September 16, 2025 • 40 mins
Note: Power outage and phone issue, but still worth a listen) In this episode, Martin Willis welcomes one of Australia’s leading ufologists, Bill Chalker. Bill has been investigating UFOs for over five decades, beginning with the remarkable wave of sightings near his hometown of Grafton, New South Wales in the late 1960s. With a science background in chemistry and mathematics, Bill brings a rigorous analytical approach to the UFO mystery. He has served as the Australian representative for APRO, the NSW representative for MUFON, and the coordinator of the long-running UFO Investigation Centre (UFOIC).
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Hello, and welcome to the show. A Martin Willershure host.
I'm real excited about our guest tonight, Bill Chalker. He's
been a UFO researcher for many, many years, going all
the way back to the late nineteen sixties in Australia.
He's got quite a reputation and a really good man
(00:46):
of integrity. So I've been really wanting to get him
on for a long time and it finally happened. And
so just a couple of things here. The blog this
week from Charles Lear is a nineteen eighty one Men
and Black report from British Columbia, Canada, so check that
out on our website PODCASTUFO dot com. Couple of things.
(01:09):
The guests coming up this Thursday in a couple of days.
Tim Ventura, he does a podcast of his own. He's
a futurist. I thought he's done a great job interviewing people,
and anyway, he agreed to be on the show. Next Tuesday,
a week from tonight, we have Dave Marler, always a
(01:29):
great guest. I'm looking forward to have him on. And
next Thursday we have Travis Walton. He'll be on talking
about an upcoming event. Actually that I'm going to be
going to and that is in Sedona, Arizona. That's coming
up and I'm going to be attending that, and that's
October seventeenth through the twentieth. Be up in Shag Harbor
(01:52):
at the Shag Harbor UFO Incident Conference that's coming up
in just a few weeks here. And that's October third
through the fifth up in your Armouth, Nova, Scotia. So
I'll be the EMC there this year. Last time last
year when I was up there, a few people came
(02:14):
just to visit and that was a lot of fun.
I remember Rudy from Virginia follow up there just so
we could have a couple of conversations. And anyway, it's
always fun, great people up there. Always looking forward to
that and a shout out to all the people that
help out UFO. Jack always helps me out. We were
(02:34):
just down in Newburyport, Massachusetts with Mac Maloney. We did
his pre corded, pre recorded show for next week, so
I think it's called Military UFO Files with Mac Maloney.
That was a lot of fun. Always a lot of
fun with Mac. And so I think that is about
it and it's time for me. I just have to
(02:55):
say real quickly that Bill Charker our guest tonight. It's
today for him, and you'll see him on his porch.
There was a kouka barra there. There's a parrot just screeched.
So we're going to have to I think it's adressing
and fun. But his power went out. The whole neighborhood.
His power went out about an hour ago, and so
(03:16):
he's on his phone and cross your fingers hopefully it
will go smoothly. But we get to look at his
beautiful backyard and hear the great birds. So here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Hello Bill, I'm good to you, so.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Nice to have you. I like I told you offline.
You know, my blogger has written about you a number
of times in your great research work, and so we
all appreciate good, solid work, and I hope you know
that continues in the future. You know, we had we
have people here that do research, really great research, like
(03:51):
Dave Marler for one, who's coming on next week. We had,
you know, Stanton Friedman, and you know, I kind of
think of you as a non vocal Stanton Friedman type
of guy, someone that really does really good research. And
I know you don't do the lectures like he did.
But anyway, I did.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I did actually lecture with stan uh Stanton in China
Dalians back in I think it was a fall. I
think China, oh wow, so that was a lot of fun.
But China has their iron stall of you. If I
conference experience, I bet it would be.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I used to be in touch with a college professor
there and he's disappeared off the face of the earth.
But he used to keep me up to date of
what was going on in UFOs in China, and.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I can't eat uh.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Nope, uh no. He was a English he was from
England and he was a professor in China, and uh yeah,
I think yep, yeah, real, real, nice guy and he
was pretty involved. But anyway, he's just disappeared, unfortunately. But anyway, yeah,
UFOs are different there, I'm sure. But you know, it's funny.
(05:10):
It's a worldwide situation. And while I might as well
ask Charles Lear, the blogger that you know thinks a
lot of you, he asked this question, why does it
seem that Australian the Australian government seems to be the
most hostile to the subject, followed close by by England
(05:32):
and so he's basically asking why the Government of Australia
is so do you consider them hostile against the topic.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, there certainly was a UFI program or you will
fine investigation since they did it at HO why again
by back in.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
The norne fifties and it was fund of on going.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But then they tried to increase the level of because
essentially our Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force was
the main, I guess center of involvement there. But they
seems to have been involved from a number of different
arms of Australian government and military intelligence.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Can go into that in great detail, but certainly in
the in the last five teen years, basically a variety
and characteristics seems to be that the Australian government has
the head in the sand and seem to be deferring
to the United States, and they're part of the Five
(06:38):
Guys kind of worldwide military intelligence kind of sharing programs,
and one would expect that they are a part of
it and are aware of what the United States government's
doing on the UFO so I did subject, But it's
kind of a bit of a mixed bag. There's been
(07:04):
a number of different briefing documents that have come out
that where they're sort of carefully trying to attempt to
obscure the fact that there is some interest.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's even denying that they've participated in.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Five Eyes type meetings on the uf UAC subjects and
actually denied that in public and then they had to
retract that and said that they had center representatives that
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So it's a bit of a you know, I've been
there and seen.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That before, particularly with the variable nature of the RBS
role in the UFO subjects as well. There's a good
docent I produced that I've had on the web since
about nineteen ninety nine, which is called.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
UFO sub Ros Are down Under.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's about one hundred page documents and it summarizes, I
guess mainly the rf role in the UFOs. I beg
here in Australia that's the Royal Australian Air Force and
so there's a lot of a lot of history. But
what I did find I got access to the government
(08:13):
files back in nineteen eighty two, and that meant I
could go to the headquarters of the Department of the
Benching Canberra, and I think I was just expecting me
to turn up for an hour or two look at
the files, go home happy. But I arrived on Monday
at nine am and finished on five o'clock on the Friday.
(08:36):
So I've been a taddle of five days wow our
government military files. So that allowed me to get a
fair degree of accuracy in terms of the level of
their involvement. But it's been somewhat ad hoc from time
to time. That's been the high levels of interest, but
it seems to.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Have gone up and down over the decade.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Any proportionates to the level of controlacy that they might
get caught up with, Yeah, I've left heights provacy. I
tend to try and avoid the subject at that point on.
