August 4, 2025 • 10 mins
Marathon Red Zone Day, WR/RB standouts, OL juggling continues and more from Day 10. Mike Dussault, Paul Perillo and Evan Lazar break down everything that stood out from Day 10 of Patriots Training Camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The Patriots are back on the practice fields on Monday
and spend a large amount of time inside the red zone.
How they do, We're gonna break it down for you.
Welcome everybody to the Patriots training camp cast. And after
two days off, the Patriots are back on the practice
fields today, back in pads, long sessions, spent most of
(00:24):
their time in the red zone pall and just to
set it up, I would say, felt like Drake may
the offense got off to a good start early and
seven on seven and some of the early high red
zone periods, but later in the day felt like the
defense won things.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I would largely agree with your assessment. A lot of reps,
a lot of they got a lot of plays in today,
a lot of situational plays starting from you know, around
the twenty five at one point late in the game,
late game situations they closed practice with, and then they
went all the way on to the low red zone
with various situations down in distance. So I think they've
got a lot of work done. But I would agree
(00:56):
with you. And DJ James was one guy in particular,
I thought he really flashed that first day when he
was with the you in with Alex Austin with Gonzo
out in, Carlton Davis out, but I thought he kind
of flattened out a little bit the last couple of days.
He was right back there today, including one rep against
Stefan Diggs which really caught my eye. Not an easy
(01:17):
guy to keep track of, even in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with that. I thought when the
offense was in the high red zoner right outside the
red zone, they were able to make some bigger plays
down the field, with Trevon Henderson highlighting the practice with
two big plays on linebackers in coverage, so when they
were outside it and they could throw it in from
like the twenty or twenty five. I thought the offense
found some success early on in the practice, but then
(01:40):
when they moved into the low red zone portion inside
the ten yard line, the coverage, like Paul said, really
tightened up and DJ James had multiple good reps against
frontline players digs Kyle Williams, Kishan Boody. So it was
a back and forth which is always good to see,
but the defense seemed to win that later portion of
practice definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Other back and forth they let's highlight though the final
play of practice it was a fourth down content the
fourth about four yard line. Drake put it up, targeting
Kayshawan Boody, DJ James Titan coverage. Nobody knows for sure
if he got both feet down. I think everybody said
he caught the ball. We still don't know. It was
one of those bang bang got to have it plays.
But overall, I think it highlighted just the level of
(02:20):
competitiveness that continues to permeate through this camp. You know,
one more player, Paul I Gotta I have to highlights
Javon Baker. We've talked a little bit about him playing
mostly with the second team, but at one period in
seven on seven where he had I think three straight
touchdown catches from Josh Dobbs. Also had a nice catch
in eleven Eleven's had to drop though I guess got
punched out of him later on another drive. So Javon
(02:41):
Baker maybe a little bit behind the front line guys,
but he seems like he's putting together a little bit
of it.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Maybe got a little bit of a push. I would
say he's been more active the last two or three
times we've seen practice than he had been previously. But
the you know, the one that that I kind of
take away allowing that one on the back line of
the end zone under the goal post knocked out. I
think the play probably would have been a sack anyway,
but that's of no consequence to the receiver catch the
ball if the ball is thrown to you. But I
(03:08):
do think he made some plays today. He looked like
he had a little swagger to it as well during
that hat trick that you talked about in the seven
on seven. Yeah, so let's see this. I don't think
that anyone is really emerged beyond the guys that we've
been talking a lot about. You know, Diggs is clearly
in a different class, and I think to Mario Douglas
has separated himself. Kaishan Boody continues to I think impress
(03:32):
And that play that you were talking about, it was
I think a fourth and three with about seventeen seconds
to go. Matt grow was on the sideline standing right there.
He called it a touchdown. Pretty much everybody else was
saying no good. I never really caught Rabel because Rabel
was making a lot of the calls. I don't know
if you guys could. Rabel was making a lot of
calls on some of the disputed plays along the side,
(03:54):
and he definitely caught the ball. We had a really
good look at it, but it was tough to tell
if you got the two feet in. Macro said he
did great catch by booty either way, I mean it
was an unbelievable catch.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, it was a got to have it. It was
kind of a heave by Drake May into contested window.
