694. UAP Hearing, UFOs & Flight 21 with Dave Scott

Martin Willis welcomes Dave Scott, host of Spaced Out Radio, for a powerful discussion that connects today’s UAP transparency efforts with one of Canada’s most enduring mysteries. We begin with coverage of the U.S. House hearing “Restoring Public Trust Through UAP Transparency and Whistleblower Protection”, held on September 9, 2025. This landmark event put UFOs and whistleblower protections at the forefront of public debate, signaling a major step in the ongoing fight for disclosure. From there, the conversation shifts to the haunted legacy of Flight 21—a Canadian Pacific Air Lines flight that exploded over British Columbia in 1965, killing 52 people in what investigators determined was a bombing. The site has since become infamous not only for its tragic past but also for strange reports of ghostly activity, eerie tree-knocking sounds, and UFO sightings in the Cariboo region.
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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
More. Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willsher host. Boy.

(00:29):
We had a little get together with Chris Lido and
friends and we watched it was a hearing party, I
guess you would call it. We watched the whole thing live,
which was really interesting. And my guest tonight is Dave Scott.
He's having issues with his we'll figure it out, right, Dave.
I can see you back in there. I think he

(00:50):
has to use his phone instead of his computer tonight,
but anyway, he should be right back joining us here
in a minute. So just to talk about a couple
of things, we will be talking about the hearing a
bit tonight on this show, and also just to give
what's going on. I think it was a great hearing,

(01:13):
I really do. I thought Dylan Borland was a Borland
I think his name was. It was an extremely good
witness perhaps I would say, daringly say, probably one of
the better witnesses they've ever had. So I thought it
was great. I didn't get to make it there this time. Unfortunately.
I was sad about that. After I saw how incredible

(01:35):
it was, I wasn't as thrilled last time. And you know,
the weird thing about being at the hearing. When I
was there last time, I'm going to just show the
picture of where I was. I was right in the middle,
so I could not hear it was I could barely
hear anything going on. And when you're sitting in your

(01:57):
home and live streaming, it's pretty pretty nice, but there's
nothing like being there and talking with people and all that.
So our blog this week is a nineteen eighty one
Men in Black report from British Columbia, Canada, written by
Charles Lear. He'll be doing a follow up to that
next week. I'm excited to say next Tuesday, we have

(02:20):
Bill Chalker, the longtime Australian UFO ufologists. I've been trying
to get him on for I looked and I had
sent him an email back in twenty sixteen trying to
get him on. Finally he said yes, so he'll be
on this coming Tuesday, and I think that's it for me.
I want to thank everyone that supports the show. Anyone

(02:40):
can do that over at you go to our website
PODCASTUFO dot com. You'll see support the show Patreon any way.
Like there, we also have merchandise and all that. So
without further ado I'm bringing in Dave. Welcome Dave.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Hi, Martin, how you doing today?

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Hey, that's your Phone's you a phone right now? I
am that's better than your computer? You know, can all
that stuff? Yeah? No, no, it's great. It looks really good,
sounds good. All great. So good to have you here.
We got to meet in person up in northern California
last spring, and finally we got to meet and hang

(03:21):
out and that was a lot of fun. We had
a lot of fun, a lot of great talks.

Speaker 2 (03:24):
It was a lot of fun. And I tell you,
for people who've never met Martin Willis, let me tell
you this. He is one of the classiest individuals I
have ever met in this field. And I mean that
not just because I'm on your show with you, Martin,
but you know, I think we've developed a friendship and
a kinship that really, you know, understands this entire market

(03:50):
and you know, you're just so smart and so knowledgeable
that it's just a real pleasure to not only call
you a cohort, but a friend as well. Well.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Thank you. I feel quite the same. I really really
felt like we connected. And you do shows all the time.
I don't know how you do it. You know, I
changed it two times a week and I feel like
and plus I'm really busy with the real world work,
so I don't know how you do it every night.

(04:20):
How stupid. I know you said something about well a leasha,
not like you'd sit on the couch of you and
do that or something like that. I forget what you said.

Speaker 2 (04:30):
I would be. You know, I'm a night outl and
and not only for people who don't know me. I'm
a journalist by trade. That's what I went to college for.
I spent ten years industrial radio, mainly working in sports,
and I loved radio. The only crappy thing about working
in terrestrial radio, especially on the journalism side, is it

(04:52):
doesn't pay very well. And so I'm also an experiencer
as well. So with that happening and combining them both,
and you know, I didn't know when I was having
my experiences. Starting twenty eleven through twenty fourteen, I just
decided that I was going to start something up and

(05:16):
at the convincing of a friend of mine and that
I would just start spaced out radio and kind of
see where it went. And you know, ten years coming
up eleven years in November, I can't believe I've been
doing it this long, and I don't know whether I've
wasted eleven years or whether I have made roads into it.

(05:37):
But I mean, the main thing is the love of
the subject number one, love of the people. You know,
I'm not a big You know, where you and I
are kind of polar opposite is you're very nuts and bolts.
You're very scientific, You're very methodical in what you do,
and I consider you a brainiac and I mean that

(05:57):
with all compliment, Whereas I'm more on the wu side
of things, where I as much as I love learning
about the technologies, as much as I love learning about
what's going on the governmental side of everything, what still
gets to me is a good story. You know, you
have somebody who has an incredible story and an adventure

(06:20):
or an experience that it just is so unexplainable. And
it doesn't matter whether it's just UFOs. I mean, it
could be paranormal, it could be a near death experience,
Bigfoot or whatever it is. I just love those encounters.
And you know, I'm not aware's the proof kind of guy.
I'm all about, how do you feel? How did it
feel when you saw that dogma? How did it feel

(06:42):
when you saw that UFO landed in your backyard? And
I think in today's UFO world, you know, we tend
to kind of shun the experiencer a little bit because
this subject has taken off on such a governmental landscape.
I just want to tell people's stories, man, And I

(07:02):
think that's for me. Where the love is.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
I see, you know, I had a conversation years ago
with Greg Bishop, and you know, he's a great guy.
I really like I like him a lot. And he
said something like he talked to someone that had a
UFO experience, and he said that when they left the house,
so they noticed there was a purple teddy bear on

(07:29):
that they had never seen before in a chair. He said,
I want to hear stuff like that because it's so
bizarre and it really doesn't make any sense. And those
are the ones to pay attention to, you know, those
type of stories. So you know, it is, it is
kind of weird, and I don't think it can get
weird enough sometimes when people start, like, for instance, if

(07:50):
I meet someone somewhere and they start telling me a
story and they say, well, I really don't want to
say this, but you know, because it sounds crazy, but
this is what happened, and those are real, genuine to me.
So I like the stories too, and so we should
talk a little bit about the hearing considering I wrote
that in the beginning. First of all, I want to

(08:10):
show everyone a video that I stole so they can
check it out. I think it's very very interesting, and
I do believe, you know, I can hear I can
almost hear Mick West what he's going to say now
about it. But it is acting very peculiar. And here
it is right here, it's only thirty five seconds long.

