685. Dr Rogers NASA Flight Surgeon Breaks Silence on Secret UFO Footage

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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Hello, and welcome to the show on Martin Will Show host.
I'm very excited about tonight's guest, a longtime NASA surgeon
greg doctor Gregory of Rogers. He's going to be talking
about a very interesting thing that he saw that he
wasn't really supposed to see, and again I'm very excited
to have him on today. A couple of announcements. I

(00:49):
decided to change the Friday evening six pm to my
regular time slot that I was doing for the Everything
Else Show, which is Thursday at eight pm Eastern. But
don't worry, if you were listening to the show in
KGr Radio, you'll still have that six o'clock time slot
on every Friday. But this week is we're coming up

(01:12):
with Gen Alioto. He's always a great guest. He'll be
live a PM on this coming Thursday. So a couple
of other things. I recently revamped my merchandise store. So
before I just didn't know how to operate certain things there,
and now you can get all these thingks, all the
things that I have available in all different colors, and

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that out. The merchandise link is below in the text
on YouTube and in the podcast as well. So I
want to also give a shout out to UFO Jack.
Jack has been helping me on YouTube. If you are
someone that pays attention to my YouTube channel, you'll see

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that there's a lot of things going on and that's
all due to Jack, And thank you Jack for that.
And he also put a survey up on there for
people to drop in names that they'd like to see
as guests on the show. And I want to thank
everyone that's paid attention to that and had voted for
you know, different people and things like that. So another

(02:14):
question I have that I want to ask everyone out there,
if you want to email me or put a message
out there or whatever, how do you feel about the
two shows a week? Is that saturation? I'm just wondering
how you all feel about that. It's a lot, it's

(02:34):
extra work for me. I enjoy it though. I love
what I do here. But I just wanted to know
from you, the listener or the person on YouTube, is
that something that you enjoy the two shows a week
besides the audio blogs. And so if you would, you know,
reach out to me somehow here and there if you
have an opinion one way or the other. I'd like

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to hear that. The blog this week is police Officers
who kme UFO Investigators. That's by Charles Lear. And next
week we have Dan Harrari who will be on on
next Tuesday. So without further ado, I'd like to bring
in my great guests this evening. Hello, doctor Rogers, how

(03:15):
are you well. I'm doing okay, so great to have
you on. I'm excited after I watched my good friend
Chris Lito's interview with you and I.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yeah, he has a wonderful steam pilot. He and I
got along real well. In fact, I'm going to be
on his show again next week.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Oh that's great. Oh that's great. Yeah, yeah, Chris is
a jem I really always enjoy being on his show
or him being on mine. And you know, we hung
out together. We did shows together down in Washington, d C.
At the hearing down there, you know a few years ago,
the first hearing. He and I worked together on that
and we had so much fun. We were the last

(03:57):
two people in the door on that hearing. I mean
we squeaked in and people had cut in line. You know,
we almost didn't get in. But anyway, a pleasure to
have you on, and if you would for the person
that's never heard your you talk about any of this before,
just who you are in your background, if you would, Okay.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I was a senior flight for surgeon for the United
States Air Force, and then I was attached to NASA
for Space Shuttle operations. I was the chief of Aerospace
Medicine for the forty fifth Space Wing, which was comprised
of Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, Patrick Air Force Base,
the Eastern Space and Missile Center, and the Eastern Missile Range.

(04:40):
And then I was the senior flight surgeon for the
Astronaut Rescue and Recovery Team at Kennedy's Space Center. Whenever
we would have a launch in landing operation.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Wow. And so that many years you must have to
meet a lot of really very interesting people.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
Oh absolutely. You know, at Kennedy Space Center you could
meet astronauts, famous men like buzz Aldron walked on the Moon.
You know, he's a historical figure. Five hundred years from now,
they're still going to say Neil Armstrong, buzz Aldron, along

(05:21):
with Migellan and Columbus, you know, and all of these guys.
So any anytime you deal with people like that. It's great.
But then even for the Space Shuttle astronauts. You know,
while I was working, we launched the Hubble space telescope,
we repaired the hubb.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Oh yeah, I remember that mirror was off.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
We did all of these other things, And then you
could walk around the lunch room at Kennedy Space Center's
main building and walk around the lunch room and I'd
be there with my tray listening to people in this
guy's Oh no, charm quarks have to be much larger

(06:03):
than upper down quarks. Hey, I want to talk to
this guy. Do you mind if I sit down and
you sit down, and you know, you sit there and
talk to these amazing people. So I've been fortunate enough
to meet all kinds of amazing people. And if you
meet really knowledgeable people and you listen to them, they

(06:27):
will teach you things.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
Right right, I have a I have a question. Uh
just I want to welcome everyone in chat and thank
you all for being here. And there's a gentleman in
there named Roger Murray. If Roger Murray, can you confirm
what you put up there? And this has to do
with a very long time fan of the show. So
I just want to find out if that information is

(06:51):
uh can be confirmed. So Roger, please put in chat
that you can confirm what you put in put in
there about uh if you would. Uh, sorry about that.
So I just wanted to say, also, hello everyone in chat.
Thanks so much for you all being here, and I
appreciate every week your participation. And we have a person

(07:12):
in there. Mendanopolis is a screen name, and you're going
to get some really great questions when she starts going.
She really has some wonderful questions. So uh okay, yeah,
so yeah, I mean, uh, you know buzz Aldrin, you know,
you think of people like that, and you know I
heard I heard he took he sacks someone in the

(07:32):
nose one time, you know, if someone that was bothering him,
and I know you know that happens.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Uh he almost did that in my presence as well.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Well. It can be a little hot headed, but I
also understand the you know, people are saying you never
landed on the moon, and you know they're they're they're
all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
You know, that was exactly what happened. We were at
a book signing at the Books a Million in Mayrid, Island,
just outside of Kennedy's Space Center and so there can
you hear me? Are you hearing me?

Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, we had some type of glitch. We both went out,
I don't know, the internet or something. Okay, okay, go ahead.
You were at books a million, okay.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
So it was a break and so I was talking
with Buzz and this little snot nosed teenage guy came
up and said, you never went to the Moon, And
he said, get out of my face or I'll punch you.
I've done it before. Well, some people got the guy
off out of the way. Do you know the story
about how Buzz Aldrin saved their lives on the Moon? Yeah,

(08:40):
remind me of it because okay, well that was when
I first heard it, because Buzz told me that. He said,
you know, people say I didn't go to the Moon.
I nearly died on the Moon, and people don't realize that.
When Neil and Buzz had come back into the lunar module,
one of them, while they were taking off their spacesuits,

(09:04):
hit a switch and broke it. And it turned out
it was the switch to the lunar module, a sc
engine ignition switch. So this is what will ignite the
engine so they can leave the Moon and it's broken.
So they talked to the guys down to Houston. They say, hey,

(09:25):
what's the workaround for this? I mean, the thing's broken,
And he said, well, we never even imagined anything like that.
We'll have to sort of figure out what the workaround is.
So they spent several hours, couldn't do it. Well. Finally
buzz Aldrin said, hey, look, I've got my pen. I

(09:46):
broke off the outer housing and I think I can
stick my pin in there and close that circuit, and
if I do that, it'll ignite the engine and we'll
take off just as normal. Well, they're counting down ten nine,
eight seven. Buzz is standing there in the lunar module

(10:06):
with his pin waiting, and when they get to zero,
he punches it in closes the circuit. The ignition switch
ignites the engine, and off they go and they return
to Earth. If that had not worked, they were not
leaving the Moon and they would have died right there. Now,

(10:26):
I told you, Buzz was telling me this.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, I'm sorry, No, go ahead, continue, Sorry.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Buzz was telling me this. Right after this little snot
nosed kid said you never went to the Moon. He said, look,
we nearly died on the moon. Yeah, so he told
me that story and I thought it was awesome. Alde
is the greatest guy.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Yeah yeah, and you know the imagine it would be
hard not to have a huge ego. First of all,
I mean to have something like that. But also I
have to say, Alan Bean, who I talked to you
a little bit before or the show, who I got
to interview, and really I had nice conversations with him,
and he's I said, what was it like standing on

(11:10):
the moon and looking back at Earth? I mean, if
it was me, I would think, oh my god, am
I ever going to get back? Am I ever going
to get home? And he said, well, you have to
have faith that the this is what he said. You
have to have faith that, you know, the ladies that
stitched the the uh, you know, the what do they
call the suit was, you know, did their job right,

(11:32):
and this person did their job right, and and you
just have to work on the task at hand. And
that's all you do is focus on the task at hand.
And then when that when you get into the you know,
the lander, and you're you know, you focus on leaving
you know that. Uh, that's how we survived without panicking. Basically, well,
there's a famous quote. One of the astronauts was asked,

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you know, when you're sitting on the launchpad, what goes
through your mind? And I forget which astronaut it was,
but he said, well, the one thing you're trying not
to think about is that you're sitting on top of
three million parts, all submitted by the lowest bidder. Yes,
I heard that one. That goes for a lot of things,

(12:17):
but that's right.

Speaker 2 (12:18):
But so I just for the astronauts, even in the
Space Shuttle, they're sitting on top of more than four
million pounds of explosives. If something goes across, that's right, Yeah,
it could blast a medium sized city, that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
I mean you look at some of these failed launches
that just blew up, and there's so much of an
explosion there. I mean, just crazy. So I wanted to
give I don't know, this is very sad. Someone that's
been in Chat for I want to say, at least
ten years and has written me every single show that

(12:59):
I have a show says can't wait to be there
and blah blah blah. And I haven't heard from Renee
Cruz in a number of weeks. And I just thought,
you know, maybe a break or something. I didn't know,
but it's just confirmed that Renee passed away I May

(13:19):
twenty fifth, So I just wanted to say, you know,
I'm really sorry for all of those of you and
chat who knew Renee that was always participating in conversations
and that's very sad. So I just wanted to I
wanted to acknowledge that anyway. So let's let's get on
if we can, we'll talk about your situation because this

(13:43):
came out of the blue. But before we get there,
can you just tell me did you ever pay any
attention to the UFO phenomenon, phenomenon and any type of
way prior to what happened in that building.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
Well, in either nineteen six nine or nineteen seventy, I
wrote read the book Chariots of the Gods by Eric
von Donican, and that had me hooked. So I had
paid attention to the ancient astronaut theories ever since that time.

