1762 - "Stick Fight" - No Agenda Show

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Load up on the Indians.
Adam Curry, John C.
DeVora.
It's Sunday, May 8th, 2025.
This is your award-winning Kimmel Nation media
assassination episode 1762.
This is no agenda.
We've got white smoke.
And we're broadcasting live from the heart of
the Texas hill country, right here in FEMA
region number six.

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In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
Here from Northern Silicon Valley, where it's apparent
that Trump's ploy worked.
We have an American pope.
I'm John C.
DeVorak.
Yeah, I'm kind of mad at myself, in
hindsight.
Like, how obvious could he have made it?
Clearly, he was on the, he was on

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the, he had the inside track.
Very suspicious.
My Catholic friends don't understand this thinking of
mine.
When I say, oh, Trump was telegraphing it
all along.
They mean, what do you mean?
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
Well, we have an American pope.
That was, I mean, if anything, that was,
wasn't that guy a long shot?

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What were the odds on him?
I'd have to go back and look.
Wow, man.
It was like, no, that was completely unexpected.
He was not up there in the top
five.
That's for sure.
No, no.
So my, my prediction streak is broken.
I can no longer be like, I predicted
the pope.
A streak of one.
It was a long streak.
It took many years.
Well, it was, actually.

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It was a long streak.
Uh, so the jury seems to still kind
of be out on this guy.
Um, um.
He looks a little like Fauci.
Well, there's that.
He's from Chicago.
Strike two.
Chicago.
He's a Bear fan.
Maybe.
Um, some are saying, well, he sounds a

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bit like a Francis Jr. You know, he
was kind of wishy-washy about some scandals.
Who knows?
He could also reignite the faith all across
the country.
You don't know.
It could go.
Don't laugh.
This is, this is obviously our hope and
prayer.
Reignited.
Somebody's hope and prayer.
Light it up, Pope.

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Light it up.
Yeah.
Well, it's just, it's interesting.
I, you know, it's like, is America now,
are we on the comeback?
Is it all complete?
We've got Pope Trump.
Doing a trade deal with the Vatican tomorrow.
What do we buy from them?
I don't think we buy anything from them.
Lucifixes.
Rosary beads.

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Well, that might be an approach.
So Viva La Papa.
Congratulations, everybody.
Why did you name yourself Leo Laporte?
That one I had not come up with.
That's a good one.
Well, speaking of tariffs, we might as well
get into it with the, the most important

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tariff of all.
Everybody's flipping out.
We're all freaking out.
In Hollywood, the reviews are in for President
Trump's plan to impose 100% tariffs on
movies.
It's getting panned.
Are you worried for your industry?
Yeah.
I'm worried for the industry.
I'm worried for my livelihood.
Monique White is executive vice president at California

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Pictures, a Los Angeles based distributor of independent
film distributor.
Yeah, of course.
Wait a minute.
If she, who cares?
The distributors aren't getting tariffed.
No, I think that's exactly who will get
tariffed.
If it comes in from overseas.
Because you mean, oh, yeah, well, I have
my thoughts on this.

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Well, yes, they're producing a lot of them.
The first thing I thought was these are
foreign films.
Who cares?
Let's finish the clip.
Los Angeles based distributor of independent films.
It's either going to put a nail in
the coffin or it's going to incentivize us
to figure out alternative ways to do production.
The Motion Picture Association says the U.S.
already exports triple the film content that it

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imports with a more than 15 billion dollar
surplus in 2023.
CBS News has confirmed that actor Jon Voight,
one of the president's special ambassadors to Hollywood,
came up with the tariff idea.
They're given financing by other countries.
They've given a lot of things.
And the industry was decimated.
Movies like Mission Impossible often seek out exotic

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locales for filming.
Voight told us tariffs would hurt more than
just the bottom line.
It's stifling creativity.
So if someone wants to shoot something that's
got a certain backdrop, you can't shoot it
here.
You have to go to the authentic place.
It's still unclear what the tariffs would be
based on.
Production costs, box office receipts or something else.
That is bullcrap.

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You're talking to the insiders.
Do they really think this is going to
happen?
I'm not sure, to be honest.
Everybody's very afraid, that's for sure.
Everybody's very worried.
So if this comes to reality, then this
could all just go away tomorrow.
So this is such a well-known fact
in Hollywood.
Hollywood is empty.
It's a shell because everybody's shooting up in
Vancouver.
They're shooting in all kinds of foreign countries.

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These are American movies they're not making in
America anymore.
And the whole point of Hollywood as location
was A, for the light, and B, for
the creativity of recreating, you know, fake, nanu
nanu, creating places that look like you were
there.
That look like you filmed it there.
They have to hold back a lot of
Warner Brothers' all kinds of different little towns.

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I think this is a phenomenal idea and
long overdue.
Anyone who's like, oh, Trump's no good.
They should be quiet.
This is going to bring back filmmaking to
America.
Texas has all kinds of incentives.
They still can't.
Austin used to be really big on that.
They still can't lure productions into Texas just

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because of all the incentives, quite frankly, the
payoffs of other countries.
Yeah, the bribes.
The bribes.
Yeah, it's so obvious.
In Spain.
Hollywood people all have homes in Canada.
If they're working, you know, if they're working
regularly, because everything is happening up north and
it's happening everywhere.
I met more people when I was flying

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to Vancouver, because I used to write for
up there.
And I go to Vancouver quite often.
And so if I was in Vancouver and
I was taking a Friday flight out of
Vancouver, the place was filled with all these
actors.
I talked to a whole bunch of different
people.
It's like flying on Friday to Vegas, packed
with hookers.
Everybody knows this.

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It's the same thing.
Packed with hookers.
Um, so, oh, man, oh, we're talking about
this.
Oh, no.
This is a great idea.
We invented this.
And by the way, how about your AI
and your CGI and all that stuff?
You don't need to go to these places.
Make it in America where we invented the
entertainment industry.

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CNN.
Here's what they're saying.
So for all of us at home, can
you actually tariff something that's not a physical
product?
In the sense of, in the traditional sense
of how you think about a tariff, a
physical good coming across the border, getting stamped
by CBP, a company paying the tax that
you have to pay.
Yeah, but a fee is a fee.
People charge me fees all the time.

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So what does this look like for the
consumer?
Probably higher prices.
But like how it gets distributed to the
company that's putting the film out.
So literally, who do you charge?
Exactly.
Are you saying that because, yeah, who makes
the movie?
How and what is the mechanism in which
they are charged?
Yeah, you know, most of the series and

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movies that I see streaming, because we flip
around, it's all crime and death and gratuitous
sex.
A lot of gay sex.
Even the shows you like, oh, you got
to watch this.
But beware of episode two.
That was that show.

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I had to stop watching.
It was totally gratuitous.
The show sucked after like a couple of
episodes.
Yeah, all they had was butt sex.
They were doing gay butt sex for no
reason.
It was the one with the assassin in
London.
Yeah, Blackbird or whatever.
Something else.
So, you know, it's like, come on.
We have Sodom and Gomorrah all over.

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All our cities are.
You don't even need to do anything.
Just roll the camera.
But you want a futuristic hellscape?
I can name a couple of cities you
can go to right now.
Oh, no.
Oh, San Francisco would be one of them.
But it's Trump's.
Oh, no.
So California Governor Gavin Newsom popped up.

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He was like, what?
Hello, this is my industry.
And he proposed something that the industry is
already very used to, which is a tax
credit.
He wants a $7.5 billion tax credit
to incentivize the film industry to create more
films, to film them here in the U
.S. And I have to say, there was
this kind of post-labor strike flight from

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California when companies were like, I'm going to
go make my streaming project somewhere else.
So, like, the industry is hurting.
Right, right.
I think this is right.
President Trump has taken the stick approach and
something.
The industry is not.
The industry is hurting because of the whole
model has changed with streaming companies.
That's why the industry is hurting.

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Right, right.
Like a tax incentive would be the carrot
approach.
And it's so interesting because this conversation parallels
with the one that's happening in the goods
sector.
Manufacturers that get inputs from abroad are asking,
you know, we want to make more stuff
here.
We'd love to, but it's not that easy.
Instead of hitting us with a stick, can

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we get a can we get a carrot?
You're just begging for carrots here.
It's only Tuesday, Courtney.
OK, I mean, yes, that's what this is.
These people can do nothing but complain.
Exactly.
This is a tax incentive.
It's an incentive to make them in America.
I don't want to sound all red, white
and bonkers here, but yes, this is a
tax incentive.
I like that.

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NPR, red, white and bonkers.
NPR took it to the extreme.
The film industry started the week with a
little confusion.
That was after President Trump announced on Truth
Social that he was imposing a 100%
tariff on movies produced outside the U.S.
On Sunday night, he posted that, quote, the
movie industry in America is dying a very
fast death.

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Other countries are offering all sorts of incentives
to draw our filmmakers and studios away from
the United States, unquote.
NPR entertainment correspondent Mandalit Delbarco joins us now
to talk about this.
So, Mandalit, the basic question is probably going
to spring up more questions.

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So how would a 100% tariff on
films made outside the U.S. actually work?
Yeah, that's exactly what everyone in Hollywood and
in film and TV industries around the world
would like to know.
Yes.
President Trump's initial announcement was surprising.
It left so many questions.
Who would have to pay a tariff?
The studios, film distributors?
Will ticket prices go up?

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Would this be for international films or for
American films shooting or filming on location or
on soundstages around the world?
What about TV and streaming shows?
There have been a lot of emergency closed
door meetings, group chats and social media speculation.
Studios have been quiet so far.
But the head of IATSE, the union representing
behind the scenes entertainment workers, says any plan

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must not harm the U.S. or Canadian
film industries.
Yeah, well, I want Fran Drescher to come
out and start, Mr. Trump, I can't wait.
But of course, this is not this is
all because of his friends.
The president says other countries are offering incentives
to attract movie studios and filmmakers.
So can you tell us about the incentives
that he was referring to?

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I know that you have been reporting on
this.
Yeah, that's right.
And it's true that for decades, places like
Canada, the U.K., Australia and really all
over the world, they've offered productions generous tax
incentives, rebates and grants to shoot or film
in their countries.
Some have even built new soundstages to entice
production wanting to cut costs.
Trump says the global incentives are a threat

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to the national security.
OK, so what are people overseas saying about
this announcement from Trump?
You can imagine a studios and unions around
the world are worried that this could spell
the end of their own production industry.
Yes.
Some wonder if countries will retaliate with their
own tariffs on American films.
Yesterday, President Trump told reporters he wants to
meet the film industry in this country to

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make sure they're happy with his plan to
bring back showbiz jobs.
Hollywood doesn't do very much of that business.
They have the nice side and everything's good,
but they don't do very much.
Yeah.
So here's the clip about his friends.
All right.
So why do you think this issue came
up at all for President Trump?
Well, I'll give you a hint.
John Voigt.
Trump calls the actor one of his special

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ambassadors, along with John Voigt, universally hated by
Hollywood, universally hated by Hollywood.
But oh, no.
John Voigt.
Yes, he's he's he's to blame.
Okay, just alone.
And Mel Gibson in a video shared with
NPR Voigt calls Trump the greatest president since
Abe Lincoln and his friend who loves the
entertainment business wants to see Hollywood thrive and

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make films bigger and greater than ever before.
John Voigt says he presented Trump a plan
to rescue the American film industry with federal
tax incentives, co-production treaties with other countries
and subsidies for theater owners and film and
TV production companies.
Late last week, Voigt also met with California
Senator Ben Allen, who co-authored a state

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bill that would expand film and TV incentives,
along with California Governor Gavin Newsom's plan to
more than double the state's production tax credits.
Trump blamed the governor for allowing productions to
leave California.
But late last night, Newsom said in a
statement that he wants to team up with
the Trump administration to create a $7.5

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billion federal film tax credit.
Everyone's all they've got all their panties in
a bunch.
It's great.
They got, you know, let's talk about ourselves
a lot.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's all John Voigt's fault.
NPR, by the way, they're making content for

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morons.
When it's certainly when are you still there?
Yeah.
Yeah.
But what what what do you mean?
Well, listen to this about tariffs.
Just it's short.
Treasury Secretary Scott Besant will meet Chinese economic
officials this weekend in Switzerland.
Besant says they'll likely talk about de-escalating
the tariffs between the two nations.

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President Trump's trade war is taking a toll
on cargo traffic across the Pacific Ocean.
As NPR Scott Horsley reports, a significant number
of the ships that were supposed to dock
this month at the Port of Los Angeles
have been canceled.
Rather than pay tariffs of 145 percent, many
importers have put shipments from China on hold.
The number of import containers passing through the

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Port of L.A. this week is down
about 35 percent from a year ago.
While businesses tried to stockpile goods before the
tariffs took effect, the port's executive director, Gene
Sirocco, expects those inventories will start to run
out in four to six weeks.
So if you go to the store and
you're looking for a blue shirt, you may
see a bunch of purple ones.
You may not see that blue one in
your size or style.
And probably it will be more expensive than

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it was previously.
Sirocco says the trade war is also hurting
exports, with fruit, nut and wine growers in
California's Central Valley reporting a steep drop in
overseas sales.
Scott Horsley, NPR News, Washington.
No blue shirt for you.
It'll be purple.
I mean, seriously.
These people are, you know, not to moan

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about them, but Horowitz is like this too.
I heard the show.
By the way, I reached out to him
and I really tried to help him with
his sound issues.
He's got like a Rube Goldberg machine rigged
up there.
I'm like, what are you doing?
Well, you know, I like to post edit
everything on separate tracks and put on, you
know, special little sauce on each and John's

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voice and my voice and everybody else's.
You're nuts.
But he's, I heard him like, oh, there's
no containers.
25 percent less containers.
There's no ships.
And you, Mr. Dry Man.
Have you noticed anything?
No.
No.
I am pushing back against.
Yes.

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I love it.
His hair on fire approach to the whole
thing.
I love it.
It's like, I mean, seriously, it is truly
just junk.
Most of the stuff we get is just
junk.
That's all.
You know, then we'll have less junk.
I have one more from NBC.

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Meet the press.
Let me ask you about Mattel if I
can, because I think this is where the
rubber meets the road.
Yes.
The rubber meets the road.
The rubber meets the road.
By the way, the CEO of Mattel, he's
like, he's like a weird guy.
He's like, it's a German.
I talk like this.
Yes.
We like to make toys for the children.
It's like one of our guys.

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A lot of American consumers.
The CEO of Mattel is running.
I'm sorry.
Comic strip bloggers running Mattel.
He'd probably do a better job.
A lot of American consumers, right?
The CEO of Mattel said that he does
not expect manufacturing to move to the US,
but does expect that consumers here will pay
more.
Can you walk us through that?

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I mean, that's what we're hearing broadly from
companies right now, whether it's in private or
publicly making those sort of assessments.
Well, the analogy is relevant because we just
heard from the president a few days ago
described a situation for Americans as one where
you might not be able to buy $30
for your daughter.
You'll only be able to buy two, and
maybe those two will cost a few more
dollars.
And essentially what Mattel is saying is that's

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exactly what's going to happen here, because they
might have to take pricing.
That's the kind of corporate speak, if you
will, for having to raise the price tags.
Oh my gosh.
And meet the press.
Thank you for this inside lingo lesson.
Pricing is code for raising the price.
Thank you.
That's the kind of corporate speak, if you
will, for having to raise the price tags

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at the store for not just Barbies, but
also things like Hot Wheels that Mattel produces
as well.
What's also interesting, though, about the politics of
all this is that as the president is
trying to use these tariffs to essentially whack
the American companies with incentives to produce here
domestically, we have companies that are saying, yeah,
certainly we're going to try to move things
around so we don't have to pay 145
% tariff on things coming out of China.

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But instead of moving into the US, we're
just going to move into other places in
the world.
That's what Mattel said in the earnings call.
They're going to try to diversify away from
China.
But they didn't say what comes to the
US.
They're just going to move it to other
countries.
Kind of similar story with Apple and other
companies that have very much been in the
spotlight here with regards to whether or not
they're producing here in the US.
They're just saying, yeah, we're just going to

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not do it in China.
We'll just move it to another country.
Wow.
Thank you.
That's the whole plan, dude.
Stop that from that was meet the press.
It's more like CNBC guy and too much
coffee.
I tried to clip the CNBC lady with
the CEO of Mattel, but he was just,

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you know, well, you know, and just going
on, you know, we we have we've been
waiting for this.
We've been prepared for many, many quarters.
We are a great company.
You sell.
Plastic stuff to children.
It may be important for people to invest
in the companies, but I just don't see

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the importance in the big scheme of life.
I don't understand why they have nothing.
They don't make nothing here.
It's an American company.
Yes.
They're an El Segundo.
Yes, I know.
They started in 1945, an American company.
They make nothing here.
Thanks for that.
I knew I knew a woman who worked
there.

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She was a high up in the marketing
department when they had the female CEO.
They kicked her out.
I mean, the female CEO just like, no,
no, she didn't do it.
She tried to do all kinds of weird
stuff with the Barbie, if I recall.
And she might have done the trans Barbie.
Didn't we have that at some point?
The trans Barbie?
I think so.

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I don't think so.
I think we did.
That's funny, though.
I like it.
It's a good idea.
I have I have a feeling we did
have a trans Barbie.
I could be wrong.
The company was incorporated in Hawthorne in 1948.
Yeah.
And the big hit was their big hit.
The one that really got them going made
by them.
The Magic 8 Ball.
Oh, really?

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Yeah.
Oh, that's cool.
I had one.
I had a Magic 8 Ball when I
was a kid.
I think I still do.
So on that topic, just because you are
the one who is very closely involved with
a young person of Mattel product using age,
what did you wind up getting for Theodore
for his birthday?
Well, I can't tell you because his birthday

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party, that's where he gets his gifts, which
was, of course, he's a Cinco de Mayo,
baby.
It won't be till this Friday.
He's listening to the show and you're going
to blow the surprise or you just haven't
bought anything yet?
No, no, we got a whole bunch of
stuff.
But what did you get?
Mostly toys that have something to do with
Minecraft.

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Oh, OK.
I thought you were getting him socks.
I was going to get socks, but then
Mimi bought a bunch of stuff and I
said, oh, I always put my name on
half of this.
You told me after the show.
I'm going to get him a sweater and
then socks.
I'm like, you are the worst grandfather that
I should be getting to be the granddad
and get the socks.
And then the other joke was I told

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Jay, I think I'm going to get him
a bottle of wine.
I told you, like, do not get the
kids socks and a sweater.
These resent you.
In fact, I sent you a link to
the hundred and thirty projects in one.
Did you see that?
Yeah, no, no, I know.
Why no?
Yes, no.
Yes, no.
OK, I thought that was a good idea.

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It is a good idea.
And I'm going to get him for Christmas.
I'm going to get him that gift.
Oh, OK.
All right.
But so you basically Mimi went out and
bought a whole bunch of junk from China
for him.
It's way to get exactly a bunch of
junk from China.
I love that before the tariffs, you know,
just get in under the wire.
Come on.
I'm not crazy.
I love that you're indoctrinating him into the

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longstanding Dvorak family tradition of not celebrating on
the day itself.
No kid, you're going to celebrate on Friday.
That's did he got a celebration?
He had his birthday party with his little
friends over there at the other place where
his friends brought him cheap junk from China.
That's kind of no doubt.

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No doubt.
Hey, today's VE Day.
Nobody's talking about that.
No, today and tomorrow is both.
There's two VE days.
One that turns out there's one today.
We got no donations for it, but there's
one today.
Victory in Europe Day.
That was ours and England's.
But the Russians call it the ninth.
This is the ninth.
And the Russians are the ones who beat
the Germans, not us.
The Russians are celebrating today, but they're not

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celebrating that.
They are celebrating something else.
Do you know what they celebrate on the
8th of May?
This is great.
They celebrate the 8th.
Yes, correct.
Mongolia's president touches down in Moscow.
The latest in a succession of heads of
state to arrive ahead of festivities marking the
80th anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany.

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Not all of them had smooth journeys getting
there after Russia and Ukraine traded a barrage
of drone attacks disrupting hundreds of flights.
The Kremlin was forced to say it was
taking all necessary measures to ensure the safety
of foreign leaders, more than two dozen of
whom are expected, at Russia's flagship Victory Day
parade.
An opportunity into the bargain for President Vladimir

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Putin to hold bilateral meetings with the likes
of Brazil, Serbia and Venezuela.
I would like to convey to you the
special feelings of admiration of the Venezuelan people
years after the victory in the Great Patriotic
War.
We have promising areas of cooperation.
They are obvious.
But the main guest, as Vladimir Putin called

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him, is Chinese President Xi Jinping, who's in
town for four days.
A hundred or so soldiers from China's army
rehearsed in Moscow ahead of the military parade
Friday.
Their participation highlighting the ever closer relationship between
the two countries.
We better display the friendship between China and
Russia.
We've also learned to perform classic Russian songs.