It's an interesting history. And those that want to check
out the document UFO sub Rose down Under and you
(09:20):
can find that on the Project nineteen forty seven websites.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
All right, I'll make sure I link that to this
to the show notes, so the listener, can, you know,
go check that out. So you mentioned off air that
you have been a listener to the show, and I
appreciate that, but I also want to say, you know,
when you talk about maybe the government is a little
bit hostile about that topic, and someone wrote in here
(09:46):
like lapdogs to the US, this is Shane. Actually, Shane,
how you doing. I haven't seen you in a long time.
Good to see you back here. We have a number
of people from Australia actually in the chat here. But
I wanted to say to you that as far as
people go in the world that are paying attention to
(10:07):
at least this particular show, you have twenty six million
people or so in Australia and it's the second largest
demographic that listens to this podcast. So the government may
be against it, but there's a lot of people in
Australia that are really into the topic. And why do
(10:28):
you think that is?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, I think it's a bit of a big bag.
There is a very well established history, both officially and
also from the general public in probably is annection with
the UFO phenomen you know, it's a very very rich history.
And I published the book back in non and ninety
(10:51):
six school the.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All Falls is Trying UFI Story. It was an attempt
to have a bit of a kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
A social and phenomenological history of the subject in Australia.
So definitely a very very rich history, but there's an
evid flow we because of our population our countries about
the size of the of the continental US in terms
of size, but in terms of population where certainly a
(11:22):
very sparse population.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Forrever around the country on the coast.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Great And so you guys have such a huge conference
circuits with regard to UFOs as you know, you can
go and do a UFO conference practically every week, it
seems from our Australia where you'd.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Be lucky to have a conference in any particular year.
And that there was a.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Conference what would call the trains UFO Vegetable at card
Wall up in barn Or, Queens. Then I couldn't be
there in but I was able to do a presentation
via the Internet and that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And having to drag me up there in person next.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Year I'd love that because Cardwell, the location where its
operating from is just down the road from one of
my favorite UFO destinations in Australia, and that's Holley. Pulley
was the center of a major UFI en counter back
in ninety sixty six.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
UFO Landing Caste or Daylight.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Are you talking about West Hall or.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No Well occurred in the same year as the Western Stage.
Nineteen sixty six was a huge year of UFOs in Australia,
and the two keynote cases would be in January of
nineteen sixty six the daylight observation via Barma George Pedley,
(12:58):
very close proximity observing a UFO rising out of a
tidal lagoon that had all sorts of breeds and that
kind of stuff in it, and it left behind what
was famously called it a flying saucer net interwined better
(13:20):
breeds so tightly into wound that had floated on the
surface and with proximated the size of the UFO that
was deserved. These reeds seen the booming, dragged out of.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The bottom of the lagoon and somehow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Rotated together in a very tightly in connected best better
of reeds. The best I could approximate would be like
a floating pontoon of the auldra on the surface of
the lagoon. That was very very striking caused the absolute
media sensation and only just recently my friend in Samory
(13:58):
Shane Ryan obviously the interew in terms of that. He's
got his website there on Westall nineteen fifty sixth quite
an excellent site and just recently he found a private
letter by a gentleman by the name of John Boost
that was written a month after the January nineteen sixty six,
(14:23):
sighting to them that this was a handwritten document addressed
to the new incoming Prime Minister and Harold Holt and
he and John Boost were lifelong friends. John Boost up
on the Infernal Queensland and turns out he ended up
(14:48):
interviewing George Betley, the witness in the in the famous
fly case, and sent this private report down to the
new Prime Minister that doctriment don't have just been doubled
Black time law on in the arcade.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Bill. I'm going to ask you if you would just
try and experiment. It seems like it's kind of fading
in and out, and I know you're on your headset
on your phone. I'm wondering if you could, uh as
your headset, the microphone on your headset, if you can
get that a little closer to you, that may be sure.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah that's better.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, okay, now that waking, Oh much better.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay. I wish I asked this earlier. Yeah, yeah, that's
just fine. You can just let that hang. That's fine,
it's I didn't realize that the microphone side was out
of your headset. It wasn't it. But that's this is
much better. So thank you for that. And so yeah,
much better. Perfect, So thank you for doing that. And
so Westall, would you consider that like Australia's Roswell, you know,
(16:00):
I mean, how big of an incident would you consider that?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, the Westall case was known. It occurred in April
of nineteen sixty six, and there was some media reporting
of it, but essentially I'd refer to as a bit
of a sleeper type case. It wasn't widely reported at
(16:28):
the time, and over the next decade of two a
number of witnesses would come forward. But with the advent
of social media and podcasting and that kind of thing,
the accessibility and the ability to track down witnesses increased,
(16:48):
and certainly with the advent of podcasts and website Shane
Ryan in particular decided to try and focus on that
particular event and that was really very important because that
allowed a lot of people to come forward and as
will have one hundred more witnesses that have reported it
(17:13):
and verified it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And the beauty of this case is there that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We've got school photos and that kind of thing and
documentation as to who was there, and certainly a large
proportion of the students and a number of the teachers
and adult locals and that kind of thing have described this,
and so it's become a highly publicized case and probably
occupies a fairly prominent position amongst the best cases in Australia.
(17:43):
So it's a fairly significant event, right, And I've got
a playing game at the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh, that's okay. Irene Previn has been on this show
a couple of times, and I remember she was involved.
Is that Victoria that Victoria area? No, no, I can
hear you perfectly fine, everything's been can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
All right? Yeah, yes, I can hear you now yep.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. I don't know if it would help you to
put both the ear plugs in or not, but anyway, yeah,
so Irene Previn, who's been on the show a number
of times, she did some type of event at the
West Hall with all the people that were involved. You
know that the people that were able to show up.
