More chaos, dysfunction.
The chaos is the purpose.
The chaos is the goal.
It's chaos.
Based upon that super clip, I would say
this was probably launched by Schumer.
He probably said, all right, everybody, we're going

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for chaos.
Schumer seems to be the guy behind much
of this.
Yes.
Yes.
I was just going to say, I had
the one additional clip, which is to prove
that NPR is on board with the Democrat
industrial complex.
Here is part of the teaser for one
of your favorite shows and one of your
favorite hosts on the media.

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Oh, yes.
With Brooke.
With Brooke Gladstone.
Brooke, your buddy, Brooke Gladstone.
And here's her teaser.
I'm looking for where the clip is.
It's under Gladstone.
Oh, Gladstone, yes.
There's a lot going on right now.
Mounting economic inequality, threats to democracy, environmental disaster,
the sour stench of chaos in the air.

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You know...
Stench of chaos.
That's a good one.
We've had...
There have been many chaos...
I'm looking if we see any other chaos
super clips.
I think it was...
I think they played with, toyed with it
before.
They were going with the threat to democracy.
Well, they had chaos and confusion.

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That was February.
Let's just check that.
Tonight, confusion and chaos is spreading within a
number of agencies across the federal government.
Tonight, chaos and confusion across the federal government.
This morning, chaos and confusion across the federal
government.
Okay, guys, listen, it's Chuck.
Okay, chaos and confusion.

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No, wait, wait.
Simplify the message.
It didn't work.
It was too...
Alliteration was good, but it was just too
much.
You're right.
Thank you very much, John, for that input
here on the Zoom call.
We're going for chaos, everybody.
Is it good?
We're going for chaos?
Everyone got it?
Chaos?
Chaos.
Going for chaos.
Simplify the message.

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Chaos and confusion was too much.
It was too complicated.
The American people could not figure it out.
They couldn't parrot it.
We didn't do a good job.
Didn't do a good job.
Man.
Well, what is this?
Well, chaos.
It's just good.
It's good.
And I can see where they tried to

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make this...
I mean, first of all, no one cares
anymore.
People just don't care.
They don't care about the...
I have concluded...
I'll restate what I said on the last
show.
Yes, this feels like we're in COVID.
Everyone's responding the same way.
As I was pondering this, I thought...

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Oh, you were...
What?
I was pondering.
I sat at home drinking my schnapps, pondering,
smoking my pipe, pondering, what is really going
on here?
Rubbing my chin and I said to myself,
ah, of course, this is just a re
-ignition.
We have never gotten over the cultural trauma

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of COVID.
That is still lingering.
These things don't go away within a couple
of years.
For us, John, you and I perhaps, but
I think that this is something you can
reignite over and over again.
But they have to use different words.
Chaos is not the right word.
If you want to really trigger that COVID

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cultural trauma, I'm not quite sure what it
is, but you've got to use something.
I think they could trigger it on a
dime if they had the right mechanism.
Well, that's an interesting thesis.
Oh, I was...
I'm not going to, it's like...
You're not going to argue it?
I'm not going to argue it.
Thank you.

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That means I'm right.
Well, you would definitely be right if they
could come up with what you're looking for,
which is the term, the triggering moment, that
the one thing I hadn't, you know, I
can't think of anything.

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Somebody might come up with something.
You start saying it over and over again
and everyone just goes back to COVID.
Well, can we use the word pandemic in
a different manner?
Can we say economic pandemic, maybe?
I think pandemic is part of the problem.
That has to go.

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Oh, that's no good.
That's what I'm just thinking.
It's like been beat up.
I mean, with the, you know, it's just,
you got to have something.
I don't know.
It's a great idea if you could come
up with it.
Virus, virus, virus.
Can we use virus somehow?
Trump is a virus.
No, it doesn't work.
Well, think about it.

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I think they're dead in the water with
this.
Oh, well, the chaos is no good.
No, it's no good.
Well, no, it's all of it.
I don't think they're pulling anything off.
Maybe you just say the economic downturn is
spreading like a pandemic.
I mean, maybe it can be longer, perhaps.
I don't think.
No, they've already proven they can't deal with

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longer.
You have to be simple.
Because the people don't get it.
They don't understand.
It's chaos, people.
Don't you see?
It's chaos.
Well, adding to the chaos, and might as
well address this right off the bat, was
this very bad day in aviation in New
York, in the Hudson River with the helicopter.

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Well, you reported in real time.
I did?
Oh, yes, I did.
But, but, but.
Yes, you did.
But we didn't know exactly.
We hadn't seen all the video.
Now, we've got just amazing how much video
we have, which is on one hand, very
helpful.
On the other hand, not helpful.
There seems to be a consensus among news

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experts, aviation news station experts that, oh, this
is mass bumping, mass bumping.
It's got to be mass bumping.
It sounds cool because people are like, well,
what's mass bumping?
I've never heard of mass bumping.
Is it like climb bumping?
No, it's mass bumping.
It's something completely different.
So I'll explain mass bumping and why I
think this is not it.
Although the results of what you saw with

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the tail rotor coming off, with the half
of the tail boom and the main, not
just rotor, but the whole gear separating from
the aircraft.
Mass bumping first came to play with helicopters
in Vietnam, with the big UH-1s, the
UEs, where you'd be flying nape of the
earth, as they call it.
So flying very low.

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You go, there's a little hill in front
of you.
You pull back on the cyclic, on the
stick.
You pull back.
You go up.
You get to the top of the hill.
You push it forward.
Now, at that point, the helicopter, which typically
is hanging underneath this rotor disc.
Now, that's what the rotor blades create a
disc, and you're hanging underneath it.

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At that point, you have negative g-force.
So these blades, which are intended to flap
up and down, they will actually flap so
far down because of the lack of weight
of the helicopter, negative g, that it can
strike the boom.
They called it mass bumping because typically, on
those you wouldn't necessarily chop off the tail,
you would bump it.

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But in helicopters with this type of dual
blade, semi-articulate rotor head design, it can't
happen.
Robinson's 22-44, notorious for it.
They're also relatively cheap helicopters.
And in my opinion, kind of death traps.
I don't like the 22 at all.

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The Bell is not something that happens very
often.
You'd have to really go back in history
to find a mass bumping where it chopped
off the tail boom.
And there was also no evidence of a
negative g-force.
There was no ascent or descent of the
helicopter from the video I could see.

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So that would mean it would have had
to be in turbulence.
There was no real turbulence reported.
So to me, it looks like this was
some catastrophic failure with the tail rotor assembly
that just, I mean, it looked like, I
mean, it just snapped off almost.
And then once that happens- Chinese parts,

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cheap Chinese parts.
That is something I was thinking of.
These are refurbished helicopters.
That's possible.
It feels like a maintenance issue.
There's this report which did bring up something
else which would be possible.
New video obtained by ABC News showing that
doomed sightseeing helicopter twisting in the air before
breaking apart and dropping out of the sky.

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Federal safety investigators now pouring over the wreckage
and the Army Corps of Engineers helping salvage
pieces still in the water.
And tonight the NTSB is investigating reports of
a large flock of birds in the area
and is appealing to the public for help.
A 17 minute flight ending an unspeakable tragedy
for the family of five from Spain that
was on board.
Augustin Escobar and his wife, Mercy, both executives

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at global tech company Siemens, along with their
three children, ages four, eight and 10.
Today would have been the middle child's ninth
birthday.
The pilot, 36 year old Sean Johnson, a
Navy veteran, posting this video on Facebook two
weeks ago showing himself flying over Manhattan.
The NTSB says he had 788 hours of
flight time but investigators still calculating how much

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time he had spent in that particular helicopter.
The operator, New York Helicopter Tours, has a
good safety record.
It flies hundreds of flights each week.
Yeah, so no view of any bird strike
is possible.
You know, the video was not really clear
enough.
But if you have, if it's mass bumping,
you probably see the aircraft start to rotate

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a little bit more than it did.
And also you probably wouldn't see the entire
gearbox.
I mean, it wasn't just the rotor that
flew off, the whole gear.
Telling you, cheap Chinese parts.
You may be right.
That is the only, it's got to be
a maintenance issue.
I believe this aircraft was refurbished a year

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or like 18 months ago.
It's possible.
You know, it's a bad day.
Let's go meta.
Let's go meta.
All right.
It's not cheap Chinese parts.
It was set up to fail so you
could blame cheap Chinese parts as part of
the negotiation.
Well, why kill a family?
CIA, they didn't like Siemens.

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Don't kill a family.
This is no good.
But you don't care.
They brought that flight with that Russian dude
in it.
They just brought that whole, whatever plane it
was, a Yuliaevich or whatever the hell it
was.
You mean the Russians took down a whole
flight?

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Yeah.
Well, that's the Russians.
Oh yeah.
But counterfeit.
We would never do that.
Counterfeit cheap parts from China.
Yes.
And that would be a good message to
have at this point in this chaotic moment.
It would be a good message to have.
Yeah, it's going to take a bad day.

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It'll take, it will take probably, I'm guessing,
because you just don't bring it right up
as though you have it at your fingertips,
this information.
So there has to be a phony baloney
investigation, which means that they will take about
a week and they'll find cheap Chinese parts
at the maintenance place, which would have been
part of the...

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So once they start looking into the parts
is when they're going to find the cheap
Chinese knockoffs.
Well, we got cheap Chinese parts in our
military equipment.
I mean, we know that for a fact.
So why wouldn't it be this?
Cheap phony bolts, bolts that are not SAE.
Yeah.
What is that, SAE?
That's a certification engine.

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It is a standard for bolts.
You know, they test it.
They take the bolt and then they twist
it until it breaks.
Real bolts made properly will, you know, take
a lot more torque than a cheap phony
bolt.
I will say this is one of...
So I have not flown a helicopter in
over 10 years as a pilot or a

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passenger, because if I don't know who is
maintaining it, I just won't get into it.
Otherwise, I find them to be very safe.
I would say I prefer a fully rigid
rotor head design, which would be your Augusta,
your Sikorsky, or your Enstrom.
For this very reason.

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You know, I just don't like that stuff
flapping around.
But I've flown them.
I've flown a lot of them.
So this is a bad day.
Bad day for the family, of course, but
bad day for aviation.
Everyone's, ugh, ugh, no good.
Don't get in a helicopter.
I'll never get in a helicopter.
Never, ever, ever.
Well, that goes along with all these crazy

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stories coming out of American Airlines.
What's that?
Well, people stripping on the...
You know, having fights on the plane, stripping.
That's in-flight entertainment.
What are you talking about?
That's fun.
People are going nuts.
They are.
There's a lot of...

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What was, um, what was the, um, this
story?
They haven't done this in the past, but
it just seems to be worse.
Have you heard this story?
This morning, newly unsealed court documents allege this
Wisconsin teenager, Nikita Kasap, killed his parents as
part of a larger plot to assassinate the
president and attempt to overthrow the U.S.
government.

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Kasap's mother, Tatiana, and stepfather, Donald Mayer, were
found shot and killed in their Waukesha home
during a welfare check in late February.
The body was, uh, appeared to have been
deceased for some time, was unable to definitively
identify who it was.
Investigators say the 17-year-old Kasap killed
them to obtain the financial means and autonomy

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necessary to carry out his plan.
Officials add they found material on the suspect's
phone related to a neo-Nazi group described
by the FBI as a satanic cult.
They also say they discovered a three-page
document, allegedly written by Kasap, calling for the
start of a revolution to, quote, save the
white race.
The documents allege Kasap paid, at least in

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part, for a drone and explosives and that
other parties knew of Kasap's plan, adding some
even offered advice and assistance.
Kasap was arrested in Kansas after police say
he drove through a stop sign in his
parents' car.
I'm wondering that, you know, some knew of
it, offering assistance.
I wonder if we're going to hear that
FBI might have had this kid on their
radar.

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It's got FBI written all over it.
It is a six-week cycle, period.
Although, man, killing your parents and then hiding
them, stuffing them in the closet until they
decompose, that's pretty deranged.
And then getting caught in Kansas.
I mean, this kid is a lunatic.
Maybe the kid went to Coachella and saw
that Lady Gaga show.
Holy mackerel.

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I said you had stuff there.
Holy mackerel.
I know, she's wearing, she's in the various
sets she used were all satanic, including the
one with the Baphomet hat.
Yeah.
What was she trying?
What is she doing?
Well, she's calling out the dark forces of
Satan, obviously.
For what?

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What does she need the dark forces of
Satan for?
Is her sales down that much?
Does she need more accolades?
I mean, what is she looking for?
Is she trying to get more, another Tony,
Grammy or whatever she wants?
Well, no.
I guess Grammy.
I think this is just, this is the
other part of the deal.
No, you get that.
Is this part of the deal?
She has to do this now?

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And forever?
Well, Madonna's still doing it.
She's doing the same stuff.
And she's starting to look like it too.
She looks like the devil.
She looks like hell.
But I love the Cavalier reporting by the
SFGate tech reporter, Steven Council, who was just
saying, oh, it's great.
And then she went into this, just great

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rendition of that.
And it was great.
And it's so awesome.
SFGate, the entire, the journalists in the San
Francisco Bay Area are oblivious to Satanism.
Do they not see what's going on?
No, they can't see it.
But it was a triumph of artistic teamwork

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and care and of joint catharsis.
Gaga knows the basic truth that concerts are
fun if everyone's dancing.
And that choruses sound excellent when thousands of
voices yell every word, Satan.
That construct, basic hit laden, is in her
wheelhouse 10 times out of 10.
But it wouldn't have been enough.

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She gave Coachella more, and we're lucky to
have seen it.
I am lucky to have seen it.
And did you see the crowd?
They were lunatics.
Coachella, man.
No, Coachella.
Coachella.
At this point, it's just, I mean, it

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was almost a throwback to, you know, five
or, you know, five years ago.
She just brought it back with a vengeance.
Dark forces, very dark.
It's dark, this lady.
Very, very dark.
Yeah.
I mean, I'm not even, I wouldn't call
myself a religious type like you.

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I'm a Jesus freak, I'm not religious.
But I can see it a mile away.
It's like, what does it take a genius
if you're wearing a Baphomet headdress?
I mean, come on.
It's kind of a giveaway, Lady Gaga.
Just a little bit of a giveaway.
Like, holy mackerel.
What are you doing?
It wasn't even close to trying to cover
it up.
It wasn't.
It was just, wow.

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It was, wow.
So let's talk about the chaos for a
second, because I will have to say that
there is some level of, well, actually, let's
go to one of the progenitors of the
chaos meme.
She's in the supercut several times, and she
kept bringing it up during this interview on

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ABC with Jonathan Karl.
These are all the Sunday shows.
Thank you, brother Steve, Steve Jones of the
Jones Cartel, for doing these.
He sends them to me like, you know,
half an hour before show time so I
can just listen to them.
Here she is about the chaos, the tariff
craziness.
We had this exemption on all electronics, and

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he said that the reason is because they're
going to impose new tariffs in the coming
months.
What do you send?
What's going on here?
What's going on?
Look, there is no tariff policy.
Look, look.
It's just all chaos and corruption.
That's all- Hold on.
Do you hear that she's back to the
old meme?

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Chaos and corruption.
Yeah, she went back to chaos and corruption.
Yeah, Liz, this is Chuck.
We already decided we would keep it just
a chaos.
Please don't bring back the chaos and corruption.
It doesn't work.
You're talking too fast for Schumer.
Yeah, well, I'm trying to get back to
the clip.
The tariff policy.

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That's all we have going on.
What's the evidence for corruption, by the way?
What is the corruption part of it?
I don't get it.
And how can you believe any of these
guys?
What did Donald Trump tweet?
Oh, I'm sorry.
It was chaos and confusion.
Oh, chaos and confusion.
Now she's made it even worse.
You know, she is- Freelancing, she's freelancing.

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You have to remember that Elizabeth Warren was
an inch away of almost becoming president when
Hillary was running the first time around.
Because Elizabeth Warren was seen because she was
an up-and-comer.
She was a superstar.
And then she's- I don't know what
happened to her.
She's not even close to being what she

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was then.
She's just an old, crazy old lady.
I know what happened is when she said
to her husband, you want a beer?
That's when everybody went, no, no, no, you're
good.
You stay in your cocoon, Liz.
All right, back to chaos and corruption.
There is no tariff policy.
That's all we have going on.

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And how can you believe any of these
guys?
What did Donald Trump tweet out, all in
caps?
I will not back down.
How many hours was that?
24 hours, 30 hours before he turned around
and backed down.
They talk about an emergency.
They've got a 10% tariff on basically

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every country in the world everywhere.
What's the emergency that we have with Belgium
or the emergency we have with South Korea?
So look, these guys are into chaos and
into corruption.
They're into it.
Like Baphomet, they're into chaos and corruption.

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And this is the reason that it is
time for Congress to step up and to
say under the authority that the president is
currently using by declaring these national emergencies.
No, the law says specifically Congress can just
say there's no national emergency across the board
here and revoke that authority from the president.

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That will mean we can go back to
having actually a real tariff policy.
Congress will have its position in place.
And then we can negotiate where we need
to negotiate.
But we got to stop this craziness.
It's really- It's really a cold day
in hell when Elizabeth Warren and Rand Paul
agree with each other.
Because that's what this is about.

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This is about, we got to take it
back.
Only, and by the way, they're senators.
But okay, the House of Representatives.
Isn't it just the House that has the
power of the purse?
The House is the purse strings, yeah.
But Rand Paul is on this too.
He's like, oh, whatever happens, we got to
stop it here.
Instead of, I don't know, take a risk,

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man.
Help pass the tax cut for everybody.
I understand that you want to effectively repeal,
if I have it right, the 1977 law
that they're using to justify this.
No, no, no.
It's, I just want to use the law.
That's right.
And use the part that says, no, when

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the president declares an emergency, it is then
up to Congress to say, okay, by standing
by.
Or to say, no, there is not the
kind of emergency that you have declared.
I want us to follow the law.
Very rich from someone who always voted yes
for war without actually voting on it.
Just, president says war, let's do it, it's

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fine.
When's the last time we had an actual
resolution to go to war?
Was that- The World War II.
I think that was, I don't think we
had one since.
Okay, so, but that law does not mention
the power to tariff.
And as you heard me also ask the
Secretary of Commerce- Now it kind of
makes sense that they wanted everybody to hear

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the words, no, tariff is a tax, it's
a tax, tariff is a tax, it's a
tax, it's just a tax, it's a tax
on the people, tariff is a tax, it's
a tax on the people.
The Constitution itself makes it clear that the
power to impose duties, tariffs- Duties.
Lies with Congress.
There's also a constitutional challenge here.
Do you think the courts are going to
step in here?

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We don't want that to happen.
The courts may step in here, but we
don't have to wait for the courts to
step in here.
Look- Look, look.
Every Democrat is ready to go- Look.
To push back and take away from the
president the power he's now exercising and the
chaos he's now creating.
The question is whether or not the Republicans

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will join us in this.
There will be a vote in about 15
days, and the Republicans can either decide that
their entire job is to do- She's
hyperventilating.
You know, that's what makes it interesting to
listen to.
Nothing but- You know, another thing is,
where is this chaos?
In her mind, it's in her brain.

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If you just say chaos a lot on
television and it gets through to social media,
then people- Wow, man.
Did you hear about the chaos?
Yeah, I heard about some chaos.
There's a lot of chaos going on.
They're drumming it up.
They're ginning it up.
That their entire job is to do nothing
but bow down to Donald Trump, or the
Republicans in Congress can say that their job

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is to stand up for the American people
and to stand up for the American economy.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, I have one more clip and then
we'll be done with her.
So where do Democrats stand on this fundamental
issue, tariffs good or bad?
Well, I think that- Whoa, hold on
a second.
Trick question.

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The Democrats- You have to- I'm
just- Just a little background for everybody
out there.
Yes.
Traditionally- Yes, they've been all for it.
The Democrats have- The Democrats versus the
Republicans.
The Democrats have always been for heavy duty
tariffs for both economic reasons and protectionist reasons.
The Republicans have traditionally always been dead set

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against all tariffs.
Yes.
And they want free trade.
And so we could dig up clips.
We don't have them handy.
At least I don't have them.
Hillary Clinton, Obama- Hillary Clinton, Schumer.
Bill Clinton, Schumer.
All of them.
All of them.
Obama, the old- Warren Buffett in 2005.

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Everybody's been all for it.
On and on and on about how we
need to tariff, especially China.
So this is a trick question.
And of course, because Trump is now on
the Democrat side of the argument.
Oh, now we got to switch side.
We can't have it.
Yeah.
I love her little pause here.
Here we go.
Well, I think- You shouldn't ask me

(28:06):
that, Carl.
I think Democrats are entirely united.
That Donald Trump's across-the-board tariffs are
bad.
They make no economic sense.
No economic sense.
But that doesn't mean there aren't specific cases
where tariffs make a lot of sense.

