August 21, 2025 • 57 mins
Back in 2007, James witnessed a brilliant fireball-like UFO that appeared to interact with his thoughts. Soon after, he experienced an out-of-body state triggered by trauma, and even received what he describes as a telepathic call urging him to step outside. What followed was a stunning face-to-face encounter with a massive, low-flying craft—observed not only by James, but also by his own family. Since then, James has dedicated himself to exploring the intersection of UFO encounters, consciousness, and human contact. In this interview, he recounts his powerful story, delves into the mysteries of altered states, and shares insights gained through years of practicing CE-5. If you’ve ever wondered about the connection between UFO contact and the human mind, this is a conversation you won’t want to miss. SHOW NOTES
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hellowen, Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host
and excited to have another Thursday night show here. I
have James I and Dolly on tonight. I listened to
him on another podcast and he has quite a story
and so we're gonna be talking with him in just
a minute, just a few things here. Next week on Tuesday,
(00:47):
it might be myself Jack UFO Jack who helps me
out with YouTube and all that, Peter Robbins possibly another guest.
We're going to be talking about the Exeter UFO incident.
Fascinating case if you've ever looked into that. So I'm
going to be talking about that. I'm going to be
speaking at the conference the following Sunday. After that, and
(01:10):
as I mentioned before, we're going to be out in Sedona,
and well before that, we're going to be up at
shag Harbor. I'm going to be the EMC there again
this year, up at Shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, And that's
the first few days of October. I think it's the
third through the fifth of October. And then we're going
to be out in Sedona at Travis Walton's fiftieth anniversary
(01:34):
of his UFO encounter, and that event is going to
be October seventeenth through twentieth. A lot of people know.
I do believe it was November fifth when the incident
actually happened. So ten years ago I had contacted Travis
and I said, you know, for his fortieth they were
actually in Snowflake where the incident happened, and I got
(01:57):
Travis a satellite because the phone don't he said, the
phones won't come in there. So everyone was meeting at
the event and Alejandro Rojas was there and I called him.
I actually got through, so he had signal and so
I go where you know, the show's starting here, where's Travis?
Is he there? He's always running late. So so Travis
(02:20):
shows up and he forgot the satellite phone. It was
expensive to rent that satellite phone for he forgot it. Luckily,
the phone that Alejandro had on him was working, had
enough signal and we pulled it off. It worked. But
this year it's not going to be held in a Snowflake.
It's going to be in Sedona, which if you've ever
(02:40):
been there, If you have not been there, I should
say I say that it's a place to visit in
the country. There's a lot of people that talk about
unusual things that happened there. But other than that, you know,
it's such a beautiful area. So Ron James lives there.
I'll be visiting with him and several others. But that's
enough for me. I'm gonna bring James idolably in right now.
(03:04):
How did I do with your name? James?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Perfect?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And Doli if you're if you're super Italian, you can
say yan Doli? But is the way right?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All right? All right, so welcome to the show. So
you actually do a show yourself called Engaging in the Phenomenon.
As you can see you have it right up here.
So what I know you had things happen in your life.
Is that what made you interested in actually starting this
year channel and all that because of the things that
happened or did you have an interest before things happened?
(03:39):
I should ask you how young you were?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right? Yeah? Well, first of all, yeah, it's an honor
to be on your show. You know, I've been watching
your show for years, and you know, I remember you
had like Christopher Bloodsoe on before he was like well known,
you know, and you did.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I had him back in the nine two thousand
and twelve. I had him on right right when.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I think it was around the time that that show aired,
but people still weren't picking up on his his stuff
back then. But yeah, for me, I guess you can
call me an experience or uh, I don't. I don't
so much like labels and to say, so, oh, this
person's an experience or this other person's a non experience,
(04:21):
or we're you know, we're human beings.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And some people just happened to be tuned into a
particular you know, their aperture might be more open or
something instigates an event. But for me, I was having
a high strangers event since I was young, So you know,
for me, it started off with entity encounters and those
(04:46):
entities I don't generally assume or or even back then,
I never associated them with with like a UFO intelligence
per se, because they were shadow type entity, but they
had a light scintillation to them, but they were highly
telepathic and if it happened more than a half dozen times,
(05:08):
it was frightening. When I was young, I was awake
and lucid and scared, to be honest, and I had
had a body experiences and that was when I was
very young, and so you know, going on from there,
I had, you know, periodic UFO sightings when I was
a kid outside I I was fascinated by them, and
(05:34):
so I was always interested in in UFOs and metaphysics.
I never found it to be something strange. There was
always something fascinating. And you know, coincidentally, I live right
in the Hudson Valley where the Hudson Valley ufolways wave occurred.
And you know, I was born during the Hudson Value
UFO wave. You know, if that's any constellation.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, have you ever checked to see if you're a
hybrid or not?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Just you know, Harry Nolan, I feel run the DNA
test then you know, even if you got the result,
it'd be classified.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Hey, I got to tell you when I was Yes,
when I was out in uh, I was at Pine Bush.
I don't know, maybe three or four years ago. I
talked to someone who now lives in Las Vegas, but
her and her family lived in you know, the Pine
Bush area, and so I started talking to the daughter.
(06:30):
This is a this is a woman who ran my
Facebook page for seven or eight years. Every day she'd
posts them. She was really very helpful and by the
way that jobs available as a volunteer basis in particular.
But uh so, so she was posting all the time,
and so I got to talk to her, you know,
(06:51):
because I remember she said she was in Pine Bush
and I said, anything weird happened. She goes, let me
get my daughter. So her daughter gets on the phone,
and she said that they were outside and chairs like
lawn chairs and things like that, and there was like
this high grass around this area where there was like
a dirt area to park in, and so she's like
walking and she says this. This sounds nuts to people
(07:14):
when you say this, but she said there was a
being just like staring at her, and you know, the
big eyes, like the typical gray it sounded like. And
then it just vanished in the grass and scared the
heck out of her. And but there's just it seems
like an area where there's a lot of things that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, and you know there's a lot over here, you know,
whether it's like people say, it's a it's a vortex
center area. But also, I mean, right, I don't want
to dox myself, but I live very close to Indian Point,
you know, so the UFO is and nukes. Thing is,
you know, it's nuclear powered. So and yeah, cam Smith
(07:54):
right over here in West Point, so there's there's a
lot over here.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right right, and yeah. Well, and but the stories were
that they would just all people would just gathering their
beach chairs and just wait for them to come. I mean,
that's how often they happen. You know, during the summer.
Cars would pull over the side of the road and
they would just get their lawn chairs out, just sit
there and wait.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, and you know, there's the Pine Bush is kind
of like an infamous area, the whole Hudson Valley really
because yea, even even growing up, you know, I and
there's plenty of people who I spoke to about my
interest in UFOs. I'd ask them, uh and you know
(08:39):
a majority of people around here even still today, either
themselves personally or family members and people they knew closely
saw the UFO, the Hudson Valley UFO during that time
they in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
M right, right, So let's talk a little bit more
about what you're appearances were. You said there were entities. Now,
how young were you when these things started happening.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So that started when I was around five or six,
that that age frame, and again it was it was
the first time that it had ever happened. I had
seen them, and I was scared. And the first thing
I heard again telepathically was he can see us, and
(09:34):
and that freaked me out. And and then the being
there's three of them they collapsed into like an orbs
and came together. And if you ever saw the movie
The Knowing with Nicholas Cage, I know, yeah so that
that great movie. Yeah so, and and whoever made that movie,
(09:55):
I don't know if they did research or what, or
if they just made it up. But the whisp bring
that that phenomena where they the kids are hearing the
whispering it like auditorially, I heard something akin to that,
very similar to that, except mentally, I you know, I
(10:16):
heard and felt differently like it was very clear, like
no no question in my mind what the message was.
So uh, you know, when people talk about telepathy, it's
not just an auditory phenomenon. There's there's a physical and
or even like emotional kinesthetic components to it. So yeah, so,
(10:39):
And that happened more than a half dozen times spontaneously
or periodically, until about the time I was maybe eleven
or twelve was the last time it happened. So again,
by by that age, I was not There was no
confusion when I was that age of what's going on?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Now? Do you try to tell your parents about it?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I didn't. Maybe maybe the first time, but never. I
never made it an issue with them, right, so, because
you know, again when I was younger, I was more
frightened by it, and I probably hadn't mentioned it to them,
but I don't recall having like a whole conversation with
(11:26):
them about it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And did you ever talk to them later in life
about any of this stuff, any of your family?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, well, yeah, after that's kind of jumping ahead a little,
because I started having kind of in your face experiences
by the time of two thousand and seven, and at
that point I was twenty years old, and I had
brought it up because of these later experiences. So yeah,
(11:58):
later on I ended up bring all.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Right, well, let's let's go back to doing it chronologically,
how things happened with you, if you would.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sure, So those original encounters, if you want to call
them experiences, those entities, I even still to this day,
I don't. I don't necessarily think that they were UFO
beings or occupants. It didn't because even after later on,
when I had UFO encounters, it was a different There
(12:29):
was a telepathic component, but it was it was a
completely different experience. So you know, from there, I you know,
I don't know why I had the experiences necessarily, but
for some reason I had those entity encounters. But then
I also had spontaneous out of body experiences where I
would be in between being awake and falling asleep and
(12:56):
there was no lapse in my consciousness. I was just
you know, like staring at the ceiling basically, and all
of a sudden, my perspective shifts and I'm looking down
at myself and and then all of a sudden, I'm like,
holy crap, that that's me. And then you know, bam,
I go back into my body and it's it's it
wasn't even just like an instantaneous thing. I saw myself
(13:18):
going back down and that happened a number of times spontaneously.
