Tune-in as Paul Perillo and Evan Lazar offer a full Day 12 Training Camp practice recap. For the second day in a row the team practiced in full pads and focused on preparing for their preseason game against the Houston Texans. We saw a ramping up of participation from OT Trent Brown and LB Matthew Judon. We discuss how WR Tyquan Thornton has impressed in the past few practices. Plus, our standout players and plays of the day, who was missing and more.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. The Patriots Training
Camp Cast is your source for all the news from
Patriots training camp.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I do still watch the news.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Practice is over. But the writers of Patriots dot com
have you covered well? I miss yesterday now here to
review today's practice. The writers of Patriots dot.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Com today, that would be Evan Wlizar and Paul Perillo. No,
Mike do so a rare absence for Mike in these
training camp casts. It's a it's family days family. His
boys are here, Tyson Campbell is here, so correct, all
of them, Tyson Campbell, Tyson Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
The Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
So. But I will say Mike took in day twelve
of training camp before he he relieved himself of his duties.
Full pads once again. We sort of talked about that
a little bit on the normal PU program, a little
bit of a shorter maybe a half hour less, a
lot of preppara work, I would say for Thursday night.
(01:02):
What really stood out to me, Evan was, you know
the first team period, it's Bailey Zappy, So my guess
is you're gonna see ZAPPI to start. Then you saw
a lot of Trace MC slowly in Malie Cunningham wouldn't
be surprised to see a good, good chunk of all
three of those Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, there was definitely a clear line of Mac and
some of the other top receivers that he's been throwing
to regularly in these practices were going through drills either
on a separate field or just behind the guys that
are going to be playing on Thursday night, and there
was definitely a feel of Bailey Zappi's gonna start on
(01:37):
Thursday night for the Patriots, and you'll see some of
the exciting younger receivers. I'm sure you know, Pop Douglas
and Kashan Boody will probably be his primary receiver. So
you're not it's not like you're gonna see You're not
gonna see anybody on Thursday Night that might make the
team or have some value on the team. But it's
gonna be this the clear cut veteran starter group. It
(01:57):
looks like they're all gonna sit out. And actually, after practice,
Dietrich Wise basically spilled the beans. Instead of yeah, he
said he's not going to play. And if he's not playing,
then that the domino effect. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, Now, one guy semi regular guy I would say,
is Taekwon Thohnton. I think you could get some of
him too.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think at least for the first couple of drives.
I don't know how long Zapi's going to play, but
I would think that as long as Zappi is out
there that we will see Taekwon with him. And I
think the interesting thing with Taekwon is he's I don't
want to be too strong, but I can't really think
of another word besides demoted honestly to a secondary group
(02:38):
of receivers and not with those frontline guys. But he
is popping in those reps that he's getting now. I
would like to see him against a Christian Gonzales for example,
or some of the leading guys on the defensive side
of the ball at the cornerback position. But I have
noticed that his speed and his ability to create separation
(02:58):
with that speed has given no pun intended the emre
speeds and Isaiah Boldens of the world some problems. So
it wouldn't surprise me if if Taekwan sees some run
on Thursday night. It wouldn't surprise me if he makes
some plays on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, well, no question he should get an opportunity. He's
gonna be playing against some guys that probably are fighting
for roster spots and whatnot. Some bookkeeping. Trey Flowers did
you know, officially sign with the team. We did not
see him out at practice. I know in the media
relations department was efforting to try to get him to
come out and speak. I hadn't seen him, Evan and
(03:34):
I did not stay till the very end of the
media availability. It was a rap. Okay, so unless it surprises, Yeah,
so we'll see. I mean, obviously he's not going to
be involved on Thursday night, but he is in the fold.
Still no time Montgomery, still no cold. Strange, you know,
Matthew Slater was back in uniform. But one interesting guy
(03:54):
I thought from a health related standpoint was Trent Brown
did take some scout team reps toward the end of
practice with Mac Jones at quarterback running this Mac Jones
seemed to have a great time running the scout team too,
maybe a little too much fun. Maybe a little too
much fun. I agree. It looked like Trent was pretty rusty.
He had some problems with I think Sam Roberts on
(04:15):
a couple of plays. He was you know, just out there.
So I would say that that's a progression from what
we've seen since pads came on, you know, So another
thing to keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, yesterday he was a part of the walkthrough at
the very beginning of practice. Today he did the walk
through again and then took some i would say three
quarter speed live reps at left tackle that you just mentioned.