(14:21):
But I had not expected to be involved in anything
at any point. Yeah, so yeah, I didn't expect to
be in the space program. And then there I am
Chief of Aerospace Medicine. I supported thirty one Space Shuttle launches,
and wow, you know, I was right there at the

(14:49):
Shuttle landing facility three miles away for each and every launch,
just sitting and waiting and praying that I would not
have to do my pri job. In My primary job
was to rescue the astronauts and provide any life saving
medical care they would need en route to getting them

(15:10):
to a hospital where definitive care could be provided. So,
you know, you always want to do your job, but
you don't want to do that job. I also did
a lot of search and rescue missions with the forty
first Air Rescue Squadron, which was also the flight personnel
who supported the Space Shuttle launches. So we did a

(15:31):
lot of search and rescue missions. In fact, we got
air medals and Humanitarian service medals in South Florida after
Hurricane Andrew went through and just absolutely tore up South Florida.
I being from Oklahoma, I'd seen tornadoes. Well this looked

(15:52):
like a tornado, but it was sixty mile wide tornado.
The devastation was unlike anything I'd ever seen.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
Yeah, I remember driving that. I think I don't know,
maybe four months after, and I just couldn't believe, you know,
from I maybe started in like North Carolina, all the
way down seeing all these trees knocked down all over
the place. That was really that was quite a hurricane,
really did a lot of devastation. Yeah, so let's talk

(16:24):
about the day that all this happened.

Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, Well, we're going to travel back to nineteen ninety two.
It was in the spring, I believe, and as the
Chief of Aerospace Medicine, I had to oversee all of
the operations that were being performed at Cape Pineveral Air
Force Station. But the Air Force could not deal with

(16:53):
everything themselves, so they hired a civilian contractor called EG
and G. That name is famous to a lot of people,
but a huge government contractor, and so they provided the
medical care and also support to the buildings for all
the other contractors like Boeing, Northrop, Grumm, and Morton Thiacol.

(17:18):
All of those places were there, but they received support
through EG and G. So one of my jobs was
to make sure that EG and G was doing what
the Air Force had paid them to do. So I
would go on inspection tours. Well, I had been this
one day to two previous locations, and so I was

(17:38):
going to the third location and the third location, I
required an escort because of the security, and so we
went in, we examined everything. It was a clean room,
so I had to put on a little head covering.
I had to put on gloves, lab coat, and little

(18:01):
non electrostatic booties. So I went in saw what I
needed to see. And when we came out, the E
G and G escort was finished with me. So he said, okay, Doc,
see you later, and off he goes. And so he
has all of his garb off real quick. Well, I
took my hat off, I took my gloves off, I
hung up the lab coat, took off my booties, threw

(18:25):
him down. So I'm like a minute or two behind
this guy. Well, as I'm walking out through these double doors,
there's this major standing there. He's in his blue uniform.
I'm in my flight suit. And he says, hey, Doc,
I've got something to show you. And I said, okay,
what and he said, no, I've got something that even

(18:45):
you have never seen. And that's what he did, just
like that. And I said, okay, well what have I
not seen? And he said, well, come here. So he
took me inside the office there and he shut the
door and locked it. There were lovers on the door,
you know, minie blinds. He closed those and then he

(19:07):
closed them for the windows that were there. So he
goes over and sits down at this computer site and
he turns on the computer, turns on the screen, and so,
you know, I'm just sort of wondering, you know, what's
going on with this. I have no idea whatsoever what

(19:28):
is going on. Well, he finally gets the screen up
and he says, here you go. So he moved over
to the chair just to the left, and I sat
down in his chair. So I'm looking at the computer
screen just like I am now, except what I'm looking
at is a closed circuit television feed. And it looked

(19:51):
just like a typical military hangar. There were two guys
over to the left that looked like engineer types. They
had on lab coats. There were three guys over to
the right that had on like tievek suits. But right
there in the middle of the hangar was a saucer.

(20:15):
Now it wasn't a flying saucer at that time because
it was sitting on the ground, but as who's it
began to fly, it was a flying saucer. And I'm
looking at this thing, And I said, what on earth
is that? Who would make something like that? And he said, oh,
I can't tell you that. And I said, why would
we make something like that? And he said, we got

(20:35):
it from them, and he did just like this.

Speaker 1 (20:39):
Well, I got to tell you that's the most that's
the most profound statement right there to me.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, in fact, because everybody at Contacting the Desert was
talking to me and they said, you've got to write
a book. Put all this stuff down. I'm writing a book.
It'll come out in September and it's going to be
called we got it from them, Because we got it
from them.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
I'm so sorry I didn't see you there. I wish
I wish I knew you were there. I would have
loved to have met you. So.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh, well, there were at least ten people there. I
got to speak to quite a few, but man, there's
no way you could speak to everybody because there were
just so many people there. Well, I'm looking at this
screen and this saucer is just sitting there, and so
this sound goes off and so all of the people scattered.

(21:31):
Just like a minute after that, these electrostatic discharges started
happening all around the vehicle. Now this thing looked like
sort of a huge modified egg.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Do you want me to put up the what your scar?

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Sure, put that out. You can see that at the
twelve thirty You know, the twelve o'clock position is where
the US Air Force thing is. I'll explain that in
a minute. Then the beam there were horizontal rectangles from
the twelve thirty to two thirty position, three thirty to

(22:09):
five thirty position, and then I ended up seeing later
from the six thirty to eight thirty position and from
the nine thirty to eleven thirty position. At the three o'clock,
six o'clock and nine o'clock positions, there were vertical rectangles
and they were black rectangles. Now, the vehicle itself was

(22:32):
pearly white and just sort of gleamed. There were no rivets,
no bolts, no panels. There were there what looks like
the antenna sticking up at the top was actually just
a poll that connected three umbilical hoses to the vehicle itself,

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and it had that little flat dome on top well
as these electro and then discharges start going off all
around the vehicle. All of a sudden, it just lifts
off the ground as light as a feather. If I
wasn't watching it at the time, you would not actually notice.
The flight mechanism was so smooth. So it just hovers

(23:21):
there for a few seconds, and then all of a
sudden it rotates clockwise three hundred and sixty degrees. Now,
then at the twelve o'clock position there as it rotated
past me, I saw that it said US Air Force
and above that was the US flight insignia. So I mean,

(23:42):
I'm shocked to see a flying saucer, But now here's
a flying saucer that says US Air Force on it.
So now I'm even more shocked than before. But it
rotated just absolutely as smooth as anything, clockwise three hundred
and sixty degrees. Then it rotated counterclockwise three hundred and

(24:04):
sixty degrees. Then it moved to the left and right.
Then it moved forward and backward, you know, just like
you know you're testing a new radio controlled car and
wanting to make sure that everything's moving. So it was
doing all of this. Then it did something really amazing.

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From my standpoint, at what is the twelve o'clock position
where it says US Air Force, the forward section of it,
if it was flying, it rose to a forty five
degree angle. Now, this is not possible. I flew F

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sixteen's T thirty eight's H one, Cobra's h uh one,
Huey's oh fifty eight scouts there there is no craft
that can do that. Now, First of all, if it's
a fixed wing, you've got an engine pushing from the
back to the forward position. So you're going to get

(25:12):
lyft because of the thrust that you create. If it's
a helicopter, you're going to have thrust straight down from
the rotor disc. Now, then you can move a rotor
disc to forty five degrees, but if you do, that's
going to change the thrust vector downward and back. So

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all of a sudden, as soon as you leave a
zero angle and you go to forty five degrees, that
helicopter is going to fly forward. It's got to ye,
there's no choice. Well, this thing went to actually a
forty five degrees knows how. This was the twelve o'clock position,
and it just stayed right there, stable as could be.

(25:57):
When I saw that, I said, oh my goodness, and
he said, yeah, I knew, that's knock your socks off.
So just about that time knock, there's a knock on
the door. So he panics. He flips the computer off,
flips the computer screen off, and says, don't tell anybody
I showed you this. He just showed me a flying saucer.

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Who am I going to tell it to it's nineteen
ninety two. Well, anyway, he goes over the door, opens
it up, and it's lieutenant colonel and I believe a
couple of captains came in, and so the lieutenant colonel
said why was the door locked and what are you
guys doing in here? And so he said, well, I
had a skin thing and I was afraid his cancer

(26:39):
saw I wanted to show it to the dock, so
I just closed the door for my privacy. So now
all of these guys are looking at me, and I'm
sitting there thinking I just saw a stinking flying saucer
with US Air Force on it, and the guy that
showed it to me really should not have shown it

(26:59):
to me. Now, I want to emphasize something. There was
no listing of any classification on it. It did not
say confidential, secret, top secret, anything. There was no identification
of any security markings. It did not have a location stamp,
a time stamp, a date stamp. It had nothing on.

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The screen was completely clean for a closed circuit television screen.
Now all these guys are looking at me, and I think, man,
you know, if I report this guy, I'm going to
probably have to report all four of these guys because
they're in this office. If this guy saw the flying
saucer and it was shown to him, unless it was

(27:44):
part of his official duties, he committed a security violation
as well, and so might all three of these other guys.
If I report them, I have to go to their
chain of command and say, look, these guys showed me
a flying saucer. I don't think they were supposed to.
That's a problem. I'd have to go to security and

(28:05):
report a security violation, and then I would have to
go back to my kernel and tell him, sir. I
hate to tell you this, but while I was at
the cape I saw a flying saucer. I had to
report everybody. So there's a big security stink going on,
and I'm sure you're going to be talking to the
general in about fifteen minutes. Well, I decided I'm not

(28:29):
going to do that, you know, So I did the
same thing that many airline pilots, air force pilots, naval
aviators have done in the past, and I just pretended
I didn't see anything. So I just said I looked
at skin lesion, it wasn't cancer. I got to get going.
I got to get back to my clinic, so I left.