(28:27):
If you have a plan in mind, a
goal in mind, tariffs can be a tool
in the economic toolbox.
So she is now on board with the,
okay, tariffs, yes, but I don't like how
he's doing it.
It's chaotic.
But remember the underline here.
And I think you're right to focus on
prices and costs.

(28:49):
What did Donald Trump say on day one?
He said on day one, he would lower
prices.
That's what he ran on.
Once he got elected, his first interview, he
said the reason he won is because he
said on day one, he would lower prices.
He's six weeks in when someone points out
to him that the tariff policy he's pursuing
is likely to raise prices.

(29:10):
Listen to this false argument.
What do you call it?
False equivalency.
The prices of mainly gasoline have come down
dramatically.
Yeah.
A dollar for me, a dollar, it's noticeable.
And even eggs, the egg prices.
Yes.
Why you don't have many stores?
Is that the eggs?

(29:30):
The problem with the eggs prices is they
haven't come down universally.
And so they'll find some place where the
eggs are still expensive.
Believe me, I found the clip.
But so now she's saying, oh, no, but
he said he'll bring prices down.
But what he's doing is going to make
them go up even though prices have come
down.
And he said he couldn't care less.

(29:51):
And that's the problem.
I don't remember him saying that.
He said he couldn't care less.
He couldn't care less.
Couldn't care less.
And that's the problem we've got.
Donald Trump and the Republicans.
So the problem is not tariffs.
It's that he said he couldn't care less.
Are it's like they've taken a five gallon
bucket of paint and just thrown it across

(30:14):
the economy and said there, that'll take care
of everything.
They said Elizabeth Warren, some kind of super
economists that I'm unaware of.
Because she's using such great analogs as a
five gallon of paint thrown across the economy.
This is you're right.
She's very unhinged here.

(30:35):
It's hysterical.
Yeah, we're trying to put tariffs in place
on every country, on virtually every product that
they export to the United States.
And they're trying to do it all at
once with no policy in mind.
So I hear from a small business here
in Massachusetts who says, gosh, I'm a fabricator.

(30:57):
I bring in raw materials from other countries.
I then make my product here in the
United States and export it to other countries.
What's weak about her argument here is if
you're a politician, you just say, you know,
Bill, Bill the Welder, or, you know, she
has no name.
She has no company name.
She has no actual product.

(31:18):
So she's just making it up.
He said what Donald Trump is doing just
completely destroys my business.
I just close up shop.
That's all I can do.
That's just even been in place yet.
But all of a sudden, all of a
sudden it's done.
Yes, exactly.
Doesn't care about costs for families.
Doesn't care about what this does for small
businesses.
He doesn't care.
Instead, he's off trying to make Republicans bend

(31:41):
a knee and say whatever he wants them
to say and trying to get world leaders
to suck up to him.
Congress has the ability to put a stop
to that, and we need to put a
stop to it now.
She's shaking when she says this.
Her whole head is shaking.
She's a wreck.
This bend the knee thing is also getting
annoying.
Oh, I hadn't actually caught that.

(32:02):
Bend the knee.
That's good.
That's good.
You're right.
Bend the knee.
So then what happened?
What I thought was odd is, you know,
so we got a an executive order and
the clarification of this came out two days
ago.
Clarification of exceptions under executive order 14-257

(32:25):
of April 2nd as 2025 as amended.
And it doesn't maybe I don't understand.
There's a lot of legal.
I need the constitutional lawyer.
But it's really about semiconductors.
Now, does an iPhone qualify as semiconductors?

(32:46):
I think the cellular phones were mentioned specifically.
Well, not in what I see.
Well, semiconductors, they got them in there.
I don't know.
My understanding is that computers, cell phones and
semiconductor are all exempt.
This is what I'm so afraid of is

(33:06):
that, you know, that's my understanding, too.
But I can't find any actual verbiage that
says it's about cell phones.
I see semiconductors everywhere, but I don't see
cell phones.
So I'm just curious if this has just
been thrown out there.
Let me see.
No, nobody's arguing against it.

(33:27):
Nobody's saying it's not cell phones.
You're the only one so far.
That's right.
That's right.
I'm arguing against this.
I don't know.
No more.
No, keep them out.
I'm so disappointed.
Get rid of these cell phones.
You're talking about the fact that this is
Kristen Welker, your girl with Peter Navarro.

(33:48):
This was this Peter.
Is Peter Navarro on his way out?
It feels like he's he's been.
Oh, he's definitely on his.
He's he gets more airtime than anybody because
he's crazy.
He says crazy stuff.
No wonder.
Look, you're talking about.
Why stop with the look?
Look, you're talking about the fact that the
White House has a strategy.

(34:08):
The Commerce Secretary, the Treasury Secretary, the president
himself said there would not be exclusions.
And yet just yesterday there were exclusions.
So is there, in fact, a plan or
is the president making this up as he
goes?
So the policy is no exemptions, no exclusions.
The policy is in effect.
There were not exclusions.

(34:29):
Let me explain.
This is really good for the American people.
I understand there's like different ways to go
about getting fairness for the American people.
The IEPA is also used for the trade
deficit.
But there's also a really important thing, Chris,
and this deals with the chips issue you're
talking about.
But that's what we call this.

(34:49):
You know, I've been listening to this guy.
He sounds plastered half the time.
He's always slurring.
And in this case, I heard it again.
They say that it was where I see
this guy.
Yeah, that would explain a lot.
I'm wondering.
All right, I'm sorry.

(35:13):
No, I thought there was a second.
I thought it was a comma.
I'm wondering.
I thought I thought there was something.
Oh, I'm just one.
No, I'm wondering whether he's like an alcoholic.
Oh, thank Chris.
And this deals with the chips issue you're
talking about.
That's what we call the Section 232 issue,
which is when we have a flood of
imports being dumped into certain key strategic sectors.

(35:37):
OK, hold on a second.
I'm reading.
This comes from Lutnick.
And Lutnick said all those products, cell phones,
laptops, et cetera, are going to come under
semiconductors and are going to have a special
focus type of tariff to make sure that
those products get reassured.
So they don't.

(35:57):
It was Lutnick, our commerce secretary, who said
electronic devices.
But it is specifically mentioned as semiconductors.
And now we have to we have to
go and get it.
You know, so, yeah, I guess it has
other stuff in there.
But sure, it's filled with semiconductors.
So anyway, it's just just a point of
note into certain key strategic sectors, steel, aluminum

(36:21):
chips, pharmaceuticals, as we learned during covid, we
have to take specific action.
So what we're doing with chips, a problem,
interestingly, for chips, because it's very complex stuff,
is that we don't buy a lot of
chips like in bags.
We buy them in products.
So what Secretary of Commerce Howard Lutnick is
going to do is doing it as we

(36:43):
speak is an investigation of the chip supply
chain.
The goal is stability and resilience.
And you will see actions taken based on
those investigations on copper.
We've already have steel and aluminum.
We already have autos.
There will be pharmaceuticals and there will be
chips.
And the important thing is there's three kinds.

(37:04):
There's the high end chips, which is the
future.
OK, we've got to get control of that.
And then there's everything else that fuels our
autos and on down.
I will.
It's not chaos, but it's unclear.
I mean, you can say, well, copper, but
there's copper in iPhones.
So, you know, there's chips in washing machines.
So this is a little sketchy.

(37:26):
It's not my washing machine.
No, you're happy if there's a motor on
it.
You don't have to crank it by hand.
Fair enough.
I hear what you're saying on investigation.
But there is currently an exclusion for some
of these products.
You want to call it exclusion?
Potatoes, potatoes.
What it is, well, potatoes, potatoes.
Let's say let's just let's just put it

(37:49):
this way.
Navarro should not be a spokeshole for anything.
If I were the president, I'd be like,
hey, Pete, Pete, baby, come back here.
Sit down.
Be quiet.
You're not good at doing this.
Potatoes, potatoes.
What it is, well, but let's say let's
just here's I think another thing that's really
important when people talk about the chaos or

(38:11):
lack of strength, whatever you just go back
to day one.
I was there when the president signed.
It was the second to last order he
signed.
It was in the old.
You're right.
He does sound a bit slurry there.
I was I was there in the Oval
when the president signed.
I was there with a fifth.
It's the second to last order he signed.
It was in the old world that night.
And it was the American first trade policy

(38:33):
which laid out every single thing we're doing.
And it would be remiss for anybody in
the media not to review that carefully and
see that there's there's rhyme to our reason
and rhythm to what we're doing.
There's rhyme to the reason and the rhythm
to the bang, bang, bang, bang, shoebox, baby.
But now the administration is actually on its
website saying that they're offering refunds for some

(38:55):
of these.
Oh, no, no, no.
It sounds very random to me.
That would be it's random, random chaos.
No, it's also got if you want to
hear, I've got Ro Khanna on this with
Margaret.
Here, let's play this.
Ro Ro Khanna.
In the coming days, you're also going to
go to Connecticut to Yale Law on Tuesday.

(39:17):
Are you trying to sort of troll Vice
President Vance?
And if so, why?
Well, no.
Cleveland City Club invited me to give a
speech on the economy.
And let's talk about these tariffs.
I mean, they were chaotic.
Yes, Ro Khanna.
But what does he got to do with
anything that they'd invite him to give a
speech on the economy?
And he's going to use the word chaos.

(39:38):
I heard that.
OK.
And they were totally haphazard.
So you had Howard Lutnick on saying that
we were going to bring manufacturing back and
electronics manufacturing back to the United States.
And they realized suddenly that that wasn't going
to happen.
Actually, the iPhone price would go up to.
Oh, OK.
So this is spiking the ball.

(40:00):
Hey, boys, remember we said that iPhone was
going to be three and a half thousand
dollars.
Everybody bought it.
They buckled under it.
Seventeen hundred or two thousand dollars.
And by the way, if that manufacturing moved,
it would probably move to Malaysia or Vietnam.
So they suddenly reverse.
They exempt all of electronics manufacturing, which is
about a third of our trade deficit.
And I'm here at the Cleveland City Club

(40:21):
to say, if you want to have electronics
manufacturing here, the way to do it is
not blanket tariffs.
You have to create an electronic manufacturing hub.
The kind we did with the chipsack is
investing in tool engineering and workforce.
It means having investment tax credit.
It means having government buy things from the
United States.
The president has no plan of how to

(40:42):
actually have high end advanced manufacturing in the
United States.
All right.
I think that Lutnick is the bad actor
here.
I think Lutnick said something he shouldn't have.
And he probably said it from pressure because
he is he's a hedge fund guy.
I think he got pressured into saying, I
will.
Maybe he's just in love with his iPhone.
I don't know.
Well, we didn't get a clear answer on

(41:04):
when these semiconductor tariffs are coming, but the
administration argues they're in the pipeline and that,
you know, China is not going to get
a free pass when it comes to tech.
What is that going to mean for your
part of the country?
Well, it's again, they don't have any sense

(41:24):
of when the tariff will come, when it
won't come.
And they're against the chipsack.
So how are you going to let's say
you suddenly put tariffs on China?
What it would mean is the production would
move to other parts of Asia.
It still isn't going to come here unless
you're financing those factories here, willing to buy
here.
Tariffs can be a tool used as a

(41:45):
broader Hamiltonian industrial policy.
And that's what I'm here in Ohio to
talk about, which is what is actually going
to bring advanced manufacturing to this country.
What is the harmonized Hamiltonian?
What is Hamiltonian?
Did Hamilton do tariffs?
I don't know.
I don't remember.
So I'm looking under the definition.

(42:06):
I know Jefferson did, and it caused an
economic collapse.
Let me see.
Semiconductors.
Well, I got some clips.
OK, please.
Well, I'll look up.
Let's start.
I'm still I'm still digging in this.
I got some trade analysis clips, which are
be part of this, which is part about
tariffs, actually.
But let's start with this tariff high tech
reprieve kicker clip.

(42:29):
Seconds.
Here we go.
Apple, NVIDIA and other tech companies landed major
relief in President Trump exempting smartphones and other
electronics from new tariffs.
As NPR's Bobby Allen reports, the tech industry
had been bracing itself for a major shock.
U.S. Customs and Border Protection published tariff
exclusions late Friday that include smartphones, laptops, memory

(42:49):
chips and machines that create semiconductors.
Fear of a sudden spike in the price
of iPhones sent some customers rushing to buy
new devices.
And Apple charted a cargo plane from India
to fly 600 tons of iPhones out to
avoid the new levies.
But Apple and NVIDIA, two of the most
valuable companies in the world, have for now
won a reprieve.
The Trump administration has pushed tech companies to
manufacture more electronics in the U.S. But

(43:11):
executives say the cost of labor, advanced supply
chains abroad, along with hyper-specialized workers would
make moving production to the U.S. in
some cases nearly impossible.
Impossible to do it here because we're a
bunch of dummies.
Our education system is teaching gender studies instead
of electronics engineering.
Let's face reality.

(43:32):
Let's talk about that a little bit.
So they mentioned that in that report, 600
tons of iPhones.
That's quite a lot of iPhones.
Coming out of India.
What are they doing in India?
I don't know.
They made them.
They thought Foxconn made them all in China.
What are they doing?
What's India got to do with it?
What happened to the Foxconn plant in Ohio?

(43:54):
Oh, yeah, that was a rumor.
Yeah, yeah, that was a first go round
of more showing that we can't do anything
anymore because, well, teaching kids gender studies and
turning them and having their nuts chopped off
doesn't really help.

(44:14):
Um, okay, let's go to my now I'm
going to trade analysis.
This is Michael.
Now, this I picked up from from the
Mark Levin show on his TV show on
Fox.
Yes, and he Michael Pillsbury's the China expert
at the Heritage Foundation.

(44:37):
He's quite good.
These clips are and I can and he
goes on.
This is just a part of a longer
talk, but this is good stuff.
Yeah, trade analysis.
I see it.
I'm just looking to make sure I get
the right one.
As I understand it, the Chinese economy is
hurting right now.
And number two, if they actually want to

(44:58):
go toe to toe with the United States
in a tariff war because most of these
other countries want to meet with President Trump
and negotiate some kind of deal, apparently China
does not.
Or at least they want to save face.
They don't want to show that they do.
How's that going to wind up for China?
Well, it's a big risk for China either
way.
If they make concessions and try to get
President Trump off their back, the risk is

(45:20):
their economy will will be even slower in
its growth rate.
And the politics will be that there'll be
challengers to Xi Jinping that he's been too
soft on the Americans and he's a coward.
This has happened before in Chinese history.
The Chinese Communist Party has what they call
the 10 big struggles.
And each time the party chairman was kicked
out, sometimes murdered.

(45:40):
So that's that's one side for Xi Jinping
to be thinking about.
Should I meet President Trump halfway, head off
a trade war?
Or the other choice entirely is be tough.
Do not give anything.
And Xi Jinping has a record of wanting
to tell what he calls the global South,
Mark.
That's like three billion people.

(46:01):
He wants to portray China as an honest
sort of advocate of fairness for the global
South.
That means less money for people like you
and me who live in the global north.
So there's a big incentive to Xi Jinping
to be tough, to do nothing and to
steer things around like he did the first
time this happened.

(46:22):
Back in 2017, he got talk started with
delegations.
In that case, there were 13 rounds, Mark,
13 rounds of negotiations back and forth, back
and forth, one in Beijing, one back in
Washington.
President Trump brought the Chinese negotiator into the
Oval Office in front of the media, tried

(46:42):
to put pressure on him that way.
That agreement was, Mr. Trump said, I agree
with him, was wonderful.
It was great.
It was all time historical agreement between the
two biggest economies.
And the Chinese proceeded to not honor it
in almost any way at all.
Hmm.
Yes, there was his fight.
What I don't have in clip, though, is

(47:04):
he's saying that if you're going to have,
he says Trump's a little wiser this time
around.
He's going to bring in people that don't
trust China, which every time he said it,
it was like I kept thinking of the
clip.
Don't trust China.
Hold on a second.
Here it is.
Donald Trump, don't trust China.
There you go.

(47:24):
That was wise words.
That was our first trade representative.
So here we go with clip two.
So that could be the model for what
we're going to see over the coming year
is Chinese stalling.
That's a key word.
They'll stall us and make the minimum concessions
to prevent really massive tariffs being put on

(47:46):
them and other kinds of punishment and just
try to wait Mr. Trump out.
If these tariffs stay in place, I mean,
we're talking about massive tariffs for a period
of What will that do to China's economy?
Well, it depends on what China's trading partners
do and on the Chinese consumer market.
What Xi Jinping has been up to the
last two or three years is saying we

(48:07):
have to turn inward and have our own
people, our own rising middle class buy our
products and to some degree rely much less
on the Americans or the European Union.
That's the thrust of what Xi Jinping is
doing, and I think you know why.
He's been anticipating this kind of tariff attack
from Mr. Trump.

(48:28):
When I was last in China about a
year ago, I got an earful of how
they're getting ready for Trump.
They're not afraid of him.
They can outlast him for two or three
years and don't believe anything negative about our
Chinese economy.
That's the official Chinese propaganda line.
Our economy is doing fine.
We're going to have 5% growth next
year.
You Americans will be lucky to get 1

(48:49):
.5 or 2%.
So we're going to be double or triple
your American growth rate.
So this is what's been coming out of
China.
That's pretty funny.
Hey, we're going to be double or triple.
Yes, our current growth rate is what?
0.6. So yeah, OK, 1.5 is
triple.
We're going to be double or triple your
American growth rate.
So this is what's been coming out of

(49:10):
China.
Now, is that a lie?
Is that bluster?
Do they just not know?
This is what we're going to have to
find out.
And I'm afraid it's going to be the
hard way, just like in President Trump's first
term.
He's going to have to get the talks
going and get documents down in writing that
say, you know, we will do this.
We will not do that.
Here's a question for you.

(49:32):
Did the initial tariffs that President Trump put
in and President Biden kept in on China,
did that raise the price of iPhones?
I think iPhones stayed the same, didn't they?
Generally speaking, maybe adjusted for a little bit
of inflation.
Well, you have to base it on the
margin.

(49:52):
It looks like the margin didn't change much.
OK, so that and that was what that
was.
What was it?
Do you know the tariff rate?
20 percent?
I don't know.
It wasn't 145.
That's for sure.
No, no, it wasn't.

(50:12):
OK, we continue.
The final agreement last time, the January 2020
agreement, Mark, that was 90 pages long with
annexes and definitions of things.
So I hate to see that go through,
happen again.
I'd much rather see President Trump escalate and
really have a superpower showdown between China and

(50:33):
ourselves so we don't get stalled for for
two or three more years and then have
an agreement that's not honored.
30 percent on solar panels in 2018.
But it looks like there was two rounds
of 10 percent.
iPhones didn't go up 20 percent.

(50:53):
This is bullcrap.
And by the way, I thank you for
these clips.
I have taken the moment to take a
look.
There is no specific mention of electronics or
iPhones.
That's all Lutnick.
So the interpretation of semiconductors is quite broad,
according to Howard Lutnick.
I think he's just throwing that out there.

(51:14):
I don't think that's actually true.
If he's just throwing it out, that means
they're going to collect tariffs.
I don't think they're going to collect the
tariffs.
And there's a lot of reports now that
I collected half the tariffs anyway.
Well, there was a computer glitch the first
day.
The first 10 hours of shipments that came
in, they didn't calculate it.

(51:35):
There was no tariff calculation at all.
Good work, everybody.
By the way, a short review.
I got my Light Phone 3 in, just
speaking of expensive phones.
How much, what do you mean by expensive?
Well, this is $500.
I thought it's quite expensive.
That is, pretty pricey.

(51:56):
But if you want a solid phone that
is small, has a long-lasting battery life,
that does only the basics, and by basics,
I mean phone, text, calendar, camera, alarm, pictures,
calculator, podcasts, directions, hotspot, and music, this is

(52:21):
a great device.
Great for the kids, I would say.
Better than some wonky iPhone.
There's no internet, no browser, no apps.
And John, the screen is gorgeous.
It's just...
Is it O-L-E-D?
It is, yes.
It's gorgeous.
So it has that paper, kind of digital

(52:42):
paper, O-L-E-D.
But when you receive or you take a
picture or you send or receive one through
text message, it's gorgeous.
It's just gorgeous.
I'm doing my best Tim Cook.
It's gorgeous.
It's just so gorgeous.
Great phone.
This has replaced my flip phone.
Really, really quite outstanding.

