July 25, 2024 • 9 mins
Tune-in as Mike Dussault, Paul Perillo and Evan Lazar offer a full recap of Day 2 of Patriots Training Camp. We discuss the QB reps, how the offense appeared more clunky today and how the defense seemed to be the focus of the day. Plus, plays of the day, who was here, who was missing, standout players and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Camp Cast is your source for all the news from
Patriots Training Camp.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, I do still watch the news.
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Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com
have you covered?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did I miss yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now here to review today's practice? The writers of Patriots
dot Com.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
All right, welcome into our second episode of the Patriots
Training Campcast for twenty twenty four. Evan Lazar, Paul Parello, Mike.
You so just got off the field for the second
practice and guys, not as much fireworks today. There weren't
any big plays, not a lot, you know, not a
lot to really hang your hat on today, especially get
excited about on the offensive side of the ball. A
little bit of a blah practice, I would call it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Maybe, Yeah, I'm trying not to overreact to these initial practices.
We're not they're not in pads or really not even
in shells or helmets and T shirts and shorts right now.
So you don't want to sound any alarms about the offense.
But some of the things that we were concerned about
coming into the season on paper are showing up a
little bit in this practice today where there isn't a
(01:05):
ton going on down the field, and a lot of
the downfield throws are contested. You know, Jalen Polk down
the sideline with Marcus Jones all over him, or Hunter
Henry Jabriel Peppers broke up a pass for him a
similar type of route down the sideline, and those types
of plays are just not hitting at a high rate
right now. And it's a lot of contested fifty to
fifty type balls, and you just would have liked to
(01:27):
have seen a little bit more of what we saw
from Jalen Rigor yesterday, which was just running wide open
behind the defense. But it's a good defense and you're
not necessarily going to see that all the time against
the Patriots starters. But overall, a clunky day for the offense.
But I don't think it's anything that we didn't already
know about where they're at.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I mean, I would agree. Overall, there weren't a
lot of flash plays, and the ones that the feud
that did happen were on the defensive side of the ball,
and the ones that Evan mentioned were the ones that
stood out to me. I do think there was some indications,
at least that there were some other guys getting involved.
Taekwon Thornton. I didn't really notice at all on opening day.
He cut a handful of passes today from both Jacoby
(02:07):
Brissett and Drake May. We should probably add that Brissette
again took the lead reps and then you know, Drake
May followed little slight twist after that. Joe Milton went
before Bailey Zappi. All four took reps, but I thought
it was interesting that Milton went third in Zappi fourth today,
but I would agree with that overall assessment. More of
(02:29):
a defensive day today, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I mean, yesterday we saw Joe Milton get a little
I mean, not a lot of action, but got some
like mop up reps, almost completed a couple passes thrown
in time looked okay, seeing almost like hey, let's give
him a little bit more of a shot today. I
want to talk too, though, about Jacoby Brissette, because while
it wasn't outstanding, I think we all agree that there
were some moments where Jacoby Brissett just looked like he
was running the offense the way he need to be run,
hitting the back foot, getting the ball out. That's what
(02:54):
That's why he's here right, so he can run the
offense on time.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it that his timing and
just approach to the offense in general, he's a pro.
I mean, he's made forty eight starts in the NFL,
so it's gonna be a little bit better in those
regards to Drake May, and that might be enough at
least initially for him to hold on to the starting
job going into the season. But the one thing that
I consistently feel what Jakobe p said is that there's
(03:19):
this not a whole lot of playmaking or dynamic element
down the field from him, whereas with Drake May, even
though it might be not as perfect in terms of
the timing and all that, which I'm sure the coaches
probably see even more than we do, you have that
threat of on any given drop back you could have
a fifty yard bomb in there somewhere. I don't necessarily
(03:39):
feel that way with Jacob PRIs said, but as politics
to say, there was a lot a couple plays there
today where it looked like a play in a game.
You know that, Okay, you know three step drop balls
out hit the back of the foot. Everybody runs their
routes properly and we have a play right, and that
happens maybe a little bit more assignment with Jakob PRIs
said at this point, no, I totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Though.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It looks like it happened on a Sunday and we
had a few of those today.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, and a couple of bookkeeping things. Antonio Gibson looks
like he was taking off of NFI and Girodmeo said
yesterday that it wouldn't be a long term thing expecting
him back. He didn't have his helmet with him. He
didn't really take part in the practice, but he was
in uniform out there did some lower rehab field work.
So he's you know, obviously back on the field and
(04:27):
closer to getting back full strength. That's a good sign
on the flip side. Devon Godshaw, we didn't see him
for about the first hour of practice at all. He
came out later, No, helmet, didn't really do a whole lot.