(28:51):
I never went back to that building. So I got
in my car and I had to drive about thirty
minutes down to Patrick Air Force Base to my and
I'm sitting there this whole time thinking about this, and
so I'm really angry that this guy showed this to me.
You know, he should not have done this. But you know,

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so many times we as human beings, if we see
something really strange, the first thing we want to do
is share it with somebody. Well, this guy shared it
with me, and I didn't appreciate it. In a similar
kind of thing, I have a whole story about going
on the USS Montpellier nuclear submarine, and when I was

(29:33):
on there, I was in my NASA flight suit, and
so as they were showing me around, they said, well,
you're not really supposed to go into the sonar room
and see any of this, but if you work with
the Space Shuttle, it's okay, so they took me into
the sonar room. Well, they weren't supposed to do that,
but you know, that's the kind of stuff that people do.
So this guy wanted to share this with me, Well,

(29:58):
I didn't share it with anyone. I did when I
got back to my clinic. I didn't indicate to anybody
anything had happened. I didn't even tell my wife for
fifteen years about what I had seen. And so finally,
in like the twenty seventeen timeframe when Commander Fraber came

(30:20):
forward and the tic TAC videos and the gimbal videos
and the go Fast videos came out, and all of
that was going on. In November of twenty twenty three,
I decided I'm going to try something. In April of
each year, there's a Navy symposium called the Professional Development Symposium,

(30:44):
where speakers talk about all kinds of safety, health, industrial
hygiene issues and all this sort of stuff. So I
contacted the commander of the PDS and I said, look,
now that the Navy has admitted that these videos are real,

(31:05):
they've confirmed it before Congress and so it's all been declassified,
can I go ahead and speak about UAPs in my
lecture next April, and so he said, well, you know,
we'll have to think about that. So we had emails
going back and forth for a little bit, and he said,
as long as it's done in a professional manner, all

(31:25):
tentatively approve it, but we're going to have to see
what you're going to be saying first. So I made
my slidest for the presentation, sent it to them. They
reviewed and said, yes, you can give this presentation. Just
to be sure. I was working at the McAllister Army
Ammunition Plant at the time, and I sent a copy

(31:47):
of it to the public affairs officer at McAllister Army
Ammunition Plant and he gave me written permission to go
ahead and give this presentation. So then I sent the
presentation to the largest army facility in the state of Oklahoma,
over at Fort Sill, and so I sent it to

(32:08):
the public affairs officer there. The public affairs officer reviewed
it and said, yes, you're cleared to give this. So
on April twenty fourth of twenty twenty four, I gave
an hour lecture that was just a second.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
All right, Well, he'll be right back. I'm sure. I'm
not sure what is going on. So I just want
to say thank you all and chat for all your questions.
I will get to the lack.

Speaker 2 (32:40):
Can you see that?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
Oh here we are here, we are hang on all right,
hang on just one second, let me blow that up
there you go.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
Okay, okay, So human factors and identification of aircraft, military
drones and other aerial phenomenon. So this is what I
actually gave my lecture front. Oh wow, Well it went
really well. For the last fifteen minutes. All I basically
did was talk about UAPs and that the real that

(33:08):
we need to talk to people who witnessed these the
same as we would as if they'd just seen an
aircraft mishap. And so I gave guidelines for how to
interview personnel witnessing these events. Well, the people who watched
it were really great and they said this was a

(33:32):
fantastic lecture. We really liked it. Just about a week
and a half, two weeks later, I got a letter
from the commander, the one who approved me to speak
to the Navy Professional Development Symposium, and he said, thank
thank you for doing this. It was a very interesting lecture.
So I officially gave a lecture about UAPs to the

(33:56):
Department of Defense through the Navy's professional development symposiums. Well,
the thing is, I knew that I had seen a
fine saucer back in nineteen ninety two. These people did not.
So when I retired on April thirtieth of this year,
I contacted a couple of people, Josh Boswell from the

(34:24):
UK Daily Mail and then Tyler Roberts from Total Disclosure,
and so I gave an initial interview with each of
them about this story. Well, man, it just blew up.
Next thing I knew it was in Newsweek, it was
on right, you've read that. Yeah, it went all over

(34:44):
the world. And since then I've been talking on all
kinds of podcasts, and in fact, this week I had
this one's scheduled for today, and I was joking yesterday
about the fact that I didn't have any any interviews
scheduled for Thursday. Well it turned out I ended up

(35:05):
speaking to Linda Moulton Howe, and so on Thursday she
said when can you speak with me? And I said, well,
I could do it on Thursday. I don't have anyone
scheduled for Thursday. So on Thursday I'm going to talk
to her. But last Friday I was with the American Alchemy.

(35:27):
He gave me a shirt that's pretty cool. So I
want to show this.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Oh yeah, hey, I like that retro.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
And of course I'm on the board of Directors for
the International UFO Bureau. Mindy Topfest is the CEO and
they just started a brand new podcast with Mindy Terry
and Melissa Madrigal. And now what.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
About Jerrymy Ray. I want to give a shout out
to him as.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Okay, yeah, yeah, he's Bureau two. Yes, there's a lot
of top people that are in the bureau. You know,
a lot of people don't realize it, but the International
UFO Bureau is centered in Oklahoma City. It was started
by mister Hughes all the way back in nineteen fifty seven,

(36:17):
and at the time he was a radio guru. You know,
one hundred thousand people would listen to his radio reports.
He had books and magazines and he went all over
the world talking about UFOs. And it turned out in

(36:40):
the early seventies, when Jimmy Carter decided he was going
to report the UFO incident that he had witnessed, that
of all the places that he could have chosen, he
went to the International UFO Bureau and made out his report,
and so his report is still in the records of

(37:01):
the Bureau, and also a copy of his report is
in the Presidential Library for President Carter.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Wow, I've got a bunch of questions, and there's also
people putting a bunch of really good questions in chat
as well. So I want to Okay, we're gonna we're
going to have a little longer show than normal here,
if that's okay. So one of the things I want
to I want to ask you after you were shown
this video, did you ever speak to that major again

(37:30):
about any of note. No, I didn't, okay, And why
why didn't you? I mean, did you just want to
keep quiet about it? You didn't want to stir the pot.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
I didn't even tell my wife for fifteen years. I'm
not going to go back and talk to this guy.
If I go back there, only bad things can happen.
You know, if this is somehow a security violation, this
could affect my ability to maintain my job position. Yeah,
I'm not going to touch that thing with the tenth

(38:00):
foot poll.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Okay. And another thing, did you, I know you stay
quiet for over thirty years you already told us what
compelled you to talk about it. But before you talked
about it, did you feel like feel moral or ethical
did you feel let me rephrase it, did you feel
moral or ethical pressure to speak up earlier?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Yes, and no, I felt like I should speak out.
I actually, for a short time spoke with Chris Mellan
about doing this, but decided, you know, I'm not going
to do it until I retired. So I retired on
the thirtieth of April of this year, and on the
fourth and fifth of May my story came out.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
Wow. Wow, Chris is great. I was the first to
interview him back in twenty fifteen, and I was in
touch with him for quite a while, and yeah, he
was He was the right person to contact I believe
for that. Getting back to the craft, can you elaborate
more on you know, you said it had movement, I

(39:14):
know how you said it should have moved forward and
things like that. Do you feel as though that was
like an anti gravity type of situation and do you
think it was it must have been controlled from those
umbilical umbilicals. I suppose speculation of course. Oops, you're frozen.
Looks like can you hear me? Okay? Looks like his

(39:39):
screen is frozen and he is gone, so he'll be
right back. It's probably the men in Black again. I'm
not sure what happened, but he should be coming right
back in. So I want to thank you all for
your questions out there, and I'm just waiting for him
to come in back in. I'm sure he'll be right
here bolling up your questions again. I want to thank

(40:02):
everyone here and this question here. Oh here, he is,
He's back. It's the men in Black, right, is that
what it is.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
I'm not going to comment on that. I told you
about my story of the Space Shuttle novel Impact. Yes,
I wrote that in ninety three because I was very
disturbed that we were not sending repair kits up with
our shuttle crews. And every time the Space Shuttle would

(40:35):
go up, there would be damage to it the thermal
protection system that would be somewhat putting the crew at
risk when they tried to re enter their atmosphere, and
some of the times the damage was pretty severe. And
yet NASA was intentionally not launching repair kits because of

(40:55):
the politics and financial things. Well, when you know, I
had book signings with Buzz Aldrin and all kinds of
things and eight years after my book was published, and
I said, you know, if we don't have a repair kit,
we're going to lose a crew. They launched Columbia. There
was damage to the leading edge of the reinforced carbon

(41:18):
carbon on the left wing. When they tried to re
enter their atmosphere, it burned through the left wing and
we lost the orbiter and crew. So, unfortunately, my book
prophesied that they're going to do this eventually if they
don't send up a repair kit.

Speaker 1 (41:37):
Well, so sad well about.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
Contact in the Desert. Ten days after I returned from
Contact in the Desert, I got notedfied the company that
had been selling my book, and they said, we are
no longer interested in You're not novel. We will not

(42:02):
print it, we will not distribute it, and all rights
are return to you. Have a good day. So ten
days after I got back, my book was dead.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
And what's the reasoning?

Speaker 2 (42:18):
They said they had no interest in it?

Speaker 1 (42:21):
What do you really think is the deal?

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I'm not going to comment, but a good thing though.
Mindy Topfest is familiar with Margie Kay and she is
with the INEX system. She's going to republish Impact and

(42:52):
also is going to publish the new book that I wrote.
Just since I got back from Contact, everyone kept saying,
You've got to write a book and tell everybody this story.
So when I got back, I wrote a book, and
so it's going to be published on the twenty second
of September, I believe. And for the name, I said,
you know, I'm not going to get real fancy on this,

(43:13):
so I called it we got it from them.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I think that's that is perfect name of the book.

Speaker 1 (43:19):
Yeah. And so do you I mean, just along those lines,
do you feel that this was a non human intelligence
that made the say the prototype, and we reverse engineered something.
What do you what do you speculate?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I absolutely believe this was the reverse engineer of a
non human craft. First of all, you're not going to
build a craft like this for any of our aerodynamics.
You know, when when we fly, if if we've got
a helicopter, we fly because of the lift created by

(43:57):
the rotor disc. If we fly a fit wing, you've
got engines that are causing thrust that causes air to
flow over the wings, that produces lyft. This is how
we fly. The exception to that would be like the
space Shuttle or the Apollo spacecraft. You put a great

(44:17):
big rocket on a launchpad, you ignite it, and it
flies into space. These are the mechanisms we used to fly.
The craft that I saw was not based on any
of that. It had no flight control surfaces, It had

(44:39):
no It was totally smooth. It was just just like
a pearly egg. There were no seams, rivets, There was
no vertical or horizontal controller, there were no ailerons, there
was no p DO tube. There was nothing associated with

(45:02):
a flying vehicle that I had ever been associated with.
So this was completely different. But now it had the
umbilicals at the top. Now, what that suggests to me
is that this was probably a contractor, a government contractor,
who was attempting to reproduce the vehicle they had found

(45:26):
and still hadn't quite gotten all of the kinks out yet.
So those umbilicals, I would believe, probably fed electrical power
into the vehicle, may have had some sort of fuel
that was flowing in there. It might have been a

(45:46):
control information for how to make it fly. But a real,
honest goodness flying saucer that came from another dimension or
another world does not have a billicals tied to it,
So I think this had to be a contractor who
was doing their best to reproduce this. Here's something that

(46:09):
I use as an example. If we wanted to give
the United States a huge advantage, we could take the
F twenty two stealth fighter that we have now. It
is the most advanced aircraft ever created for air combat.
We could take this to the United States engineers in

(46:32):
nineteen fourteen and hand it to them and say, Okay,
here's what an F twenty two jet looks like. You
create this and you're going to blow everything out of
the sky in World War One, and they're going to
look at and say, well, first of all, where's the propeller.
Oh well, it doesn't have a propeller. It's a jet.