But you know, going on from there, I had UFO
sightings when I was younger, but for me, it was
not it wasn't I mean, at that age it wasn't
(13:40):
like this. It was exciting, but it wasn't like a
paradigm shifting thing in the sense where like I, you know,
I would try to take pictures of them with disposable cameras, uh,
and they never came out, and it was always like,
you know, late at night. At that age, I couldn't
really differentiate a satellite. I didn't have the kind of
(14:00):
awareness or context when that was going on at that time,
So I can't say for sure that those were UFOs,
but in my mind, at least at that time that
I was thinking they were UFOs and there were weird
lights moving around in the sky and I was following
them and they seemed to follow me, so that, you know,
after that I had there was maybe a dropping off.
(14:24):
And by the time I was eighteen years old, and
this is two thousand and five, I started getting really
involved in meditation. I was practicing Chinese martial arts, practicing chigong,
basic yoga, and meditation, and I was practicing it pretty seriously,
(14:45):
so I you know, and again this whole time I
was I was already interested in UFOs, and I was
doing UFO research, you know, reading books and such and
going on the internet. But then in two thousands, that's
when I had a series of really in your face
experiences that kind of brought me where I am today,
(15:07):
and that that also they had they seemed to happen sequentially,
and there were aspects of high strangeness, and that all
began in uh it was probably the late spring, and
again I'm twenty years old. I was working an overnight
(15:30):
shift and in the morning, I'm finishing up my shift
and one of my coworkers, who is you know, he's
in his fifties or sixties, super conservative guy. Anything we
talk about is like work related. He's telling me about
the union there and the union rules and this and
that because he's a delegate and you know, hey, how's
(15:52):
your family, that kind of thing. So all of a sudden,
like one morning, he says to me, hey, did you
hear about the UF in Mexico? And that it caught
me off guard because he didn't know that I had
any kind of interest in that. I never had brought
anything up like that at work or anything, so I
found it strange. But I said, no, I didn't hear
(16:16):
about it, and I really didn't, so I just kind
of went on with the rest of my shift and finished.
I thought it was weird. But I didn't think anything
of it afterwards, because you know, I thought it was
just a random question, like it maybe there was some
kind of thing in the news or something. So I
(16:37):
went home and I went to sleep. So I went
to sleep. By the time I got home and went
to sleep, it's probably like eight thirty am. I And
when I went to sleep, I became aware in a dream. Right,
So it's a dream. But I was aware in the dream.
(16:57):
And in the dream, I'm in my old neighborhood where
I had actually seen those UFOs, And I was driving
down in my old neighborhood and there was an again
this is a dream. There's an orange plasma electric UFO
(17:19):
like twenty twenty five feet above my car. And I mean,
I'm like, I'm driving and I'm like panicking. It was
kind of like, you know, again it's a dream. So
I'm like super reactive. I didn't think why, but I'm like,
oh my god, I have to get away from this thing.
So I'm in you know, this is going on for
two and a half minutes of me driving through my
(17:39):
old neighborhood trying to get away from this orange plasma
like UFO that had the UFO was like pulsing, and
I had felt the same pulsing in my body. But
you know, I snap out of that dream and I
wake up, and I'm just coming to like, you know,
(18:01):
I'm not really thinking much about the dream other than
that was kind of weird. But then one of my
family members comes in my house and they say, hey,
did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico? And that's
when I was like, that's when everything kind of clicked
(18:21):
for me, right, because I wasn't connecting any of this
until that point. So I at that point, I was
just like, what the hell is going on? So I'm
kind of thinking to myself, like, screw this. I'm just
going to go down the street to this Chinese place
that I used to go to get some chicken up
(18:42):
broccoli and just like chill because this is this is
freaking weird now, So I get it. It's like three
point thirty in the afternoon or so, you know, again
late spring. It's a clear blue sky. I get in
my car and I started driving and within a few
(19:04):
hundred feet, ah, you know, I can see the road
in the sky above me, and I see a fireball
right in the center of the sky. And it had
a very like lava living quality to it, if I
can say that, or maybe like in the dream plasma like,
(19:25):
and I'm just I just think to myself, like, holy shit,
that's a UFO. And as soon as I think that,
it started to move through the sky like slowly and silently,
and it was not quite the size of a dime
but large, so it was either bigger probably or lower
in proximity. So I'm like super excited at this point
(19:48):
and kind of shocked, and I'm trying to chase it
and it just slowly moves out of you, and and
I was just like I was blown away, right, And
the whole thing that was the kind of the most
(20:09):
jarring to me. Like at first it was the UFO.
I was like, oh my god, you know, I saw
UFO and it was in broad daylight and it was
like right there and it responded to my thought. But
what you know, after I kind of settled down, I
was I just I was trying to make sense of
(20:32):
how how is it, you know, the seeing the UFO
and broad daylight. Like I can kind of rationalize that, right,
like people have UFO sightings, but what what I could
never understand or What didn't settle with me was that
or you know, hit me like a ton of bricks,
was like, how did this entire chain of events happen
(20:55):
that led up to the sighting that this rant you know,
someone of my coworkers mentioned something to me. Then I
have this you know, crazy dream in my old neighborhood
where I had seen UFOs as a kid, and then
another you know, my family member says something to me,
and then and then I have a broad daylight UFO sighting.
(21:18):
To me, that that whole series and and chain of
events was was way more absurd than than the the
UFO and Broad Daylight itself, right, because you can rationalize, oh,
maybe there's some kind of you know, unknown night non
human intelligence or or aliens visiting us whatever, like that's
like a sci fi idea, But the whole chain of
(21:41):
events to me was way more bizarre. So at this
point my my interests grew even more. Of course, But
the next kind of UFO encounter in this series of
events happened maybe to months later, so probably early summer,
(22:04):
and again in two thousand and seven, I ended up
getting into this car accident because I was working all
these overnight shifts and I was working seven days a week.
Actually at that time, I was working two jobs. And
I got into a car accident. And I didn't realize
(22:25):
this until much later, but it was actually in the
same exact area where I had the UFO sighting. So
I got in this car accident, and during this car accident,
I have what I call a trauma induced out of
body experience. It kind of simulated like a near death experience.
But I always call a trauma induced out of body
(22:47):
experience because I wasn't near death, but during the incident,
I you know, I'll just explain it. I thought I
was I had died basically, because the first thing that
happens after the accident is that I'm face to face
with what somebody can call like a light being, right,
(23:11):
this like entity of light, and I hear this like
crystalline angelic orchestra that is like heavenly. It had that
total kind of vibe to it. And I did the
light being or entity when I I had some kind
(23:33):
of like knowing to myself that this entity or this
being is not separate from me somehow. That's that's just
like the knowing or the feeling I had in this
experience and I heard and you know, I went to
c CD and all that, but I was not somebody
who was like religious in that sense. I was into
(23:55):
consciousness and stuff, but I was not like a Christian
or like I wasn't like a Catholic technically, but I
didn't go to church and whatnot at that point. But
I heard the the kind of message or again, it
was a whole feeling to it, and everything said God
(24:16):
is all there is, ever was, and ever will be.
And I had this weird transcendental experience from there where
I experienced time spherically with the past, the president, and
the future simultaneously. And then from there it's like my
(24:38):
reality reset and all of a sudden, I'm in the
air looking down at the accident. It's hard to describe
the series of events linearly, so I apologize for that.
But at that point I'm looking down at the accident,
I see the car, and I'm thinking to myself, oh,
(24:59):
so this is it. Like I was conscious and aware
and I'm looking down at the accident outside of my body,
apparently thinking that I had passed away. And you know,
I'm you know, that's that's the thought that I had.
And again I was conscious, just as I'm conscious now,
and I was even had reflective thinking to think I
(25:20):
had passed away. But I I was totally cool with it.
There was no sense of like mourning or regret or anything.
It was I was just totally cool with it. It
felt like everything was perfect. And after a few moments
(25:41):
of that, I'm I just zoomed back in my body
and then i wake up and I'm in the ambulance
and I'm like, oh my God, like I'm actually alive, right, yeah,
And so I, you know, I went to the hospital.
I stayed there for a day. They let me out
the next day, and I was just grateful to be alive,
(26:03):
like I was. I was really considering at that point,
like wow, I I could I could not be here
right now, right. I was just super grateful to be alive.
And I'm like, it felt like a miracle to to
to be in this existence basically, like to be alive
and to be a human and to be you know,
(26:24):
somewhat fortunate, I guess, And you know, I, you know,
after that trauma induced out of body experience, and I
don't know if it's because I hit my head in
the car accident or what But I I felt physically different,
like like people talk about like high high high vibrations
(26:47):
and all that. Like I had an energetic buzzing in
my body that was like a lading, right. It was.
It was like super positive, and you know, and again
I'm also feeling these like the feelings of gratefulness and whatnot.