And but anyway, had you ever gone to any of
(18:36):
the I guess they do have some events there and
that's Victoria, isn't it is that the areas.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
That that's correct, that's one of our second most popular
state to the south of New South Wales, which is
the state of the I mean, and I live in
the Sydney suburbs. And certainly in two thousand and six,
from memory, it was the essentially the first major reunion
(19:03):
of west All witnesses and I was able to attend
that and that was quite exciting because it just I
coincided with the production of a documentary with regard to
west All sixty It was called west All sixty six
and it's pretty easily found on the internet and I
(19:26):
certainly recommend you you have a look at that and
produced by Rosie Jones, and excellent documentary and it gives
you a good introduction into the case in terms of
its complexity and the kind of things that were a
parent that occurred there. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I've had Shane on a number of times and I remember,
you know, I do believe he was involved in some
of maybe that documentary, maybe there was another one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, he was definitely involved in that one.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah. So here's we occasionally get questions from our chat
people and here's one here from Gene. Can you speak
to Aboriginal stories of sky gods or the lake? He
was in Northwest Australia around Catherra and he had taken
(20:20):
he was taken to an Aboriginal site where there was
rock art, and the host said there were stories about
aliens and do you familiar with any of that?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, I've spent quite a long time sort of
studying indigenous kind of legends and belief systems, etc. That
seem to correlate with what appears to be an expression
of the presence of some sort of advanced beings interacting
with Aboriginal society.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Now you've got to tread carefully in this.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Area because you don't to impose I guess our Western
value systems, in our Western interpretation of the UFO from
them that kind of thing. On average belief systems and
these are deep, sincerely held beliefs, and one of the
strongest is from northwestern Australia up and the Kimberley's. I've
(21:16):
been up there, particularly during the nineteen seventies, visiting the
one gena rock art up there in the northwestern part
of Western Australia, and that's probably one of the most
potent kind of appearances of k paintings, that kind of
(21:38):
thing that seem to correlate. And when you look at
the images of the one Gena, and most people around
the world would have visualized the appearance of the one
Gena with the opening ceremony or the clothing serremy I
can't remember now, of the two thousand Olympics here in Sydney,
and to see the huge one Gena display rise up
(22:02):
from the ground in the stadium with such a potent experience,
And when you look at the appearance of the one
Gena with the two dark eyes and no mouth, that
kind of stuff or negligible mouth, it certainly conjures up
a lot of potential correlations with modern day UFO phenomena
(22:26):
and that kind of thing. And quite a lot of
abductees that I've spoken too often draw a correlations with
in terms of the appearance of the beings that they've encountered.
They generally defer to the imagery and appearances that appear
in the one Jenna paintings.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Now, speaking of abductions, is that you know, it seems
like there's a lot of alleged abductions in this country
do you hear about it that much in Australia.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yet quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've investigated quite a large number of abduction style stories
and had a book published in two thousand and five
in the US or places through Simon and Schuster, call
Here of the Alien, which focuses on the Peter Curie
abduction event. It had a number of experiences, but what
(23:23):
drew my attention into that case was the existence of
a biological sample, a hair sample, and we were able
to conduct probably what was publicly the world's first DNA
analysis of an artifact, in this case, a biological hair
sample that seemed to be implicated in an alien induction story,
(23:47):
and rather than be entirely prosaic, it turned out to
be quite unusual that it seemed to correlate with what
appeared to be a hybrid DNA sequence differences between the
shaft of the hair and the root of the hair,
which in the normal hair sample the DNA should be
(24:10):
exactly the same in the root and the shark. So
there was a lot of interesting DNA anomalies found in
this hair sample. It doesn't prove that it was alien,
but it certainly goes towards a piece of evidence that
seems compelling that suggests that maybe there is some merit.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
In pursuing that angle.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And if you go to my blog site, the odds Files,
that's those z files dot blogspot dot com, there's a
site that you can connect to through that which I
call the al in DNA paradigm, because this kind of
evidence seem to be arguing that sort of indigenous people's
(24:59):
around the world, well, a lot of them do have
this quite compelling sky god kind of myth system or
belief system, and it's very common to have the legends
of superior sky gods coming to Earth imparting sort of
(25:21):
advanced knowledge and almost a kind of a religious following
a belief system that rises up within these cultures. And
rather remarkably, in the DNA that came from the pretty
Kouri hair sample, we had suggestions that there was correlations
with the DNA profiles of an indigenous tribe that was
(25:45):
located in northern Thailand and southwestern China, And we did
go to those locations and actually interacted with the Lahou
and documented what appeared to be sky god belief systems
that were quite well established in that tribal group, the Laho.
(26:07):
That's la Hu for those they want to look into.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It very good. So I will ask people then chat.
If you're asking questions, please put them in all caps.
So there is a question here from someone new actually
encounters down under, thank you for joining us today. So
they wanted me to ask about the Kelly Cahill case.
(26:32):
I've heard that name.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, the Kelly car Hill case. One of the things
that I was looking for was kind of physical evidence
of alien abductions, now alien productions truly occurring when to
expect that there would be some level of physical evidence
confirmation that they're occurring in the real world, in our
(26:56):
day to day reality, And the Kelly car Hill case
a very striking example of that. And I just I
do describe that case in some detail in my book
here of the audience.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And what that appeared to be was.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
A it seems three different car loads of people, all
independent to each other, apparently witnessing what appeared to be
the landing of UFO and occupants coming out and the
group's experience missing time. Yeah, it's quite it's quite well documented.
(27:31):
Kelley became very public there for quite a while, and
then eventually I get a call from her indicating building
you want my personal files, and I'd already had a
huge amount of files. But in the end she sent
her files to me, and she's quietly kind of withdrawn
(27:53):
from the UFO subject. She did for quite a while
attend various conferences and that kind of stuff. But I
can't understand why people who have been high profile would
eventually start to withdraw from the UFO field, simply because
it can be quite toxic, it can be quite demanding,
(28:14):
and there's all of wear and tear in terms of
being highly public in the UFO field.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right, and in that particular case, I may have this wrong,
but were the beings that they talk about really tall
or is that something else I'm thinking of?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, they were, that they were in excess of six feet,
and the prominent aspect and the story seem to be
glowing red eyes and that kind of stuff. Was a
Philly confrontational type of experience. And each of the women
that were involved in the experience in at least the
(28:52):
two separate vehicles, Calise a car with her husband, and
the second car which involved a gentleman, a banker, I
gather and two women. And there was a third car
for the down the road which had one single mile involved,
(29:13):
but each of the women appeared to have abdominal kind
of injuries or markings upon in the Adam area and
what appeared to be ligature marks around their ankles, that
kind of thing. So there seem to be plenty of
evidence to suggest that it was at least physical, physically
(29:34):
real in some sense, and to have it happening to
multiple witnesses, it is quite amazing. Because of the Curdie
Victoria and kind of contacted me, I thought it was
best to have a Melbourne based group investigated and that's
what I facilitated. But unfortunately that group has bosen not
(29:59):
to share the final report that they had on the case.