(08:31):
Here it goes and you can see this thing floating
along after it was struck by a missile. Now, when
you see it struck by this missile, the missile does
not fuse. It does not blow up, which is very strange.
Here it goes again, and you see the debris floating by.

(08:53):
We don't know how fast this thing is going, how
much was slowed down or whatever. We don't know if
it's going down toward the water right now, how high
up it was. We don't know anything. But anyway, I
thought that was as a very interesting video. Regardless, Yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Thought that too, And and you know, I don't know
enough about the military side of things, and why that
hellfire missile, if that's indeed what it was, didn't explode
because from what I do know about hell fire missiles,
and please you, if you've served in the military, please
correct me if I'm wrong. But by the time you

(09:28):
lock on to an object and the missile gains its target,
you have within one minute of firing it, otherwise it
will explode within your launcher. So these things are pretty
difficult and very dangerous pieces of equipment. So the fact

(09:49):
that this was launched and did not explode, if it
was a hellfire missile, I find that very very odd
and it's something that I want to do more research
on because it doesn't make sense to me. And I'm
going to call my military people that I know to say, hey,
was that a hell fire missile or was it rebranded

(10:11):
as something else? But said it was? Because does it
need to explode once it makes contact? Now, if it
is a UFO, maybe it's shut off the detonation system,
we don't know. We have to go on the word
of it right.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Now, that's right, And you know, there's been a lot
of speculation, you know, when I was talking to Chris Leito,
who was an F sixteen pilot. He is saying that
they are made so they can go through like if
they hit a bird, for instance, they're not going to
go off. They have to hit something really you know,
substantial before that will detonate. But they also have a
laser thing that kind of makes it as it gets

(10:49):
close to the object, it can fuse that way. He
calls it fusing when they actually blow up. And so
we looked at examples online of one of those that
actually did blow up up and hitting a target and
it absolutely blew up. So a couple of things. First
of all, my thoughts are, if this was a balloon,

(11:09):
which I'm sure that's what Mick West is going to say,
why would they waste such an expensive piece of hardware
on it, you know, because that I don't know what
those things cost, but they have to cost a ton
of money and that would just fall into the sea eventually,
So why would they do that unless it was like
another Chinese spy balloon or something like that, which I

(11:32):
think I told you I was right underneath it when
that thing was shot. But anyway, there's a lot of
there's a lot of questions. This is what it brings
up a lot of questions that video, I think.

Speaker 2 (11:44):
I agree. I mean, the thing with the two videos
that were released today during the hearings, you know, the
one in California and now the one near Yemen, off
the coast of Yemen. How come we're still getting great videos?

Speaker 1 (12:02):
You know, these these are flair videos, So that.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
One was I understand that, but I guess I look
at the I side, on the side of the population
here where we have all of these technologies. I mean,
you look at the James Webb telescope where we could
see other universes in clarity, and yet you know this
is like rotary dial telephones on the videos that and

(12:27):
we know the cameras are much better than what they
are on these sophisticated aircraft that are being flown, whether
it's an FA eighteen Super Hornet or whether it's an
F thirty five. You know, we know that they are
out there, we know that they are better. I know
this is part of the conspiracy, part of the problem.

(12:50):
But once again, I mean, it's just it reminds me
of the Tic Tac Go Fast and gimbal. You know,
I found the videos to be very disappointing. Like, here
we go again, you know, the d league type of
videos that we're getting. But I loved what George Knapp
said to Congress today where he said there is like
a treasure trove of servers within the Pentagon that have

(13:16):
hundreds of these type of videos that nobody knows about,
that nobody sees. And the fact that he brought that
up on the hearings today, I thought it was absolutely fantastic.
Because even though I believe that the the you know,
this transparency group which I like to call the conspiracy Club,

(13:37):
comes in and wants to talk about all these subjects,
I often wonder how much how deep are they really going,
how much do they really know. Yes, they've said in skiffs,
Yes they've talked to people behind the scenes. But I
think it's time. I think we're mature enough Martin that
we could handle a better quality video.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Sure, you know that may have been it may have
been taken in tandem with a you know, another camera.
At the same time, I would imagine a lot of
them are by the way, I know what you meant
to say, galaxies not universes. When you said that we
can see our other you well, we may be seeing
other universes. We don't know, you know, it could be
a bunches of them as far as you know the

(14:21):
what do they call that, the brain the other theory
of all the universes out there.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
You know, I'm getting into quantum stuff.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, but yeah, it's uh yeah, well I thought it was.
I liked this hearing better than the last one, and
you know I've been I was in the audience and
the two previous ones. I felt the first one was
very historic, you know, just because it was what it
was for the first time in many many years, the

(14:53):
first one with witnesses under oath. The last one, I
wasn't real thrilled about it, you know, and I froze
to death to be there in the middle of the
middle of the audience this time would have been much
better time a year to be winning in line them
all of the night. But still I kind of regretted
not going. After I watched how it worked today, I

(15:15):
thought it was a good hearing.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
I thought, in my opinion that Dylan Borland and George
Napp stole the show.