So later on that evening, this is the day after
the accident, I'm just in my room, cleaning my room,
(27:12):
just grateful to be alive. I'm just like thinking like, oh,
I'm just so happy and grateful to be doing like
these menial tasks, right, the most simplest things is this
is like the greatest miracle. And as I'm contemplating that,
all of a sudden, I get what I would call
(27:36):
telepathic lock on of It's you know, there's like a voice,
but a feeling and a visual overlay of these two
Nordic entities they said come outside. But it's it's the
moment that that connection was made, you know, It's like
(28:01):
our consciousnesses were melded together or something. I knew what
was going to happen. It's and again my eyes were
opened and I'm looking in my room, but there was
this simultaneous overlay in my conscious awareness of these two entities,
(28:21):
and I got a whole download. And it's really hard
to describe this linearly because everything is happening simultaneously. Where
I'm receiving this download, I have this this telepathic lock
on with these non human intelligences and they, you know,
(28:43):
I at least felt that I could feel what they
were feeling and whatnot, and like our consciousnesses were merged
and there was no kind of there's no question what
they were communicating, at least in the ex experience. So
I when as soon as I heard the cut and
(29:06):
again there was a physical feeling sensation to this whole thing,
like a people talk about like a Kundalini experience or
Kundalini awakening. I had this. I was already buzzing from
the you know, after I had the trauma induced OBE.
But this whole thing was like a reactivation that like
multiplied it ten times over of like energy and Kundalini
(29:29):
and that kind of thing throughout my body. But as
soon as I heard and I felt this telepathic lock on,
I you know, I started going right outside and you know,
I get outside and there's some tree coverage, so I'm walking, oh,
you know, through so I can look up into the sky.
(29:51):
And before I can even look into the sky, I
hear like a low basy hum. It's like voom voom
and uh. And when when it's making that that kind
of base, I feel that, I feel it through my
through my body. And as soon as I make it
(30:12):
through and I can look up into the sky, I
see what looks like like a hexagonal craft that it
had lights, multicolor lights all around the edges, like bleeding
around the edges, and there was like a perfectly white
square light fixture in the center, and it was it
looked like a metal craft that was very like dark
(30:35):
metal gray, a very dark gray metal, and it, you know,
it was just slowly moving. And at this point I'm
just like, you know, I'm kind of blown away because
again I said, there's this download going on where I'm
(30:56):
getting what I can call impressions or communication from these
entities there where they're communicating that they are related to
us somehow and that you know, they're here with basically
good intentions and they want people to know about them,
which I'll cave youat a little bit later on and say,
I don't know it, you know, if if I'm interpreting that,
(31:19):
if they're manipulating my perception somehow, or if it's completely genuine.
During this experience, it felt very genuine, and I was
taking it at face value. But I so there's some
stairs down there. I went down the stairs to get
into my driveway so I can have a better view
of the sky and I get my driveway and this
thing's just still gliding over and it as I'm watching it,
(31:45):
it instantaneously de materializes or disappears and then reappears, you know,
maybe a thousand feet away over this man made lake
that was across the street from my house at the time.
And when it reappeared over there, I saw that there
were two other crafts that were exactly like identical to it,
(32:09):
with the lights going around it, and they're just like
moving around slowly in the sky. And again I have
this download thing going on this entire time, and this
energetic thing, and at this point, I'm I'm really thinking,
like did I hit my head so hard in that
accident that I'm imagining this, because this is just freaking up.
(32:30):
This is insane. So I was like, somebody has to
see this, right, So I ran into my house and
I had two family members there and I said, guys,
you have to you got to come outside. And they
said why and I said, they're here. They said, who's here?
(32:51):
I said, just come outside, and they come outside and
they come out into the driveway with me, and they
see these three crafts and for like twenty minutes there's
this display of sorts with there's you know, they're slowly
moving around and one of them would disappear and then
reappear over here, and again the lights are going around,
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and you know, we're all just shocked, right, And in
my mind, I'm thinking, like this is going to be
all over the news. This is like people are going
to know about the at the time, I'm thinking extraterrestrials,
Like people are going to know about the reality of
like aliens or extraterrestrials or visiting us. And this is it.
You know, I didn't have the term in two thousand
(33:32):
and seven so much, but I'm like, this is like disclosure, right,
this is it. And you know, apparently, you know the
next day there's no kind of announcement to that. But
the whole way that this kind of demonstration or incident
or event ended was that one of them disappeared, and
(33:54):
then there's two more, these two of these UFOs with
the lights going around them, and they're starting to head
towards each other and I'm like, holy crap. I was like,
they're gonna crash. And as soon as they made contact,
they just both vanished and that was it and it
was over. And I you know, I was like shock, basically.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Can you can you hold just one second? Because I've
heard the exact story from a gentleman named Albert Wayne.
Now Albert Wayne had an amazing UFO encounter. Wayne was
on his way to New York City from Connecticut, but
he told me about being young, not really young, but
(34:40):
you know, I guess perhaps preteen, I'm not really sure,
sitting on a porch with his parents and his uncle
and they saw these two UAP like coming right after
and these the UFOs or whatever, and they're coming right
at each other and just like you're exactly like you're explaining,
and exactly the same thing happened.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, And that I mean I I was. I was shocked.
And I actually have another friend who I ended up
doing CE five, but he's an experience or he saw
something exactly the same. I don't know why that is.
But again in my mind, I'm thinking that they're gonna crash.
(35:26):
Like I was thinking my head, holy shit, they're gonna crash.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's just what. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, And as soon as they made contact, they just
both deemed like vanished. That's it. So that those series
of events, and again I was having this download or
telepathic lock on and communication?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Can you explain? Sorry, can you explain what you mean?
So are you explaining by saying it felt like a
telepathic communication or what do you consider a download would be?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean, how do you what's the difference? Uh? I
say download because it's not just like like you you
hear a voice and you say, like a voice in
your head just says like hello or even come outside.
There was emotion and uh all all, I guess again
(36:24):
that communication there was like I guess, you know, the
mystic Rudolph Steiner or somebody had called that no, you know,
a packed thought for him. So it's there's there's just
like way more to it than than that. It's it's
like I say it download because it's like a ton
(36:45):
of there's this whole communication about how they're related to us.
And again that they're they're here with good intentions. They
want people to know about them. Again this and it's
it's really hard to expan And there was this feeling
of compassion and like a familial kind of connection, uh
(37:11):
in the whole thing. Right. It was a non nonverbal,
non auditory, kinesthetic emotional communication. Right that like, if I'm
talking to you right now, you can hear what I'm saying.
That's like one layer of communication. There were several layers
(37:34):
of communication going on here that seemed like a million
times superior to verbal language. It seems so direct, but
it also seemed natural.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If you if you've ever heard the Telepathy tapes, the
way that they describe telepathy and in different episodes of
the Telepathy Tapes is exactly what I had experienced with
with non human intelligence. Right. It's just it's not just
an auditory message. Hmmm, okay, all right, So that's yeah,
(38:11):
when I say download, that's that's kind of what I'm
trying to relay. But it's it's unless you've experienced it,
it's really hard to put into words. The best way
I can say it is, there's that there's again, these
several layers to the communication, that's just it's not just auditory, right,
It's there's like emotion and as if like there's like
(38:36):
an entire concept that's just downloaded into you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Now, do you have to have any siblings? Are you
an only child? Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I have two siblings.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Do they ever experience any of what you're experiencing at all?
If you don't be asking?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So what one of one of them was there for
this event and and and events that happened afterwards. Uh,
so they've seen this. One one of my siblings is
i'll just call them an intuitive one of my sisters. Ah.
(39:20):
But the other one she she doesn't really so we
it's like we think we're all different. But you know
again that they they've been there for they were there,
well one of them was there for this event, and uh,
for other events that happened afterwards.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And how about had anyone of your siblings felt as
though that they actually had some type of communication or
was it just witnessing the event itself?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
For them, it was it was just witnessing it. I
found out after this this event occurred, because obviously we
were talking about it, that my mom had had a
UFO sighting in Queens in the nineteen seventies, in the
late seventies. So I you know, again, I didn't know
(40:16):
that my whole life until after this event had occurred.
And she had told me that because I was we
were talking about the event.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Did she explain what her sighting was like?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
She said, it was a It was a red UFO
in Queens. It was just like a red orb. And she,
you know, she was familiar with the air traffic as
she lived in Queens, so she would see planes every
day right low and stuff, and she said this was
completely different and it was a red orb. And her
you know, her friend and her cousin were there and
(40:49):
they were all kind of spooked by it, right, they
were fascinated, but it was kind of like maybe because
it was the time, you know, the era in the seventies,
but they seemed I don't want to say scared, but
you know, a little cautious about it. But that that
was it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Mm hmm. Interesting. So why would you suppose so many
things seem to happen to you? I mean, it seems
like you've had a lot happen.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Right, and you know this gets a little bit too.