It'd be good if they did, but I did write
a preliminary report based on the information that had put
together myself, and we're all looking forward to the report
for that group. But after all this time it's been
(30:20):
a no show.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's too bad. And do you happen to know if
they any one of them did any regression? Kepno therapy regression.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yes Kelly did, but most of her story was consciously recollected.
But then there are also fragments of missing time, that
kind of thing that depending on what your position is
as to the utility of hypnosis. It can be a
good thing and it can be a bad thing, depending
(30:52):
on the way it applied. And in Kelly's case, I
think it added to a little bit to the story,
but most of her story is what she consciously recollected.
It came to her in fragments as well.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I see, yeah, So was it the nineteen sixty six
the activity in nineteen sixty six that got you interested
in the topic in the first place?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, it was actually, well, I guess it was in
nineteen sixty six on the north coast of New South
Wales where I lived as a teenager at Grafton on
the far north coast of New South Wales, there was
a range of sightings that, interestingly enough, involve local police
(31:42):
officers pursuing UFOs around the countryside, both in Grafton, this
more casino number of different locations, and there was widespread
UFO sidings up and down the north coast, and there
was a lot of publicity associated with those sightings. But
that was in the middle of nineteen sixty six. But
(32:04):
in terms of the rest of the year, as a
described earlier, the Tully UFI event. It actually occurred to
the south of Tully, but it's been popularized under the
name of Tully. It occurred during January of nineteen sixty six,
and also the other key cases occurred in April, and
(32:26):
then we seem to have a trilogy of significant events
there in Victoria. We've got the West Tool schoolcase, multiple
witness to event, possible UFO landing, that kind of thing.
And there's also a case that really drew me in
because if it occurred the way it described, I'm talking
here the Burkes flatcase, which occurred within a few days
(32:48):
of the West Tool schoolcase. But in rural Victoria. An
engineering guy driving between jobs in the evening observes appears
to be a very unusual light display in a in
a paddock and as he's approaching, and that that light
source that was in the paddock or the field fenced
(33:12):
off field off to the right. As he drew up
to opposite the headlight beans of his car seend the
bend in an acute V shape and got more and
more acute as he passed by it, and he almost
he thought he was losing control of his car, and
(33:36):
he tried to compensate because the headlight beans were veering
off to the to the right. He compensates and almost
collides with a tree, but then realizes he's going off
the road, compensates again, and sadly he learns that apparently
a few days earlier, a local chap had been killed
(33:58):
in a car crash and had collided with that same tree.
So there seemed to have been a suggestion that some
sort of correlation between the fatality that it had occurred
at that at location. I've been to that location, taken
samples and tried to correlate it with the site. There
was a depression found in the field where the object
(34:19):
had been so it's a really interesting case. But not
much in a way of physical data was able to
be extracted, simply because a lot of time had passed.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But also there was a coronary report a coroner in
terms of.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
The death at that site, but they refused to look
at the possible UFO connection. The additional case that occurred
the trilogy Courts was a daylight photograph of a UFO
over Baldwin, which is a suburb of Melbourne in close
(34:57):
proximity to Westall.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yes, I did have that. That is such a great
picture and I had that. I think I have it
right here. That's it, isn't it? Can you see it?
You may not be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
A lot of people argue that it's a house photograph. Yeah,
but having now in the gentleman that took the photograph
for a long long time, it just seems rather extraordinary
that he would create the photograph for hoax the photograph
and uh and still stick by it after decades. You
(35:40):
know that the guy was a a fairly ul credentialdren
well established businessman that did a lot of uh business
activity in China and was quite well established in it
with his family as in the engineering game, that kind
of thing, tavy equipment kind of thing. And so he
(36:01):
seemed to have been the last kind of person that
you expect to create a hoax.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right, And wasn't he working in his garden or something
and he had his camera there?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, he was at his parents' property. He had been
taking photographs of the garden, mainly for the benefit of
his mother, who was wanted to know what she was
overseas and just about that time returning to Australia and
he just wanted to get some photographs of the garden
and there was also a handy man on the other
(36:38):
side of the property. He kind of noticed some movement.
What wasn't a total witness to the event, but the witness,
Jim Kibble, he needed to take some polaroid the single
polaroid photograph. Now again it's a single witness essentially, but
(37:03):
certainly happening at a period where there was a lot
of UFO activity in Victoria.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, So changing gears a little bit because I know this.
I believe this has been researched a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But the Fred Valentish or Valentich, however, you say that
that case, did you ever look into that case at all?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Once again, I did go to the Bureau of Their
Safety Investigation in Melbourne in an attempt to try and
examine not only the Valentice case file, but also back
in the nineteen fifties, the Department of Civil Aviation was
(37:51):
one of the first organizations to conduct UFI investigations here
in Australia and then it came under the informata of
the RW in the Royal Australian Air Force. So I
was interested in looking at their files and I was
allowed to get access to that, but I was specifically
denied access to the valentage file, which the officer in
(38:16):
charge they had in front of me, and of course
I was trying to read it upside down, but he
was leaping through it. But he said that under the
current law, air safety investigations were not publicly made available
until the case was finalized and then a formal report
(38:36):
would be produced and that would be the extent of it. Normally,
that kind of information is not widely made available.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Now, did you ever listen to the original recording.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And in the Valenta hitch case with Blenti's disappearing because
had gone a worldwide headlines. Now, the disappearance of a
pilot in Clas's proximity to what.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
A p to b U about.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And the conversation between the traffic control Steve Right, the
Raven Airport and Nepal Frederick Blenty is quite an extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Oh yeah, Bill, I don't know if yeah just went
out so unfortunately, Uh, he did have a power outage
at his house and he's been sitting out on the
porch on his telephone and it seems like he was
working fine and all of.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
A sudden it just went out. Thank you all very much,
and I'm sorry to cut this short, but we have again.
We have Tim Venture coming up on Tuesday Thursday, that
is at eight pm. Next week, we have Dave Marler
same time, nine pm on Tuesday, and then Travis Walton
on Thursday. Thank you all so much, and remember to
(40:10):
keep your eyes to the sky. And again I apologize
and I appreciate you for hanging in as long as
you did.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thank you
Hello, and welcome to the show. A Martin Willershure host.