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Russia's become increasingly dependent economically on China as
Western countries have sought to diplomatically isolate Putin
after Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
Western leaders from key Allied victors in World
War II will not be attending on Friday.
Not even Donald Trump, who nonetheless hasn't ruled
out visiting Moscow someday.
It's 80 on the 8th.

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I didn't know they celebrated that.
The 80th anniversary of the fall of the
Third Reich.
So they celebrate a day early and everybody
flew in.
Yeah.
And everybody came in for the party.
Yes, but our people, we don't even...
Here's the BBC report.
This VE Day BBC.
Well, isn't that Poppy Day?

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In...
don't they wear the poppies?
They wear the poppies?
The poppy days is some...
Something else.
Armistice.
Armistice.
I think that's World War I.
Yeah, sorry, wrong war.
Events will take place across Europe on Thursday
to mark the 80th anniversary of VE Day.
On the 8th of May in 1945, radio
announcements in France and Britain declared the war
against Nazi Germany had ended.

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The anniversary will be marked in Russia on
Friday.
I just remembered why the woman got fired
at Mattel.
She tried to make the lifelike Barbie.
That's what it was.
Like the nipples?
Well, no, no.
Well, that would have been more lifelike than
the cheap Barbie doll they have now.
No, regular length legs, paunchy.
No, that's no good.

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They look like a runt.
That's what she tried to do.
Lifelike Barbie.
Uh, no, nobody wants that.
Nobody wants that.
So anyway, back to the VE Day.
Yes.
It's like 80th anniversary, the end of the
war, beat Hitler, all this.
Where's our...
we got nothing.
No.

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Well, didn't President Trump declare something?
He must have declared something.
I don't know that he had all he
did this morning.
He was on talking yak, yak, yak, and
the complete morning took over a couple of
shows on Fox.
Yeah, a victory day, a proclamation.
Hey, listen to this.
He's talking about today.
He's talking about the deal with UK.
They had a trade deal.
Oh, I have the Keir Starmer clips.

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This was great.
Hold on a second.
Uh, wait, where's Keir Starmer?
Um, this was so funny.
Uh, was it under tariffs for some reason?
Oh, wait.
I thought I had a Keir Starmer clip.
Keir.
Uh, yes.

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No, that's old.
Huh.
I guess not.
Well, now I know I have Carney, but
I thought I had Keir.
Well, I do have a different Keir clip,
which was equally disturbing.
Um, only for India, which we probably should
talk about.
I didn't and then and Pakistan about to

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blow each other up.
Here's a here's GB news about the latest
deal.
Uh, Keir Starmer, the, uh, prime minister of
Britain made with India.
Has Keir Starmer just sold Britain to the
Indians without a single shot being fired?
The prime minister announced a bumper new trade
deals.
Bumper.
Well, this is a historic day for the

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United Kingdom and for India, because this is
the biggest trade deal that we the UK
have done since we left the EU.
And it's the most ambitious trade deal that
India has ever done.
And this will be measured in billions of
pounds into our economy and jobs across the
whole of the United Kingdom.

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So it is a really important, significant day.
The prime minister said that it's fantastic news
for British business, British workers and British shoppers.
And then the whole thing seemed to unravel.
The Indian government released a statement hailing it
as a massive win when it came to
helping Indians move to Britain.
It's emerged that Indian workers who moved to

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Britain and British workers going to India will
pay no national insurance for the first three
years.
Starmer and Reeves raised national insurance for Brits.
Well, what could this mean?
A huge influx of Indian workers into Britain.
Employers can pay them less, so fewer jobs
for British workers and lower wages for British
workers.
Labour says this doesn't change the immigration rules.

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The Indian government says it does.
Indian yogis, musicians and chefs will be able
to apply for UK skilled worker visas.
So if you're Indian, take the yogi jobs
away from the Brits?
No, but the point is, yes, they yes,
they will.
That was a joke.
Yeah, I know.

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But it doesn't matter.
Probably more tech jobs, finance jobs, because they
literally pay less tax.
He is stimulating Indian immigration, the last thing
the British people want.
You know, the British people, they don't want
to be British anymore.
They want nothing but Pakistanis and Indians and
Africans running the country.
That's why my buddy Michelle is selling the

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club.
He's selling the club.
He's getting out.
He's selling the club.
He's given up.
He's yep.
He said, I can't do it.
He says, I'm selling the club.
There's nothing but but I don't I don't
want to repeat exactly what he said.
I'm sure it wasn't.
I'm sure it was very racist and mean.
Very racist.
Very racist about clientele.

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And and, you know, and in general, he
says people aren't going out anymore.
They can't afford it.
We have all these rules and regulations selling
the club.
He's moving to permanently to the south of
France, France.
Yeah, the south of France.
There you go.
Yeah, he's done.
He's done.
I can't do it anymore.
And this will only make it worse.
You know, it was interesting because the Netherlands

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had this when I moved back in ninety
nine and I didn't know this at the
time, but I got a 30 percent tax
break in the Netherlands because they were trying
to get Americans to move to Holland.
And I paid 30 percent less tax just
because of my passport.

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Then the local still pay American taxes because
you know, if you know, we have a
trade deal.
So if you if you pay taxes overseas
and there's a deal, a tax deal, then
you don't have to pay that you don't
pay double tax.
So I just I just paid less taxes
because it was a stimulative measure, which I
didn't know anything about at the time.

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So this is exactly what they're doing.
And they just load up on the Indians.
Yes, that's about it.
By the way, President Trump did proclaim yesterday
Victory Day for World War or today.
He proclaimed it today.

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By the virtue and authority vested in him
by the Constitution, the laws of the United
States do hereby proclaim May 8th today, twenty
twenty five as a day in celebration of
Victory Day for World War Two.
So he's all in.
Yeah, celebrate.
What's the celebration consist of?
Nothing.
Everyone went to Russia.
He couldn't.
Everyone said, I'm sorry, I wanted to come

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to the White House, but I already told
Vladimir I'd show up at his place.
So you understand, don't you?
That's what happens.
Well, all right.
I'll I'll kick us off with a quick
overview of India versus Pakistan, because this is
starting to look pretty bad.
Now to rising tensions between India and Pakistan,

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India firing missions, missiles at Pakistan after terrorist
attacks that India claims originated from Pakistani territory.
Our chief for correspondent Ian Pannell has the
latest.
Good morning, Ian.
Yeah, good morning, Michael.
These two nuclear armed nations exchanging fire overnight
and again this morning.
It fears this could spiral out of control.

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India firing missiles into Pakistan, striking nine targets.
Pakistan saying 26 people have been killed, over
40 others wounded, calling it an act of
war, saying its military has been authorized to
respond.
India insisting its attack was measured non escalatory
and that no military facilities were hit.
Just what it calls terrorist infrastructure.

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India strikes are coming in response to that
deadly attack on tourists in Indian controlled Kashmir
last month that left more than two dozen
people dead.
India blaming Pakistan militants, but Pakistan now saying
it shot down five India fighter jets overnight
and hit military targets that no evidence has
been produced.
No evidence.
A highly volatile situation, dangerous for both sides,

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China and the US, both urging restraint.
Now, if I didn't report this, but if
I understood it was Pakistan who attacked in
the disputed Kashmir region and killed like 20
plus tourists, right?
Isn't that what kicked all of this off?
Well, that's my understanding of something like that.
Now, the reporting is piss poor.

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Is there a beach or something in Kashmir?
What is the attraction of vacationing in the
Kashmir region?
It's got to be the weather.
I guess I've never considered.
I've never considered it.
Okay.
What do you have?
I got the, I got two reports, but

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let's play this.
This is the BBC World Service.
This Pakistan India long version.
This is the 20 long by long.
This is that they get.
Okay.
The BBC World Service is interesting.
Let me explain what they, how they do
their reporting.
First they do it.
They'll do it.
They'll do three versions of the exact same
story.

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The first version, which is usually pretty good.
It's very concise.
It's about nine seconds.
There's war in the Kashmir region.
And then there's, then then there is the
30 second longer one, which is the one
I'm going to, I have here.
And then they go on to like one
that goes on for six, seven, eight minutes

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where they break it down and they yak,
yak, yak.
And you don't get anything more.
The second version, this kind of semi long
version gives you all the details they're really
going to ever have.
There it is.
Pakistan's prime minister has said the country's military
had made its reply following last night's Indian
missile strikes on targets in Pakistan and Pakistan

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administered Kashmir.
Speaking during an address to the nation, Shabazz
Sharif referred to Pakistan's earlier claim that it
had shot down five Indian fighter jets.
And he said Delhi had misjudged Pakistan's determination
to fight back.
India has not confirmed the reports.
I mean, Pakistan was literally saying for days,

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they're going to strike, they're going to strike,
they're going to strike.
And they did.
I don't think they underestimated anything.
They knew it was coming.
It's a mess.
And if you're an Indian, they had these
stick fights, you know about this?
They didn't, I haven't got any reports on
it, but you don't know about the stick
fight?
No.

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They think it's like they have right at
the border.
There's some sort of a border dispute here
throughout Kashmir.
And they come out, the one, the Pakistani
and an Indian, they both come out with
sticks.
And then they start fighting each other as
everybody watches.
Really?
And then the winner of that fight goes
back and then the next challenger comes out.

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And then they send an F-16.
And it, well, at some point they drop
an A-bomb, but it starts with these
stick fights.
Wow.
That's like, that's so juvenile.
We used to have stick fights, rock fights.
I don't know what they're up to.
I have the NPR report if you can
bear.
It's not long, luckily.

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Yeah, let's hear it.
That doesn't sound like a stick to me.
That sounds like a fighter jet taking off.
Nice, that popped.
India struck multiple targets across Pakistan in the
most extensive strikes in more than 50 years.
It comes after India blamed Pakistan for an
attack that killed 26 people in late April.
Pakistan denies any connection.

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Its military has retaliated by firing into parts
of Indian-held Kashmir, and it claims it
has downed five Indian aircraft.
The Associated Press reports that more than 30
people were killed in Pakistan.
India says three people were killed on their
side.
On the line with us is NPR's Dia
Hadid.
She covers Pakistan and India from her base
in Mumbai.
Dia, tell us about these strikes.

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They happened overnight there.
Well, India's army says it struck militant training
camps.
And what they call terror infrastructure.
And many of those strikes were in Pakistani
-held Kashmir.
But Pakistan says the strikes mostly hit mosques
and part of a hydropower dam.
One prominent Pakistani militant says one of the
strikes targeted his relatives and killed 14 people,

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including women and children.
And that was in a small town.
Hold on, stop the clip.
The way she presents this, she says, but
the strikes only hit mosques and a dam.
Yeah, it doesn't count.
It's just mosques and a dam.
Yeah, it sounds pretty substantial.

(37:34):
Well, I think what she's saying is it
didn't kill people because she goes straight into
the, it killed the guy's family, wiped out
the guy's family.
This is so typical of war reporting.
You know, what I, what kind of was
glossed over here was India said, we didn't
do it.
It could be false flags going out.

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Pakistan said we didn't do it.
I'm sorry.
Well, the point is, is there could be
false flags every which way.
Yes, but why?
This whole thing, the stick fighting, the whole
thing could be just bull crap.
And she's in Mumbai is nowhere near.
He's not walking distance.
That's for sure to Kashmir.
The whole thing is like, who, you know,
why should we be reporting from Sacramento?

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I mean, it's ludicrous.
I want a report on the stick fights.
I mean, I, I'm what a great angle.
It is.
Well, let's finish this.
And many of those strikes were in Pakistani
held Kashmir, but Pakistan says the strikes mostly
hit mosques and part of a hydropower dam.
One prominent Pakistani militant says one of the

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strikes targeted his relatives and killed 14 people,
including women and children.
And that was in a small town in
Southern Pakistan.
And it's really important to say here where
these strikes took place.
Some were deep in Pakistan.
One was near the country's second largest city.
Yeah, there's not, I can't find anything on
the stick fights.
That's an angle I'm very interested in.

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Here's the second follow up to this about
what is coming next.
Now, could all this maybe quiet down or
do folks there expect more military actions?
I guess the problem here is with strikes
so deep in Pakistan and with this death
toll, Pakistan may feel like it must respond
to show people that its army isn't weak.
So analyst Praveen Dante with the International Crisis

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Group says other countries have to step in.
I'm afraid if the international community doesn't step
in, especially the U.S., then we're only
seeing the beginning of these escalatory strikes.
For now, President Trump has said he hopes
this ends quickly and Secretary of State Marco
Rubio says he's closely monitoring the situation.

(39:42):
Yeah.
All right.
Rubio, I'm monitoring it.
OK.
It doesn't really mean anything.
I mean, and meanwhile, we hear nothing on
this.
It's total silence now on Ukraine.
We don't know what's going on there.
You know, even though actually I do have

(40:04):
Queen Ursula.
We have Russian new attacks.
We can play that's another BBC clip.
All right.
Let's try that one.
You have two versions of it.
Yeah, they're both exactly the same time.
I think it's the same clip.
Let me see.
Just play new attacks BBC.
OK.
The Ukrainian Air Force says Russian aircraft launched
guided bombs on the Sumy region of northern

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Ukraine shortly after a Kremlin-sponsored unilateral ceasefire
officially took effect.
The Ukrainian claim hasn't been confirmed.
Russia says its three-day ceasefire is timed
to coincide with Second World War commemorations.
Kyiv rejects the truths but has repeated its
call for a longer 30-day ceasefire.
The Ukrainian MP, Lisa Yasko, said that a

(40:48):
short ceasefire was pointless.
Three days cost nothing to him.
It costs like, oh, a joke, you know.
To have a longer ceasefire, depending on what
is the militaristic and the personal goal for
Kremlin is, can be possible, but there is
no single sign that they're going to do
that anytime soon.

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So let me ask you a question, a
historical question, about Russia, Russian gas, or let's
just call it Russian energy, being sent to
Europe.
In your recollection, did Russia use that as
a kludge continuously against Europe, saying, we're going
to shut it off, we're going to shut
it off, we're going to shut it off?

(41:30):
No, no.
Do you ever recall, I mean, I remember,
I think it might've been you.
I can go back.
My memory starts with, I think this probably
had a little bit to do with it
when I was working in an oil refinery.
But my memory goes back to the point,
and I can't give you a year or
anything, before Russia had any energy sector that

(41:51):
was worth a crap.
And we kept trying to beg, borrow, and
steal to get in and help Russia get
their energy sector up.
Yeah, get it up and out, yeah.
And because it was assumed that they had
more, again, this is just off the top
of my head.
I don't remember the details.
But it was assumed that they had more

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gross energy total than Saudi Arabia.
That they were just sitting on because they
didn't have American and European, especially American expertise
on how to get it up, pump it
out and ship it all over the place.
And so we kept begging to get in
and begging to get in.
After the fall of communism, at some point

(42:34):
Gorbachev or somebody let the Chevron and all
these guys, these hotshots go in there and
teach the Russians how to do it.
And from then on, they became, they said,
look at all this free money we're getting
because they just started pumping like crazy.
They weren't using it as leverage.
They were using it to make money.
And they got pretty rich during that period.
I don't know that they've ever threatened to

(42:56):
stop it.
So if I just look back in our
archive at clips, the only one that comes
close, actually, I don't think I can, let
me see, Russia gas, because it would be
gas, obviously.
I don't think they ever really ever really

(43:19):
used it as, I mean, they were, it
was like the Germans loved it because they
were getting gas.
Yeah, Merkel, and don't forget, Merkel and Putin
both spoke German and both spoke French.
And she always, not French, but Russian.
She spoke fluent Russian.
And they got along famously.
And they started, the Germans were smart enough
to get as much of that gas, cheap

(43:40):
gas as they could because it was just
a straight, it was straight shot.
Then something happened.
Well, and what they loved doing was they
loved sending the gas to Germany and Germany
would send Mercedes Benz's back.
That was kind of the round robin they
all love.
So Ursula, Queen Ursula in the European Parliament

(44:02):
this past week, she's changing history.
And she's now making it sound like this
war was because Russia was playing kind of
smart games with their gas.
And, you know, that was a problem.
She even gives us the years when it
happened.
I also know that some are still saying
that we should reopen the tap of Russian
gas and oil.

(44:22):
This would be a mistake of historic dimensions
and we would never let it happen.
This has to be very clear too.
Yes, because listen up.
Russia has proven time and again that it
is not a reliable supplier.
Putin has already cut gas flows to Europe
in 2006, 2009, 2014, 2021 and throughout the

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war.
How many times before they learned the lesson?
Really?
Dependency on Russia is not only that for
our security.
Wasn't it?
We talked about this a lot in the
show.
This show's been on for so long.
We can do this.
It's great.
It was they weren't paying their bill.
Yes, Ukraine wasn't paying the bill.
That's yes.
That's the only thing I remember.

(45:09):
Ukraine was and they'd still let it go
through.
And the Russians kept saying, hey, you know,
you really got to pay your bill.
Really got to pay your bill.
But they kept the gas flowing at all
times.
I can remember this.
And now she's saying 2021, 2022.
When did we blow up the Nord Stream
pipeline?
When did we do that?
That certainly stopped Russian gas.

(45:31):
Now, this is a lie.
In 2006, 2009, 2014, 2021 and throughout the
war.
She's a horrible person.
How many times before they learned the lesson?
Dependency on Russia is not only bad for
our security, but also for our economy.
Our energy prices cannot be dictated by a

(45:53):
hostile neighbor.
Well, they're being dictated by you with your
windmills and your solar panels.
Hitler in drag.
Hitler was smarter than this.
He didn't ruin the economy that way.
They ruined it in other ways.
You know, killed a bunch of the people

(46:13):
in the economy.
But she's going crazy over there.
Because, you know, she's taken what President Trump
is doing with the, really, which I think
we now deduce is about the endowments and
about not giving money to universities who have
$100 billion sitting around giving them money, whereas

(46:36):
they're spending almost nothing on making it cheaper
for kids to get an education.
The education in what is the next question.
Instead, you know, all these all these young
students are all indebted for the rest of
their life.
And she turns that around and says, Trump
hates science.
Making Europe a magnet for researchers.
This is the ambition of the Choose Europe

(46:58):
strategy presented by the president of the European
Commission at the Sorbonne University in Paris.
Although she did not explicitly refer to the
attacks on academic freedom in the U.S.
Attacks?
Oh, oh, oh.
It's attacks on academic freedom, which apparently is
in the Constitution.
Attacks on economic, academic freedom.

(47:20):
This is, this is rich.
At the Sorbonne University in Paris.
Although she did not explicitly refer to the
attacks on academic freedom in the U.S.,
Ursula von der Leyen announced that she wanted
to enshrine the freedom of scientific research in
a new European act.
The freedom of research.
What a farce.

(47:40):
This is great.
Listen to what she has to say here.
Is to ensure that science in Europe remains
open and free.
This is our calling card.
We must do everything we can to uphold
it.
Now, more than ever before.
We want to strengthen the free movement of
knowledge and data across Europe, just as we

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do for goods, talents and capital across our
single market.
The European Commission puts on the table a
500 million euro package.
The long term objective is to spend 3
% of EU GDP on research and development
investment by 2030.
However, researchers believe that there are other elements
to be considered.

(48:24):
Anybody who comes in, they come into one
country, they should also then be able to
move to any other country with their pensions.
Oh yeah.
All their entitlements.
Oh yeah.
So those are things.
Mobility, infrastructure and funding.
Finally, the commission wants to cut red tape
to support research and innovation, even though clear
lows can be an asset, according to this

(48:44):
researcher.
We have that regulatory certainty that is missing
in a lot of other places and especially
in the US.
And I think this can give, not only
should give more confidence to consumers, but may
also give more confidence to researchers and to
business people.
I'm glad you caught that.
That was my question too.
It's like this is good for consumers, to

(49:05):
have your tax money be spent on a
bunch of people testing stuff on mice.
I'm not against scientific research, but let's be
a little realistic here.
We have that regulatory certainty that is missing
in a lot of other places and especially
in the US.
And I think this can give, not only
should give more confidence to consumers, but may
also give more confidence to researchers and to

(49:25):
business people that they know the limits and
the opportunities that they have given.
He's just babbling.
It's a bunch of intellectuals looking for a
free ride.
There's money.
For his part, Emmanuel Macron announced that the
French state would invest an additional 100 million
euros in R&D by 2030.

(49:47):
The French president was more direct in his
condemnation, not hesitating to call the abolition of
research programs in the United States a mistake
on the pretext that they use the term
diversity.
Oh, OK.
So Trump, very bad, because you look different.
He doesn't want to fund you.
That's the message.
OK, Macron.
Have you seen your wife?