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Yeah, Dylan was amazing his testimony, Yeah, the best.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I didn't think that that Wiggins and Null I believe
is the way you pronounced it. I don't, you know,
I think they're pretty I did take notes, like, look,
I actually took notes.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
Oh yeah, you know.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
But I thought Wiggins was interesting because he was on
the US Jackson that got that video and he is
still currently serving. I thought that was really great. But
I don't think him Nicitelli really brought much to the table.
But George Napp, you know, God bless him. You know,
he finally got his his day in court, so to speak,

(16:05):
to talk about this, and I think with the extremely
limited time that he spent with it, he actually you know,
set off some fireworks there. But I was more amazed,
like I'm going to assume you were too, by Dylan Borland.
I mean, this is a gentleman that none of us
have heard of, and literally he has had his life ruin,

(16:27):
his career ruin. The guy is four to six weeks
away from having his employment insurance run out after he's
been blackballed for becoming a whistleblower. On this point, I
talked to someone else this afternoon about this subject about
Dylan Bordon, and he literally said, Dave, that's exactly what

(16:49):
happened to me when I started going he goes, it
costs me a lot of money in my retirement that
I will never ever get back. But I believe in
this subject so much that I was willing to forego
a very comfortable retirement because of it.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
Wow wow, yeah, yeah, I don't know, you know. For
the for the people that have not seen this, I
will link the original stream into the show notes down
below so he can watch it. It's still you know,
it'll be up. I think it'll be up on YouTube
for I don't think there's any reason we would ever
be taken down. So it's definitely worth watching. And as

(17:30):
far as what Dylan's testimony basically is, this object that
he saw, he was only about one hundred feet away
from it distance wise, and over his head. It was
a black triangle the metal. He saw a ninety degree
angle on as it. You know, he could see like

(17:51):
a ninety degree angle. Interestingly, he says it almost looked
like a liquid. There was like a liquid underneath. It
kind of reminded me a little bit of what Jonathan
Wygan talks about the craft that he saw in Peru.
He then said there was a light on each corner
and a larger light in the center. And how many

(18:12):
times have we heard something like that? And then once
it shot up to about the height of a you know,
a commercial aircraft, which is like thirty thousand feet. When
it shot up, there was no sound barrier broken, there
was no air displacement. I mean, how can these things
be explained like that? And the only way he it

(18:34):
looked like a star instantly because he could see the
center light, you know, up above him. And you know,
that's an incredible encounter to me. And he felt as
though the military knew what it was. And that's another
spin on the whole thing.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Yeah, Congressman Perry, I actually wrote that down. Congressman Perry
actually asked Borland, whatever you saw involves the US government.
He says, that is one hundred percent my opinion. Then
and now, so you know, I mean, this is where
the UAP aspect comes into play, and I don't want

(19:13):
to go into that whole UFO versus UAP debate, you know.
And I liked what Tim Burchett said that let's call it.
Can we get back to calling him UFOs? I like
that better. Yeah, I was, you know, I was like
cheering when I when I heard that, you know, just
to bring in a little humor, Martin, because you and
I have talked about that before. But you know, with Borland,
the one thing that for people who don't know, I

(19:36):
got some notes here. I'll just break him down. He's
a former intel specialist for the United States Air Force,
former analyst video expert. He was a whistleblower to Aerow.
And what I got out of it, maybe you did too, Martin,
was that he went through what he was supposed to do,
what it was laid out to him. If you had

(19:57):
an encounter that you couldn't explain that was bothering you
and you wanted to talk about it, everybody said, well,
you need to report this to Arrow, and it just
sounded like after he gave his statement to Arrow, that's
when everybody started throwing him under the bus. And now
he can't get a job, he doesn't get his pension,
he doesn't get anything for doing the proper channels. And

(20:19):
this is a guy who I think you would consider
him a patriot to the United States. He worked hard.
I mean, you don't become an intel specialist for the
Air Force or a video analysis expert if you're a dummy.
You and I couldn't do that. Many other people couldn't
do that. It's not just watching TV, it's analyzing every

(20:42):
frame of every video. And for him to get thrown
under the bus for following proto call, that's the dangerous part.
And that's where he said there's no point in whistleblowers
coming out if we got no protection. And I found
that from all of the speakers outside of George Naw
that it was really trying to force Congress basically saying

(21:05):
we want to come out and speak. There are hundreds
of people like us who want to come out and speak,
but we can't because they saw what happened to David Grush.
They've seen what happened to Dylan Moorland and many others
who have been ostracized because of UFOs. And I thought
that was pretty much the big topic of the day.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Your thoughts, Yeah, absolutely, I'm going to touch on another
thing that I thought was quite a hot topic too,
or interesting phrase. But first of all, just before I forget,
Katie Page is coming up this Thursday at eight pm.
She had to cancel last week and she's on this week,
and I just neglected to say that in the beginning.

(21:49):
I do think that was very much the hot topic
in how you know, kind of what the hearing was about,
you know, transparency and protection for whistleblowers. So I do
believe that, and I sure hope that good things come.
Dylan's his his you know, his way, and he's able
to you know, get his feedback on the ground. But

(22:13):
I thought one of the most profound statements. And before
I forget, I just wanted to say this was Newcicelli
when they asked him how what he felt after he
had his encounter and that he said, well, the first
thing I did is I went inside to see if
anyone was abducted. Did you hear him say that?

Speaker 2 (22:35):
You know what? I missed that part? Yeah, I miss
damn it. I'm sorry it's that part.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Yeah. So yeah, I thought that was profound and it
was like came out of nowhere, you know, I mean
I and nobody even followed up on that. You know,
you would think someone would say, well, can you elaborate
a little more on that, or but yeah, that was
quite a statement.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
The other thing that I noticed was and it started
with Anna Paulina Luna really cracking down, calling doctor Sean
Kirkpatrick a liar, and it seemed like everybody just jumped
on that bandwagon that Arrow needs to go in the garbage,
that it needs to be disbanded or completely revamped again.

(23:20):
That it seems I believe the quote was it was
some sort of where did I put it here? Arrow
is acting like a counter intelligence to the American system,
And George Knapp has stated that, and that you know,
he brought up the names Bob Jacobs and Robert Sala

(23:42):
how Aero completely dismissed their stories. And so people like
NAP were saying, what is the purpose of Arrow if
all they are doing is shooting down everybody's testimony, which
is affecting their lives.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
And also, if you remember Kirkpatrick before he left office,
he said that he's not he had not heard from
any firsthand witnesses, and that was as big a BS
as there is.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Well there's and to take that a little further from
these talks, there's photographic evidence of that. When when he
was denying that he ever met privately to talk about
Skinwalker Ranch with Brandon Fugel, and Fugel was like, we
got you on camera, dude, Yeah, you know right then,

(24:31):
and then you know, showed the receipts of the photos
on X And it's amazing to me that that there's
people out there who are still supporting doctor Sean Kirkpatrick
after he was caught lying. He's been caught lying so
many times, and yet these people still believe that he

(24:52):
was actually, you know, doing his job properly. I mean,
I don't get that. I have a daytime job. If
I lined as much as kirk Patrick, I'd be fired,
you know, I wouldn't be gone with a pension. I
would be fired.