So definitely a ramp up in participation for him. And
we also saw Matthew Judon take his first one on
one rep today and O line D line one on
(04:46):
ones and then also get a little bit of team
run as well. So I think both those guys are
starting to dial it up a little bit. And this
was my not the too my own horn, but this
was my prediction a little bit that once we get
to Green Bay and we get to the joint practices,
as long as Brown is healthy, I think that him
and Judhon will participate in Green Bay. I think we'll
(05:07):
see them in both joint practice sessions and that might
be it, but I think we will see them, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And one other thing I'll add before we put a
rap on this, both Marcus Jones and to Mario Douglas
spoke after practice. Interesting to hear them talk about one another.
They've gone against each other a lot, and some of
the one on ones makes a lot of sense. They're
both smaller guys that rely more on speed and quickness.
Interesting to hear how each of those guys talked about
(05:33):
the other and helping them sort of develop. And Marcus
Jones in particular, I thought was complimentary of Douglas's ability
to get in and out of breaks, stop and start. Yeah,
you know, it doesn't really slow down, which is probably
a little bit rare for a rookie.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah. Look, his route running is fantastic. It really does
stand out. The quickness. They're no wasted movement and out
of the break, which is really big for all receivers.
But I think a lot of these speed guy sometimes,
I believe it or not, the hardest part is decelerating
and stopping yourself and being able to then change directions,
and his ability to do that definitely stands out. I
(06:10):
think the one thing with him and not to you know,
rain on the parade. You know, I'm a pop Douglas guy.
I'm excited about you, induce, but just smack me around
every day. Let's just wait until we see it in
some live eleven on eleven or preseason work. Because it's
great that he's a one on one darling. It's great
that he's great in seven on seven, but that's not
(06:31):
real football. And one on one. I think this is
a little bit of a gripe that I have that
I can't just let go for some reason. But one
on ones for wide receivers and corners is not real football. No,
it's not real football. There's no help in the middle
of the field, there's no pass rush. These are just
covering guys on an island. And if somebody like the
Mario Douglas, who does have insane quickness and good speed,
(06:54):
if he's not separating in one on ones and he's
not an NFL player like period, but that doesn't make
him a superstar just because he's going out there and
beating people in one on one. So I'm really interested
to see him on Thursday night because I want to see. Okay,
we see the traits, we see the skill, and we
see the burst, but is that really going to translate
(07:15):
once we get between the lines on Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you guys can continue to listen to Mike and
Paul about Tomorrio Douglas. If you want to stay excited,
if you want to get rained on the parade. I
am excited, but.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm just being honest, like this is such a training
camp player for me right now, where it's difficult to
tell of whether or not this is just a guy
that in training camp practices where contact isn't quite as
as full tilt as a real game, is just going
to be a star because he's so fast, or if
this is truly a player that can go out there
and do it on Sundays and we'll have to wait
(07:50):
and see on that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All right, So that's going to put a rap on
not only Day twelve, but our training camp casts because
as of now there will be no more open training
camp practices. I think that could change in terms of
the media. Maybe on Sunday Monday ish and we'll I'm
not sure if we'll have training camp casts for those days.
But it's been a quick couple of weeks and I
(08:14):
think you know, they got a decent amount of work done.
You could see the progression I think that you're looking
for that we didn't see last year. Offensively, it started
in a similar spot, but I think it got better
most days, whereas last year it just stayed the same.
So I think if you're looking for reasons for optimism offensively,
that would be it. You're seeing the progression.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I definitely said the progression. I would think mainly
in the red zone. Like remember the first couple of
days in the red zone was ugly for the offense.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sorry, those hard play action with the little swing to
the back is given the defense fits. Yeah, all summer.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, now all of a sudden, they're starting to make
some more plays. MIKEASICKI had maybe the catch of training can.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm glad you brought that up. Tremendous one handed catch.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
One handed catch tax to test. I think there are
three defenders in the air and it wasn't official there
to give them the touchdown. Yeah, it was. It was
a touchdown. And he's come on a little bit last
couple of days as well. So I think that's the
biggest part that you know, people ask me what's the
biggest difference between the offense this year and the offense
last year? And I just think that this year the
details look like they're they're being ironed out. It looks
(09:16):
like the timing and the rhythm and then also obviously
the scheme is doing what it's supposed to be doing
at most of the time. Now, I think they've looked good,
you know, the skeleton, the seven on seven looks good.
Let's see what the offensive line play looks like and
how it all comes together from there. But in terms
of the timing, the ability to get open from the
receivers within the structure of the scheme, quarterbacks receivers night
(09:39):
and day compared to last year.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
All right, So that's Sevan Wizar and Paul Parolo that's
going to put a rap on Day twelve here in Foxborough.