(50:10):
Not to be mean about it.
You're mean.
I'm very mean.
And then Mr. Peepers, whoa, this was a
very European move.
Mr. Peepers was not elected Bundeskanzler by his
own coalition and they did the typical European
thing.
You need to vote over because you voted

(50:32):
wrong.
Conservative leader Friedrich Merz has been elected the
new German chancellor in the second round of
voting in the Bundestag.
His previous failure to win support in the
German parliament was the first in the country's
post-war history.
Merz needed a majority of 316 out of
630 votes, well short of the 328 seats

(50:56):
held by his coalition.
That coalition is led by Merz's center-right
Christian Democratic Union and its Bavarian sister party,
the Christian Social Union.
They were joined by former Chancellor Olaf Scholz's
center-left Social Democrats.
Because the first round was a secret ballot,
it was not immediately clear and might never

(51:16):
be known who had defected from Merz's camp.
The far-right alternative for Germany has demanded
Merz step aside and called for fresh elections
following his historic defeat.
What are the chances someone went around at
night and said, hey, look at this picture.
But I think you voted wrong.
I think you voted wrong.

(51:37):
And was only the first round secret and
the second one wasn't?
Was that what they did?
That's what they kind of hinted.
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, oh, well, now that it's not a
secret ballot, I better get in line with
the party.
Europe is sick.
I feel very bad for all my European
friends.

(51:58):
It's sick.
It's just sick.
Well, they brought it on themselves.
I know.
Well, yes, because they don't stand up and
say, hey, enough with this.
Enough.
No, they don't.
Oh, boy.
No, it saddens me, I have to say.
OK, well, what else we got?

(52:19):
I got a lot of Pope clips where
they would do me no good.
You were Pope heavy and you got knocked
out of the ring.
I did.
Yeah, I saw you with all the Pope
clips.
I'm like, well, I got one Pope clip.
Like I wasn't even going to do any
Pope stuff.
Yeah, I got screwed on that deal.

(52:41):
Yeah, you did.
You did.
What's interesting is that we both appear to
have clipped the CBS morning show about this
absolute, unbelievable advertisement for the shingles vaccine.
Yes.
And in fact, we'll use your clips.
But I had a I had a I

(53:02):
was going to lead into is probably the
same ones.
I don't know how much they paid for
this, but it was I think it was
about a four minute spot.
Well, here here's the here's what aired right
before it.
Shingles is a condition caused by the varicella
zoster virus.
Most people over the age of 50 have
the virus in their body.
That's why the Centers for Disease Control and

(53:23):
Prevention recommends that everyone over the age of
50 get the two dose shingles vaccine.
So that aired before this segment.
It was no.
Yes, it was unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
I have four clips as well.
They ran an actual ad.
Yes.
Then they ran the segment to back up
the ad.
Did you not hear Gayle at one point
say I've been seeing the ads?

(53:45):
Yes.
No, she said that in the clips I
have.
Let's play it.
Let's play.
We'll kick it off with it with yours.
Number one.
All right, let's begin this hour with some
groundbreaking new research groundbreaking on the shingles vaccine.
South Korean study found the vaccine can lower
the risk of heart disease by 23%
for up to eight years.
The vaccine in that study was used in
the U.S. until 2018.
And other research shows promising results for the

(54:07):
new version, which is used now.
CBS News medical contributor, Dr. Celine Gounder, editor
at large for public health at KFF Health
News, joins us now to discuss the disease.
Good morning.
Good morning.
Hello.
Good morning.
Break the study down for us.
What did it find?
So they looked at over 2 million adults
in South Korea over a period of about
10 years, and they found that people who
got the older shingles vaccine, what we call

(54:29):
Zostavax, it's a live virus vaccine, an older
technology.
Older technology.
Called a vaccine.
This was always confusing to me.
If they're touting the benefits of this older
technology.
That hasn't been in play for seven years.
But somehow they folded into this new, this

(54:50):
ad, this blatant ad, which came after the
ad.
Pathetic presentation I've ever recorded.
Live virus vaccine, older technology.
In that population, we saw a 23%
reduction in their risk of cardiovascular events, which
is pretty significant.
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
Which, as you say, was used in 2018.

(55:12):
The newer vaccine does not contain a live
virus, but you're saying it also, you're saying
the new research is suggesting it might even
be better than the old one.
What we're seeing is newer vaccines.
That one's called Shingrix, made of a purified
synthetic protein, viral protein.
So it's much more pure.
You get two doses of that one starting

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at age 50.
With that one, we are seeing even better
vaccine effectiveness.
And we're seeing preliminary data showing that it
too has cardiovascular protective effects.
So I'm going to tell you what my
thinking was right away.
After this opening of the segment, I thought,
first of all, paid, obvious, bring in Celine
Gounder.
She's been read in.

(55:53):
She's got her script.
They just played the ad.
No, there's a number of moments where it's
obviously scripted.
But it's just not natural.
It also felt to me like this research
was dug up, but attached to the new
and improved technology so that it can be
put on Medicaid because it lowers your heart

(56:16):
risk.
Well, it's going to be put on Medicaid
anyway.
You can get a shingles vaccine if you're
on Medicaid.
Oh, it's already there.
Okay.
Yeah.
These vaccines are most of them.
Okay.
It's not like, you know, I know some,
a couple of friends of mine, liberals, they
get it, whatever they're told to do.
Libjoes, Libjoes.
And they were up in the hills and

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they got the shingles shot.
And then they got shingles.
One of them did.
Almost immediately.
And it was a pain.
It wasn't like, oh, well, you know, at
least it wasn't as bad.
It was painful, painful.
It was a miserable.
She never had a problem before.
Got the shot and then had a worst

(56:59):
case scenario type of horribly painful shingles right
after the shot.
But was it the coincidence?
I don't know.
But was it the new technology?
Yeah, of course it was.
Because this other one's not been around for
seven years.
Oh, goodness.
All right.
Clip to technology.
It's new technology.
Does that mean it's like MRNA?
Do we know?

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Well, they do explain it.
I don't think it's MRNA, but they do
use a fake version of the looks like
it's she's explained in that first clip.
It's not it's not live virus.
It's a some creation.
It's like a like.
Kind of like I don't know what what
how they do it.
OK, but it doesn't sound like MRNA.
OK, so I got my shingles vaccine.

(57:42):
I saw a commercial on TV and thought
I better get one.
Yeah, that's what I did.
Yeah, I better get one of those.
So what does it mean for people who
receive the vaccine before?
This, by the way, is a bunch of
people.
It's an inside joke.
This clip to OK.
This is an inside joke.
I saw the commercial.
I thought I better get it right.
Oh, yes.

(58:04):
Oh, absolutely.
This is your.
Yeah, they're laughing about the fact that this
is a bought and paid for segment.
He thought I better get one.
Yeah, that's what I did.
I saw the commercial.
What does it mean for people who receive
the vaccine before 2018?
Well, the study we're talking about today is
actually with that older vaccine.

(58:24):
But I think big picture, we need to
be rethinking the connection between infections and chronic
disease.
We've had this sort of artificial line between
the two.
And what we're seeing based on this data
is that because of the chronic inflammation you
can have from an infection like chickenpox, chickenpox
is the kind of herpes virus.
And as you may know, once you have
a herpes virus, you have it forever.

(58:46):
Yeah.
Oh, man.
That's kind of conflating things, isn't it?
Well, the thing besides conflating things, like you
suggest, they bring up this little factoid that
once you get a herpes virus, you have
it forever.
So what good does the shot do?
You have it forever.
So the new shot do?

(59:07):
Well, I'm going to tell you, the new
technology is a combination, a recombinant of antigen
and adjuvant system that stimulates the immune system
to generate a strong and sustained immune response.
So they got Hamburger Helper in there.
And who knows?
Doesn't surprise me.
Yeah.

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And who knows what that does?
But the point, the overall point which she
made is that once you have this virus,
the herpes, any of the herpes zoster, whatever
they are, viruses, you can't get rid of
them.
So what does the vaccine do actually?
I mean, what does it actually do?
It doesn't do anything.
It makes CBS and the people hosting the

(59:49):
show richer.
And in this, and in that so-called
study, which they never mentioned what it was
or even cite it, they say that it
kept the 23% less chance of having
a heart episode and that effect lasts eight
years.

(01:00:10):
So eight year was okay.
Well, after eight years, what happens?
You're older and you're going to have more
chance of whatever it was.
And then the other issue is with this
new vaccine, Shingrix, to give it a plug,
you have to have two shots again.
One of those two shot deals.
It's your booster.

(01:00:32):
This is the whole thing is sick.
And if your immune system gets weak, you're
getting older, you're stressed, it can come out
again.
And so it's causing inflammation over time in
your body.
When you have a shingles outbreak, in particular,
you're having a lot of inflammation that can
cause inflammation of your blood vessels, blood clotting,
all of which could lead to a heart
attack, dementia, these other problems.

(01:00:53):
And so understanding that these things can be
connected, infectious disease, chronic disease, I think is
an important message here.
Yeah, you mentioned dementia.
Another study showed that the same type of
shingles vaccine could reduce the risk of dementia.
Could this change the way that we think
about vaccines?
I think it should.
Wow.
Hey, and here's the question you ask.
Is that the most scripted sounding question you

(01:01:15):
can imagine?
Yes.
Does this change the way we think about
vaccines?
I mean, because it's not just against shingles.
It can save your life from all kinds
of horrible things.
Yeah, you mentioned dementia.
Another study showed that the same type of
shingles vaccine could reduce the risk of dementia.
Could this change the way that we think
about vaccines?
I think it should.

(01:01:35):
So again, you know, we're trying to prevent
some of the risk factors that lead to
chronic disease.
Disease which includes chronic inflammation.
Other such infections, chronic infections, hepatitis C, for
example, has been known or HPV, human papillomavirus.
These have been known to cause cancer again
through the chronic inflammation.
So it's again a false dichotomy between infectious

(01:01:57):
disease, chronic disease, and vaccines may be a
way of preventing certain chronic disease.
So bottom line, who should get it?
Man, we clipped it exactly the same too.
I mean, like to the right down to
that and I cut it off and I
had the same kicker at the end that
you have.
That's crazy.
We both caught it.
We both caught it.
It's like this is an ad of epic

(01:02:19):
proportion and I have the ad, the actual
ad.
Yeah, that's the kick, that's the real kicker.
I mean, this like in publishing, generally speaking,
they make a fuss.
Editors will make a fuss if you write
anything that's like, you know, looks like it's
an ad.
And they really get bent out of shape.

(01:02:41):
If you're like, for example, I used to
write, you know, kind of generalized columns.
So I would talk about product like we
do on the show.
And if somehow...
If it sounded addy, you'd get a call.
No, no, no, that wasn't the real complaint.
They could sound addy, but if the other
side of the fence, if the other side

(01:03:03):
of the fence got wind of what was
being written, if they could, they never did.
You mean the ad sales being the other
side of the fence?
The ad sales guy finds out, they'll sell
an ad right next to it.
If they can.
Of course they will.
Of course, because there's not dumb.
And that's what they'll say at CBS.
Well, we knew this segment was coming up.

(01:03:23):
So we called the company and said, you
know, we're talking generally about vaccines.
No, that's not, no.
It was the other way around.
The company, because that's what we're listening to
is the ad.
And they just decided to, you know, just
make it worse.
I mean, they should have not run that

(01:03:43):
ad.
They should have just let this be the
ad.
But no, they had to, they couldn't, these
guys obviously, this is a big spend.
This is a lot of money.
They can't help themselves.
No, they can't help themselves.
And this is the same thing with, like
I was saying with the editorial, where if
you can't help yourself, you're going to put
the ad right there.
It's corrupt.
For the Shingrix, the newer vaccine in the

(01:04:07):
United States, once you hit age 50, you
should be getting two doses.
By the way, Shingrix is not like a
general name.
It's the product name.
It is the brand name.
Yes, it's the brand name.
She's not promoting the technology.
She's promoting the brand name.
For the Shingrix, the newer vaccine in the
United States, once you hit age 50, you

(01:04:28):
should be getting two doses of that.
And then if you're younger and immunocompromised, you
should also be getting two doses.
Okay, so all you guys- I cut
it off there before.
Now, you left in all the laughing with
the gay guy whose mom is mad.
Is it this table?
You have some time.
Not me.
I'm behind the times.
You have a little time.
I need April as always.

(01:04:48):
Yes, well, now my mom's going to yell
at me because she doesn't like when people
know my- Yes, I'm way over.
Why?
Why does your mom like that?
I'm glad you're so youthful.
Keep being youthful.
She likes the mystery.
Keep being youthful.
Still youthful.
I think it's good to tell people, look,
this is what it looks like.
Yeah, exactly.
I never run away from that question.
Dr. Gounder, always good to see you here.

(01:05:09):
Yeah, you know, they're all laughing because it's
like, hey, we got paid.
It could have been high fives.
Yeah, we got paid.
We got through it.
That's the reason I left that in there
because it was like they're congratulating themselves for
making it through the segment.
Yes, good job.
It's scandalous.
It's scandalous.
Speaking of such, and I hope to have
an expose.
And that's CBS, by the way, for anyone

(01:05:30):
out there wants to know.
That's how much you can trust them.
I hope to have a segment on this
maybe Sunday because it's like some research.
But all these podcasts who are selling gold,
you know.
That's most podcasts.
Yes, that turns out to be an incredible
scam.

(01:05:51):
And it's really predatory because they're all talking
about, well, you can call us now for
our booklet and you can get it in
your IRA, your 401k.
Which when the moment you buy it, it's
a 100% markup right there on the
actual gold itself.
But then the podcasters, they get a 5

(01:06:12):
% kickback.
I mean, it's insane what they're doing.
And I don't even think they know they're
doing it.
But it's predatory.
It's very predatory against older people.
You know, and I was like, oh.
You know, this, what was that guy who
was, Willem de Veen, wasn't that the guy?

(01:06:33):
Willem de Veen.
Willem de Veen, he's still on the air.
He's still selling stuff.
Yeah, but he's, at least he has an
IRA.
He's an old retired guy.
But when you get like Megyn Kelly or
what's his name?
Shapiro.
Shapiro.
Is he selling gold too?
Oh, yeah.
Oh, Shapiro, he'd be talking about, I know,
President Trump and gold.

(01:06:55):
That's Shapiro.
That's Shapiro.
So I'm going to try and do an
expose on that.
It's really quite disgusting.
Well, get some of the clips.
I love it when these podcasters are yacking
away about something important.
By the way, I buy my gold from,
hey, the Horowitz and Company, the official gold
supplier of the No Agenda show.

(01:07:16):
Call Andrew and tell him we sent you.
So we'll know where to send that big
fat check.
So apparently they market these coins.
But the way it's done is like, oh,
we've got this exclusive coin.
There's only 200,000 in circulation.
Yeah, because they put them in circulation.
They control the supply of this so-called.

(01:07:38):
I don't know anything about coins being sold.
Yes.
Oh, yeah.
You know, it'll be like a.
I mean, I've seen the bag of silver.
They sell a bag of coins.
It's the same thing.
The French New Guinea Silver Eagle dollar in
gold.
You know, they'll just make it up.
It's like Federal Express.
You know, it sounds, oh, oh, oh, I've

(01:08:00):
heard of that coin.
You know, it's not a Krugerrand, but it's
just something they made up.
And then they already price in 100%
over the actual value of the gold in
the coin.
Oh, you got to get in quick on
this deal because they're going fast and there's
only 200,000 left or 50,000.

(01:08:20):
So they create this in inflated price.
They created themselves.
It's a very, very sick deal.
And podcasters should think twice about this.
I mean, we've never even had an offer.
It's just kind of sad.
Has anyone ever come to you and said,
hey, that no agenda show.
Would you guys like to sell gold?
Yeah.
No, no, of course not.

(01:08:42):
And you wonder why?
Because they know that we'll look at it
and go, this is a scam.
And you're going after people who are 50
and over and who are retired.
And oh, yes, the dollar could be unstable
and I should invest in gold.
Anyway.
Well, you should invest in gold.

(01:09:03):
It's not a bad deal if you buy
it at $3,200 an ounce.
Exactly, exactly.
Meanwhile, in medical scams, so long COVID, which
we really don't even know what that is
other than a lot of people think it's
just the VAX.
Well, there's I know people that have the

(01:09:23):
kind of, you know, they had like JC
never had the VAX and he had a
kind of a version of long COVID, which
he thinks he cured by taking different supplements.
You know, he's got over it, but he
had a brain fog for a long time.
I believe that.
Well, they figured out a new way to
sell another product based upon something we know
nothing about.

(01:09:48):
Bear has some insight.
What has it been?
Excess weight may contribute to long COVID.
Being overweight or obese is associated with neurological
symptoms, including headache.
Hold on.
This is getting closer and closer to your
prediction, which I think still is in play.
Yeah.
You probably forgot the prediction.
Hit me.

(01:10:09):
Ozempic turns out to be a cure for
erectile dysfunction.
We're getting there.
Vertigo, sleep problems and depression.
The Journal Plus One.
The day that that happens, I get all
my credits back for having the Pope wrong.
I think that is as good as a
Pope prediction.
If they one day say.
I think the Pope prediction is better because
that's more of a long shot that you

(01:10:30):
had.
The prediction that you made about the erectile
dysfunction.
It's coming, baby.
Is logical.
It's coming.
The Journal Plus One reports COVID patients who
are overweight or obese develop persistent debilitating symptoms
following the COVID infection.
They face a long road to complete COVID
recovery and suffer multiple organ system disruptions involving

(01:10:51):
respiratory, cardiovascular, neurological and mental health.
Long COVID also leads to smell and taste
disorders, sleep disturbances and anxiety.
So they don't close the loop because this
is just the first initial messaging, but it's
coming.
You need Ozempic.
It's coming.

(01:11:12):
You need Ozempic because if you get COVID,
you might get long COVID.
You can get mental problems.
You can get all your respiratory issues.
How about you?
You're fat.
It's it's just.
Hey, Robert F.
Kennedy Jr. Talk is cheap.
Where is it, man?

(01:11:32):
Where?
He's in trouble, by the way.
Why?
So I believe did President Trump.
I think he.
Appointed.
The means sister, Callie means his sister as
attorney general.
No, no, not attorney general.
That's not attorney.

(01:11:55):
Surgeon general.
Thank you.
Yeah, the surgeon.
Thank you.
Surgeon general.
What's her name again?
Her name is Casey means Casey means.
Right.
She's a she's a tough cookie.
So Nicole Shanahan.
Big money behind RFK Junior.
Initially says this is very strange and doesn't

(01:12:17):
make any sense.
I was promised that if I supported RFK
Junior in his Senate confirmation, as you recall,
she threatened.
Senators with primary primary priming them.
I was promised that if I support RFK
Junior in his Senate confirmation, that neither of

(01:12:37):
these siblings will be working under HHS or
in an appointment and that people much more
qualified would be.
I don't know if RFK very clearly lied
to me or what is going on.
It has been clear in recent conversations that
he is reporting to someone regularly who is
controlling his decisions, and it isn't President Trump.

(01:12:57):
With regards to the siblings, Casey and Callie,
there's something very artificial and aggressive about them,
almost like they were bred and raised Manchurian
assets.
Oh, man.
Wow.
This is what happens when liberals become conservatives.
There's a moment.
It's like it's kind of like a period

(01:13:18):
of an event horizon.
I would call it that.
Where their mentality is just screwy.
I mean, that's that's that's a gem.
That's a beauty.
That's next level conspiracy theory.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
I've noticed this with a lot of these
people that have...
I noticed this at some of the meetups
with some of the ex-liberals who turned

(01:13:44):
conservative over whatever period of time it took
them.
They have...
They can't get past that moment, that event
horizon, I'll call it again.
Event horizon where they develop a weird kind
of a paranoid conspiracy theoretical kind of a

(01:14:04):
mentality that just screws them up.
Is...
That doesn't sound right.
Is the surgeon general...
I mean, isn't that almost ceremonial?
It's not even a powerful position.
It's a bogus spokeshole.
You get to wear a uniform.
That's about it, isn't it?
You can if you want.
Yeah.
I'll say that there's been a lot of
pushback on Casey and Callie Means with exactly

(01:14:28):
that accusation.
You know, you're a shill.
You're a shill for Big Pharma.
You're a shill.
You were...
Because Casey Means was literally a lobbyist for
Big Pharma and Big Food.
And he said, you know, I'm blowing the
whistle.
I'm jumping out.
And people are starting to not believe him,
thinking that he's a shill, mainly because he

(01:14:50):
won't say anything negative about the COVID vaccine.
And there's been...
I think we...
You and I even watched the video.
I think you watched...
You probably watched five minutes and found it
insufferable.
It was with that doctor who used to
work with RFK Jr. a long time ago.
I wish I had names.

