July 29, 2024 • 9 mins
Tune-in for a full Day 5 recap of Training Camp practice on Monday, July 29, 2024. We discuss the Patriots statement on Christian Barmore's health issue. It was a tough day for Drake Maye and offensive line had issues blocking the defense during the first day of full pads. Offense continues to be a work in progress. Overall, there was a high physicality to practice. Plus, injury updates, plays and players that stood out and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Patriots Training Camp Cast is your source for all
the news from Patriots training Camp.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, I do still watch the news. Practice is over,
but the writers of Patriots dot com have you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Covered what did I miss yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Now here to review today's practice the writers of Patriots
dot Com.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training
Camp Cast. I Mike do So, joined by Tamara Brown
and Paul Perillo and guys. It's been an active twenty
four hours here, and I think right off the top,
we've got to mention Christian Barmore, Patriots making announcement last
night that he's I guess, suffering from blood clots. You know,
significant issue. We've seen this happen in the past with athletes,
but it seems like Christian barmore status is now kind
(00:47):
of being put on hold for the indefinite future, which
is just a big blow I think to the defense.
And of course you want Christian to be healthy, that's
the biggest thing. But we talk about the team here, Tamara,
this is this is a big blow anyway you cut it.
He's an important young player.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He's very important. I feel like two days ago, I
was just saying, Wow, this guy has the caliber to
make it to the Pro Bowl this season. I was
so excited for him, especially after his contract and then
looking at the depth, Mike, you're always someone who's bringing
that up. With this defense, there's no one behind Judean,
There's no one behind Barmore that you think could play
at his level. So I want him to be healthy,
I want him to be out there, and I'm also
(01:20):
thinking who is going to step up and fill his shoes.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So we jumped into practice and we got to move
on and you know, today's first day of pads, very
exciting usually, and we saw some one on ones Paul.
But the big picture, I think that we watched practice separately,
so you know, we come to this without without conferring.
But I thought an Okada for the number one offense
with Jacoby Brissett, we've settled kind of on the same
offensive line. I thought the run game particularly looked like
(01:43):
they hit a couple plays there. It wasn't overwhelming, it
wasn't oh, you know, they're just making plays left and right,
but it felt like the semblance of an offense out
there today.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean I did think there were some times
I thought the cohesion was more in the seven on seven,
but I do think there were some some runs they hit. Stevenson,
Kevin Harris had a little uh got a seam off
the left side on a play. So there were some
moments I thought. I thought it was a good first
step in pads. I thought there was some physicality, you know,
(02:11):
for the most part, I thought it was kind of
a stalemate up front. I thought, uh, you know, most
of the runs were kind of met with with resistance.
But I did like some of those plays that they hit.
And then that kind of you mentioned the first offense
quote unquote the first offense. I thought that led to
some some plays for Jacoby Brissette. I thought this was
the most comfortable he's looked, you know, in training camp.
(02:34):
So maybe some baby steps there, you know, for that group,
I think we'll get to. The group that followed with
Drake May wasn't as much, but yeah, some some positive
science for preset.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well let's jump right into its marre. I mean, I
just I from my vantage point, it just kind of
a tough day for Drake May and I thought there was,
you know, not a lot of protection up front. David
Andrews was also missing from practice, so I think a
little bit of the trickle down effect at center might
have affected that a little bit. But just not a
lot of big plays, you know, just it seemed like
Drake was kind of struggling today line problems. As I mentioned,
(03:05):
what did you think of Drake's performance today?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I wasn't expecting another interception today obviously, you know,
it went to Dugger again, who seems to always be
in the right place at the right time. It's going
to be a tough one for him, especially if guys
continue to go down or be missing from practice. But
I do want to touch on Leyden Robinson, another rookie
who I thought flash today on the offensive line. Haven't
really heard his name much throughout camp, but today he
(03:28):
had a great one on one against deechurch Wise. So
it's been interesting to see, like another rookie and how
they continue to emerge throughout camp.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, well, Paul, what about you? What was your take?
Just kind of on that second offense with May And
again they're rotating a lot of guys, especially like the
wide receiver tight end position, so he's working with different bodies.
But but it just was clung out.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, just to me, I felt like, and this
is kind of a continuation that we saw a little
bit on Sunday. I just felt like he was a
little late with some of his reads, the double pumps
he was starting to see too often, and some late
throws to the outside, like we looks unsure of himself.
So I mean, those are some things that he's going
to have to clean up. And I sort of talked
(04:06):
about this before camp started. What I want to see
is as camp goes on, something that I saw, say
on Monday or Tuesday, I don't see on Thursday at Friday,
So we'll see how he takes that. I do think
it was a little choppy today for him and his receivers.