(53:02):
You and Leo are always into the phone
thing.
No, but I'm into cheap phones and cheap
cheddar.
$500 is not a cheap phone.
It's not cheap, but it's a lot cheaper
than anything.
Well, for what it is, if I had
a kid and I'm sending him to school,
I'd give my kid this phone.
It's durable.
It does a lot of things.

(53:22):
It doesn't do any of the things.
The problem with what you just said is
that the kids waste their time in school
messaging, and that thing messages.
So what's the difference?
Yeah, they won't be on the browser, maybe.
They won't be doom scrolling.
Okay, the one advantage is they won't be
doom scrolling TikTok.

(53:43):
Yeah, or using Snapchat.
But they'll be texting and checking their email.
No, you can't check your email on it.
No, well, that's a plus.
No email.
No, you can't check your email.
You can only text.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
I'm just saying it's gorgeous.
It's absolutely gorgeous.
Yeah, you said that.
You like saying that.

(54:03):
I don't know why you're doing it.
I don't know why you're not interested in
a beautiful piece of technology.
You used to be like a tech guy.
You say, give me that phone.
Let me change it to Korean.
I mean, you know.
Can you do that?
Yes, of course.
No, then I'd do that.
That would be good.
Yeah.
Actually, Russian's a good one.

(54:23):
Anything.
Chinese is great.
Chinese is the best.
It's the best.
Yeah, because you'll never figure out how to
get out of that.
Okay, let's stay on the tariffs.
But let's go to the EU.
Well, no, before we go to the EU,
this is one that has kind of an
Ask John in it.
This is the CEO of the big beer

(54:46):
conglomerate who make Corona and Modelo and all
those Mexican beers.
He has a complaint, and I have a
question about his complaint.
The company has spent billions the past few
years building up their production capacity in Mexico.
I believe you'll spend another, what, $2 billion
building out a plant in Veracruz over the
next 12 months.

(55:06):
I think this administration would say, Bill, why
didn't Bill Nuland invest those billions in the
U.S. in making beer?
Can you build a beer-making plant in
the U.S. and make profitable beer doing
so?
I think there's a couple of things, Brian,
you have to keep in mind.
First of all, while we're an American company,
we're invested in Mexico because we are selling
authentic Mexican brands.

(55:27):
These are not brands in the same way
that you're not making champagne in the United
States, or you're not making tequila in the
United States, or you're not making New Zealand
Sauvignon Blanc in the United States.
We're not going to be making Mexican beer
in the United States.
Is that a fair comparison between champagne?
I mean, is there something special about the
ingredients in Mexico that this is why Corona

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has to be made in Mexico?
No.
There's nothing special about the ingredients at all.
It just happens to be made in Mexico.
You can't sell Mexican beer made in Palo
Alto.
It has Mexican beer.
We could call it Corona.
You could call it that, but then it
would have to be made in Palo Alto.

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This was just technical.
Right.
Because champagne, you actually have to have...
That's a law.
That's by law.
You can make a champagne clone, and they
do very...
For example, in Brazil, they do it here
too, sparkling California wines.
It used to be called champagne.
You used to sell California sparkling wines as

(56:32):
champagne, as we say, California champagne.
Yeah, then the French got all tested.
The French, no, they weren't putting up with
that.
For good reason.
That was an international standard that was agreed
upon.
It's the grapes from that region, just like
the agave.
I don't think agave...
No, the grapes from that region, the champagne
can be duplicated.

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Although you can say, well, there's chalky soil.
You can duplicate.
I've had champagne wine, style wine, made with
the method Champanoise, the way they call it.
They made in Brazil.
That is the closest thing I've ever had
to taste exactly like champagne.
Yeah, they just can't call it champagne.

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I guess what I was saying is there's
nothing special about...
There's no law that says you can't make
Corona in America and just call it Corona.
Yeah, you can't say...
You could say it's Mexican beer by concept.
You should be able to make the exact
same...
You should be able to make it a
duplicate.
You should be able to make a copy
of Corona beer in Palo Alto that tastes

(57:38):
exactly like the same Corona, which smells a
little bit like pee.
I was going to say, the guy is...
But he's equating...
By the way, you know that...
Here's the story.
They always said, oh, the Mexicans are peeing
in it.
That was the reason it would smell like
pee.
But I was at a Safeway or Lucky's,

(57:59):
one of these big grocery stores.
They had a big pile of Corona that
somebody had knocked over the whole thing.
And so there was like, I'd say, 50
broken bottles of Corona on the floor.
They were mopping up.
And it smelled just like a pee, like
you're in a outhouse.

(58:19):
It just smelled terrible.
It's a terrible smelling beer.
Well, this is a tremendous opportunity.
We have a lot of beer makers in
America.
We have a lot of beer makers in
our audience.
I think we should start making a new
brand.
Corona made in Palo Alto.
It doesn't seem to be hard to make.

(58:41):
It shouldn't be.
I mean, you have to know what you're
doing.
Making beers.
We had a guy whose name was Brewer
at Amevio, who was a beer maker.
I thought his name was...
He had to become a...
I think he became one.
He's working somewhere.
But his beers were...
I know a lot of people that make

(59:02):
homemade beer.
And it's just, it's not as easy.
I mean, sometimes there's always a guy out
there that seems to be able to have
the touch, but there's still some magic to
it.
It's amazing.
We had No Agenda beer at one point.
Do you remember that?
Yes, it was out of New Zealand.
It was good too.
It was very good.
I don't know what happened to those guys.

(59:23):
They visited here.
I met with them.
Yes, yes.
They were...
They brought a bunch of weird No Agenda
beer, and they had some other beers that
had ITM and stuff written on them.
33s.
I heard us say something, I guess, against
New Zealand, whatever the hell her name is.
And they went away.
Although noagendabeer.com still forwards to noagendashow.net.

(59:45):
How about that?
So that's still alive.
That's still alive.
Okay.
Well, thank you for explaining that.
And the...
There wasn't much to it.
Méthode Champanoise.
But here's what our European Union allies are
doing.
The traitors.
The European Union has temporarily paused its counter
-tariffs against the United States to further pursue

(01:00:06):
talks with Donald Trump's administration on how to
resolve what was shaping up to be an
all-out trade war.
According to the president of the EU Commission,
Ursula von der Leyen, the suspension will remain
in place for at least 90 days.
The counter-tariffs imposed in reaction to Trump's
duties on steel and aluminium were approved on
Wednesday by member states, targeting almost 21 billion

(01:00:29):
euros in American products.
The first raft, worth 3.9 billion euros,
was scheduled to go into effect on the
15th of April before the change.
The EU bloc had initially been hit by
a 20% rate under Trump's sweeping tariffs,
shocking Brussels and other capitals.
The EU Commission, which has exclusive competence to

(01:00:49):
determine the commercial policy for the 27-member
bloc, has been trying to figure out how
to respond to Washington's trade tariffs.

(01:01:26):
Uh, opportunity knocks.
Just because we're talking about, yeah, yeah, phones
and everything.
Recall our hollow book idea.
Yeah.
The hollow book idea is, the cover of
the book, you help me out here, the
book would say, I'm paraphrasing, this book will
help you get off of your smartphone addiction.

(01:01:49):
We need a snappier title, but did we
have, did we have, a snappy title for
that?
We don't have a snappy title, no.
So, uh, at church this morning, uh, one
of the singers came up to me and
said, I was listening to your show.
I like that.
And she said, Hobby Lobby has a $7
hollow book ready for, ready for a, uh,

(01:02:11):
just a cover.
You put a jacket on that thing.
Boom.
Good to go.
Hollow book.
Just seven bucks is too high.
Ah, you could sell this book with a
cover on it for 25 bucks.
You're just making up reasons to not do
this.
No.
I love this idea.
Yeah, you do.
And your phone goes.

(01:02:32):
And so all we have to do is
print up the cover.
Why is that too high?
People will buy a premium product from the
Noah Jenner show.
And what is really the premium part is
our cover.
That's really what it's about.
It's, you still put your cell phone in
there.
Well, let's design a cover and we'll have
a competition.
Wow.
The enthusiasm you are exuding is just beyond
belief.
I'm excited about this idea.

(01:02:53):
Yeah, I know you are, but you're the
one that still uses a phone.
I have one in the drawer.
I'll put mine in the book.
You make it, I'll put it in the
book.
I'm, I think you're, you're underestimating the addictive
nature.
Yeah, I think we can sell a few
gimmick books.
I'm not saying you can't.
You said earlier that this could sell like

(01:03:14):
20,000 units is what you said.
20,000, I readjusted my thinking to a
thousand, maybe.
And it's only still as a gimmick, as
a Christmas gift, a goof.
Because nobody, the more we play these clips
and the more I listen to you go
on about a $500 phone that does text.

(01:03:35):
I'm thinking that you can't, this is done.
It's over.
The society is ruined by these things.
And then you're not going to, it's wishful
thinking on your part.
Putting the kill in buzzkill, ladies and gentlemen.
I would give up my phone for this,
for this.
No, you wouldn't.
Yes, I would.
I don't care about the phone.
Look, just because you're so awesome, I've got

(01:03:56):
the phone in the drawer.
Okay.
I'm not saying I'm awesome.
I'm a, I am an outlier.
Yes.
Minimum.
Yes.
That's my point.
This is a real, there's a real crisis
of people using these smartphones.
And, and this book will be great.
People can put it in there and they
will think of us and they will, uh,

(01:04:16):
and they will stop using their phone and,
and, and a thousand years.
That's it.
That's what it takes.
That's all it takes to stop using your
phone.
Listen, it's a great idea.
It's a fun gift.
I think it's got legs.
We have another, another guy sent us another
company that looks promising.

(01:04:37):
That can make the whole thing.
Oh yeah.
If someone has to make the whole package,
you'll never do it.
Think about the microphone company, how well we'd
be doing with that.
Yeah.
We'd be broke right now because of the
tariffs.
No, I saw, I saw that coming.
We would, we would have had our whole
shipment in.
We would have had a warehouse full of

(01:04:58):
Curry one microphones and tons of potential.
Don't worry.
We'll get that done.
That'll be done.
Yeah.
Four more years.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
What else we got?
Well, there's a lot of stuff going on.
I have a lot of Tik TOK clips.
Oh, please.
I can't handle it.
I wanted to play one of them right
off the bat.

(01:05:18):
The rest of them we can, we'd do
later.
Thank God.
But, but since this came up kind of
in the conversation, what is this?
Play this April 20th Tik TOK clip.
If Trump declares martial law on April 20th,
which is the rumor, we're in deep doo
doo.
I'm terrified.
This is absolutely terrifying as a woman, as

(01:05:38):
an American.
Is this the handmaid's tale?
This martial law would surpass all police.
How terrifying?
Like what, what do I need to do
as a woman to prepare?
Help me help me help others.

(01:05:59):
I'm so freaking nervous.
I hate him.
I hate the orange clown.
Wow.
So this is a, a follow on to
the delusional Dem I had on the last
show.
Yeah.
Who said that there was a president Trump
is going to declare martial law on April
20th.
Yeah.
420 Easter.
Yeah.

(01:06:19):
Yeah.
That makes nothing but sense.
You're going to declare martial law on Easter
Sunday.
I don't think so.
And for some reason, this is going to
create a handmaid's tale situation.
I don't know what it's creating.
This is one of many of these clips.
I didn't collect a bunch of them.
I got that one, but you had one.
That's why I didn't, you know, you'd be,

(01:06:39):
well, where is this rumor coming from?
And why is it becoming popular?
Well, it's like a quantum dots.
Grid going down, going down.
It's exactly the same coming from people who
don't have a hollow book to put their
phone in.
And that's where this is coming from.
I have a follow on clip though.

(01:07:00):
Speaking of handmaid's tale.
Tonight, this message is gaining steam.
So let me say very simply, I want
more babies in the United States of America.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're going to be the handmaid's tale.
We're going to make you have babies, making
the baby machines.
Well, it's led to what's called the pro

(01:07:21):
-natalist movement.
Pro-natalist.
And it's getting more popular because of messages
from Vice President Vance and Elon Musk, who
of course has at least 13 children with
multiple women.
CNN's Nina Durstin is out front at the
- No, no, he has a new one.
He's got a new one.
I don't think that one's real.
It's a fake baby.
With multiple women.

(01:07:42):
CNN's Nina Durstin is out front at the
2025 Natal Conference.
Because yes, there is a conference.
There's a conference.
Raise your hand if you are a mom
or a dad in the room here tonight.
This is the war for civilization and we
are going to win it one life at
a time.

(01:08:02):
We're here at NatalCon, which is a gathering
of about 200 people from all over the
world who have come here because they all
feel very strongly that the world needs more
babies.
There's a civilizational catastrophe coming and the way
to solve it is to have sex.
That's got to be the easiest pitch in
history.
Birth rates around the world are plummeting and
they think this is the issue of our

(01:08:22):
time.
It's a massive conversation and that's why we're
here.
We need to encourage more people to get
married and have kids.
We need those people to be the people
of the future.
Many countries are no longer having enough kids
to replace their populations.
Some experts predict this will cause labor shortages
and inflation, permanently changing the economy.

(01:08:44):
The people most passionate about this call themselves
pronatalists.
Pronatalists.
So we had a table conversation over at
dinner.
And J.C. claims he's got some documentation
for this and I think he does.
It seems as though when we went to
a negative birth rate, and it may be
a socialist thing that's taken place, and it

(01:09:07):
goes right back to Hollywood.
When TV shows had kids on the TV
shows and there was kids around and family
shows that showed a lot of children to
the public, we had a higher birth rate.
The TV, yes, no doubt.
I mean, it makes sense as soon as

(01:09:27):
you say it.
It sounds, oh, yeah, that makes sense because
you're seeing examples.
You know, you had your Ozzie and Harriet.
You had your Father Knows Best.
You had the Donna Reacher.
You had all these shows.
The Brady Bunch.
Very good example.
So you had all these shows with kids
and, you know, the humor that kids provide.

(01:09:48):
And it's good television.
And that's very slowly evolved into no kids
on any shows.
And you remember we had America's Funniest Home
Videos kids?
Right.
I think a lot of people, oh, look
at those cute kids doing stupid, funny stuff.
I want one of those.
But no, no.
Instead, we got Modern Family.

(01:10:10):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Run by that guy Zucker, one of the
producers of that show, the major, major, major
Trump hater.
And anti-American.
I think the anti-Americanism is stemming right
out of Hollywood.
Sure.
And it's trying to kill the culture.
Let's just say no more kids.
Let's just let us all die off.

(01:10:31):
And that'll be the end of it.
And we'll be all good to go.
Yeah.
Yay.
Woo.
That sounds groovy.
So it wouldn't take that much to crank
it up, crank the key.
You don't have these bull crap.
You have to have the vice president telling
people to have kids.
Nobody's going to listen to that.
But if they saw it, you have to
see it.

(01:10:53):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, but Hollywood isn't even Hollywood anymore.
I mean, the people are watching the movies
on Netflix.
And from what I can tell, it's all
either outer space or Marvel.
Armageddon.
Yeah.
A lot of Armageddon, the end of the

(01:11:14):
world stuff.
Yeah.
No, it's creating.
That's the problem.
The culture generation that goes on from the
Hollywood.
I'm just using Hollywood as a generic term
because you're right.
There's no Hollywood anymore.
No.
But that process is ruining the country.

(01:11:34):
Yeah, we should be shot.
Where's Shirley Temple?
We need a new Shirley Temple.
We need guys like Brunetti actually doing some
work again.
Oh, please.
No, he got his money.
He's like, I got my money.
I got my cyber truck.
I love my truck.
I got my truck and I love what
I do.
I got my fire truck.
I'll be sitting there waiting for Scaramunga to

(01:11:57):
create a whole movie with AI.
Brunetti should be ashamed of himself.
He took the best of this country.
This country gave him enormous opportunity, enabled him
to make incredible amounts of money off of
the House of Cards and Fifty Shades of
Gray.

(01:12:18):
How about Fifty Kids from Dorian Gray?
I mean, just do something.
Do something to help America.
Fifty Kids of Dorian Gray.
I'm just trying to come up with something.
Yeah, you can go.
Yeah, thanks.
Sorry.
No, it's actually, it's despicable.
It really is.

(01:12:39):
I'll take his side because he says it's
not possible because he says it's gone so
far left you can't get a word in
edgewise.
You can't do it.
If you're a conservative producer in Hollywood, you
just can't get it done.
There is an incredible surge.

(01:12:59):
Oh, never mind.
Sorry I brought it up.
You know where it's coming from.
There is a surge in Christian movies, feel
-good movies.
Yeah, do they involve a lot of kids?
Yeah, absolutely.
I've tried to watch one of these movies.
It's just a bunch of, you know.
No, it involves slavery and it's just horrible

(01:13:24):
material.
That's from Hollywood, but you need to look
at Pure Flix.
Get Pure Flix on your smart TV.
It's nothing but happy-go-lucky movies.
Marky Mark is making movies with his kids.
It's great.
It's got to go into pop culture.
It's got to get on the television.
But there is no pop culture anymore.

(01:13:46):
That's the problem.
The numbers are still there.
10 million people watch a show on TV.
It's over unless these guys get on board
and they're not going to get on board
because they've all become communists.
Well, okay.
Two more years, everybody.
It's all over.

(01:14:06):
We're done.
We're toast.
We're cooked.
Not quite as bad.
Oh, by the way, let me see.
What should we do here?
I got a number of funny things.
Well, here's a good start.
I thought this was a very good start.
Where is it here?
Of changing the culture.
And where is it?

(01:14:28):
Here we go.
This is a Gale King.
Gale King.
We all know Gale King.
Oprah's best being launched into space.
Yes, it's a good start.
And by the way, she is scared to
death.
She's the only one that has trepidation about
this trip.
We're talking about this, the dinner table, too.
We think this is just a, this is

(01:14:50):
a kill shot.
In Blue Origin's training capsule, CBS's Gale King
got a sense of tomorrow's thrill ride.
A trip 62 miles straight up to the
edge of space.
And I realize this is so much bigger
than just a fun trip.
What it represents to young women, to girls,
what they're trying to do on space in
terms of, you know, looking at the planet

(01:15:10):
in another way.
Space tourism, civilian astronauts took off four years
ago.
Three space companies, Blue Origin, Virgin Galactic and
SpaceX, have rocketed more than 120 people into
space, including billionaire Jeff Bezos, Blue Origin's founder
in 2021.

(01:15:31):
Did this moment motivate you to push deeper
into the cosmos?
Hell yes.
Yes, absolutely, no doubt.
We have to build a road to space.
There's several tourism missions about practicing.
What are we doing?
We're going to space.
We're going to space.
Bezos' fiance, Lauren Sanchez, put together Monday's all

(01:15:52):
-female crew.
Six accomplished women, including King, pop star Katy
Perry, two scientists and a filmmaker.
A good start.
Their 11-minute round-trip adventure will include
roughly three minutes of weightlessness, floating in the
capsule, looking out a window onto the world
below.
CBS News space analyst Bill Harwood.

(01:16:12):
It's something we all marvel at, but I
think getting from there to the point where
the average person can do this is decades
away, if not longer.
Liftoff will happen here in West Texas from
a launch pad on a mammoth ranch owned
by Jeff Bezos.
Gayle admits she's both excited and terrified.
Now, the odds are, they've had 150 of

(01:16:36):
these launches.
One of these has to go wrong with
some celebrities.
And I don't wish no ill on anybody.
No, I don't wish ill on anybody, but
Katy Perry's probably one of them.
We were talking about Satanism earlier.
How is this a big deal?
Didn't we land on the moon in 1969
when I was five years old?

(01:16:57):
How is this a big deal?
Gayle King's going up in space, going to
be weightless for three minutes.
It's just going to go up and down.
It's just an up and down thing.
I mean, what's overlooked is nobody wants to
talk about, or I don't know why they
haven't talked about it, but SpaceX took a
bunch of amateurs and sent them over the
North and South Poles and four complete orbits
around the planet to do actual work up

(01:17:20):
there and landed safely.
Hello, it's Elon.
Hello, did he have Gayle King?
Instead, we're going to talk about the blue
rocket, which is a big deal though.
He didn't have Katy Perry.
Regarding Killshot, I mean, if I was conspiratorial
in nature, I'd think Bezos is like, hey,

(01:17:40):
Sanchez, we've had a good run, baby.
Get on this rocket.
Get on this rocket, honey.
I know, that's what everybody's thinking.
You know, it's a horrible thought.
It's not like a morbid thought on your
part or mine.
I'm not the only one thinking this.
Everybody is thinking this.
All right, I'm not the only one thinking
this, okay.
I don't, everyone at the dinner table, everybody

(01:18:03):
was over on Friday.
Oh, celebrating your birthday two weeks late?
Yes.
That's still coming.
And so that came up in the conversation
and everybody felt the same way, that this
is the Killshot.
Get rid of Sanchez.
I mean, it's a sick thought.
What's wrong with the public today?