I guess what you can was you know, Ray hernandez
and and Ed Mitchell and had the Free the Foundation
for Research into Extraordinary Experiences. They did a study. I
know people will say it's flawed, and I understand that
it's not perfect, but it is an example and an
(41:43):
effort of what kind of research should be done. Is
that it's it's alarming that you know, it's somebody has
a UFO siting is one thing, and that's like pretty amazing,
but you know a number of people who have UFOs
I things also happen to have a near death experience, right,
(42:04):
and also end up having some kind of like poultrygeist
or SI experience. So my own impression is that after
having one of these experiences, whatever whichever one it is,
your aperture opens right, whether it's an out of body
experience or a near death experience or UFO encounter. I
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think that once you have one of these kind of experiences,
that your aperture and so what you can consider subtle
reality opens right, and just just knowing or having an
open mind to it, I think is more likely. For
it's happened for me personally, I mean I can't say
why why it happened to me. I mean that That's
(42:52):
one of the questions that drove me to really try
to figure out what's going on is because I don't
necessarily know exactly why, but you know, I didn't. I
didn't know until after doing research that it's it's common
for individuals who have a UFO and ketterine ND or
(43:15):
something akin to that have the other experiences.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
So just I want to thank everyone in chat and
this doctor not again. You can be a little kinder
to other people in there, otherwise I'm going to bump
you out just to let you know. So here's a
question for you. Here. Are you able to explain what
protocol is for yourself when you try to make contact
since it can be so different between person and person.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, and you know, I after those series of events
that occurred, I got really into C five and people
will know the C five protocol is one thing that
that's a whole I mean, maybe that's a whole nother
podcast really because I ended up going out with C
set and doctor Stephen Greer learning that and using what's
(44:10):
called the C five protocols. But after I think anybody
that goes out to do contact work well, eventually, if
they experiment enough, they're going to come to their own
practice or what works for them for me. Uh. You know,
(44:33):
there's there's a practice in Buddhism called meta or you
know even what heart the Heart Math Institute calls heart
rate variability, where you're getting into like a state of gratitude, uh,
and from from that state of gratitude and openness, you know,
(44:53):
setting the intention to have an interaction with UFOs or
non human intelligence, and you can use a visualization that
goes along with that of a UFO or your perceived
image of non human intelligence and inviting them for an encounter.
That's like a simplistic thing that works for me very good.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You know. I was my producer better half, and I
were with the Tedesco brothers out on Long Island and
they had all their equipment set up. And then I
was with doctor Kevin Taylor too. He was there as well,
and we were all down on the beach. We're sitting
in all these chairs and you could see way out
(45:37):
into the ocean, had a nice view of the sky
and everything. And I actually tried like the meditation or
whatever it was inviting, and so did Donna. We're both
sitting there just trying something. Come on in and all
of a sudden, I thought something happened ended up being
a boat way out there. But the day after, so
there was two days. That was a Friday and the Saturday.
(45:59):
They get all kinds of of footage of you know,
things that were very very interesting. I'll put it at that.
And yeah, there there's going to be some interesting news
about the Disco Brothers that's going to be coming out,
which is I'm really happy for them. And I can't
even tease it because I was sworn to secrecy, but
(46:20):
I can just say that the government is, I'll put
it this way, to get to give a little bit
of it, the government is thankful that they're doing what
they're doing, which is great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I might have been invited out to that event because
I'm over here in New York and there's an individual
who said, do you want to come out with them?
And you know, my work schedule, I wasn't able to
do it. But I'm excited to hear about that when
that comes out, and hopefully I actually have them on
engaging the phenomenon sometimes because that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yep, yep. They're they're very willing to be on be
on show, so sure, I can actually think that connection
with you. Here's another question for you. Do you think
that UAPs and supposed that aliens are what it's described
as angels and demons, not aliens visiting the earth tricking
humanity into giving up our souls. That's an interesting question comment.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, So, since I've had a variety of experiences, and
you know what I explained here, we have a short
time is like scratching the surface. I've had many, many, many,
many other experiences and including with the C five and
other stuff, and so I do have a bit of
(47:38):
an informed opinion on this, and I'll say that I
don't think it's just one thing. I don't think, you know,
all the accounts of angels are what we consider nowadays
as extraterrestrials or non human intelligence. I do think there
are a variety of beings right as to you know, uh,
(48:00):
doctor Diana Pasoka and even carlmel And and and Timothy
Taylor and American Cosmic we're talking about our hierarchy of beings. Uh.
I think that framework for hierarchy of beings is simplistic
but informal in the sense it gives people an idea
that there's a variety of intelligences and we're probably somewhere
(48:25):
in the middle, right.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Mm hmm. I wouldn't offer that high, but yes.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know what you mean. But I mean, if we're
if we're considering also like microbial life, and.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, you know, we're kind of like in.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Like Eastern traditions, they actually say it's it's extremely fortunate
to be a human because we experienced just the right
amount of suffering that we want to ascend to a
higher level of intelligence, whereas like if you're in the
angelic realm, there's no desire to move up. You're in
(49:01):
a more blissful reality.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I think we're just above the amiba. Really, that's how
I feel sometimes, yeah, by the way we treat each other.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
But yeah, true, it's true. I know.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
So how many years have you run your show.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
So engaging the phenomenon. I created my channel in like
twenty eighteen. I started doing formal interviews in twenty twenty one.
But I mean I was I was talking with like
Richard Dolan back in like two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
and even back then, I was interviewing people, but I
was doing it privately, you know, I was I was
doing private interviews and meeting with experiencers and C five
(49:38):
field workers. And I did that for many years and
pretty intensely my I didn't have kids then, and I,
you know, I didn't have my job, wasn't as involved,
and I worked closer to home. So I was basically
doing this stuff like pretty hardcore back then. And so
I started my show kind of laid on, but by
(50:02):
that point I was already pretty heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
All right, So we get about five minutes, but I
want to go go back to your I believe you
said it seemed to be a hexagonal shape craft. Uh,
and then there was two other identical ones. Can we
go back to that sighting? And uh, if you could
just tell me approximately where where was that in compared
(50:26):
to where you live? Was that in New York?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yes, yes? And were there besides the people that witness
it with you? Do you know of other people did
it reporting it?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Or I looked at I was looking because we have
a local paper over here, and I was looking in
it like every week, and it never came up, and
there was never anything in like Channel twelve news about it.
So I don't I don't know if anybody else had
had seen it. But I again during the experience, in
my mind, I thought that everybody was seeing this stuff
(51:03):
that event. I just I didn't even think twice about
it because it was so obvious. So yeah, the the
I say hexagonal, But I also want to clarify the
the edges were rounded, so it's you know, there were
flat kind of edges to it, but there was never
(51:27):
like a sharp edge. It was all that like they
were like this, but it was rounded like you know,
it looked it looked like like a disc, right, that's
way like a wedge or however you want to say it.
But they the edges were rounded, not sharp.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Mm hmm. And did you how about sound? Did you
hear any sound from them at all?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
At the very beginning when the one because the win
it was above me, it was right above the trees,
and it was that it had It was less than
one hundred and twenty feet in the air at that point,
and it had a low base hum. And again when
it was when it had that basic hum, it was
like voom voom voom like that, I felt reverberating through
(52:18):
my body. But when once it dematerialized and when a
thousand feet away, there was no you couldn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
You didn't feel anything, did you any type of pressure
of any kind er.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I felt vibrations through my body, and again it was
a whole kundalini energetic thing. But also like the when
it was that closed, I felt a pulsing in my body.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah. There was someone on the show recently that said
that they had a like a telecommunication from some entity
of some kind and they felt it like it wasn't
like in the mind, he said, it was more like
an here.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I felt it throughout my entire body, throughout my entire body.
And that's what I was trying to explain about the telepathy.
It's not just an auditory thing. You can feel it emotionally.
You can feel it physically in your body, but also
like your field, if I can say that.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
And where the trees, it's a good question. Where the
trees moving at all?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I didn't. I didn't see them move, but my eyes
were not really looking at the trees. My focus and
attention was on the object, so I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
I understand, I don't, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Recollect hearing the trees moving from the craft or anything.
But I really don't know. Because I was just I
was really like, all my attention was on the object.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Right, And I totally get that. And what year would
you say this was?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
This was two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Two thousand and seven, so that's the same year I
had my sighting, by the way, you know, mine was
more towards the fall as strangest thing. Most people know
exactly the date and everything, and I know, I think
mine was either in October or November, but I'm not positive,
you know, And so I wish I had the exact date.
But I did look it up through mouf on to
(54:14):
see if there was any sightings in that area, and
there was in November, but they thought they saw more
of a like a cigar shaped situation. But I've also
heard people say that a disc at a distance looks
like a cigar. So I don't know, you know, perhaps
the same sighting it was. It would be awful hard
to tell at this point, right, Did you since you
(54:38):
had it like an interest at that time, did you
consider reporting it? I?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
I didn't. I didn't consider reporting it. I first, I
you know, I'm maybe it's my generation as a millennial,
but I just like my thing about you know, like
authority organizations and stuff is not not my my pathway
even I you know, you know, for better or worse.
(55:07):
And this is not to knock anybody, but I was
never in to move on per se. Just again, maybe
it's it's a generational thing, but my thinking about like
or you know, big organizations like that is never like
in you know, and it didn't appeal to me.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, I understand. I just say, okay, all right, well, hey,
thanks so much so your your YouTube channel is engaging
in the phenomenon and it's linked down in the show
notes below and in the text below. So I want
to thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me again. You know, podcast
UFO is a legendary amongst the you know UFO research crowd.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh thanks so much. That's very nicey to say. All right,
you take care now, and hopefully we'll see in Pine
Bush one year.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm like an hour away.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah all right, all right, take care, Yeah, all right,
all right, everyone, So next Tuesday, it's going to be
myself UFO Jack I'm pretty sure he's gonna be there,
and Peter Robbins and possibly another guest talking about the
Exeter UFO incident and the following Thursday is going to
be Jean and Natalia Sticko. They're going to be talking
(56:26):
about Soviet documents related to UFOs and it's going to
be an interesting show. So thank you so much and
remember to keep your eyes to this. Hey,
Hellowen, Welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis, your host
and excited to have another Thursday night show here. I
have James I and Dolly on tonight. I listened to
him on another podcast and he has quite a story
and so we're gonna be talking with him in just
a minute, just a few things here. Next week on Tuesday,
(00:47):
it might be myself Jack UFO Jack who helps me
out with YouTube and all that, Peter Robbins possibly another guest.