Now there's a report, I think mass Live tweeted out
that Christian Barmore might be dealing with an illness and
(04:47):
he was limited. He didn't really do much in the
full eleven on eleven work, but I don't know, maybe
Godshaw's dealing with something along those lines too, or maybe
it's just an indication of the contract stuff that and
it's ugly head.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, we did hear from Jude On yesterday who kind
of expressed, you know, he'd like a new deal. Clearly
looks like it's heading down that road with gotchall Maybe
he's going to do what Judon did last year, the
hold in. It's the new InVogue thing to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
My biggest question guys is just how does this all
resolve itself. We don't want this hanging over the team's
head as we go into the season, especially Paul. With
Judon who you know, I mean, he's a valuable player.
He is, he's going to be thirty two in a
few weeks, but he's got some juice and he just
he's the pass rusher that they need off the edge.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, and I do think it's important, you know, because
this is a new regime. You want to get off
to a you know, a good start and really at
least put your best foot forward, have the best personnel
that you can out there. So I wouldn't advocate trading
him now, Like if you were going to deal him
I would have said, you know, get it done. You know,
earlier in the offseason where you had a chance to
sort of make a plan to replace him. Now I
(05:49):
would I would go into the season. Maybe, you know,
if he's playing well, he's sort of a leader on
that front seven and you can get going that way,
and if you're not having the success as a team
that you hope, then maybe you can revisit any any
kind of trade possibilities you mentioned. He spoke yesterday, he said,
you know, he doesn't he's not asking for a trade.
He doesn't want to be traded, but the contract is
(06:10):
definitely an issue.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, I just want to highlight a couple of guys.
You know, it stood out a little bit today. Started
with Jahem Bel rookie seventh round pick, guy that I
know you were high on, had him on your big board,
but we saw him start to get a little bit
involved today. Paul mentioned Marcus Jones earlier kind of active
as in the slot, a guy that we kind of
an unknown commodity. We know he's a returner. You know,
he's been injured. We haven't seen a lot of him.
(06:33):
And also Taekwon Thornton, who we mentioned you know, just
a little bit more active. What did you see from
most of you guys?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, just started with Marcus Jones two days in a
row now, where he's been the top slot corner nickel
corner with the Patriots defense, and for right now, on paper,
it would seem like he would be the inside track
or have the inside track to being that top nickel
corner and when they go through true corners, you know,
not talking about big nickel or getting the safeties involved
(06:58):
and stuff like that. He's definitely the guy in man coverage.
I feel the most confident about inside other than obviously
John Jones, but you think he can play more on
the outside still. So I've been encouraged what I've seen
from Marcus Jones. Got a couple hands on a couple
passes over the last few days as well, so he's
had good coverage. We'll see if he can keep it up.
(07:18):
And to your point about Taekwon Thorton, it's just we
do we quit it or do we not? You know,
like you just every day he pulls you back in
and he has one of these types of days. Now,
it was a lot of underneath stuff. It wasn't anything
down the field, We're not that four two eight was
not on full display necessarily, but he did lead the
team with four catches and team drills here today, so
(07:39):
there's certainly something that taekwon Thornton. Every couple of days
we'll have one of these types of practices that make
you believe. Again, I'm not sure I'm totally there, but
we're getting there then, just quickly. But jahe Bell would
stood out with to me with him was how much
they were moving him around, and that was something that
he did a lot in college. And if he can
learn the playbook to a point where he's able to
(08:01):
run routes from various alignments, then that will help him
get on the roster.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Pull anybody else that caught your eye today just in
terms of I mean, I know it was there's not
a lot of big plays, but.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, there weren't. And you know, I'm sort of watching
that secondary to see the different you know, combinations and
what I've seen most of if you guys have seen different,
correct me. I've seen Gonzales and Jones with Marcus Jones
in the slot in some of alex Austin, but not
as much as we saw in the spring. So I
wonder if like it's just it's Jonathan Jones and it's
(08:31):
it's Christian Gonzales and then you know, everybody else's.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Marks of the World.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, like I thought there was a chance that maybe,
you know, with the amount that we saw Austin in
the spring, that they maybe had designs of him being
on the outside and Jonathan Jones being in the slot.
So far, only two days, I haven't really seen that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, all right, well only two days. But hey, we
got what do we have? Eleven more practices to go.
We're just getting started here. There's obviously things moving, dude. Yeah,
the trains moving, and we're expecting pads to be Monday.
So we're gonna have practices on Friday, practices on Sunday,
and then we'll get to hopefully a little bit ramp
things up a little bit. Guys, little contact contact them
on the smack of the pads, the smack of the helmets.
So be sure to stick on Patriots dot com and
(09:08):
got you covered all through training camp.