(01:18:24):
It's very sad.
We're a very cynical group of people, the
public in general.
Yes.
You know why?
It's because they don't have a book to
put their cell phone in.
That is the problem right there.
They need a book.
Oh, hey, Friday, I saw the oil baron.
Oh, yes.
What's he had to say?
Well, first of all, you know, I get

(01:18:44):
a lot of emails.
Oh, the oil baron was right.
You know, oil is down.
Everyone's pissed off.
So his partners in the business and people
he knows, they're all like, I never should
have voted for Trump.
Like, did they not hear him say, drill,
baby, drill, which they knew they weren't going
to do?

(01:19:05):
You know, didn't he understand when President Trump
said, I'm going to bring down energy costs?
Do they think that wouldn't be them?
So they voted for him knowing that he
said that.
Now they're bitching.
Big time.
They literally like, I can't believe this guy's
no good.
I never would have voted for him.
OK.

(01:19:25):
And it's true.
Democrat presidents are always better for the oil
business.
So I said, where are you at, brother?
First, I said, would you like a sandwich?
Because I know you're so broke.
Would you like a sandwich, oil baron?
I know you're so broke.
So what do you think the number is,
the bottom line number they can go per

(01:19:46):
barrel?
Because I have the number.
How low they can go before they start
losing money?
Is that what the question is?
Yes, that's the question.
Go.
Well, in Saudi Arabia, I know the number
to be $25 a barrel.
The American number, I'm guessing, is 45.
Bam, on the money.

(01:20:06):
Now, he says $45 we can do, but
that's because he says we're hedged at 80%.
He says if that happens, there's a whole
bunch of other oil companies that will go
under because they're hedged at under 50%.
But he said, but that'll be great because
we can buy them on the cheap.
And he did say again, he says, we're

(01:20:27):
pumping out less oil per these wells, but
we're real heavy on gas.
So there's a lot of gas coming out.
It's all fracking.
It's all Permian Basin.
He says there's a lot of gas coming
out.
So the one thing they really, really want
from the president is transportation.
They want pipelines.
They want pipelines to send this stuff out
to the port.
They want the LNG stuff to be ramped

(01:20:50):
up.
He said, we can get that.
We'll be really happy.
And that makes sense.
I mean, we need the natural gas is
super abundant and cheap, and we can use
it for all kinds of groovy stuff.
Yeah, use it to run power plants.
Yes, just as an example.
Speaking of, this was great.

(01:21:13):
France 24 discussed a very big report that
has been done now about AI and claims
that is accelerating climate change.
One concern around artificial intelligence is its voracious
appetite for energy.
Electricity demand for AI focused data centers will
quadruple in the next five years, at least

(01:21:33):
according to a report from the International Energy
Agency.
But the report also calls claims that AI
is accelerating climate change overstated.
Tech editor Peter O'Brien has been looking
through all of this.
Now, there's still quite a bit of uncertainty
then about the future of energy and AI.
Yeah, that's right, Erin.
I've been looking through this chunk here.
And basically, the takeaway is that, yes, energy

(01:21:56):
demand from AI is obviously going to increase
significantly as we continue to use it.
But there are uncertainties, particularly around emissions.
Is AI going to devour so much oil,
well, rather gas and coal that it's disastrous
for our planet?
Is it going to actually increase efficiencies and

(01:22:17):
spur innovations that allow us to reduce emissions?
Or is it going to fall somewhere in
between?
And who better to talk about it than
Thomas Spencer, who co-wrote the report.
Thanks for being here on Tech 24.
And why do you think it was so
important to bring quite, you know, close to
the front of the report that these claims
that AI is accelerating climate change could be
overstated?

(01:22:38):
Well, in the public debate, you see two
positions being taken, and they're quite different.
The first one is that AI, because of
the technology innovation that it can bring, can,
you know, in simple terms, solve climate change.
And the second is a more alarmist position
that AI, because of the acceleration in energy

(01:22:58):
consumption, is going to dramatically accelerate climate change.
Due to climate change.
So I got a hold of this whole
report.
I take a look at it.
I have a conclusion here.
This is an 11 minute report.
I have a 37 second conclusion.
What word was not in the report?
What word was not in the report?

(01:23:20):
I have no idea.
Nuclear.
Not in the report.
And when we looked very carefully at the
data, when we looked at the numbers, when
we did our analysis, we found that neither
position was really justified.
What is important is that AI is a
tool like any other tool.
It's up to us how we use it.

(01:23:40):
It can help us on many climate problems.
For example, integrating more renewables into our electricity
systems.
OK, so AI is going to help us
with climate change by integrating more renewables into
our systems, huh?
But at the same time, we need to
manage the electricity consumption growth that we are
already seeing today.
And so we wanted just to, let's say,

(01:24:01):
do a bit of myth busting with regard
to these two diametrically opposed viewpoints that you
hear in the public debate.
There's no conclusion.
The whole thing is stupid.
But it does give me the opportunity.
It does give me the opportunity.
I believe that, yeah.
To ask you why you had not responded
to my annual artificial intelligence test.

(01:24:23):
I sent you an email about it.
Yes, I sent you an email about it.
I didn't see it.
I, so you remember the Manus.im agentic
AI that I was testing?
Oh, yeah.
No, I did see that email.
So let me.
I took a look at it.
Let me, let me, let me set it
up.
Let me set it up.
So I asked Manus.im, please find for

(01:24:46):
me.
This is the, this is the Turing test
of artificial intelligence.
It is developed by John C.
Dvorak.
It is the AI Turing test.
Um, the modern AI Turing test said, please
compile and determine for John C.
Dvorak, known columnist, host of the co-host
of the No Agenda podcast, a known technology

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expert.
Please compile and determine the best weed whacker
available on the market today.
Yeah.
And it made a nice little website for
you.
I saw all of that.
Yeah.
What did you think?
Come up with the right answer?
I have no, no clue.
I don't believe it.

(01:25:29):
You don't believe it.
Hmm.
I thought it was, you know what I
thought?
Because it said the ego power plus power
load with line IQ ST1623T.
That was the best one.
Conclusion, yeah.
And, but I liked, I think what, this
is what AI constantly does is it packages

(01:25:49):
this in a parlor trick because I just
asked for the best weed whacker.
I'm going to put this in the troll
room so they can take a look at
it.
Yeah, you should.
And it created an entire website with an
introduction, research methodology.
No, it's parlor tricks.
It's like a little kid who's, you know,
knows this one thing and he has to

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tell everybody.
And it said the best weed whacker of
2025, a comprehensive analysis that even John C.
Dvorak would approve.
Well, you didn't.
You did not approve it.
I didn't.
You're right.
And why not?
Did you just think it?
So it lied.
Do you think it was no, did you
not like the side-by-side analysis and
its determination?
No, I didn't.
I haven't given it a good, what it

(01:26:32):
is, is I have not sat down and
actually, I saw this, this monstrosity that you
created.
I saw it.
I didn't create it.
You have to be in the mood to
even approach this thing.
By the way, it took one hour and
12 minutes for this.

(01:26:52):
Yeah, I saw that part.
I did see you noted.
I'm thinking, why did it take so long?
And $10 in credits.
And what did you have to pay for
it?
It's credits because this is what AI costs.
And telling you this, you can even watch
the screens as it starts up web browsers
and you can watch it go and it's

(01:27:13):
scanning all these things.
It's doing all these searches.
This is a completely ridiculous use of the
so-called artificial intelligence because nobody is going
to be happy with this.
Nobody who just wants to know what the
best weed whacker is, is going to wait
an hour and 12 minutes for the thing
to finish and pay almost $10 to get

(01:27:35):
this website out of it.
That is not a consumer product.
I just, I don't believe people are going
to be all super wowed.
I like it.
It's cool.
Not for 10 bucks, it's not.
I didn't need the website, but it did
that for me.
Probably just to jack up the cost.

(01:27:57):
Yeah, it's padding its bill.
Yes, it's padding the bill.
Yes.
Well, it says that's the definitive choice.
It may be true, but I don't know.
Yeah, it might be.
I don't know.
I just thought, wow, is that what, is
that the hype about agentic AI?
I'll wait for quantum.

(01:28:17):
Boy, you'll be waiting forever.
Well, okay.
I mean, I find it useful.
I use it for background searches.
I tell people to, and there's two or
three of these systems.
They all work pretty well.
You have to double check them because they
get carried away and they're all verbose, which
is the real annoying part about it.

(01:28:37):
They can't seem to get out of that
mode.
But I think it's still a replacement for
Google.
I love the trolls.
Like, hey, they're already looking at the source
code.
Hey, there's Chinese in the JavaScript.
I know those guys.
Who knows what they're doing?
Who knows?
Probably injected something into my browser.

(01:28:59):
Wouldn't surprise me.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Run Spy Hunter 5.
But you will admit that if you really
had to pay for the compute, the compute
that it's using, you wouldn't use it for
handy background searches.
No, every time you turn it around, you
got to drop $10.
Forget it.
And take an hour and 12 minutes.
And now, you know, Google, they're starting to

(01:29:22):
show their AI results and they're embedding that
more and more.
So they're no good.
But it's even worse because people who count
on SEO for Google juice to their websites,
when you get the answers, it has links,
but it just has links to more stuff.
Inside Google, it doesn't give you an answer.
And they bring you right back to Google
with more search results.

(01:29:44):
It's putting another barrier in between people who
want their website found through Google and them
finding it.
That's ruining a lot of stuff.
Yeah, SEO is going to be a real
challenge in the next few years.
Yes, yes.
It's not even going to be important per

(01:30:05):
se.
It's going to have to be AI optimizations
somehow.
I don't know how you managed to do
that.
It's all so lame.
What it does really great is it does
bad country songs.
Please don't send end of show mixes that
you made with AI.
Please, please don't.
It's so hard.

(01:30:26):
Look, I made this great English shit.
Yeah, you wrote some cool lyrics.
I agree, but it's just so bland.
I was listening to, what's his name?
Douglas Rushkoff, who's that guy?
The old Silicon Valley hippie guy who writes
about the humans versus the tech titans.

(01:30:46):
Yeah.
What's his name again?
Douglas Rushkoff.
I don't know, Rushkoff.
I can't remember his last name.
Do you know him?
No, never met him.
Well, then it doesn't matter.
This is a story about Millet from Argentina
who surprisingly, I wasn't expecting him to see

(01:31:08):
him do this.
He made a deal with the IMF.
I thought he was against all that.
Yeah, he's also doing deals with China.
Well, I had a thought when I heard
this report, and let's see if you can
get into this thought with me.
The Libertarian government of Argentine President Javier Millet
announced- Libertarian?
I know, Libertarian.
Isn't that interesting?

(01:31:28):
How come it's not far right?
Because they buckled.
They're going for the IMF.
Who is this report from?
This is from France Vincatra.
By the way- I thought it should
be far right.
Libertarian taking a bailout from the IMF?
I don't think so.
Yeah, it doesn't make sense.
Huh?
No, it doesn't make sense.

(01:31:48):
No, it doesn't make sense.
The Libertarian government of Argentine President Javier Millet
announced on Friday that it plans to lift
most of the country's strict capital and currency
controls.
The high-stakes gamble has been made possible
by a new $20 billion bailout loan approved
by the International Monetary Fund, which has offered
a lifeline to Argentina's dangerously depleting foreign currency

(01:32:10):
reserves.
Millet said the loan will place Argentina in
a better position to face global economic instability.
This new fiscal, monetary, and exchange reality means
two things for the country.
On the one hand, from now on, there
will be no reason why Argentina has self
-inflicted turbulences.
On the other hand, we're in better conditions

(01:32:30):
than ever to resist external turbulences.
Never has Argentina been better equipped in its
economic foundations to resist tensions from the global
economy.
Starting Monday, Argentina's central bank will undo its
fixed currency peg to the dollar, letting the
Argentine peso freely fluctuate within limits.
From this year, companies will also be able

(01:32:53):
to repatriate profits out of the country, a
key demand from businesses that could unlock more
international investment.
The move is high-risk, as there's pent
-up demand for foreign currency.
If there's not enough cash in the central
bank, capital flight could imperil Millet's primary accomplishment
of having lowered inflation during the past 15
months.

(01:33:14):
So I was thinking about this.
They're going to let it float free?
What could possibly go wrong with that?
I don't think the peso is going to
be very competitive.
Every time it floats free, it starts to
go into inflationary mode.

(01:33:35):
But the whole part about they want money
to be able to come in and go
out, wouldn't this be the perfect country to
launch the stablecoin?
They're already using it.
A lot of people in Argentina are using
stablecoin in commerce on a daily basis.
I think we had a report about that
a while back.

(01:33:57):
I don't know.
But what a great country to launch it
in.
Here you go.
Here's a bunch of our stablecoin.
I have no idea.
OK.
Speaking of libertarians, you probably didn't see this.
I actually listened to the whole thing.
And it was Douglas Murray, who doesn't know

(01:34:20):
him, went on Rogan to have some kind
of a debate with Dave Smith.
You know Dave Smith?
I know Dave Smith.
I don't know Dave Smith.
Right.
Dave Smith is the guy who got all
angry at us.
I can't remember that story.
Tell me again.
Well, there were two reasons.
One, because we didn't remember who Scott Horton

(01:34:41):
was.
And two, because we made fun of libertarians.
And I think I said, I'll take that,
I said, I said, well, they're kind of
just Republicans who don't want to say it.
And then a lot of people in Gitmo
Nation, you don't know what libertarianism is.
You're on Tom Wood's show all the time.

(01:35:02):
Don't you know what libertarians are?
I have to say I was a libertarian
or self-proclaimed, because there's no such thing
as a libertarian in my opinion.
But I was a self-proclaimed libertarian until
I realized that there's no such thing.
Well, what was— It's just bullcrap.
What was interesting is my cousin, I think,

(01:35:27):
at one point said, you know, she just
didn't want to believe that I wasn't all
in on Obama at the time.
She says, well, you're not really a Republican,
right?
You're a libertarian.
I'm like, no, I'm not any of that
stuff.
I'm not a part of any club.
I'm just me.
I have my own ideas.
It's kind of a thing that people will
put on you just to, like, I want
to like Adam.

(01:35:48):
Just say you're a libertarian.
Then it's OK.
You can vote for Trump, but just say
you're a libertarian.
And so in this— Now, and I'll tell
you why he was there.
These big podcasts, they're starting to go nuts.
I mean, who wants this?
Who wants three— Well, you should debate Dave
Smith, you Douglas Murray on Joe Rogan's show.

(01:36:11):
And, you know, Joe almost didn't say anything
throughout the whole show.
It was all Dave Smith, who, yack, yack,
yack, yack, yack.
So the guy who got so mad at
us for talking about libertarians, he let this
one slide.
But I thought this was a dynamite description
of libertarians by Douglas Murray.
Let's have a bit of hygiene on our
own side.
Not lift every sewer gate.

(01:36:33):
And when you say our own side, you
mean the right wing, broadly speaking?
Broadly speaking.
And I'm sort of funny about libertarians.
I'm never quite sure.
I always think— I always say, I think
libertarians are essentially the bisexuals of politics.
They should just choose, Joe.
They should choose.
It's kind of— They just want everything at
the buffet.
It's very funny.
Well, I think we want some things.
I don't know.
Okay.

(01:36:53):
That's a weird way to put it, but
I get your point.
Yeah, I see your point.
Okay.
So that was the only point at which
Douglas Murray was good in this thing.
He made a huge mistake, Douglas Murray.
Well, he made a couple of mistakes.
First of all, he feels that, you know,
Russia started the Ukraine war.
It's like, okay.
But Douglas Murray, I don't know what you've

(01:37:13):
been smoking.
But what his whole point— And I follow
Douglas Murray.
He's an intellectual.
He's fun to listen to.
I can't read his books.
He's quite good at debating.
Yes, but this was not a debate.
Yeah.
But— In a formal debate setting, if you
get to see him in one of those,

(01:37:33):
he'll kill anybody.
Yes.
One of those guys.
He's one of those guys, and there's a
bunch of them, that you just don't debate
with him.
Because you're just going to— you can't win.
You're just going to have your ass handed
to you because technique.
Yes.
So this was not a debate.
This was just a back and forth, at
some point, just a verbal diarrhea, yelling match.

(01:37:56):
But the problem is he didn't go in
and just say what he wanted to say.
And I will summarize it, because a lot
of people watch this, you know.
And Douglas Murray came off really bad, because
he came in saying, well, you know, all
these people talking about Israel and what they're
doing in Gaza.

(01:38:16):
And they don't really have— you know, you're
comedians, but yet you're talking like you are
historians.
And, you know, you're not an expert.
And, you know, so of course he put
his foot in his mouth there, because everyone's
like, well, you have to be an expert.
Well, you can't just talk about stuff.
This is America.
You're lying to me.
We can say whatever we want.
But what he was really trying to say

(01:38:37):
is he, too, is seeing the rise of
anti-Jew, anti-Israel, Epstein, Mossad, blackmail, blackmail
nation, Whitney Webb, all this stuff, very much
on the rise.
And instead of saying, hey, cut that out,

(01:38:58):
this is not correct, or anything— but he
didn't say any of that.
Instead, he kept trying to tell Joe Rogan
he needs to have experts on.
It was the stupidest thing.
He couldn't just come out and say what
he meant.
It's like, hey, easy on the Jew hate,
which we've seen.
This is why we distance ourselves from No

(01:39:19):
Agenda Social.
It was too much.
It's like, stop.
And to this day— And the follow-up
was just as bad, if not worse, which
I've just given up on.
I haven't looked at it.
I don't even look at my own Mastodon.
Of course not.
And you were the big Mastodon promoter.
Yeah, well, until I wasn't.

(01:39:41):
And now it's just, you know, now it's
turned into Zionists.
You're a Zionist, you're a Zionist, boomer, shill
you.
What does Mossad have on you?
Whoa, were you at Epstein Island?
It's insane.
Now, that said, it's insane.
Tulsi Gabbard not doing anybody any favors.
And lastly, sir, as you know, declassification and

(01:40:02):
rooting out weaponization, politicization of the intelligence community
is a huge priority.
You know more than anyone else the very
dangerous and negative consequences of that.
I've got a long list of things that
we're investigating.
We have the best of the best going
after this, election integrity being one of them.
We have evidence of how these electronic voting

(01:40:26):
systems have been vulnerable to hackers for a
very long time and vulnerable to exploitation to
manipulate the results of the votes being cast,
which further drives forward your mandate to bring
about paper ballots across the country so that
voters can have faith in the integrity of
our elections.
And lastly, we've been scanning.

(01:40:47):
I've had over 100 people working around the
clock to scan the paper around RFK, Senator
Robert F.
Kennedy's assassination, as well as Martin Luther King
Jr.'s assassination.
These have been sitting in boxes in storage
for decades.
They have never been scanned or seen before.
We'll have those ready to release here within
the next few days.

(01:41:07):
I don't want to sound like a conspiracy
theorist, but where's the Epstein files we were
promised?
You know, she took that same spiel, that
was from the cabinet meeting.
Yes, which was great.
It's run just like a board of directors.
I have a clip of Tulsi Switcheroo, it's
called.
And this is from, she refined that particular

(01:41:30):
spiel and she went on Fox.
I think this was with Hannity.
I only have part of the clips.
I don't know if it was Hannity.
I think it was pretty sure it was
Hannity.
And she does this bit and it's the
same basic thing.
But what she's doing here is interesting.
Yes, she's talking about what she's going to
develop out of this.
All these, you know, they're going to dig

(01:41:51):
through all this old stuff.
Leaving out Epstein and then doing a little,
she did it on that clip too, a
little bit.
This is more obvious.
And instead of going toward Epstein, she does
a switcheroo at the end and starts talking
about the faulty 2020 election.
And this is so seamless.
And it's like, is this really, what is

(01:42:12):
the deal here?
Let's play this and then maybe we can
discuss it.
In other cases, they have been hidden with
the hopes that no one would ever find
them.
Related to the Senator Kennedy assassination files, the
MLK assassination files.
Unlike the JFK files, these have never been
scanned.
They've never been digitized.

(01:42:33):
These are pieces of paper, hundreds and thousands
of them, that have been sitting in boxes
at the National Archives and Records Agency.
So we've had over 100 people manually scanning
every one of these pages, preparing them to
fulfill what President Trump promised the American people.
Maximum transparency in the release of these files

(01:42:54):
that have never been released before publicly before.
We're not stopping there.
We know that not all of those documents
have been turned over to the National Archives
Agency.
And so we've got teams out there going
and searching in warehouses at the FBI, at
the CIA and other places to uncover related
documents that for one reason or another were
never turned over before.