(46:53):
Well why does the thing feel so funny when you
when you touch it? Oh well that's radar absorbent material. Well,
we don't see any wood. All of our aircraft are
made of wood. I don't see any wood on this thing.

(47:14):
We show them inside and tell them, well, these are
the defensive computer capabilities. We could show them every single
thing about that F twenty two, but there is absolutely
no way that they could reproduce the F twenty two
in nineteen fourteen, so it would take them years to

(47:37):
even understand the theory of what they were seeing. Now,
this is only one hundred years of human technology. One
hundred years ago, they would have looked at the F
twenty two as though it was it was something from Jupiter.
But that's human technology. But they could not reproduce that

(47:58):
in nineteen fourteen and have the material science. They didn't
have the knowledge of aerodynamics. They didn't even know what
a computer was. There's a jet engine was beyond anything
they could conceive. Like I said, their aircraft were still
built out of wood, and here's this F twenty two
made out of advanced alloys of metals that they never

(48:22):
even heard of.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Right, I got to appraise a little piece of the flyer,
Wilburn Oval writes, very first, you know craft that went off,
the little piece of it that was in glass in
a house in Massachusetts. So anyway, and it's you're really
talking about something here that makes sense because we didn't

(48:44):
have a car before the wheel was invented, you know,
I mean, it takes a long time. There's all these
things that have to be in place. There's not leaps.
We don't have leaps in technology, you know that are
like what we see with what you're talking about. I
want to ask you, when you were watching this video,
did you hear any audio at all?

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (49:07):
I did. Did you did the craft make any noise?

Speaker 2 (49:10):
The craft made noise, however, because if I tried to
describe what I heard and saw, you know, even though
this was technically not a classified aircraft, it's still a
stinking flying saucer, it's got to be classified. So I

(49:32):
don't want to say anything that would give away any
of the technical secrets about what it was doing, how
it was operating, or anything, even though it would be
pure speculation on my part. If that was a testbed vehicle,
we have probably subsequently produced an even better, more advanced

(49:53):
form of that same craft. So I don't want to
give away any information for a more advanced craft that
may have been created in the future compared to nineteen
ninety two.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Right, And I'm sure that craft still exists somewhere, and
others like you say that footage still exists somewhere, and
there's probably a lot more footage than that, and possibly,
this is my speculation, possibly other craft as well that
they may have found you know, and reverse engineered or

(50:30):
attempted to. You know, it's very you know, you wouldn't
hear me say this five years ago, but you know,
with the way things have evolved, I think it's possible
that you know, before or five years ago, I was
questioning almost anything when it came to recovered you know craft.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Well, you've got to think about it from the standpoint
of what the air Force would do and how it
would operate. First of all, somebody's got to come up
with some dollars for research and development. Somebody's got to
come up with the design, someone has to come up
with material. Someone's got to decide, well, we're going to
develop this at this location and we're going to need

(51:15):
this kind of security. There are a tremendous number of
things that would have to occur before you would even
begin the application of creating the kind of saucer that
I saw. So this is not something that happened overnight.
This was probably the end product of years of development,

(51:39):
maybe even decades of development to that point. And how
far we have progressed since nineteen ninety two, I can't know,
but I will sort of say a couple of things
to a certain extent. The shape of the craft was

(52:02):
sort of like the sports model that Bob Blazar talked about,
and the shape of it is sort of like the
tic Tac that Commander Fraber and the naval aviator saw. However,

(52:23):
I have to say that what I saw was inside
a hangar. I could not see it fly one thousand
miles an hour because it couldn't get through the walls.
So when I saw it moving, it was just the
most rudimentary of steps for flight that you could have,
and it was inside a hangar. So what its capabilities

(52:46):
were beyond that?

Speaker 1 (52:48):
You know, I have no clue, right, you know, I
mean wonder if they you know, I can only speculate,
but I wonder if they brought this baby outside in
bilical Cord, you know, Lengthy and Bill local court, and
did more than they did inside the hangar. Well.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
I think one of the things that really caused me
to want to speak out was that when I heard
the testimony of David Gresh, I find that his testimony
is very compelling. He is speaking about things for which
he is cognizant, he is aware, and all of these things.

(53:28):
Now he had to go before Congress and say there
are people who could come before Congress and say, yes,
we have reproduction vehicles because I've seen it. But he said,
I cannot give you that information because none of the
people who have told me their story wanted to come

(53:51):
and speak at this hearing. And so particularly I think
in last November, they were again giving David Gresh a
hard time, and I thought, well, you know, I can't
do a whole lot of things. I was not privileged
to know the information that he did, nor would I
really be interested in But I wasn't with the NRO

(54:14):
or any of those things. But when he said there
are people who have seen reproduction vehicles, I was sitting
there thinking, well, I know that's true because I'm one
of them. Right. So you know, to a certain extent,
I have told people I've got David Gresh's sixth. You know,

(54:35):
in the military, you can't guard behind you, so you'd
need a battlebuddy to guard your six Well, to a
certain extent, I'm guarding David Gresh's six I can't speak
to all of the stuff that he knows, but I
can say I saw a reproductive vehicle from advanced technology

(54:58):
that was superior to anything we had, So I cannot
testify where the original aircraft or spacecraft came from, if
there were aliens flying it, if it was interdimensional. I
can't speak to any of that. But I can say
I saw a reproduction vehicle of a flying saucer. So

(55:22):
well that's the part that I can say. So that's
what I'm doing.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
Well, I just want to say goodbye to everyone over
at kg R Radio kg R A Radio, and we'll
be back next week with Dan Harrari and this Friday
at kg R Radio you'll hear d n Alioto. He's
going to be on Thursday night and play on Friday.
So thank you for that. Now, a question for you.
Have you ever spoken to David I have not. I can.

(55:52):
I can connect you with him through somebody if you're like,
we'll talk about that offline. But yeah, so you know
it was I feel the way you do about David Rush.
I think he's solid. You know. I know that article
came out, you know, to bash him, to undermine him.

Speaker 2 (56:11):
Well, you know, I want to say something real quick.
In my book, I intentionally did this. I said I
have PTSD. Now, then the people in the military go
through all kinds of things. So if someone's going to
look into my background and say, hey, he had psychiatric

(56:33):
mental health problems. Okay, I did, but that does not
mean that I did not see what I saw or
do what I did.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Of course. And look at the position you held. I mean,
they're not going to put someone with you know, major
issues as a flight surgeon for you know, the space shuttle,
it's just not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
Well, if you go into combat, if you see people
die right in front of you, I unfortunately had a
friend of mine that I was trying to resuscitate who
died right under my hands. When you have seen things
like that, if you're normal, that's going to make you abnormal.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Yes.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
If that doesn't make you abnormal, there's something wrong with you.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Right, Yeah, that's right. Uh. And yeah, I'm sorry you
had to go through that. That's terrible, terrible. Yeah, I've
got lots of stories. I bet, I bet. What about
being a whistleblower yourself or I don't know if you
call it a whistleblower, but you do have the protection
you know through would you testify for instance, if you

(57:48):
were asked to congress.

Speaker 2 (57:50):
Well, if if somebody asked me, I would I would
do that. But yeah, I'm not going to drive up
there and say, Hi, it's Greg Rogers I want to
talk about Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Yeah, Well, I'm sure you know, with these appearances that
you're making and things like that, the word's going to
get out enough. Have you spoken to other people like
Lou al Zondo You said you did Chris Mellan, and
you know Chris may be able to help you if
you wanted to do that, you know, move ahead in
that direction.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah. I have not directly spoken with Lou Alexandro, but
I'm respecting highly.

Speaker 1 (58:32):
Uh huh. Okay, all right, I'm going to put up
some questions because we had a lot of people ask
questions right from the very beginning. But I was just
trying to think there was one more thing I wanted
to ask you about the I do believe it was
about the craft. Let me just see. No, there was

(58:53):
some notes I had made ahead of time. You had
actually spoken to other astronauts about UFO encounters. Is that correct?
Did I hear that right somewhere?

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Officially? No?

Speaker 1 (59:08):
Unofficially yes, Okay, So what can you say about that?

Speaker 2 (59:13):
You can choose which answer you like.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
I'll take the one that you'll answer, Okay.

Speaker 2 (59:21):
The thing is, there are lots of people that have
lots of stories. But just like you know in nineteen
ninety two, if someone saw me later that day and said, hey,
doctor Rogers, by any chance, did you see a flying
saucer day? I was going to say no. I wasn't
going to tell anybody I saw a flying saucer. And
there's lots of people in the same sort of situation.

(59:43):
So I don't think you should really be critical of
people when it's like, you know, hey, I'm putting my
credibility on the line, and if I say yes, yeah,
I'm going to have to deal with all of that.
So you know, I've already seen stuff like that about
me and there's not a thing I can do about.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
It, right, Yeah, I would just let that go with
a grain of salt. So why do you think this
major had access to that? And why would you speculate
that he'd show it to you in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I doubt that he had official access to it. Somebody
showed him, and so because somebody showed him, he wanted
to show someone else, and I happened to be the
person walking along there. There are times when you have
classified information and you know, if it's launch codes for

(01:00:40):
nuclear weapon. No one's going to risk divulging that. But
if you know, you're out at sea and you see
an underwater craft that goes by at three hundred not

(01:01:00):
and there's not a thing that we make that can
do that, you know, they will tell people. You can't
tell anyone about it, but then when they get home,
they say, wow, you should have seen what I saw.
And so they may tell their family, they may tell
their friends, even though they're not supposed to. But most humans,
if they have something really extraordinary, they're going to want

(01:01:23):
to share it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
That's right. And Mark de' antonio, have you ever heard
that name?

