August 26, 2025 • 55 mins
On September 3, 1965, a series of extraordinary UFO encounters shook the quiet town of Exeter, New Hampshire. Witnessed by multiple people—including two police officers—the events became one of the most compelling and well-documented UFO cases in American history. In this special episode, host Martin Willis is joined by Peter Robbins, long-time UFO researcher and co-author of Nightmare in Exeter, and UFO Jack (Who had his own Exeter, NH UFO incident), to revisit the dramatic details of the Exeter Incident. Together, they’ll break down the sequence of sightings, the credibility of the witnesses, and the enduring impact of this case nearly 60 years later. We’ll also touch on the Exeter UFO Festival, a community event that continues to honor the mystery, bringing researchers, experiencers, and the public together in the very town where it all began. https://exeterufofestival.org
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,
and we have a different type of show for you tonight.
For one thing, we're going to be discussing the Exeter
UFO incident that happened September third, nineteen sixty five. We're
going to go into that a bit. Then we're going
to be talking a little bit about the event that's
(00:47):
coming up this weekend and Exeter they have their yearly
UFO Festival. I'm going to be one of these speakers there.
Peter Robins MC's at he's been involved in that in years,
for years. He's also going to be with us tonight
and talking about that. I also have a UFO Jack
who helps me out. He lives local here and actually
(01:08):
in exit of New Hampshire, and he's going to be
talking about a UFO citing that he had. He did
share that in one of my shows not that long ago,
but I thought it was fitting to have him go
over that again tonight. And so just a couple of things.
This coming Thursday at eight pm, we have Gene and
(01:29):
Natalia Sticko and they're going to be talking about Soviet
documents that were found in her father's estate basically these
documents and a lot of them appear to be like
a UFO possibly reverse engineering type of things, all in Russian.
It's very very interesting. So check that out. Thursday night.
(01:50):
This is our first show on the time slot that
is nine pm that I have switched the Tuesday show,
so the Thursday stay at eight pm, this show is
now at nine pm. It was supposed to I was
supposed to do that next week. However, I had a
conflict today, so it was either run a rerun or
(02:11):
switched to the nine pm slot, which I did. And
I do apologize for those people that cannot make this
time slot. You've been with me so long. I hope
that most of you can make this new time slot,
and I hope it's convenient for a lot of people.
There was a number of reasons I did that. If
you would ask me the reason why I did it,
(02:35):
I might as well say the live YouTube attendance has
dropped considerably, and this slot is the prime slot for
YouTube viewership, and so that's basically why I did switch.
And I hope a lot of people can slide over
and make this time slot work for them. And thank
(02:57):
you all for being here tonight, and those of you
in chat, so we'll be taking questions in chat. And
so also next week we have Mitch Randall and he
is going to be talking about that's at also the
nine o'clock time on Tuesday. He's going to be talking
about UFO detection radar system. Basically, it's an affordable system
(03:19):
that can be spread out all over the United States
and worldwide, possibly affordable something that people can kind of
grassroots type of thing for UFO detection, and that should
be interesting. And then the following Thursday, we have Katie Paige.
She's going to be talking about well thanks like, for instance,
(03:41):
the first mutilation of any animal is Snippy the horse.
I don't know if anyone's looked into that, but that
goes way back. We're going to be talking about that,
the Colorado ranch where she grew up. The thing's high strangeness.
UFO is all that. So that's next week with Katie Page.
And so right now I'm going to bring in our guests.
(04:02):
We have Peter Robbins. Welcome, Peter, I'm a longtime notesee. Yeah,
that's right, just last night, and we have UFO Jack Jack,
so as first time YouTube have met and of course
Jack will be there this weekend. Jack's lives right in Exeter,
New Hampshire, and so, Peter, since you were running late.
(04:23):
You're very busy with this whole thing coming up, and
we didn't have much time to talk. I mean, this
is the time we're talking about the show right now,
live on the air. So I'd like to go over
the first of all, just do a little history on
what happened. But first of all, i'd like Jack, I
hope you don't mind, I'm putting you right on the
spot right now. Jack lives in Exeter, and the only
(04:46):
reason Jack is here tonight and he helps me with
my YouTube channel, does a wonderful job. But the reason
Jack is here tonight and even paying attention to this
topic is because of something that happened. Was it two
years ago, Jack? A year and a half ago?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, back back in twenty twenty two, October twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, so you got the floor jacket. We want to
hear your what happened in please down Exeter?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So I got pretty deep into this topic after I
had my own personal sighting. It was probably about like
two hundred feet away from me. Once it was all
said and done, probably about four to five minute encounter
back in October twenty twenty two down in Exeter, New Hampshire.
I was just getting you know, my local jug food
(05:31):
for the night at the local pizza shop in town.
And I'm standing outside of the pizza shop with my
pizza box in one hand and my car keys in
the other, getting ready to go home, and I look
up at the tree line and there's this glowing red
like orb or light red and white and it's just
bobbing along the tree line, probably from from my left
(05:52):
to right. And immediately I got like super excited. Like
growing up as a kid, I was a sci fi kid,
and you know, I thought, oh man, this is my
genuine UFO moment. Is this like actually happening. I was
like super excited, and I thought, I go back inside
the pizza shop and tell the pizza guys, hey, like,
there's a UFO outside.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You got to go check this out.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And in my mind at the time, I was thinking,
I'm gonna totally miss my moment here and it's going
to be gone if I go tell them that it's here.
And also I was kind of worried that they were
going to think I was kind of like a kook
or some kind of whack on late on a Saturday night,
like telling them there's a UFO outside. Not it's not
typically your normal thing that you tell people that you don't.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Know, especially late on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah. So I got in my car and I was like,
I gotta follow this thing because it was It blinked
out for a little bit and then it reappeared further
down the tree line. So I got in my car,
probably followed it around two to three blocks down the
road over in it I found it over It was
hovering over this person's house right in this like small
(06:57):
residential area in a like in Exeter. It's probably a
town of like seventeen thousand people, so nothing really happens here.
And it was pretty quiet, and I'm just I get
out of my car again. I felt really uncomfortable that
I was standing outside of this person's house at night alone,
just like staring up above their roof at this glowing
red light. And it was completely silent. There was no
(07:20):
buzzing sound or like a rotor running or anything. It
was probably the light itself was I'd say for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It was small.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was like half the size of your standard sedan,
like a car, just floating there and I'm standing there
across the street, and in the blink of an eye,
it literally just like shut off, like a light switch
in a bedroom. And at the time, I hadn't done
any research in the UFOs, and that moment, I literally
(07:49):
thought it disappeared. I thought it vanished out of thin air.
And it was darker than the night sky behind it,
and I thought I was seeing spot in my vision
because this thing was so bright. It was like looking
up at the sun during the daytime, and you get
you know, you always get spots.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
In your vision.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But so I just kind of and it's really kind
of a boring story. At the end, I just go
home and have dinner, and then I've spent the past
three months trying to look up what kind of like
kid toy that could have been floating around in somebody's
backyard over someone's house, and I couldn't find anything, and
I didn't I was so excited in the moment I
(08:28):
didn't get my phone to take a picture or videotape
it on camera. Yeah, I was just I don't know.
All I wanted to do in that moment was just look.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
At this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was like four minutes long. The whole encounter wasn't
wasn't It was a one time thing. And ever since then,
it I just I can't forget about it. And I've
been researching the topic ever since, looking for answers, and
it's wound me all the way to hear on Martin's
wonderful show and the content that he produces, and it
was just really fascinating. And when you're so close to
(09:00):
the phenomena, it really like rocks you to your to
your core in the sense like whoa like this in
your mind you're thinking this doesn't belong here, yet it's
there and you're looking at it and it's real, and
then you realize, like all the lies that have been
going on when you once you start researching the topic
and the disinformation and why it's such a secret. I
(09:20):
have no idea why. But once you see it, like
you know it's real, you can't convince and I'm not
here to convince anybody that it's real or fake. But
once you have your own sighting and it's close within
like proximity to you, and it's within two hundred five
hundred feet of you, like that's going to change the
way you look at things. And it was pretty surreal,
(09:41):
but yeah, that's the story.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
In a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It was your classic like red and white fulsating orb,
which is pretty common in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, it's funny there it is exiting Hampshire another red
you know, red light red orb whatever you know.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Jack listening, you give that account, which I appreciated, and
I'll bet a lot of other viewers. You're emblematic of
so many of us that went through that door in
one way or another, that had that what I would
call a BCAD experience and that you measure forward and
(10:21):
backward from in your life. Most of those in our
lives are more conventional weddings, funerals at the top of
the list, that kind of thing. But there's no other
way to really describe it than the way you did.
People can come into the subject, of course, through intellectual
curiosity and be dedicated to the rest of their lives
(10:43):
and never see anything. Other people have more experiences than
they would like, and then there are those of us
that have an experience that, like it or not, helps
to define our lives and often helps shape them. Peter
also just one more than your impulse to look first
(11:06):
for like a kind of toy or a real world,
everyday solution, rather than just oh my god, I saw
flying saucer from That's a very healthy impulse and one
that's crucial to any serious investigator.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Very good points, Peter. I remember talking to you the
first time. I think it was twenty eleven or twelve
or something like that, but I do remember you talking
about your sighting. I know this is going to get
off exitter a little bit, but I'd like, there's a
couple of reasons, like I'd like to hear your sighting again.