(01:43:16):
So President Trump is very serious, obviously, about
working to achieve that maximum transparency.
That transparency will allow us to bring about
accountability around the Russia collusion hoax, for example.
The more we dig, the more we find
the extent of the seriousness and the intent
of that whole operation was very consistent with

(01:43:38):
what we found in Stalin's operation.
Show me the man and I'll show you
the crime.
It is disheartening to see these things, but
it also provides us the opportunity to tell
the American people the truth about what's been
going on so that we can make sure
we try to bring about an end to
it and bring about that accountability.

(01:43:59):
So what is she's going to, what did
she switch?
The switcheroo, I guess, was for for the
Russia collusion hoax.
Who cares?
Yeah.
Yeah, it's the whole thing is.
Who cares about the Russian collusion hoax?
Well, we want the President, we want Epstein.

(01:44:20):
We want P.
Diddy, we want Epstein.
That's all we care about.
Yes, I'm with you.
I'm with you.
Yeah.
No, no, nothing.
Nothing, nothing, nothing.
And then just to make matters worse, they're
now calling her a terrorist Barbie.

(01:44:43):
And I'm not quite sure what she's doing,
Christy Gnome.
Christy Gnome.
They call her.
She's crazy.
She's wearing these outfits.
She just loves dressing up as some sort
of an agent.
And she's wearing black jackets and hats.
And she's going out there and then she's

(01:45:04):
grilling these guys.
Why did you do this?
And with her sidearm, she has a sidearm.
This is ridiculous.
Well, here she is.
Now she's all dressed up and she's nice.
Hi, I'm Christy Gnome, the United States Secretary
of Homeland Security.
If you plan on traveling, we need your
help to prevent delays and to prove your
identity.
Get a real ID.
Starting May 7th, you will need a real

(01:45:26):
ID to travel by air or to visit
federal buildings in the United States.
These IDs keep our country safe because they
help prevent fraud and they enhance security.
Please do your part to protect our country.
Go today and don't delay.
To learn more, go to dhs.gov slash
real dash ID.
Thank you.

(01:45:48):
Don't delay.
It bothers me too.
You have no idea how much this is.
Oh, I do.
It bothers me too.
Yeah, but it bothers me because of your
thesis.
Because I'm right.
Yep, it's happening.
You're not right yet, but you're going to
be.
And this is really what's bothering me.
Just the fact that I'm going to be
right or the fact that what I said

(01:46:09):
is going to happen?
The fact that you're going to be right
about something that should not happen.
Which is digital ID, which is what this
is really headed toward.
There's no reason for this real ID bullcrap.
It was resisted at the get-go.
From the get-go is Thomas Massey is
the only guy still pushing against it.
And he's right.

(01:46:29):
What's the point?
How does it prevent fraud?
She should have said this will make our
country safe and effective.
That's what she should have said because it
will make our country very effective.
But according to The Guardian, we will now
see a journey pass.
A journey pass is going to come into
play.
What is that going to be?
And this is an ICAO thing.
I'll tell you on May 7th, you know,

(01:46:51):
since the flying public probably only has about
70% coverage of these real IDs.
It's going to be a nightmare at the
airport.
Well, so they want to move this toward
and this is ICAO, the International Civil Civil
Aviation Organization.
So that's, you know, that is the the
UN body responsible for airline policy.
They are going to come up with a

(01:47:12):
journey pass.
So you'll have this on your phone, which
makes it very difficult for those of you
who have one of our hot new books
where you can store your phone.
But you could take the book with you
and then, you know, take it out of
the book.
And it will have your entire journey on
it.
So you only have to scan once upon

(01:47:32):
entering the airport facial recognition.
And that's it.
You'll be good.
And they've been testing all of this.
TSA has been testing it with the facial
recognition.
The boarding process is facial recognition.
They're just stringing it all together.
And they're going to make it official and
call it the journey pass.
And you show up and they always do

(01:47:53):
this with travel.
Everybody's got travel.
We've all like, OK, I got to take
my shoes off.
It's annoying.
OK, I'll get TSA pre-check.
OK, then all my biometrics and I'll get
the global entry.
And they always do it with travel because
we live in this connected travel world.
And that will soon be for everything.
Your journey pass.

(01:48:13):
Welcome to the restaurant.
Please let me scan your face.
Do you have a journey pass?
Oh, you're good to go.
Come on in.
And that will be your digital ID based
on facial recognition.
It's unavoidable.
It's very bad, but it's unavoidable.
Every time you go to Costco now, journey
pass, you'll have well, they won't even mention
it because there'll be just some cameras there.

(01:48:34):
And then they'll just die.
They'll just dock it.
There would be no pass.
It'll be all like you said, facial recognition
is the digital ID.
And so you walk into Costco and you
get the boom to take the picture.
You won't even know.
And the next day, but it goes into
the database, the government database.
Where was this guy on Tuesday, the third?

(01:48:55):
Yep.
Oh, he was at Costco for an hour.
And he left Costco and then we caught
him.
He was in his car and we had
the license plate checker.
He was got home 20 minutes later and
he walked up the steps.
Yeah, we have the ring doorbell data.
And so he's in the house as we

(01:49:15):
speak.
So we can bomb him.
I think drone him is the is the
term we can drone him drone the place.
He's there.
We know for a fact he's there.
This is why I need more kids.
You need at least five kids because for
sure, one of your kids is going to
get drone for something.
So you need to have more kids than
you normally would have because the government will

(01:49:36):
drone one of them.
Oh man.
Yeah, it's none of this is good.
This is good.
Let's do some gaffes.
I got two gaff clips.
I'll just wet your appetite with gas.
Gaffes, gaffes, gaffes, gaffes, gaffe, gaffe, gaffe, gaffe,
gaffe, gaffe, golf, alpha, fox, fox, echo.

(01:50:00):
Gaff.
I'm I'm all ears.
These will be direct talks with the Iranians.
And I want to make that very clear.
I also spoke to the president just last
night about his goal when it comes to
Iran, and he has reiterated repeatedly to all
of you publicly and also privately to his
team here at the White House.
His ultimate goal and the ultimate objective is
to ensure that Iran can never obtain a

(01:50:22):
nuclear weapon weapon.
Now I heard nuclear erection.
I don't know about you.
I heard nuclear erection and I'm sticking to
it.
Play that little part again.
I didn't hear it.
Goal and the ultimate objective is to ensure
that Iran can never obtain a nuclear weapon
weapon.
Come on.
Well, this one's more clear than this is.

(01:50:45):
Who is this is the house whip whip
whip Tom Emmer, which, by the way, Emmer
in Dutch is bucket.
I'm not sure why.
Tom Bucket.
Here's Tom Bucket.
The house whip.
This is a much clearer gaffe.
It's going to take every person in this
room to get the job done.
And I know that we will, because failure

(01:51:05):
is simply not an option.
President Trump is counting on us.
Come on, come on.
After President Pump, this one is very obvious.
President Cunt.
That's what sounded like to me.
I'm just thinking that's what it was.
Let's listen again.

(01:51:27):
Oh, I see.
That's where he got it.
He got it from counting.
Yeah, of course.
Of course.
Yeah, he was he was reading and he
was reading Trump.
And so he got to see into the
he was he was reading ahead.
He was reading ahead.
I know you are.
No, that's all I got to.
Come on.
I got to.
Where's yours?
Oh, and you can do a series.
I expect three, four and it's not like

(01:51:50):
covid.
We had everyone was we're taking the the
virus.
We're going to you need the virus shots.
I mean, the vaccine shots.
Now, none of that.
But before we take a break, let's play
another tick tock clip.
OK, this will be good.
Let's do a tick tock clip because, gee,
what do we do without phones?
If no one if everyone had their phone
in a book, we would have no tick

(01:52:11):
tock clips.
And by the way, most of the half
I have to say now that the number
of.
Legitimate tick tock clips in my list, I
just call them that because they're on reels
and scan what all these in case you
hadn't noticed.
Every social network, every single one is copying
tick tock.
And it's all just video.

(01:52:32):
Just just go look at the timeline on
X.
It's all video.
And I've said this.
I think I said it on this show.
I said on DHM plugged that there's a
slight genius to tick tock that these other
guys can't seem to figure out.
And I'm going to reveal it.
Oh, the big review.
And I don't understand why these other idiots,
Facebook.

(01:52:54):
Insta Twitter, all of them, the tick tock
videos that they play on tick tock are
instantly downloadable with a simple click.
They will save any one of them to
as an MP for right off the site.
Well, you don't have to go.
You know why?
Because they all have tick tock in them.
And so that so they got they have
self promotion in the clip.

(01:53:15):
Yes.
So at the end, they had a little
tick tock jingle.
And this is tick tock.
Other morons can't figure this out.
No, no, no.
They clearly they can't know.
And by so obviously a great idea.
And so I so I get to take.
So I won't be on Twitter.

(01:53:35):
And there's a tick tock clip with the
promotion for tick tock because it's so easy
to download.
You just click.
Boom, it's download.
You got the clip.
You can save it.
No, no, no.
We can't do that.
Yeah, I'd say it gives them promotion and
saves them bandwidth.
It's very smart.
It's extremely smart.
But the the just annoying as hell.

(01:53:57):
OK, let's play the coffee girl.
I mean, this was every fiber of my
body as a conservative woman.
I do not want conservatives making my coffee.
I quite literally want a liberal making my
coffee.
That is we all have places in this
world.
Liberals are great at making coffee, OK?
And I walked into a coffee shop today

(01:54:18):
and it was literally a blue haired girl
with piercings all over.
And this is the best latte I've ever
had.
God is good.
God is real.
We all have a place on this earth.
It's a beautiful thing, really.
So anyways, yeah, he's a blessing.
Blasphemy, I tell you.

(01:54:38):
Blasphemy.
Meanwhile, meanwhile, those liberals that make the great
coffee.
Let's listen to one of them.
This is the Starbucks clip of some poor
guy who has to actually work at a
Starbucks.
And he's just miserable because he has to
work eight hours.
People wonder why we need a union at
Starbucks.

(01:54:59):
And I am literally about to quit.
Like, I don't know if I'm going to
do it, but like, I really want to.
I almost walked out today and I'm crying
in the back room right now.
And I must cry on the floor.
It's just like I get I'm like a
full time student.
I get scheduled for 25 hours a week.
And then on weekends, they schedule me the
entire day open to close up on the

(01:55:20):
schedule for eight and a half hours, both
Saturday and Sunday.
I'm like three and a half hours into
my shift.
There's so many customers and we have four
people on the floor all day.
Only five people were put on the schedule
and somebody had to call out.
And there are four people running the whole
store.
And there's so many customers.
And there's possibly scheduled five people.

(01:55:42):
We only have 13 people employed at this
store.
And there's so many customers.
We don't have fair scheduling.
Managers don't care about us.
Our manager was supposed to come in this
weekend and he took himself off the schedule
so he wouldn't be able to be held
accountable for calling out.
He just literally tore down the schedule that
he was scheduled on and put up a
new schedule where he wasn't on the schedule.

(01:56:03):
Also, he couldn't have even seen that he
was scheduled in the first place because he
didn't want to be held accountable for not
wanting to come in.
They don't want to help us.
We need a union because this can't happen.
This can't happen.
We need fair scheduling.
We need managers to hold themselves accountable for
helping their workers.

(01:56:24):
They refuse to turn mobile orders off.
We need the liberty to be able to
do that because there's so many mobile orders.
And I need to get through all of
them.
And then people are yelling at me because
I don't have their orders ready.
And they don't know what to do.
They don't know what to do.
And a customer was misgendering me tonight like
really badly.
I didn't have their order ready.
And so they were just like totally talking
to each other.
And they're like, she's clearly incompetent.

(01:56:45):
I have a full mustache and beard.
What the fuck?
Oh, kick her at the end.
Nice.
Okay, a couple things.
When I was a kid, when I was
16, and I worked my Saturday job at

(01:57:07):
Falkenberg, which was an electronic store where we
had to, hobbyists would come in and they
won't.
Were they misgendering you?
Sometimes.
They would come in and they would.
And by the way, we had to be
there at 730 and get ready.
And we had to set up the till.
The till.

(01:57:27):
The till was a.
The till.
Semi-automatic.
And I'll explain that in a second.
So we had hobbyists come in and they'd
say, yes, I want five.
Here's my list.
I have five 10K ohm resistors.
I have 50 microfarad capacitors.

(01:57:48):
And then I need this length of wire.
And you do all that.
And you had to put in a little
bag.
And so you had to read the codes.
You had to look at the color codes
to get it right to make.
Because, you know, there could be one in
the wrong box.
The nerd across from you would notice it
immediately.
That's not the right resistance.
And then you had to write it on
a piece of paper.
Carbon copy paper.
Stick it into the till.

(01:58:09):
You didn't have quite to crank the thing.
Although if the power went out, you could
crank it by hand.
You had to type in the numbers.
And they went.
And it spit the paper back out.
And then you had to give change.
You had to calculate the change and give
them the change back.
And then by the time we were finally
done, it was lunch hour.

(01:58:29):
You went and made out with the phone
receptionist in the back.
That was a Saturday, man.
And these kids.
This is why you need multiple kids.
Some of them just need to put snow
in their mouth when they come out.
This is wrong.
What happened?
No wonder we're losing.
Yeah.
This is very.
That kid at the Starbucks is the reason

(01:58:50):
we're losing.
It's a noodle boy.
Or it was a girl boy.
It was beyond them.
I don't know.
I forgot my jingle.
You're a boomer.
I forgot my jingle.
You're a boomer.
Yes.
Boomer.
Okay.
Call me a boomer what you want.
But that was.
And that was in Holland.

(01:59:11):
That's not.
That was my American spirit in Holland.
We used to have that.
We used to have the wrong resistor in
that drawer.
Yeah.
You could probably see it a mile away
if you're in the lookout.
Yeah, exactly.
And then you had to explain a blue
line on it.
Not a red line.
What are you doing?
You had to explain why you wanted the

(01:59:32):
cassette tape with Chrome with Dolby and how
you used it and how you would record
with or without Dolby.
Oh, I remember Chrome tape.
Chrome tape, baby.
Yeah.
That was the good stuff.
Yes.
Yes.
Well, then here's how I got lucky.
Then the VIC-20 came out, the Commodore
VIC-20.
And then everything changed from that moment because

(01:59:53):
then I was writing database programs for dentists
on the VIC-20.
And you record your database on your cassette
tape.
This is how we grew up.
And then during lunch, we no longer made
out with the receptionist in the back.
No, we were copying ROMs, game ROMs, copying
it.
Ah, there's a new ROM with a game.

(02:00:15):
Let's copy it on the cassette tape and
take it home with me.
That's what we were doing.
This is why I think ham radio is
good for kids.
There's some of these new, the new Chinese
ham radios, so building on the success of
the Baofeng, and they're completely moddable.

(02:00:35):
You can do all kinds of cool stuff
with them now.
Kids should get into that.
Yeah, they should.
It's fun.
You know, it's all digital modes.
You can message back and forth.
Um, they got, you know, they've modded it.
So you got like a text messaging inside
of it, point to point.
There's all kinds of amazing things that are

(02:00:56):
being done with that.
Yeah, it's the, um, what is it?
Let me see.
I should probably tell people what that is.
It is the, uh, gosh, I thought I
had it here.
Uh, no, I guess I don't have it.
Uh, I thought I saved it.

(02:01:17):
Oh yeah, here it is.
The Quan Sheng, Q-U-A-N-S
-H-E-N-G, Quan Sheng UVK5 or
the UVK6.
These are highly hackable.
A lot of fun, a lot of fun.
Get your ham radio license.
You have one?
No, I ordered one though right away.

(02:01:38):
Oh yeah.
What should they go for?
I think like 25 bucks.
Oh geez, it's unbelievable.
And they finally, they don't come with a
stupid charging stand anymore.
Now you can just charge them with USB
-C.
I just stick a thing in.
Yeah, stick a thing in.
Yeah, that charging stand is dumb.
Oh, because you know, because if you have

(02:01:58):
a couple of these radios, you have 15
different charging stands.
You don't know which one fits in where.
No, it's just a disaster.
It's a disaster.
But with that, even, you know, even batteries
that go in cameras from now on should
have a USB connection on the, it should
have enough circuitry.
You can shrink it down.
Yes.
And it should charge within.

(02:02:19):
It should not have the outside.
It shouldn't be necessary to hook it up
to anything.
And I suggest you get it now.
You get it now because for some reason,
I have a feeling this won't fall under
semiconductors.
Probably not.
Yeah, so you know, it might cost you
$35.
Think of all the fun you can have,
kids.
Learn about antenna technology.

(02:02:41):
It's great.
And with that, I want to thank you
for your courage.
Say in the morning to you, the man
who put the seas in the nuclear erection.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end.
The one, the only Mr. John C.
DeVore.
Yeah, well, in the morning to you, Mr.
Adam Curry.
In the morning, all ships and sea boots
on the ground, feet in the air, subs
in the water, and all the dames and

(02:03:01):
knights out there.
In the morning to the trolls in the
troll room.
Hello there, trolls.
Let me catch you for a second.
Troll count, troll count.
There we go, trolls.
We have 2,431 trolls at the peak
here in the troll room, which is good
to have the trolls here.
Nice to see you all.
Welcome aboard, trollroom.io. We are one of
the leading podcasts when it comes to broadcasting

(02:03:22):
live, streaming live.
There's no editing.
It's all live to tape, and it's very
interactive.
People continue to troll away and talk about
all kinds of fun stuff, and sometimes it's
useful.
Usually not, but sometimes they're talking amongst each
other.
It's like being in a television studio audience,
but you can talk to each other.
How about that?

(02:03:42):
Imagine.
You can laugh, you can cry, you can
be mad, and it's all at trollroom.io.
Or get one of the modern podcast apps.
Pretty soon, you'll just be able to get
podcasts on one of those fancy new ham
radios from China.
They'll just download it right onto it.
You can share the podcast on the ham
radio.
I'm telling you, the modders are at it.

(02:04:03):
Podcastapps.com.
Value for value is the way we have
chosen to live.
It's been pretty good over 17 years.
Until today.
Through the ups and the downs.
It is what it is.
You know, we roll with the economic times.
When you're hurting, we're hurting.

(02:04:24):
When you're doing good, we're still hurting.
Sometimes it's really good, but not always.
But it's okay because it's value for value.
And that doesn't just mean it has to
be money.
But I will say, the end of show
mixes have dropped off a bit.
It's not like less people are listening, or
I'm sorry, downloading the podcast, because that's what
the metric is.

(02:04:46):
By the way, I was surprised.
Is DH Unplugged now doing in-show advertising?
We've done it before.
Oh, I didn't realize you'd done it before.
That sounded new to me.
Oh yeah, we've done it before, on and
off.
We do it every so often.
It takes somebody to come up with something.
We've also refused a lot of advertising for

(02:05:09):
various reasons.
But once in a while, somebody comes up.
And Horowitz has worked with Interactive Brokers for
a while on his other shows.
So they wanted to do this show.
So we said, sure.
Yeah, the only thing is like, but then
I know, I have an Interactive, I think
I still have an Interactive Brokers account.
I haven't traded in many years.
But now they have like some kind of

(02:05:29):
prop bet.
We can bet, you know, yes or no.
That's news to me.
I think that's what they're trying to promote.
You know, what's that company that did the,
you know, there's just some, there's a bunch
of these online operations that you can bet
on stupid stuff.
Like, you know, who's like, you could bet
on the election.
You could have bet on Trump versus.
Yeah, prop bets or just bets.

(02:05:51):
But they're just bets, prop bets.
Prop bets specific to sports in general.
Although it would apply to politics, like say
in a debate, they would have a prop
bet on how many times the guy's going
to say.
But this is like, you know, I think
the weather's going to be bad next week.
You can bet on it.
Yeah, that's, yeah.
That was very interesting.

(02:06:12):
That's gambling.
That's gambling.
That's not, that's not, what is that?
It's gambling.
It's gambling.
By the way.
It's like, it's like the degenerate gamblers.
I told a story before.
I used to know these guys when I
was in college.
There were these guys that lived in.
Polly Market.
Polly Market.
Thank you, trolls.
Polly Market.
They were degenerate gamblers.