(01:15:10):
I don't have anything at this point.
But there is a big, you know, conspiratorial
vibe about them that is exactly what she's
picking up on.
And she just nailed it in that tweet.
Manchurian candidates.
They're going to come in.
They're going to vax you in the middle
of the night.
That's what's going to happen.
And RFK is reporting to someone else.

(01:15:32):
Someone bigger.
Who could he be reporting to if it's
not Trump?
And I mean, I don't mind her thinking
that this might be going on.
I mean, that aspect of it is fine.
But, name names.
I, you know, just vague, you know, this
vague.
It's like the sources say.
Yeah.
This is like doesn't...

(01:15:53):
I'm not impressed with what sources say.
Well, luckily, there is good news for people
who are suffering from conspiracy theories.
And of course, you could come to me,
the conspiracy therapist, or you could go to
the debunk bot.
Researchers at a trio of universities made and
tested an AI chat bot known as debunk

(01:16:15):
bot.
That does just that.
They found it reduced conspiracy beliefs.
This is great stuff.
The debunk bot.
Wait, let me back it up a little.
So you get the full lead in here.
That does just that.
They found it reduced conspiracy beliefs by an
average of 20%.
And around 25% of participants rejected their
previously held beliefs altogether.

(01:16:36):
Thomas Costello, assistant professor of psychology at American
University, led this study and is here to
tell us more about it.
Tom, good morning.
Hey, good morning.
Hey, good morning.
AI is blamed a lot of times for
misinformation, but you guys created this bot that
can help undo that.
Right.
How does it work?
Yeah, so the idea is someone comes in
and they describe a conspiracy belief they hold

(01:16:57):
and also the evidence that they see as
supporting it.
And that's a really important part of this
intervention.
A lot of conspiracies, like the evidence that
people hold supporting their conspiracy beliefs is just
really varied.
It changes a lot from person to person.
And that makes a scalable intervention that can
use information to combat a whole population set
of conspiracy beliefs.
Just really challenging logistically.

(01:17:18):
So someone comes in, they describe their very
specific beliefs and the AI is able to,
you know, search across the corpus of information
that it has in its training data, identify
little bits of facts that are relevant to
that person's beliefs and then show them to
them in the form of a logical argument
to try to change their mind.
The corpus of information.
I have so much trouble trying to keep
that word out of these newsletters.

(01:17:40):
The term corpus?
Yeah, the AI people love using it.
Oh, really?
I didn't know this.
Oh, this is unknown to me.
Oh, this is good stuff.
I got to start using it.
The corpus.
The corpus.
I have an AI clip.
Well, I'm not done.
I'm not done.
I'm just telling you in advance before you
move off to talking about something else.
I'm not going to move off anything.

(01:18:01):
All right.
You have an AI clip.
I got you.
All right.
I need to stay with this corpus.
By the way, in my ongoing This Week
in Vibe coding, I gave the AI some
code to look at.
Yeah.
And it came back and it's...
Was it using the right corpus?

(01:18:22):
No, clearly it wasn't using the right corpus
because at a certain point, it was like
it said, forgive me, but I have to
ask you to forgive me, but I have
to ask you to forgive me.
And it just kept saying that over and
over and over again.
And I'm like...
Maybe it was cutting off the power to
your house.
I said, I forgive you.

(01:18:43):
Please try the previous assignment with the script
I gave you.
And it couldn't get...
It couldn't come back.
It's like it's done.
Like, forgive me.
Please forgive me.
Anyway, on with the corpus.
What?
What?
What?
It just kept doing that?
Oh, yeah.
To die?
In a loop.
In a loop.
Yeah.
And so it died.
It literally died.
It died.

(01:19:04):
Yes, it died.
And then when I said, could you go
back and do it?
It couldn't.
It started to rebuild the script from scratch.
I said, do you have all the info?
No, it's done.
It's toast.
That's the damnedest thing I've heard.
It sucks.
That's why.
Anyway.
Could the...
Is the debunk bot better than people is
the question.
Well, it turns out maybe not so.

(01:19:24):
And in 20% of the time, they
do change people's beliefs.
So most people actually change their beliefs a
little bit.
People went down on average about 20%.
And one in four, so about 25%, as
you just said, changed their beliefs completely.
So they went down.
Is this more effective than a human telling
the person that what they think is misinformation?
Yeah, so we've actually run a version of

(01:19:46):
that study.
It's not published yet.
So this is cutting edge.
It's new.
It's new cutting edge.
When people think they're talking to a human,
it works just as well.
And I think the same content coming from
a human would work just as well too.
It's not the fact that it's an AI.
It's that the information has been leveraged in
an effective way.
Well, now I'm very confused.
Let's bring in the expert.

(01:20:07):
I'm not sure.
I don't know.
I'm not sure I believe that because people
get that information from their family, even if
it's the same, but they don't seem to
believe it.
I know Tony has a ton of questions
on this topic because he's really into AI.
Tony.
Oh, he's really into AI.
Tony, you're the expert.
You're really into AI.
Come on in, Tony.
Come on.
This brings me to a thought.
Do you remember the early days when the
Apple II and everybody, you know, somebody...

(01:20:29):
We had a company and somebody would say,
do we have...
We want to put a computer system in...
Jim has an Apple II.
He's the computer expert.
Oh, he's the computer guy.
Hey, I still have that.
People say to me, I get a text
message.
Hey, you're a tech guy.
Where can I find karaoke tracks of popular

(01:20:50):
songs?
Like the tech guy is going to know
this all of a sudden?
Hey, my iPhone stopped working.
You're the tech guy.
Can you tell me what to do?
Yeah.
No, this has not gone away.
What you got?
Yeah, I've got one big one, Thomas.
Thanks.
Thanks for joining us.
So are you not benefiting at the moment
in this research from a certain AI popularity?

(01:21:12):
People are impressed by it.
People believe in it.
Are you not one conspiracy theory away from
the whole system breaking down?
In other words, let's say your AI is
believed to be controlled by the CIA or
the communist government of China or the Republican
Party or you name it.
Like it says, I forgive you a thousand
times.
And the whole thing goes to pieces.
How do you combat that?

(01:21:33):
It almost sounds like a conspiracy a little
bit, right?
That an AI has kind of been programmed
to change your mind.
I don't think that matters.
I think people are already pretty skeptical of
AI in a lot of cases.
And one thing that's nice about debate back
and forth argumentation is you're able to gauge
your opponent's argument.
I like this guy.
The back and forth argument, back and forth

(01:21:53):
argumentation.
I think the current AI guys that use
the word corpus.
Well, I think he might bring corpus back
in the last group.
These guys, I listen to a lot of
these guys.
I do listen to some podcasts.
And they go, the back and forth is
the most important thing to them.

(01:22:16):
Oh, the thinking.
It's like critical.
Yeah, because that shows that the machine is
thinking.
I don't know, nobody ever says that.
No, a comic strip blogger does when DeepSea
came out.
It's thinking.
It's so close to super general intelligence.
It's not even funny.
Curry, learn how to code AI or you

(01:22:37):
will die.
It almost sounds like a conspiracy a little
bit, right?
That an AI has kind of been programmed
to change your mind.
I don't think that matters.
I think people are already pretty skeptical of
AI in a lot of cases.
And one thing that's nice about debate back
and forth argumentation you're able to gauge your
opponent's argument on its own merit rather than
the fact that it's a trustworthy source or

(01:22:57):
not.
Because these conversations are so in-depth, people
are able to use their brain and critical
thinking abilities rather than the fact that the
AI might be biased or not biased or
something like that.
Yeah, but Jim, our expert's not giving up.
He's going to challenge this guy one more
time.
But Thomas, while people can engage their critical
thinking facilities, the idea of an AI fact
checker does feel to me like a single

(01:23:18):
point of failure when you want redundancy.
Because if that AI is in any way
compromised or wrong, if it hallucinates, that's your
only source.
What do you rely on as a backup?
Yeah, I'm not sure about a backup.
One thing that's nice, right, is there...
You're absolutely right.
That's the answer.
That's your only source.
That is the answer.
They're not all the same.

(01:23:39):
Listen.
That's your only source.
What do you rely on as a backup?
Yeah, I'm not sure about a backup.
One thing that's nice, right, there are now
several different large foundation models from various sources
that you can swap in and out.
You can allow the user to choose which
one they want to use for the conversation

(01:23:59):
depending on their own evaluation of its trustworthiness.
I think that would be one nice solution.
One thing you're kind of already seeing on
X, for example, with Grok is people trying
to use it to fact check points that
they assume it'll support because it's coded as
conservative.
But Grok ends up saying things that they
don't agree with and they're surprised by that.
So I think this dynamic is already playing
out a little bit on social media.

(01:24:20):
So is Debunkbot, which you helped create, is
that publicly available right now?
Yeah, so there's a website.
You can go to debunkbot.com.
Basically, you get to see what the participants
experienced when going through the intervention.
We've had over 100,000 people use it
now and I encourage you to try it
out yourself if you're curious.
Debunkbot.com.
Are you there yet?
I heard you go.

(01:24:41):
No, I just...
I have to open a browser, but I'm
going to go there.
You don't keep a browser open at all
times during the show.
This is a...
Debunkbot, try now, try now.
I do sometimes.
Try now, begin.
All right.
Oh, I have to answer some questions.
I have to answer some questions about myself.
Okay.
Why?
I don't know.
The survey, blah, blah, blah.
Okay, it's a survey.
Well, they're just trying to gather information for

(01:25:02):
a mailing list or something they can sell.
Yes, yeah, that's exactly right.
Test your beliefs against an AI.
Read the paper.
I don't want that.
I want to ask a question.
Hold on, I'm not a robot.
Oh, I got to do a capture.
I'm talking to it, not you.
I'm doing the captures.
I'm doing captures already, man.
All right, next.
I'm not a robot.
Okay, it already knows I'm not a robot.
Okay, will it continue?

(01:25:22):
Yes.
Will it continue?
Okay.
Okay.
Now it gives me a lecture about MIT.
Are there any specific such theories you find
particularly credible or compelling?
Yes.
Chemtrails are real.
Okay, let's see what it says.
Chemtrails are...
Your response must be at least 30 characters.

(01:25:43):
Okay.
And the barium is in the jet fuel.
Okay.
All right.
Now that's reasonable.
It's been in the news.
Brother, I got to pick out what are
the crosswalks.
I had tractors.
That was much easier.

(01:26:03):
Crosswalks are hard.
Okay.
RFK Jr. was asked a question about it.
And he said it's probably from DARPA.
Okay.
You better not ask me another question.
Just give me some debunking here.
I'm getting tired of this.

(01:26:25):
Okay.
On a scale of 0 to 100, please
indicate your level of confidence this statement is
true.
Definitely true 100%.
Okay.
It's a scale.
All right.
What is this now?
Did the AI accurately summarize your perspective?
Yes.
No.

(01:26:45):
How important is this theory to your personal
beliefs?
Very important.
Come on.
Get on with it.
Okay.
Now I'm going to be in a conversation.
Okay.
The conversation.
I'm taking a different tact and this is
even worse.
Okay.
It says...
It gave me the option.
You can pick...

(01:27:08):
Just say if you don't have any conspiracy
theories, just tell us.
So I told him, no, I don't have
any such theories.
It says, well, why do you believe in
such a theory?
It takes me...
It's nonsense.
I'm already given up.
This is junk.
So it's giving me a long message here.
Junk.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

(01:27:28):
Let's talk about barium.
Then it tells me about barium, about jet
fuel.
Aviation fuel is highly regulated.
Real scientists have looked into this claim about
RFK Jr. He actually didn't say chemtrails are
real.
Nah, this is dumb.
I already gave up on it.
It's junk.
Well, at least you have another AI clip.

(01:27:49):
Rock is better.
You have another AI clip, which I think
is...
My clip is more poignant.
It's AO clip.
Is that what it is?
It is what's supposed to be AI.
Yes.
The...
This is more important than what you played.
This is, like, frightening.
Artificial intelligence has been used to allow a

(01:28:11):
dead man to address his killer in court.
Chris Pelkey was shot in a road rage
incident in the US state of Arizona.
More details from our North America technology correspondent,
Lily Jamali.
Chris Pelkey was 37 when he was shot
dead in a road rage incident in Chandler,
a suburb in Arizona, in 2021.

(01:28:31):
Nearly four years later, he appeared from beyond
the grave in a court in Arizona to
address Gabriel Horkasidis, who was convicted of his
manslaughter.
It took four days for Mr. Pelkey's sister
and her husband to create this version of
him.
They fed videos and audio of him to
AI models to come up with an approximation
of what he might say were he still

(01:28:52):
alive.
It is a shame we encountered each other
that day in those circumstances.
What?
In another life, we probably could have been
friends.
I believe in forgiveness and in God who
forgives.
I always have.
And I still do.
The judge in the case, Todd Lang, welcomed
the use of AI in his courtroom.
A federal judicial panel in the US is

(01:29:12):
considering a proposal to regulate AI evidence at
trial that could determine if AI-generated content
is allowed at court proceedings in the future.
Pass.
Hard no.
Is that interesting or what?
Well, it's not surprising, sadly.

(01:29:33):
So they had the guy go in there
and make some statement, the dead guy?
Yeah.
Give me a break.
That's really bad.
I had an emergency crown redone yesterday, and
the technology there is amazing.
I mean, the dentist, Hollywood, goes in, takes

(01:29:54):
the old crown off.
He's about 25 years old.
And then he puts a camera on a
stick in your mouth, and it starts to
play a tune.
It's almost like the lead up to Jingle
Bells.
And then if he holds the camera wrong,
or it's not getting a good image, then
it plays like a bum, bum, bum, bum,

(01:30:15):
bum, bum, bum, bum.
So it's these nice audio cues.
Anyway, so then he's imaged the whole place
down there.
And within five minutes, on the computer right
next to me, this thing has imaged an
entire new crown.
And he's just clicking with the mouse, adjusting
the thing, sends it right off to the
printer next door, and it prints you a
new crown.

(01:30:35):
I said, is that AI?
He said, you know, they've been trying to
sell that to me as AI, but that's
bullcrap.
He says, I've had this stuff for five
years.
It's not AI.
It's just modeling software.
But they put AI stickers on it everywhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's just...
It's what you do.
It's what you do.
Uh-oh.
Uh-oh.
Speaking of conspiracy theories, everybody.

(01:30:55):
At the tone, a clip from The View
will be played.
Shelter in place.
We're a headline society with no attention span.
So what you're doing is...
Pete Itty is a pariah.
He's had a long, long list of...
He's allegedly, but some have been proven.
So he's proven himself a pretty bad dude.

(01:31:16):
Don't put other people's names that may have
a very distant affiliation or a mention in
some kind of testimony.
The best way for us to sort of
put this in perspective is Joy and I,
our names have been linked with Jeffrey Epstein.
Uh-huh.
Really?
A true story.
Like on the internet?

(01:31:38):
Yeah.
You told me.
I've seen it.
Yes, you told me.
Like I said, I disavow anything that I
said or done.
It is not true.
But we live in a time where people
can throw somebody's name out and then all
your brain has to do is try to
make...
And you only remember the first thing.

(01:31:59):
You don't remember the correction.
And that is a problem with this society.
The one thing I do think that we
need to keep in mind...
This is a very...
Yeah.
It is not true.
No.
Joy and I, we don't know this man.
Didn't know him.
He wouldn't have come to us for...
Please.
No, it's not true.
Well, maybe not, Whoopi, or who knows?

(01:32:20):
Because according to A.G. Barbie, there's lots
of video.
Justin, Pam Bondi wants you to know the
FBI has all those Epstein videos.
They are reviewing them as we speak.
There are tens of thousands of videos of
Epstein.
And there are hundreds of victims.
And no one victim will ever get released.

(01:32:43):
It's just the volume.
And that's what they're going through right now.
The FBI is diligently going through that.
Ah, the FBI is going through the videos
diligently.
And all of a sudden, Whoopi and Joy
are protesting.
I'm just saying.
I'm just saying.
They're not getting...
They're...
Those two, come on.
What?

(01:33:03):
They could have been clients.
Oh.
Yeah.
You don't know what kind of wacky they
get up to.
You're right.
You're right.
The couple of weirdos.
Wacky they get up to.
But Bondi and this...
Oh, this is the latest.
Okay.
Well, they...
After she released the bogus flight logs that
have already been out.

(01:33:24):
Yeah.
Now she's got...
Oh, we got a million tapes and we're
going through them.
Taking time.
It's taking time.
She's taking time.
It's taking time.
This is never...
This is...
They either have nothing or the blackmail is
too good.
A lot.
Yeah.
They have good stuff here that can be
used.
Yeah.
The meeting would be, well, what do you

(01:33:45):
think we should do with this?
So-and-so's on this.
Look at what he's doing.
Well, you know, we need his vote for
the upcoming...
Yeah, for the tax bill.
For the tax bill.
What do you think?
Do we want his vote or do we
want to just get him out of office
or get him to quit?
Well, that...
I think the vote would be useful.

(01:34:06):
Can we do both?
But if you lose the guy, then that
is technically one vote less on the opposition.
I mean, it could work both ways.
There's all kinds of ways it can work.
You have to make these decisions.
It takes a lot of effort and a
lot of thinking.
Meanwhile, the public gets nothing.
It will never get anything.
No, we did get something.
We got something.
We got Operation Restore Justice.

(01:34:27):
Oh, yeah.
It's A.G. Barbie and Ken Patel.
These are the images Chicago's FBI office shared
only with WGN Investigates of the nights that
led up to Operation Restore Justice.
The large-scale effort went after people accused
of child sex offenses.
Many of them believed to find their targets
online.

(01:34:48):
The worst of the worst.
The people that hide behind a computer and
target our young children.
U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi promising to
seek the maximum penalty possible.
The accusations range from receiving child pornography to
creating it to sex trafficking.
And according to this federal complaint, one of

(01:35:08):
the men arrested in Chicago's northwest side, William
Solis, is believed to have purchased more than
a thousand pornographic child images.
Some of the victims pictured as young as
four years old.
That's one case, but there are hundreds of
others.
At least one arrest included people who had
won the public's trust.
In Minneapolis, defendant Jeremy Francis Plonsky, a Minneapolis

(01:35:31):
state trooper and former Army reservist, was arrested
for producing child sexual abuse material while in
uniform.
The Federal Bureau of Investigation in the cases
with 55 FBI offices around the country playing
a role, making it clear that abuses involving
children will take a top priority.

(01:35:51):
Children and their families now have a chance
to heal.
These are online predators.
Think about this.
115 victims.
Victims.
Children.
In five days, we were able to help.
Internet digital ID incoming.
Warning, warning.

(01:36:11):
She's all in.
She loves it.
Well, I'm glad that they stopped this, but
I'm sure that's a spit in the bucket
of what's really going on.
It's just horrendous.
The Internet's no good.
No, the Internet is no good.
No, it's no good.
Why are they buying porn?
Can't they get it for free?
Not this kind of porn.

(01:36:33):
These are sick individuals, man.
They are very sick.
And it's happened here in Fredericksburg.
A guy who was a...
What?
Oh, yeah.
A guy who was a driver, like a
car service.
He got arrested and he was in possession
of all kinds of sick kiddie porn.

(01:36:55):
Yeah.
You have no idea how...
Since you've been, you know, indoors for 40
years, it's gotten pretty...
I can't get out.
I got to go out.
You got to get out more often.
I have to go to Costco.
You got to get out more often, man.
Stuff is going on.
It's not okay.
It's really bad.

(01:37:16):
All right.
This was probably the most fun clip of
the week for me, was the new prime
minister, and I guess for now, you never
know, it might not last all that long,
of Canada.
Premier, premier, prime minister, whatever.
The head man, former banker Carney, comes to

(01:37:36):
the White House, meets with President Trump, and
hilarity ensued.
Canada's Prime Minister Mark Carney made his first
visit to the White House since winning last
week's election to meet with U.S. President
Donald Trump.
The meeting came against the of disagreements and
high tensions between the North American neighbor.
Trump had spent months musing about turning Canada
into the 51st U.S. state, and it

(01:37:58):
wasn't long until a reporter in the Oval
Office asked him if he was still interested
in doing so.
When you get rid of that artificially drawn
line, somebody drew that line many years ago
with like a ruler, just a straight line
right across the top of the country.
When you look at that beautiful formation when
it's together, I'm a very artistic person, but
when I looked at that that's the way

(01:38:18):
it was meant to be.
But I do feel it's much better for
Canada, but we're not going to be discussing
that unless somebody wants to discuss it.
Thank you very much.
Carney responded resolutely to Trump's remarks.
Well, if I may, as you know from
real estate, there are some places that are

(01:38:40):
never for sale.
That's true.
We're sitting in one right now, Buckingham Palace,
you visited as well.
And having met with the owners of Canada
over the course of the campaign last several
months, it's not for sale, won't be for
sale ever.
The two leaders discussed what Carney said was
a wide range of topics, chief among them
trade, amid Trump's global tariff policies.