But I believe I was almost going to talk to you.
(11:47):
I don't know, maybe four or five months ago, after
I spoke to someone who had a sightings in Queens
that sounded very much like yours in the seventies. So
but yeah, I think it was three craft there were
silver something like that, five, but it was.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I'd be glad to give you a somewhat abbreviated version,
but just to say first, four years ago, a good
friend and close colleague, Richard M. Delon, who had been
fascinated by the story, especially with regard to my sister's experience.
(12:29):
I was staying over here for a couple of days,
and we decided he just wanted to do a documentary
on him, and you can find it on YouTube. It's
called I Think the UFO Abduction, the nineteen sixty one
abduction of Helen Robbins, and it covers a great deal
of background material, more than a lot of interviews I've
(12:51):
done for us. For me, it began on a perfectly
beautiful early summer, late spring, mid morning, when my sister
and I were out in front of the house that
we grew up in on Long Island, goofing around as
(13:12):
kids do. But in a village, in a small town,
there are those times where there's not only nothing going
on around you know, your neighborhood, but there's nothing going on.
There's no kids playing on the street, there's no cars
going by, there's no ice cream truck or neighbors. It's
(13:33):
just quiet. And I caught something out of my right
periphle vision and either said Helen or look and coming
at a quite a rate of speed and then simply stopping,
like a freeze frame in a film. We're five silvery
white elliptical objects, like holding a dinner plate, you know,
(13:56):
distance in a very precise the upside down formation, and
they were close enough that there was no ambiguity. It
wasn't a cloud in the sky. They were metallic, but
not shiny, and each one of them had detailing around
(14:21):
the edge that years later when we first discussed this,
because that memory was absolutely suppressed for me, and one
that she never shared, although it remained in her consciousness
that we could only read like windows on a commercial airplane,
you know, at a distance. And I looked and looked
(14:44):
and looked with the understanding I had zero interest in
this subject. I had lots of other things going on
as a twelve year old, and I was about as
sophisticated as the actor Jerry Mathers in the classic Leave
It to be vera television series, Very small town Happy.
Growing up, I knew about flying saucers what kid didn't,
(15:05):
but only in the context of wonderful B movies I
would see on Saturday afternoon with some of my friends
at the local movie theater. I guess I intuited the
adult message that yes, they're real in the movies, but
and it never occurred to me otherwise until there they were,
and I went through Martin. What I came to call
(15:29):
a checklist reaction that I've documented. I don't know how
many people have interviewed over the decades. You probably have two.
You're minding your business, living your life, and you look
up or what have you, and there it is, or
there they are, and you go through a checklist in
your mind of what these aren't not planes, kites, blimps, balloons, helicopters,
(15:52):
reflections from the ground, bottle airplanes, strain shaped clouds, flotsam
and jetsam. What am I looking at? And it was
the first moment in my entire life as a kid
where I realized I was looking at something that I
(16:14):
knew didn't exist. And as a result, I was becoming
more and more anxious if this were true, and trying
to tell myself in fact and regressive hypnosis. The poignan
phrase that came up at the end trying to hold
on to something was secret government test plane. There must
(16:35):
be some kind of secret government test plane. But planes
have wings, in planes have propellers or jet engines, they
have tails. These were round, and there they were. At
a certain point, I became so anxious that I literally
(16:55):
turned on my heels and headed for the front door
of the house to run in to tell her mom
what was going on outside, and did just that, but
never made it quite to the front door. I was
knocked out, passed out. A series of circumstances happened that
I went unconscious for period of time, and when I
(17:19):
came to, they were gone. My sister was gone, and
I had a scrape on my arm right there because
I came kind of skidding into the walkway from the
front lawn kind of thing. And fourteen year old kid
back in the day, your first impulse, what a scab
(17:40):
that is going to make red Badger carriage boys. You know,
we don't think like that quite anymore, but we did
at that age. Go in the house intuitively, just head
up the stairs. Both of my sisters shared a room
at the top of the stairs.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Whoops, I think we're awesome. Yeah we lost some He
should come back, but yeah, I think he's let me
see if I get back.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
So my cam goes off.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right, Well try I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I still look the same as I did moments ago.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I can ye.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I saw her a private moment, go downstairs, walk through
the living room, dining room, and I'm speaking now from
clear recall and hypnotic regressions with Bud Hopkins and a
great New York City police detective particularly trained in regressive
hypnosis for criminal investigation and early mentor of mine. And
(18:45):
there's my mom in right profile at the stove, I
think making grilled cheese sandwiches for us for lunch. And
I said, quote unquote, Mom, Helen, and I just saw
some things in the sky over the Parker's house that
looked like flying sausage from the movies. Now, if you
are a parent, or if you are a kid whoever
had a sighting and told your parent, and their reaction
(19:08):
was understandably to deal with their own anxiety and not
want to trouble you. Oh honey, it just looked like that,
or you thought, or or not a good thing to
say to a kid. And my mom turned and looked
at me. Years later, when we talked about this, she
didn't remember it, but her impulse was extraordinary. She simply
looked at me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And huh, oh, wow, we're having some trouble here. I'm
not there. It is you back, Peter, I am audio
yet yeah was anymore?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
He just looked at me with a look that no
like looking at an adult. She didn't feel the need
to make me wrong or to rationalize, and then she
went back to cooking with a serious look on her face.
But parenthetically, for those that question aspects of regressive hypnosis,
(20:10):
and I think it's really all a matter of who
your practitioner is and what their intentions are, rather than
the discipline itself. But either Bought or Pete at that
point said do you know what time it is? And
I said, no, is there a clock in the room, Yes,
where's the clock on the wall up to the right
behind my mom? Look at the clock. Okay, what time
(20:30):
is it? Twenty after twelve? Anyway, it troubled me tremendously,
so much so that we didn't talk about it when
Helen asked me later that afternoon if I wanted to.
And people do it all the time with much more
conventional and often much more tragic kind of trauma, they
(20:53):
put it out of their mind. They are able to
repress the memory, and I did.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And your sister did as well. I remember right.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, Helen actually remembered a tremendous amount of it. But
even as a twelve year old, realized this is not
a cool thing to talk about, and so had it
just be part of her inner life and was ready
to speak with me about it when my memory came
roaring back through a series of circumstances one afternoon, a
(21:24):
little more than fourteen years later, and I was overwhelmed
when it did. My first thought was, I'm having some
kind of mental aberration, because there's no way a rational
person could have forgotten what I'm remembering now. It was
the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life.
And kind of crashed and burned on that for a
(21:46):
while and pulled myself together, washed my face, had a
cup of tea, and say, now what And I knew
that now what?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It was?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Called my sister because I had a witness, and I
did asked very specifically. It was a good time to talk,
and thankfully, before blurting it out, had realized I could
do that and she would say yes or no, but
I would never really know the nuances. So I just said,
(22:14):
remembered something I need to know if you remembered, and
I set the scene talking about the weather, the time
of day, the time of year, about how old we
weren't just got me off mid sentence and told me
what I remembered, which was great, except she wasn't trure
whether it was five or six, which we worked out
very quickly the next day, when I had already done
(22:34):
my first painting and she saw it was obviously an
odd number. And I think that episode in my life,
had it been confined to that, would have been enough
to make me one of those millions of people who
had a lifelong interest in the subject, who had other
career goals and followed them but stayed in touch, you know,
(22:57):
with what was happening, read the books, went to conferences.
But then Helen said, either there's more and I don't
know how you're going to feel about it, or words
to that effect. This in fifty years ago, nineteen seventy five,
when there wasn't anything called UFO abduction research, when I
(23:18):
didn't know anybody who was into this subject. I didn't
know there were you whole conferences. I just knew this
was crazy. But she described to me these perfect and
kind of bubbles of memory that I had never heard
anything like in my entire life, But now I've heard
(23:39):
countless times, often close to word for word, a memory
of being walked through a curved metal hallway by a
number of beings. In this being fifteen years before the
term gray emerged and I asked her what they looked like,
and her description was small doctors with big heads and
(24:01):
big black eyes who talked to me. In my head,
there was one very tall one and the next thing
she knows, she's on the table, twelve year old girl
naked and just that thing that also accompanies experiencers experiences
(24:22):
of a very lackadaisic latitude when you should be freaking
the hell out of Oh, isn't this interesting? Essentially, which
was how I felt for the few seconds before I
went down. And it wasn't until in her head hearing
these classical things you've seen us before, you'll see us again,
(24:43):
or we've seen you before, we'll see you again. You're special,
we love you, we will not harm you. That we
will not harm you came into her head. She was
experiencing pain in the general genital area from whatever they
were doing, so she emerged from it. No fan of them.