(02:06:32):
And they were always, and you run into
this.
They lived in a house.
There's four of them.
And one time we picked them up to
go bowling with a little group of us.
And we went to the, I went to
their place with somebody else to get it.
Come on, let's go.
And they say, okay, well, hold on.
So Jim's got to go get his coat.
And so one of the guys went, had
to go back digging around the back of

(02:06:53):
the house.
And while the guy was in the, on
the process of going to get his coat,
the other two guys that were there had
to flip coins for quarters.
Cause I mean, they just were gambling.
They couldn't stop gambling.
They gambled on everything.
You know, listening to that, cause I typically

(02:07:13):
I'll just listen to podcasts.
I'm not really a big podcast watcher.
So I'm listening to that three hours and
nine minutes of that horrible debate between Douglas
Murray and Dave, and mainly Dave Smith and
a little bit of Joe Rogan in there.
And every 15 minutes they insert ads.
And a lot of it was gambling.

(02:07:35):
There's a lot, and you know, then you
get, you get free money like here, you
get $150 to bet for free.
You have to use it within, you have
to use it within a hundred hours.
And if you stop betting, they'll come under
and offer you some free money.
Cause they figure you're going to blow through
that and get back into the addiction part
of it, which means you're just going to
lose.

(02:07:55):
Probably.
But no, probably about it is designed for
you to lose your money.
No, yeah, just, but even just, just ads
by itself, like, oh, especially if it's such
a riveting conversation.
It's very jarring.
I'm glad we chose a different path.
The path we chose is value for value,

(02:08:17):
time, talent, or treasure, which means you can
do a lot for the show.
There's people working on a new, actually we
could use a couple.
But I'd like to stack up a couple
of best ofs, like really kick-ass best
of shows that are, which are always fresh
and new.
Cause you can assemble them in so many

(02:08:37):
different ways, so many different themes.
Bingit.io is your friend in that case.
You can find any topic in every single
episode, every clip.
It's thank you, Sir Deanonymous.
That's a great example.
Sir Deanonymous created that, bingit.io for us.
You can search everything on that site.
It's unbelievable how good that is.
Every single show going back to episode one,

(02:08:58):
all the show notes, all the transcripts, all
the clips, all index, you just type in
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and it pops
it up.
That's how I, I have to go back
all the time.
Like, did we talk about, yes, we did
talk about it.
Cause you forget.
So we have artists who do stuff for
us.
And, and we appreciate that because art is

(02:09:20):
hard, even if you're using tools like Photoshop,
the GIMP, or yes, indeed AI.
It's still very hard because you have to
have a creative insight, a creative gene.
It's still art.
You still have to come up with something
that actually works.
And kind of failed last show.
We chose what we thought was the best.
I mean, again, we'll blame ourselves.

(02:09:41):
We just didn't have something that hit it.
This was an old theme.
It was the, the cell phone in the
drawer, which people did like.
Just looking at the responses on, on X.
And it was a cute piece.
It was cute.
Yes.
But I mean, it wasn't, we weren't blown
away by it.
There were several.
Well, first of all, it's Tanstafl.

(02:10:02):
So there are no such thing as a
free lunch.
We finally figured out what that means.
And Tanstafl has won, has won several times.
Let's take a look at what we had.
noagendaartgenerator.com is where you can follow along.
You can actually see the artists uploading art
live as we talk, as we do the
show and all the way up.
Because we choose the art right after we're

(02:10:23):
done.
You know, we get the opening little blip.
We do the credits and we try to
delay as long as possible.
Give everybody as much chance to get their
artwork in.
And I personally, now I like the, the
Blackberry with the cracked screen.
You didn't like that because you felt that
people couldn't see it was a Blackberry with
a cracked screen.
No, it didn't look like a cracked screen.

(02:10:44):
It looked like an eyeball.
Like an eyeball.
Yeah.
Like an iris.
Yeah, that was a fair point.
Let's see, there were more cell phones in
the drawers.
We had MAGA credentials, which is okay.
It wasn't much.

(02:11:05):
No.
Well, a lot of, a lot of books,
a lot of hollow books, but you're so
anti this idea.
This is like the, this is, you know,
you've done this.
You started to do this, I think about
it, I don't know, six months ago, or
maybe before that, you're looking for like a
callback theme.
Yeah.
And you just take it through the whole

(02:11:25):
show.
So at the very end of the show,
you'll probably make some other comment about the
hollow books.
Because I believe in this idea.
Yeah, I know you do.
And, and you believe in it too.
But then when I, when I started to
come up with some real implementation ideas, you
start walking it back.
You're not going to sell any of this.
It's too expensive.

(02:11:49):
Walking it back, walking it back.
I mean, I don't like to, I don't
like to do this to you, but you
set yourself up for it.
You know, like you do.
That's okay.
It's just funny.
It would be funnier if we had the
actual product in, in production.
It would be, Jay can do the cover.
She knows how you can print it at

(02:12:11):
home.
Oh, please.
Now you're cheapening the product.
Well, okay.
I mean, you may have heard her do
the work.
Well, we cut her in.
She's always okay.
Well, you know, she could charge.
Sure.
You guys produce books.
You have a publishing company.

(02:12:31):
Get back to the point.
We were talking about art.
I was, it was lots of hollow book
art.
It was nice.
Let me see.
I think that was it.
There's a lot of Trump AI.
No, no, no, no.
It's not going to happen.
This Darren O'Neill is just wasting compute.

(02:12:52):
Stop wasting computes Darren O'Neill.
I think he's, he's got a, he's hit
a rut.
Well, no, he's got, he pays.
Yeah, of course he pays.
And so he's, he has to get his
money's worth because it's a flat fee.
Well, the funniest one, although it would have
been good if it wasn't, if it wasn't
Trump on an Eagle, but it was kind

(02:13:13):
of like the farmer's wife type level art
with crayon.
Yeah.
That he somehow got that out of wifey.
Yeah.
I mean, farmer's wife could have done this.
We would have picked, we're not Trump.
Stop with the Trump stuff.
You know, it's no, I just don't think
that's a, I don't think it's a, it's

(02:13:34):
no good.
Well, I think that was it.
Wasn't it?
Yeah, there's not much to say.
All right, Tom Staffel, congratulations.
Another win for you.
Of course, these other artists, you've probably seen
it.
Your art will likely get used in the
chapters, which you can see in the modern
podcast apps.
Get one of those, Podverse, Podcast Guru, Podcast

(02:13:55):
Addict, Fountain, you name it.
It's all there.
Podcastapps.com.
Now we're going to thank people who supported
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What we'd like to do is upfront in
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(02:14:18):
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I mean, you literally can be right up
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(02:14:38):
Dana Brunetti, who just took all the riches
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But you gave something back to America.
You're a good associate executive producer because you
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(02:14:59):
is $300 or above.
And we will start with our first executive
producer.
We have three of them today.
And that starts with Darth Penguin.
Sounds like a legit name.
Darth Penguin from- Yes, it's Darth Penguin.
Yeah, legit.
From Streamwood, Illinois, and comes in with $1

(02:15:22):
,080.08. So that's a ten boob.
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And Darth Penguin said- Ten boob.
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Like a dog.
He says, this gift of treasure to the
best podcast in the universe is for a
boob-insta-night.
Nice.

(02:15:43):
Well, that's an interesting idea.
Boob-insta-night, that's right.
Yeah, boob-insta-night.
I recently helped elevate totally not serial killer
Kate to achieve her damedun.
Damedun.
It would be truly amazing that with her
ascension to the round table that I, being
deduced last podcast, can be part of the
royalty at the same time.
I donate of my own free will my

(02:16:05):
treasure to Lord Adam and Lord John.
I request left-hand brewery milk stout nitro
and Vito and Nick's Pizza.
Did I get the stout?
I was going to get some of that
cheap Mexican beer.
Okay, make sure you- And Nick's Pizza.
You got it.
Also, double karma for the No Agenda family

(02:16:25):
and a Scott Simon jingle for Susan from
Tinley Park.
Did you get the Scott Simon thing our
producer sent in?
Yes, I did.
I did.
But I didn't know what to do.
It's very good.
It's very funny.
Well, I sent him a note because I
want to know what he's up to.
Is this him doing Scott's- No.
I asked him and he answered me.

(02:16:47):
Oh, I asked him too.
I didn't hear back.
You probably blocked him.
Everyone complains- I didn't block him because
I got the thing to begin with.
He does the Scott.
Okay, where's the Scott Simon come from?
11 Labs.
Okay.
He says 11 Labs has gotten pretty good
with- I guess you can upload a
sample now?

(02:17:07):
Yeah.
No, it's been always good.
I've been wanting to use- I don't
pay for the 11 Labs stuff, so I'm
going to have to pay for it because
I would like to upload some voices.
Yes.
Because these voices that I use for the
fake in the show- Yeah, they're getting
pretty annoying.
They're the same people and you can't do
too many.
Carl.
You're on your limit.

(02:17:28):
Your free limits are over.
Because you'll adjust it by adding an exclamation
point and then it's like, I'm sorry, your
free limit is over.
You can't- Yeah, get the free limit.
You have to wait four hours.
Yeah, I don't get that.
Yes, okay.
Well, the Scott Simon that he's put in
there is killer.

(02:17:48):
Well, I have it.
I can play it for a second.
Well, it's very long.
Well, we can just play it for a
second.
I'll play a little bit of it.
Okay.
Okay, so here's a little bit of it.
This bonus clip, everybody.
Good morning.
This is Weekend Edition from NPR.
I'm Scott Simon and I'd like to begin
today's show with a moment of quiet reflection.

(02:18:10):
Not for any particular reason.
I just enjoy the sound of my own
breathing.
It reassures me that for now, I am
still here.
Our top story today, scientists have issued yet
another dire warning about climate change.
The oceans are rising, the forests are burning,
and quite frankly, I can't help but wonder,

(02:18:33):
why am I still paying rent?
So there's not enough- It goes on.
This is quite good, by the way.
I'll put it in the show notes.
It's like four minutes.
There's not enough marbles in the mouth, but
it's pretty good.
But what's good is he wrote a great
script.
The script is dynamite.
That's what it is.
He wrote a great script.
And so again, you can't say to AI,

(02:18:57):
create a four-minute funny piece of Scott
Simon.
AI will not give you this.
I should just lie down in the middle
of a Whole Foods parking lot and let
nature take me.
But first, an update on my personal life.
Play a little more.
Okay.

(02:19:17):
Oh, hold on a second.
Let me get back to where I was.
Okay.
Financial struggles of young Americans who claim they
will never be able to afford a home.
But have they considered simply inheriting one?
We'll speak to an anti-Trump Harvard economist
who has never put a pistol to their

(02:19:38):
head because they couldn't pay the electric bill.
And who once described his darkest moment as,
quote, the time my dad made me drive
the Porsche with the cloth seats.
The guy, that's talent right there.
That's a talent that AI cannot come up
with.
No, I don't think so.

(02:20:00):
But this is also the only thing AI
is good at so far.
This is the only use that I approve
of.
So I think the art, I think it
does good art.
Yeah.
For quick art, spot art, the throwaway stuff
that, you know, people used to get paid
for.
And probably not quite as good as great

(02:20:22):
creativity, but great creativity is rare.
So even this guy who did the, I
think it's Ryan.
Yeah.
Who did the Scott Simon material, which is
hilarious.
Yes.
That is not, not anyone can write this
kind of.
Well, this is funny stuff.
So because you are listening.

(02:20:44):
Especially with the Scott Simon voice in mind.
Because you are listening to the donation segment,
we will do a little piece of Scott
Simon in between each donation, which won't be
a lot for this episode.
I promise.
Definitely.
Double karma for the No Agenda family.
A Scott Simon jingle for Susan from Tinley

(02:21:05):
Park.
She'd appreciate, she'd appreciate it.
I'd like to be knighted as Sir Darth
Penguin of Loctucky.
Carry on with your critical analysis and tips.
Looking forward to seeing my fellow No Agenda
compatriots soon at Reggie's Rock House in the
near future.
ITM.
Suffer and suck a dash.
I'm Scott.

(02:21:27):
Simon.
Karma.
There you go.
Double up karma.
And we will play another Scott Simon drop
right here.
Speaking of regret.
I'd like to issue a formal apology to
the woman I dated in 1997, who told
me she was going to move to New

(02:21:47):
York and become an actress.
I laughed.
I said, you, Broadway?
She's now a four-time Tony winner.
Jared Dadarian's up, and he's in Trabuco Canyon,
California.
He came in with 333.33. He's our
old buddy.
Yes.
Probably a baron.
Been around.

(02:22:07):
Thank you for an outstanding product, he writes.
Jobs karma for my wife, please.
And didn't he do the cutting boards for
us recently?
That was Arrow, wasn't it?
I don't think so.
Yeah, I think it was.
I think he did the cutting boards.
Yes.
Yeah, I thought so.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.

(02:22:30):
Let's vote for jobs.
Karma.
I, meanwhile, am sitting here slowly realizing that
every major event of my life has been
leading me to an inevitable and humiliating death.
Andrew Glenn from Skelmorely.

(02:22:51):
Oh, Skelmorely.
That's in the United Kingdom, North Ayrshire.
Ayrshire.
Comes in with 315.85, our last executive
producer for today, but has a note that
will take us a long time to read.
I first started listening to Noah Jenner around
2009.
Then in early 2010, it was on your
show that I first heard Nigel Farage's famous

(02:23:13):
damp rag speech to the then EU president,
Herman van Rompuy.
It was barely covered at all by the
UK media at the time.
This then confirmed what I long suspected about
the media on both sides of the Atlantic,
and to hear you guys laying out the
hypocrisies, omissions, deceits, and biases so clearly has
been both entertaining and useful.
Listening to Noah Jenner over the years has

(02:23:34):
put me ahead of the curve on so
many issues since then compared to my friends,
who would never admit this and who still
think me something of a crackpot.
I really appreciate your coverage of Europe and
the UK in particular, especially now as we
in Gitmo Nation East are really under the
kosh, kosh being a reference to a policeman's
truncheon, in terms of freedom of speech, where

(02:23:56):
an inappropriate tweet can get you three years
in jail.
I'll send you suitable material when I find
it to help you tell the world of
our predicament.
Your business model is amazing for we producers,
though I appreciate that it must have entailed
a huge risk for you both.
But you have stuck with value for value
over the years, despite giving your respective talents,
no doubt having missed out on many more

(02:24:18):
lucrative opportunities.
Yes, microphones, holobooks.
Thanks for that.
So I feel slightly ashamed that it has
taken me this long to reach knighthood.
I shall be known as, it's scrolled off
here.
I shall be known as Commodore Sir Andrew
Glenn of Skelmoreley, knight of the dropped note,

(02:24:40):
a reference to my occasionally erratic musicianship.
At the roundtable, I'd like to request a
fresh, crusty bloomer loaf.
What is a bloomer loaf?
I have no idea.
I think it means a balloon bread.
With unsalted butter and a jar of Bovril.
Bovril, you may remember from your time in
the UK, Adam, is essentially what you end

(02:25:02):
up with if you boil a cow for
long enough.
Most consider this a thick black goo as
the basis for a winter drink or bouillon,
but I love it spread on bread.
Those Brits.
I believe it is not readily available in
the US, but thankfully the legend has it
the roundtable is in Tintagel, England.
So it is actually available in the US.

(02:25:23):
Yes.
Best wishes, Commodore.
You know, so I actually do have the
latest crazy English police clip.
Did you see this?
The one about it's illegal to tell somebody
to speak English.
Yes, that's the one.
It may be.
I tried to filter it, but in essence,
a Metro police cop is questioning a citizen

(02:25:44):
for having insulted another citizen by saying, speak
English.
Apparently during some conversations between yourself, you have
alleged we weren't here, so I don't know
you said it, but you've alleged to say,
speak English or what's that?
Speak clearly.
No, the gentleman's passed on the desk.

(02:26:05):
Yeah, okay.
Speak clearly.
So I couldn't see them, could I?
No, and that's fine.
And that's why we've just come to speak
because potentially someone could perceive that as a
hate crime.
And that's the kicker.
It can be seen as a hate crime.
So the hate crime to say, speak English.
So the thing is, what is wrong with

(02:26:26):
these people?
And the fact that these police can do
this with a straight face?
Yes, it's really quite nuts.
The thing that's so crazy is apparently you
can just say, you can just call the
cops and say, I feel insulted.

(02:26:50):
That's what drives me crazy about it.
You can just say, I feel insulted, and
then that's enough.
How does that make any sense?
There's no written law.
It's just, if you make someone feel bad,
then that is a hate crime.
It's insane.
It's insane.

(02:27:11):
So I feel you.
I feel you, future knight.
And let's do another Scott Simon.
I'll come back.
That ending is quite good, too, by the

(02:27:32):
way.
Yeah, we'll play it at the end.
We'll play it at the end.
Eli the coffee guy comes up already.
Yeah.
In the fourth slot.
In Bensonville, Illinois, 20413.
And of course, you've had a lot of
coffee today, I can tell.
Yeah.
Ornery.
Ornery.

(02:27:52):
Been a strange week in the markets with
more turbulence to come, he writes.
But hey, it's to be expected with the
current economic uncertainty.
Chaos.
Upside is coffee is down from all-time
market highs.
There may be uncertainty in the market.
But one thing you can be certain of

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Eli the coffee guy.
Jingles don't trust China.
Oh, that's interesting.

(02:28:34):
Donald Trump don't trust China.
China is asshole.
Of those who truly deserve it.
Support also comes from the Oswald Dupree Association
of Retards, dedicated to a future where we
put every retard to good use.
I forgot about that part.

(02:28:56):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Finally, we have Linda Lou Patkin always coming
in here to support the show and support
her business, which seems to be going quite
well.
She's in Lakewood, Colorado.
But that doesn't matter where she is because
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That's imagemakersinc with a K and work with
Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs and writer of
resumes.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
Yes, don't worry.
I'll put the Scott Simon full clip into

(02:29:39):
the show notes.
You'll be able to grab a grab a
copy of that.
Thank you very much to our executive and
associate executive producers.
Those of you who are here, we really
appreciate you, especially our brand new Boob Instantite
will be instantinating you later on.
Lots at the roundtable.
And of course, we'll be thanking $50 and
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And as always, you can go to noagendadonations
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(02:30:21):
Our formula is this.
We go out.
We hit people in the mouth.
Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo.

(02:30:45):
So I have some Bobby the Op news.
Oh, okay.
Yes.
Let me see.
You know, so you saw the cabinet meeting
and Bobby the Op made his announcement, which
turned into a little piece here.
Although this piece was quite interesting.

(02:31:07):
And then I have some analysis from Margaret
Brennan from this morning, along with some doctor.
But this is, in essence, what he's promising.
This morning, a commitment to find possible causes
of autism within six months.
By September, we will know what has caused
the autism epidemic, and we'll be able to

(02:31:27):
eliminate those exposures.
Health Secretary RFK Jr. promising during the president's
cabinet meeting that he will find out why
autism rates are rising.
We've launched a massive testing and research effort
that's going to involve hundreds of scientists from
around the world.
In 2000, about one out of every 150

(02:31:49):
children was diagnosed with autism.
Today, the CDC says it's one in every
36.
RFK says the numbers are closer to one
in 31.
That's a horrible statistic, isn't it?
And there's got to be something artificial out
there that's doing this.
Experts say some of the increase is due
to more awareness and a broader definition of

(02:32:09):
autism spectrum disorder.
It is possible that a yet unknown factor
can also be contributing to the rise.
But research thus far shows genetics and advanced
maternal age can potentially increase the risk.
To come together and say that we're just
going to get a bunch of scientists together
and get an answer by September, that seems
a little far-fetched.
I will say a lot of good can

(02:32:30):
happen when the scientific community comes together and
collaborates with a unified goal.
RFK.
By the way, this is quite funny.
It's like now everyone's saying, well, you can't
do that.
Whatever happened to 97% of all scientists
believe carbon dioxide contributes to man-made global
warming.
All of a sudden, that doesn't count when

(02:32:51):
it comes to Bobby the Op.
When the scientific community comes together and collaborates
with a unified goal.
RFK, long a vaccine skeptic, has raised questions
about a possible link between the measles vaccine
and autism.
Lie.
I don't think he's ever said the measles
vaccine.
In fact, he said quite the opposite.

(02:33:12):
He said too many childhood vaccines is a
possibility.
I don't think he's ever singled out the
measles vaccine, but it's okay because, you know,
it's just news.
Between the measles vaccine and autism, despite dozens
of high quality studies refuting the claim.
High quality studies.
Kennedy has tapped a previously discredited vaccine skeptic,

(02:33:35):
David Geyer, as a senior data analyst.
There is some worry that there could be
some bias, or this research may not be
responsibly looking for a correct cause.
RFK did not offer details on how the
research will be conducted, but says the National
Institutes of Health will oversee it and look
into everything.
Now, I will say that for sure the

(02:33:59):
DSM-5 broadened the spectrum of autism.
So definitely there's an increase in the numbers
because, you know, oh, he's got Tourette's, autism.
Oh, he's been quiet this week, autism.
There's a lot of that, but there's just,
I mean, even Robert De Niro had a

(02:34:19):
whole documentary about his kid who got autism.
Coincidentally, after he got a whole bunch of
vaccinations as a kid, but of course he
had to pull that from his own film
festival because that was the wrong narrative.
So now we go to CBS, Face the
Nation.
Margaret Brennan with a doctor.
Many parents- Who is the former, what
is he?
He's former FDA dude.