I thought he had a couple of guys that he
sailed some balls on. You know, it might have been
others that weren't particularly open. So I think it's sort
(04:28):
of a work in progress for the entire group. It's quarterbacks, receivers,
it's the protection, it's everything. It's not just Drake May.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And I do think when you're dealing with an artistic
quarterback like Drake May, it's going to take some time
for his wide receivers to learn him especially as the
plays break down, and that has happened, happened a lot
over the past couple of days, just learning him, figuring out,
figuring him out, and knowing that the play is not
over even when the pocket breaks up.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, so we did have Kaden Wallace back on a
left tackle, chooks a Kora four over on the right side.
You know, I was able to catch a little bit
of the one on one. You know, I thought I
thought that Wallace did okay, held his own. You know,
a couple of reps that I just saw going. It
seemed like Guce got around him. Jenning Z, I thought
he held his own. Fifty four Morgan, I thought he
held his own. But you know, there's a thing to
kind of watch quickly and it's just in a bubble.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, the one on ones a tough to gauge. I thought. Overall,
you know, it wasn't terrible today. I didn't think the
offensive line, you know, they had some breakdowns obviously, But
the bigger thing for me was the lack of discipline
on offense in general. There were a lot of mistakes,
a lot of false starts, a lot of pre snap penalties.
Talked to Austin Hooper about it afterward, and he just
talked about, you know, these are things that don't require talent,
(05:35):
you know, being able to stay on side. And it
got to the point where Mayo sort of sent the
whole offense running with one rep left. You know, there
was the very last set of eleven on eleven's and
it was four places for were set four place for
may and it was going to be four plays, and
after the third play with Joe Milton, he sent everybody running,
and so that you know, clearly tells you there was
some frustration from the coach. Now, Hooper thought that was
(05:57):
a really good sign from Mayo that you know, you
you gotta get this stuff straightened out now, and you
can decide, and Hooper had a colorful way to say it,
you can decide if you want to be a cross
country team or a football team. I'd rather be a
football team. But if you're not going to do the
things that you're supposed to do, you're gonna at least
be in good condition.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Paul and I liked that he did that when Joe
Milton had the ball, like because he could have easily
been like, okay, well you know this is our third
third string quarterback going in at third in for these reps,
and you could have let it slide, but he let it.
He didn't let it keep going, and he made them
run during that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and it felt like it kind of had built up.
I mean there's been there stars, Yeah, false starts. There
were a lot of laps run today, a lot of
laps run, and a couple other housekeeping things. Of course,
I didn't love seeing this. Jabill Peppers got banged up.
Looked like he went over to the trainer's table, tried
to come out and give it a go, look frustrated,
went back in. He did not finish practice. We had
a little scuffle. Josh Ujay I think got sent off.
(06:52):
And probably the thing that most people are wondering about is,
you know, we're watching first padded practice. Matthew Judon comes
out early before he is not in pads. He's out
to just you know, throw footballs to the fans like
he usually does. That preceded then we caught a sight
of a conversation with Jial Mayo. Wed later I caught
sight of him out in conversation with Elliott Wolf and
Matt grow He ended up walking off the field. I
(07:14):
didn't get a great vibe. It's hard to tell what
was being said. We're not lip readers or anything like that,
but it just doesn't seem like the you know, I
think when we started camp it was I'm here, you know,
we're gonna figure it out, and you know, it just
it seems like maybe there's some sticking points or something,
because it seems like there's something going on there.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Not a great sign.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, it's not a great sign. And I
just wonder too, does it help when you're signing someone
like Jabil Peppers like forty eight hours ago, seeing another
guy get signed when you're still waiting for yours? Does
that build even more frustration? Obviously? I feel like on
social media he posted that he's happy for him and
he felt like he deserved it, but it's got to
be tough to see yet another contract being signed.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, So for sure, there's a lot going on, and
we'll see what happens with Pepper's David Andrews. We mentioned
was out little trickle down effect. I think they're already
kind of hurt there at Center without Jake Andrews, So
you know, some shuffling and this is what happens you
get into camp, guys start getting banged up. But hey,
we still just got into pads today. We've got we
think another pads day tomorrow before and off day on Wednesday.
So I think, to Paul's point, looking at some of
(08:08):
the mistakes, some of the things to clean up, maybe
tomorrow they can come out, limit those pre snap penalties,
not hurt themselves, and maybe they can have a day
where they'll grow Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Absolutely, and it was good to see Antonio Gibson out
there today, especially with him starting camp. You know one
what was it the NFI.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
List seeing run from him today?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, seeing him dressed and actually participating was a good sign.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
All right, Well that's going to do it for us
for another Patriots training camp cast. And folks, we've got
five practices down. We got i think eight more to go,
thirteen totals, so we're cruising right along. Pads are on,
so it just got a little bit more fun, so
be true. Sure to tune in again tomorrow for another
recap of a padded practice.