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Patriots Training Camp.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Well, I do still watch the news.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Practice is over, but the writers of Patriots dot com
have you covered?
Speaker 3 (00:18):
What did I miss yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Now here to review today's practice? The writers of Patriots
dot Com.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
All right, welcome into our second episode of the Patriots
Training Campcast for twenty twenty four. Evan Lazar, Paul Parello, Mike.
You so just got off the field for the second
practice and guys, not as much fireworks today. There weren't
any big plays, not a lot, you know, not a
lot to really hang your hat on today, especially get
excited about on the offensive side of the ball. A
little bit of a blah practice, I would call it.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Maybe, Yeah, I'm trying not to overreact to these initial practices.
We're not they're not in pads or really not even
in shells or helmets and T shirts and shorts right now.
So you don't want to sound any alarms about the offense.
But some of the things that we were concerned about
coming into the season on paper are showing up a
little bit in this practice today where there isn't a
(01:05):
ton going on down the field, and a lot of
the downfield throws are contested. You know, Jalen Polk down
the sideline with Marcus Jones all over him, or Hunter
Henry Jabriel Peppers broke up a pass for him a
similar type of route down the sideline, and those types
of plays are just not hitting at a high rate
right now. And it's a lot of contested fifty to
fifty type balls, and you just would have liked to
(01:27):
have seen a little bit more of what we saw
from Jalen Rigor yesterday, which was just running wide open
behind the defense. But it's a good defense and you're
not necessarily going to see that all the time against
the Patriots starters. But overall, a clunky day for the offense.
But I don't think it's anything that we didn't already
know about where they're at.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yeah, I mean, I would agree. Overall, there weren't a
lot of flash plays, and the ones that the feud
that did happen were on the defensive side of the ball,
and the ones that Evan mentioned were the ones that
stood out to me. I do think there was some indications,
at least that there were some other guys getting involved.
Taekwon Thornton. I didn't really notice at all on opening day.
He cut a handful of passes today from both Jacoby
(02:07):
Brissett and Drake May. We should probably add that Brissette
again took the lead reps and then you know, Drake
May followed little slight twist after that. Joe Milton went
before Bailey Zappi. All four took reps, but I thought
it was interesting that Milton went third in Zappi fourth today,
but I would agree with that overall assessment. More of
(02:29):
a defensive day today, yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
A little bit.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
I mean, yesterday we saw Joe Milton get a little
I mean, not a lot of action, but got some
like mop up reps, almost completed a couple passes thrown
in time looked okay, seeing almost like hey, let's give
him a little bit more of a shot today. I
want to talk too, though, about Jacoby Brissette, because while
it wasn't outstanding, I think we all agree that there
were some moments where Jacoby Brissett just looked like he
was running the offense the way he need to be run,
hitting the back foot, getting the ball out. That's what
(02:54):
That's why he's here right, so he can run the
offense on time.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, there's no doubt about it that his timing and
just approach to the offense in general, he's a pro.
I mean, he's made forty eight starts in the NFL,
so it's gonna be a little bit better in those
regards to Drake May, and that might be enough at
least initially for him to hold on to the starting
job going into the season. But the one thing that
I consistently feel what Jakobe p said is that there's
(03:19):
this not a whole lot of playmaking or dynamic element
down the field from him, whereas with Drake May, even
though it might be not as perfect in terms of
the timing and all that, which I'm sure the coaches
probably see even more than we do, you have that
threat of on any given drop back you could have
a fifty yard bomb in there somewhere. I don't necessarily
(03:39):
feel that way with Jacob PRIs said, but as politics
to say, there was a lot a couple plays there
today where it looked like a play in a game.
You know that, Okay, you know three step drop balls
out hit the back of the foot. Everybody runs their
routes properly and we have a play right, and that
happens maybe a little bit more assignment with Jakob PRIs
said at this point, no, I totally understand what you're saying.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Though.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
It looks like it happened on a Sunday and we
had a few of those today.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Yeah, and a couple of bookkeeping things. Antonio Gibson looks
like he was taking off of NFI and Girodmeo said
yesterday that it wouldn't be a long term thing expecting
him back. He didn't have his helmet with him. He
didn't really take part in the practice, but he was
in uniform out there did some lower rehab field work.
So he's you know, obviously back on the field and
(04:27):
closer to getting back full strength. That's a good sign
on the flip side. Devon Godshaw, we didn't see him
for about the first hour of practice at all. He
came out later, No, helmet, didn't really do a whole lot.