But Kasehan Boody, I thought we both kind of felt
like Deuce we were watching practice together, that he got
both feet and bounds and probably caught the ball, but
he would have needed to replay in the refs on
hand to the command center back in New York to
go ahead and look at that. But uh, glad you
mentioned Javon Baker because I just continue to feel like
(04:26):
his skill set is different than the other guys that
have been repping out on the field so far. Kyle
Williams a little smaller speed receiver plays on the outside
booty not quite the athletic specimen that Baker is. So
I just I look at Javon Baker and I see
that back shoulder fade that he caught from Josh Dobbs
(04:46):
early on in practice, and his ability to go up
and get the ball outside his frame and adjust to
it and box another defender out, and those types of
things are maybe just a little bit different than some
of the other X receiver options that they have. So
I agree. I think he's making a little bit of
a push here, and I'm curious to see if he
starts to get some reps with Drake May and the ones.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, let's do a Kicker update, Paul. It was eight
kicks today and I think all eight of them went through.
We thought they were all good. You confirmed from your
perch and you thought they look pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean my perch for whatever it's worth. But yeah,
I thought in the stadium. I made a mentioned that
late in our podcast Friday night that I thought that
was a strong night for the Kickers. I think they
took that into today's practice because you know, I've sort
of been nitpicky a little bit about even some of
the makes haven't looked great. Well, that hasn't been the
case now for two or three practices. Today I thought
(05:37):
they went both of them are perfect, four for four
and they all look to be right down the middle.
I mean, there was no doubt in my view about
any of them, and they're continuing to stretch out the
distance too. It's usually ends in around fifty to fifty
two yards, so not like they're all just making chip shots.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, it was an extremely close competition at this point.
And I know some people hear that and say, oh,
it was a sack round pick, like you would want
the sixth round pick to beat out Parker Romo. But
this isn't like they're both like been men like one
guy is just this is both guys have just been
nails like for like multiple practices at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think Mike said at the beginning of practice sometimes
they're both nineteen for twenty one going in, so do
the math. It's what twenty three for twenty five at
this point. Yeah, I think it's a good problem to have.
You have two options and both guys seem to be
kicking well.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I do wonder if it comes down to little things
like kickoffs and like you know, some of the other
minutia that goes into kicking that maybe it comes down
to in the end, because both guys have been accurate,
so it's not an accuracy thing, but maybe you know,
one has a little bit more leg or one's a
little bit better on the kickoffs, or whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Let's get through some housekeeping stuff. Two days off, Yeah,
had a couple guys return. Gret Bradberry was back there
at center, right back into that top center spot. Antonio Gibson,
who had missed a practice or two, he was out
back out there. Mike Fabel saying before practice that kender
Porn got rolled up on in the scrimmage. We saw
him leave Friday night. He was not out there. Carlton
(07:05):
Davis was out there, continues to kind of do some
warm ups and then doesn't really participate in He went
down the lower periods. Yeah, and Fanarian Low last remaining
guy off the pew p list, so he was out
there participating as well. The one that was kind of
a bummer though for I think all of us, Hey Levon,
Chase On not out there. I'd seen something late when
I was going back through Twitter on Friday night that
(07:25):
somebody said he left. I did not see that Friday night,
but he was not out there either. He's had a
great camp. That's one of those disappointing ones where a
guy seems like he's putting good days together and then
he seems to get injured.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean I I cautioned to read too much
into these. I know my colleagues liked to do this,
but I did see him out there, and to me,
that's sometimes and up, you know, and sort of an
indication that it's not overly serious. He's out there, he's
not necessarily rehabbing the whole time. He was out on
the practice fields, at least late in the practice I
saw him. So yeah, hopefully it's not something I'll keep
(07:57):
himut too long. I agree with you. I think he's
had a great camp.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Two more things touch on ev here. A couple guys
work harded off today, Jacquel and Roy, as well as
Marcellus Dial who was down for a little while. Unfortunate
for him. He's had a pretty good camp. We did
see Morgan Moses left about I don't know, three quarters
of the way through practice. Hard to tell if that
has to do with the pitch count that he's been on,
but either way, it opened up an opportunity suddenly Marcus Bryant,
(08:21):
the rookie they're at right tackle, getting some snaps with