We're going to be talking about the Exeter UFO incident.
Fascinating case if you've ever looked into that. So I'm
going to be talking about that. I'm going to be
speaking at the conference the following Sunday. After that, and
(01:10):
as I mentioned before, we're going to be out in Sedona,
and well before that, we're going to be up at
shag Harbor. I'm going to be the EMC there again
this year, up at Shag Harbor, Nova, Scotia, And that's
the first few days of October. I think it's the
third through the fifth of October. And then we're going
to be out in Sedona at Travis Walton's fiftieth anniversary
(01:34):
of his UFO encounter, and that event is going to
be October seventeenth through twentieth. A lot of people know.
I do believe it was November fifth when the incident
actually happened. So ten years ago I had contacted Travis
and I said, you know, for his fortieth they were
actually in Snowflake where the incident happened, and I got
(01:57):
Travis a satellite because the phone don't he said, the
phones won't come in there. So everyone was meeting at
the event and Alejandro Rojas was there and I called him.
I actually got through, so he had signal and so
I go where you know, the show's starting here, where's Travis?
Is he there? He's always running late. So so Travis
(02:20):
shows up and he forgot the satellite phone. It was
expensive to rent that satellite phone for he forgot it. Luckily,
the phone that Alejandro had on him was working, had
enough signal and we pulled it off. It worked. But
this year it's not going to be held in a Snowflake.
It's going to be in Sedona, which if you've ever
(02:40):
been there, If you have not been there, I should
say I say that it's a place to visit in
the country. There's a lot of people that talk about
unusual things that happened there. But other than that, you know,
it's such a beautiful area. So Ron James lives there.
I'll be visiting with him and several others. But that's
enough for me. I'm gonna bring James idolably in right now.
(03:04):
How did I do with your name? James?
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Perfect?
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (03:08):
And Doli if you're if you're super Italian, you can
say yan Doli? But is the way right?
Speaker 1 (03:16):
All right? All right, so welcome to the show. So
you actually do a show yourself called Engaging in the Phenomenon.
As you can see you have it right up here.
So what I know you had things happen in your life.
Is that what made you interested in actually starting this
year channel and all that because of the things that
happened or did you have an interest before things happened?
(03:39):
I should ask you how young you were?
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Right? Yeah? Well, first of all, yeah, it's an honor
to be on your show. You know, I've been watching
your show for years, and you know, I remember you
had like Christopher Bloodsoe on before he was like well known,
you know, and you did.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Yeah, I had him back in the nine two thousand
and twelve. I had him on right right when.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I think it was around the time that that show aired,
but people still weren't picking up on his his stuff
back then. But yeah, for me, I guess you can
call me an experience or uh, I don't. I don't
so much like labels and to say, so, oh, this
person's an experience or this other person's a non experience,
(04:21):
or we're you know, we're human beings.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
And some people just happened to be tuned into a
particular you know, their aperture might be more open or
something instigates an event. But for me, I was having
a high strangers event since I was young, So you know,
for me, it started off with entity encounters and those
(04:46):
entities I don't generally assume or or even back then,
I never associated them with with like a UFO intelligence
per se, because they were shadow type entity, but they
had a light scintillation to them, but they were highly
telepathic and if it happened more than a half dozen times,
(05:08):
it was frightening. When I was young, I was awake
and lucid and scared, to be honest, and I had
had a body experiences and that was when I was
very young, and so you know, going on from there,
I had, you know, periodic UFO sightings when I was
a kid outside I I was fascinated by them, and
(05:34):
so I was always interested in in UFOs and metaphysics.
I never found it to be something strange. There was
always something fascinating. And you know, coincidentally, I live right
in the Hudson Valley where the Hudson Valley ufolways wave occurred.
And you know, I was born during the Hudson Value
UFO wave. You know, if that's any constellation.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Well, have you ever checked to see if you're a
hybrid or not?
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Just you know, Harry Nolan, I feel run the DNA
test then you know, even if you got the result,
it'd be classified.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Hey, I got to tell you when I was Yes,
when I was out in uh, I was at Pine Bush.
I don't know, maybe three or four years ago. I
talked to someone who now lives in Las Vegas, but
her and her family lived in you know, the Pine
Bush area, and so I started talking to the daughter.
(06:30):
This is a this is a woman who ran my
Facebook page for seven or eight years. Every day she'd
posts them. She was really very helpful and by the
way that jobs available as a volunteer basis in particular.
But uh so, so she was posting all the time,
and so I got to talk to her, you know,
(06:51):
because I remember she said she was in Pine Bush
and I said, anything weird happened. She goes, let me
get my daughter. So her daughter gets on the phone,
and she said that they were outside and chairs like
lawn chairs and things like that, and there was like
this high grass around this area where there was like
a dirt area to park in, and so she's like
walking and she says this. This sounds nuts to people
(07:14):
when you say this, but she said there was a
being just like staring at her, and you know, the
big eyes, like the typical gray it sounded like. And
then it just vanished in the grass and scared the
heck out of her. And but there's just it seems
like an area where there's a lot of things that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
Yeah, and you know there's a lot over here, you know,
whether it's like people say, it's a it's a vortex
center area. But also, I mean, right, I don't want
to dox myself, but I live very close to Indian Point,
you know, so the UFO is and nukes. Thing is,
you know, it's nuclear powered. So and yeah, cam Smith
(07:54):
right over here in West Point, so there's there's a
lot over here.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Right right, and yeah. Well, and but the stories were
that they would just all people would just gathering their
beach chairs and just wait for them to come. I mean,
that's how often they happen. You know, during the summer.
Cars would pull over the side of the road and
they would just get their lawn chairs out, just sit
there and wait.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Yeah, and you know, there's the Pine Bush is kind
of like an infamous area, the whole Hudson Valley really
because yea, even even growing up, you know, I and
there's plenty of people who I spoke to about my
interest in UFOs. I'd ask them, uh and you know
(08:39):
a majority of people around here even still today, either
themselves personally or family members and people they knew closely
saw the UFO, the Hudson Valley UFO during that time
they in the eighties.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
M right, right, So let's talk a little bit more
about what you're appearances were. You said there were entities. Now,
how young were you when these things started happening.
Speaker 2 (09:09):
So that started when I was around five or six,
that that age frame, and again it was it was
the first time that it had ever happened. I had
seen them, and I was scared. And the first thing
I heard again telepathically was he can see us, and
(09:34):
and that freaked me out. And and then the being
there's three of them they collapsed into like an orbs
and came together. And if you ever saw the movie
The Knowing with Nicholas Cage, I know, yeah so that
that great movie. Yeah so, and and whoever made that movie,
(09:55):
I don't know if they did research or what, or
if they just made it up. But the whisp bring
that that phenomena where they the kids are hearing the
whispering it like auditorially, I heard something akin to that,
very similar to that, except mentally, I you know, I
(10:16):
heard and felt differently like it was very clear, like
no no question in my mind what the message was.
So uh, you know, when people talk about telepathy, it's
not just an auditory phenomenon. There's there's a physical and
or even like emotional kinesthetic components to it. So yeah, so,
(10:39):
And that happened more than a half dozen times spontaneously
or periodically, until about the time I was maybe eleven
or twelve was the last time it happened. So again,
by by that age, I was not There was no
confusion when I was that age of what's going on?
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Now? Do you try to tell your parents about it?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
I didn't. Maybe maybe the first time, but never. I
never made it an issue with them, right, so, because
you know, again when I was younger, I was more
frightened by it, and I probably hadn't mentioned it to them,
but I don't recall having like a whole conversation with
(11:26):
them about it.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
And did you ever talk to them later in life
about any of this stuff, any of your family?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Yeah, well, yeah, after that's kind of jumping ahead a little,
because I started having kind of in your face experiences
by the time of two thousand and seven, and at
that point I was twenty years old, and I had
brought it up because of these later experiences. So yeah,
(11:58):
later on I ended up bring all.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Right, well, let's let's go back to doing it chronologically,
how things happened with you, if you would.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Sure, So those original encounters, if you want to call
them experiences, those entities, I even still to this day,
I don't. I don't necessarily think that they were UFO
beings or occupants. It didn't because even after later on,
when I had UFO encounters, it was a different There
(12:29):
was a telepathic component, but it was it was a
completely different experience. So you know, from there, I you know,
I don't know why I had the experiences necessarily, but
for some reason I had those entity encounters. But then
I also had spontaneous out of body experiences where I
would be in between being awake and falling asleep and
(12:56):
there was no lapse in my consciousness. I was just
you know, like staring at the ceiling basically, and all
of a sudden, my perspective shifts and I'm looking down
at myself and and then all of a sudden, I'm like,
holy crap, that that's me. And then you know, bam,
I go back into my body and it's it's it
wasn't even just like an instantaneous thing. I saw myself
(13:18):
going back down and that happened a number of times spontaneously.
But you know, going on from there, I had UFO
sightings when I was younger, but for me, it was
not it wasn't I mean, at that age it wasn't
(13:40):
like this. It was exciting, but it wasn't like a
paradigm shifting thing in the sense where like I, you know,
I would try to take pictures of them with disposable cameras, uh,
and they never came out, and it was always like,
you know, late at night. At that age, I couldn't
really differentiate a satellite. I didn't have the kind of
(14:00):
awareness or context when that was going on at that time,
So I can't say for sure that those were UFOs,
but in my mind, at least at that time that
I was thinking they were UFOs and there were weird
lights moving around in the sky and I was following
them and they seemed to follow me, so that, you know,
after that I had there was maybe a dropping off.