Now there's a report, I think mass Live tweeted out
that Christian Barmore might be dealing with an illness and
(04:47):
he was limited. He didn't really do much in the
full eleven on eleven work, but I don't know, maybe
Godshaw's dealing with something along those lines too, or maybe
it's just an indication of the contract stuff that and
it's ugly head.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
Yeah, we did hear from Jude On yesterday who kind
of expressed, you know, he'd like a new deal. Clearly
looks like it's heading down that road with gotchall Maybe
he's going to do what Judon did last year, the
hold in. It's the new InVogue thing to do.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Ye.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
My biggest question guys is just how does this all
resolve itself. We don't want this hanging over the team's
head as we go into the season, especially Paul. With
Judon who you know, I mean, he's a valuable player.
He is, he's going to be thirty two in a
few weeks, but he's got some juice and he just
he's the pass rusher that they need off the edge.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
Yeah, and I do think it's important, you know, because
this is a new regime. You want to get off
to a you know, a good start and really at
least put your best foot forward, have the best personnel
that you can out there. So I wouldn't advocate trading
him now, Like if you were going to deal him
I would have said, you know, get it done. You know,
earlier in the offseason where you had a chance to
sort of make a plan to replace him. Now I
(05:49):
would I would go into the season. Maybe, you know,
if he's playing well, he's sort of a leader on
that front seven and you can get going that way,
and if you're not having the success as a team
that you hope, then maybe you can revisit any any
kind of trade possibilities you mentioned. He spoke yesterday, he said,
you know, he doesn't he's not asking for a trade.
He doesn't want to be traded, but the contract is
(06:10):
definitely an issue.
Speaker 4 (06:11):
I mean, I just want to highlight a couple of guys.
You know, it stood out a little bit today. Started
with Jahem Bel rookie seventh round pick, guy that I
know you were high on, had him on your big board,
but we saw him start to get a little bit
involved today. Paul mentioned Marcus Jones earlier kind of active
as in the slot, a guy that we kind of
an unknown commodity. We know he's a returner. You know,
he's been injured. We haven't seen a lot of him.
(06:33):
And also Taekwon Thornton, who we mentioned you know, just
a little bit more active. What did you see from
most of you guys?
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah, just started with Marcus Jones two days in a
row now, where he's been the top slot corner nickel
corner with the Patriots defense, and for right now, on paper,
it would seem like he would be the inside track
or have the inside track to being that top nickel
corner and when they go through true corners, you know,
not talking about big nickel or getting the safeties involved
(06:58):
and stuff like that. He's definitely the guy in man coverage.
I feel the most confident about inside other than obviously
John Jones, but you think he can play more on
the outside still. So I've been encouraged what I've seen
from Marcus Jones. Got a couple hands on a couple
passes over the last few days as well, so he's
had good coverage. We'll see if he can keep it up.
(07:18):
And to your point about Taekwon Thorton, it's just we
do we quit it or do we not? You know,
like you just every day he pulls you back in
and he has one of these types of days. Now,
it was a lot of underneath stuff. It wasn't anything
down the field, We're not that four two eight was
not on full display necessarily, but he did lead the
team with four catches and team drills here today, so
(07:39):
there's certainly something that taekwon Thornton. Every couple of days
we'll have one of these types of practices that make
you believe. Again, I'm not sure I'm totally there, but
we're getting there then, just quickly. But jahe Bell would
stood out with to me with him was how much
they were moving him around, and that was something that
he did a lot in college. And if he can
learn the playbook to a point where he's able to
(08:01):
run routes from various alignments, then that will help him
get on the roster.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Pull anybody else that caught your eye today just in
terms of I mean, I know it was there's not
a lot of big plays, but.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
No, there weren't. And you know, I'm sort of watching
that secondary to see the different you know, combinations and
what I've seen most of if you guys have seen different,
correct me. I've seen Gonzales and Jones with Marcus Jones
in the slot in some of alex Austin, but not
as much as we saw in the spring. So I
wonder if like it's just it's Jonathan Jones and it's
(08:31):
it's Christian Gonzales and then you know, everybody else's.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Marks of the World.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
Yeah, like I thought there was a chance that maybe,
you know, with the amount that we saw Austin in
the spring, that they maybe had designs of him being
on the outside and Jonathan Jones being in the slot.
So far, only two days, I haven't really seen that.
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Yeah, all right, well only two days. But hey, we
got what do we have? Eleven more practices to go.
We're just getting started here. There's obviously things moving, dude. Yeah,
the trains moving, and we're expecting pads to be Monday.
So we're gonna have practices on Friday, practices on Sunday,
and then we'll get to hopefully a little bit ramp
things up a little bit. Guys, little contact contact them
on the smack of the pads, the smack of the helmets.
So be sure to stick on Patriots dot com and
(09:08):
got you covered all through training camp.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
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Subscribe on Apple, google Play, and everywhere else you listen.
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