the first team towards the end. I don't know exactly
what that means, but that's a little bit of a
new twist on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, let's keep it on that because that's the positive
to take away. The negative is there's been some injuries
and I and look this day and age in the NFL,
some of these things, they're just bumps and bruises that
they are careful with some of the veteran players, you know,
Morgan Moses, for example, Carton Davis who's around and is
doing some warm ups and doing some individual and then
(08:49):
kind of going and rehabbing. So like, I'm not overly
worried about you know, those guys, Gonzo, Like, I think
those guys are on a plan and there's something you
know to that. But Marcus Bryant, you mentioned him the
first day that I've seen him take reps at right
tackle with the ones over Tray Jacobs as the top
backup to Morgan Moses there at right tackle. No disrespect
(09:13):
whatsoever to Tray Jacobs, but that's a draft pick that
you just used in the seventh round on a really
toolsy tackles, A big, tall, a really good athlete played
left tackle at Missouri opposite of armand Membu who went
in the first round and played right tackle. So if
Marcus Brian makes a push here and ends up being
your third tackle, I think that's a positive development. A
(09:33):
lot like Will Campbell and Jared Wilson starting would be
a positive development. You're trying to raise the floor of
that room and raise the talent level of that room.
And if Marcus Bryant's a little bit better than Trey
Jacobs are a little bit better than Vederian Lowe as
your swing tackle, that's a positive. And we know he
can play the left side because he did it in college,
so if he can flip back and forth another positive.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All right, well, we're going to gear up for joint
practices on Wednesday, probably a walk through tomorrow. They set
the stage for that. If you're around though, If you're
able to make it down here for joint practice, it's
definitely recommend it. But if not, you can tune into
Patriots on Filtered. We'll be live from training camp and
if you can't listen to that, tune into the campcast.
Right after we'll break down the full joint practice and
everything that went down, so we'll see you then.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.
If you really want to help us, make sure you
like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts
or Spotify. Also make sure you follow us on the
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everything else that we do here at the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Thanks a lot,
The Patriots are back on the practice fields on Monday
and spend a large amount of time inside the red zone.
How they do, We're gonna break it down for you.
Welcome everybody to the Patriots training camp cast. And after
two days off, the Patriots are back on the practice
fields today, back in pads, long sessions, spent most of
(00:24):
their time in the red zone pall and just to
set it up, I would say, felt like Drake may
the offense got off to a good start early and
seven on seven and some of the early high red
zone periods, but later in the day felt like the
defense won things.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
I would largely agree with your assessment. A lot of reps,
a lot of they got a lot of plays in today,
a lot of situational plays starting from you know, around
the twenty five at one point late in the game,
late game situations they closed practice with, and then they
went all the way on to the low red zone
with various situations down in distance. So I think they've
got a lot of work done. But I would agree
(00:56):
with you. And DJ James was one guy in particular,
I thought he really flashed that first day when he
was with the you in with Alex Austin with Gonzo
out in, Carlton Davis out, but I thought he kind
of flattened out a little bit the last couple of days.
He was right back there today, including one rep against
Stefan Diggs which really caught my eye. Not an easy
(01:17):
guy to keep track of, even in the red zone.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, yeah, I'd agree with that. I thought when the
offense was in the high red zoner right outside the
red zone, they were able to make some bigger plays
down the field, with Trevon Henderson highlighting the practice with
two big plays on linebackers in coverage, so when they
were outside it and they could throw it in from
like the twenty or twenty five. I thought the offense
found some success early on in the practice, but then
(01:40):
when they moved into the low red zone portion inside
the ten yard line, the coverage, like Paul said, really
tightened up and DJ James had multiple good reps against
frontline players digs Kyle Williams, Kishan Boody. So it was
a back and forth which is always good to see,
but the defense seemed to win that later portion of
practice definitely.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Other back and forth they let's highlight though the final
play of practice it was a fourth down content the
fourth about four yard line. Drake put it up, targeting
Kayshawan Boody, DJ James Titan coverage. Nobody knows for sure
if he got both feet down. I think everybody said
he caught the ball. We still don't know. It was
one of those bang bang got to have it plays.