Speaker 1 (25:07):
Well, I think AAR is like window dressing. It's it
was there to try to it's it's kind of like
it's to calm the public or whatever. You know, like
things seemed to be moving too fast. We better put
this together and kind of you know, cushion it kind
of arbitrate some of this and all that. So that's
my you know opinion that because I don't think they

(25:31):
I think part of them was serious, but not all
the way through, you know, like there the website was interesting.
I haven't looked out on it lately, but there were
some things that I thought, well, maybe they are making
some type of effort, but I really, I really, I
really don't think so. I mean, I had Tim Phillips
on the show, the acting director after and I thought

(25:52):
he was pretty genuine more, you know, considering he followed Kirkpatrick.
He didn't have a word to say about any of
Kirkpatrick's work, which of course you know he wouldn't being
in his position. And shortly after he was fired for
doing podcasts with myself and other people.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
You got him fired.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Shame I did, well, shame of you. But yeah, hopefully
he won't someone with all his years, I'm sure his
pension won't be affected in any type of way. I
don't think so. I'm sure he'll be fine.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Hope not. I hope, yeah, you know, I mean, I
wouldn't know what it would be like to go under
the stress of knowing that let's say you worked for
the United States government for twenty five thirty years, and
you know, because you see a UFO when you report it,
that everything collapses on top of you because you're you're

(26:45):
you join the UFO world. I mean that just I
took that really, really hard. But you know, one of
the things that I did notice about this thing, and
you know, being a fellow journalist, I've never been as
good as George Knapp, you know, I was never an
investment I want to clarify, I was never an investigative journalist.

(27:06):
I was just I was a sports journalist. I was
the dude who literally when after a football game or
a hockey game, you see all the media kind of
scrumming in there with their microphones. That was me. That's
that's what I did. And and well I got to
see a lot of free sports games and play a
lot of free golf. Man, so it was worth it
on that end. But the big thing for me with

(27:28):
George Knapp was how many Easter eggs he laid out
that nobody caught onto, you know, whether it was the
Bob Lazaar story, whether it was you know, dropping names
like Bob Jacobs or Michael Sala. Right at the end,
he was asked about who are the gatekeepers and everybody
is sitting silent there, and all of a sudden nap,

(27:49):
you just you can see him kind of saying, well,
screw this, you know, and he mentioned two names, doctor
James James Ryder from Lockheed Martin, which he threw, he
threw right in their faces a couple of times, Lockey
Martin and then from the CIA, Glenn Gaffney. I mean,
these are names where you know, for people like you
and me, we're gonna have to look these up to

(28:11):
find out, you know, who these people are, what are
they all about, and what was their role. But when
you're in that deep like George Knappis, and you have
names and you get called to Congress as a journalist,
he's protected under I believe that. I think it's the
Fourth Amendment down there is this amendment.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
When it's journalism. I'm not sure whoa. We have the
Second Amendment, but that's you know, freedom of speech, but
I don't know what the fourth.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
I think I think journalism is the Fourth Amendment or
something like that. Please correct me if I'm wrong. You know,
I'm just a Canadian guy, so you know. But he
also threw out Robert Bigelow's name a couple of times,
and we have not heard Robert Bigelow be part of
any of these discussions up until this date. I thought

(29:04):
it was fantastic and I think, you know, if they
end up doing more hearings, I would love to see them.
You know, se question Robert Bigelow. Let's see what Bigelow
has to say.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
It says it's under the First Amendment. That protects also, yes,
so thank you. Yeah. But anyway, yeah, I thought I
thought I was really you know, at first, I thought,
you know, why is George Knapp on this list? You know,
I was thinking that first, and then he really really

(29:38):
did an amazing job. I thought, I was really impressed with,
you know, with and you know, I had a little
bit of a beef against him because I had an
interview set up with him when I was out in
Phoenix and I waited for over an hour. I kept
texting him, and finally he said, who are you anyway?

(29:59):
And I said, what, I'm the one who connected you
with Chris Mellan, I'm the one who connected you with
this person that person. And he goes, will you do
do a show on UFOs? I said yeah, you know
at the time he said yeah for ten years And
I was like, but someone stopped him in the hallway
and he decided to get interviewed by them when he

(30:20):
left me waiting there. But anyway, I'm over it. He
proved himself today and so I think he did a
wonderful job. I'm really glad he was there and said
what he did today. Now there was the Russian documents
and that was really interesting last week. Last week I

(30:41):
had two people on who opera singer Natalia Stico, whose
father had all these Russian documents that talk about it
looks like reverse engineering UFOs from whenever in the nineties
or whenever. It was all documented, all handwriting and all
types of mathematicals and things like that. So that's very interesting.

(31:02):
And George was not really interested in looking at them.
I don't really know why. I think they're really quite
as sounding.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
Well, it was amazing how he got the paperwork out
because the Russias apparently only stamped the top page as
being top secret, so he ripped the top pages off
and then you know, put a couple of jars a
caviar over the paperwork in his suitcase to kind of
it on the way home. And that's the way he
got this paperwork out. But he was talking to a

(31:33):
doctor Boris Sokolov, it is his name, And apparently this
doctor Sokolov got in big trouble after NAP came out
saying that he got UFO classified documents out of Russia.
You know, so we what he did say was that
Russia was doing the exact same thing as the United States,

(31:55):
where they were trying to reverse engineer craft, trying to
rebuild the technology, but much like the US government was
not having any success at that point. You know, but
this is going back what twenty years ago now or
whatever it may be. You know, I was a little
disappointed that they focused in on the Russian documents. I

(32:15):
didn't think that they were that they were imperative for
today's conversation. You know, there was a great dog I
wrote this down specifically because there was great dialogue between
Tim Bershett and George Napp when Burshett basically said, what
do we got to do to get this out? And
and Napp said, unleash the dogs and go track down

(32:39):
the money and see where it goes.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
That's right, he goes money.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
A lot of this stuff has been moved out of government.
It's been given a private contractors who stashed it away,
have had it for so long there's nobody left inside
the government or very few who even know where it is.
And then Burshett follows up as is to keep it
all out of or keep it all from Foya, and