(25:05):
But I thought, at that moment, my sister must be
going crazy. I thought that for a matter of seconds
before I caught myself saying ah, But twelve seconds ago
it was perfectly okay. For five silvery white UFO objects
to be hanging over the Parker's house across the street,
listen to what your sister's saying, And that not only
(25:28):
altered the trajectory of my life, it completely well, it
effectively derailed the only career that I had pursued or
wanted from the time I was a kid, and that
I was really starting to do. And I resented that
I didn't go into the work for love of the work.
I was obsessed. I needed to know what happened to
(25:50):
my sister, and ultimately that obsession really took over my life,
and not in a good way. I ultimately was for
enough to find a therapist who was just the right
person for me and who helped me normalize what I
had experienced. He happened to also be the former first
(26:14):
assistant for the last eleven years in the life of
doctor Wilhelm Reich, and he had had a sighting with
Reich and then after the fact, and doctor Baker helped
me to become the person that I am, and I
think deal with a great deal of the stress that
(26:36):
comes your way doing this work professionally, especially when you
get deeply involved in certain case work, and for me,
especially back then, I was not only a novice. I
didn't know this world that anybody now, you know, just
go on the internet and you're connected to a zillian
people and authorities and personnalities and documentaries and conferences. I
(27:06):
was on my own and was not quick to make
friends in the field. You're all crazy, right, But that's
how I got rolling.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wow. Yeah, I've forgotten a lot of that, and so
thank you, Peter. So let's let's get back to Exeter.
We have this conference coming up. I'm excited about it.
I've gone a number of times over the years. And
and how many years has this been for them? Are
(27:41):
you aware of that? Peter?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Well, I had thought it was the ten anniversary, but
it was going on for several years earlier, but under
independent management so to speak, and folks who were like
a lot of conference organizers and why not doing to
run into his business and they weren't able to, And
(28:03):
thankfully the Exeter chapter of the Kawanis International took it over.
Without them, it would have died. And they connected with
a resident UFO scholar, Dean Merchant, a great guy and
remarkable personality who really was the founder, a co founder,
(28:28):
and I came in about ten years ago. I think
in the first wave of the Kuwanas organized events, and
what impressed me the most, and you know their conferences
and festivals and they all have a somewhat different character,
was that this one was not only nonprofit, but that
(28:53):
all expenses, all money is made beyond your normal operating expenses,
everything from rending the hall to you know, feeding us
lunch two days, to residences and transportation that kind of thing.
Everything went to local children's services in the Greater Exeter area.
(29:14):
And there's nothing going on in the world of you know,
UFO conferences that's like that paranormal as far as I know, right,
And every year we've done somewhat better. And last year
we cleared thirty five thousand dollars that went right to them.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That's a wonderful out of Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. So, Peter,
had you ever I want to talk historically to people
who are unfamiliar with you know, Norman having his UFO
sighting back in nineteen sixty five. Are you up on
that or you want us to talk about We didn't
get a chance to speak ahead of the show, so you.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Are probably more knowledgeable off the cuff on that case than.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I had I had heard about it.
Now I'm talking about before I got into the topic.
I had heard about it, but I didn't know much
about it. But anyway, basically in the nutshell and Jack,
you've looked a little bit into this too, oh there's Peter. Yeah,
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but you know, basically it was September second, and then
it went into the third of nineteen sixty five and
Norman Musk how do you say is the Muscarello he
was hitchhiking from. Yeah, he's hiking back from Amesbury up
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into the Exeter area. This actually happened in Kensington. A
friend of mine actually lives in Kensington. It's right, you know,
right there. But so he was basically walking for a
long long time. It's about a twelve twelve mile walk
from his girlfriend's house to where he was going, and
so it was early in the morning basically. But Jack, well,
(31:05):
there was earlier than that. There was a woman. Do
you know that part of it where there was a
woman with She had pulled over and said that there
was some type of UFO following her.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
One of the two police officers that reported to Norman
sighting prior to Norman going to the police station that day.
The only reason why the way it reads is the
one of the police officers believed Norman was because earlier,
I think that same day or either the day before,
there was some lady traveling from Epping, New Hampshire to
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Exeter on Route one oh one and she was just
like pulled over on the side of the road late
at night, and for whatever reason, this police officer pulled
over just to see if she was okay, and she
was going on about this story about how this giant
red light was following her in her car and she
was freaking out, and he just kind of chalked it
up to like she was a total cup and left
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her there and went back on patrol, and then he
got called back to Exeter because Norman reported seeing something
similar a little bit further down the way, a little
further south of town of Exeter. So I thought that
was interesting. And the other thing, New Martin is on
the I think on the thirteenth and the seventeenth. You
had sent me a clip earlier today from a different
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YouTube channel is on Cinema I think the name is,
but he had some great audio of the police law
enforcement testimony. But there was another incident that on the seventeenth,
on the sixteenth and seventeenth of September, so a couple
weeks after the third, where there was a craft scene
off a Route eighty eight, I think a different side
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of town. So like there were just, yeah, at least
three different sidings. It was totally wild.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, that's right. It was a woman that was involved
in that one inner car and this thing had also
red lights, but it had I believe white lights as well.
So Norman's basically walking three o'clock in the morning basically,
and this big, huge red ufo comes up over by.
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He goes into this field and it comes right over
this farmhouse and it's the size of the house itself.
So he runs up to the door, knocks on the door,
not knowing that no one was home. Basically, do I
have that right? Yes? Yeah, And so then he runs
out to the road and a person he waves his
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arms in front of a car. That person pulls over.
They happen to know Norman, and so they give him
a ride to the police station. So then he goes
to the police station. He was a picture of him
back then goes to the police station and basically they
go out him himself, and the police officer whose name
(33:56):
I'm sorry, right, don't I can't pull it right off
the up in my head Bertrand. So Bertrand goes to
the site with him, basically, and he has this big
flashlight and he's you know, they're looking around, and then
the other police officer happens to stop and gets out
on foot, and all of a sudden they hear Norman
(34:21):
say here it comes, look out, it's coming. So they
all witnesses. So the two police officers plus Norman see
this red ufo down in the field. It starts to
come toward them and then it's zigs and zags and
then slowly drifts off to the east. So you think
that would be the end of the story, but it's not.
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So there's P's Air Force Base. I grew up in
the area, so I could actually from my I lived
on top of a hill in a house that we
could see P's Air Force Base. River we're in Elliott
mainbit could see Peace. So someone visited him, Norman from
Peace and burst right into the room where I was
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in and say do not talk about this. And then Peter,
you must have heard all the different ways they tried
to pass this office a hoax in different in explanations.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And also we need to remember this was sixty years
ago and normally the military police sort of code of
behavior regarding you know, a fellow officer, and this subject
is at best a lot of good natured ribbing. At worst,
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how dare you embarrass us by taking this seriously? Serving
police officers, like commercial pilots, immediately risked their careers by
making career a report like this, but they stood by
it thankfully. Among all the coverage, a investigative writer named
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John Fuller not only covered the story for part of
the media but allegorically and actually he wrote the book
on it. It's one of the best standalone investigations for
folks that want to take the subject more seriously. Nobody
has been able to really take this down. Also, he
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was the one who first chronicled the Hills experiences in
Interrupted Journey Right anyway, That really helped to make the
incident at Exeter the extremely respected, well known, and well
documented story and account that it is. With these you know,
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you can call it everyday heroism. You're not risking your life,
but you're risking your career the way that the community
is going to deal with your family. It's a lot,
and that's how this conference festival began. But viewers should
know it is, in the best sense of the word,
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a very split event. There is this conference that Martin
and I will be speaking at and other speakers, and Martin,
it was funny I had forgotten you hadn't spoken there
because I remember you there so many times over the years.
And it's a first class presentation as well as a
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series of presentations, as well as a wonderful American event.
You are in an historic town hall with a wrap
around balcony, a building that Abraham Lincoln spoke in, in
an absolutely picture beautiful New England town that served as
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the capital of the United States during the earliest days
of the country. And everybody you can imagine is in
that audience. The other thing that's going on is a festival.
It celebrating I guess you could say generally how deeply
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the subjects of extraterrestrials UFOs, these areas of speculation and
science fiction have penetrated into not just Western culture, everything
from children's cartoons to some of the hugest earning films
(38:36):
to advertising, and it's just become part of the culture.
This is a way, I guess folks celebrate it in
part and for anyone that is understandably a bit anxious
about who we are not alone, it's a way to
lighten it up. There is a really fascinating education tour
(39:01):
out to the locations in question. All of the speakers,
from the best known to the not best known, we
are all accessible to anybody throughout the weekend, and we
have an area set up for sales and book signing,
hanging out with you guys, taking pictures. There's lots of
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really good places to eat in the area, and for
me as a New Yorker, it immediately throws me into
another area of history. The architecture on Main Street is great.
And we're here but coming and going.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, growing up here. You know, I'm in
the area of imports with Newypshire, which is twenty minutes away.
You know it is. It's a historic, historic area and
wonderful area and yeah, it's it's I'm excited to be
able to speak so close to home. I mean, my
son's coming, he's bringing some of his friends and it's
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great and all that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So, yeah, there are people that I recognize in the
audience that I were first there in ten years ago
when I started, who were ready regulars and questions and
answer sessions for me especially gratifying. These are informed folks.