But overall, I think it highlighted just the level of
(02:20):
competitiveness that continues to permeate through this camp. You know,
one more player, Paul I Gotta I have to highlights
Javon Baker. We've talked a little bit about him playing
mostly with the second team, but at one period in
seven on seven where he had I think three straight
touchdown catches from Josh Dobbs. Also had a nice catch
in eleven Eleven's had to drop though I guess got
punched out of him later on another drive. So Javon
(02:41):
Baker maybe a little bit behind the front line guys,
but he seems like he's putting together a little bit
of it.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Maybe got a little bit of a push. I would
say he's been more active the last two or three
times we've seen practice than he had been previously. But
the you know, the one that that I kind of
take away allowing that one on the back line of
the end zone under the goal post knocked out. I
think the play probably would have been a sack anyway,
but that's of no consequence to the receiver catch the
ball if the ball is thrown to you. But I
(03:08):
do think he made some plays today. He looked like
he had a little swagger to it as well during
that hat trick that you talked about in the seven
on seven. Yeah, so let's see this. I don't think
that anyone is really emerged beyond the guys that we've
been talking a lot about. You know, Diggs is clearly
in a different class, and I think to Mario Douglas
has separated himself. Kaishan Boody continues to I think impress
(03:32):
And that play that you were talking about, it was
I think a fourth and three with about seventeen seconds
to go. Matt grow was on the sideline standing right there.
He called it a touchdown. Pretty much everybody else was
saying no good. I never really caught Rabel because Rabel
was making a lot of the calls. I don't know
if you guys could. Rabel was making a lot of
calls on some of the disputed plays along the side,
(03:54):
and he definitely caught the ball. We had a really
good look at it, but it was tough to tell
if you got the two feet in. Macro said he
did great catch by booty either way, I mean it
was an unbelievable catch.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, it was a got to have it. It was
kind of a heave by Drake May into contested window.
But Kasehan Boody, I thought we both kind of felt
like Deuce we were watching practice together, that he got
both feet and bounds and probably caught the ball, but
he would have needed to replay in the refs on
hand to the command center back in New York to
go ahead and look at that. But uh, glad you
mentioned Javon Baker because I just continue to feel like
(04:26):
his skill set is different than the other guys that
have been repping out on the field so far. Kyle
Williams a little smaller speed receiver plays on the outside
booty not quite the athletic specimen that Baker is. So
I just I look at Javon Baker and I see
that back shoulder fade that he caught from Josh Dobbs
(04:46):
early on in practice, and his ability to go up
and get the ball outside his frame and adjust to
it and box another defender out, and those types of
things are maybe just a little bit different than some
of the other X receiver options that they have. So
I agree. I think he's making a little bit of
a push here, and I'm curious to see if he
starts to get some reps with Drake May and the ones.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Yeah, let's do a Kicker update, Paul. It was eight
kicks today and I think all eight of them went through.
We thought they were all good. You confirmed from your
perch and you thought they look pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, I mean my perch for whatever it's worth. But yeah,
I thought in the stadium. I made a mentioned that
late in our podcast Friday night that I thought that
was a strong night for the Kickers. I think they
took that into today's practice because you know, I've sort
of been nitpicky a little bit about even some of
the makes haven't looked great. Well, that hasn't been the
case now for two or three practices. Today I thought
(05:37):
they went both of them are perfect, four for four
and they all look to be right down the middle.
I mean, there was no doubt in my view about
any of them, and they're continuing to stretch out the
distance too. It's usually ends in around fifty to fifty
two yards, so not like they're all just making chip shots.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Yeah, it was an extremely close competition at this point.
And I know some people hear that and say, oh,
it was a sack round pick, like you would want
the sixth round pick to beat out Parker Romo. But
this isn't like they're both like been men like one
guy is just this is both guys have just been
nails like for like multiple practices at this point.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think Mike said at the beginning of practice sometimes
they're both nineteen for twenty one going in, so do
the math. It's what twenty three for twenty five at
this point. Yeah, I think it's a good problem to have.