(33:04):
Nap agreed on that. He said, the contractors are setting
their own standards about who is allowed to know what
and finds it that is a very small group that
are actually making these decisions on the UFO story for
the American public.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Hmmm. Fascinating. Yeah. Yeah, all really really great, really great
stuff all the way around. So yeah, if anyone, we're
going to move on to uh, I'd like to talk
about our next topic. So anyone in the chat, if
you have questions for us tonight, please do put them
in caps and thank you all for being here. So Tim,

(33:46):
Tim is saying hi to you, Dave Anonymous res Yes, Yeah,
he's a he's a big fan of yours. Uh from
out in your direction right well in Seattle.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Tim's just he's an Oregon Yeah, he's in Oregon. But
Tim actually came up here in twenty twenty three. And
we're going to get into the flight twenty one topic here.
And if I don't know, if you talk with Tim privately, Martin,

(34:21):
but Tim will never go back to that location.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Oh, on that island wherever it is, right off of Seattle.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
No, this is my location that we are investigating up here.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
Oh just just a second, Okay, we'll get back to that.
But I just want to pull this question up that
Polly put here any info on the CIA guy that
naps a name dropped And yes, I have to say
that someone wrote me very very recently about and dropped
this CIA agent's name and said he was very involved
in the UFO topic. But I have not had time

(34:58):
to even look into him. What is his last name.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
Again, Gaffney, Glenn Gaffney.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
Glenn Gaffney. So someone had written me recently and I'm
talking within a week this person's name, because I recognized
it as soon as he said it. But I'm not sure.
I don't really know anything about him, but I know
there'll be people looking now to find out what he's about.
So so yes, so Tim will never go back to

(35:26):
that island again. No, I did not know that. And
actually I'm going to be talking to him in the
next couple of days.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Yeah, ask him about it. Ask Tim. Actually, after a
two year voice of silence, he actually came on my
show a couple of months ago and we talked about
the subject on air and and what scared him was
a UFO encounter and alien beings on the ground.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
I don't know if I had talked to him about
he's been on my show, but I can't remember if
he actually make.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Sure, you hit that up. I know he's he's probably
like Gees, Dave's shut up right now, shut up. You know,
it's an amazing story, very much.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
So right right, Well I'm going to get him back
on the show and have him talk about it.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
So good.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Well, well we'll all be talking about that soon. So anyway, yeah,
let's hear. Okay, So I wanted to find out when
you mentioned that you've been doing an investigation. So this
basically an overview. There was a Canadian Pacific Airlines flight
twenty one. It was a Douglas DC six B that
crashed after an in flight explosion in the left lavatory

(36:37):
near one hundred mile house Dog Creek area, British Columbia.
All fifty two occupants, forty six passengers and six crew perished.
So anyway, that's what happened, but it's basically what's happened
after in that area that you've been investigating.

Speaker 2 (36:53):
Right. We first investigated flight twenty one back in twenty
eighteen where my paranormal friend we call them Merle from
Paranormal Road Rivers out of Vancouver. We still think to
this day it may have been the first ever paranormal
investigation at the Flight twenty one crash site. Now, getting
there is difficult because it is I'm trying to translating

(37:18):
from kilometers to miles. It's about thirty miles from here
from where I am right now. And we went there
to try and and you know, see what was happening
with the spirits and ghosts that are still there. Maybe
there was, and that day ended up being a much

(37:38):
different change of my life and Merle's life and our
friend Mark's life because we actually ended up being chased
out of the forest by sasquatch that day.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
And I have not a visual, but was there a visual?

Speaker 2 (37:57):
We heard them talk, we heard them move around us
the area where this is Martin. You have to understand,
and I don't say this out of big nerance or
anything like that, but most people have never been deep
in a forest. Okay, where I live. I live in

(38:19):
a town of twenty five hundred people. You mentioned one
hundred milehouse. There's about twenty five hundred people in my area.
The majority of those people don't even know where Flight
twenty one is. And you have to drive deep into
the forest to the southwest of town. And this plane crash,
I mean, there's still debris there. They went and brought

(38:42):
back some of the debris after they did the investigation
because family said, can you leave us something of a
memorial here that we could come back to a year
after year. In July fifth or July eighth of this year,
it was the sixtieth anniversary of that plane crash. So
we have been going up there for a few years

(39:05):
now trying to figure out the whole sasquatch thing, And
it really started taking off in twenty twenty three when
Tim was up here. And it is very much a
location that has a lot of high strangeness to it,
and Martin, I would tell you point blank that I

(39:27):
believe this is another version of Skinwalker Ranch.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Yeah, we have. It's very difficult to talk about sometimes, okay,
but we have had UFO encounters. We've had a UFO landing.
We've had the aliens walking through the trees. We've been
escorted out of the forest twice by sasquatch. We've had

(39:56):
sightings of sasquatch in the area, just brief climpses. We've
had ghost activity, we've caught EVPs. The scariest thing that's
happened to me there with my research partner Tim James.
Different Tim was earlier this year. We actually probably what

(40:17):
twelve weeks ago now, we actually feel that we were
being lured into the forest by a skin walker or
a wind to go by them mimicking a woman's voice
saying help me, I'm over here, help me. There are
no people where we are. There is one way in

(40:38):
and one way out, and it is a goat trail
to get there. You could just get a vehicle through there.
And it's one of these areas, Martin, where you wish
you were exaggerating, because everybody's always like, oh, I've got
next the great hot spot for hauntings, or I've got
that area for bigfoot, or or you know, I've got

(41:00):
that skinwalker ranch. It's easy to throw out those examples,
but to actually be there and take part in it,
like we do every week we go up there. It's
different every week, and it will. There's been times when
we've been scared out, and there's been times where we
were like, hey, that was a cool night, and yet

(41:22):
we keep going, Well, it's a very.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Long there you go there every week or saying yes, oh,
that's dedication.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
We do it for two reasons. Number one, how this
all started was last year in twenty twenty four. We
went back and we filmed in that area again when
we got escorted out of the forest at about one
o'clock in the morning. But we figure the one got
within about twenty yards of us. It is pitch black there, okay,

(41:53):
there is no city lights, there's no light pollution, there's
nothing outside of the stars and moon and the flashlights
that you have. There is no light out there, and
we figure the one got within about twenty yards of
our team basically telling us to get out. And how
we knew they followed us out was when we started