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
Oh? Absolutely, he's a great guy. Oh yeah, good friends
with him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Oh yeah, he's I'm good friends of them too. So anyway,
that's funny.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Yeah, he's wonderful. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
So you know all about his USO encounter of the
several hundred knots, the thing that he when he was
a contractor, and.

Speaker 2 (01:01:47):
I have heard about that. I did not speak to
him about it, but I've heard about it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:52):
Yeah, it's kind of what you just mentioned. You know,
they he saw this. He wasn't really supposed to be
where he was, but he was a contractor and was
on a voyage and a submarine and you know, but yeah,
you do want to talk to him about that. Sometimes
it's really quite a story, and especially the after results
of that. When he talked to someone in Washington, d C.

(01:02:13):
About that, they didn't deny it. The fast mover or
whatever they call that fast walker, I can't remember what
they call that. They didn't deny it, they said, I
just can't talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Well. When you talk about trans medium, space is a medium,
air is a medium, water is a medium, Land is
a medium. But those are all media that we are
learning to control with our human capabilities. So if we
can do it with the limited science that we understand

(01:02:47):
and advanced civilization, you know, thousands of years ahead of us,
or I could could do a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:02:55):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
If I took a cell phone back to ancient Egypt
and I took pictures of people and showed it to
him and another friend was half a mile away, and
we spoke over there, they would either treat me as
a god or burn me as a demon. That's just
because I had a cell phone.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Yeah, I mean, you think of our leaps in just
as you know, one hundred years has just been Well,
we talked about you know, the flyer Wilbur and Orville Orville, right,
you know, just since then. That's not that long ago
in the scope of time where we didn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Think of the way we could fly, you know, they
did then nineteen oh three, sixty six years later we
landed men on the moon.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
That's right. I saw that in a meme.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Now, then you'd look back three thousand years ago, what's
the fastest thing you got? Well, if you can ride
a horse, yeah, a thousand years ago, well, if you
could ride a horse, yeah, you know, horsepower was as
fast as it was until the Industrial Revolution and developed
steam engines. All of that has happened basically within the

(01:04:07):
last two to three hundred years that we started actually
understanding electricity. Maxwell's equations could not have been written in
fifteen hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:04:20):
I'm going to pull up some questions from our great
people in chat here Mendonopolis. Did you ever have the
pleasure of meeting Timothy Taylor or do you know of him?
I do not, Okay, I'm not sure myself who that is.
And same person asked us, did you ever visit the
NASA White Sands Test Facility in New Mexico.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Not really. I did go to hallam And Air Force
Base with part of my duties, but I did not
go out to White Sands particularly Now then, one thing
that's interesting about White Sands was that while I was

(01:05:07):
working with the Space Shuttle, the primary landing site would
either be Edwards or the Shuttle landing facility at Kennedy
Space Center, but the tertiary site was always White Sands
Space Harbor. Now then, I believe it's nineteen eighty two,
the Kennedy Space Center was not available, they hadn't built,

(01:05:28):
the shuttle landing facility at Edwards was having bad weather,
and there was a spacecraft that I believe is Columbia
that landed at the White Sands Space Harbor back in
like nineteen eighty two.

Speaker 1 (01:05:44):
How about that. I know I lived, excuse me, right
near PE's Air Force Base with a ten thousand foot runway,
and I know that was an optional place if ever
need be, because that's one of the I mean, that's
an amazing runway there that's not even barely used today.
So here's another one from Fred. In light of what

(01:06:08):
doctor Rogers just talked about, what does he think about
elon space X rockets. What's the point in them if
we are so far ahead of that. I understand the question.
It's like, if we actually have this technology, do you
think let me just rephrase his question. You get the
gist of it. But it makes you wonder. If we

(01:06:28):
had this technology in nineteen ninety two, it seems like
we could be using it for possibly space travel or
something like that. I mean, do you think that'll ever happen.

Speaker 2 (01:06:39):
I think it could happen. But just because you have
knowledge of how something works doesn't mean that you can
reproduce it. And so, like I was saying about the
F twenty two back in nineteen fourteen, if SpaceX, Elon
MASK or NASA had developed enough technology that we could

(01:07:04):
launch from Earth without having to build these huge, massive rockets,
I think we would be doing so. You know, for
the Space Shuttle, it weighed four point seven million pounds
at the time of launch, but when the orbiter came

(01:07:24):
back it was barely four hundred thousand pounds remaining, But
it took more than four million pounds of explosive to
get it into space. That's right now, it could glide
back if somebody could substitute some other form of energy

(01:07:50):
to produce liftoff for satellites to go into space without
having to use rocket chemical energy. I think someone would
be doing it. Even though we have learned a lot,
we don't know enough, right.

Speaker 1 (01:08:07):
Yeah, I know the massive amount of energy to get
up to whatever. I forget what it is to break
the you know, the orbital pull to get through that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
But it's if you're talking about like the translunar insertion
burn for the Apollo, they had to exceed twenty seven
thousand miles an hour to break free of Earth and
head for the Moon. Now, one of the things people
didn't know about, and I didn't even think about it
until I was talking to buzz Aldrin. You're going uphill

(01:08:40):
as you're moving away from the Earth. The gravity of
Earth is slowing you down because once the chemical engines
have stopped, you're gliding. Well. As they continued to travel
out towards the Moon, they got slower and slower and slower,
so that by the time they finally got to the

(01:09:02):
section where the Earth's gravity was less than the Moon's gravity,
the Moon finally started pulling them and their speed had
gotten down to like eight thousand miles an hour, and
so even though they had left Earth at twenty seven
thousand miles an hour, by the time they got into

(01:09:23):
the Moon's gravity, that slowed down to about eight thousand
miles an hour. Then once they got into the Moon's gravity,
they started speeding up and they gained speed the closer
they got to the Moon.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
Wow. Yeah. One of the things I've always wondered about,
you know, when they say space travel is you know,
the speed that they have to go and then to
Actually there's a slowdown period too that's involved in this.
When you're if we could get up anywhere near a
quarter of the speed of light, you know, I mean,

(01:10:01):
there's there's a lot, there's a really there's got to
be a breaking inertia too, you know, and well time
involved in that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
One of to me, one of the things that I
find most fascinating is that we can look through the
history of science and the cutting edge of science has
been wrong most of the time. You know, at one
point we thought the Sun revolved around the Earth. That
was wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:31):
We we have had all kinds of scientific theories and
they've had to be disproven, and then we moved to
a new theory. Then it gets disproven we moved to
a new theory. We think we are so advanced with
the theories that we have right now, But what is
gravitational waves? And are the gravitis when you're talking about

(01:11:01):
quantum mechanics, is there quantum gravity? We don't know any
of those things. We're not even close to understanding. If
we could understand zero point energy, if we could understand
using the gravitational force of quantum gravity, whatever it might be,

(01:11:26):
we would be talking about a whole level of science
that is orders of magnitude above where we're at. So
we can say, well, nobody can do this, Well, no
one can do it right now. We can't do it
right But you know in eighteen twenty, you know, there

(01:11:46):
were questions of whether or not if you got on
a train, if the speed got to sixty miles an
hour with the human body fall apart.

Speaker 1 (01:11:57):
Right, Well, that's right, yeah, what they based that on.
They based that on if you was falling off something,
that's what that's what I read about that. And because
they knew you had hit about that speed by the
time you hit the ground, if you fell off a
roof or something, of course you die, then.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Well there is far more that we don't know than
what we do know, And a lot of the stuff
we think we really know and understand, we don't know
and understand very well. And I can guarantee you two
hundred three hundred, four hundred years into the future, they're
going to know about a lot of stuff and they'll
look back at us and say, can you believe that

(01:12:37):
they had to use rockets to go to space? How
primitive were they? Well, we're not primitive compared to the
Cape man that if you're talking about Star Trek, Yeah,
we're primitive.

Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Yeah, we're always thinking we're on the pinnacle of knowledge
and technology. Have you heard or seen of any countries
to sign on airships that are very close that very
closely resemble classic UFO shapes such as Lockheeds hybrid thermal airships,
Russia's GP twenty seven, a New Drone, or UK John

(01:13:15):
West skyship. Do you know of any of these?

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
Well, I think airships when you're talking about cigar shaped UFOs.
The Goodyear Blimp at the Super Bowl could be mistaken
for something like that. But now then at the time,
for instance, the Graft Zeppelin, we had to build it

(01:13:39):
in that shape because of the material science that we had.
If we wanted today to build the same kind of
thing and make it as a sphere, we have the
capability of doing that. But the only problem is that
that would be so limiting to your flight characteristics that

(01:14:03):
there's no reason to do it. But we could do
it if we wanted that. You know, who wants to
do that? You know, we could still build stage coaches
if we wanted. Who's going to drive them?

Speaker 1 (01:14:17):
Yeah? Pretty funny. Was there, ever, when you were with NASA?
Was there ever, like any unspoken rule that you know about,
like the talk of UFOs was or was there ever
anyone talking about it? But was it like something you're
not supposed to talk about?

Speaker 2 (01:14:40):
Yes, I'll leave it at that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
Okay. Now, I had a visiting senior scientist NASA scientists
astrobiologists on this podcast, and he told me there was
water cooler talk, that's what he would call it. And
he said the this was a fascinating thing. I brought
it up many times. He said that among his peers,

(01:15:05):
he would say they would talk about if a civilization
could get through the bottleneck of technology without blowing themselves up,
then they would be traveling the stars. I thought that
was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Oh well, one of the great things about working with
all of the people at Kennedy's Space Center was that
there were literal rocket scientists. There were astrophysicists, There were
electrical engineers, there were every kind of engineers. There were pilots,
there are astronauts. And when all these people get together

(01:15:41):
and talk, they talk about all kinds of amazing things.
You know, it's not exactly water cooler talk. But you know,
if you get certain groups of people and you put
them in front of a room with other scientists and

(01:16:04):
NASA managers and so forth, and they say, have any
of you ever seen anything even remotely similar to UAP,
They're all going to say no. Now, then you get
them all at a bar, get two or three Bruskis
in them. All of a sudden they're saying, well, let
me tell you what happened on my mission, and then

(01:16:25):
they'll talk about that. But then the next day when
you talk to them officially, no, they never saw anything. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:35):
So what would you say to, like right now, if
someone's listening and they were either a government or they
had either a government or military role and they witnessed
something similar to you, But they're remaining silent. What would
you say to that person if they could, if they
were watching right now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
Totally depends on the circumstances. If their job is on
the line, they've got a family to feed, and they
feel like if I speak up, my career is going
to get flushed down the toilet. Keep quiet, it's not
worth it now. Then if they're in a position where

(01:17:16):
they could speak out, you know, maybe they've retired like
I did, Maybe they have left the military and they're
working in a totally different kind of job where there's
no security issues that would arise. Then maybe they should
say something. But I'm not going to tell someone else

(01:17:38):
what to say, because as soon as you start down
this road, I can speak from experience, there's going to
be people throwing rocks at you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
And let's just go back to nineteen ninety two. You
were in the room, the door was locked, the louvers
were down, you're watching this video. What if instead of
the knock on the door, someone had unlocked the door
and just walked in. What do you think? What would
do you think you would have been in trouble right
then and there.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
I think I probably would have been.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Not really your fault, not really your fault, that you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:17):
Well, I would probably have a lot of opportunities to
explain why I was where I was and what I
was doing, and I would probably explain it to a
number of official personnel. Hmm, I should not have been
shown that video.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Yeah, did you have a resentment about it?