This is the Patriots Training Camp Cast. The Patriots Training
Camp Cast is your source for all the news from
Patriots training camp.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Well, I do still watch the news.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
Practice is over. But the writers of Patriots dot com
have you covered well? I miss yesterday now here to
review today's practice. The writers of Patriots dot.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Com today, that would be Evan Wlizar and Paul Perillo. No,
Mike do so a rare absence for Mike in these
training camp casts. It's a it's family days family. His
boys are here, Tyson Campbell is here, so correct, all
of them, Tyson Campbell, Tyson Campbell.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
The Jaguars.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
So. But I will say Mike took in day twelve
of training camp before he he relieved himself of his duties.
Full pads once again. We sort of talked about that
a little bit on the normal PU program, a little
bit of a shorter maybe a half hour less, a
lot of preppara work, I would say for Thursday night.
(01:02):
What really stood out to me, Evan was, you know
the first team period, it's Bailey Zappy, So my guess
is you're gonna see ZAPPI to start. Then you saw
a lot of Trace MC slowly in Malie Cunningham wouldn't
be surprised to see a good, good chunk of all
three of those Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, there was definitely a clear line of Mac and
some of the other top receivers that he's been throwing
to regularly in these practices were going through drills either
on a separate field or just behind the guys that
are going to be playing on Thursday night, and there
was definitely a feel of Bailey Zappi's gonna start on
(01:37):
Thursday night for the Patriots, and you'll see some of
the exciting younger receivers. I'm sure you know, Pop Douglas
and Kashan Boody will probably be his primary receiver. So
you're not it's not like you're gonna see You're not
gonna see anybody on Thursday Night that might make the
team or have some value on the team. But it's
gonna be this the clear cut veteran starter group. It
(01:57):
looks like they're all gonna sit out. And actually, after practice,
Dietrich Wise basically spilled the beans. Instead of yeah, he
said he's not going to play. And if he's not playing,
then that the domino effect. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, Now, one guy semi regular guy I would say,
is Taekwon Thohnton. I think you could get some of
him too.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
I think at least for the first couple of drives.
I don't know how long Zapi's going to play, but
I would think that as long as Zappi is out
there that we will see Taekwon with him. And I
think the interesting thing with Taekwon is he's I don't
want to be too strong, but I can't really think
of another word besides demoted honestly to a secondary group
(02:38):
of receivers and not with those frontline guys. But he
is popping in those reps that he's getting now. I
would like to see him against a Christian Gonzales for example,
or some of the leading guys on the defensive side
of the ball at the cornerback position. But I have
noticed that his speed and his ability to create separation
(02:58):
with that speed has given no pun intended the emre
speeds and Isaiah Boldens of the world some problems. So
it wouldn't surprise me if if Taekwan sees some run
on Thursday night. It wouldn't surprise me if he makes
some plays on Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, well, no question he should get an opportunity. He's
gonna be playing against some guys that probably are fighting
for roster spots and whatnot. Some bookkeeping. Trey Flowers did
you know, officially sign with the team. We did not
see him out at practice. I know in the media
relations department was efforting to try to get him to
come out and speak. I hadn't seen him, Evan and
(03:34):
I did not stay till the very end of the
media availability. It was a rap. Okay, so unless it surprises, Yeah,
so we'll see. I mean, obviously he's not going to
be involved on Thursday night, but he is in the fold.
Still no time Montgomery, still no cold. Strange, you know,
Matthew Slater was back in uniform. But one interesting guy
(03:54):
I thought from a health related standpoint was Trent Brown
did take some scout team reps toward the end of
practice with Mac Jones at quarterback running this Mac Jones
seemed to have a great time running the scout team too,
maybe a little too much fun. Maybe a little too
much fun. I agree. It looked like Trent was pretty rusty.
He had some problems with I think Sam Roberts on
(04:15):
a couple of plays. He was you know, just out there.
So I would say that that's a progression from what
we've seen since pads came on, you know, So another
thing to keep in mind.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, yesterday he was a part of the walkthrough at
the very beginning of practice. Today he did the walk
through again and then took some i would say three
quarter speed live reps at left tackle that you just mentioned.