And for years we had Dear Paul Eno and his
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son then doing their radio show as a part of
the event on Sunday live Radio Old Fashioned their show
CBS affiliate out of Rhode Island. And with Paul gone
and Ben not continuing to do that, we do have
an up and coming blogger who will be doing a
(40:56):
live radio show as his presentation. Oh yeah, yeah, so
something that you might well do in.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Future, Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
But it's if you've never been to a so called
UFO conference or festival before, this is a good one
to start on. If you are a veteran, you don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Miss this one. And for me, it's become again more
a family thing working with these people year after year
and again knowing everybody gets paid, but we make money
for this extraordinarily important cause, the kids in this community,
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and you know, it's a win win situation.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I have to I have to show you a picture.
This is actually in my presentation just because of a
blurb about Stanton. But this is a great picture that
I took an Exeter. That's great, you know, it's just
stand is approachable. These girls came in with her and
he goes, oh why not?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Totally yeah, totally yep.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But the most lingering thing at this point, who knows
what's going to happen next in the House of Representative
or who knows the impact of the whistleblower and testimony.
What it comes down to in terms of what we
know and being our three dimensional, corporeal selves here in
the real world is the people you meet, the friendships
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that you make, the experiences that you have, the locations
that you get to visit, even if it's taking a
day or two off from your normal life to go
to Exit in New Hampshire to experience this thing, that's
something you can bank on always. And no matter how
this whole subject pans out and how much of it
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we're hanging around to see, time will tell. But it's
an event where you can learn a lot and really
have a great time.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah yep, so we I just wanted to finish up
a little more about the incident back in nineteen sixty
five because I think It's fascinating the fact that P's
Air Force Base actually had a press conference trying to
explain away the situation, and it had to do with
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a plane that was showing lit advertising you know that
did that did it was in the area, but of
course not then. It hadn't flown for several days. And besides,
someone made a really good point exactly why would you
have an advertising plane at three o'clock in the morning
in a field over Exeter, New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
That's a rough one to respond to.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, that's very and I love you know. I had
talked to Linda Zimmermann before about you know, her animal reactions,
and this was one of the cases where there was
an animal reaction, and I talked to someone that actually
went there and Exeter and went to that farm and
saw the stalls and they were all still. They never
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fixed those doors. They were kicked by the horses at
night and all, you know, damage pretty bad. So there
were the dogs were barking the horses and the thing
made no sound at all, as you always hear, no
sound that they could hear, but obviously it affected the
animals and that was probably through sound. Possibly.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I had that experience in an unforgettable way. Once and
only ones I remembered well enough to tell you. It
was the night of February eighteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in Suffolk, England,
not far from RIF Bentwater's air base, and it was
a UFO event that was going on when we finally
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walked away from it after an hour and a half
because we exhausted from jet lag having just come in
the day before.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
You know, what, can you say? Well, for us, we
were hearing these very uncomfortable screams coming from this farming area,
and I even was able to capture them on my
micro cassette recorder at the time. But yeah, and animal
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reactions are as really verifiable aspect of this as so
many other kinds of evidence.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yes, right, I remember watching Jay Allen Heinez talk about rabbits.
I don't know if you ever heard that. That's sorry
about all the rabbits. They just I think they liked
froze or they thought they were asleep, and then when
the UFO event happened, they just went back to being normal.
So yeah, there's many, many great, great things. But yeah,
(46:06):
I mean you're right about the bus tour. It took
that last year for the first time. Oh good to
where that happens and someone has a UFO planted in
their yard. I think it's year round, right, they once
it looks like a stationary thing. But yeah, so Peter,
you've been doing this ten years, you've been coming. So
that's that's really amazing that that long.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
This year, it's going to work out. It's almost four
hundred miles each way, and I'm not young and crazy
enough to try to do that in the day. So
I stop overnight in Albany with a friend who has
been a speaker there, wonderful antiquarian scholar named Laird Scranton
and all. You're staying with him and his wife. And
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in fact, Thursday we'll I'll be driving from Ithaca to Albany.
Is my birthday, and you know, be on the road
for a good part of it. But it is a
Chinese dinner on my birthday in Albany, and in lieu
of having to put me up at a hotel, the
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conference committee is delighted to pay for this birthday dinner.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Awesome, that's great. Well, it might be up coming birthday.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
In it for the money and the food.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know Peter, if you've looked
into other UFO events here in this area. But you know,
like Jack was talking about, there was one also a
few days later, like less than you know, a couple
of weeks or about a couple of weeks later that
happened on Route eighty eight. Route eighty eight goes from
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goes right into Hampton Falls and into Root one and
all that. But it seems like I remember there was
talk even though I wasn't in two UFOs as a
kid too much or whatever, I had like a passing interest.
But I do remember hearing people talking like there was
a lot going on, and that would be I just
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you know, date myself, but that would be back in
the you know, the late sixties where I was hearing
a lot in early seventies where there was a lot
going on in the area. And you know, this is
just a your opinion, Why do you suppose that, say,
this thing shows up and then it shows up again
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and a couple of days later. I mean, first of all,
there's a lot of questions that that brings up, like
how far away did that thing come from? Is it
another dimension? Is it another solar system? Is it another
you know, what is it, But why in the area,
and then why show up in the area, Like for instance,
it was in that field when Norman saw it, he
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goes away for a couple of hours, he comes back,
it comes back to that field, and then you know,
like earlier that day, it's in one area, and then
it may come back two weeks later in that area.
I mean, this is it's always been a puzzle since
I've looked at this why things like that happened?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Boy, I'll tell you Martin, this is one of the
sixty four thousand dollars questions, as they would have used
to say, we can only make educated speculation, and everything
you've touched on, you know, given that we're dealing with
the unknown here to a good degree is viable. I
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had first years ago when I learned about areas that
had higher incidences of activity or certain kinds of activity
or a certain pattern to it, that there was a
reason for that. They understood. But like you know, playing
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with a cat with your hand under a blanket, we
don't know what their motivations or just ires are. Is
a window area or is there something going on perhaps
in terms of military technology that they're picking up that
they want to check out, is there's some kind of
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time or dimensional opening. I know that I know so little.
After fifty years of study, I know more than most people,
and I can ask better questions. But when we and
we all have colleagues and no people in the field
(50:39):
who ultimately champion a certain theory or a certain belief
or said of them and codify them. And once you
do that, you essentially create a little brief system that
people will approach and may have quite a bit of
fans or in these days you know, followers or subscribers
(51:02):
and become a real personality who knows maybe even making
a living living the UFO lifestyle or it's you know,
I mean, it's that's part of the way the world
is now.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yes, you a lot of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Again, going right back to the Exeter UFO conference and festival,
Like so many events where you have this dynamic in
the best sense of the word, you're in a bell jar.
There is an invisible shield that's put over the whole
thing for the weekend of the day. And what that
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denotes is that after you've heard of talk about one
of the wildest things you've ever heard, you can turn
to the person next to you and start to talk
about it as naturally as you would about the weather,
on a subject that you wouldn't even discuss with your husband, wife, girlfriend,
boyfriend or best friend. And that there's a free exchange
of ideas you may contact with anybody you want. Basically,
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it's also a living sociology class. I often think of
these events like that. They're in a mister spock eyebrow
raising way, fascinating. I will also say, as far as
the fun part and the popular culture part, we live
in a world where almost any thought, product or idea
(52:27):
is kind of weaponized into a line of items for sale.
And I have to say the T shirts, the hats,
the posters, all of that stuff that has come out
of Exeter is a cut above designs, the way they manufactured,
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and the fun of knowing that, yeah, I just bought
this hat, but this much of this money is a
sizeable amount is going for this amazing charity. I wonder
how much they're gonna make this year. Also, the sociology
of looking at Main Street where you know this again,
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this wonderful area circa eighteen sixty, eighteen eighty, right out
of Curryer and Knives. You can't I won't say pro
cat because I love cats, but you can't look anywhere
without seeing inflatable green aliens, which I am somewhat am
bivoloed about. But you know, cut people slack on a.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thing like that.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's fun and goofy and makes for great photographs.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
And kind of gives kids, and you know, kids kind
of think it's fun too. So here's a question here,
and we have to wrap up here in just a minute,
But so did they try to keep the police quiet?
And the answer is yes, there was that too directly.
I can't remember which officer it was, but he was
(53:57):
told not let's not talk about this, let's not let
it escalate, you know, that type of thing. So unfortunately,
these things, you know, did happen a lot, and when
these events happened, this type of thing did happen. I
don't know today well we've got less in a minute.
(54:19):
I can't really go into it. But I just wonder
if today, if something this exact same thing happened, how
much more open we would be as a society than
we were back then. All things to ponder. But thank you,
gentlemen both so much. It's been a real pleasure having
you on and so I'll see you both in a
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Absolutely looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Right, all right everyone, So next week we will be
back again with Mitch Randall. Well, coming up we have
Gene and Natalia Stick. Oh they're gonna be talking about
Soviet documents. And then next Tuesday Mitch Randall. Next Thursday
we have Katie Page. Thank you all very much. Remember
to keep your eyes to the sky. Good night, h
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin Willis your host,
and we have a different type of show for you tonight.