(42:15):
to drive away. Right behind us, there were high pitch
whistles kind of like they were signaling that okay, they're gone.
I mean it is active. Now. My theory on it
is that the crash site was the cause. But what
is the effect of what's going on? Like I'm not
there and we're not there to try and solve the

(42:37):
mystery because this case is still actually an open investigation.
It is Canada's largest unsolved mass murder. That is, you know,
that's sixty years old and I don't think they'll ever
solve who was the one who actually detonated the bomb
or put the bomb on board. They have four suspects,

(42:58):
but they've never been able to arep That is, Royal
Canadian mount of Police have never been able to pinpoint
who actually did it. And maybe one day the technology
will be there where it will be a close case.
But we don't investigate the crash site. We're not there
to try and find the who, what where, who done
it kind of thing. We're not the Sherlock Holmes of

(43:20):
the area. We're there because we're trying to figure out
why is this high strangeness going on in this area
of tragedy. Now, my personal WU opinion of it is
I believe that Sasquatch is watching over the spirits there.
We know that there are spirits there. We've caught them

(43:41):
on tape. We've even had one name mentioned on a
recording a couple of years ago. But I don't think
and maybe I'm romanticizing it. I don't know. I could be.
It's my first ever investigation that I'm doing. What I'm
doing and what Tim is doing, we don't know because

(44:02):
we've never been investigators or researchers before. Okay, we're just
out there trying to figure out what is going on
and why it is happening, you know, and it's an
amazing place.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
Wow, And how did you first? You know, I put
the coordinates in just a minute ago because that's what
you know I found online. But how did you? Oh,
there's tags there with the victim's name right on the location,
is that right?

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yes? Yeah, where the plane the main plane hit the ground.
Its shattered a tree, and on that tree they've actually
got named the initial name tags of each initial of
the person that was on there. So at the main
crash site, you have the cockpit, you have one of

(44:51):
the engine cowlings, you have the landing year in two
different places. There's a bunch of debris out there. There's
the wings and the tail section are about a kilometer off.
So what's a kilometer kilometers? About one one point six or.

Speaker 1 (45:13):
One mile the one the other way around? Yeah, to
one pilot, it's like a three quarter or a half mile.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Yeah, so we we do. I've never found I've tried
looking for them. I've never found them. They've been painted
camouflage because too many airplanes flying over were reporting the
crash debris.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
They never retrieved it. Huh.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
The wings and the tail section they left there because
they were too basic to see. At the time of
the crash, there was no logging roads out there. There
was no logging roads out there. It had started a
forest fire. Many people in my community watched the plane
come down, including a lot of the forest rangers who

(45:57):
were still sitting on top of the You know they
have the forest ranger buildings on top of mountains and hills.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Yeah, the fire towers, the fire towers, and.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
So a couple of them saw that. I know a
guy personally who watched the plane come down.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
And then the then the community raced out there with
with backos and bulldozers and everything, cutting a trail right
toe to get to the crash site. And when they
got there, the fire was pretty much out. And one
witness told me that her well, she wasn't a witness,

(46:38):
her grandfather was part of the recovery crew when they
went in there looking for the bodies, and they just
saw He said it was the most disgusting thing he's
ever seen. There was body parts all over the place.
And I'm gonna sound really grotesque here for a second,
but I think it's imperative as part of the story.
One of the things that he witnessed was on one

(47:00):
of the trees. He said it had intestines from people
hanging off the branches like tinsel awful. And when you
walk into this one area, you actually will see the
chairs that were on the plane now that you can't

(47:21):
see the padding or anything, but you see the metal
of the chairs and there's probably a dozen or two
chairs out there that you can still see. And you're like,
man like, this is where these people died, you know,
And and what a horrific, a horrific thing to go
that way, and there's nobody in that area to rescue

(47:42):
you because there's no roads. It was straight forests at
that time, and it's still straightforest. It just has logging
roads on it now. So it's a very solemn place
and it's very castrophobic. It's and I encourage your listeners
if you don't shameless plug here. Tim James and I

(48:04):
on my YouTube channel, spaced Out Radio, we've actually been
recording videos that we put out every couple of weeks
in a section called Secrets of the Forest. Now, I
do want to forewarn people we are amateurs. We have
no major production going on. Okay, we're literally filming off

(48:25):
a go Pro and an iPhone in four k Okay.
So that's how we're filming. And we have strange anomalies
that are happening all the time around us, and unfortunately
a lot of the times you miss it because there's
only two of us. I don't have a giant team
to draw from, you know. And we've had a couple

(48:49):
people try, but they've already been scared out.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Yeah. I don't think I don't think i'd want to
be on that team. Actually, I'm a big chicken.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
A couple of stuff, Martin. It's fun, it's fun.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
My only you know, Like I went with the Tedesco
brothers out on Long Island and sat and watched them
with their equipment. That's my type of But not going
deep in the woods, no, thank you. In the woods
there the old growth. Yeah, you know, there's beautiful, beautiful
forests up in that area, but and there's a lot

(49:24):
of it, which is just you can get lost pretty
easy in places like that. So here's a question.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Go ahead, Yeah, please, you have a question.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
Oh, here's a question here. What is the freakyst thing
that happened to you so far?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Thank you? T Bone and I miss you, buddy. It
is probably the voices in the forest. I've been scared.
I've been scared there twice, like really scared twice. Martin.
That night when we had the voices, we actually, you know,
we got startled by something running through the trees literally

(50:03):
maybe forty feet from us. Okay, And this is an
area just so you know, we have to be armed.
We are armed in there. A lot of bigfoot hunters
will say, hey, man, they don't like guns. Well we
know that, but we actually you have to take guns
in there. That area has grizzly bears, black bears, world

(50:27):
record sized cougars, wolf packs, moose. People don't know, but
the main killer wild animal killer in North America is
the moose. It kills more people than bears and wolves combine.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
And we have no idea.