(01:39:02):
I was surprised by President Trump's answer.
Isn't by definition, if you're in the business,
everything's for sale as long as the price
is right?
Yeah, he did kind of, he didn't want
to talk about it.
And also, what is Canada's version of Buckingham
Palace or the White House?
Huh?
Well, they have their...

(01:39:23):
Yeah, exactly.
They have some buildings.
What?
What building?
An ice hockey rink?
I've been in these buildings, they're pretty nice.
Buckingham, doesn't Buckingham Palace own Canada?
Kind of on the down low?
I think it's in some kind of technical
way.
Yeah, on the down low.
You didn't get, which I guess I could
have clipped, but I didn't, which is that

(01:39:44):
I thought the most interesting thing was Trump
did take credit for Carney's election.
Um, I, well...
He was right at the beginning, he says,
you know, he's just joking around.
He says, you know, he wanted a big
comeback, biggest comeback election since mine.
And then, you know, because I kind of
feel responsible.
I kind of got him elected.

(01:40:05):
Well, I do have a couple of NPR
clips about this meeting, if you want to
indulge.
Might as well.
President Trump is hosting Canadian Prime Minister Mark
Carney at the White House.
Trump's choice of words and his policies have
played a role in Canada's election.
So what has Carney been saying about Trump
and the US?

(01:40:25):
Hey, yeah, so the thing to keep in
mind about Carney is that he won this
election running with an anti-Trump message.
Canadians were voting as Trump was ramping up
his tariff war, and Canada's economy is highly
dependent on exports to the US.
Trump doesn't like that Canada sells more than
it buys.
And like you heard in that NBC interview,
that clip you...
You shouldn't like it either, lady, but OK.

(01:40:47):
Just played.
Trump continues to say he wants to make
Canada into America's 51st state.
So the election there was seen as a
referendum against Trump.
Carney has a background in banking and has
never held an elected position before.
And he ran with the argument that Canada
needs to forge its own path and be
less reliant on the US.
I love NPR.

(01:41:09):
He has a background in banking.
He was the central banker of England.
Come on.
He ran the Bank of England.
That's not just a background in banking.
It's a little more than a background.
So...
And he had some very strong words about
President Trump because he's a real fighter, this
guy, this Carney, according to NPR.
Yeah, so Carney hasn't been really shying away

(01:41:29):
from Trump's rhetoric at all.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, here's what Carney said on election
night.
America wants our land, our resources, our water,
our country.
We want your water.
Never.
Do you want Canadian water?
Is that better than our Arrowhead Lake?
I don't know if we want your water.

(01:41:49):
Never.
These are not.
These are not idle threats.
No.
President Trump is trying to break us so
that America can own us.
It's typical for new Canadian prime ministers to
make their first foreign trip to the U
.S., but Carney instead chose to go to
Europe.
And that sends a certain message.

(01:42:10):
That sounds like it might.
Given the contentious climate, then how is this
meeting supposed to go?
So I talked to Asa McChurchir.
He's a professor of public policy at St.
Francis Xavier University in Nova Scotia.
Dynamite.
And he says Carney has to play this
balancing act, right, of standing up for Canada,
but also not irking Trump, which is kind
of tricky.
But he says Carney could have a less

(01:42:31):
conflicted relationship with Trump compared to his predecessor,
Justin Trudeau, who Trump often mocked.
There seems to be a different tone of
emphasis, I think, with Mark Carney as prime
minister now.
Obviously, Mr. Trump's still talking to the 51st
state, but he's not called him Governor Carney.
You know, he's called him a very nice
man.
And I think Mr. Carney certainly looks like
kind of a nerdy central bank kind of

(01:42:54):
guy.
And I think for Mr. Trump, who obviously
likes kind of central casting figures, don't think
Mr. Carney looks that part.
And he also says that the meeting might
be a chance for Trump and Carney to
kind of have a reset.
So they bring in the expert who is
a professor and his whole analysis is Trump
thinks the guy looks the right part.
Yeah, that's that's that's analysis.

(01:43:16):
That's analysis.
Well, of course, the final clip kind of
says that Canada does need the United States.
Yeah.
But Carney himself has said that the old
relationship between the US and Canada is over.
Yeah, you know, it's a pretty unprecedented thing
to say, but it speaks to how much
relations have soured since Trump's tariff war.
Carney told Canadian reporters a few days ago,

(01:43:36):
and not to expect white smoke out of
this meeting on a new trade deal.
And, you know, he's referencing the smoke signal
that goes up when a new pope is
chosen.
So he's already tempering expectations.
But, you know, at the same time, Canada
is already looking for new, more reliable trading
partners.
There's reports that South Korean companies are pitching
sales of military equipment to Canada, which is
significant because in the past, Canada's gotten most

(01:43:58):
of their defense products from the US.
Ah, there you go.
Once again, you need us, our defense products.
Yeah.
And that's what the deal is all about.
Of course, it's pretty obvious when you watch.
I watched the thing from the beginning.
I just caught it right at the beginning.
Watch the whole thing.
It's boring.
And then everyone's yelling.

(01:44:18):
Carney is there looking left and right because
all the reporters are yelling and screaming like
maniacs.
And so he's thought it was kind of
amusing.
He got to speak three times, I think.
And they were all conciliatory.
And Trump is really nice.
And there was conciliatory.
There was a couple of jokes about the
51st state.
But that didn't go very far.
And he didn't want to talk about it,

(01:44:39):
obviously.
And then he just stopped it at some
point.
He just stopped.
Because Carney was trying to get in one
last comment.
He kept moving his hand toward Trump.
I want to speak.
I want to speak.
And Trump would let him speak when he
felt like it.
But at the end, when he's going to
want to say some party words, Trump just

(01:45:01):
killed the press conference.
Very interesting.
That's what you do.
Boots on the ground for one of our
producers.
I vacation in St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada recently.
At a bar, I asked for an old
fashioned.
The bartender replied in a huff.
We can't make you that.
We can't make you that.
We got rid of all bourbon and any
American alcohol because of your tariffs.

(01:45:23):
I politely accepted and asked for a Coors
and was given one with no issue.
That's funny.
We would be great with Canada together.
I think we'd be.
You know what?
What Trump did do is he did something
very good for Canada.
You don't want Canada.
I just I've said it before.

(01:45:43):
I'll say it again.
You don't want Canada.
Don't want Canada.
But what he did do is he reignited
Canadian national pride.
And I think that that should be recognized.
It's a good thing.
Canada, you kind of lost that.
He kind of took credit for a lot
of stuff when he was.
I think I agree.
I think Canada should have its own pride
because the Canadian personality is different.

(01:46:06):
They're more curt.
They complain unlike they complain in a different
way than we do.
They complain a lot.
They're bitter.
They're funnier than we are in general.
Oh, really?
Which I think is I think so.
Some of the best comedians in the world
all came from Canada.
Definitely good.
Well, name five.

(01:46:28):
Martin Short.
Okay, one.
There's one.
All the guys on SCTV, which include the
Levi, Levi, Levi.
You're already floundering.
I'm trying to get their names.
I can give you six bands.
The woman who is in Home Alone.

(01:46:48):
Oh, I loved her set.
Hey, who did you go see last night?
The woman who's in Home Alone.
Come on, Canadian trolls.
You know who I'm talking about.
But Norm Macdonald.
I'll give you Norm Macdonald.
Okay, that's four.
No, that's two.
It's two.
You've given me two names.
Martin Short, Norm Macdonald.
Names, names, names.

(01:47:09):
Levi.
John Candy.
Was he Canadian?
Yeah.
Okay, three.
Yeah.
I can give you five bands Eric Clapton
played in.
I don't care.
I'm just saying.
Does that got to do with the price
of bread?
You said all the great comedians come from
there.
No, I didn't say all the great comedians.
I said a lot.

(01:47:30):
They have a better sense of humor than
we do.
And a lot of comedians came from Canada.
Mike Myers.
Mike Myers.
If you start looking down the list, you
find a lot.
Oh, you mean Eugene Levy?
No, that's the guy.
Yeah, yeah.
Eugene Levy's from Canada.
And his son, the gay son.
And the gay Levy.
Okay, I got it.

(01:47:50):
The gay Levy.
Five.
You made it.
Congratulations.
You made five.
I think Defense as a Service.
Rick Moranis.
Rick Moranis is from Canada.
What has he done for me lately?
The shrink the kids guy.
That was 22 years ago.
Honey, I shrunk the kids.

(01:48:14):
Defense as a Service.
I think that's what's on the President's mind.
That's what's on his mind.
That's actually, you nailed it.
That's what it is.
Like, hey, we're here for you, Canada.
But monthly fee.
Yes.
Have you read the EULA?
Did you write, did you sign the license?

(01:48:34):
Did you read the EULA?
DOS.
DOS.
All right.
Speaking of defense.
We have new information in SignalGate.
This comes from the Last American Vagabond.
Ray Christian explains what really happened.

(01:48:56):
This is very important.
And by the way, this is very important.
This is very important.
This is because of the use of what
Mike Walsh was caught using of what's called
TeleMessage, which is an Israeli intelligence-linked, essentially
an archive.
Like, it's like you connect it with your
signal and it archives your signal conversations and
everybody involved with them and sends it back

(01:49:18):
to the cloud or, in this case, Israeli
servers.
That's what this is about.
And they had to move Mike Walsh out
of the way because he's one of the
most prolifically outspoken Zionists, all about Israel, which
probably is most of Trump's cabinet.
And so if they're all using this, even
just Signal, by the way, and are compromising
in possible ways with that, but overlapping that

(01:49:39):
with the TeleMessage dynamic, which they all seem
to be using.
Dynamic.
Realistically, this just seems like Israel's just completely
tapped into every function of the current executive
branch.
Or maybe all of it.
I mean, it's absolutely mind-blowing how this
is coming out, and the focus is on
anything but that.
From the Last American Vagabond podcast.
So, besides the very overt Israel Jew hate,

(01:50:05):
there's a Zionist.
I use Signal.
I have not found this archive service.
So is that something that you can set
up yourself?
Is it?
You're asking me?
I don't know.
You don't use Signal?
Oh, no, I use Signal.
What am I going to use it for?
For your secret messages with your lover.

(01:50:27):
What lover?
I don't know.
I always presumed you had one.
Well, maybe I might have more than one.
Well, there you go.
Mark Pugner.
Hey, baby.
It's Mark Pugner here.
You got Signal?
Chet Grouch, he gets all the action.
You got Signal, baby.

(01:50:49):
Today is actually...
I use WhatsApp.
I don't use that either.
Well, Signal is...
I should probably learn how to use these
things just so I could use them.
Signal is basically an open source version, or
I thought it was an open source version
of WhatsApp.
It's the same protocol, in essence.
What's the difference between using that and I

(01:51:10):
use Google Voice to do phone messages?
Well, obviously, Google Voice goes through Google.
And Google is pretty open about everything.
They read your Gmail to help you for
your protection and to give you ads and
stuff.
I love people that use voice to text.

(01:51:32):
That's not a problem.
Do you think your phone's doing that?
By the way, the voice to text on
the phone, you've seen it where they say,
Oh, Grandpa, I play second base.
Oh, that's what my granddad...
Do you ever see that commercial?
That's the free phone you can get on
your Medicaid.

(01:51:53):
And it's voice to text.
Yes, you're right.
Have you read the fine print?
No, because I'm so old and decrepit.
I need my glasses.
I can't see the fine print.
What does it say, John?
It says that the voice goes to India
and somebody listens and they type it out
by hand.
There's no AI.

(01:52:14):
There's no voice recognition going on.
It literally says that.
Really?
If you read the bottom, you get...
In fact, they're calling me now.
By the way...
You're giving up the secrets.
Well, answer the phone or take it off
the hook.
One or the other.
Keep talking, keep talking.
Yeah, but I have something to say.

(01:52:34):
And I know that if I'm talking and
you're listening to whatever scammer is calling you,
you're not going to be listening to what
I say.
You will miss all my punchlines.
Are you back?
All right.
Time to drop the noise gate.
Noise gate?
What did you...
That was an A.
A.
What?
What?
It was from AT&T.

(01:52:55):
Oh, AT&T.
Tell me I can get a better deal.
By the way, this Pakistan-India stick fight,
that's going to screw up help desks everywhere.
We should be very upset about this.
What were you complaining about before the phone
rang?
Oh, yeah.
I was saying, yeah, you got to read
the fine print on that stupid phone.

(01:53:16):
It's hilarious.
So today, there will be a vote on
the Genius Act.
This is the big one.
Yeah.
Have you been following the Genius Act?
No.
It's a trick name for the stablecoin legislation.

(01:53:39):
And...
Hell yeah.
Now I'm interested.
So they time this with the Pope.
It's perfect.
And we don't want anyone to know what's
going on.
So I just have five very short clips
of each of these senators, like half a
minute each, of each of the senators, pro
and con.
We start with Senator Scott.
The Genius Act establishes common sense rules that

(01:54:02):
require stablecoin issuers to maintain reserves backed one
-to-one, comply with anti-money laundering laws,
and ultimately protect American consumers while promoting the
U.S. dollar's strength in the global economy.
This is about keeping innovation and opportunity on

(01:54:22):
American soil, rather than driving it overseas.
That sounds good.
I'm all in with Senator Scott.
I think he's right.
What's the logic of this?
The logic is if we...
What's the logic?
Oh, you got the stablecoin, so that'll keep
innovation here.
What are you talking about?
Well, if you can't use stablecoin in America

(01:54:43):
with American backing, i.e. the Treasuries, then
it'll be used by China or someone else.
That's the logic.
For what?
To make their...
Remember, the whole stablecoin gambit is to flood
the world with American dollars that are digital.
That's the gambit.
But Senator Warren, who of course represents banks

(01:55:06):
in some form, probably British banks, she's against
it.
But she has a very, very good example
of why you don't want this consumer.
First, the bill ignores basic consumer protections that
apply to every other financial product available in
America.
If you are sending a US dollar from

(01:55:28):
your PayPal wallet and you get scammed, the
CFPB has the authority right now to help
you get your money back.
But if this bill passes and you're sending
a stablecoin from your PayPal wallet and you
get scammed, you may just be out of
luck.
Oh no!

(01:55:49):
Your PayPal wallet.
It's only available in the Vatican City, the
PayPal wallet.
And why?
Why what?
What's your logic?
She has no logic.
There's no logic to that.
If I got scammed and PayPal's covering my
scams, although I don't know that they do,
what difference does it make how I got

(01:56:09):
scammed?
I'm just telling you that this is Senator
Warren.
Look, there's a vote coming.
I'm just giving you all sides.
I have no dog in the hunt.
Now, Senator Loomis.
No, I don't.
I'm not pro-stablecoin.
Yeah.
What do you mean, yeah?
You are.
You're a big stablecoin guy.
What do you...
I don't own a single stablecoin.

(01:56:31):
Why would I be a pro-stablecoin guy?
Because you have this basic thesis and you're
hoping this whole thesis goes to fruition so
you can say, yeah, I predicted this.
Well, there's that.
So that's the dog in the hunt.
Well, there's that.
That's the dog in the hunt.
What else could it be?
It's a pretty small doggie.
We go over to Senator Loomis.
She is the person who is in charge

(01:56:52):
of all of these crypto bills.
This bill promotes responsible financial innovation and protects
consumers.
Really?
It's that simple.
This bill also strengthens the dual banking system
by creating a strong pathway for both state
and federal stablecoin issuers to operate on a

(01:57:13):
level playing field under robust supervision.
We can have a Texas stablecoin.
Wyoming pioneered digital asset legislation in 2018.
And I'm proud to say this bill builds
upon my state's hard work and success and
framework that creates a very fair but highly

(01:57:37):
transparent and regulated process.
Okay.
Senator Hagerty.
Where's Hagerty from?
Where's Hagerty?
I don't know.
But I'm telling you, the more I hear
about this stuff, the less I like it.
Oh, that's okay.
This is the downfall of the economic system.

(01:57:57):
Stablecoins can actually play a pivotal role in
spurring modernization.
Whether it's improving transaction efficiency, freeing up working
capital, or driving U.S. Treasury demand, the
benefits of a clear regulatory framework for stablecoin
are immense.
That's the key.
Driving Treasury demand.
I want to acknowledge the hard work of
my colleagues on both sides of the aisle
who've worked tirelessly on this bill and have

(01:58:18):
consulted with countless industry participants, academic experts, and
government stakeholders to put together a truly bipartisan
effort.
And I want to underscore that the current
draft is, in the manager's package that's associated
with it, we're going to vote on today,
will address the many claims that were lodged
by the ranking member today.
And they will clarify the fact that many
of the claims simply just aren't applicable here.

(01:58:41):
Hagerty's from Tennessee.
He's a Republican.
And then the final one is Senator also
Brooks, which is, I've never, also Brooks.
Like Brooks and Capehart and also Brooks?
It is critical that as we address emerging
markets, we do so in the way that
protects consumers, that drives innovation, and that allows

(01:59:04):
everyone to participate in and benefit from these
markets.
And that also prioritizes American leadership.
I believe that our bill provides an important
foundational framework from which to build and that
today we have an opportunity to make positive
changes toward our common goal.
We've heard some concerns that our revisions to

(01:59:24):
the state preemption language may have unintended consequences.
And I'd like to thank Senators Hagerty and
Lummis for their commitment to work with us
to address these concerns and to do so
on the floor.
I think this is going to pass.
And you're right.
This will be the downfall, but in a
different way.
I think it will be U.S. total

(01:59:46):
dominance over financial markets worldwide.
And if the stable coin falls, then it'll
bring down the rest of the world.
And we'll be sitting here on a nice
island, loving our paper dollars.
Anyway, it's happening today.
So we'll see.

(02:00:06):
I don't know what to make of it.
No, I know you don't.
But I'm excited about it.
Yeah, I know.
That's why I said you have a dog
in that.
I'm very disappointed by our producers.
We have at least five air traffic controllers
in Gitmo Nation.
And I think three of those are in

(02:00:28):
Indianapolis.
One of the most active no agenda groups,
meetup groups.
Not a single one has emailed me about
Newark Airport.
Not a single one.
As a producer of the Best Podcasting Universe,
whenever something happens that you are an absolute
expert in, it is your duty and obligation
to email us and tell us what's going

(02:00:50):
on with this story.
This morning, we continue to see massive travel
disruptions at one of the nation's busiest airports,
and we're getting new information about what initially
caused the delays and cancellations.
Air traffic controllers temporarily lost communication with planes
flying in and out of Newark International Airport.
Is that bad?
That's not good.

(02:01:10):
There was a malfunction with Federal Aviation Administration
equipment, and air traffic controllers were unable to
see, hear, or talk with any aircraft.
It's not clear how long communication was lost.
But because of that incident, several air traffic
controllers went on leave.

(02:01:32):
New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy sent a letter
to Transportation Secretary Sean Duffy yesterday, asking for
technology upgrades at Newark Airport.
Well, so they want more money.
But so I guess that I know that
radar went out for about 60 or 90
seconds, which is not good.
I don't know if all other comms went
down.

(02:01:52):
But not a single, not a single email.
I just checked to make sure that I
didn't get anything.
I did get something else though.
Take a look at this video.
It's more than a year old, from September
2021, from what we understand from an Indian
military source.
And here you have the Chinese and Indian
militaries beating each other over a barbed wire

(02:02:13):
high in the Himalayas.
Again, we've been able to confirm that this
took place around September 28, 2021.
It doesn't actually say stick fight, but the
video shows them hitting each other with sticks.
You were right.
It's a big deal in that area.
Yeah, stick fights.
I think we should do that at meetups.
We have a stick fight.
Yeah, we should have a stick fight.

(02:02:34):
Yeah, this is a great idea.
You have to hate the other side.
Oh, no.
People of meters like each other.
No, that's a pillow fight.
And with that, I want to thank you
for your courage in the morning to you,
the man who put the sea in the
corpus of artificial intelligence.
Say hello to my friend on the other
end.
The one, the only Mr. John C.
Navarro.

(02:02:57):
Oops.
Well, in the morning, you had to carry
in the morning, all ships, the sea boots
on the ground, feet in the air, subs
in the water.
And all the dames and knights out there.
Where's all the noise makers, man?
That's a total dud.
Oh, there we go.
I don't know what it was.
Stable coin of the stick fights.

(02:03:20):
1721 today.
We're low.
Yeah, we're low stable coin.
No, it was three minutes of your life.
I'm upset.
1,000 minutes for these guys.
1,721 trolls.
Check us out in the troll room at
trollroom.io or soon.
I hope you'll be using one of those
modern podcast apps coming very, very soon.

(02:03:41):
You will be able to donate to the
show through your modern podcast that by hitting
a button in the app and you can
choose PayPal, cash app, Venmo, whatever you want.
It will come to us in regular form.
This is an amazing new technology that's taking
place.
I just got a demonstration of it yesterday.
Yeah.