For one thing, we're going to be discussing the Exeter
UFO incident that happened September third, nineteen sixty five. We're
going to go into that a bit. Then we're going
to be talking a little bit about the event that's
(00:47):
coming up this weekend and Exeter they have their yearly
UFO Festival. I'm going to be one of these speakers there.
Peter Robins MC's at he's been involved in that in years,
for years. He's also going to be with us tonight
and talking about that. I also have a UFO Jack
who helps me out. He lives local here and actually
(01:08):
in exit of New Hampshire, and he's going to be
talking about a UFO citing that he had. He did
share that in one of my shows not that long ago,
but I thought it was fitting to have him go
over that again tonight. And so just a couple of things.
This coming Thursday at eight pm, we have Gene and
(01:29):
Natalia Sticko and they're going to be talking about Soviet
documents that were found in her father's estate basically these
documents and a lot of them appear to be like
a UFO possibly reverse engineering type of things, all in Russian.
It's very very interesting. So check that out. Thursday night.
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This is our first show on the time slot that
is nine pm that I have switched the Tuesday show,
so the Thursday stay at eight pm, this show is
now at nine pm. It was supposed to I was
supposed to do that next week. However, I had a
conflict today, so it was either run a rerun or
(02:11):
switched to the nine pm slot, which I did. And
I do apologize for those people that cannot make this
time slot. You've been with me so long. I hope
that most of you can make this new time slot,
and I hope it's convenient for a lot of people.
There was a number of reasons I did that. If
you would ask me the reason why I did it,
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I might as well say the live YouTube attendance has
dropped considerably, and this slot is the prime slot for
YouTube viewership, and so that's basically why I did switch.
And I hope a lot of people can slide over
and make this time slot work for them. And thank
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you all for being here tonight, and those of you
in chat, so we'll be taking questions in chat. And
so also next week we have Mitch Randall and he
is going to be talking about that's at also the
nine o'clock time on Tuesday. He's going to be talking
about UFO detection radar system. Basically, it's an affordable system
(03:19):
that can be spread out all over the United States
and worldwide, possibly affordable something that people can kind of
grassroots type of thing for UFO detection, and that should
be interesting. And then the following Thursday, we have Katie Paige.
She's going to be talking about well thanks like, for instance,
(03:41):
the first mutilation of any animal is Snippy the horse.
I don't know if anyone's looked into that, but that
goes way back. We're going to be talking about that,
the Colorado ranch where she grew up. The thing's high strangeness.
UFO is all that. So that's next week with Katie Page.
And so right now I'm going to bring in our guests.
(04:02):
We have Peter Robbins. Welcome, Peter, I'm a longtime notesee. Yeah,
that's right, just last night, and we have UFO Jack Jack,
so as first time YouTube have met and of course
Jack will be there this weekend. Jack's lives right in Exeter,
New Hampshire, and so, Peter, since you were running late.
(04:23):
You're very busy with this whole thing coming up, and
we didn't have much time to talk. I mean, this
is the time we're talking about the show right now,
live on the air. So I'd like to go over
the first of all, just do a little history on
what happened. But first of all, i'd like Jack, I
hope you don't mind, I'm putting you right on the
spot right now. Jack lives in Exeter, and the only
(04:46):
reason Jack is here tonight and he helps me with
my YouTube channel, does a wonderful job. But the reason
Jack is here tonight and even paying attention to this
topic is because of something that happened. Was it two
years ago, Jack? A year and a half ago?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Yeah, back back in twenty twenty two, October twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yeah, so you got the floor jacket. We want to
hear your what happened in please down Exeter?
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
So I got pretty deep into this topic after I
had my own personal sighting. It was probably about like
two hundred feet away from me. Once it was all
said and done, probably about four to five minute encounter
back in October twenty twenty two down in Exeter, New Hampshire.
I was just getting you know, my local jug food
(05:31):
for the night at the local pizza shop in town.
And I'm standing outside of the pizza shop with my
pizza box in one hand and my car keys in
the other, getting ready to go home, and I look
up at the tree line and there's this glowing red
like orb or light red and white and it's just
bobbing along the tree line, probably from from my left
(05:52):
to right. And immediately I got like super excited. Like
growing up as a kid, I was a sci fi kid,
and you know, I thought, oh man, this is my
genuine UFO moment. Is this like actually happening. I was
like super excited, and I thought, I go back inside
the pizza shop and tell the pizza guys, hey, like,
there's a UFO outside.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
You got to go check this out.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
And in my mind at the time, I was thinking,
I'm gonna totally miss my moment here and it's going
to be gone if I go tell them that it's here.
And also I was kind of worried that they were
going to think I was kind of like a kook
or some kind of whack on late on a Saturday night,
like telling them there's a UFO outside. Not it's not
typically your normal thing that you tell people that you don't.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Know, especially late on a Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah. So I got in my car and I was like,
I gotta follow this thing because it was It blinked
out for a little bit and then it reappeared further
down the tree line. So I got in my car,
probably followed it around two to three blocks down the
road over in it I found it over It was
hovering over this person's house right in this like small
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residential area in a like in Exeter. It's probably a
town of like seventeen thousand people, so nothing really happens here.
And it was pretty quiet, and I'm just I get
out of my car again. I felt really uncomfortable that
I was standing outside of this person's house at night alone,
just like staring up above their roof at this glowing
red light. And it was completely silent. There was no
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buzzing sound or like a rotor running or anything. It
was probably the light itself was I'd say for the
most part.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
It was small.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
It was like half the size of your standard sedan,
like a car, just floating there and I'm standing there
across the street, and in the blink of an eye,
it literally just like shut off, like a light switch
in a bedroom. And at the time, I hadn't done
any research in the UFOs, and that moment, I literally
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thought it disappeared. I thought it vanished out of thin air.
And it was darker than the night sky behind it,
and I thought I was seeing spot in my vision
because this thing was so bright. It was like looking
up at the sun during the daytime, and you get
you know, you always get spots.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
In your vision.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
But so I just kind of and it's really kind
of a boring story. At the end, I just go
home and have dinner, and then I've spent the past
three months trying to look up what kind of like
kid toy that could have been floating around in somebody's
backyard over someone's house, and I couldn't find anything, and
I didn't I was so excited in the moment I
(08:28):
didn't get my phone to take a picture or videotape
it on camera. Yeah, I was just I don't know.
All I wanted to do in that moment was just look.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
At this thing.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was like four minutes long. The whole encounter wasn't
wasn't It was a one time thing. And ever since then,
it I just I can't forget about it. And I've
been researching the topic ever since, looking for answers, and
it's wound me all the way to hear on Martin's
wonderful show and the content that he produces, and it
was just really fascinating. And when you're so close to
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the phenomena, it really like rocks you to your to
your core in the sense like whoa like this in
your mind you're thinking this doesn't belong here, yet it's
there and you're looking at it and it's real, and
then you realize, like all the lies that have been
going on when you once you start researching the topic
and the disinformation and why it's such a secret. I
(09:20):
have no idea why. But once you see it, like
you know it's real, you can't convince and I'm not
here to convince anybody that it's real or fake. But
once you have your own sighting and it's close within
like proximity to you, and it's within two hundred five
hundred feet of you, like that's going to change the
way you look at things. And it was pretty surreal,
(09:41):
but yeah, that's the story.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
In a nutshell.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
It was your classic like red and white fulsating orb,
which is pretty common in the world.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Yeah, it's funny there it is exiting Hampshire another red
you know, red light red orb whatever you know.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Jack listening, you give that account, which I appreciated, and
I'll bet a lot of other viewers. You're emblematic of
so many of us that went through that door in
one way or another, that had that what I would
call a BCAD experience and that you measure forward and
(10:21):
backward from in your life. Most of those in our
lives are more conventional weddings, funerals at the top of
the list, that kind of thing. But there's no other
way to really describe it than the way you did.
People can come into the subject, of course, through intellectual
curiosity and be dedicated to the rest of their lives
(10:43):
and never see anything. Other people have more experiences than
they would like, and then there are those of us
that have an experience that, like it or not, helps
to define our lives and often helps shape them. Peter
also just one more than your impulse to look first
(11:06):
for like a kind of toy or a real world,
everyday solution, rather than just oh my god, I saw
flying saucer from That's a very healthy impulse and one
that's crucial to any serious investigator.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Very good points, Peter. I remember talking to you the
first time. I think it was twenty eleven or twelve
or something like that, but I do remember you talking
about your sighting. I know this is going to get
off exitter a little bit, but I'd like, there's a
couple of reasons, like I'd like to hear your sighting again.
But I believe I was almost going to talk to you.
(11:47):
I don't know, maybe four or five months ago, after
I spoke to someone who had a sightings in Queens
that sounded very much like yours in the seventies. So
but yeah, I think it was three craft there were
silver something like that, five, but it was.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I'd be glad to give you a somewhat abbreviated version,
but just to say first, four years ago, a good
friend and close colleague, Richard M. Delon, who had been
fascinated by the story, especially with regard to my sister's experience.