(02:34:40):
Probably no.
ASD diagnosis rates are on the increase in
this country.
The CDC says the current numbers are one
in 36 American children.
This is a very broad spectrum of neurodevelopmental
disorders.
There's no established cause.
On Thursday, the HHS Secretary Kennedy said he's

(02:35:01):
got hundreds of scientists from around the world
working on it.
And he promised this.
By September, we will know what has caused
the autism epidemic and we'll be able to
eliminate those exposures.
That gives tremendous hope to a lot of
people.
Do you know anything about that ongoing research?
I know a minimal amount of effort that's

(02:35:22):
been going on to try to relook at
prior autism.
Research, but I'm not aware of what is
being discussed there.
I cared for leukemia patients for a significant
number of years.
What?
What does that have to do with the
price of bread?
What?
I don't know.

(02:35:42):
It was like this weird switcheroo.
I cared for leukemia patients.
Real important stuff.
Not this RFK Jr. nonsense.
Giving people false hope is something you should
never do.
Oh, that's the connection.
Yeah, false hope.
I care for a lot of leukemia patients
and giving people false hope is not good

(02:36:05):
because it causes issues.
That's not what we're talking about.
Nobody's giving anybody false hope about anything.
They're trying to figure out what started it.
There's always hope and I have seen miraculous
cures take place in kids who I know
personally cured from leukemia.
Cancer free.
It does happen, doctor.
Is something you should never do.

(02:36:26):
It is absolutely.
You can be incredibly supportive of people.
Wait, wait, stop.
Everything is still beside the point.
I don't care if anyone's cured for any
reason whatsoever.
False hope and finding what causes autism is
a false equivalency.
Yes.
That's not the same.
Who cares about false hope one way or
the other?

(02:36:46):
Okay, so it does work.
He's looking for a reason that this is
happening.
What is this doctor talking about?
Well, I think he's trying to discredit Bobby.
Well, he's doing a crappy job of it.
But giving them false hope is wrong.
If you just ask me as a scientist,
is it possible to get the answer that
quickly?
I don't see any possible way.

(02:37:06):
And remember, you're talking to the person who
came up with Operation Warp Speed for vaccines.
Autism is an incredibly complicated issue.
Wait a minute.
This guy came up with Operation Warp Speed
for vaccines.
This is the guy?
Well, isn't that interesting?

(02:37:27):
You may want to change your voice.
Yes, I came up with Operation Warp Speed.
I don't think you want to be broadcasting
that, bro.
So we have the issue of diagnosis bias.
We don't know how many of those cases
are true.
How much of this is true growth of

(02:37:49):
autism?
How much of this is just that we
now have diagnostic criteria?
What was Operation Warp Speed designed to do?
To ram through an unproven gene therapy disguised
as a vaccine to save people from a
cold.
It was to develop a vaccine.

(02:38:09):
That gave people hope.
And what is the fear of all the
vaccine manufacturers about autism?
That somehow these vaccines, especially the 80 that
they now give kids instead of the five
or six when I was a kid.
I'm sorry.
The troll room has other ideas.
It was to call the elderly.

(02:38:31):
Well, there's that.
But we're going to ignore all that.
But the point is, this guy is a
mouthpiece for the vaccine people.
So he is not going to do anything
that's going to encourage Bobby Kennedy in any
way, shape or form, if there's even a
suspicion that this is going to be traced
back to vaccinations.
So this guy is a bad actor who

(02:38:52):
should not even be on the Brennan Show.
Well, well, imagine that.
Imagine the mainstream media putting on someone to
defend the big pharmas.
The president of the United States said something
artificial is causing autism rates to go up.
On Thursday, he said, maybe you stop taking
something, you stop eating something, or maybe it's

(02:39:12):
a shot.
Did he say that?
Yeah, he did.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
Oh, wow.
But something's causing it.
Right after that, the HHS secretary appeared on
Fox News and dismissed 14 studies that have
shown no link between autism and vaccines.
He said it is an epidemic.

(02:39:33):
Epidemics are not caused by genes.
Genes can provide a vulnerability, but you need
an environmental toxin.
So we know that it is an environmental
toxin that is causing this cataclysm, and we
are going to identify it.
Well, that sounds reasonable.
Is there scientific evidence ruling out genetics as
a cause of ASD?

(02:39:55):
Oh, this is good.
This is so good.
What do you think his answer is?
Well, he's going to have to deflect away
from vaccination, so it has to be...
Deny, deflect, and defund or something.
Well, let's see what he says.
There's no scientific evidence ruling out genetics.

(02:40:16):
In fact, there is data that has been
published that say that genetics may contribute to
autism.
That's what he said.
Kennedy said.
The data that suggests that perhaps environmental factors
may, but one has to be incredibly careful,
incredibly careful about making associations between environmental factors

(02:40:37):
and autism.
There's a wonderful graphic that shows that Coca
-Cola increase goes along with the increase in
autism.
What?
He just threw big food under the bus.
He just threw Coca-Cola under the bus.
Hey, dude, dude, dude, hold on a second.
You know, we have Coke as an advertiser.

(02:40:58):
Could you please calm it down a little
bit over there?
But there's also a wonderful graphic that you
can find online that shows that the increase
in spending on organic food also goes along
with the rise in autism.
It was the Whole Foods.
The Whole Foods account is in jeopardy.
Stop him, Margaret.
False causality.

(02:41:20):
Scientists do not want to find false causality.
We want to find true causality.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay.
One more clip here from this.
It stood out to us that Secretary Kennedy
has hired someone named David Guyer to conduct
analysis of the links between autism and vaccines.

(02:41:41):
He was charged by the state of Maryland
in 2011 with practicing medicine without a license.
That was weeks after his father's medical license
was suspended for putting autistic children at risk
by giving them a hormone blocking agent.
Wow.
You mean like a trans operation?

(02:42:03):
I mean, gender affirming health care?
So what should the public know or expect
from the work that he will do?
Wow.
She's so dramatic about this.
This woman should be off the air.
No, no, no.
I mean, you want NPR to shut down,
PBS to shut down, Margaret Brennan to get

(02:42:25):
off the air.
Yes, I want them to put us out
of business.
Well, okay.
You better get those holo books ready.
So what should the public know or expect
from the work that he will do for
the US government?
So all I can say is I would
not concede he's, to the best of my
knowledge, he's not had any training after college

(02:42:48):
in any of the sciences that we value
here.
What I think we can expect.
You mean like medical school?
Is that what he means?
Training after college?
Is that what that means?
So he didn't go to medical school?
He specifically says sciences that we value.
Oh, so like genetic studies or who knows?

(02:43:10):
Yeah, okay.
Whatever they value.
Sciences that we value here.
What I think we can expect is the
expected.
That there will be an association determined between
vaccines and autism because it's already been determined.
This is not how science is conducted.

(02:43:31):
Wow.
You should have said predetermined.
Yeah.
Because that would have had more impact.
You should have said it's already been predetermined
because that has an onerous sound to it
as opposed to determined.
He screwed up.
Yeah, he did.
He's going to get a memo on this
from Pfizer.
Hey, dude.
So I got two HHS clips.

(02:43:55):
Watch your language.
Hey, dude.
Yeah, exactly.
HHS late cutbacks.
Trump administration officials stunned local health departments across
the country when they announced in March that
they wanted to take back $11 billion in
public health grants.
Jackie Fortier with our partner KFF Health News
reports.
Local health departments have relied on the money

(02:44:16):
from the Department of Health and Human Services
for years.
The grants began during the pandemic but could
be used for other health issues such as
mental illness, addiction, and infectious diseases.
We're going to cancel 18 vaccine clinics.
That's Teresa Cullen.
She's director of Arizona's Pima County Health Department.
The department lost $1 million in the clawbacks.

(02:44:39):
HHS spokesperson Bianca Rodriguez Feliciano said the department
wants the money back because the COVID pandemic
is over.
The judge has temporarily blocked the cuts in
some states, including Arizona.
We got used to it.
After a group of state attorneys.
We got used to the money.
You can't take that away.
You gave it to us during COVID.
But Cullen says Arizona state officials told her

(02:45:01):
to stop the work the money was paying
for.
We've eliminated two and a half months of
the provision of care.
Other states, including Texas, Minnesota, and Washington also
canceled vaccine clinics they had on the calendar.
In Washoe County, Nevada, the surprise cuts mean
two contract staffers will be let go.
Their job is setting up and marketing vaccination

(02:45:21):
events, including for state-mandated back-to-school
shots for illnesses such as measles.
Okay, when I was a kid, back-to
-school meant you got a new eraser and
a new pencil and a sharpener and maybe
a pencil case.
I don't remember back-to-school shots.

(02:45:43):
Back-to-school shots.
Hey kids, it's time for your back-to
-school shots.
Lisa Lotritz is director of clinical health services
for the area.
She's canceling community vaccine drives that were scheduled
to start this summer.
Without that team, I won't be able to
do it because our core team can't be
in two places at once.
But I don't understand.
What did they do before COVID?

(02:46:05):
What were they doing?
I don't know.
I guess they weren't doing any of this
bullcrap.
Well, what shots do you need when you
go back to school?
COVID shots?
Well, probably flu, which now turns out there's
a really good Campbell clip.
I retweeted it on Twitter.
A good what?
That Dr. Campbell guy, that British guy, the

(02:46:27):
British guy who comes out and he shows
a bunch of studies and shows you know,
how something doesn't work.
And the latest is that you get 26
% better chance of getting the flu if
you got the shot.
Oh, yay.
This year is way up.
It's way up.
So you're going to get the flu for
sure if you get the shot.
Oh, that's great.
It's part two of this, I think.

(02:46:48):
That core team of nurses doesn't have time
to run the local clinic and do the
setup for community events.
Community events?
What is going on here?
Community events.
You don't need a community event.
What are you doing?
Like a like cornhole?
But what is your community event?
It's like potluck dinner.
That means they will no longer be out

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and about offering shots at churches and senior
centers.
Okay.
Come to Fredericksburg.
Please stand in front of our church and
offer shots.
Shots.
That'll be funny.
Free shots.
Free shots.
Yeah, you get shot all right.
Instead, she says, patients will have to make

(02:47:31):
an effort to come to them.
Oh, no.
Somebody please think of the children.
Bam.
Oh, John.
Very good.
Very good.
And you were worried I was going to
mess it up, but it worked out.
That was a God moment.
Perfect.
Someone that doesn't have insurance or doesn't have
access to health care, they're going to be
the ones that suffer from the cuts.

(02:47:52):
This isn't the first time in her 30
-year career that Lautritz has dealt with the
loss of funding, but she says her community
is sicker now because of budget cuts over
a decade ago.
For example, a local grant that paid for
home visits to pregnant women was eliminated.
More babies in the county are being born
with syphilis, which Lautritz says could be prevented
if that program was still around.

(02:48:14):
What?
I know.
I said the same thing.
Wait a minute.
Do we now need syphilis shots?
Like vaccines?
Well, they used to go around door to
door, but now that they've stopped going around
door to door, more babies are being born
with syphilis.
What the hell is that all about?

(02:48:35):
Wow.
I thought I had a fear-mongering clip
lined up.
You know what?
I got to tell you, that series was
definitely worth it.
Thank you very much.
Definitely worth it.
Good.
Okay.
Here was going to be my now, in

(02:48:56):
comparison, pathetic fear-mongering clip.
So it's from NBC.
I'm sad.
I mean, well, not.
I'm happy for the show, but man.
In other health news, researchers with Virginia Tech
are warning of a disease they say has
pandemic potential.
What could that be?
I like the alliteration, pandemic potential.

(02:49:20):
It's too long, but it would have been
a show title.
Pandemic potential.
What do you think has pandemic potential?
What disease did we recently hear about in
the news that we hadn't heard of for
years, but now all of a sudden has
pandemic potential?
Well, first of all, I mean, the real
one would be bird flu, but it's probably

(02:49:40):
measles.
It's called hantavirus.
You may have heard about it recently.
It's an infection that killed Gene Hackman's wife,
and it also caused three deaths in California
recently.
The virus is commonly spread throughout rodent droppings

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and urine or saliva and can cause serious
illness in humans.
How can that be?
How can that?
Does it transfer from human to human?
How can it have pandemic potential if you
get it from rat poop?
This is, this is good.
That's a question that obviously, as you play
that clip, whoever's doing the thing will ask

(02:50:23):
that question because there's journalism involved.
Well, it comes at the end.
Illness in humans, primarily affecting the lungs.
Early symptoms include fatigue, fever, muscle aches, similar
to symptoms of the flu, but late symptoms
can include coughing and shortness of breath.
38% of people who develop these respiratory
symptoms may die from the disease.
Now, this, so this is very tricky what

(02:50:46):
she did here.
So you can develop respiratory system, uh, symptoms,
just like the flu, 38% of people
who develop those symptoms can die from it
because- May, oh, wait, wait, may die.
But she says, but she's saying from, she's
making it sound like you're dying from the
virus.
No, you're dying, you're dying from pneumonia.

(02:51:09):
Yeah, you're dying from pneumonia, which is very
dangerous, but she's making it sound like rat
poop is, like 38% of people die
from rat poop.
Shortness of breath.
38% of people who develop these respiratory
symptoms may die from the disease.
Now, researchers found three hotspots of hantavirus circulation
in wildlife.
One of those is Virginia.

(02:51:29):
15 rodent species were identified as carriers, including
six species that hadn't previously been hosts.
Now, this is significant because some of those
species live in regions where traditional hosts do
not.
Meaning there's more potential for the virus to
spread quicker than thought.
Now, researchers are also able to get a
better understanding of seasonal and climate trends, like

(02:51:50):
warmer winters leading to increased rodent populations and
drier conditions, like increasing the risk of spreading
contaminated dust.
The researchers plan now to further explore how
changes in the climate can influence hantavirus transmission
and you can reduce your risk of contracting
the virus by eliminating or minimizing contact with
rodents.

(02:52:12):
Stop touching rats.
Kids, don't touch rat poop.
Minimize your risk.
You think that the people that take the
subway in New York City would be the
most susceptible?
There's more movies of hordes of rats now
currently.
How come not one person in New York
has gotten hanta?
Because it's bull crap.

(02:52:34):
It's bull crap.
The whole thing is bull crap.
And then remember, remember measles because we have
all these anti-vaxxers in America, these stupid,
stupid religious freaks who don't want MMR, MMR.
How about the Canadians?
Would you say Canadians are compliant human beings
who do what they're told with some grumbling?

(02:52:56):
They grumble.
They always grumble.
But yeah, they will do what they're told,
but they will complain.
So they take their shots.
Do they take their shots?
Do you think Canadians take their shots?
I would hope so.
Well, explain this to me.
The number of measles cases is skyrocketing in
Ontario.
We've had 34 hospitalizations associated with this outbreak,

(02:53:17):
and that's included two people who have required
care in an intensive care unit.
470 cases have been confirmed to Public Health
Ontario as of March 19th.
The largest numbers are predominantly in the southern
part of the province, with Southwestern Public Health
reporting 223 cases and Grand Erie Public Health
reporting 111 cases.

(02:53:38):
People living in those areas, including the city
of St. Thomas, are worried about the growing
spread.
People that don't want to get vaccinated, and
I don't understand that because it saves a
lot of lives.
My grandkids are older, so they're not really
affected.
They have their shots.
I'd be concerned if they were babies.
A number of measles exposures have been reported

(02:53:59):
here at St. Thomas Elgin General Hospital since
the beginning of February.
Public health officials say other people who visited
around the same time need to be aware
of these warnings because they can get infected
even hours later after the infected person left.
There are cases right across the country, most
in people who aren't vaccinated.
Because public health officials here don't know when

(02:54:20):
the peak of this measles outbreak will happen,
it's full steam ahead to reach out and
encourage people to get vaccinated who have not
already done so.
So it sounds to me like people are
getting the measles at the hospital.
It's the measles.
Oh, people.
I could do another boomer moment, but we've

(02:54:41):
done that enough about the measles.
Yeah, I think you've got the boomer thing
out of the way.
Yeah, well, it's never out of my blood.
Now that I've accepted, I've just accepted the
boomerism into my life.
Yeah, you kind of relaxed into it.
I have to because, you know, it's like,
I hear people come up to me and
say, hey, man, chill out.
I'm a millennial.
No, I'm Gen X.
My kids call me boomer.
It's just what it is.

(02:55:01):
And then I beat them and take away
their allowance.
Stupid boomer.
Okay, boomer.
I'm okay with it now.
I wear it as a badge of pride.
I wanted to go back to international stuff
here for a second.
Okay, I will give you a five minute
warning.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, let's start with Iran talks.

(02:55:24):
Yeah, that is kind of important to talk
about.
Today, the U.S. and Iran launched a
new effort to negotiate a deal to scale
back Iran's nuclear program.
In his first term, President Trump pulled the
U.S. out of an existing nuclear agreement
with Iran and now believes he can negotiate
a better one.
For more, we are joined by NPR National
Security Correspondent Greg Myrie.

(02:55:44):
Hey, Greg.
Hey, Scott.
Hey, Greg.
Hey, Scott.
What do we know about this initial round
of talks today?
So the two sides held talks for more
than two hours in Oman's capital, Muscat, and
the discussions were mediated by Oman.
Now, this was just a get acquainted session.
The sides are laying out some basics, a
framework for the talks.
And we know the key issues here.

(02:56:06):
What will the limits be on Iran's nuclear
program?
And to what extent will Iran get relief
from the tough sanctions imposed by the U
.S.? But the mere fact that they met
is certainly something unusual.
And the White House called the talks, quote,
positive and constructive.
Iran struck a similar tone and they agreed
to meet again in a week.

(02:56:26):
Let's try to sort out one possible gap
between the sides.
Iran called these indirect talks.
The Trump administration called them direct talks.
Which one is it?
Well, Scott, both, it seems.
The two sides were physically apart at this
Oman government compound and Oman's foreign minister shuttled
between them.
So indirect talks.

(02:56:47):
But at the end of the session, the
leaders of the two delegations met and spoke
briefly.
We're talking about Steve Whitkoff, Trump's Middle East
envoy and Iran's foreign minister, Abbas Aghrachi.
So it was also direct negotiations or at
least something both sides can live with.
He's characterizing that kind of in an odd
way because from what I understand, they write

(02:57:10):
a note.
Then the Oman guy takes it over to
the Iranian guys, hands of the note.
They write a note back.
It's like high school.
And then he takes it back and then
he gives it to Whitkoff.
There are no direct communications.
It's all notes being passed back and forth.

(02:57:31):
Yeah, well.
Why?
I have probably some agreement.
They can't speak the same language.
Probably has a lot to do with it.
Very onward.
Let's rewind a decade, Greg.
The U.S. and Iran reached this nuclear
agreement in 2015 under President Obama.
Trump comes into office the first time around,
says it was a bad deal, pulls out

(02:57:52):
in 2018.
How would this deal be different?
Yeah, that's the key question.
Since Trump was so dismissive of that earlier
agreement, he'll want one that he can present
as much better.
But the world has changed.
Iran has now enriched uranium to a much
higher level, about 60% purity, not quite
the level needed for a nuclear weapon, which

(02:58:12):
is around 90% purity, but close to
it, something they could get to pretty quickly.
The U.S. will have to win concessions
just to get back to the point where
we were in 2018 when Trump unilaterally withdrew.
Meanwhile, Iran is vulnerable right now.
Its economy is very weak.
Its military suffered setbacks last year in missile

(02:58:33):
exchanges with Israel.
So it could be more willing to make
compromises.
Iran says it wants to keep the talks
narrowly focused on the nuclear program.
Trump and his team have spoken of broader
goals, for example, ending Iran's support of proxy
groups in the region.
How do these negotiations with Iran fit with
Trump's broader goals in the Middle East right

(02:58:55):
now?
So Trump has been very clear that he
wants to avoid endless conflict in the Middle
East, and a nuclear deal with Iran would
certainly meet that goal, should certainly ease the
tensions.
But at the same time, Trump has been
ramping up U.S. military involvement in the
Middle East.
Today, in fact, marks four weeks since the
U.S. began a daily bombing campaign against

(02:59:17):
the Houthis in Yemen, a group that Iran
supports.
And the presence of an American aircraft carrier
in the Red Sea off Yemen and a
powerful B-2 bombers on an island in
the Indian Ocean, not that far away, is
also seen as a warning to nearby Iran.
Most analysts believe Trump is unlikely to resort
to force at this stage.