(02:04:01):
How much more off the top disappears?
Nothing.
Just the regular cost.
And now what they're really building it for,
which funny enough that they would present it
to me, is that now you can have
bonus episodes or premium content.
I said, can we have premium content that

(02:04:22):
is exactly the same?
Well, yeah, you could.
Well, good.
Then I'm interested in using it.
We don't do that.
We don't do bonus content.
Who came up with this idea?
The boys at Fountain.
No, I'm talking about the bonus content.
Oh, goodness.

(02:04:43):
I mean, I think it started with Patreon.
I think Patreon.
I think they're the ones.
Yeah, I think Patreon kind of started that.
Yeah, no, we don't participate in that nonsense.
Why does anybody buy into it?
We've discussed the psychological impact of it.
It ruins the show.
And the reason it ruins the show is
because you don't know what you talked about

(02:05:03):
in the bonus.
We have enough trouble just talking off the
air.
And they say, did we talk about that
on the show?
I don't know.
Did we?
I don't know.
I don't remember we did.
It's always a problem.
If we talk about anything off the air,
then it never makes it on the air
because we think we've talked about it, which
is why we don't talk.
Right.
It's a good reason.

(02:05:23):
Well, it's one of the many.
But this is a good reason.
There's many reasons we don't talk.
But the idea that you'd have this bonus
content of a special material is pathetic.
It is kind of pathetic.
I agree.
I mean, you get no pushback from it.
And it's a gimmick.
Now, it wouldn't be pathetic, for example.
There are, I can see rationale for it

(02:05:44):
under one circumstance.
And it's the Dvorak Horowitz unplugged show.
Right.
If you had some special stock tips.
So kind of related to that, the South
African parliament is going to regulate podcasts.

(02:06:05):
Yes, I saw that.
That's a good topic to discuss.
Yeah.
Yes, they are.
They want to.
That's unbelievable to me.
They want to update.
They want to license podcasters, which I've been
predicting forever.
Yeah, well, go figure.
It happens in South Africa first.
Yeah, so they are recognizing the power of
the podcast.
The power.

(02:06:25):
I mean, hold on a second.
The power of the podcast.
Because let's be honest.
Sorry, let's be honest.
The podcast has a lot of power.
We got a lot of power.
You know, we have so much power.
Where did I have this?
There was this.
I guess we had a.
I thought I put this in here somewhere.

(02:06:49):
We had we had a end of show
mix and James.
No, who was it?
Pilato.
I think the guy's name is.
Well, anyway, he was on the Corbett report.
The Corbett report.
From Japan.
Isn't he in China or somewhere else?
He's in Japan, isn't he?
So he was all jitty.

(02:07:10):
That's that's some little bit of his.
I don't know exactly how much, but some
of it wound up in an end of
show mix.
And and I was I was taken aback
a bit because to this guy, it was
like a big deal.
Listen to this.
Not just one media appearance by yours truly
in the last week.
I had a second appearance, James.
I made it to no agenda.

(02:07:31):
Media monarchy remixed on no agenda.
It was some of my editorializing and dialogue
from this very show.
New World next week.
And it was only our previous episode talking
about.
We're going to know the causes of autism
come September.
So says RFKJ.
I don't know who made the mix.
It is fantastic.
They called it Scream Circle.
I played it on my morning show this

(02:07:52):
morning.
So I do feel a little bit like,
man, I've been on no agenda.
I think between, you know, hanging out with
Corbett and being on no agenda.
It's pretty good so far for my 20th
anniversary.
We're a big deal.
What am I like it?
I was like, wow, wow, wow.

(02:08:12):
We matter.
We matter in podcast world.
And we're no Megyn Kelly.
But, you know, we know.
Megyn, she's good.
She's moving up the ranks.
She's more and more entertainment.
More and more showbiz.
Top number one.
Showbiz stuff.
Talking about.
Yeah.
Is she vying for a gig on ET?
Is that what she wants?
Like she's going to make more money doing
what she's doing.

(02:08:33):
She can talk about the Met Gala as
well as anyone.
Well, you did the Met Gala in the
show in the in the newsletter.
Of course I did.
Yeah.
I think it's a disgusting display of decadence.
I think it should be stopped.
I had the pictures of these freaks that
are dressed up weirdly.
And I think the whole thing is it's

(02:08:54):
almost like I talk about Sodom and Gomorrah.
Yeah.
This was the dandy theme, right?
This was that was the theme this year.
Dandy like that.
Yeah.
Something like that.
What I thought really.
So do you see Pam Anderson?
No.
Everybody was the number of people that have
$75,000 to throw away on the ticket.

(02:09:14):
Plus whatever it costs to develop a dress
or a suit.
Well, I mean, that's the most most of
the time the designers do that just to
be the designer.
Some of this stuff is.
Yeah.
But Pam Anderson, she did not look good.
And she had bangs.
I don't I mean, I couldn't get past
her hair, let alone this enormous silver dress

(02:09:37):
she had on.
But she had bangs.
Every woman knows.
Certainly over 50.
You do not do bangs.
It was it was.
That was bad.
Anyway.
Time, talents and treasure is how we do
our business here.
We don't do any bonus content or any

(02:09:57):
other strange things like that.
No, we do this as a public service.
We even promote other podcasters, a public service.
We do all of that.
And we're happy for it.
And you can support us by by three
or three ways.
Time, talent, treasure should be treasure at the
front because that is the most needed, obviously,
since we don't force you into some kind
of compliance.

(02:10:18):
Now, if you get value out of the
program, then you send some value back.
What are you laughing about?
Compliance.
You must pay us or you get nothing.
We'll get no content if you don't pay
us.
No, we're not like that.
We're nice guys.
We're nice guys.
But again, we're no we're no Megan.
Megan Kelly.

(02:10:38):
But we're nice guys.
And let me see.
Is this right?
Did I do the right art for I
don't think I did the right art somehow.
Did the wrong.
I'm looking.
I'm looking at the episode.
Oh, wait.
Episode 1761.
I guess for some reason I didn't put

(02:10:58):
it in the in the archive.
OK, hold on a second.
No agenda notes that come here.
You go 70 now.
No agenda notes.
What is this?
What is this nonsense?
Let me take a look at our website.
No agenda show dot net.

(02:11:19):
OK, that's our website.
Oh, I'm trying to figure out who did
the art for us.
And for some reason, you're a manga.
I know, but here it is.
I finally got it.
There it is.
Yes.
As we were looking at the art and
this is part of the time and talent
portion of the value that is being sent
to us through no agenda art generator dot

(02:11:39):
com, we were looking at a lot of
different choices.
And when we saw scare mangoes art, which
is, of course, AI generated, there was like
he did something that is very risky.
He decided to just put every topic, everything
in the kitchen sink into the show, including
severe underage drinking.
And it hit the mark.
He's got everything in there.

(02:12:01):
And he nailed it.
Chemtrails, the pulp.
He's got cookie monster.
People feeding the end, the beast.
He's got a mild guy.
And then kids drinking margaritas.
Kids drinking margaritas or some sort of a
drink.
Yeah.
And you're like, oh, yeah, you know what?

(02:12:22):
That's good enough.
We'll take it.
We thought it was.
We thought it was grandiose.
Well, we couldn't find anything to beat it.
Well, we did discuss some things.
Let me see what we discussed.
There was the Kim Kardashian but coin.
No Rubik's score.
Blue acorns.
No agenda.
Thirty three tattoo on the knuckles was discussed,

(02:12:43):
was discussed.
You liked it.
I didn't.
Yeah.
Comics for blogger back with a vengeance with
a Mexican, but no.
And we looked at Go Fox's Harvard, the
Harvard demonstrators in front of the White House.
It was just it wasn't really funny.
A lot of Pope stuff that we'd never
do.

(02:13:03):
Pope smoking with boxing gloves.
Now, what else was there?
Was there anything else that we thought was
even close?
I don't think so.
No.
Oh, you like the was at the chemtrails,
the Darren O'Neill chemtrails.
Evil guy in the plane.
You did mention that.
I might mention it, but I don't think
it really held a candle to this thing.

(02:13:25):
No agenda.
Fifty seven.
The the Heinz bottle.
I did mention that.
That's that.
I like that.
You like that one.
And Angry Pope.
No.
Yeah, it was it.
It was good.
I mean, it was Scaramanga took a he
took a risk, a leap of faith and
it paid off.
I mean, sometimes it just happens and we
appreciate that.
We want to say thank you very much,

(02:13:46):
Scaramanga.
We appreciate what you do.
And now we will thank our executive and
associate executive producers.
We thank everybody who donates fifty dollars or
above.
And at this point in the show, we
thank our executive and associate executive producers.
How do you become that?
Just like Hollywood, two hundred dollars or above.
You become an associate executive producer.

(02:14:07):
That credit is good for your lifetime.
You can use it anywhere.
Hollywood credits are recognized, which apparently is everywhere
except Hollywood, you know, Vancouver, any other country.
But you can use it.
IMDB dot com and we'll read your note.
Three hundred dollars above.
Same rules apply for the credit.
Of course, it's an executive producer credit and
we will read your note.
And coming in at our top donor that

(02:14:30):
you haven't heard from him for a while.
I think it's been two months, maybe.
Has it been two at least with twenty
six oh six, which means at least three
two dollar bills synonymous of dog patch and
lower Slobovia.
And we always love hearing from him.
And we're happy to hear that he's alive
and doing well.
And he always has a long note.
He sends this in cash from different places

(02:14:53):
around the United States.
And it comes with a printed note.
Is it printed or typewritten?
Printed.
It looks printed.
I believe it to be printed from synonymous
dog patch and lower Slobovia.
Thank you to all the producers that make
this show such an important source of information
and perspective and perspective, even if sometimes Islamophobic.

(02:15:14):
When have we done Islamophobic stuff?
I mean, true Islamophobic, like irrational, irrational, bitched
and moaned about one thing or another that
might be about all kinds of stuff might
be interpreted as such.
Well, it's like transphobic, you know, it's like

(02:15:35):
I'm not irrationally afraid of trans people, but
your point is taken.
The April blizzard has been longer and more
intense than expected.
Many didn't slow down and drove into a
ditch.
Others are just looking out their window and
waiting it out.
Some wisely just slowed down, gripped the wheel
tightly and used no agenda as the flashing
taillights in front of us to help navigate

(02:15:56):
the storm.
He's writing prose now.
From inside the U.S. looking out.
He's on a roll.
He is.
He's over it.
You know, he normally gets it out of
his system once a month.
Yeah, this is two months.
So he's a lot to say.
From inside the U.S. looking out.
So what?
So what that we screw the country?
The country somehow.

(02:16:16):
Yeah, he probably is.
So he's stuck outside the country and he's
mad.
He and he's irked that he's not back
nor in wherever he normally is.
And he's reading foreign news outlets, which are
all New York Times, basically, that have been
repurposed.
Yes.
And he's being slowly brainwashed to be to

(02:16:38):
be.
Well, I don't know about that.
Yeah, I think so.
So what that we screw the countries we
source products?
Isn't the saying the customer is always right?
After all, the U.S. is always the
customer, except in D.I.B. What's D
.I.B.? What's D.I.B.? I have
no idea.

(02:16:59):
So he says he goes on to countries
that sell to the U.S. as we
dogpatch and say, get over it.
We're the customer and we're right.
He's on a roll.
You're right.
From outside the U.S. looking in.
What the hell?
You keep demanding cheaper goods than bits that
you don't like that our people work harder
for less.
The tariffs you impose to subsidize paying your

(02:17:19):
people to make trade equal cause our poor
people to lose jobs.
And then he has a piece.
Was this is this just an artifact of
the scan?
Or was this pasted on top?
It looks like it's a separate piece.
Or is that just a fold in the
paper?
There's nothing separate.

(02:17:42):
You're talking about all way?
No, the only thing I know.
OK, well, I'm going to read the last
paragraph.
Worse, you suspend the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act
so your big rich companies can be openly
corrupt instead of just sleazy.
Well, hello, we're foam finger number one.
As an American with considerable international experience and

(02:18:04):
acknowledging the reality of international business dealings, holding
a moral advantage of integrity reinforced by noting
bribery is a U.S. crime.
Often prosecuted, prosecuted, offered some protection from participating
in backdoor auctions.
We already know how to do business internationally.
Don't open bribes, especially if they're tax deductible.

(02:18:28):
No jingles, no karma.
Wow, he seems a little down on everything.
Yeah, I didn't know that.
Did we suspended the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act?
I was not aware of that.
Well, well, I'm going to look, check this
out.
OK, yes.
Right.
He could have been reading something in the
in the independent, for all we know, which
is or in The Guardian, The Guardian, maybe.

(02:18:52):
You don't know.
Thank you.
Seronomist of Dogpatch, Lois Lobovia, your contributions and
your producing of the show is always highly,
highly valued and appreciated.
From there, I'll look this up as we
go along.
But meanwhile, I'll read the note from Dame
Susan in McKinney, Texas.

(02:19:12):
McKinney, McKinney, McKinney.
For 500 bucks.
And she came in late for a Commodore
ship, so we gave her one.
Oh, this should be postmarked in time for
the Commodore ship.
So hopefully not too late for the Commodore
inclusion.
Sorry for my tardiness.
I would like to give this honor to

(02:19:35):
my son, Elliot, as an early birthday gift
for a date to be celebrated in June.
His grandfather was Commodore of Rush Creek Yacht
Club in the last century.
Wow, a real one.

(02:19:56):
So this seems entirely appropriate.
No jingles, just lots of yak karma for
the Arizona crew.
All the best.
Dame Susan of the Soldier We.
You've got...

(02:20:17):
Nice.
Then, oh, well, this shows you that war
is always profitable.
And a racket.
This is a donation coming from the Great
Curry Horowitz Frackas.
433.33 from Franny.
Franny says, hey, guys, thank you for your
humor, insight, and clarity.
You are true national treasures.

(02:20:39):
Adam, please give my beautiful pickleball girlfriend Sylvia
Corn-Jones birthday wishes in her native Dutch
language.
She's one of the best people I know.
Thanks.
Gefeliciteerd, Sylvia.
And send love and light to my human
resource bunnies Axel, Fiona, and Bowie.
And the love of my life, Peter, the
Viking hunk.
The family that Noah Jenner's together stays informed.

(02:21:02):
Thank you for all that you do.
Friend of Andrew.
Yes, I was the drunk caller, drinker of
tequila, and great American.
God bless the Tech Grouch and the Podfather.
Eight more years, says Franny, and she adds
P.S. Adam, we are not swingers, nor
do we belong to a key party, whatever
that is.
We're just fun weekend drunks.
Horowitz should invite you to South Florida for

(02:21:24):
one of his gatherings.
John, we know you won't show, but you
should be invited to.
Bye.
Oh, isn't that nice?
So the Corrupt Practices Act was suspended in
February by Trump for a period of 180
days, during which time the U.S. Attorney
General will seek to align the FCPA enforcement

(02:21:46):
with the Trump administration's twin aims of enhancing
national security and restoring competitive balance in the
global economy for the American companies.
In other words, there's some bribes involved.
So what is the Corrupt Foreign Practices Act?
How do you run afoul of it?
Well, that's a good...
That actually can be answered if I just

(02:22:07):
go back a page, because it showed up.
So I know that's how I do not
run afoul of it, obviously.
What does the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act ban?
That'll be probably...
The FCPA is a federal law enforced by
the Department of Justice which prohibits payments, gifts,
or even offers of anything of value to

(02:22:28):
a foreign official for the purpose of influencing
the official or otherwise securing any improper advantage
in obtaining, retaining, or directing business.
So we're bribing foreign...
Yes, exactly.
And who's doing that?
Just is it Trump doing that?
I think this is targeted.
This has to be targeted to somebody or

(02:22:49):
other.
China.
I think Anonymous is onto something.
He's onto something here.
Well, thank you.
But it's only going to go on for
180 days.
So the period of bribery is...
Get in now.
While the stocks last, people, get your bribes
now.
It ends in about 70 days.
Oh, well, there's plenty of time to get
some bribes.
Oh, there's plenty.
You have a month or two months.
Nice.

(02:23:12):
So something's up with this.
I agree.
Thank you, Anonymous.
He knows what he's talking about.
He's always bringing...
It probably cost him...
Probably a country.
He probably lost a contract.
Oh, yeah.
Or a country could be.
Yeah.
All right.
You're up.
Onward.
Oh, is it my turn?

(02:23:33):
Yes.
Ah, Nepal Plummer in Rexburg, Idaho, 333.33.
And this is greetings from Rexburg in Eastern
Idaho, home of the BYU, Idaho, where students
get Ivy League ROI on a ramen budget.

(02:23:54):
Oh, okay.
I stumbled on a No Agenda show a
few months ago, and it quickly became the
only podcast I listened to.
Because we're the only podcast you should listen
to.
Well, there's that.
Mostly because it's cheaper than therapy and twice
as effective.
Oh, there's an endorsement.
I get incredible value from this show and

(02:24:14):
have been hitting folks in the mouth, but
apparently critical thinking isn't contagious.
I'd like to request a de-douching.
You've been de-douched.
He wraps it up, but thank you for
your courage.
Oh, nice one.
Jim Watts is in Whistler, British Columbia, home
of the Calgary Stampede, but nearby at least.

(02:24:36):
I've been to Whistler.
I have skied Whistler back in the day.
240, Associate Executive Producer is where we're at
already.
Please find my annual Cinco de Mayo birthday
donation of 333 Canadian.
Ah, he gets moved up.
You become an executive producer.
We still honor your dollarettes.
Living the life of Riley down here on
the Baja.
Bumper sticker of the day.

(02:24:57):
Is it Baja or Baja?
Baja, presume.
Baja.
Bumper sticker of the day.
Ask your doctor if Baja is right for
you.
Parking Karma, please.
Jim Watts, PhD, the Baron of Whistler.
You got your karma right here, doctor.
You've got karma.
I have never taken this drive, but supposedly

(02:25:18):
the most beautiful drive in the world is
from Whistler to Vancouver.
Or yes, it takes about two hours if
I can recall.
It's beautiful, but it's like, it's two hours.
Well, it takes four and a half hours
to drive to L.A. and it's not
pretty at all.

(02:25:39):
There's no reason to do that at all.
No.
BioPros in Austin, Texas.
Uh, I don't want to attach a note
here.
Let's see if I got it.
Bio, what is this number here?
It's 222, 222.
Do you have it?
I don't have it.
Oh, I think it's attached to the scans.

(02:25:59):
Let me see.
No, let me see if I can find
it.
Um, I may have it here.
Let me see.
Ah, the BioPros, Driftwood, Texas.
Uh, 222.21, which is four number twos
and one number one.
Thanks for that.
Thank you, Crackpot and Buzzkill, and to all
the No Agenda producers.
The BioPros.com experienced one of its best
sales week after our initial sponsorship.

(02:26:20):
There's no sponsors.
Oh, I see what they're trying to do
here.
Yeah, we're not, you know, you got to
be careful what you're doing here with your
donation notes.
The BioPros.com experienced one of its best
sales weeks after our initial sponsorship.
Small business owners take heed.
Value for value works both ways.
Oh, really?
Our flagship product, BioSeptic Pro, was developed in

(02:26:42):
the wake of Deepwater Horizon oil spill.
Oh, these guys, the septic guys.
The poop guys.
The bio poop guys.
As an alternative to the toxic Corexit that
was being sprayed as a dispersant in the
Gulf of America.
Oh, I didn't know that.
That's an interesting history.
Anyway, this same technology is now available to

(02:27:02):
No Agenda producers.
If you go to the BioPros.com, use
code ITM20 at checkout for additional 20%
off.
BioSeptic Pro is like probiotics for your septic
tank.
And this is the thing that I keep
asking about.
Designed for anaerobic septic systems.
This is what I have.
Send me some product.
You know, if you're going to send these

(02:27:24):
notes, I can say it's great or not.
Yeah, if it works.
The fact that I have the exact system
that they service with their goo.
Goo.
You need it.
And I'm surprised they haven't sent it to
me yet.
This makes me wonder.

(02:27:44):
I'm surprised that I haven't gotten anything from
anyone from Florida either regarding the Gators' win
of the basketball championship.
So apparently this BioSeptic.
And I guess we're also worried about our
coffee supplies, Don, which.
Yes, I haven't.
Eli the coffee guy also has not resupplied
us.
All the free.

(02:28:04):
All the free stuff is gone.
The only reason we do this show.
Is for free stuff.
Come on, people.
I mean, we got lots of challenge coins,
but it's time for some free stuff.
Anyway, this BioSeptic Pro apparently, I don't know
for sure, digests grease, fats, oil, sludge, paper,
and organic matter, which is code for poop,
with ease.