(12:29):
I was staying over here for a couple of days,
and we decided he just wanted to do a documentary
on him, and you can find it on YouTube. It's
called I Think the UFO Abduction, the nineteen sixty one
abduction of Helen Robbins, and it covers a great deal
of background material, more than a lot of interviews I've
(12:51):
done for us. For me, it began on a perfectly
beautiful early summer, late spring, mid morning, when my sister
and I were out in front of the house that
we grew up in on Long Island, goofing around as
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kids do. But in a village, in a small town,
there are those times where there's not only nothing going
on around you know, your neighborhood, but there's nothing going on.
There's no kids playing on the street, there's no cars
going by, there's no ice cream truck or neighbors. It's
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just quiet. And I caught something out of my right
periphle vision and either said Helen or look and coming
at a quite a rate of speed and then simply stopping,
like a freeze frame in a film. We're five silvery
white elliptical objects, like holding a dinner plate, you know,
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distance in a very precise the upside down formation, and
they were close enough that there was no ambiguity. It
wasn't a cloud in the sky. They were metallic, but
not shiny, and each one of them had detailing around
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the edge that years later when we first discussed this,
because that memory was absolutely suppressed for me, and one
that she never shared, although it remained in her consciousness
that we could only read like windows on a commercial airplane,
you know, at a distance. And I looked and looked
(14:44):
and looked with the understanding I had zero interest in
this subject. I had lots of other things going on
as a twelve year old, and I was about as
sophisticated as the actor Jerry Mathers in the classic Leave
It to be vera television series, Very small town Happy.
Growing up, I knew about flying saucers what kid didn't,
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but only in the context of wonderful B movies I
would see on Saturday afternoon with some of my friends
at the local movie theater. I guess I intuited the
adult message that yes, they're real in the movies, but
and it never occurred to me otherwise until there they were,
and I went through Martin. What I came to call
(15:29):
a checklist reaction that I've documented. I don't know how
many people have interviewed over the decades. You probably have two.
You're minding your business, living your life, and you look
up or what have you, and there it is, or
there they are, and you go through a checklist in
your mind of what these aren't not planes, kites, blimps, balloons, helicopters,
(15:52):
reflections from the ground, bottle airplanes, strain shaped clouds, flotsam
and jetsam. What am I looking at? And it was
the first moment in my entire life as a kid
where I realized I was looking at something that I
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knew didn't exist. And as a result, I was becoming
more and more anxious if this were true, and trying
to tell myself in fact and regressive hypnosis. The poignan
phrase that came up at the end trying to hold
on to something was secret government test plane. There must
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be some kind of secret government test plane. But planes
have wings, in planes have propellers or jet engines, they
have tails. These were round, and there they were. At
a certain point, I became so anxious that I literally
(16:55):
turned on my heels and headed for the front door
of the house to run in to tell her mom
what was going on outside, and did just that, but
never made it quite to the front door. I was
knocked out, passed out. A series of circumstances happened that
I went unconscious for period of time, and when I
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came to, they were gone. My sister was gone, and
I had a scrape on my arm right there because
I came kind of skidding into the walkway from the
front lawn kind of thing. And fourteen year old kid
back in the day, your first impulse, what a scab
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that is going to make red Badger carriage boys. You know,
we don't think like that quite anymore, but we did
at that age. Go in the house intuitively, just head
up the stairs. Both of my sisters shared a room
at the top of the stairs.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
Whoops, I think we're awesome. Yeah we lost some He
should come back, but yeah, I think he's let me
see if I get back.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
So my cam goes off.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
All right, Well try I'm not sure.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I still look the same as I did moments ago.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
I can ye.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I saw her a private moment, go downstairs, walk through
the living room, dining room, and I'm speaking now from
clear recall and hypnotic regressions with Bud Hopkins and a
great New York City police detective particularly trained in regressive
hypnosis for criminal investigation and early mentor of mine. And
(18:45):
there's my mom in right profile at the stove, I
think making grilled cheese sandwiches for us for lunch. And
I said, quote unquote, Mom, Helen, and I just saw
some things in the sky over the Parker's house that
looked like flying sausage from the movies. Now, if you
are a parent, or if you are a kid whoever
had a sighting and told your parent, and their reaction
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was understandably to deal with their own anxiety and not
want to trouble you. Oh honey, it just looked like that,
or you thought, or or not a good thing to
say to a kid. And my mom turned and looked
at me. Years later, when we talked about this, she
didn't remember it, but her impulse was extraordinary. She simply
looked at me.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
And huh, oh, wow, we're having some trouble here. I'm
not there. It is you back, Peter, I am audio
yet yeah was anymore?
Speaker 3 (19:47):
He just looked at me with a look that no
like looking at an adult. She didn't feel the need
to make me wrong or to rationalize, and then she
went back to cooking with a serious look on her face.
But parenthetically, for those that question aspects of regressive hypnosis,
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and I think it's really all a matter of who
your practitioner is and what their intentions are, rather than
the discipline itself. But either Bought or Pete at that
point said do you know what time it is? And
I said, no, is there a clock in the room, Yes,
where's the clock on the wall up to the right
behind my mom? Look at the clock. Okay, what time
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is it? Twenty after twelve? Anyway, it troubled me tremendously,
so much so that we didn't talk about it when
Helen asked me later that afternoon if I wanted to.
And people do it all the time with much more
conventional and often much more tragic kind of trauma, they
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put it out of their mind. They are able to
repress the memory, and I did.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
And your sister did as well. I remember right.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
No, Helen actually remembered a tremendous amount of it. But
even as a twelve year old, realized this is not
a cool thing to talk about, and so had it
just be part of her inner life and was ready
to speak with me about it when my memory came
roaring back through a series of circumstances one afternoon, a
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little more than fourteen years later, and I was overwhelmed
when it did. My first thought was, I'm having some
kind of mental aberration, because there's no way a rational
person could have forgotten what I'm remembering now. It was
the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life.
And kind of crashed and burned on that for a
(21:46):
while and pulled myself together, washed my face, had a
cup of tea, and say, now what And I knew
that now what?
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It was?
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Called my sister because I had a witness, and I
did asked very specifically. It was a good time to talk,
and thankfully, before blurting it out, had realized I could
do that and she would say yes or no, but
I would never really know the nuances. So I just said,
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remembered something I need to know if you remembered, and
I set the scene talking about the weather, the time
of day, the time of year, about how old we
weren't just got me off mid sentence and told me
what I remembered, which was great, except she wasn't trure
whether it was five or six, which we worked out
very quickly the next day, when I had already done
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my first painting and she saw it was obviously an
odd number. And I think that episode in my life,
had it been confined to that, would have been enough
to make me one of those millions of people who
had a lifelong interest in the subject, who had other
career goals and followed them but stayed in touch, you know,
(22:57):
with what was happening, read the books, went to conferences.
But then Helen said, either there's more and I don't
know how you're going to feel about it, or words
to that effect. This in fifty years ago, nineteen seventy five,
when there wasn't anything called UFO abduction research, when I
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didn't know anybody who was into this subject. I didn't
know there were you whole conferences. I just knew this
was crazy. But she described to me these perfect and
kind of bubbles of memory that I had never heard
anything like in my entire life, But now I've heard
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countless times, often close to word for word, a memory
of being walked through a curved metal hallway by a
number of beings. In this being fifteen years before the
term gray emerged and I asked her what they looked like,
and her description was small doctors with big heads and
(24:01):
big black eyes who talked to me. In my head,
there was one very tall one and the next thing
she knows, she's on the table, twelve year old girl
naked and just that thing that also accompanies experiencers experiences
(24:22):
of a very lackadaisic latitude when you should be freaking
the hell out of Oh, isn't this interesting? Essentially, which
was how I felt for the few seconds before I
went down. And it wasn't until in her head hearing
these classical things you've seen us before, you'll see us again,
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or we've seen you before, we'll see you again. You're special,
we love you, we will not harm you. That we
will not harm you came into her head. She was
experiencing pain in the general genital area from whatever they
were doing, so she emerged from it. No fan of them.
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But I thought, at that moment, my sister must be
going crazy. I thought that for a matter of seconds
before I caught myself saying ah, But twelve seconds ago
it was perfectly okay. For five silvery white UFO objects
to be hanging over the Parker's house across the street,
listen to what your sister's saying, And that not only
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altered the trajectory of my life, it completely well, it
effectively derailed the only career that I had pursued or
wanted from the time I was a kid, and that
I was really starting to do. And I resented that
I didn't go into the work for love of the work.
I was obsessed. I needed to know what happened to
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my sister, and ultimately that obsession really took over my life,
and not in a good way. I ultimately was for
enough to find a therapist who was just the right
person for me and who helped me normalize what I
had experienced. He happened to also be the former first
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assistant for the last eleven years in the life of
doctor Wilhelm Reich, and he had had a sighting with
Reich and then after the fact, and doctor Baker helped
me to become the person that I am, and I
think deal with a great deal of the stress that
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comes your way doing this work professionally, especially when you
get deeply involved in certain case work, and for me,
especially back then, I was not only a novice. I
didn't know this world that anybody now, you know, just
go on the internet and you're connected to a zillian
people and authorities and personnalities and documentaries and conferences. I
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was on my own and was not quick to make
friends in the field. You're all crazy, right, But that's
how I got rolling.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Wow. Yeah, I've forgotten a lot of that, and so
thank you, Peter. So let's let's get back to Exeter.