I'm real excited about our guest tonight, Bill Chalker. He's
been a UFO researcher for many, many years, going all
the way back to the late nineteen sixties in Australia.
He's got quite a reputation and a really good man
(00:46):
of integrity. So I've been really wanting to get him
on for a long time and it finally happened. And
so just a couple of things here. The blog this
week from Charles Lear is a nineteen eighty one Men
and Black report from British Columbia, Canada, so check that
out on our website PODCASTUFO dot com. Couple of things.
(01:09):
The guests coming up this Thursday in a couple of days.
Tim Ventura, he does a podcast of his own. He's
a futurist. I thought he's done a great job interviewing people,
and anyway, he agreed to be on the show. Next Tuesday,
a week from tonight, we have Dave Marler, always a
(01:29):
great guest. I'm looking forward to have him on. And
next Thursday we have Travis Walton. He'll be on talking
about an upcoming event. Actually that I'm going to be
going to and that is in Sedona, Arizona. That's coming
up and I'm going to be attending that, and that's
October seventeenth through the twentieth. Be up in Shag Harbor
(01:52):
at the Shag Harbor UFO Incident Conference that's coming up
in just a few weeks here. And that's October third
through the fifth up in your Armouth, Nova, Scotia. So
I'll be the EMC there this year. Last time last
year when I was up there, a few people came
(02:14):
just to visit and that was a lot of fun.
I remember Rudy from Virginia follow up there just so
we could have a couple of conversations. And anyway, it's
always fun, great people up there. Always looking forward to
that and a shout out to all the people that
help out UFO. Jack always helps me out. We were
(02:34):
just down in Newburyport, Massachusetts with Mac Maloney. We did
his pre corded, pre recorded show for next week, so
I think it's called Military UFO Files with Mac Maloney.
That was a lot of fun. Always a lot of
fun with Mac. And so I think that is about
it and it's time for me. I just have to
(02:55):
say real quickly that Bill Charker our guest tonight. It's
today for him, and you'll see him on his porch.
There was a kouka barra there. There's a parrot just screeched.
So we're going to have to I think it's adressing
and fun. But his power went out. The whole neighborhood.
His power went out about an hour ago, and so
(03:16):
he's on his phone and cross your fingers hopefully it
will go smoothly. But we get to look at his
beautiful backyard and hear the great birds. So here we go.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Hello Bill, I'm good to you, so.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Nice to have you. I like I told you offline.
You know, my blogger has written about you a number
of times in your great research work, and so we
all appreciate good, solid work, and I hope you know
that continues in the future. You know, we had we
have people here that do research, really great research, like
(03:51):
Dave Marler for one, who's coming on next week. We had,
you know, Stanton Friedman, and you know, I kind of
think of you as a non vocal Stanton Friedman type
of guy, someone that really does really good research. And
I know you don't do the lectures like he did.
But anyway, I did.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I did actually lecture with stan uh Stanton in China
Dalians back in I think it was a fall. I
think China, oh wow, so that was a lot of fun.
But China has their iron stall of you. If I
conference experience, I bet it would be.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
I used to be in touch with a college professor
there and he's disappeared off the face of the earth.
But he used to keep me up to date of
what was going on in UFOs in China, and.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I can't eat uh.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Nope, uh no. He was a English he was from
England and he was a professor in China, and uh yeah,
I think yep, yeah, real, real, nice guy and he
was pretty involved. But anyway, he's just disappeared, unfortunately. But anyway, yeah,
UFOs are different there, I'm sure. But you know, it's funny.
(05:10):
It's a worldwide situation. And while I might as well
ask Charles Lear, the blogger that you know thinks a
lot of you, he asked this question, why does it
seem that Australian the Australian government seems to be the
most hostile to the subject, followed close by by England
(05:32):
and so he's basically asking why the Government of Australia
is so do you consider them hostile against the topic.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Well, there certainly was a UFI program or you will
fine investigation since they did it at HO why again
by back in.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
The norne fifties and it was fund of on going.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
But then they tried to increase the level of because
essentially our Air Force, the Royal Australian Air Force was
the main, I guess center of involvement there. But they
seems to have been involved from a number of different
arms of Australian government and military intelligence.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
That kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Can go into that in great detail, but certainly in
the in the last five teen years, basically a variety
and characteristics seems to be that the Australian government has
the head in the sand and seem to be deferring
to the United States, and they're part of the Five
(06:38):
Guys kind of worldwide military intelligence kind of sharing programs,
and one would expect that they are a part of
it and are aware of what the United States government's
doing on the UFO so I did subject, But it's
kind of a bit of a mixed bag. There's been
(07:04):
a number of different briefing documents that have come out
that where they're sort of carefully trying to attempt to
obscure the fact that there is some interest.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's even denying that they've participated in.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Five Eyes type meetings on the uf UAC subjects and
actually denied that in public and then they had to
retract that and said that they had center representatives that
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (07:28):
So it's a bit of a you know, I've been
there and seen.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
That before, particularly with the variable nature of the RBS
role in the UFO subjects as well. There's a good
docent I produced that I've had on the web since
about nineteen ninety nine, which is called.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
UFO sub Ros Are down Under.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It's about one hundred page documents and it summarizes, I
guess mainly the rf role in the UFOs. I beg
here in Australia that's the Royal Australian Air Force and
so there's a lot of a lot of history. But
what I did find I got access to the government
(08:13):
files back in nineteen eighty two, and that meant I
could go to the headquarters of the Department of the
Benching Canberra, and I think I was just expecting me
to turn up for an hour or two look at
the files, go home happy. But I arrived on Monday
at nine am and finished on five o'clock on the Friday.
(08:36):
So I've been a taddle of five days wow our
government military files. So that allowed me to get a
fair degree of accuracy in terms of the level of
their involvement. But it's been somewhat ad hoc from time
to time. That's been the high levels of interest, but
it seems to.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Have gone up and down over the decade.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Any proportionates to the level of controlacy that they might
get caught up with, Yeah, I've left heights provacy. I
tend to try and avoid the subject at that point on.
It's an interesting history. And those that want to check
out the document UFO sub Rose down Under and you
(09:20):
can find that on the Project nineteen forty seven websites.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
All right, I'll make sure I link that to this
to the show notes, so the listener, can, you know,
go check that out. So you mentioned off air that
you have been a listener to the show, and I
appreciate that, but I also want to say, you know,
when you talk about maybe the government is a little
bit hostile about that topic, and someone wrote in here
(09:46):
like lapdogs to the US, this is Shane. Actually, Shane,
how you doing. I haven't seen you in a long time.