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Oh? My goodness, yes, man. And on the way home,
if that guy had been in the car, I would
sw do all kinds of things.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
But because especially when they came in and asked what
you were doing, I'm sure that that really made your tense.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
Yes, Well, you know I was a major, this guy
was a major. That's one thing. When the lieutenant colonel
came in, he outranked both of us, and so making
a statement to a superior officer is a serious thing
in the military. So yeah, that made it a whole

(01:19:21):
other ballgame, right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:26):
So I'm going to just pull up another question here
in chat, the fact that it had a US Air
Force emblem. Could their description have been Yankee blue passage material?
I'm not really sure what that means. You might know
what it means.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Well. The concept of passage material is you're going to
give people information that you expect to get leaked, and
in doing so, you're providing misinformation or disinformation according to
what you're wanting to do. Yeah. For instance, when we

(01:20:02):
were going to bomb Iran, we sent some of the
B two's flying to the west, and they made a
big show of these beef if or these two bombers
fly into the west. What they didn't show you was
that there were seven B two bombers flying to the
east and they were the ones that were about to

(01:20:23):
drop the massive ordinance penetrator on Iran. So you look
over here, so you don't see what's over there. So
that's one of the things that you do if if
you don't want them to look one direction, you distract
them with something else. So passage material would be information

(01:20:43):
that you're intentionally leaking, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:47):
Think of D Day. We were going to land at Normandy,
but we put a tremendous amount of effort into trying
to make the Germans think we were landing at.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Calais, balloon tanks there and stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:21:01):
Yeah, right now, that was a massive conspiracy. But the
conspiracy was there to save the lives of the men
going ashore at Normandy. So yes, it was a government conspiracy.
And it was a massive one, but it was an
important conspiracy and it was a required conspiracy, So all
conspiracies are not inherently bad.

Speaker 1 (01:21:24):
Do you think this craft, I know you were shown it,
you know, through a government facility, but do you think
it's a possibility that this was in private hands, like
a company that may have manufactured this. Because I'm just
bringing this up because, for instance, the Schumer Rouns thing
last year actually had a I'm trying to think exact

(01:21:50):
eminent domain type of situation where they'd be able to
see what these companies had, and that was shot down.
But well, since this is outside of congressional go ahead,
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (01:22:03):
One of the first things people need to think about
is that the United States Air Force has never built
an airplane. They give the requirements of the aircraft that
they want built. For instance, for the Advanced Fighters, there
was a YF twenty two, which was an experimental F

(01:22:25):
twenty two type, and there was a YF twenty three.
They were built by competing consortiums, so they were owned
by corporations defense contractors. They were not owned by the
US Air Force. When the US Air Force made the
decision that they were going to go with the YF
twenty two. They then went back redesigned the F twenty

(01:22:50):
two for more advanced stuff, and then when the actual
model of the F twenty two was available, the US
Air Force purchased the F twenty two, put their pilots
in it, and started flying. Before the F one seventeen
ever flew as F one seventeen for the US Air Force,

(01:23:12):
it started out at the Locked skunk Works as a
thing called have Blue and so they were testing the
technology to see will this actually work? So it had
flight insignias on it. It was owned by Lockeed, but
it looked as though it was a US aircraft until

(01:23:37):
they actually made the selection of the F one seventeen
and they went into the production model of the F
one seventeen Nighthawk and the US Air Force purchased it.
That first aircraft that was purchased was the first one
that was in the US aircraft inventory. So until that
time it was owned by the skunk works.

Speaker 1 (01:24:00):
I get it, and yeah, that makes absolute total sense.
I never thought of it exactly in that way. Another question,
Here was a video shown within a sensitive compartmental compartment
and information facility, a skiff of any.

Speaker 2 (01:24:16):
It was not. But the entire building I was in
was this closed security system I had. We didn't have
iPhones back then, but I had a pager. I had
to leave the pager out in the car. I could
not take any electronic equipment in No. On Cape Canaveral,

(01:24:39):
you had to get permission before you could even take
a photo of the beach. So, wow, this was a
security area. This at the time. It was high tech.
But in one of our buildings, the floors had sensitized

(01:25:04):
capabilities so that from the moment you walked in, it
could track your footprints, so that no matter where you
went in the facility, at any given moment, they would
know where you were because they attracted every step you
had taken inside that building.

Speaker 1 (01:25:21):
Wow, isn't that something I had no idea that was
that guarded.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Yeah. And the thing is, I'm saying that because that
was thirty years ago. I'm sure we've got better step
than this now.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Right right. Another question was a tether possibly supplying the
craft with helium or other similar fuel based or known
airships designs that utilize such fuel. And you saw no
exhaust of any type.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
Of There was there is no exhaust. Now, I wasn't
looking through a flair forward looking infrared, so I couldn't
see if there was any radiation of that. But those
umbilicals were doing something. If those umbilicals were not required

(01:26:08):
to make that vehicle work, they wouldn't have been attached.
So those three umbilicals were attached for some reason, and
that's one of the major reasons that I believe. It
had to be a test vehicle, probably owned by a
contractor or a contractor consortium, and so that was a

(01:26:33):
test bed program that craft was not ready to go
fly through the skies. This was a basic test of technology.

Speaker 1 (01:26:44):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I mentioned the Have Blue In nineteen seventy six, they
had the Have Blue and they were testing how it
would work, but it was not a functional system at
that time. So the Have Blue ended up becoming what
was the F one seventeen, but that was a decade later,

(01:27:05):
So they were going through testing and development for more
than a decade before they actually had the F one
seventeen as a viable bummer.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Wow. Okay, here's a question from Tony and light of
the recent article he's talking about the Wall Street Journal
about UFO hazing, did any doubt ever enter your mind
whether you may have been a victim of the hazing
or like most reasonable people, did you just dismiss the article?

Speaker 2 (01:27:36):
That is one of the craziest things I've ever heard. Yeah,
I thought, I don't know how the Wall Street Journal
could put that out with the straight face. I mean,
it belongs in Mad magazine or something.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:27:53):
That was the biggest piece of garbage I believe I've
read in a long time. I how on earth the
Wall Street Journal could produce some kind of a story
like that and try to pretend it was legitimate. I've

(01:28:14):
got no understanding. If I had been on that editorial
staff and they said, well, this is what we're going
to do, I would acquit I well, you know, have
been part of that.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
The thing that I spoke with Robert Sallas, Bob Sallas
about this, Oh yeah, he was a great guy, and
yeah he said he is. And he was contacted by
that reporter since I think he said last year, and
they were like best buddies. So the whole time he
was planning on sabotaging him, and he had no idea.
He was acting like it was going to be a

(01:28:47):
really good article, and that's what he came up with
it was rather sad.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
That's terrible because Robert Salas is a really terrific guy.
I believe everything that he has said. Talk to him
several times. He was doing nuclear service to this country.
You know, a lot of people don't really think about
the job they had. Every time they go to work.

(01:29:15):
There's a chance that someone somewhere is going to do
something really stupid and they're going to have to insert
that key and launch an intercontinental ballistic missile. And I
believe the warheads were one point three megatons. One point
three megaton warhead was going to fly to another part

(01:29:37):
of the earth and absolutely destroy a massive city. And
this was your job. He has my complete respect.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
Yeah, talk about PTSD. Wow. Okay, here's another way. Are
you familiar with what an electrostatic lifter is?

Speaker 2 (01:29:58):
Yes? I am. Now, I don't believe this was what
was going on here, But the only way I would
be able to explain it would be to tell information
that I don't want to tell. So I'm just going
to say this did not impress me as one at all.

Speaker 1 (01:30:20):
I got it. Thank you. Polly has this question, doctor Rogers,
in your opinion, who really holds the truth for disclosure
of the government, the Vatican, independent researchers experiencers.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
For the United States, it's the United States government. But
as soon as you say that, you have to say, well,
what is the government. Well, the President is the government.
He's the chief for the executive branch. Well, the Pentagon
is the government. The FAA is the government, the NRO

(01:30:58):
is the government, the CIA is the government. The Supreme
Court is the government. Congress is the government. The National
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is the government. The Tennessee Valley
Authority is the government. We have so many sections and

(01:31:18):
divisions of the government that many times have duplicated the
same mission type and many times our sequestering information. You know,
when we saw nine to eleven and they evaluated, if

(01:31:39):
all of the government agencies had spoken to each other,
they could have figured out these guys are are going
to try to do something, and we could have stopped
those terrafts. The only problem is there's too many areas
of the government that do not speak to other areas
of the government. That's right, and so everything is so segmented.