(02:59:38):
They point to these nuclear discussions.
But the president keeps warning that if negotiations
don't succeed, military force remains an option.
Oh, man.
And meanwhile, in Europe, they have this, there's
a clip is the war clip at the
bottom of the list, their war meeting in

(03:00:00):
Warsaw.
EU economic ministers have wrapped up a two
-day meeting in Poland, focused on how to
mobilize more money for defense at a time
of economic uncertainty.
Terry Schultz reports U.S. tariffs on the
EU are adding to the bloc's difficulties.
EU economic and finance ministers met in Warsaw
to discuss new ways the bloc is offering

(03:00:22):
to help the 27 member states invest more
in their own security.
These include suspending the penalties governments incur for
going into too much debt and offering loans
backed by the EU itself as long as
the money is spent on defense.
EU economy commissioner Valdis Dombrovskis says such investment
will pay off in other ways too.
Beyond enhancing Europe's security, we expect additional defense

(03:00:44):
spending to also boost competitiveness and economic growth,
drive innovation and create growth.
Dombrovskis says the 25% tariffs on EU
steel and aluminum exports that President Trump has
left in place will hurt the U.S.
more than the EU.
Oh, of course.
Of course.
Of course, it'll hurt the U.S. more.
So they're going to go into debt for
war.
Yeah, the Germans.

(03:01:05):
Heaven forbid you go into debt to save,
you know, to feed people.
From what I understand, 10 billion of it
they want to take out of the public
coffers like pensions.
Don't worry.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, yeah.
We're going to invest it in the war
economy.
It's going to be great.
Now, typically, war economy is good.
You know, you get people back into factories,
you get back into Volkswagen and Audi factories.

(03:01:28):
But yeah, you'll saddle your children up with
debt.
We know how that works.
Yeah, it adds up.
I'm still very concerned about Germany and France,
particularly Macron.
I mean, I'm going to have, hopefully I'll
have a bit of an expose about Macron
being the true antichrist.
I'm working on it.

(03:01:50):
He's a loser as an antichrist.
Let me tell you.
Well, in general, the antichrist is not supposed
to be the winner.
I think Lady Gaga's got a better shot

(03:02:13):
at it.
She's just one of Satan's helpers.
That's a different deal.
We have end of show mixes, meetups, including
a meetup report, and several nights and dames.
It's been a very good day for the
roundtable.
So lots of tasty goods for everybody who
is hanging out with us.
And of course, John's tip of the day.
But first we are going to thank the
rest of our producers who supported us with

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some treasure, $50 and above.
Yeah, sorry.
With Arthur Gobitz there in Zondam, Holland, $105.
He's got a nice little note for you.
It's written in Dutch.
Yes, he said, this is very, yeah, he
says, I'll translate on the fly.
He says a couple of shows back, you
told that your daughter is going to be

(03:02:55):
moving to Zondam.
I just wanted to say that she is
very welcome.
And as far as Sander and I, they're
both from Zondam, both producers.
If there's anything they need, any help they
want, we are here for them.
Sir Hugger of Kitties.
I love that, you know, there's, you cannot
get to a guy's heart faster than by
saying you'll take care of his daughter in

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any way.
I appreciate it.
There you go.
Yeah, that's very cool.
I appreciate it.
Brian Keefe in Sierra Vista, Arizona, $100.
William Galt, Naples, Florida, $100.
This is a switcheroo for my dearly departed
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(03:03:37):
Nancy Daschner, she would have been 64 today.
Oh goodness, way too young.
Yes, I would say so.
Sir Kubalapedia, and he's in Wisata, Minnesota, used

(03:03:58):
to be a famous place for CDs, $99
.99. Happy birthday to myself.
Uh, Kathleen Cochran in Niskayuna.
You ever heard of that?
No, not heard of Niskayuna.
Niskayuna, New York, $85.
Not heard of it.
Ah, there he is, Kevin McLaughlin.
He's down there at 8008.

(03:04:19):
He's the Archduke of Luna, lover of American,
lover of boobs.
Chris Perry, Silver Spring, Maryland, 7777.
Here's one you can read this because it's
Robin Tolbert in Topeka, Kansas, 7373, 7373.
That's a double, uh, happy birthday.

(03:04:40):
And a ham radio, ham radio donation.
And tonight, this birthday donation for John puts
me over the line for Damehood.
Please, Robin, Robin is a Dame.
Please Dame me Commodore Tolbert, Dame early turtle
of the Gethsemane, Gethsemane swamp.
I'd like stir fry and matcha tea.

(03:05:00):
Stir fry and matcha tea.
Gethsemane, mommy, money?
I thought it was Gethsemane.
Is that wrong?
It's Gethsemane.
Oh, well, whatever.
Who knows?
Well, I need to know because I'm about
to pronouncicate her.
I don't, somebody in the, in the troll
room knows how to pronounce it.
Well, I'm, I'm waiting and no one's still.

(03:05:22):
That's going to take a while.
It takes five seconds at least for them
to hear the message, let alone type.
Okay, hold on a second.
She asked for a jingle here, which I
hadn't seen.
Uh, okay.
Uh, what does she ask for here?
She says, uh, for jingles, please play.
There's no winning.
Oh, goodness gracious.
It's true.
I hadn't seen any of this pop up

(03:05:42):
there.
It's that's true.
It's that's true.
It's not, it's true.
It's that's true.
That's true.
Where's that?
That's true.
That's true.
Yes, that's true.
And yeah, karma.
Oh man.
Okay.
A lot of, a lot of stuff to
do here.
Okay.
Oh, there's no winning.
We don't like to foster a competitive atmosphere,
but we laugh a lot.
Now everyone hug and share a secret.

(03:06:05):
That's true.
Wrong one.
You've got.
Sorry.
Karma.
I tried.
You tried.
Baron Rob is up.
He's in Leiden, Holland.
73, I know 73, 73 salute you at
the Leiden meetup.
That's nice.

(03:06:26):
April 17th.
Meetups must be great.
April 17th.
Ryan.
Tepper, Tepperton, I think.
I think so.
Tepperton in Burnsville, Minnesota, 73, 73.
Another happy birthday.
John Fuller in Colorado Springs.
Another 73, 73 happy birthday.

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We're late to the party, but wishing John
the best birthday in the universe.
Mark Rudolph in Kalkaska, Michigan.
64, 46, which is a boomer donation.
Yes, it is.
There's the boomers.
The only one.
Les Tarkowski in Kingman, Arizona, which is small

(03:07:06):
boobs at 6006.
Christopher Dechter, 56, 78.
Freddie Vieira in Granbury, Texas.
54, 13.
And he wishes a happy birthday to Samantha
Vieira from Freddie and JCV.

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And now we got already at the $50
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Sir John of DMF in DMF.
I don't know where that is.
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And last on our extremely short list here

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of a total of 35 people, Alan Bean,
Baron Alan Bean in Beaverton, Oregon.
I want to thank all these people for
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Sir Andy and Dame Kylie wish their daughter
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(03:09:37):
happy birthday.
And of course, we also say happy birthday
for everybody here at the best podcast in
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Now we have a couple of Dame notes.
So we got a Dame note from NotASerialKillerKate
who got this daming donated to her.
And she says, my friend, Darth Penguin, completed
my Damehood and I would like to join

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the round table.
I would like to be known as Dame
NotASerialKillerKate.
Prosciutto and pepper jack cheese at the round
table, please, noted and done.
And then we have Lucas Williams, who has
been donating $100 a month, every month since
August 14th, 2021.
And upon my upcoming payment of April 14th,
that is tomorrow, I will have provided value

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for value in the amount of four and
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Holy cow, that's what I call sustaining donation.
Thank you so much.
He says, money well spent.
I request you bestow four knighthoods upon me
and my family.
Please knight me, Sir Lucas, foe of the
People's Republic of New Mexico, my wife, Dame
Carla, keeper of the beast, my firstborn, Dame

(03:10:41):
Avery, slayer of giants, and my daughter, Zoe,
Dame Zoe, civilizer of men.
Collectively, we request Pecos, Valley Green, chili and
strong martinis for the round table.
Please keep up the good work.
Very truly yours, Lucas Williams.
So absolutely, thank you very much.
And let's get these people up to the
round table.
Need a big blade for this whole family,

(03:11:03):
Johnson.
I got a big blade.
You got a very big blade.
All right, so Lucas Williams, Darth Penguin, Andrew
Glenn, Kate, Carla Williams.
Oh my goodness, we got so many.
Avery Williams, Zoe Williams, and Robert Tolbert.

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All of you are now dames and knights
of the Noah-Jenner round table.
I'm very proud to pronounce the following manor.
Dame, not a serial killer, Kate.
Dame Carla, keeper of the beast.
Dame Avery, slayer of giants.
Dame Zoe, civilizer of men.
Dame Early Turtle of the Gethsemane swamp.
Sir Lucas, foe of the People's Republic of

(03:11:43):
New Mexico.
Sir Darth Penguin of Loctucky.
Sir Andrew Glenn of Skell Morley, Knight of
the Drop Note.
And I ran out of tune, but I
do have for you the crusty bloomer loaf
along with unsalted butter and a jar of
Bovary.
Left hand brewery milk stout.
Nitro and Vito and Nick's Pizza with unsalted
butter and a jar.
We already got that one.

(03:12:04):
Prosciutto and a pepper jack cheese.
Pecos Valley green chili and strong martinis and
stir fry and matcha tea.
Oh yeah, we got to hookers and blow
and rent boys and chardonnay for the kids.
It's always great.
Kids love that.
And of course, mutton and meat at the
table while you're all munching around.
Get your cell phone out of your hollow
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That's where you will see you have these

(03:12:25):
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They're for knights and for dames.
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And once again, welcome to the round table,
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We had a decent gathering today.
We had a lot of like-minded folks.
Happy birthday, JCD.
Sir, PBR Street Gang, in the morning, John
and Adam, for some reason, I've developed a
list and I don't know what's from.
In the morning, Dame Trinity, having a great
time in Fort Wayne.

(03:13:27):
Looking forward to tomorrow in Indy.
These end of show tips are worth their
weight in gold.
My first wife I met at a squared
inch shindig.
The next one I met at a sock
hop.
Bingo, boom, shaka laka.
Were you telling people as a tip of
the day to meet their wives at a
sock hop?
I don't think so.
We got a couple of meetups taking place
today.
Well underway in Toronto is the Granite Brewery,

(03:13:49):
the Must Be High 16 meetup.
The Indy No Agenda Rainstick Stirred Not Shaken
meetup is underway at the Blind Isle Brewery
in Indianapolis, Indiana.
That's always a big one.
They always send in a cool read up
report.
Remember to include your servers in these meetup
reports.
You love hearing them and it helps spread
good cheer.
We have the TooManyEggs.com Keene, New Hampshire
meetup, which is also underway.

(03:14:11):
Margarita's Mexican Restaurant, Keene, New Hampshire.
You can still get there on time.
We have the Tax Day Hangover meetup.
That'll be on Thursday.
That's after tax day, two days after tax
day.
6.30 at Lincoln's Roadhouse in Denver, Colorado.
Charlotte's Thursday, third Thursday monthly meetup, seven o
'clock at Edge Tavern in Charlotte, North Carolina.
And the final one on Thursday, the Fifth
Amygdala Checkup, 7.33 borrowed Amsterdam time.

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Lokaal 1650 in Leiden, the Netherlands.
Go to a meetup at least once.
I guarantee you if you go once, it
won't be your last time.
They're a lot of fun.
You will have a lot of things in
common.
And it is the connection that you get
there that gives you protection.
They are your first responders in an emergency.
So many telegram groups and text message groups,

(03:14:55):
and everybody likes to hang out.
And you'll meet some people, maybe even your
future knight or dame.
NoagendaMeetups.com.
That's the calendar where you can go and
find one.
And if you can't find one there near
you, you can start one yourself.
It's easy and always a party.
Sometimes you wanna go hang out with all
the knights and dames.
You wanna be where you won't be.

(03:15:18):
Triggered on hell's flame.
You wanna be where everybody feels the same.
It's like a party.
I love my job and I love what
I do.
Yeah, I discovered the mystery ISO, which we
couldn't find.
You didn't know what they were talking about
in the last show?

(03:15:39):
Yeah.
That's actually your noisemaker.
It has uh-oh.
Oh, the uh-oh.
Yeah, you have it.
Where's your uh-oh?
Play it.
Uh-oh.
Yeah, that one.
That's exactly it.
People think that's like I'm starting some jingle
or something.
No, that's you.
That's all you.
Uh-oh.
It's all you.
All right, I see that you once again
have a slew of ISOs, probably all AI

(03:16:04):
made.
Why don't we start with yours?
Because I'm so tired of going first.
What do you have?
Well, I'm always going first.
You go first today.
Okay, let's start at the top with Dag.
Dag Nabbit, another winner of a show.

(03:16:24):
Yeah, that's not bad.
Although I'm tired of Carl.
That's Carl.
Carl.
What else you got?
Flash.
Wow, that made me want to flash the
hosts.
You're running out of ideas, John.
Okay.
I have some lewd ones I never put
on.
Yeah, and what's your last one?

(03:16:44):
What?
What?
It's already over?
Well, well, let me see.
I have some real ones, you know, like
OG, like actually did some work.
Be awesome.
Yeah, how about that?
Be awesome.
Huh?
No good?
Oh, God.
No good?
You're a boomer.
This, I think I actually have a winner
here.
We live in an era where podcasters have

(03:17:05):
a lot of power.
Come on, man.
That's a good one.
That's a good one.
I don't care for it.
We live in an era where podcasters have
a lot of power.
I could just start there.
I could just say here's like, uh.
Podcasters have a lot of power.
I could start there.
No, I guess not.
Okay, if you want to do that, I'll

(03:17:26):
let you have it.
We do.
Tons of power.
And now, everybody, the power will be shown
to you in John's tip of the day.
We all love it.
Great advice for you and me.
Just a tip with JCB.
And sometimes Adam.
Created by David Brin.
First of all, we have to do a

(03:17:48):
clarification on the last.
This is happening more and more.
Uh-oh.
Your tip is no good.
Why?
Your tips are always good.
What's wrong with your tip?
Well, people make a good point because of
the, it wouldn't have probably come up if
I hadn't mentioned the tethering issue.
The little bitty one that has a little

(03:18:09):
spring-loaded breaker on it.
It's a very, which is one of the,
we're talking about the window breaker.
Oh, yes.
The orange thing that cuts the seatbelt and
breaks the window.
Yes.
Yeah, there's a, there's a version that is
not a hammer, but a spring, excuse me,
a spring-loaded little thing that I have

(03:18:29):
one guy.
Two guys have said they prefer this because
it's on the key chain.
So when your car flips over, whatever happens,
you can always get to the key fob.
Because it's in the ignition.
Although with newer cars.
They're not in the ignition.
They're not in the ignition.
So it doesn't work with new cars.
But it's beside the point.

(03:18:51):
One guy says that he has taken this
thing and taken it to junk yards and
tested it on glass.
Yeah.
Now I'm tempted to call a few junk
yards up and ask if I can do
this.
And tried it and it does break the
glass.
Well, surprise.
Surprise, surprise.
You know, there's, there, there's a device that

(03:19:11):
I've seen thieves use on YouTube.
And it's like a handheld device, like a
pen.
And you hold it up against the window
and it just shoots a little tip out
and it breaks it.
That would be something you could actually just
slip in your pocket.
Have you seen those?
No, I haven't.
But this is very similar device.
It's not a pen.

(03:19:33):
I don't know.
Whatever the case, people should definitely have some,
some device or other.
Now we have another one that's going to
create the same issue.
Controversy, controversy, controversy.
And I would, I've been carrying one of
these around for, I don't know, five or
six years.
I noticed that.
Ah, switchblade.

(03:19:53):
You don't carry around a switchblade?
I'd cut you.
I'm going to cut you.
And I noticed that when I drove the
big fire engine you brought up earlier at
the Brunetti ranch, it was, you know, he
had to have one, bring one of these
out to start the thing.
This is the solid state battery charger and
battery replacement.

(03:20:14):
This is a solid state battery, a jump
starter.
You can buy these.
You look up, I would say, a jump,
solid state jump starter.
You look it up on Amazon.
Unfortunately, nowadays, there are so many of these
things, including the one I have, they don't
even have on the list anymore.
But these things are small.
You want to get something that's got 2

(03:20:35):
,500 to 4,000 amps, if you can
get it.
4,000 amps is good.
They have, they're very simple.
You put, hook it to the battery and
usually they have a boost mode.
If you, if they won't start, you put,
usually you start it right away.
You hook it up and then you start
the car.
If you have a dead battery, it's handy
when your battery goes dead.

(03:20:57):
And you can start the car.
And then if it won't start the car,
you can push the boost button and you
get like another, you know, 20,000 or
22,000 amps.
It's a lot of amps.
It boosts.
And these things are also interesting because they'll
probably start the car five to seven times
before they need recharging.

(03:21:18):
And they also have outputs for like, if
you want to plug your phone into it.
You don't have enough juice to charge your
phone for the next five years.
So they're very handy.
But there's a bunch of them now.
There's like, I'd say, and they're all pretty
much made by the two or three companies
in China.
There's another Chinese product.

(03:21:38):
You probably should get it while you can.
Yeah.
It might cost $40.
Woo.
There's some that are pretty cheap.
Does it have semiconductors?
Does it have any semiconductors in there?
Cause that could be, could be exempt.
Oh, it has to have, or otherwise you
can't get that kind of power out.
It should be exempt.
Now that you mention it, based on what

(03:21:59):
Letnik said.
But whatever the case is, check these out.
There's a lot of them you're going to
have to, you know, you want a couple
of things to look for.
You want to have a lot of amps
for the price because there's low amps that
cost too much.
And there's high amps that are cheap.
And then you want to make sure that
has a booster mode.
So it just gives it the full juice.
It pretty much drains the thing.

(03:22:21):
And it should have some outputs, some USB
outputs for charging miscellaneous products.
Fabulous thing.
Everyone should have one of these batteries.
Jay's got one.
I've got one.
Everybody, you know, people should have these.
Everybody needs one.
You need one.
It's important.
Boost, boost, boost.
Get your booster, boost mode, everybody.
That is a tipoftheday.net to review all

(03:22:42):
the tips of the day.
All right, more Chinese junk in the tip
of the day.
It's amazing.
How about an American product next time?

(03:23:03):
Good old-fashioned American product.
You know, something made in America.
You know, because, you know, China no good.
The asshole can't trust it.
Hey, everybody, that is it.
It's the end of our broadcast day.
You've gotten your money's worth for sure.
We've taken it all the way up to
three and a half hours, but we're happy

(03:23:24):
to do it.
We like deconstructing the media.
We like showing you the absurdity of the
absurd, where you can always experience the unexpected
on the No Agenda Show.
End of show mixes.
Jesse Coyne Nelson and brand new from David
Kekta, who doesn't know him.
And right after we're done.
Oh, it is episode 129 of Curry and

(03:23:44):
the Keeper.
Yes, I make fun of Tina and the
stuff she wears at night when she goes
to bed.
You don't want to miss that one.
Coming to you from the heart of the
Texas Hill Country in picturesque Fredericksburg, Texas.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, where I remain,
I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We return on Thursday.

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Join us here for more No Agenda.
Remember, please remember us at noagendadonations.com.
Until that time, adios, mofos, hui hui and
such.
Even just today, a missile was sent in
probably by Russia, probably by Russia, probably by

(03:24:25):
Russia to Poland, to Poland, to Poland, 50
miles into Poland.
And people are going absolutely wild and crazy.
Wild and crazy.
Wild and crazy.

(03:24:45):
We've got to get out of this stench.
No, but.
Stench?
Wild and crazy.
But.
Stench?
Wild and crazy.
Election denier from that wing of the party.
How are you reading these tea leaves?
Probably by Russia, probably by Russia.
We've got to get out of this stench,

(03:25:07):
stench, stench.
Definitely not a Republican wave, that's for darn
sure.
Even just today, a missile was sent in
probably by Russia to Poland, 50 miles into
Poland, and people are going absolutely wild and

(03:25:28):
crazy.

(03:26:13):
You're paying $12, $13, $14 an hour for
factory equipment.
And you can move your factory for an
hour for labor, hire a young 25.
That's assuming you've been in business for a
long time.
You've got to have no environmental controls, no

(03:26:33):
pollution control.
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