Speaker 2 (50:47):
Yeah, and we have we have you know, fifteen and
eighteen pound moose running around our forest. You know, I mean,
especially at this time a year, when we're just about
a month and a half away from the rut, you know,
it gets a little scary out there. So we have
to go in arm. Like give you an example. The

(51:09):
first night we went out there filming back in May,
literally we put our pointy sticks away, and three minutes
after that, I watched a cougar run right across a trail,
saw the back end and the tail running right across
the trail from us, And this was maybe forty five

(51:30):
feet away, Like you have to be careful. Never mind
having to do with the Bigfoot. But this time when
we had the the uh, I don't know if it
was a wind to go or a skin walker that
was trying to lure us into the trees. And it
was all monotone voice. It was like help me. I'm

(51:53):
over here, can you help me? And this went on
and on and on, and I looked over at Tim
and I said, dude, we ain't going over there, man,
I said, I've seen way too much David Politis stuff
to know that this is how people go missing. And
we went down one little trail that actually leads to

(52:15):
the crash site, and just so we could hear it
a little bit clearer, and it actually the voice actually moved,
So if we were up here at high noon, this
one was like down, well, let's see that's on my side.
We'll go over here. It was like at four o'clock
over here. Then the sound moved up to three o'clock
to be like even with us. This lady's voice helped me.

(52:37):
I'm over here. And where I knew it wasn't human
was when it said I love you over here, and
then it all of a sudden changed to a man's voice.
We're over here. Can you help us?

Speaker 1 (52:53):
We're over Did you have a mindfulness to have a
recorder going? Were we were able to catch any of this?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
We had microphone going, but it was so far off
in the distance our microphones weren't strong enough to pick
it up like we would have needed. We would have
needed a parabolic microphone to hear it, Like we could
barely hear it with our ears over top of the
tenatus that's in our ears.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
H Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
And then so I looked over at Tim and I said,
you want to go, And he's like, I'm like, I
have no problem leaving because the one rule that him
and I have is if we're not feeling it, that
person can overrule the other person to leave. And Tim's
like no, yeah, Tim's like no, let's push this a

(53:39):
little bit. So we went back. We sit Tim down.
We do what we call the Estes method, where you
blindfold and you put noise canceling headphones on listening to
a radio signal. And one of the beautiful parts about
our area, Martin, is we have zero radio signal. There
are zero radio stations being picked up in my area, okay, zero.

(54:03):
So it's all white noise on the FM dial going okay.
And so a lot of people will say, well, you're
just hearing DJ's and commercials and using that as ghost voices.
We have nothing out there, nothing, You're not picking up
a radio station whatsoever. You don't even get cell phone
signal out there. Like it's just amazing. So Tim sits

(54:27):
down and I'm kind of asking Tim some questions, and
within a couple seconds he starts getting responses, and after
a couple of minutes it starts getting very vulgar, a
lot of f words being dropped. And then all of
a sudden, I hear the lady's voice. Now remember we're
up here. The lady's voice now moves over here and

(54:49):
is closer to us, going help me. I'm over here,
can you help me? And in the meantime, Tim gets
this man his voice in the headphones saying, Dave, I
know you? I said, where do you know me? From?
In your dreams. I'm like, oh god, right, she's that's

(55:17):
probably the scariest.

Speaker 1 (55:19):
The second I would say, I'd be so out of
there so quickly you just see a street.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
And it was a real cool scary. A friend of mine, Lollie,
who is really struggling about going back there right now.
She's First Nations. She came up there and Tim couldn't
make it that weekend, so it's just Lollie and I
and we have no cameras, nothing. We figured, you know what,
let's give them a break, let's not film anything, and

(55:48):
let's just see how this goes. So as one, the
one pattern that we've learned is that things start to
happen at dusk, and we get to dusk and all
of a sudden, all these stands up. She's got her
drum with her, and she's like, do you mind if

(56:08):
I sing a song and drum. She goes, I really
feel like I need to do this. I'm like, yeah, please,
like go ahead, you know. So she sings this beautiful
indigenous song and she's drumming along with it, and she
sits down and I can't understand it because I'm not
First Nations. I don't speak her dialect. I only speak

(56:29):
one night language in English. And she goes, she sits down,
and I'm like, was that a welcoming song? I said,
it really felt like it was a welcoming song, and
she goes, yeah, she goes, I was just welcoming in
all the elders and the spirits and everything. And she
takes the deep breath, she puts the drum on her
on her knee, and she's just kind of just relaxing,

(56:50):
and we're like, that was just so beautiful. And all
of a sudden, probably forty yards into the trees around us,
it was like somebody took a Louisville slugger to a tree.
It was like bang bang on this tree, and it
made me jump up and what hell is this going
on right now? Like I've never I've heard tree knocks before.

(57:11):
I've never heard tree knocks that cloaks man.

Speaker 1 (57:14):
Nevertheless, that's that's scary. I guess they didn't want to
be welcomed.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
I think they were just letting us know of their
presence because they have fun with us. Do we have
time for one more story?

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah? Yeah, go ahead, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So this past Sunday we went there and this will
come out. I'm filming a couple of weeks, but Tim
and I go in there and it was like we
were playing hide and go seek with them. And we
have a gifting site tree out there that has some
articles that were trying to trade with them. They seem

(57:51):
to like coins, and so we've got this giant tree
that we use as a gift excite. This thing's probably
one hundred one hundred foot tall fir tree. It's just beautiful.
And we walk into that area and it just feels
like there is something big watching us. And if you

(58:13):
know anything about everything having an energetic symbol, when you're
in the forest, you really pick up on nature. You
can tell when something's watching you. You get the hebgb's,
the goosebumps on the arms or going up your back
of your neck, and you're trying through your rolodex, your
mental rolodex. Okay, I've felt what it's like to be

(58:34):
around deer. I felt what it's like to be around
a cat. I felt what it's like to be around
a bear. You know, because they all give off like
different energy signatures. And believe it or not, everybody can
pick this up. If you're in the area you just
not in just that area, but anywhere you are. And
so we end up walking around and I say to Tim, man,

(58:55):
there is something big out here. So we go a
little bit deeper into the forest and Tim kind of
looks back to his left and he sees this white thing,
probably the size of a wolf, all of a sudden
run through this treed area and we're like. Tim's like,
I think there's I think we got wolves here, man.
I think we're surrounded by wolves. And I'm like, okay,

(59:16):
well we're armed. Wolves aren't going to do anything to us.
They're just going to watch us, right, And if the
big guy comes, well he'll have to eat a little lead.
That's just just the way it is. And so I said, well,
let's go check it out. So we start making a
beeline to that trail. And we get about twenty feet

(59:37):
towards the trail, which is still another sixty seventy feet away,
and Tim's like, let's stop right here. He goes, Dave,
we can't go this way because that thing, the trail
that it took off down, which we've been on that
trail before. He goes, that will put it behind us
on our exit. That's not safe. So I said, okay, well,
let's go back to the gifting site and make our

(59:59):
way around to it. So that's what we do. And
as we're on our way there, Tim is out of
the corner of his eye all of a sudden, he goes, oh, jeezus, Courts.
You know, he's flipping out because in that area now,
as we're making our way to that trail, excuse me,
he sees something big and brown take off into this meadow.