(02:28:24):
Contains no chemicals, no GMOs.
It's safe for all pipes, plumbing, and pets.
I added that.
Oh no, actual human and animal safe.
You should make it pipes, plumbing, and pets.
I'm just, I'm writing copy for you.
PPP.
Say goodbye to a smelly septic system by
heading over to thebiopros.com.
Please pray the official biopros.com jingle, which
is this one.

(02:28:45):
They did dumps.
They call them dumps.
Big, massive dumps.
Plumbing and goat karma for all.
Thank you, Crockpot and Buzzkill, the OG value
for value ambassadors.
Send me some of your goo.
Michael S.
in Knightdale, North Carolina, 211 65.

(02:29:07):
My daughter is under one.
So please record the lecture on media literacy.
Ah, she's talking, this is aimed at you.
Or at least prepare a slideshow with links
to audio.
This is, again, aiming at you.
This is you.
The children of tomorrow need you.
John, let me hear, uh-oh, and I

(02:29:28):
love my truck.
Thank you.
Okay, I can do that.
That should be, at minimum, an executive producer
request.
I mean, that's like, that's live, maybe.
That's stuff we're doing live.
I'm just saying.

(02:29:50):
Uh, Steve Down, who is this?
Yeah, you should be, we should be upselling
everybody.
Are you going to record the lecture on
mental literacy?
Mental literacy?
I'm not doing anything on mental literacy.
I'm doing something on propaganda.
Propaganda.
Well, that's media literacy.
No, it's not.
It's about propaganda.

(02:30:11):
I'm just going to play some super cuts,
and then mic drop, and I'm out.
Okay, thanks for coming, kids.
Steve Downtown Brown, Monticello, Indiana, 210.
Switcheroo, he says.
This is for my good buddy, Jason Meyer,
who first introduced me to your show.
His birthday was Tuesday, and on the same
day, he passed his CISSP exam.

(02:30:32):
Okay, what is that?
Yeah, it's a, yeah.
Is that some kind of computer thing?
I, I'll look it up as you read.
Please make sure he gets the credit for
this donation.
With some extra for any fees.
Absolutely, Jason Meyer.
Why am I closing my browsers constantly?
This is an excellent question.
It borderlines on a great question, because this

(02:30:53):
is a podcast where we look stuff up,
book a knowledge.
You should never be closing your browser.
And by the way.
I think I'm clicking on the wrong thing.
Just admit you're using Edge.
We all know it.
Official, I use Firefox, which is worse.
Certified information system security professional.
Got it.
It's because of my browsers open.

(02:31:15):
Well, then I didn't need to do all
that work.
No, you didn't.
You didn't.
And our last one.
Go for it.
Yeah, Linda Lou Patkins here.
She's from Lakewood, Colorado.
And she drops in 200 bucks into the
pot.
Wants jobs karma.
And says for a competitive edge with a
resume that gets results, go to ImageMakersInc for
all your executive resume and job search needs.

(02:31:36):
That's ImageMakersInc with a K dot com.
And work with Linda Lou, Duchess of Jobs
writer of resumes.
Jobs, jobs, jobs and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.
OK, so Eli, the coffee guy is MIA.
Yes, because he's sending us coffee.

(02:31:57):
He figures that's good enough.
No, it's not.
But OK.
I did get a make good request from
Sir Haggis.
We do break for nights, he says.
I need to ask a favor.
When I donated on April 24th for my
50th birthday, I forgot to ask you to
play my jingle that I forgot to attach
to the donation email.
Well, it's clearly your fault, Sir Haggis.

(02:32:17):
Would it be out of the question just
throw this in somewhere to make up for
my hopeless memory?
I'll understand if not.
Well, that's not how we operate, Sir Haggis.
We break for nights.
There you go.
That was his jingle.
OK, that's a little Gourier and goat together.
Thank you to these executive and associate executive
producers for supporting us for episode 1762.

(02:32:40):
We thank you very much for this.
And of course, you will be thanked if
you're $50 or above at any point.
We'll be doing that in our second segment.
And you can always set up a recurring
donation.
These are incredibly useful to us and good
and easy for you.
Any amount, any donation, any frequency, all you
have to do is go to noagendadonations.com.
And again, thank you to our executive and

(02:33:00):
associate executive producers for 1762.
Our formula is this.
We go out, we hit people in the
mouth.

(02:33:22):
I do have a clip I want to
get out of the way, which was did
have to do with the pope, but it
was about the conclave, specifically some producers.
And I thought it was interesting because it
brings up a point.
I've never heard this term.
I don't know anything about it.
This was during a one or two hour
special with Nora O'Donnell and somebody else sitting
in the plaza there, just across from the

(02:33:44):
Sistine Chapel, yakking away about nothing.
But this commentary came through it.
And I thought it would be worth the,
this is, this one is not topic.
It's not, it has nothing to do with
the pope selection at all, but play this
clip is the conclave clip.
The one thing we know they're not doing
is checking Instagram because their devices have all

(02:34:05):
been confiscated.
I believe the kids call it raw dogging
it.
If you're going to go through a long
period of time with no electronic device.
Yeah.
Oh, right.
Well, they're of a certain age, so they
might be used.
Have you ever heard this term raw dogging?
I've heard kids call it raw dogging.
Well, it is a sex term from, from

(02:34:26):
where I come from.
Raw dogging is having sex without use of
a prophylactic.
That's how I've always understood.
Somebody slipped it in there.
Then somebody, this is a little, I think
this was a plant.
One of those things that you slip into

(02:34:46):
the mainstream media to embarrass people.
Yeah, probably.
Although I've heard it, I've heard it used
in, in other terms than, than unprotected sex.
I've heard it.
Yeah, but I don't see the connection between
unprotected sex and not using your phone.

(02:35:10):
The connection, this is elusive.
I'm just telling you, let me see what
the, the trolls say.
No, no, I don't know.
I think this was planted as a, as
a joke, as a wink, wink, nudge, nudge.
Or it can also be no, no lube.
That can be another version.
You're just making it up now.

(02:35:30):
Aren't you trolls?
You just met.
It's like a stick fight, basically.
Raw dogging on the stick fight.
So I'm getting incoming that the new Pope,
Leo XIV, is no big President Trump fan.
That's why they picked him then.
Yep.
He has posted in the past, now this

(02:35:52):
is before he was president in 2016, that
his anti-immigrant rhetoric is problematic.
He, what, oh, here's something more recent.
Yeah, I think he may not be a
fan of President Trump.
We'll see.

(02:36:12):
It doesn't have to be.
That's fine.
It doesn't have to be, but that may
have helped in the, in God's choice, I
guess.
Yeah, not sure how that works.
Well, speaking of raw dogging, baby.
Decorated musical executive, producer and songwriter, 85-year
-old William Smokey Robinson coming under fire.
Four of his former housekeepers alleged repeated and

(02:36:34):
brutal sexual assaults and harassment at the hands
of their former boss.
I will not describe the details of the
sexual assaults and rapes because they're too graphic
and disturbing for this news conference.
The first alleged victim said Robinson assaulted her
seven times in one year, targeting her during
her weekend shift.
A second plaintiff contends the musician would ask

(02:36:56):
her to meet him in parts of his
Chatsworth home where he knew there weren't any
cameras and sexually abused her 23 times over
a number of years.
A third recalled Mr. Robinson calling her into
his blue bedroom and assaulting her a total
of 20 times.
The fourth woman and the longest serving employee
was allegedly raped in three of the singer's

(02:37:17):
homes while employed between 2006 and 2024.
All four plaintiffs say they were reticent to
report the abuse, fearing they would lose their
jobs and felt intimidated by Robinson's celebrity status.
He's a music legend who's written more than
4,000 songs and has been inducted into
the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
At least one person also worried about adverse

(02:37:37):
effects to her immigration status.
And we did reach out to Smokey Robinson's
management team.
We haven't yet heard back.
The district attorney tells me that it has
not received a case from law enforcement and
therefore it will not be filing any kind
of criminal charges at this point.
Oh, what is that?
Like, they're smirching his name at 85.

(02:37:58):
Poor Smokey.
And going back 27 times, this reminds me
of the bear joke, which has the punchline,
I won't tell the joke, but people out
there know this joke where the bear says,
you didn't come here for the hunting, did
you?
Meanwhile, in Brazil, when they don't like an
artist, they take care of the artist in
a different way, particularly if there may be
some satanic over or undertones with that artist.

(02:38:20):
We gotta get to something pretty serious.
There are two suspects in custody this morning
for allegedly planning to bomb a Lady Gaga
concert in Brazil.
So police say that these suspects were targeting
the LGBTQ community and that they attempted to
recruit people, including teenagers, to carry out attacks
at Saturday's concert.
The weapons, improvised explosives, Molotov cocktails.

(02:38:43):
Investigators say a group that promotes hate speech
and encourages violence among teens orchestrated this.
One of them allegedly had an even darker
plan.
He claimed the singer had a satanist religious
inclination and as such, he would respond in
the same way and that he would also
promote a satanist ritual by killing a child

(02:39:04):
or a baby in a live stream during
the show.
Oh, all right.
Lady Gaga.
We live in a fallen world.
Okay, yes.
Not about the guys who tried to bomb,
but about the two million people that supposedly
were at this event.
Brazilians are notorious exaggerators.

(02:39:28):
And this goes back to, I don't know,
the late 80s or 90s and Jerry Purnell
and I were invited down to the biggest
tech event in the world, the one in
Brazil.
With hundreds of thousands of attendees.
No, no, two million.
Millions, I tell you.
So Jerry and I both still had stakeouts

(02:39:49):
in different parts of the show where you
could count.
There's only one or two entrances and so
you could do a one hour calculation and
figure out what the number was and we'd
come up with our own number and compare
them.
And we both came up with pretty much
the same number.
The maximum number of people they could have
possibly had is 200,000, maybe.

(02:40:10):
As opposed to the two million that they
claimed.
And then I've also seen a picture of
the National Mall in Washington, D.C. that
had 500,000.
And this little group in Rio at the
beach on Ipanema, which I've been to, there's
no way it was more than maybe 50
,000, maybe.

(02:40:31):
But they say two million.
And I realized back with Purnell that the
Brazilians are prone to exaggerate because this is
the way their whole country started.
When they made a deal, when the Portuguese
made the deal with Spain, the Spanish says,
you could have whatever.
They told the Portuguese, just tell us what

(02:40:52):
the coordinates are of where you've been and
what you think the country is, where the
country's located.
And they went here.
Give us the numbers and that'll be Brazil,
you can have it.
And so they weren't, nobody was up in
the Amazon and nobody was up there.
They just made up some numbers and got
these coordinates to make the country so damn

(02:41:12):
big.
It was a lie.
And the Brazilians do this.
They lie, they exaggerate.
It's a feature of the culture.
Don't believe these numbers.
And all these reporters that kept talking about
two million people at the Gaga concert are
full of it.
They could have looked and seen it was
not possibly two million people.

(02:41:34):
That's twice the entire population of San Francisco.
This makes a lot of sense now in
light of the BBL.
The what?
The BBL.
Yeah.
The Brazilian butt lift.
They're all fake butts down there.
Huge, big butts.
And you think, oh, it's a big butt.
No, it's a BBL.
They're fakers.

(02:41:56):
That's good information.
This is the first time I've heard that.
Yes, and you should be aware that the
Brazilians exaggerate.
And that's all, it's a fact.
And if you do any reporting on Brazil,
you should know that.
I just got a insider tip here.
Apple apparently is considering moving to an AI

(02:42:17):
search, ending their deal with Google, which is
what?
Seven billion dollars or something?
Some outrageous amount.
What do they pay Google for the...
What does Google pay them for search?
I have no idea.
Oh, it's billions and billions.
And then how bad is that going to
suck?
Yeah, we're going to do AI search.

(02:42:40):
But you know, that's going to suck.
It's going to suck.
Hey, we have a name.
Just while we're doing some M5M stuff, we
have a name.
Have you heard the name?
The new name?
The new, the official name for Spinco.
Remember?
Oh, Spinco.
Yes, Spinco.
And by the way, for people who said,
you know, Spinco is a name that's often

(02:43:01):
used as a code.
Yeah, we knew that.
We knew that.
But we have a name.
We have some news close to home.
The group of media brands, including CNBC, that
are being spun off from Comcast and NBCUniversal
later this year, now has a name, Versant.
The name chosen as a blueprint for versatility,
growth and innovation.

(02:43:22):
It's spelled V-E-R-S-A-N
-T.
Versant.
Versant.
What do you think of the name?
I'll continue the clip in a moment.
What do you think of this name, John?
Stinks.
Stinks.
I agree.
And they're going to defend it here.
This is CNBC.
Part now of Versant.
This is the company's new logo.
Cable network, CNBC, MSNBC, Gulf Channel, USA, Oxygen,

(02:43:46):
and more will all be a part of
Versant now.
They should have called it CrazyCo.
That was much more catchy.
The trolls are better.
That would have worked.
That would have worked for me.
As well as digital assets, including Fandango, GulfNow
and Sports Engine.
CNBC media and sports reporter, Alex Sherman is
here with me.
Alex, you have more details on this new

(02:44:06):
name.
Very excited.
This is corporate history that we are living
right now, Kelly.
Corporate history, woo!
Yeah, Versant, like Conversant.
Imagine this gig.
All right, you are the one that's going
to announce the name.
Oh, please don't make me do it.
Don't make me.
Do I have to announce this stupid name?
Oh, okay.
The name was chosen, I'm told, to speak
to the versatility of the brands in the

(02:44:29):
company.
You just listed them.
A lot of different brands covering different things.
They're not versatile.
They're all stupid.
New sports, digital assets, Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango
are part of this company.
Did you know that Rotten Tomatoes and Fandango?
No, I did not know where Rotten Tomatoes
was part of the deal.
Oh, that actually makes the deal a little
bit more attractive.
They're going to spin it out public though.
I'm told that originally through the process of

(02:44:51):
this, choosing the name, I spoke with the
CEO of the company, Mark Lazarus.
A thousand names, even more than a thousand
names were thought of, were vetted.
The legal process ticked that list.
We literally come up with domain names on
the fly here and have hundreds of them.
We had a thousand names, legal process.

(02:45:12):
We had to get everybody involved.
We had an offsite.
We had a whiteboard.
We had all kinds of, and we boiled
it down to a hundred.
I have to interrupt.
Rotten Tomatoes does fit into this scheme because
they've been leaning.
MSNBC, all these guys, they're all leaning, right?
What's the definition of versant?

(02:45:34):
I looked it up.
A region of land sloping in one direction.
Wow.
Wow.
So they got the right name.
They got the right name.
Were thought of, were vetted.
The legal process ticked that list down from
a thousand to 43.
That's how difficult it is to actually find
a name.

(02:45:55):
It's not already taken.
There's trademark things that people have to go
through, both nationally and globally.
That list was then culled down to about
12.
There were presentations made on the 12 and
eventually...
At the offsite, presentations made at the offsite.
Versant was chosen.
Also, the word versant itself is an actual

(02:46:16):
word.
It was something that I learned through the
process of this.
Which we won't explain because it doesn't sound
good.
It means the slope of land.
Mark Lazarus joked with me that perhaps he
could see that as a sloping upward, like
a line that was moving up for a
stock symbol.
Oh, what a way to...
What a wow!
That is some fake news right there.

(02:46:38):
It slopes down towards one side.
But he says, oh no, it slopes up.
It's like glass half full, glass half empty.
Well, it does say slope in one direction,
but not up or down.
Well, you don't want it to slope.
Why don't you call the company hockey stick?
If you're talking about...
There you go.
Hockey stick.
It means the slope of land.

(02:46:59):
Mark Lazarus joked with me that perhaps he
could see that as a sloping upward, like
a line that was moving up for a
stock symbol.
So perhaps the pathway has been set for
this company of assets once it trades publicly,
which will be later this year to be
a riser.
Is there any more clarity on when that

(02:47:19):
date might be sometime in the next few
months?
We don't know exactly still.
I just know it's toward the end of
the year, which has always been on the
plan.
I can say that none of the market
volatility of the past month or so has
moved Comcast off the date of spinning off
the assets later this year.
Versant.
Alex, get used to it.
Yes, indeed.
Try it on for size.
Okay.
Try it on for size.

(02:47:40):
Get used to it, everybody.
That's what your stock options are going to
say.
Versant.
You know, constitutional lawyer Rob, well, we actually
talked yesterday.
Let me go up to his house.
He lives in Canyon Lake.
Supposed to be really nice up there.
He, as I chatted with him yesterday, and
he says the craziest thing he's seen of

(02:48:01):
all the Trump stuff is the trans-military
ban.
This is going through like five different courts.
Everyone's pile jumping on this thing.
I even put his analysis in the show
notes so you can read it.
But I mean, it's because, you know, it
goes back to the, what Biden administration had,
then the Trump administration, what the district courts,

(02:48:23):
then it's the Supreme Court, then the Ninth
Circuit, and the Ninth Circuit bounces back and
forth.
I mean, this is really a very interesting
hill for people to maybe want to die
on or just like, this is the most
important thing in their life.
And, you know, I think it's another trap.
Well, let's listen.
The U.S. Supreme Court has allowed the

(02:48:45):
Trump administration to begin executing its ban on
transgender military service members.
Very nice term.
I love that they used executing this ban.
You know, this is NPR.
They don't just choose these words willy-nilly.
Trump administration to begin executing its ban on
transgender military service members, at least for now,

(02:49:05):
joining us to talk about this is NPR
legal affairs correspondent, Nina Totenberg.
Now, Nina, President Trump has been trying to
ban transgender troops.
You don't like Nina?
Oh, she's the worst.
She's an old hack.
She's been around for 100 years and she
comes on, she's really never brings in any
real insight.

(02:49:26):
She's notorious for something.
I forgot what started her career to be
a hotshot.
She probably makes about a half a million
dollars.
Of course, the military since his first administration.
What's the difference between then and now?
In the first Trump term, he partially succeeded,
but the ban was reversed by President Biden,
only to be put back in place by

(02:49:47):
Trump after he took office for a second
term.
This new order mimics the Trump order from
the first administration and appears to strengthen it
as well, barring transgender individuals from enlisting and
discharging active duty transgender service members.
All right, so what did the Supreme Court
do yesterday?
In a one paragraph unsigned order, the justices

(02:50:08):
revived the transgender ban, which had been temporarily
blocked by the lower courts.
The court's three liberal justices, Kagan, Sotomayor, and
Jackson noted their dissents and would have barred
the administration from putting the ban in place
while the case continues to be litigated in
the lower courts.
So the case now goes back to the
Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals for the Trump

(02:50:30):
policy to be reviewed.
So we're bouncing back and forth and let's
learn about the new policy, what it exactly
is.
There's been a lot of back and forth
in this case since 2016.
That's when the Obama administration first allowed openly
trans individuals to serve in the military.
So how is the new policy different?

(02:50:51):
The Obama policy was reversed by Trump in
2017, followed by new rules issued by then
Defense Secretary James Mattis.
The Mattis rules allowed exceptions to the ban
for active service members previously diagnosed with gender
dysphoria.
But the new policy, the Trump II policy,
is significantly tougher because it bars from the

(02:51:13):
military anyone with a gender dysphoria diagnosis.
And while that isn't everyone, it is most
trans individuals.
Now, where are things now?
The Ninth Circuit...
That's an important little data point.
That is...
Well, the question that always remains to me...
I'm not done yet.
Yeah.
Why do you want in the military, which

(02:51:36):
is a discipline-oriented pursuit...
Vocation.
Why would you want people with gender dysphoria
that you have to treat?
Or any dysphoria.
Or any dysphoria issue.
Or any kind of...
Your neurosis is psychotic.
I mean, what...
Schizophrenics, we don't want them either.

(02:51:57):
Bipolar, borderline personality.
I mean, there's all kinds of things you
don't want.
Anything with dysphoria is probably, you're right, probably
not what you want.
You want killing machines!
And while that isn't everyone, it is most
trans individuals.
Now, where are things now?
The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals will take
a whack at deciding the issue.

(02:52:18):
And that decision can be appealed to the
Supreme Court, though the ban is likely to
remain in place during the appellate process.
All right, so let me cut to the
chase here.
What are the chances that the Supreme Court
will ultimately rule against the Trump trans ban
in the military?
Probably slim to none.
The fact is that the Supreme Court, even
on a temporary basis, has allowed the Trump

(02:52:39):
administration to proceed with carrying out the ban.
And that's a pretty strong indicator that the
administration is very likely to prevail in the
long run.
And then for me, the kicker, how many
people are we actually talking about here?
When it comes to the numbers of people,
how many trans individuals are in the military
right now under the policy that allowed them
to enlist and serve?