(14:24):
And by the time I was eighteen years old, and
this is two thousand and five, I started getting really
involved in meditation. I was practicing Chinese martial arts, practicing chigong,
basic yoga, and meditation, and I was practicing it pretty seriously,
(14:45):
so I you know, and again this whole time I
was I was already interested in UFOs, and I was
doing UFO research, you know, reading books and such and
going on the internet. But then in two thousands, that's
when I had a series of really in your face
experiences that kind of brought me where I am today,
(15:07):
and that that also they had they seemed to happen sequentially,
and there were aspects of high strangeness, and that all
began in uh it was probably the late spring, and
again I'm twenty years old. I was working an overnight
(15:30):
shift and in the morning, I'm finishing up my shift
and one of my coworkers, who is you know, he's
in his fifties or sixties, super conservative guy. Anything we
talk about is like work related. He's telling me about
the union there and the union rules and this and
that because he's a delegate and you know, hey, how's
(15:52):
your family, that kind of thing. So all of a sudden,
like one morning, he says to me, hey, did you
hear about the UF in Mexico? And that it caught
me off guard because he didn't know that I had
any kind of interest in that. I never had brought
anything up like that at work or anything, so I
found it strange. But I said, no, I didn't hear
(16:16):
about it, and I really didn't, so I just kind
of went on with the rest of my shift and finished.
I thought it was weird. But I didn't think anything
of it afterwards, because you know, I thought it was
just a random question, like it maybe there was some
kind of thing in the news or something. So I
(16:37):
went home and I went to sleep. So I went
to sleep. By the time I got home and went
to sleep, it's probably like eight thirty am. I And
when I went to sleep, I became aware in a dream. Right,
So it's a dream. But I was aware in the dream.
(16:57):
And in the dream, I'm in my old neighborhood where
I had actually seen those UFOs, And I was driving
down in my old neighborhood and there was an again
this is a dream. There's an orange plasma electric UFO
(17:19):
like twenty twenty five feet above my car. And I mean,
I'm like, I'm driving and I'm like panicking. It was
kind of like, you know, again it's a dream. So
I'm like super reactive. I didn't think why, but I'm like,
oh my god, I have to get away from this thing.
So I'm in you know, this is going on for
two and a half minutes of me driving through my
(17:39):
old neighborhood trying to get away from this orange plasma
like UFO that had the UFO was like pulsing, and
I had felt the same pulsing in my body. But
you know, I snap out of that dream and I
wake up, and I'm just coming to like, you know,
(18:01):
I'm not really thinking much about the dream other than
that was kind of weird. But then one of my
family members comes in my house and they say, hey,
did you hear about the UFOs in Mexico? And that's
when I was like, that's when everything kind of clicked
(18:21):
for me, right, because I wasn't connecting any of this
until that point. So I at that point, I was
just like, what the hell is going on? So I'm
kind of thinking to myself, like, screw this. I'm just
going to go down the street to this Chinese place
that I used to go to get some chicken up
(18:42):
broccoli and just like chill because this is this is
freaking weird now, So I get it. It's like three
point thirty in the afternoon or so, you know, again
late spring. It's a clear blue sky. I get in
my car and I started driving and within a few
(19:04):
hundred feet, ah, you know, I can see the road
in the sky above me, and I see a fireball
right in the center of the sky. And it had
a very like lava living quality to it, if I
can say that, or maybe like in the dream plasma like,
(19:25):
and I'm just I just think to myself, like, holy shit,
that's a UFO. And as soon as I think that,
it started to move through the sky like slowly and silently,
and it was not quite the size of a dime
but large, so it was either bigger probably or lower
in proximity. So I'm like super excited at this point
(19:48):
and kind of shocked, and I'm trying to chase it
and it just slowly moves out of you, and and
I was just like I was blown away, right, And
the whole thing that was the kind of the most
(20:09):
jarring to me. Like at first it was the UFO.
I was like, oh my god, you know, I saw
UFO and it was in broad daylight and it was
like right there and it responded to my thought. But
what you know, after I kind of settled down, I
was I just I was trying to make sense of
(20:32):
how how is it, you know, the seeing the UFO
and broad daylight. Like I can kind of rationalize that, right,
like people have UFO sightings, but what what I could
never understand or What didn't settle with me was that
or you know, hit me like a ton of bricks,
was like, how did this entire chain of events happen
(20:55):
that led up to the sighting that this rant you know,
someone of my coworkers mentioned something to me. Then I
have this you know, crazy dream in my old neighborhood
where I had seen UFOs as a kid, and then
another you know, my family member says something to me,
and then and then I have a broad daylight UFO sighting.
(21:18):
To me, that that whole series and and chain of
events was was way more absurd than than the the
UFO and Broad Daylight itself, right, because you can rationalize, oh,
maybe there's some kind of you know, unknown night non
human intelligence or or aliens visiting us whatever, like that's
like a sci fi idea, But the whole chain of
(21:41):
events to me was way more bizarre. So at this
point my my interests grew even more. Of course, But
the next kind of UFO encounter in this series of
events happened maybe to months later, so probably early summer,
(22:04):
and again in two thousand and seven, I ended up
getting into this car accident because I was working all
these overnight shifts and I was working seven days a week.
Actually at that time, I was working two jobs. And
I got into a car accident. And I didn't realize
(22:25):
this until much later, but it was actually in the
same exact area where I had the UFO sighting. So
I got in this car accident, and during this car accident,
I have what I call a trauma induced out of
body experience. It kind of simulated like a near death experience.
But I always call a trauma induced out of body
(22:47):
experience because I wasn't near death, but during the incident,
I you know, I'll just explain it. I thought I
was I had died basically, because the first thing that
happens after the accident is that I'm face to face
with what somebody can call like a light being, right,
(23:11):
this like entity of light, and I hear this like
crystalline angelic orchestra that is like heavenly. It had that
total kind of vibe to it. And I did the
light being or entity when I I had some kind
(23:33):
of like knowing to myself that this entity or this
being is not separate from me somehow. That's that's just
like the knowing or the feeling I had in this
experience and I heard and you know, I went to
c CD and all that, but I was not somebody
who was like religious in that sense. I was into
(23:55):
consciousness and stuff, but I was not like a Christian
or like I wasn't like a Catholic technically, but I
didn't go to church and whatnot at that point. But
I heard the the kind of message or again, it
was a whole feeling to it, and everything said God
(24:16):
is all there is, ever was, and ever will be.
And I had this weird transcendental experience from there where
I experienced time spherically with the past, the president, and
the future simultaneously. And then from there it's like my
(24:38):
reality reset and all of a sudden, I'm in the
air looking down at the accident. It's hard to describe
the series of events linearly, so I apologize for that.
But at that point I'm looking down at the accident,
I see the car, and I'm thinking to myself, oh,
(24:59):
so this is it. Like I was conscious and aware
and I'm looking down at the accident outside of my body,
apparently thinking that I had passed away. And you know,
I'm you know, that's that's the thought that I had.
And again I was conscious, just as I'm conscious now,
and I was even had reflective thinking to think I
(25:20):
had passed away. But I I was totally cool with it.
There was no sense of like mourning or regret or anything.
It was I was just totally cool with it. It
felt like everything was perfect. And after a few moments
(25:41):
of that, I'm I just zoomed back in my body
and then i wake up and I'm in the ambulance
and I'm like, oh my God, like I'm actually alive, right, yeah,
And so I, you know, I went to the hospital.
I stayed there for a day. They let me out
the next day, and I was just grateful to be alive,
(26:03):
like I was. I was really considering at that point,
like wow, I I could I could not be here
right now, right. I was just super grateful to be alive.
And I'm like, it felt like a miracle to to
to be in this existence basically, like to be alive
and to be a human and to be you know,
(26:24):
somewhat fortunate, I guess, And you know, I, you know,
after that trauma induced out of body experience, and I
don't know if it's because I hit my head in
the car accident or what But I I felt physically different,
like like people talk about like high high high vibrations
(26:47):
and all that. Like I had an energetic buzzing in
my body that was like a lading, right. It was.
It was like super positive, and you know, and again
I'm also feeling these like the feelings of gratefulness and whatnot.
So later on that evening, this is the day after
the accident, I'm just in my room, cleaning my room,
(27:12):
just grateful to be alive. I'm just like thinking like, oh,
I'm just so happy and grateful to be doing like
these menial tasks, right, the most simplest things is this
is like the greatest miracle. And as I'm contemplating that,
all of a sudden, I get what I would call
(27:36):
telepathic lock on of It's you know, there's like a voice,
but a feeling and a visual overlay of these two
Nordic entities they said come outside. But it's it's the
moment that that connection was made, you know, It's like
(28:01):
our consciousnesses were melded together or something. I knew what
was going to happen. It's and again my eyes were
opened and I'm looking in my room, but there was
this simultaneous overlay in my conscious awareness of these two entities,
(28:21):
and I got a whole download. And it's really hard
to describe this linearly because everything is happening simultaneously. Where
I'm receiving this download, I have this this telepathic lock
on with these non human intelligences and they, you know,
(28:43):
I at least felt that I could feel what they
were feeling and whatnot, and like our consciousnesses were merged
and there was no kind of there's no question what
they were communicating, at least in the ex experience. So
I when as soon as I heard the cut and
(29:06):
again there was a physical feeling sensation to this whole thing,
like a people talk about like a Kundalini experience or
Kundalini awakening. I had this. I was already buzzing from
the you know, after I had the trauma induced OBE.