Good to see you back here. We have a number
of people from Australia actually in the chat here. But
I wanted to say to you that as far as
people go in the world that are paying attention to
(10:07):
at least this particular show, you have twenty six million
people or so in Australia and it's the second largest
demographic that listens to this podcast. So the government may
be against it, but there's a lot of people in
Australia that are really into the topic. And why do
(10:28):
you think that is?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Well, I think it's a bit of a big bag.
There is a very well established history, both officially and
also from the general public in probably is annection with
the UFO phenomen you know, it's a very very rich history.
And I published the book back in non and ninety
(10:51):
six school the.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
All Falls is Trying UFI Story. It was an attempt
to have a bit of a kind of.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
A social and phenomenological history of the subject in Australia.
So definitely a very very rich history, but there's an
evid flow we because of our population our countries about
the size of the of the continental US in terms
of size, but in terms of population where certainly a
(11:22):
very sparse population.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
Forrever around the country on the coast.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Great And so you guys have such a huge conference
circuits with regard to UFOs as you know, you can
go and do a UFO conference practically every week, it
seems from our Australia where you'd.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Be lucky to have a conference in any particular year.
And that there was a.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Conference what would call the trains UFO Vegetable at card
Wall up in barn Or, Queens. Then I couldn't be
there in but I was able to do a presentation
via the Internet and that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And having to drag me up there in person next.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Year I'd love that because Cardwell, the location where its
operating from is just down the road from one of
my favorite UFO destinations in Australia, and that's Holley. Pulley
was the center of a major UFI en counter back
in ninety sixty six.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
UFO Landing Caste or Daylight.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Are you talking about West Hall or.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
No Well occurred in the same year as the Western Stage.
Nineteen sixty six was a huge year of UFOs in Australia,
and the two keynote cases would be in January of
nineteen sixty six the daylight observation via Barma George Pedley,
(12:58):
very close proximity observing a UFO rising out of a
tidal lagoon that had all sorts of breeds and that
kind of stuff in it, and it left behind what
was famously called it a flying saucer net interwined better
(13:20):
breeds so tightly into wound that had floated on the
surface and with proximated the size of the UFO that
was deserved. These reeds seen the booming, dragged out of.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
The bottom of the lagoon and somehow.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Rotated together in a very tightly in connected best better
of reeds. The best I could approximate would be like
a floating pontoon of the auldra on the surface of
the lagoon. That was very very striking caused the absolute
media sensation and only just recently my friend in Samory
(13:58):
Shane Ryan obviously the interew in terms of that. He's
got his website there on Westall nineteen fifty sixth quite
an excellent site and just recently he found a private
letter by a gentleman by the name of John Boost
that was written a month after the January nineteen sixty six,
(14:23):
sighting to them that this was a handwritten document addressed
to the new incoming Prime Minister and Harold Holt and
he and John Boost were lifelong friends. John Boost up
on the Infernal Queensland and turns out he ended up
(14:48):
interviewing George Betley, the witness in the in the famous
fly case, and sent this private report down to the
new Prime Minister that doctriment don't have just been doubled
Black time law on in the arcade.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Bill. I'm going to ask you if you would just
try and experiment. It seems like it's kind of fading
in and out, and I know you're on your headset
on your phone. I'm wondering if you could, uh as
your headset, the microphone on your headset, if you can
get that a little closer to you, that may be sure.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yeah that's better.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah, yeah, okay, now that waking, Oh much better.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Okay. I wish I asked this earlier. Yeah, yeah, that's
just fine. You can just let that hang. That's fine,
it's I didn't realize that the microphone side was out
of your headset. It wasn't it. But that's this is
much better. So thank you for that. And so yeah,
much better. Perfect, So thank you for doing that. And
so Westall, would you consider that like Australia's Roswell, you know,
(16:00):
I mean, how big of an incident would you consider that?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Well, the Westall case was known. It occurred in April
of nineteen sixty six, and there was some media reporting
of it, but essentially I'd refer to as a bit
of a sleeper type case. It wasn't widely reported at
(16:28):
the time, and over the next decade of two a
number of witnesses would come forward. But with the advent
of social media and podcasting and that kind of thing,
the accessibility and the ability to track down witnesses increased,
(16:48):
and certainly with the advent of podcasts and website Shane
Ryan in particular decided to try and focus on that
particular event and that was really very important because that
allowed a lot of people to come forward and as
will have one hundred more witnesses that have reported it
(17:13):
and verified it.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
And the beauty of this case is there that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We've got school photos and that kind of thing and
documentation as to who was there, and certainly a large
proportion of the students and a number of the teachers
and adult locals and that kind of thing have described this,
and so it's become a highly publicized case and probably
occupies a fairly prominent position amongst the best cases in Australia.
(17:43):
So it's a fairly significant event, right, And I've got
a playing game at the moment.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Oh, that's okay. Irene Previn has been on this show
a couple of times, and I remember she was involved.
Is that Victoria that Victoria area? No, no, I can
hear you perfectly fine, everything's been can you hear me?
Speaker 3 (18:10):
All right? Yeah, yes, I can hear you now yep.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Yeah. I don't know if it would help you to
put both the ear plugs in or not, but anyway, yeah,
so Irene Previn, who's been on the show a number
of times, she did some type of event at the
West Hall with all the people that were involved. You
know that the people that were able to show up.
And but anyway, had you ever gone to any of
(18:36):
the I guess they do have some events there and
that's Victoria, isn't it is that the areas.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
That that's correct, that's one of our second most popular
state to the south of New South Wales, which is
the state of the I mean, and I live in
the Sydney suburbs. And certainly in two thousand and six,
from memory, it was the essentially the first major reunion
(19:03):
of west All witnesses and I was able to attend
that and that was quite exciting because it just I
coincided with the production of a documentary with regard to
west All sixty It was called west All sixty six
and it's pretty easily found on the internet and I
(19:26):
certainly recommend you you have a look at that and
produced by Rosie Jones, and excellent documentary and it gives
you a good introduction into the case in terms of
its complexity and the kind of things that were a
parent that occurred there. Right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
I've had Shane on a number of times and I remember,
you know, I do believe he was involved in some
of maybe that documentary, maybe there was another one.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
I don't know, but.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Yeah, he was definitely involved in that one.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Yeah. So here's we occasionally get questions from our chat
people and here's one here from Gene. Can you speak
to Aboriginal stories of sky gods or the lake? He
was in Northwest Australia around Catherra and he had taken
(20:20):
he was taken to an Aboriginal site where there was
rock art, and the host said there were stories about
aliens and do you familiar with any of that?