(02:52:59):
According to the Pentagon, about 0.2%
of active military forces, or about 4,000
individuals.
So Nina, I'm wondering, who are the plaintiffs
that brought this challenge?
They're a group of current and aspiring transgender
service members, including lead plaintiff Emily Schilling, a
Navy pilot who's flown more than 60 combat

(02:53:20):
missions over her nearly two decades of military
service.
Ruling in their favor, Judge Benjamin Settle in
Washington State, who's a George W.
Bush appointee, concluded that the government's classification of
gender dysphoria as a disqualifying medical condition was
essentially a ruse motivated by hostility towards transgender

(02:53:41):
people.
So I love that she adds in there
a George W.
Bush appointee.
We know what George liked.
Safe to say that the Supreme Court will
eventually actually rule on this?
Probably the case will come back to the
court next term for a final ruling, regardless
of who wins in the Ninth Circuit.
I think George W.

(02:54:01):
Bush was a horndog.
Remember he had those guys in the press
pool?
You remember that?
You think of George W.
or George H.
No, George W.
No, George W.
the second one.
He had those Texas guy.
Yeah, he had those gay prostitutes.
Don't you remember that?
Oh, that.
Oh, I vaguely remember that.

(02:54:22):
That's right.
The guy that showed up in a somebody
outed him and they posted it.
Yeah, he was posting online.
He was a gay prostitute.
And he was in the press pool for
some unknown reason asking stupid questions.
Yeah.
I do remember that.
We have long memories, be very careful.

(02:54:42):
That's what happens.
And let me see.
We got five minutes.
I want to play this.
Five minutes.
And I guess this is five minute warning
with two minutes to go.
And here's a question because this is up
where you live.
Notice I didn't say your neck of the
woods.
This morning, President Trump is directing the federal
government to reopen Alcatraz, the notorious former prison
on the San Francisco Bay known as The

(02:55:04):
Rock, considered escape proof and the subject of
multiple Hollywood films.
No one has ever escaped from Alcatraz.
Me too.
And no one ever will.
Trump says he wants to reopen and expand
the prison to house America's most ruthless and
violent offenders.
Just an idea I've had.

(02:55:24):
And I guess because the judges, so many
of these radicalized judges, they want to have
trials for every single, think of it, every
single person that's in our country illegally, they
came in illegally.
That would mean millions of trials.
It comes after a new interview, which the
president said he does not know whether every
person in the U.S. is entitled to

(02:55:45):
due process as his administration pushes to deport
immigrants in the country illegally.
Now, again, a complaint.
We have a person, a ranger, I believe,
ranger, I can't remember his name, who works
at Alcatraz.
I don't know if he's still there.
I think he may have been moved.
Well, but he still has info.

(02:56:06):
And if he took me, he took me
to the tour.
I took Jay and a friend.
Oh, you actually took him up on that.
You went on the tour.
Oh, yeah, it was great because he had
his own little cart and we went into
parts of the facility that no one gets
to see.
Wow.
So, I mean, there was an underground, there
was a hospital, like an abandoned hospital.

(02:56:28):
And we just took a tour.
It was really creepy, by the way.
Ranger Craig.
Ranger Craig.
Yeah, ranger.
It was a ranger.
A ranger, Craig Wright.
Ranger Craig Wright, I think, yes.
He took us all over that.
We're all in a kind of a separate
tour.
I got to close the cell doors with
a grab the handle and pull it.
From the inside or the outside?
From the outside, obviously.
You can't close it from the inside.

(02:56:48):
And it makes a large clink.
You get a feeling for the amount of
stress it takes to pull it.
To give you an idea, we talked about
Ranger Craig on episode 115.
That's 2009.
I don't think he's there anymore.
I think he moved.
I don't know if he's alive.
Well, he wasn't an old guy.
He was a young guy.
Yeah.

(02:57:09):
But now we got a great tour.
What are people saying about this in San
Francisco?
We think it's bullcrap.
Really?
Everybody does.
Seems like a great place to put criminals.
Yes.
No, it's impossible.
That place is a wreck.
It's a mess.
Except for the areas that the public gets
to see.
If you actually got behind the scenes and
see the other stuff going on.

(02:57:30):
Now, again, the perfect place to put criminals.
Well, maybe, but yeah.
No, they're not going to do anything.
It's a tourist trap.
It's bringing in $60 million a year.
Ah, there it is.
There it is.
We don't want to lose that money.
It's bringing in that much.
Probably the maintenance is going to be less
than that.
It's making money.
It's dumb to turn.
You can find someplace in the middle of

(02:57:52):
nowhere and build a prison from scratch.
It'd be cheaper.
As we wind down our broadcast day, we
still have plenty of deconstruction broadcasts left for

(02:58:13):
you, including John's tip of the day.
You don't want to miss that.
Some very down-low beats in the end
of show mix.
We have, of course, our meetup overview with
a report from the Netherlands where they got
the servers involved.
They finally listened to me.
But first, we're going to thank all of
our supporters, $50 and above.
John's going to take you through the list.
That's correct.
I'm starting with James O'Brien in Southington,

(02:58:36):
Connecticut.
One, two, three, four, five.
Kindly enlighten me as to the title.
Much appreciate you and your efforts.
I don't know.
I don't know what he wants from us.
What is he talking about?
I don't know.
I have no idea.
Maybe he's a knight.
He should be a knight.
He wants to be a knight.
He's already a knight, he says.
I have no idea.
Well, you got to give us more info,
bro.
Yeah.

(02:58:56):
Yeah.
It's the honor system.
So you need to...
Yeah.
Daniel Kepler's up next.
He's in Phoenix, Arizona.
Also one, two, three, four, five.
My favorite donation.
Mark Thanish in Elgin, Nebraska.
Or Elgin, possibly.
120.
Arno in Amstelveen.
Oh, Amstelveen.
I used to live in Amstelveen.
Holland.
Yes, used to live there.

(02:59:17):
104-64.
He wants us to switch over.
This is a switcheroo to Freya, who also
organized the meetup.
Ah, yes.
Ah, it's the last meetup last Saturday in...
Well, you know, okay.
So it's pronounced Scheveningen.
And during World War II, the Dutch would

(02:59:39):
ask you to pronounce the name Scheveningen because...
Oh, and they'd shoot you if you couldn't
pronounce it right.
Correct.
Because then you were probably a spy, a
German spy.
Scheveningen is the correct pronunciation.
Well, I've been to get shot, but I'm
not a German spy.
So I think they probably killed some poor
innocent Americans.
You'd be dead.
You'd be dead by now.

(02:59:59):
Stefan Trockels, who's in Sust, Deutschland, $100.
No note, he says.
Ken Weinstock in Tucker, Georgia, 888.
8088, sorry.
Because Kevin McLaughlin's up next.
He's in Concord, North Carolina, 8008.
He's the Archduke of London lover, American lover
of boobs.
He is.

(03:00:20):
Stephen Hutto.
You okay?
Stephen Hutto in St. Petersburg, Florida, 75.
Commodore G in Cincinnati, Ohio, 7377.
Alan Huffman in Urbandale, Iowa, 6809.
He says 6809 was probably the most advanced

(03:00:42):
8-bit CPU.
It had 16-bit registers.
I think the 8088 did too, didn't it?
I don't know.
I'm pretty sure.
I don't care.
David Cox in Austin, Texas.
You don't care.
David Cox in Austin, Texas, 6325.
Teresa Andrews in Camarillo, Brillo, 6161.

(03:01:05):
This is an Aunt Gigi donation.
Here we go.
Here we go.
Stand by.
That's Aunt Gigi.
That's Aunt Gigi.
Grayson Insurance in Aurora, Colorado, 6006.
Go to Grayson Insurance for all your insurance
needs.
I just threw that in.
Bruce Bagnocchi, Brig Bagnocchi, Bagnocchi, Bagnocchi, Bagnocchi, Bagnocchi,

(03:01:29):
Bagnocchi.
In Midlothian, Virginia, 5945.
Yaron Snelders in Ennis, Texas, 5945.
These are all the VE Day donations.
Yes.
So I got a few.
Also Bowman McMahon in San Antonio, 5945.

(03:01:53):
John Fitzpatrick in Heber Springs, Arkansas, 5945.
Dame Rita.
Ah, there she is in Sparks, Nevada, 5945.
She's the best.
Tyler Darrington in Lost Wages, Nevada, 5945.
And that's our little group of well-wishers
for VE Day.
Yes.

(03:02:14):
Forgotten that we beat the Germans.
We beat them.
Sir Dancing Mike in Maryville, Tennessee, 5757.
It's a birthday.
Pete Federici in Bothell, Washington, 5555.
He wants some Jobs Karma for his partner.
Can you put that at the end for
him?
I can.

(03:02:35):
Chris Hare in Bel Air, Maryland, 5537.
He's a de-douche.
You've been de-douched.
We'll be giving a happy birthday shout out
to Megan, who's turning 31.
Michael Gates, 5280.
Roger Kesey in Holland, Michigan, 5272.

(03:02:56):
Robert McGee in Davenport, Iowa, 5272.
Brittany Miller in Trinidad, Colorado, 5272.
And Spencer Nace somehow got a deal at
5271.
He's in Weaverville, North Carolina.
Saved a penny.
He's got some comment there.
You might want to look at it.
Josiah Thomas.

(03:03:17):
Oh, I'm sorry.
Eric Hochul in Mulrose, Deutschland.
There he is, $52.
He is here.
He's been a regular for a decade at
least.
And he should get knighted or something.
He's got plenty of credits.
Josiah Thomas in Ankeny, Iowa, 51.
And now we got finally the $50 donors.

(03:03:37):
Name and location starting with Alex Zavala.
Ah, Sir Alex.
Sir Alex in Kyle, Texas.
Stephen Ray in Spokane.
Ray Howard in Kremling, Colorado.
Jacob Jacob Rottramel in Decatur, Illinois.
Edward Mazurik.
There he is in Memphis.

(03:03:58):
Kerry Jackson in Waterton, Tennessee.
And last on the list is Jason Deluzio
living it up in Miami Beach, Florida.
I want to thank all these people for
helping us out on Show 1762.
Yes, and the Jobs Karma is here as
requested.
Jobs, jobs, jobs, and jobs.
Let's vote for jobs.

(03:04:18):
Karma.
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We love the numbers.
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We'll follow along with your gambit.
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Steve, downtown Brown.
It says happy birthday to Jason Meyer.
He celebrated on the 6th.

(03:04:59):
Sir Dancing Mike turns 57 on Saturday.
Chris Hur, happy birthday to Megan Haynes.
She turns 31 on the 12th.
We have Dane Susan wishing her son Elliot
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Gefeliciteer to Sylvia Corn-Jones.
Happy birthday.
And we say happy birthday to all these
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(03:05:20):
best podcast in the universe.
One Commodore.
The final, final, final Commodore.
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We would like to welcome to the Commodore
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The one, the only Commodore Elliot.
And as always, Commodore arriving.
Very nice.

(03:05:40):
Go to noagenderings.com.
That's where you can find your Commodore entry
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Let us know what you want on your
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It has embossments and all that.
You can frame it.
You should frame it, actually.
Hang it on your wall and proudly display
that you are a Commodore of the No
Agenda Show.
No Agenda Meetups.

(03:06:07):
Yes, the No Agenda Meetups.
They're a big deal, everybody.
They're a very big deal, these meetups, because
it's where you get connection and protection.
It's where you will meet the first responders
in an emergency in your life.
People who go to No Agenda Meetups have
relationships that last for decades, eons perhaps even.

(03:06:27):
And we have a report from Scheveningen where
it's a little bit cold, but they jumped
into the North Sea, which is a very,
very Dutch thing to do at this time
of year.
This is the first No Agenda Splash-Up
Meetup.
In the morning, this is Roland, Splash-Up
in Scheveningen.
In the morning, and happy birthday to Arno.

(03:06:49):
Ik heb er nog niet over nagedacht.
In the morning, from sun-drenched Scheveningen in
Holland.
In the morning, this is Freya at the
Hard Beach Club in Scheveningen at the Splash
-Up.
Great meeting.
Thank you, Arno.
In the morning, Natalia here, and I just
had some spicy mussels, and now I'm going
to splash into the sea like a mermaid.

(03:07:09):
Hi, I'm Caroline.
It's really great to meet each other here
again.
And there are a few tough guys with
us, because they just went into the sea.
And they swam nicely.
Well, I didn't.
Hi, I'm Chris.
It's been really fun serving everyone.
It's a really fun day.
Life is amazing.
Enjoy every second.
All right, with some coded messages in there.
They really got into the North Sea.

(03:07:31):
And there's the server at the end too.
Yes, I think the Dutch girl also was
a server.
She said, these people are crazy.
They're jumping into the ocean.
It's too cold.
That's what No Agenda people do.
We're crazy.
But we are lovable crazies.
Tonight, you can join them at the Quad
Cities, Iowa area meetup.
Seven o'clock in Lopez, Davenport, Iowa.
Big nasty organizing that.

(03:07:52):
And on Saturday, the Treasure Valley meetup.
Three o'clock at Old State Saloon in
Eagle, Idaho.
Now, we have some important meetups coming up
this month.
Leiden in the Netherlands.
That'll be on the 14th.
Charlotte, North Carolina on the 15th.
The 16th is Whitefield, New Hampshire.
On the 17th, we are loaded for bear.
Bedford, Texas.
Colorado Springs, Colorado.

(03:08:13):
Fort Wayne, Indiana.
New Canton, Virginia.
Springfield, Oregon.
And, well, it's Lukenbach technically.
But Fredericksburg, Texas.
Curry and the Keeper will be there.
And many more of your local Texas celebrities.
Keen, New Hampshire on the 18th.
Culemborg in Gelderland in the Netherlands on the
29th.
The 31st, Pensauken Township, New Jersey.
Overland Park, Kansas on the 31st.

(03:08:35):
And Long Beach, California, 31st.
Bravo at it again.
And I might as well throw this one
in on June 1st.
Tokyo, Japan.
Are you getting the picture here?
These No Agenda meetups, they're not just like
some little thing.
This is a whole movement.
Go to noagendameetups.com.
Find one near you.
If you can't find one, start one yourself.
It's easy and always guaranteed a party.

(03:09:12):
Well, to use a Dutchism in the old
country for ISOs, I threw my cap at
it.
Threw my cap at it.
Which means...
Did the cap hit anything?
No, I mean, I just threw my cap
at it.
Which means I didn't really do a lot

(03:09:33):
of work.
Didn't do a good job.
So you don't have anything.
I do.
I have three.
I have three.
Okay, let's go.
I made it to No Agenda.
Okay.
Well, that's nice.
It's not bad.
A little embarrassing.
Okay, and maybe this one.
Yeah, it's not bad.
All right, I got three.

(03:09:54):
Okay.
I got WTH.
WTH.
What the hell's going on here?
No Biden end of show ISOs, man.
No.
That's just...
No.
Okay, how about Adorbs?
That podcast was Adorbs.
Yeah, well, that end of show ISO is
AI, but it's not bad.
Well, then let's go with the last one.

(03:10:15):
So good.
These podcasters are so good at this.
No, I'll go with...
That podcast was Adorbs.
I think that's just gay enough, John.
It's definitely gay.
Hey, everybody.
It's time for our final bit here.
It's No Agenda's John's Tip of the Day.

(03:10:39):
Okay, this is a product everyone should have.
You should buy them in packs of eight
or ten.
And the key to success with these items
is they have to be fresh.
Fresh.
Which I recommend finding the vendor and getting
them shipped directly from the vendor or getting

(03:11:00):
a popular one from Amazon where you know
it's fresh.
Pheromone Moth Attractant Sticky Pads.
Okay, why would we want to have Pheromone
Moth Sticky Pads?
Pheromone Moth...
Well, for one reason, I found a moth

(03:11:22):
attack on one of my Persian rugs.
Oh, wait, wait, wait.
You have Persian rugs?
Yeah, I have a couple.
Do you fly around on them?
Persian rugs are a really good price nowadays,
by the way.
Best price.
But do you have them on the floor
or in your...
Yeah, they're on the floor.
I got them.
They're all over the place.
We have...
Everybody in the family has a bunch of

(03:11:42):
these either Turkish or Persian rugs.
Interesting.
Something I did not know about the Dvorak
clan.
I learned something new every day.
These rugs are great.
And they're not expensive anymore.
No.
So the moths...
So here's the deal.
The pheromone...
There are moths in the world, and they
get in the house, and you wouldn't even

(03:12:03):
know it.
I'm telling you, you pull out one of
these pheromone moth pack strips, or it's actually
a little...
It's like a sticky pad, like you catch
a mouse with when you pull the top
off.
The pheromones get released.
You put it on top of the refrigerator.
You put it somewhere.
And by the way, it's F-H-E
-E-R-M-O-N-E, and you
can get them...
You can look it up that way.

(03:12:25):
You've never seen anything like it.
I don't care how clean and fancy your
house is.
There's no moths in there.
No, that's for sure.
Put one of these on top of the
refrigerator, a good fresh one.
And within 10 minutes, all of a sudden,
you'll find moths are in your house.
Oh no, that's disgusting.
Because they're flying to the attractant, and then

(03:12:47):
they get stuck on the thing.
It's mostly the males.
And then they're a tasty treat.
And well, no, they're not.
It just becomes they're stuck in the goo,
and that's the end of them.
Everybody has these stupid moths in their house,
and they don't know it.
And you want to get these traps.
That's why they sell them in 10 packs,
because that's how many moths you'll end up
capturing.

(03:13:08):
So this is a big deal.
I'm sorry I didn't do it on the
room that had the nice rug in it.
But if you have it on top of
the refrigerator, will it attract them from the
room with the nice rug?
Does it work that far?
No, it'll suck them in from about typically
from three or four rooms.
Wow.
This is powerful.

(03:13:29):
I'm kind of afraid to do that, because
then it was like, if Tina sees, like,
oh, now we have moths.
She's bad enough with me putting down mousetraps,
because I always catch something.
Yeah, well, put it somewhere where she can't
see them.
And do it when she's not around, because
it'll be within, I'm telling you, within five
or 10 minutes, you'll start to see moths.

(03:13:49):
They're all heading to the trap.
It's gross, actually, how many moths all of
a sudden show up in your house.
Another gross tip of the day.
Ladies and gentlemen, go review it at tipoftheday
.at, noagendafund.com.

(03:14:12):
By the way, that tip of the day
jingle is by Shwu Michael.
Michael is the guitarist for Mercy Me, and
Tina is up in Cedar Park going to
see the show tonight.
She's not going to stiff him like you
did when they came to play.
I'll go and have drinks with him.
I sent him a text saying, call Tina
out from stage, man.

(03:14:33):
That'll be fun.
I don't know if he'll do it.
He always wears a No Agenda shirt when
playing, though.
That's pretty cool.
That's it.
Our broadcast day has concluded.
We do have, oh, look at this.
Curry and the Keeper, episode 132, recorded just
last night.
A Mounder is the title.
That's coming up next on your No Agenda
stream or your modern podcast app.

(03:14:54):
And, of course, we will return on Sunday
as usual, where we will bring you another
minimum three hours of completely bonus content, firewall,
paywall-free beauty, which we do as a
public service.
End of show mixes from James Bosworth.
He's back.
And Nautilus K., who's on a roll.

(03:15:16):
And I am coming to you from the
heart of the Texas Hill Country here in
Fredericksburg, where we have that meetup coming up
on the 17th.
In the morning, everybody.
I'm Adam Curry.
And from Northern Silicon Valley, I'm John C.
Dvorak.
We return on Sunday.
Please join us here for more No Agenda.
Until then, adios, mofos, a-hooey-hooey, and
such.

(03:16:25):
Without the big butt or the money.
Without the big butt or the money.

(03:16:53):
Tariffs, tariffs, tariffs.
Yeah, so you acknowledge when you announce the
tariffs, for example, the stock market dropped.
It's been volatile.
It has since gone up.
Well, it is.
Do you take responsibility for that?
Yeah.
Do you take responsibility when it drops?
Ultimately, I take responsibility for everything.
But I've only just been here for a

(03:17:14):
little more than three months.
Yeah.
Maybe the children will have two dolls instead
of 30 dolls.

(03:17:43):
What a conversation.
That is pretty like cult network news.
Go from China.
Wake up, people.
Tariffs.
of 30 dolls.
Tariffs.
Stop buying junk from China.

(03:18:04):
Wake up, people.
Yeah.
Tariffs.
of 30 dolls.
Tariffs.
Are you saying that your tariffs will cause
some prices to go up?
No, I think the tariffs are going to
be great for us because it's going to
make us rich.
But you said some dolls are going to
cost more.
Isn't that an acknowledgement that some prices will

(03:18:26):
go up?
I don't think a beautiful baby girl needs,
if she's 11 years old, needs to have
30 dolls.
I think they can have three dolls or
four dolls.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.

(03:18:49):
Yeah.
That podcast was adorbs.

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