But this whole thing was like a reactivation that like
multiplied it ten times over of like energy and Kundalini
(29:29):
and that kind of thing throughout my body. But as
soon as I heard and I felt this telepathic lock on,
I you know, I started going right outside and you know,
I get outside and there's some tree coverage, so I'm walking, oh,
you know, through so I can look up into the sky.
(29:51):
And before I can even look into the sky, I
hear like a low basy hum. It's like voom voom
and uh. And when when it's making that that kind
of base, I feel that, I feel it through my
through my body. And as soon as I make it
(30:12):
through and I can look up into the sky, I
see what looks like like a hexagonal craft that it
had lights, multicolor lights all around the edges, like bleeding
around the edges, and there was like a perfectly white
square light fixture in the center, and it was it
looked like a metal craft that was very like dark
(30:35):
metal gray, a very dark gray metal, and it, you know,
it was just slowly moving. And at this point I'm
just like, you know, I'm kind of blown away because
again I said, there's this download going on where I'm
(30:56):
getting what I can call impressions or communication from these
entities there where they're communicating that they are related to
us somehow and that you know, they're here with basically
good intentions and they want people to know about them,
which I'll cave youat a little bit later on and say,
I don't know it, you know, if if I'm interpreting that,
(31:19):
if they're manipulating my perception somehow, or if it's completely genuine.
During this experience, it felt very genuine, and I was
taking it at face value. But I so there's some
stairs down there. I went down the stairs to get
into my driveway so I can have a better view
of the sky and I get my driveway and this
thing's just still gliding over and it as I'm watching it,
(31:45):
it instantaneously de materializes or disappears and then reappears, you know,
maybe a thousand feet away over this man made lake
that was across the street from my house at the time.
And when it reappeared over there, I saw that there
were two other crafts that were exactly like identical to it,
(32:09):
with the lights going around it, and they're just like
moving around slowly in the sky. And again I have
this download thing going on this entire time, and this
energetic thing, and at this point, I'm I'm really thinking,
like did I hit my head so hard in that
accident that I'm imagining this, because this is just freaking up.
(32:30):
This is insane. So I was like, somebody has to
see this, right, So I ran into my house and
I had two family members there and I said, guys,
you have to you got to come outside. And they
said why and I said, they're here. They said, who's here?
(32:51):
I said, just come outside, and they come outside and
they come out into the driveway with me, and they
see these three crafts and for like twenty minutes there's
this display of sorts with there's you know, they're slowly
moving around and one of them would disappear and then
reappear over here, and again the lights are going around,
(33:11):
and you know, we're all just shocked, right, And in
my mind, I'm thinking, like this is going to be
all over the news. This is like people are going
to know about the at the time, I'm thinking extraterrestrials,
Like people are going to know about the reality of
like aliens or extraterrestrials or visiting us. And this is it.
You know, I didn't have the term in two thousand
(33:32):
and seven so much, but I'm like, this is like disclosure, right,
this is it. And you know, apparently, you know the
next day there's no kind of announcement to that. But
the whole way that this kind of demonstration or incident
or event ended was that one of them disappeared, and
(33:54):
then there's two more, these two of these UFOs with
the lights going around them, and they're starting to head
towards each other and I'm like, holy crap. I was like,
they're gonna crash. And as soon as they made contact,
they just both vanished and that was it and it
was over. And I you know, I was like shock, basically.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
Can you can you hold just one second? Because I've
heard the exact story from a gentleman named Albert Wayne.
Now Albert Wayne had an amazing UFO encounter. Wayne was
on his way to New York City from Connecticut, but
he told me about being young, not really young, but
(34:40):
you know, I guess perhaps preteen, I'm not really sure,
sitting on a porch with his parents and his uncle
and they saw these two UAP like coming right after
and these the UFOs or whatever, and they're coming right
at each other and just like you're exactly like you're explaining,
and exactly the same thing happened.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Yeah, And that I mean I I was. I was shocked.
And I actually have another friend who I ended up
doing CE five, but he's an experience or he saw
something exactly the same. I don't know why that is.
But again in my mind, I'm thinking that they're gonna crash.
(35:26):
Like I was thinking my head, holy shit, they're gonna crash.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
That's just what. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, And as soon as they made contact, they just
both deemed like vanished. That's it. So that those series
of events, and again I was having this download or
telepathic lock on and communication?
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Can you explain? Sorry, can you explain what you mean?
So are you explaining by saying it felt like a
telepathic communication or what do you consider a download would be?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
I mean, how do you what's the difference? Uh? I
say download because it's not just like like you you
hear a voice and you say, like a voice in
your head just says like hello or even come outside.
There was emotion and uh all all, I guess again
(36:24):
that communication there was like I guess, you know, the
mystic Rudolph Steiner or somebody had called that no, you know,
a packed thought for him. So it's there's there's just
like way more to it than than that. It's it's
like I say it download because it's like a ton
(36:45):
of there's this whole communication about how they're related to us.
And again that they're they're here with good intentions. They
want people to know about them. Again this and it's
it's really hard to expan And there was this feeling
of compassion and like a familial kind of connection, uh
(37:11):
in the whole thing. Right. It was a non nonverbal,
non auditory, kinesthetic emotional communication. Right that like, if I'm
talking to you right now, you can hear what I'm saying.
That's like one layer of communication. There were several layers
(37:34):
of communication going on here that seemed like a million
times superior to verbal language. It seems so direct, but
it also seemed natural.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Right.
Speaker 2 (37:49):
If you if you've ever heard the Telepathy tapes, the
way that they describe telepathy and in different episodes of
the Telepathy Tapes is exactly what I had experienced with
with non human intelligence. Right. It's just it's not just
an auditory message. Hmmm, okay, all right, So that's yeah,
(38:11):
when I say download, that's that's kind of what I'm
trying to relay. But it's it's unless you've experienced it,
it's really hard to put into words. The best way
I can say it is, there's that there's again, these
several layers to the communication, that's just it's not just auditory, right,
It's there's like emotion and as if like there's like
(38:36):
an entire concept that's just downloaded into you.
Speaker 1 (38:42):
Now, do you have to have any siblings? Are you
an only child? Do you have siblings?
Speaker 2 (38:48):
I have two siblings.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
Do they ever experience any of what you're experiencing at all?
If you don't be asking?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
So what one of one of them was there for
this event and and and events that happened afterwards. Uh,
so they've seen this. One one of my siblings is
i'll just call them an intuitive one of my sisters. Ah.
(39:20):
But the other one she she doesn't really so we
it's like we think we're all different. But you know
again that they they've been there for they were there,
well one of them was there for this event, and uh,
for other events that happened afterwards.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
And how about had anyone of your siblings felt as
though that they actually had some type of communication or
was it just witnessing the event itself?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
For them, it was it was just witnessing it. I
found out after this this event occurred, because obviously we
were talking about it, that my mom had had a
UFO sighting in Queens in the nineteen seventies, in the
late seventies. So I you know, again, I didn't know
(40:16):
that my whole life until after this event had occurred.
And she had told me that because I was we
were talking about the event.
Speaker 1 (40:24):
Did she explain what her sighting was like?
Speaker 2 (40:27):
She said, it was a It was a red UFO
in Queens. It was just like a red orb. And she,
you know, she was familiar with the air traffic as
she lived in Queens, so she would see planes every
day right low and stuff, and she said this was
completely different and it was a red orb. And her
you know, her friend and her cousin were there and
(40:49):
they were all kind of spooked by it, right, they
were fascinated, but it was kind of like maybe because
it was the time, you know, the era in the seventies,
but they seemed I don't want to say scared, but
you know, a little cautious about it. But that that
was it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
Mm hmm. Interesting. So why would you suppose so many
things seem to happen to you? I mean, it seems
like you've had a lot happen.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
Right, and you know this gets a little bit too.
I guess what you can was you know, Ray hernandez
and and Ed Mitchell and had the Free the Foundation
for Research into Extraordinary Experiences. They did a study. I
know people will say it's flawed, and I understand that
it's not perfect, but it is an example and an
(41:43):
effort of what kind of research should be done. Is
that it's it's alarming that you know, it's somebody has
a UFO siting is one thing, and that's like pretty amazing,
but you know a number of people who have UFOs
I things also happen to have a near death experience, right,
(42:04):
and also end up having some kind of like poultrygeist
or SI experience. So my own impression is that after
having one of these experiences, whatever whichever one it is,
your aperture opens right, whether it's an out of body
experience or a near death experience or UFO encounter. I
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think that once you have one of these kind of experiences,
that your aperture and so what you can consider subtle
reality opens right, and just just knowing or having an
open mind to it, I think is more likely. For
it's happened for me personally, I mean I can't say
why why it happened to me. I mean that That's
(42:52):
one of the questions that drove me to really try
to figure out what's going on is because I don't
necessarily know exactly why, but you know, I didn't. I
didn't know until after doing research that it's it's common
for individuals who have a UFO and ketterine ND or
(43:15):
something akin to that have the other experiences.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
So just I want to thank everyone in chat and
this doctor not again. You can be a little kinder
to other people in there, otherwise I'm going to bump
you out just to let you know. So here's a
question for you. Here. Are you able to explain what
protocol is for yourself when you try to make contact
since it can be so different between person and person.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
Yeah, and you know, I after those series of events
that occurred, I got really into C five and people
will know the C five protocol is one thing that
that's a whole I mean, maybe that's a whole nother
podcast really because I ended up going out with C
set and doctor Stephen Greer learning that and using what's
(44:10):
called the C five protocols. But after I think anybody
that goes out to do contact work well, eventually, if
they experiment enough, they're going to come to their own
practice or what works for them for me. Uh. You know,
(44:33):
there's there's a practice in Buddhism called meta or you
know even what heart the Heart Math Institute calls heart
rate variability, where you're getting into like a state of gratitude, uh,
and from from that state of gratitude and openness, you know,
(44:53):
setting the intention to have an interaction with UFOs or
non human intelligence, and you can use a visualization that
goes along with that of a UFO or your perceived
image of non human intelligence and inviting them for an encounter.