We have this conference coming up. I'm excited about it.
I've gone a number of times over the years. And
and how many years has this been for them? Are
(27:41):
you aware of that? Peter?
Speaker 3 (27:43):
Well, I had thought it was the ten anniversary, but
it was going on for several years earlier, but under
independent management so to speak, and folks who were like
a lot of conference organizers and why not doing to
run into his business and they weren't able to, And
(28:03):
thankfully the Exeter chapter of the Kawanis International took it over.
Without them, it would have died. And they connected with
a resident UFO scholar, Dean Merchant, a great guy and
remarkable personality who really was the founder, a co founder,
(28:28):
and I came in about ten years ago. I think
in the first wave of the Kuwanas organized events, and
what impressed me the most, and you know their conferences
and festivals and they all have a somewhat different character,
was that this one was not only nonprofit, but that
(28:53):
all expenses, all money is made beyond your normal operating expenses,
everything from rending the hall to you know, feeding us
lunch two days, to residences and transportation that kind of thing.
Everything went to local children's services in the Greater Exeter area.
(29:14):
And there's nothing going on in the world of you know,
UFO conferences that's like that paranormal as far as I know, right,
And every year we've done somewhat better. And last year
we cleared thirty five thousand dollars that went right to them.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That's a wonderful out of Yeah, yeah, that's wonderful. So, Peter,
had you ever I want to talk historically to people
who are unfamiliar with you know, Norman having his UFO
sighting back in nineteen sixty five. Are you up on
that or you want us to talk about We didn't
get a chance to speak ahead of the show, so you.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Are probably more knowledgeable off the cuff on that case than.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know, I had I had heard about it.
Now I'm talking about before I got into the topic.
I had heard about it, but I didn't know much
about it. But anyway, basically in the nutshell and Jack,
you've looked a little bit into this too, oh there's Peter. Yeah,
(30:21):
but you know, basically it was September second, and then
it went into the third of nineteen sixty five and
Norman Musk how do you say is the Muscarello he
was hitchhiking from. Yeah, he's hiking back from Amesbury up
(30:41):
into the Exeter area. This actually happened in Kensington. A
friend of mine actually lives in Kensington. It's right, you know,
right there. But so he was basically walking for a
long long time. It's about a twelve twelve mile walk
from his girlfriend's house to where he was going, and
so it was early in the morning basically. But Jack, well,
(31:05):
there was earlier than that. There was a woman. Do
you know that part of it where there was a
woman with She had pulled over and said that there
was some type of UFO following her.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
One of the two police officers that reported to Norman
sighting prior to Norman going to the police station that day.
The only reason why the way it reads is the
one of the police officers believed Norman was because earlier,
I think that same day or either the day before,
there was some lady traveling from Epping, New Hampshire to
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Exeter on Route one oh one and she was just
like pulled over on the side of the road late
at night, and for whatever reason, this police officer pulled
over just to see if she was okay, and she
was going on about this story about how this giant
red light was following her in her car and she
was freaking out, and he just kind of chalked it
up to like she was a total cup and left
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her there and went back on patrol, and then he
got called back to Exeter because Norman reported seeing something
similar a little bit further down the way, a little
further south of town of Exeter. So I thought that
was interesting. And the other thing, New Martin is on
the I think on the thirteenth and the seventeenth. You
had sent me a clip earlier today from a different
(32:22):
YouTube channel is on Cinema I think the name is,
but he had some great audio of the police law
enforcement testimony. But there was another incident that on the seventeenth,
on the sixteenth and seventeenth of September, so a couple
weeks after the third, where there was a craft scene
off a Route eighty eight, I think a different side
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of town. So like there were just, yeah, at least
three different sidings. It was totally wild.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Yeah, that's right. It was a woman that was involved
in that one inner car and this thing had also
red lights, but it had I believe white lights as well.
So Norman's basically walking three o'clock in the morning basically,
and this big, huge red ufo comes up over by.
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He goes into this field and it comes right over
this farmhouse and it's the size of the house itself.
So he runs up to the door, knocks on the door,
not knowing that no one was home. Basically, do I
have that right? Yes? Yeah, And so then he runs
out to the road and a person he waves his
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arms in front of a car. That person pulls over.
They happen to know Norman, and so they give him
a ride to the police station. So then he goes
to the police station. He was a picture of him
back then goes to the police station and basically they
go out him himself, and the police officer whose name
(33:56):
I'm sorry, right, don't I can't pull it right off
the up in my head Bertrand. So Bertrand goes to
the site with him, basically, and he has this big
flashlight and he's you know, they're looking around, and then
the other police officer happens to stop and gets out
on foot, and all of a sudden they hear Norman
(34:21):
say here it comes, look out, it's coming. So they
all witnesses. So the two police officers plus Norman see
this red ufo down in the field. It starts to
come toward them and then it's zigs and zags and
then slowly drifts off to the east. So you think
that would be the end of the story, but it's not.
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So there's P's Air Force Base. I grew up in
the area, so I could actually from my I lived
on top of a hill in a house that we
could see P's Air Force Base. River we're in Elliott
mainbit could see Peace. So someone visited him, Norman from
Peace and burst right into the room where I was
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in and say do not talk about this. And then Peter,
you must have heard all the different ways they tried
to pass this office a hoax in different in explanations.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
And also we need to remember this was sixty years
ago and normally the military police sort of code of
behavior regarding you know, a fellow officer, and this subject
is at best a lot of good natured ribbing. At worst,
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how dare you embarrass us by taking this seriously? Serving
police officers, like commercial pilots, immediately risked their careers by
making career a report like this, but they stood by
it thankfully. Among all the coverage, a investigative writer named
(36:02):
John Fuller not only covered the story for part of
the media but allegorically and actually he wrote the book
on it. It's one of the best standalone investigations for
folks that want to take the subject more seriously. Nobody
has been able to really take this down. Also, he
(36:27):
was the one who first chronicled the Hills experiences in
Interrupted Journey Right anyway, That really helped to make the
incident at Exeter the extremely respected, well known, and well
documented story and account that it is. With these you know,
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you can call it everyday heroism. You're not risking your life,
but you're risking your career the way that the community
is going to deal with your family. It's a lot,
and that's how this conference festival began. But viewers should
know it is, in the best sense of the word,
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a very split event. There is this conference that Martin
and I will be speaking at and other speakers, and Martin,
it was funny I had forgotten you hadn't spoken there
because I remember you there so many times over the years.
And it's a first class presentation as well as a
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series of presentations, as well as a wonderful American event.
You are in an historic town hall with a wrap
around balcony, a building that Abraham Lincoln spoke in, in
an absolutely picture beautiful New England town that served as
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the capital of the United States during the earliest days
of the country. And everybody you can imagine is in
that audience. The other thing that's going on is a festival.
It celebrating I guess you could say generally how deeply
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the subjects of extraterrestrials UFOs, these areas of speculation and
science fiction have penetrated into not just Western culture, everything
from children's cartoons to some of the hugest earning films
(38:36):
to advertising, and it's just become part of the culture.
This is a way, I guess folks celebrate it in
part and for anyone that is understandably a bit anxious
about who we are not alone, it's a way to
lighten it up. There is a really fascinating education tour
(39:01):
out to the locations in question. All of the speakers,
from the best known to the not best known, we
are all accessible to anybody throughout the weekend, and we
have an area set up for sales and book signing,
hanging out with you guys, taking pictures. There's lots of
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really good places to eat in the area, and for
me as a New Yorker, it immediately throws me into
another area of history. The architecture on Main Street is great.
And we're here but coming and going.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, growing up here. You know, I'm in
the area of imports with Newypshire, which is twenty minutes away.
You know it is. It's a historic, historic area and
wonderful area and yeah, it's it's I'm excited to be
able to speak so close to home. I mean, my
son's coming, he's bringing some of his friends and it's
(40:08):
great and all that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
So, yeah, there are people that I recognize in the
audience that I were first there in ten years ago
when I started, who were ready regulars and questions and
answer sessions for me especially gratifying. These are informed folks.
And for years we had Dear Paul Eno and his
(40:35):
son then doing their radio show as a part of
the event on Sunday live Radio Old Fashioned their show
CBS affiliate out of Rhode Island. And with Paul gone
and Ben not continuing to do that, we do have
an up and coming blogger who will be doing a
(40:56):
live radio show as his presentation. Oh yeah, yeah, so
something that you might well do in.
Speaker 1 (41:04):
Future, Yeah, definitely. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
But it's if you've never been to a so called
UFO conference or festival before, this is a good one
to start on. If you are a veteran, you don't
want to.
Speaker 4 (41:18):
Miss this one. And for me, it's become again more
a family thing working with these people year after year
and again knowing everybody gets paid, but we make money
for this extraordinarily important cause, the kids in this community,
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and you know, it's a win win situation.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
I have to I have to show you a picture.