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You know, I've spent quite a long time sort of
studying indigenous kind of legends and belief systems, etc. That
seem to correlate with what appears to be an expression
of the presence of some sort of advanced beings interacting
with Aboriginal society.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Now you've got to tread carefully in this.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Area because you don't to impose I guess our Western
value systems, in our Western interpretation of the UFO from
them that kind of thing. On average belief systems and
these are deep, sincerely held beliefs, and one of the
strongest is from northwestern Australia up and the Kimberley's. I've
(21:16):
been up there, particularly during the nineteen seventies, visiting the
one gena rock art up there in the northwestern part
of Western Australia, and that's probably one of the most
potent kind of appearances of k paintings, that kind of
(21:38):
thing that seem to correlate. And when you look at
the images of the one Gena, and most people around
the world would have visualized the appearance of the one
Gena with the opening ceremony or the clothing serremy I
can't remember now, of the two thousand Olympics here in Sydney,
and to see the huge one Gena display rise up
(22:02):
from the ground in the stadium with such a potent experience,
And when you look at the appearance of the one
Gena with the two dark eyes and no mouth, that
kind of stuff or negligible mouth, it certainly conjures up
a lot of potential correlations with modern day UFO phenomena
(22:26):
and that kind of thing. And quite a lot of
abductees that I've spoken too often draw a correlations with
in terms of the appearance of the beings that they've encountered.
They generally defer to the imagery and appearances that appear
in the one Jenna paintings.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Now, speaking of abductions, is that you know, it seems
like there's a lot of alleged abductions in this country
do you hear about it that much in Australia.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
Yet quite a lot.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
I've investigated quite a large number of abduction style stories
and had a book published in two thousand and five
in the US or places through Simon and Schuster, call
Here of the Alien, which focuses on the Peter Curie
abduction event. It had a number of experiences, but what
(23:23):
drew my attention into that case was the existence of
a biological sample, a hair sample, and we were able
to conduct probably what was publicly the world's first DNA
analysis of an artifact, in this case, a biological hair
sample that seemed to be implicated in an alien induction story,
(23:47):
and rather than be entirely prosaic, it turned out to
be quite unusual that it seemed to correlate with what
appeared to be a hybrid DNA sequence differences between the
shaft of the hair and the root of the hair,
which in the normal hair sample the DNA should be
(24:10):
exactly the same in the root and the shark. So
there was a lot of interesting DNA anomalies found in
this hair sample. It doesn't prove that it was alien,
but it certainly goes towards a piece of evidence that
seems compelling that suggests that maybe there is some merit.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
In pursuing that angle.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And if you go to my blog site, the odds Files,
that's those z files dot blogspot dot com, there's a
site that you can connect to through that which I
call the al in DNA paradigm, because this kind of
evidence seem to be arguing that sort of indigenous people's
(24:59):
around the world, well, a lot of them do have
this quite compelling sky god kind of myth system or
belief system, and it's very common to have the legends
of superior sky gods coming to Earth imparting sort of
(25:21):
advanced knowledge and almost a kind of a religious following
a belief system that rises up within these cultures. And
rather remarkably, in the DNA that came from the pretty
Kouri hair sample, we had suggestions that there was correlations
with the DNA profiles of an indigenous tribe that was
(25:45):
located in northern Thailand and southwestern China, And we did
go to those locations and actually interacted with the Lahou
and documented what appeared to be sky god belief systems
that were quite well established in that tribal group, the Laho.
(26:07):
That's la Hu for those they want to look into.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
It very good. So I will ask people then chat.
If you're asking questions, please put them in all caps.
So there is a question here from someone new actually
encounters down under, thank you for joining us today. So
they wanted me to ask about the Kelly Cahill case.
(26:32):
I've heard that name.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Yes, the Kelly car Hill case. One of the things
that I was looking for was kind of physical evidence
of alien abductions, now alien productions truly occurring when to
expect that there would be some level of physical evidence
confirmation that they're occurring in the real world, in our
(26:56):
day to day reality, And the Kelly car Hill case
a very striking example of that. And I just I
do describe that case in some detail in my book
here of the audience.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
And what that appeared to be was.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
A it seems three different car loads of people, all
independent to each other, apparently witnessing what appeared to be
the landing of UFO and occupants coming out and the
group's experience missing time. Yeah, it's quite it's quite well documented.
(27:31):
Kelley became very public there for quite a while, and
then eventually I get a call from her indicating building
you want my personal files, and I'd already had a
huge amount of files. But in the end she sent
her files to me, and she's quietly kind of withdrawn
(27:53):
from the UFO subject. She did for quite a while
attend various conferences and that kind of stuff. But I
can't understand why people who have been high profile would
eventually start to withdraw from the UFO field, simply because
it can be quite toxic, it can be quite demanding,
(28:14):
and there's all of wear and tear in terms of
being highly public in the UFO field.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Right, and in that particular case, I may have this wrong,
but were the beings that they talk about really tall
or is that something else I'm thinking of?
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, they were, that they were in excess of six feet,
and the prominent aspect and the story seem to be
glowing red eyes and that kind of stuff. Was a
Philly confrontational type of experience. And each of the women
that were involved in the experience in at least the
(28:52):
two separate vehicles, Calise a car with her husband, and
the second car which involved a gentleman, a banker, I
gather and two women. And there was a third car
for the down the road which had one single mile involved,
(29:13):
but each of the women appeared to have abdominal kind
of injuries or markings upon in the Adam area and
what appeared to be ligature marks around their ankles, that
kind of thing. So there seem to be plenty of
evidence to suggest that it was at least physical, physically
(29:34):
real in some sense, and to have it happening to
multiple witnesses, it is quite amazing. Because of the Curdie
Victoria and kind of contacted me, I thought it was
best to have a Melbourne based group investigated and that's
what I facilitated. But unfortunately that group has bosen not
(29:59):
to share the final report that they had on the case.