So definitely a ramp up in participation for him. And
we also saw Matthew Judon take his first one on
one rep today and O line D line one on
(04:46):
ones and then also get a little bit of team
run as well. So I think both those guys are
starting to dial it up a little bit. And this
was my not the too my own horn, but this
was my prediction a little bit that once we get
to Green Bay and we get to the joint practices,
as long as Brown is healthy, I think that him
and Judhon will participate in Green Bay. I think we'll
(05:07):
see them in both joint practice sessions and that might
be it, but I think we will see them, yes.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
And one other thing I'll add before we put a
rap on this, both Marcus Jones and to Mario Douglas
spoke after practice. Interesting to hear them talk about one another.
They've gone against each other a lot, and some of
the one on ones makes a lot of sense. They're
both smaller guys that rely more on speed and quickness.
Interesting to hear how each of those guys talked about
(05:33):
the other and helping them sort of develop. And Marcus
Jones in particular, I thought was complimentary of Douglas's ability
to get in and out of breaks, stop and start. Yeah,
you know, it doesn't really slow down, which is probably
a little bit rare for a rookie.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah. Look, his route running is fantastic. It really does
stand out. The quickness. They're no wasted movement and out
of the break, which is really big for all receivers.
But I think a lot of these speed guy sometimes,
I believe it or not, the hardest part is decelerating
and stopping yourself and being able to then change directions,
and his ability to do that definitely stands out. I
(06:10):
think the one thing with him and not to you know,
rain on the parade. You know, I'm a pop Douglas guy.
I'm excited about you, induce, but just smack me around
every day. Let's just wait until we see it in
some live eleven on eleven or preseason work. Because it's
great that he's a one on one darling. It's great
that he's great in seven on seven, but that's not
(06:31):
real football. And one on one. I think this is
a little bit of a gripe that I have that
I can't just let go for some reason. But one
on ones for wide receivers and corners is not real football. No,
it's not real football. There's no help in the middle
of the field, there's no pass rush. These are just
covering guys on an island. And if somebody like the
Mario Douglas, who does have insane quickness and good speed,
(06:54):
if he's not separating in one on ones and he's
not an NFL player like period, but that doesn't make
him a superstar just because he's going out there and
beating people in one on one. So I'm really interested
to see him on Thursday night because I want to see. Okay,
we see the traits, we see the skill, and we
see the burst, but is that really going to translate
(07:15):
once we get between the lines on Thursday night?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
So you guys can continue to listen to Mike and
Paul about Tomorrio Douglas. If you want to stay excited,
if you want to get rained on the parade. I
am excited, but.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
I'm just being honest, like this is such a training
camp player for me right now, where it's difficult to
tell of whether or not this is just a guy
that in training camp practices where contact isn't quite as
as full tilt as a real game, is just going
to be a star because he's so fast, or if
this is truly a player that can go out there
and do it on Sundays and we'll have to wait
(07:50):
and see on that.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
All right, So that's going to put a rap on
not only Day twelve, but our training camp casts because
as of now there will be no more open training
camp practices. I think that could change in terms of
the media. Maybe on Sunday Monday ish and we'll I'm
not sure if we'll have training camp casts for those days.
But it's been a quick couple of weeks and I
(08:14):
think you know, they got a decent amount of work done.
You could see the progression I think that you're looking
for that we didn't see last year. Offensively, it started
in a similar spot, but I think it got better
most days, whereas last year it just stayed the same.
So I think if you're looking for reasons for optimism offensively,
that would be it. You're seeing the progression.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Yeah, I definitely said the progression. I would think mainly
in the red zone. Like remember the first couple of
days in the red zone was ugly for the offense.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Sorry, those hard play action with the little swing to
the back is given the defense fits. Yeah, all summer.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, now all of a sudden, they're starting to make
some more plays. MIKEASICKI had maybe the catch of training can.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I'm glad you brought that up. Tremendous one handed catch.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
One handed catch tax to test. I think there are
three defenders in the air and it wasn't official there
to give them the touchdown. Yeah, it was. It was
a touchdown. And he's come on a little bit last
couple of days as well. So I think that's the
biggest part that you know, people ask me what's the
biggest difference between the offense this year and the offense
last year? And I just think that this year the
details look like they're they're being ironed out. It looks
(09:16):
like the timing and the rhythm and then also obviously
the scheme is doing what it's supposed to be doing
at most of the time. Now, I think they've looked good,
you know, the skeleton, the seven on seven looks good.
Let's see what the offensive line play looks like and
how it all comes together from there. But in terms
of the timing, the ability to get open from the
receivers within the structure of the scheme, quarterbacks receivers night
(09:39):
and day compared to last year.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
All right, So that's Sevan Wizar and Paul Parolo that's
going to put a rap on Day twelve here in Foxborough.
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