(01:32:00):
There's no one area that has control of all of
the information. So even if you had disclosure from one agency.
All they could do is reveal the knowledge from that agency,
and they couldn't do it from the information stored in
twenty three other agencies.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
That's right, and that there were some changes because of that.
I spoke with an FBI agent last year and we
talked about nine to eleven, and he said, there, you know,
there was a stovepipe situation where you know, the information
was exactly what you're talking about. No inter you know,
government agencies reacting with each other. And he said, since then,

(01:32:42):
they've changed somethings, so so that won't happen again. But
I don't know if it's they've changed them enough. You know,
there's still that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
I doubt it. I doubt it. You know, there there
is so much partisanship, even within just the military. You know,
the Navy does things completely different from the Air Force.
The Air Force does things different from the Army. The

(01:33:09):
Army does things different from the Space Force. Now, then
they tried to get together what's known as the Defense
Health Agency, and they thought, what we will do is
take all of the medical assets from all of these areas,
combine them into one group, and then all of these physicians, nurses,

(01:33:32):
all of these medical systems will work similarly, and then
we can just parcel them out. If the Air Force
needs somebody, we can send out this part of the
Defense Health Agency. If the Navy needs something, we can
do this part of the Defense Health Agency. When I
heard about this, I said, that's going to be the
biggest pile of foul material I've ever heard of, And

(01:33:58):
sure enough it was. The Navy's not going to give
up the things that they want to do the way
they want to do it, even with people on flight status.
The Army had their own form for daniff duty not

(01:34:20):
involving flying. The Air Force had a totally separate one.
The Navy had a separate one. In fact, they wouldn't
even call it a form. They called it a chit CCHI.
So I want to spell that, but I mean the
Navy has do everything totally different. These organizations are not

(01:34:41):
going to cooperate with each other for any of these things.
What on earth makes you think they're going to reveal
secrets that are hidden so deep within the government.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
Very good point. Here's another question from Paully. If the
tic TAC is quote ours, where are the warehouse? Who
is flying them? And I'm sure you heard about that speculation,
lockeed Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:35:06):
Says, yes, well, now then they didn't say it. Now
it could not have been I can absolutely say it
was not Lucky Martin in nineteen ninety two. And the
reason was Martin Marietta and Luckeyed had not joined forces
until nineteen ninety five, So Martin Marrietta was a completely

(01:35:26):
different organization at that time. Now, then after ninety five,
if they joined forces, they could produce something like that.
And as I said, what I think I saw was,
you know, ninety nine percent chance owned by a defense contractor.

(01:35:49):
So the defense contractors are getting together to do these things.
And if you're on the verge of creating something totally
new and different, you're not going to let somebody else
know about it, especially an opposition. You know, if you

(01:36:12):
go back to the nineteen fifties, the British Overseas Air Corporation,
I think BOACH was coming up with their form of
early jet travel. Well Boeing was coming up with the
seven oh seven. So the American airliners were flying seven

(01:36:33):
oh sevens and the British were flying their own sorts
of jets. But the secrets of the Boeing seven oh
seven were not going to be shared with the British
Aerospace Company because they had millions of dollars on the line.

(01:36:54):
Even though companies have all of these other things going on,
corporate profits, the retention of power, the ability to go
to the next generation of technology, those are all things

(01:37:16):
that are uppermost in the mind of all defense contractors.
So they're going to have that in their boardroom, and
then in whatever secret places they have below the boardroom,
they're still going to be driven by those factors.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
Right, I mean, if only we could just see all
the technology that they have that's top secret, I mean
we probably just we may not even understand some of it.
I mean, I'm sure there's you know. I mean you've
heard about skunk Works saying that they could take each home.
Now this was way back in the nineties, yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:37:59):
I mean, well, what if you were the first company
in the world that came up with fiber optics, are
you going to share that information with anyone else? Or
are you going to try to make all the money
you can because you're the only people who can use
fiber optics. Now that's not space technology per se, But

(01:38:20):
if you're the only company with fiber optics. You're going
to make a ton of money.

Speaker 1 (01:38:26):
Right, So I gotta tell you you're not going to
share that. Yeah. Funny Storyback when I was a kid,
I knew someone that knew someone that had developed the
Velcrow machine and that was guarded. They had armed guards
around that machine when they were transporting it. Yes, I

(01:38:47):
mean that's Velcrow.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Well, do you know what the most secret chemical in
World War Two was teflon tetraflora ethylene. For some of
the components for the nuclear bonds that we were making.
They accidentally discovered tetraflora ethylene and it had the capability

(01:39:15):
of resisting breakdown, of securing electronic communications without interference, and
so because it was being used as a key element
on Fat Man and Little Boy, teflon was one of
the most secret chemicals on the face of the earth.

(01:39:37):
And then when they developed newer, better stuff, they said, well, hey,
what if we just put it on pans and fry eggs.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
With it, and it's probably not good for you either.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
One of those No, the t FOA and p fos,
you know, those things are terrible. They're everywhere. You can
go to Antarctica you can take.

Speaker 1 (01:40:04):
In Africa, trunkles everywhere, and they're going.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
To have those chemicals inside them. They're forever chemicals. We're
never going to get rid of them.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yes, I've read about that that it's pretty scary. Here's
from Terrence. What do you think they have now? And
how can rotate? However, turn and be silent and thank
you for your service.

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
Okay. As soon as you have new technology, you can
do new things with it. Mm hmm. Have you ever
watched the robot show that I think is on Discovery
Channel and they building the robots and they go attack
each other. Okay, every time somebody comes up with a

(01:40:54):
brand new robot that destroys everybody else. The next year
everyone is eddie what that robot did, And when they
come out, they have totally new technology to destroy that one,
and so another one becomes champion, and then all of
the people making the robots come back and do that.

(01:41:15):
I think that is technology and a microcosm of what
is going on worldwide. M battles. That's the name of
battle bots. My wife and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
Oh okay, yeah, what makes you think the footage was real?
I mean, what would be the purpose if it wasn't right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:39):
I have seen all kinds of stuff in my lifetime,
and I saw everything that we had. I had seen
closed circuit television for lots of different things. There is
no way anyone's going to convince me that what I
saw was not real. It wasn't realistic. It was real.

(01:42:01):
There's a big difference. Yeah, you can watch some of
the AI staff and yes, it looks very realistic, but
it's not real. What I saw was real.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
I mean, if you if you saw this today, we
can't trust anything we see. Actually today, I feel that way,
you know, I mean, just about anything can be done
through Aire definitely getting there. Yeah, that's pretty scary. Okay.
Why do you think all the world government this is
from Terence again, why do you think all the world

(01:42:35):
governments continue governments continue to lie to us about this?
Don't they understand disclosure could come at any second from anywhere.
Well that's your opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:42:48):
Who's the Who's the most powerful country on earth?

Speaker 1 (01:42:53):
America? Right now? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:42:59):
Who is afraid that the United States are going to
put thirty five or fifty percent or seventy five percent
tariffs on things that are bought in the United States? Everybody,
we do not live in a singular world. Everything is global.

(01:43:22):
You know, if you look at the seeds that are
used to grow crops. I believe that I've read that
over ninety percent of all of the seeds planted in
the world come from ten different corporations. This, this is
a global community. And you step out of line, you

(01:43:44):
do too much, man, you're gonna get hammered. And I
think it's fear.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
Yeah, yeah, a lot of what is happening like that
is based on fear. You know, That's that's I do
believe that's the base of a lot of skeptics. And
you know, if something really bothers them, then they want

(01:44:12):
to rationalize why it can't be true instead of really
looking into it thoroughly.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
You know, Well, think about this. I mean, it's been
mentioned time after time after time. What are some of
the facilities that are most visited by UAPs wherever we
have nuclear weapons. If we were traveling to another world

(01:44:47):
and they were inferior to us, and we were looking
at him, checking them out, trying to keep him from
killing each other, all of a sudden, we see one
tribe that develops tri nitro toluene when no one else
does that's T and T, and so they have T

(01:45:08):
and T. Nobody else has T and T, and because
they have T and T, they go destroying all of
the other civilizations on that world. If we were monitoring this,
you know, would we want to step in and do something?
Would we pay attention to that? Well, we probably would mm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:28):
I know. There was a a great UFO researcher for
a long time, Stanton Friedman. Did you ever hear of this?

Speaker 2 (01:45:34):
Yes, yes, doctor Friedman.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
And he used to say, well, you used to always
correct people. It's not he was not a doctor. He
always corrected people. People called him doctor Freed all the.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Time, but well he deserved it regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:45:46):
Yeah, that's right. He used to say that, you know,
the kids found the mattress and that's yeah, you know,
that's how why you think they showed up after you know,
nineteen forty five, nineteen forty four, whenever. The first was.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
Do you know what ligo is? Ligo h Logo is
an experiment that was created to discover gravitational waves. And
so part of it was in the northern US, in
the state of Washington, I believe, and then the other
section was down in like South Africa, and they were

(01:46:26):
able to actually detect gravitational waves from two massive black
holes that hit each other. Well, now that we had
that technology, we could detect those gravitational waves. Twenty years
before that, those same gravitational waves could have hit Earth

(01:46:46):
and we wouldn't have known about it. So the ability
to figure out what is going on is based on
the level of technology that you have available at any
given moment. If aliens had a technology that a nuclear
detonation somehow fragmented space time itself and sent out some

(01:47:18):
sort of information through space time that really advanced technologies
could discover as soon as they said, hey, here's this
rippon space time. Somebody's just set off a nuclear weapon.
Well it came from over there, let's go check those
guys out. We don't know, you know, there is more

(01:47:44):
to science that we don't know than what we do know.
And when we set off a nuclear weapon, there could
be types of effects upon space time that we just
don't even conceive.

Speaker 1 (01:47:59):
Right right, Yeah, I believe, I do believe we know
so little in general, you know. I mean, there's that
great saying that says, what we know is a drop,
what we don't know is a nocean, that. Here's a
question for you, and I'd like to elaborate a little
bit on UFOs re reported before the United States ever existed.

(01:48:20):
Why is everything now supposedly man made? I just heard
someone on a show that was not about UFOs, but
the UFO topic came up, and the guests said, well,
everything's I really do believe that everything people are seeing
is man made. And this bugs me because just what
this person, Terrence is saying right here is that people

(01:48:43):
have reported these objects doing this unusual flight characteristics at
really high speeds for you know, fifty years, So I
mean they you can't believe that they're a man made
fifty years ago or seventy five years ago that would
do that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:01):
I would go back to the Wall Street Journal. There
are people who want other people to believe certain things.
You know, when we go back, you look at the Bible.
Elijah walked across the Jordan River, and all of a sudden,
this flying charot came down. He got on the chart.