This is actually in my presentation just because of a
blurb about Stanton. But this is a great picture that
I took an Exeter. That's great, you know, it's just
stand is approachable. These girls came in with her and
he goes, oh why not?
Speaker 2 (42:07):
You know?
Speaker 1 (42:07):
Totally yeah, totally yep.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
But the most lingering thing at this point, who knows
what's going to happen next in the House of Representative
or who knows the impact of the whistleblower and testimony.
What it comes down to in terms of what we
know and being our three dimensional, corporeal selves here in
the real world is the people you meet, the friendships
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that you make, the experiences that you have, the locations
that you get to visit, even if it's taking a
day or two off from your normal life to go
to Exit in New Hampshire to experience this thing, that's
something you can bank on always. And no matter how
this whole subject pans out and how much of it
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we're hanging around to see, time will tell. But it's
an event where you can learn a lot and really
have a great time.
Speaker 1 (43:06):
Yeah yep, so we I just wanted to finish up
a little more about the incident back in nineteen sixty
five because I think It's fascinating the fact that P's
Air Force Base actually had a press conference trying to
explain away the situation, and it had to do with
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a plane that was showing lit advertising you know that
did that did it was in the area, but of
course not then. It hadn't flown for several days. And besides,
someone made a really good point exactly why would you
have an advertising plane at three o'clock in the morning
in a field over Exeter, New Hampshire.
Speaker 3 (43:51):
That's a rough one to respond to.
Speaker 1 (43:52):
Yeah, that's very and I love you know. I had
talked to Linda Zimmermann before about you know, her animal reactions,
and this was one of the cases where there was
an animal reaction, and I talked to someone that actually
went there and Exeter and went to that farm and
saw the stalls and they were all still. They never
(44:14):
fixed those doors. They were kicked by the horses at
night and all, you know, damage pretty bad. So there
were the dogs were barking the horses and the thing
made no sound at all, as you always hear, no
sound that they could hear, but obviously it affected the
animals and that was probably through sound. Possibly.
Speaker 3 (44:36):
I had that experience in an unforgettable way. Once and
only ones I remembered well enough to tell you. It
was the night of February eighteenth, nineteen eighty eight, in Suffolk, England,
not far from RIF Bentwater's air base, and it was
a UFO event that was going on when we finally
(45:01):
walked away from it after an hour and a half
because we exhausted from jet lag having just come in
the day before.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
That.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
You know, what, can you say? Well, for us, we
were hearing these very uncomfortable screams coming from this farming area,
and I even was able to capture them on my
micro cassette recorder at the time. But yeah, and animal
(45:35):
reactions are as really verifiable aspect of this as so
many other kinds of evidence.
Speaker 1 (45:43):
Yes, right, I remember watching Jay Allen Heinez talk about rabbits.
I don't know if you ever heard that. That's sorry
about all the rabbits. They just I think they liked
froze or they thought they were asleep, and then when
the UFO event happened, they just went back to being normal.
So yeah, there's many, many great, great things. But yeah,
(46:06):
I mean you're right about the bus tour. It took
that last year for the first time. Oh good to
where that happens and someone has a UFO planted in
their yard. I think it's year round, right, they once
it looks like a stationary thing. But yeah, so Peter,
you've been doing this ten years, you've been coming. So
that's that's really amazing that that long.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
This year, it's going to work out. It's almost four
hundred miles each way, and I'm not young and crazy
enough to try to do that in the day. So
I stop overnight in Albany with a friend who has
been a speaker there, wonderful antiquarian scholar named Laird Scranton
and all. You're staying with him and his wife. And
(46:52):
in fact, Thursday we'll I'll be driving from Ithaca to Albany.
Is my birthday, and you know, be on the road
for a good part of it. But it is a
Chinese dinner on my birthday in Albany, and in lieu
of having to put me up at a hotel, the
(47:12):
conference committee is delighted to pay for this birthday dinner.
Speaker 1 (47:17):
Awesome, that's great. Well, it might be up coming birthday.
Speaker 3 (47:20):
In it for the money and the food.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Yeah, yeah, so I don't know Peter, if you've looked
into other UFO events here in this area. But you know,
like Jack was talking about, there was one also a
few days later, like less than you know, a couple
of weeks or about a couple of weeks later that
happened on Route eighty eight. Route eighty eight goes from
(47:43):
goes right into Hampton Falls and into Root one and
all that. But it seems like I remember there was
talk even though I wasn't in two UFOs as a
kid too much or whatever, I had like a passing interest.
But I do remember hearing people talking like there was
a lot going on, and that would be I just
(48:06):
you know, date myself, but that would be back in
the you know, the late sixties where I was hearing
a lot in early seventies where there was a lot
going on in the area. And you know, this is
just a your opinion, Why do you suppose that, say,
this thing shows up and then it shows up again
(48:27):
and a couple of days later. I mean, first of all,
there's a lot of questions that that brings up, like
how far away did that thing come from? Is it
another dimension? Is it another solar system? Is it another
you know, what is it, But why in the area,
and then why show up in the area, Like for instance,
it was in that field when Norman saw it, he
(48:49):
goes away for a couple of hours, he comes back,
it comes back to that field, and then you know,
like earlier that day, it's in one area, and then
it may come back two weeks later in that area.
I mean, this is it's always been a puzzle since
I've looked at this why things like that happened?
Speaker 3 (49:07):
Boy, I'll tell you Martin, this is one of the
sixty four thousand dollars questions, as they would have used
to say, we can only make educated speculation, and everything
you've touched on, you know, given that we're dealing with
the unknown here to a good degree is viable. I
(49:28):
had first years ago when I learned about areas that
had higher incidences of activity or certain kinds of activity
or a certain pattern to it, that there was a
reason for that. They understood. But like you know, playing
(49:52):
with a cat with your hand under a blanket, we
don't know what their motivations or just ires are. Is
a window area or is there something going on perhaps
in terms of military technology that they're picking up that
they want to check out, is there's some kind of
(50:19):
time or dimensional opening. I know that I know so little.
After fifty years of study, I know more than most people,
and I can ask better questions. But when we and
we all have colleagues and no people in the field
(50:39):
who ultimately champion a certain theory or a certain belief
or said of them and codify them. And once you
do that, you essentially create a little brief system that
people will approach and may have quite a bit of
fans or in these days you know, followers or subscribers
(51:02):
and become a real personality who knows maybe even making
a living living the UFO lifestyle or it's you know,
I mean, it's that's part of the way the world
is now.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
Yes, you a lot of that. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (51:17):
Again, going right back to the Exeter UFO conference and festival,
Like so many events where you have this dynamic in
the best sense of the word, you're in a bell jar.
There is an invisible shield that's put over the whole
thing for the weekend of the day. And what that
(51:37):
denotes is that after you've heard of talk about one
of the wildest things you've ever heard, you can turn
to the person next to you and start to talk
about it as naturally as you would about the weather,
on a subject that you wouldn't even discuss with your husband, wife, girlfriend,
boyfriend or best friend. And that there's a free exchange
of ideas you may contact with anybody you want. Basically,
(52:04):
it's also a living sociology class. I often think of
these events like that. They're in a mister spock eyebrow
raising way, fascinating. I will also say, as far as
the fun part and the popular culture part, we live
in a world where almost any thought, product or idea
(52:27):
is kind of weaponized into a line of items for sale.
And I have to say the T shirts, the hats,
the posters, all of that stuff that has come out
of Exeter is a cut above designs, the way they manufactured,
(52:48):
and the fun of knowing that, yeah, I just bought
this hat, but this much of this money is a
sizeable amount is going for this amazing charity. I wonder
how much they're gonna make this year. Also, the sociology
of looking at Main Street where you know this again,
(53:08):
this wonderful area circa eighteen sixty, eighteen eighty, right out
of Curryer and Knives. You can't I won't say pro
cat because I love cats, but you can't look anywhere
without seeing inflatable green aliens, which I am somewhat am
bivoloed about. But you know, cut people slack on a.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thing like that.
Speaker 3 (53:31):
It's fun and goofy and makes for great photographs.
Speaker 1 (53:35):
And kind of gives kids, and you know, kids kind
of think it's fun too. So here's a question here,
and we have to wrap up here in just a minute,
But so did they try to keep the police quiet?
And the answer is yes, there was that too directly.
I can't remember which officer it was, but he was
(53:57):
told not let's not talk about this, let's not let
it escalate, you know, that type of thing. So unfortunately,
these things, you know, did happen a lot, and when
these events happened, this type of thing did happen. I
don't know today well we've got less in a minute.
(54:19):
I can't really go into it. But I just wonder
if today, if something this exact same thing happened, how
much more open we would be as a society than
we were back then. All things to ponder. But thank you,
gentlemen both so much. It's been a real pleasure having
you on and so I'll see you both in a
couple of days.
Speaker 3 (54:39):
Absolutely looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (54:41):
Right, all right everyone, So next week we will be
back again with Mitch Randall. Well, coming up we have
Gene and Natalia Stick. Oh they're gonna be talking about
Soviet documents. And then next Tuesday Mitch Randall. Next Thursday
we have Katie Page. Thank you all very much. Remember
to keep your eyes to the sky. Good night, h
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