You have two options and both guys seem to be
kicking well.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
I do wonder if it comes down to little things
like kickoffs and like you know, some of the other
minutia that goes into kicking that maybe it comes down
to in the end, because both guys have been accurate,
so it's not an accuracy thing, but maybe you know,
one has a little bit more leg or one's a
little bit better on the kickoffs, or whatever the case
may be.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
Let's get through some housekeeping stuff. Two days off, Yeah,
had a couple guys return. Gret Bradberry was back there
at center, right back into that top center spot. Antonio Gibson,
who had missed a practice or two, he was out
back out there. Mike Fabel saying before practice that kender
Porn got rolled up on in the scrimmage. We saw
him leave Friday night. He was not out there. Carlton
(07:05):
Davis was out there, continues to kind of do some
warm ups and then doesn't really participate in He went
down the lower periods. Yeah, and Fanarian Low last remaining
guy off the pew p list, so he was out
there participating as well. The one that was kind of
a bummer though for I think all of us, Hey Levon,
Chase On not out there. I'd seen something late when
I was going back through Twitter on Friday night that
(07:25):
somebody said he left. I did not see that Friday night,
but he was not out there either. He's had a
great camp. That's one of those disappointing ones where a
guy seems like he's putting good days together and then
he seems to get injured.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Yeah, I mean I I cautioned to read too much
into these. I know my colleagues liked to do this,
but I did see him out there, and to me,
that's sometimes and up, you know, and sort of an
indication that it's not overly serious. He's out there, he's
not necessarily rehabbing the whole time. He was out on
the practice fields, at least late in the practice I
saw him. So yeah, hopefully it's not something I'll keep
(07:57):
himut too long. I agree with you. I think he's
had a great camp.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Two more things touch on ev here. A couple guys
work harded off today, Jacquel and Roy, as well as
Marcellus Dial who was down for a little while. Unfortunate
for him. He's had a pretty good camp. We did
see Morgan Moses left about I don't know, three quarters
of the way through practice. Hard to tell if that
has to do with the pitch count that he's been on,
but either way, it opened up an opportunity suddenly Marcus Bryant,
(08:21):
the rookie they're at right tackle, getting some snaps with
the first team towards the end. I don't know exactly
what that means, but that's a little bit of a
new twist on the offensive line.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Yeah, let's keep it on that because that's the positive
to take away. The negative is there's been some injuries
and I and look this day and age in the NFL,
some of these things, they're just bumps and bruises that
they are careful with some of the veteran players, you know,
Morgan Moses, for example, Carton Davis who's around and is
doing some warm ups and doing some individual and then
(08:49):
kind of going and rehabbing. So like, I'm not overly
worried about you know, those guys, Gonzo, Like, I think
those guys are on a plan and there's something you
know to that. But Marcus Bryant, you mentioned him the
first day that I've seen him take reps at right
tackle with the ones over Tray Jacobs as the top
backup to Morgan Moses there at right tackle. No disrespect
(09:13):
whatsoever to Tray Jacobs, but that's a draft pick that
you just used in the seventh round on a really
toolsy tackles, A big, tall, a really good athlete played
left tackle at Missouri opposite of armand Membu who went
in the first round and played right tackle. So if
Marcus Brian makes a push here and ends up being
your third tackle, I think that's a positive development. A
(09:33):
lot like Will Campbell and Jared Wilson starting would be
a positive development. You're trying to raise the floor of
that room and raise the talent level of that room.
And if Marcus Bryant's a little bit better than Trey
Jacobs are a little bit better than Vederian Lowe as
your swing tackle, that's a positive. And we know he
can play the left side because he did it in college,
so if he can flip back and forth another positive.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
All right, well, we're going to gear up for joint
practices on Wednesday, probably a walk through tomorrow. They set
the stage for that. If you're around though, If you're
able to make it down here for joint practice, it's
definitely recommend it. But if not, you can tune into
Patriots on Filtered. We'll be live from training camp and
if you can't listen to that, tune into the campcast.
Right after we'll break down the full joint practice and
everything that went down, so we'll see you then.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Hey, this is Deuce. Thanks for tuning into the show.
If you really want to help us, make sure you
like us wherever you get your podcasts, like Apple Podcasts
or Spotify. Also make sure you follow us on the
New England Patriots YouTube channel to see this show and
everything else that we do here at the Patriots.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Thanks a lot,
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