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Speaker 3 (09:02):
H
This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
The Patriots Training Camp Cast is your source for all
the news from Patriots training Camp.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, I do still watch the news. Practice is over,
but the writers of Patriots dot com have you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Covered what did I miss yesterday?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Now here to review today's practice the writers of Patriots
dot Com.
Speaker 4 (00:25):
All right, welcome into another edition of the Patriots Training
Camp Cast. I Mike do So, joined by Tamara Brown
and Paul Perillo and guys. It's been an active twenty
four hours here, and I think right off the top,
we've got to mention Christian Barmore, Patriots making announcement last
night that he's I guess, suffering from blood clots. You know,
significant issue. We've seen this happen in the past with athletes,
but it seems like Christian barmore status is now kind
(00:47):
of being put on hold for the indefinite future, which
is just a big blow I think to the defense.
And of course you want Christian to be healthy, that's
the biggest thing. But we talk about the team here, Tamara,
this is this is a big blow anyway you cut it.
He's an important young player.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
He's very important. I feel like two days ago, I
was just saying, Wow, this guy has the caliber to
make it to the Pro Bowl this season. I was
so excited for him, especially after his contract and then
looking at the depth, Mike, you're always someone who's bringing
that up. With this defense, there's no one behind Judean,
There's no one behind Barmore that you think could play
at his level. So I want him to be healthy,
I want him to be out there, and I'm also
(01:20):
thinking who is going to step up and fill his shoes.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
So we jumped into practice and we got to move
on and you know, today's first day of pads, very
exciting usually, and we saw some one on ones Paul.
But the big picture, I think that we watched practice separately,
so you know, we come to this without without conferring.
But I thought an Okada for the number one offense
with Jacoby Brissett, we've settled kind of on the same
offensive line. I thought the run game particularly looked like
(01:43):
they hit a couple plays there. It wasn't overwhelming, it
wasn't oh, you know, they're just making plays left and right,
but it felt like the semblance of an offense out
there today.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah, I mean I did think there were some times
I thought the cohesion was more in the seven on seven,
but I do think there were some some runs they hit. Stevenson,
Kevin Harris had a little uh got a seam off
the left side on a play. So there were some
moments I thought. I thought it was a good first
step in pads. I thought there was some physicality, you know,
(02:11):
for the most part, I thought it was kind of
a stalemate up front. I thought, uh, you know, most
of the runs were kind of met with with resistance.
But I did like some of those plays that they hit.
And then that kind of you mentioned the first offense
quote unquote the first offense. I thought that led to
some some plays for Jacoby Brissette. I thought this was
the most comfortable he's looked, you know, in training camp.
(02:34):
So maybe some baby steps there, you know, for that group,
I think we'll get to. The group that followed with
Drake May wasn't as much, but yeah, some some positive
science for preset.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Well let's jump right into its marre. I mean, I
just I from my vantage point, it just kind of
a tough day for Drake May and I thought there was,
you know, not a lot of protection up front. David
Andrews was also missing from practice, so I think a
little bit of the trickle down effect at center might
have affected that a little bit. But just not a
lot of big plays, you know, just it seemed like
Drake was kind of struggling today line problems. As I mentioned,
(03:05):
what did you think of Drake's performance today?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Yeah, I wasn't expecting another interception today obviously, you know,
it went to Dugger again, who seems to always be
in the right place at the right time. It's going
to be a tough one for him, especially if guys
continue to go down or be missing from practice. But
I do want to touch on Leyden Robinson, another rookie
who I thought flash today on the offensive line. Haven't
really heard his name much throughout camp, but today he
(03:28):
had a great one on one against deechurch Wise. So
it's been interesting to see, like another rookie and how
they continue to emerge throughout camp.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Yeah, well, Paul, what about you? What was your take?
Just kind of on that second offense with May And
again they're rotating a lot of guys, especially like the
wide receiver tight end position, so he's working with different bodies.
But but it just was clung out.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I mean, just to me, I felt like, and this
is kind of a continuation that we saw a little
bit on Sunday. I just felt like he was a
little late with some of his reads, the double pumps
he was starting to see too often, and some late
throws to the outside, like we looks unsure of himself.
So I mean, those are some things that he's going
to have to clean up. And I sort of talked
(04:06):
about this before camp started. What I want to see
is as camp goes on, something that I saw, say
on Monday or Tuesday, I don't see on Thursday at Friday,
So we'll see how he takes that. I do think
it was a little choppy today for him and his receivers.
I thought he had a couple of guys that he
sailed some balls on. You know, it might have been
others that weren't particularly open. So I think it's sort
(04:28):
of a work in progress for the entire group. It's quarterbacks, receivers,
it's the protection, it's everything. It's not just Drake May.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
And I do think when you're dealing with an artistic
quarterback like Drake May, it's going to take some time
for his wide receivers to learn him especially as the
plays break down, and that has happened, happened a lot
over the past couple of days, just learning him, figuring out,
figuring him out, and knowing that the play is not
over even when the pocket breaks up.