(01:49:24):
He knew it was coming, and so he was prepared
for the coming of this flying chariot. This flying charot
comes down, he gets on, it takes off through these clouds. Well,
those people did not know how to describe a spacecraft.
The fastest thing they knew of was a chariot. If
they saw a space Shuttle launch, and we took him

(01:49:48):
to Kennedy's Space Center and they launched, and they saw
these seven people in these fun orange suits get in
this huge craft and all of a sudden it launches
with terrible noise. You know, when we were standing three
miles away at the time of lunch, somebody could stand

(01:50:09):
right next to you. You could scream as loud as
you wanted, and they couldn't hear you. Car alarms would
be set off ten and twelve miles away from Kennedy's
Space Center because of their vibrations. Now that when these
people saw that and they go back to ancient Israel,
how are they going to describe it? Those things are

(01:50:32):
documented through history, it doesn't you know. The Manas in
ancient India, the star people in the Anasazi, the Incas,
the Aztecs, the Mayans, they all have stories of things
like Vakoca coming down from the sky and teaching them.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
All these things.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
None, none of this is new. It's been around for
a long time. It's just the people who are now
involved with it. Don't want everyone else to know, so
they're still going to tell the same lies, just like
the Wall Street Journal did.

Speaker 1 (01:51:12):
Right, it's an interesting question. Have any foreign entities contacted
you after disclosing your story?

Speaker 2 (01:51:22):
Well, technically yes. There's like a morning show sort of
like Good Morning in America or something from Sydney, Australia,
and so they contacted me and asked if I would
mind being on their show. So I said okay, So
I get to sit right at my desk just like

(01:51:44):
I am now and I got to speak to these
people in Sydney, Australia. So yes, I was contacted from
a foreign country and it was a morning show for
people who were driving to work in Sydney, Australia. So yes,
I've had that. I've had people from England, Germany, India,

(01:52:06):
all kinds of stuff contact me, but just as individuals,
not as uh, you know, the leaders of a country.
Take take me to your leader, you know, and none
of that kind of stuff. No, no one has offered
for me to uh run their country for them, which
is a good thing because I would turn that down.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Well, I have to do a shout out to Australia
because they're one of the biggest listeners of this show
the United States first, and usually Australia or England. You
know you yeah, there you go. Look at the hat. Oh,
I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
This is an Australian bush hat that I got from
an Australian flight surgeon. I traded one of my Amaican
flight suits for this. So this is a real, honest
to goodness Australian bush hat.

Speaker 1 (01:52:57):
Wow, greet the crocodile dundee. Crocodile dundee thing going on there.
That's great. And here's a compliment to you. This is
one of one unique guests. This is one unique guest
you have here. I think that's that sounds like a
compliment in some type of way.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
I can't hear anything.

Speaker 1 (01:53:15):
We'll take it. Can you hear me? Now, you're not okay,
you're gonna have to go in your settings. You unplugged.
You must have unplugged. I don't want to end the
show like this. Okay, let's see. Maybe he'll figure this out. Uh,

(01:53:36):
you cannot hear me. Correct, cannot hear me. It's a
setting like down below setting. Ah, Okay. I think when
he put his hat on, he must have unplugged unplugged

(01:53:58):
his h I don't have a phote. Yeah, well, you
know we're going to have to end the show then.
I'm terribly sorry. I mean, you could talk, but you
can't hear me to know that you could talk? Can
you hear anything? I can't hear anything. He's trying to

(01:54:18):
figure it out. I see. Well, I think it's been
He's been a wonderful guest and this is the reallyest
sad way to end the show. But I want to
thank you all for your all Right, does he hear me? Now?
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:54:33):
Now?

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
I can't really write to him because I don't think
he sees the private chat. Let me see if he does.
Hang on, everyone, we'll see you just went out. He's
going to try to come back in again. We're going
to give him a couple of minutes. But I want
to thank everyone right now for all those who have
joined in today. There's some great questions, still a lot

(01:54:57):
to get to. He's coming back in. We're going to
see if we can if he can hear me now,
I can I can see. Yeah, you can hear me now,
I'll hold it all right? Hear me now?

Speaker 2 (01:55:11):
Okay? Yeah, I actually did it my fault.

Speaker 1 (01:55:15):
Okay, But on the Australian.

Speaker 2 (01:55:16):
Had I turned the volume down.

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Okay, Well, glad you're back because I was just already
show and we're going to go for another fifteen minutes
if you're right with that. Sure, okay, because you know,
we haven't even asked a lot of the the questions
in chat. Unfortunately we didn't have a phone we could
have taken in some calls that would have been a
lot of fun. So I haven't read this question yet.

(01:55:41):
I'm going to write it. Read it now. You mentioned
a craft earlier that was inside a hangar. It was
its sealed inside a clear structure and a liquid for
the purpose of maneuvers to shield you. You couldn't tell
that they were. There were people around it, so it
was and there was yet like normal air, right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
Yes, it was just sitting there and and then it
started moving, so there there was nothing nothing else there,
I see.

Speaker 1 (01:56:14):
Okay, So I think we got through most of the questions.
So I'm really interested to know how your journey goes ahead.
And I really love to know if you were ever
contacted to actually, you know, talk about this. I actually
do have a connection with a few people Temper chet

(01:56:36):
for instance. He's someone that I can actually get a
hold of through someone. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
I love the fact that he said, we're going to
get to the bottom of this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:45):
I know that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:47):
Okay, you know, keep working, mister Burchett.

Speaker 1 (01:56:51):
Yeah, yep. And you know what I really loved about
being at the hearing, at the two hearings I was at,
is it's completely bipartisan. I mean, you would see AOC
in the same rung whom as Matthew what was his name,
get it, I can't think of his name right now.
But you'd see people that normally would fight about anything

(01:57:13):
and they're just getting along fine. They both are curious
and questions.

Speaker 2 (01:57:18):
Here's something I have said many times down through the years,
and I absolutely stand by this. I had friends of
mine who died for this country. They did not put
a Democratic flag on that coffin. They did not put
a Republican flag on that coffin. They put an American
flag on that coffin. Yes, if our people are willing

(01:57:39):
to give their lives in order to protect this country,
our elected officials have more obligation to the United States
people than they do the Republican or Democratic parties.

Speaker 1 (01:57:53):
I totally agree with you, and I can't stress that enough.
I think there's way too much a division. And you're bad.
I'm good, you're you know all that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
Well, our very fathers, our friending fathers, didn't get along
very well, but at least they understood compromise. We've got
to get together if we're going to beat the British.
So they compromised.

Speaker 1 (01:58:18):
Yeah, that's right, that's right. Yeah. I blame a lot
of social media for the division. Two media and social media. Anyway,
here's this question. Here are you? I can't even pronounce
that word aerial gel. If it's a buoyancy aid, how
can it displace air and move so quickly? Do you
know anything about that?

Speaker 2 (01:58:41):
I think I know what they're talking about. And the
reason it can't displace air and move so quickly is
because it's not capable to do so.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
Ah. I was told that there was some type of
material that like is floating. This was I had Professor
Simon On and he was talking about like this type
of material that was developed by lock Lockheed and that

(01:59:13):
he could actually float up for high surveillance. And it
was a material not a gas.

Speaker 2 (01:59:20):
Okay, but there's still going to be a force variant
within the universe. There's going to be a boson, a
force element with a plus one plus two plus three
rotation of the plank constant that is going to be
affecting that material. The material itself is going to be

(01:59:42):
made of a fermion that's going to be plus one,
half one and a half integer spin of the plank constant.
But there's no way any material is going to rise
like that without being affected by both sons.

Speaker 1 (02:00:02):
Hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:00:03):
That's just that's just quantum mechanics.

Speaker 1 (02:00:06):
Mm hmmmm. So a question for you, what are you
hoping to achieve by talking about this?

Speaker 2 (02:00:19):
Well? I cannot tell everything that David Grush does, and
he knows a lot. But I can say, look, he
told you that someone saw an alien reproduction vehicle. That
was me. I saw that, So I can stand up
and do that, and then that takes the pressure off

(02:00:39):
him so he can tell the rest of the story
and people will listen. I can't tell the rest of
his story.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
Right right, And asd say, you know, from a medical perspective,
how would you interpret consistent reports from credible individuals like pilots, astronauts,
engineers people like that, From the medical side, like, are
I'm sure you're trained to, you know, assess the person

(02:01:12):
when psychologically I mean, I know you're a flight surgeon,
but I mean, how would you from the medical perspective?
What do you think about when people are talking about that.

Speaker 2 (02:01:24):
Well, I'll tell you one thing that I speak about
a lot, and that is the special characteristics of UAPs
to turn at high speeds and using high G forces.
When I went through the centrifuge before I flew F sixteen's,

(02:01:47):
I went up to eight g's and wow, I'll tell
you it is a massive force when you know the
F sixteen is the twelve G acraft. But the only
problem is the pilots are only nine G humans, so
they have limitters to prevent the the jet from exceeding

(02:02:11):
the capabilities of its pilots. And Chris Lado knows all
about this. We were talking about it because he's a
viper driver, so he knows all about it. When I
know what G forces do to you, and I know
what five g's feels like, six g's feels like, seven
g's feels like eight g's feel like. And then somebody

(02:02:33):
tells me this vehicle executed a six hundred g turn.
You got to be kidding me. Yeah, that that's beyond anything.
You know, even our an F sixteen jet could not
tolerate a six hundred g turn. It would let all

(02:02:55):
apart the materials could not tolerate that. And yet we
are seeing these things happen. We are monitoring them with
advanced radar systems. We are monitoring what they're doing, and
we are watching them do this. And people can say
we don't have evidence. We have lots of evidence. If

(02:03:17):
we had the evidence that the faighteen's had of the
objects they were monitoring, and instead of a UAP, that
was a person with a gun and they shot somebody,
those videos would be good enough to put them away
for the rest of their lives. Those videos are authoritative.

Speaker 1 (02:03:42):
Right, No, totally agree, totally agree. Well, it's been wonderful.
I've really enjoyed our conversation very much, and I want
to thank everyone also that has been in chat. Thank
you all for participating tonight. And so anyway, i'd like
for you to if you wouldn't mind staying in the

(02:04:03):
in the back room in the green room, I'd like
to have a chat with you afterwards, But for now
I want to say goodbye to you and thank you
so much for being on this show.

Speaker 2 (02:04:15):
Okay, well it was fun, all right, great, great, all right.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Everyone, So we're going to be back this coming Thursday
at eight pm. If you listening to KGr, it'll be
the next day at six pm, but Thursday at a
pm with Dan Alioto. And don't forget to check out
the merchandise, the new merchandise, the links right down below
and YouTube and down in the podcast as well, and

(02:04:39):
check out our blog and all that, and thank you
again everyone, and remember to keep your eyes to the

Speaker 2 (02:05:11):
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