It'd be good if they did, but I did write
a preliminary report based on the information that had put
together myself, and we're all looking forward to the report
for that group. But after all this time it's been
(30:20):
a no show.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
That's too bad. And do you happen to know if
they any one of them did any regression? Kepno therapy regression.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Yes Kelly did, but most of her story was consciously recollected.
But then there are also fragments of missing time, that
kind of thing that depending on what your position is
as to the utility of hypnosis. It can be a
good thing and it can be a bad thing, depending
(30:52):
on the way it applied. And in Kelly's case, I
think it added to a little bit to the story,
but most of her story is what she consciously recollected.
It came to her in fragments as well.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
I see, yeah, So was it the nineteen sixty six
the activity in nineteen sixty six that got you interested
in the topic in the first place?
Speaker 2 (31:22):
No, it was actually, well, I guess it was in
nineteen sixty six on the north coast of New South
Wales where I lived as a teenager at Grafton on
the far north coast of New South Wales, there was
a range of sightings that, interestingly enough, involve local police
(31:42):
officers pursuing UFOs around the countryside, both in Grafton, this
more casino number of different locations, and there was widespread
UFO sidings up and down the north coast, and there
was a lot of publicity associated with those sightings. But
that was in the middle of nineteen sixty six. But
(32:04):
in terms of the rest of the year, as a
described earlier, the Tully UFI event. It actually occurred to
the south of Tully, but it's been popularized under the
name of Tully. It occurred during January of nineteen sixty six,
and also the other key cases occurred in April, and
(32:26):
then we seem to have a trilogy of significant events
there in Victoria. We've got the West Tool schoolcase, multiple
witness to event, possible UFO landing, that kind of thing.
And there's also a case that really drew me in
because if it occurred the way it described, I'm talking
here the Burkes flatcase, which occurred within a few days
(32:48):
of the West Tool schoolcase. But in rural Victoria. An
engineering guy driving between jobs in the evening observes appears
to be a very unusual light display in a in
a paddock and as he's approaching, and that that light
source that was in the paddock or the field fenced
(33:12):
off field off to the right. As he drew up
to opposite the headlight beans of his car seend the
bend in an acute V shape and got more and
more acute as he passed by it, and he almost
he thought he was losing control of his car, and
(33:36):
he tried to compensate because the headlight beans were veering
off to the to the right. He compensates and almost
collides with a tree, but then realizes he's going off
the road, compensates again, and sadly he learns that apparently
a few days earlier, a local chap had been killed
(33:58):
in a car crash and had collided with that same tree.
So there seemed to have been a suggestion that some
sort of correlation between the fatality that it had occurred
at that at location. I've been to that location, taken
samples and tried to correlate it with the site. There
was a depression found in the field where the object
(34:19):
had been so it's a really interesting case. But not
much in a way of physical data was able to
be extracted, simply because a lot of time had passed.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
But also there was a coronary report a coroner in
terms of.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
The death at that site, but they refused to look
at the possible UFO connection. The additional case that occurred
the trilogy Courts was a daylight photograph of a UFO
over Baldwin, which is a suburb of Melbourne in close
(34:57):
proximity to Westall.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
Yes, I did have that. That is such a great
picture and I had that. I think I have it
right here. That's it, isn't it? Can you see it?
You may not be able to see it.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yep, yep.
Speaker 2 (35:17):
A lot of people argue that it's a house photograph. Yeah,
but having now in the gentleman that took the photograph
for a long long time, it just seems rather extraordinary
that he would create the photograph for hoax the photograph
and uh and still stick by it after decades. You
(35:40):
know that the guy was a a fairly ul credentialdren
well established businessman that did a lot of uh business
activity in China and was quite well established in it
with his family as in the engineering game, that kind
of thing, tavy equipment kind of thing. And so he
(36:01):
seemed to have been the last kind of person that
you expect to create a hoax.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Right, And wasn't he working in his garden or something
and he had his camera there?
Speaker 2 (36:14):
Yeah, he was at his parents' property. He had been
taking photographs of the garden, mainly for the benefit of
his mother, who was wanted to know what she was
overseas and just about that time returning to Australia and
he just wanted to get some photographs of the garden
and there was also a handy man on the other
(36:38):
side of the property. He kind of noticed some movement.
What wasn't a total witness to the event, but the witness,
Jim Kibble, he needed to take some polaroid the single
polaroid photograph. Now again it's a single witness essentially, but
(37:03):
certainly happening at a period where there was a lot
of UFO activity in Victoria.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, So changing gears a little bit because I know this.
I believe this has been researched a lot.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
But the Fred Valentish or Valentich, however, you say that
that case, did you ever look into that case at all?
Speaker 3 (37:27):
Yes, I did.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
Once again, I did go to the Bureau of Their
Safety Investigation in Melbourne in an attempt to try and
examine not only the Valentice case file, but also back
in the nineteen fifties, the Department of Civil Aviation was
(37:51):
one of the first organizations to conduct UFI investigations here
in Australia and then it came under the informata of
the RW in the Royal Australian Air Force. So I
was interested in looking at their files and I was
allowed to get access to that, but I was specifically
denied access to the valentage file, which the officer in
(38:16):
charge they had in front of me, and of course
I was trying to read it upside down, but he
was leaping through it. But he said that under the
current law, air safety investigations were not publicly made available
until the case was finalized and then a formal report
(38:36):
would be produced and that would be the extent of it. Normally,
that kind of information is not widely made available.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Now, did you ever listen to the original recording.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
And in the Valenta hitch case with Blenti's disappearing because
had gone a worldwide headlines. Now, the disappearance of a
pilot in Clas's proximity to what.
Speaker 3 (39:08):
A p to b U about.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
And the conversation between the traffic control Steve Right, the
Raven Airport and Nepal Frederick Blenty is quite an extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (39:27):
Oh yeah, Bill, I don't know if yeah just went
out so unfortunately, Uh, he did have a power outage
at his house and he's been sitting out on the
porch on his telephone and it seems like he was
working fine and all of.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
A sudden it just went out. Thank you all very much,
and I'm sorry to cut this short, but we have again.
We have Tim Venture coming up on Tuesday Thursday, that
is at eight pm. Next week, we have Dave Marler
same time, nine pm on Tuesday, and then Travis Walton
on Thursday. Thank you all so much, and remember to
(40:10):
keep your eyes to the sky. And again I apologize
and I appreciate you for hanging in as long as
you did.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thank you
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