(01:00:23):
And it's a small meadow. It's only my I don't know,
forty feet by seventy feet. You know, it's very small.
And so I said, Tim, that is where a couple
of weeks previous, we walked into that area Martin. We
couldn't breathe, Like it was like there was no oxygen

(01:00:45):
in this level in the area.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Wow, that's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Yeah, So we go into that meadow we can breathe,
and Tim starts looking around trying to figure out the direction.
I said, okay, let's look at where where's the exit
points here? So we found the exit points. Once to
the left where we just came in. Another one is
to the left but just kind of goes in on
an angle. One is straight ahead of us, but it

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would have to climb over a bunch of down trees,
which we would have hoped probably heard, and there's an
exit point to the right, so we're looking through this.
Tim looks straight ahead and about one hundred feet away
he sees this head right, this face, right beside a tree,
and then it disappears in behind the tree, right and

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it never came back out. So I kind of make
my way down there a little bit because I guess
I'm brave and I'm stupid, right and well as far
as I could go. And at that same point, Tim
starts hearing noise to his left and he looks over
and there is now a conical shaped head and the shoulders,

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and when Tim made eye contact with it, all of
a sudden, the head and the shoulders just dropped right
down and this thing disappeared. So we went back to
where that one was where Tim had seated, and lo
and behold, it's right beside our gifting site. So it
was like they were playing and it was such fun energy.

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And I know that sounds weird, but it's kind of
like when you were playing Hide and go seek with
the kids, your kids, where it's like Okay, I'm gonna
find you. Where are you? And you know you're looking
for me and you can't find them even though you
see their toes dipping out from the behind the curtains. Okay,
it was kind of like that. There was just just
real fun energy about it. But when we got back
to the gifting site, all of a sudden, it was like, oh, man,

(01:02:41):
they don't want us here anymore. And I started having
that feeling, I said. I looked at Tim and I said, Tim,
I think they brought us back here because this is
familiar area number one, it's a safe zone number two,
but number three, I said, I just get this feeling
in my stomach that they they're like, okay, fun is over.

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It's time for you guys to go back to your vehicle,
because we have a little base cam set up there
with lawn chairs and a table, and he goes, I
think it's that. I think that's what it is. Is
they're just trying to get us to go back to
our vehicle because maybe they want to move around or
whatever it may be. And Tim's like, he goes, weird,

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you say that, man, He goes, I'm getting that feeling too,
So we really trust, our instincts and our feelings on this.
We've recently introduced trail cams there. Yeah, and we're going
to be doing that a little bit more. But right
now we're taking things really slow Martin, because what we're
trying to do is if the Sasquatch are there, we're

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trying really hard to build a trust with them. You know,
and you talk to a lot of Sasquatch researchers. They
don't like trail cams, they don't like any sort of
camera equipment. I don't like guns. Well, geez, we have camera.
We have a trail cam, and we have a gun. Okay,
like we're zero for three so far. But we're trying

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really hard not to rush into any sort of communication.
We want them to know that we're here for the
long haul. And you know, it's a fun side project
to do that. We're just having fun as two guys
in their fifties, you know, documenting this like like children
going in a haunted house.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, how about that? Hey, So I'm going to pop
up one more question before we close for the night.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
It's this one, and I just had to choose one.
Sorry for all those people that ask questions. I do
appreciate it, and I do appreciate you being here live.
Have you looked into other instances where witnesses have reported
a bigfoot type creature associated with UFO landing?

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Thank you, Chris, Yes, so, thank you Chris. Yes, I
have it. A lot of people I will talk to,
especially what I'm hosting, is have you seen any occurrences
of UFOs and sasquatch brought together? And because the one
thing that I've learned over it probably the last five
to seven years, is that a lot of this phenomena

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is tied together. It's not just the you know, the
bigfoot people are over here, the paranormal people are over here,
and the WU psychic intuitives are over here. That we
all have these eclectic areas that don't congregate together. And
I think that's the wrong stigma that we were doing.
I believe that the entire phenomena has everything under its belt.

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Flight twenty one really encapsulates that where we have the paranormal,
we have the cryptids, we have the UFOs, we have
the aliens, we have the mind speak going on, we
have all of this weird, high strangeness going on, and
it's all in an area less than the size of
a foot ball field, and here we are kind of

(01:06:04):
bouncing everything together trying to figure out. One thing I
would like to add, though it's a little off topic
from the question, is a lot of the skeptics out
there will say, well, you know that, how do you
know it's a sasquatch. You people always go towards the
sasquatch or the ghosts or the aliens first and foremost,

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and that the reality is that we don't. We are
looking for logic first. If you're not looking for logic first,
you can't rule it out. But what we are doing
is keeping an open mind that it can be that way. Example,
we have found these two footprints. We've only seen two

(01:06:45):
of them, and they are literally like giant duck prints there.
And we found two of them. They were about ninety
yards apart, just too And I've been talking around and
a friend of mine all of a sudden says, you know,

(01:07:07):
I was reading an article the other day about local history,
and apparently other people have found these these duck prints,
these giant duck prints that are you know, they're probably
eighteen inches long and probably ten inches wide at the top,
twelve inches wide at the top. I've never seen it before.
I don't know what it is. I mean, it's howard

(01:07:29):
to duck out there. I don't know, right, you know.
So it's bizarre, man. But we find footprints almost every
time we're there, you know. And it's not we can't
cast any of them because the ground is so dry
and hard there. Probably find footprints probably well. Last this

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past weekend we did. That was probably one of two
times since May that we haven't found prints there.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
Wow. Well, Dave, thanks so much. It's been a real
pleasure to have you on the show tonight, Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:08:07):
You are one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:08:08):
Thank you, Thank you. I appreciate it. So we'll be
talking real soon.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
Look forward to it, my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:17):
All right, you take care take care.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Of my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
All right, everyone, So check out this Thursday night right
here on this YouTube channel or if you're in the
podcast feed, we have Katie Paige going to be talking
about her experience at the ranch in Colorado. Thanks so
much everyone for being here and listening, watching, et cetera.
And we'll see you soon. Keep your eyes to the