Speaker 4 (04:51):
Yeah, so we did have Kaden Wallace back on a
left tackle, chooks a Kora four over on the right side.
You know, I was able to catch a little bit
of the one on one. You know, I thought I
thought that Wallace did okay, held his own. You know,
a couple of reps that I just saw going. It
seemed like Guce got around him. Jenning Z, I thought
he held his own. Fifty four Morgan, I thought he
held his own. But you know, there's a thing to
kind of watch quickly and it's just in a bubble.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yeah, the one on ones a tough to gauge. I thought. Overall,
you know, it wasn't terrible today. I didn't think the
offensive line, you know, they had some breakdowns obviously, But
the bigger thing for me was the lack of discipline
on offense in general. There were a lot of mistakes,
a lot of false starts, a lot of pre snap penalties.
Talked to Austin Hooper about it afterward, and he just
talked about, you know, these are things that don't require talent,
(05:35):
you know, being able to stay on side. And it
got to the point where Mayo sort of sent the
whole offense running with one rep left. You know, there
was the very last set of eleven on eleven's and
it was four places for were set four place for
may and it was going to be four plays, and
after the third play with Joe Milton, he sent everybody running,
and so that you know, clearly tells you there was
some frustration from the coach. Now, Hooper thought that was
(05:57):
a really good sign from Mayo that you know, you
you gotta get this stuff straightened out now, and you
can decide, and Hooper had a colorful way to say it,
you can decide if you want to be a cross
country team or a football team. I'd rather be a
football team. But if you're not going to do the
things that you're supposed to do, you're gonna at least
be in good condition.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Paul and I liked that he did that when Joe
Milton had the ball, like because he could have easily
been like, okay, well you know this is our third
third string quarterback going in at third in for these reps,
and you could have let it slide, but he let it.
He didn't let it keep going, and he made them
run during that.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
Yeah, and it felt like it kind of had built up.
I mean there's been there stars, Yeah, false starts. There
were a lot of laps run today, a lot of
laps run, and a couple other housekeeping things. Of course,
I didn't love seeing this. Jabill Peppers got banged up.
Looked like he went over to the trainer's table, tried
to come out and give it a go, look frustrated,
went back in. He did not finish practice. We had
a little scuffle. Josh Ujay I think got sent off.
(06:52):
And probably the thing that most people are wondering about is,
you know, we're watching first padded practice. Matthew Judon comes
out early before he is not in pads. He's out
to just you know, throw footballs to the fans like
he usually does. That preceded then we caught a sight
of a conversation with Jial Mayo. Wed later I caught
sight of him out in conversation with Elliott Wolf and
Matt grow He ended up walking off the field. I
(07:14):
didn't get a great vibe. It's hard to tell what
was being said. We're not lip readers or anything like that,
but it just doesn't seem like the you know, I
think when we started camp it was I'm here, you know,
we're gonna figure it out, and you know, it just
it seems like maybe there's some sticking points or something,
because it seems like there's something going on there.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Not a great sign.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Absolutely, yeah, yeah, it's not a great sign. And I
just wonder too, does it help when you're signing someone
like Jabil Peppers like forty eight hours ago, seeing another
guy get signed when you're still waiting for yours? Does
that build even more frustration? Obviously? I feel like on
social media he posted that he's happy for him and
he felt like he deserved it, but it's got to
be tough to see yet another contract being signed.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Yeah, So for sure, there's a lot going on, and
we'll see what happens with Pepper's David Andrews. We mentioned
was out little trickle down effect. I think they're already
kind of hurt there at Center without Jake Andrews, So
you know, some shuffling and this is what happens you
get into camp, guys start getting banged up. But hey,
we still just got into pads today. We've got we
think another pads day tomorrow before and off day on Wednesday.
So I think, to Paul's point, looking at some of
(08:08):
the mistakes, some of the things to clean up, maybe
tomorrow they can come out, limit those pre snap penalties,
not hurt themselves, and maybe they can have a day
where they'll grow Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Absolutely, and it was good to see Antonio Gibson out
there today, especially with him starting camp. You know one
what was it the NFI.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
List seeing run from him today?
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Yeah, seeing him dressed and actually participating was a good sign.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
All right, Well that's going to do it for us
for another Patriots training camp cast. And folks, we've got
five practices down. We got i think eight more to go,
thirteen totals, so we're cruising right along. Pads are on,
so it just got a little bit more fun, so
be true. Sure to tune in again tomorrow for another
recap of a padded practice.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
Thank you for downloading this podcast. Subscribe on Apple, google Play,
and everywhere else you listen. Like the show, Please rate
and review us listener comments and ratings help keep us
high in the podcast rankings, so new listeners can find us.
Be sure to check patriots dot com for more news
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