That's like a simplistic thing that works for me very good.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
You know. I was my producer better half, and I
were with the Tedesco brothers out on Long Island and
they had all their equipment set up. And then I
was with doctor Kevin Taylor too. He was there as well,
and we were all down on the beach. We're sitting
in all these chairs and you could see way out
(45:37):
into the ocean, had a nice view of the sky
and everything. And I actually tried like the meditation or
whatever it was inviting, and so did Donna. We're both
sitting there just trying something. Come on in and all
of a sudden, I thought something happened ended up being
a boat way out there. But the day after, so
there was two days. That was a Friday and the Saturday.
(45:59):
They get all kinds of of footage of you know,
things that were very very interesting. I'll put it at that.
And yeah, there there's going to be some interesting news
about the Disco Brothers that's going to be coming out,
which is I'm really happy for them. And I can't
even tease it because I was sworn to secrecy, but
(46:20):
I can just say that the government is, I'll put
it this way, to get to give a little bit
of it, the government is thankful that they're doing what
they're doing, which is great. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:32):
I might have been invited out to that event because
I'm over here in New York and there's an individual
who said, do you want to come out with them?
And you know, my work schedule, I wasn't able to
do it. But I'm excited to hear about that when
that comes out, and hopefully I actually have them on
engaging the phenomenon sometimes because that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:54):
Yep, yep. They're they're very willing to be on be
on show, so sure, I can actually think that connection
with you. Here's another question for you. Do you think
that UAPs and supposed that aliens are what it's described
as angels and demons, not aliens visiting the earth tricking
humanity into giving up our souls. That's an interesting question comment.
Speaker 2 (47:16):
Yeah, So, since I've had a variety of experiences, and
you know what I explained here, we have a short
time is like scratching the surface. I've had many, many, many,
many other experiences and including with the C five and
other stuff, and so I do have a bit of
(47:38):
an informed opinion on this, and I'll say that I
don't think it's just one thing. I don't think, you know,
all the accounts of angels are what we consider nowadays
as extraterrestrials or non human intelligence. I do think there
are a variety of beings right as to you know, uh,
(48:00):
doctor Diana Pasoka and even carlmel And and and Timothy
Taylor and American Cosmic we're talking about our hierarchy of beings. Uh.
I think that framework for hierarchy of beings is simplistic
but informal in the sense it gives people an idea
that there's a variety of intelligences and we're probably somewhere
(48:25):
in the middle, right.
Speaker 1 (48:26):
Mm hmm. I wouldn't offer that high, but yes.
Speaker 2 (48:30):
I know what you mean. But I mean, if we're
if we're considering also like microbial life, and.
Speaker 1 (48:36):
Yeah, you know, we're kind of like in.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
Like Eastern traditions, they actually say it's it's extremely fortunate
to be a human because we experienced just the right
amount of suffering that we want to ascend to a
higher level of intelligence, whereas like if you're in the
angelic realm, there's no desire to move up. You're in
(49:01):
a more blissful reality.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
I think we're just above the amiba. Really, that's how
I feel sometimes, yeah, by the way we treat each other.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
But yeah, true, it's true. I know.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
So how many years have you run your show.
Speaker 2 (49:16):
So engaging the phenomenon. I created my channel in like
twenty eighteen. I started doing formal interviews in twenty twenty one.
But I mean I was I was talking with like
Richard Dolan back in like two thousand and nine, twenty ten,
and even back then, I was interviewing people, but I
was doing it privately, you know, I was I was
doing private interviews and meeting with experiencers and C five
(49:38):
field workers. And I did that for many years and
pretty intensely my I didn't have kids then, and I,
you know, I didn't have my job, wasn't as involved,
and I worked closer to home. So I was basically
doing this stuff like pretty hardcore back then. And so
I started my show kind of laid on, but by
(50:02):
that point I was already pretty heavily involved.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
All right, So we get about five minutes, but I
want to go go back to your I believe you
said it seemed to be a hexagonal shape craft. Uh,
and then there was two other identical ones. Can we
go back to that sighting? And uh, if you could
just tell me approximately where where was that in compared
(50:26):
to where you live? Was that in New York?
Speaker 2 (50:31):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Yes, yes? And were there besides the people that witness
it with you? Do you know of other people did
it reporting it?
Speaker 2 (50:39):
Or I looked at I was looking because we have
a local paper over here, and I was looking in
it like every week, and it never came up, and
there was never anything in like Channel twelve news about it.
So I don't I don't know if anybody else had
had seen it. But I again during the experience, in
my mind, I thought that everybody was seeing this stuff
(51:03):
that event. I just I didn't even think twice about
it because it was so obvious. So yeah, the the
I say hexagonal, But I also want to clarify the
the edges were rounded, so it's you know, there were
flat kind of edges to it, but there was never
(51:27):
like a sharp edge. It was all that like they
were like this, but it was rounded like you know,
it looked it looked like like a disc, right, that's
way like a wedge or however you want to say it.
But they the edges were rounded, not sharp.
Speaker 1 (51:45):
Mm hmm. And did you how about sound? Did you
hear any sound from them at all?
Speaker 2 (51:51):
At the very beginning when the one because the win
it was above me, it was right above the trees,
and it was that it had It was less than
one hundred and twenty feet in the air at that point,
and it had a low base hum. And again when
it was when it had that basic hum, it was
like voom voom voom like that, I felt reverberating through
(52:18):
my body. But when once it dematerialized and when a
thousand feet away, there was no you couldn't hear it.
Speaker 1 (52:27):
You didn't feel anything, did you any type of pressure
of any kind er.
Speaker 2 (52:30):
I felt vibrations through my body, and again it was
a whole kundalini energetic thing. But also like the when
it was that closed, I felt a pulsing in my body.
Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah. There was someone on the show recently that said
that they had a like a telecommunication from some entity
of some kind and they felt it like it wasn't
like in the mind, he said, it was more like
an here.
Speaker 2 (52:58):
I felt it throughout my entire body, throughout my entire body.
And that's what I was trying to explain about the telepathy.
It's not just an auditory thing. You can feel it emotionally.
You can feel it physically in your body, but also
like your field, if I can say that.
Speaker 1 (53:18):
And where the trees, it's a good question. Where the
trees moving at all?
Speaker 2 (53:22):
I didn't. I didn't see them move, but my eyes
were not really looking at the trees. My focus and
attention was on the object, so I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
I understand, I don't, but I don't.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Recollect hearing the trees moving from the craft or anything.
But I really don't know. Because I was just I
was really like, all my attention was on the object.
Speaker 1 (53:46):
Right, And I totally get that. And what year would
you say this was?
Speaker 2 (53:50):
This was two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
Two thousand and seven, so that's the same year I
had my sighting, by the way, you know, mine was
more towards the fall as strangest thing. Most people know
exactly the date and everything, and I know, I think
mine was either in October or November, but I'm not positive,
you know, And so I wish I had the exact date.
But I did look it up through mouf on to
(54:14):
see if there was any sightings in that area, and
there was in November, but they thought they saw more
of a like a cigar shaped situation. But I've also
heard people say that a disc at a distance looks
like a cigar. So I don't know, you know, perhaps
the same sighting it was. It would be awful hard
to tell at this point, right, Did you since you
(54:38):
had it like an interest at that time, did you
consider reporting it? I?
Speaker 2 (54:45):
I didn't. I didn't consider reporting it. I first, I
you know, I'm maybe it's my generation as a millennial,
but I just like my thing about you know, like
authority organizations and stuff is not not my my pathway
even I you know, you know, for better or worse.
(55:07):
And this is not to knock anybody, but I was
never in to move on per se. Just again, maybe
it's it's a generational thing, but my thinking about like
or you know, big organizations like that is never like
in you know, and it didn't appeal to me.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
Yeah, I understand. I just say, okay, all right, well, hey,
thanks so much so your your YouTube channel is engaging
in the phenomenon and it's linked down in the show
notes below and in the text below. So I want
to thank you so much for coming on the show.
Speaker 2 (55:45):
Yeah, thanks, thanks for having me again. You know, podcast
UFO is a legendary amongst the you know UFO research crowd.
Speaker 1 (55:53):
Oh thanks so much. That's very nicey to say. All right,
you take care now, and hopefully we'll see in Pine
Bush one year.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, I'm like an hour away.
Speaker 1 (56:03):
Yeah all right, all right, take care, Yeah, all right,
all right, everyone, So next Tuesday, it's going to be
myself UFO Jack I'm pretty sure he's gonna be there,
and Peter Robbins and possibly another guest talking about the
Exeter UFO incident and the following Thursday is going to
be Jean and Natalia Sticko. They're going to be talking
(56:26):
about Soviet documents related to UFOs and it's going to
be an interesting show. So thank you so much and
remember to keep your eyes to this. Hey,
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