September 30, 2025 • 40 mins
In this episode, Martin Willis speaks with producer Nugent Cantileno, who shares a remarkable story from his early career as a Fox News intern in 2009. While working on an Apollo 11 documentary, Nugent accidentally came across raw NASA footage that seemed to capture something extraordinary—audio of an astronaut mentioning a UFO and visuals of a perfectly round, fast-moving object crossing Earth’s surface. Nugent describes the moment he realized he wasn’t supposed to see the clip, how his skeptical boss reacted, and his later attempts to track down the same footage online. He also shares his broader thoughts on UFOs, from interdimensional and spiritual interpretations to the role of AI in modern disclosure, plus his own personal sightings. This conversation goes beyond one startling tape—it’s about how personal experience, research, and changing attitudes have shaped Nugent’s perspective on the UFO/UAP mystery.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willis your host.
We got a great guest via tonight, Nudrien Cantalino, and
he was an intern and saw some amazing footage. We're
gonna be talking about that, and so recently someone had
told me to check him out on a UFO podcast,
which I did, the UAP Files, I believe it is,
(00:34):
and so I thought he would make a great guest,
and I did have a guest lined up, but the
whole thing it just worked out. So this is great.
I'm glad to have Nugent on tonight. Just a couple
of things. The reason this is pre recorded, and for
those of you who know how I do my shows,
I am too darn lazy to edit, so I do
even my pre recorded shows are just like they are live.
(00:58):
I don't touch them. I just, you know, do the
show and that's it. So anyway, I will be traveling
and I may I'll be flying up where when this
is airing. I think I might make it so I
can be in chat, but I'm not really sure or not.
I'm going from South Carolina up to the Boston area,
then Boston to Boston area, Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Then I'm
(01:23):
going to be heading to Shag Harbor and Nova Scotia.
I'm going to be the MC up there for the conference.
I'm pretty excited about that. Always love the people up there.
It's a lot of fun. So if you happen to
be going to the Shag Harbor, I always run into
people that listen to the show, Please let me know
while I'm there, and you know, we'll hang out and
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have it's going to be a great time. And then
in a couple of weeks out on the seventeenth or
the twentieth, I'm going to be out in Sedona for
the Travis Walton sky Skyfire event, the fiftieth anniversary celebration, basically,
I guess you'd call the celebration of when Travis Walton
had his encounter, which was actually November fifth, nineteen seventy five,
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a little bit early, So October seventeenth through the twentieth
I'll be out out there. So our blog this week
is from Charles lear is a nineteen eighty one close
encounter report from Australia, so check that out. As always,
we're getting some of our we backed up a little
bit on our audio blogs and so we are getting
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those out a couple of week to catch up on them.
Charles does a great job on the audio blogs, and
I do have one blog that I'm putting in through.
Someone's going to be upset about it because I had
to have AI read it. I thought it was a
very good blog, but it was way back before Charles
started doing the audio blogs. So I have that one
coming up as well. So I think that's enough for housekeeping.
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I want to thank everyone that does support the show.
I want to thank all the listeners, and I am
ready to bring in our great guest, Nugent. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hey Martin, how are you? Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Sure, and you have you have quite a background. You're
in the film industry basically, right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I am in the film industry correct. So my current
job is I am the co director and co you
would be co film commissioner, but co director of our
counties Film office. So we do all the TV shows
and movies that are, you know, filming in the Tri
State area. We have some really cool ones lined up.
(03:33):
And then I've worked you know, I've worked in visual
effects for a time and I also worked in news,
so I've done a lot in my thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's right, And so you interned at Fox News and
where this whole thing happened and why you're here tonight,
and so can you just talk a little bit. We
don't have to dive directly right into it. Sure, but
it was about Appall eleven. Is that what was the
research was on?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Or I was, yes, So at that point I was
interning that particular summer in the Fox News documentary unit.
So we were doing two documentaries that year. It was
Apollo eleven and nine to eleven. And at the time
it was it was two thousand and nine, so there
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was an anniversary coming up with Pollow eleven and so
again it was two thousand and nine, so things were
not digitized the way they are now, right, So we
we had these big beta tapes that you like put
into like there's like giant VCR and you'd crank a
dial and you had to go to the footage and
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it was a whole process, so you couldn't just like
hit a time code like you would now and cut,
you know, go right to the clip you're looking for.
So NASA had so we were looking at the basically
the footage that we were looking at was from like
Apolo eleven up into the present right, and it was
kind of like tracking like NASA's history and where you know,
(05:08):
how NASA grew and from Apollo eleven to the present
day at the time, and so NASA was sending over
all of their raw footage, their raw logs. So we
were getting these big beta tapes from NASA, and it
had his oldest raw footage in it, So we were
looking at footage from Apollo eleven, but then also looking
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at footage from you know, the current the current time.
So with these beta tapes, you would get a written
log and it was like time coded, so you can
kind of, you know, whatever you were looking for. You
could just crank the dial to that time code. But
again it was never exact, and it's very important exact
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and then you can kind of do what you had
to do to cut it up or ingest it or
whatever the term was.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I just asked you can I just ask you how,
because I remember there was a time where they actually
spliced tape. Is that what they were doing at this time?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You know, So what you would do I don't remember
the exact process, but I believe so you would like
you would ingest it, they called it. So you would
basically like find the time code in like with this
like VCR thing, and then you would like stend it
off to a different department in Fox and then they
would upload it to the computer. So it was so
(06:27):
you weren't actually splicing it. But again the term they
used was in jest, and they had like an ingest
apartment that would get the footage that you were looking
at and feed it through into the into the system.
And it was like this whole complicated process if I remember,
where you had to like wait an hour and then
search the computer for it. It was like we've jumped
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in technology so far since then, but so that's what
we were doing. So in this this particular day, it
was coming towards the end of the documentary or at
least like you know, like the editing process, and I
had to look for I remember it was a clip
of on this log, this written log, this timecode. It
was like George Bush speaking. So the footage usually the
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footage that they bunched on these tapes, it's from around
the same time period, so it was George Bush talking
and I rewound too far because you can never get
the time code just right. And at the time I
had my own office, so it's just me and I was,
you know, doing the intern thing like find this footage,
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d ingested the whole bit rewound too far and you
hear again dead series may dropped it right now. If
I'm lying, I it's you hear the like I guess
it was a female astronaut like speaking down to ground
control and she goes, can't come back into orbit because
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of the UFO, and I was like, oh my god.
So I remember closing my door and I rewound a
little bit further, and the footage was it's like out
of the window of the Space shuttle and you could
see the Earth and you see this gray, little, perfectly
round disk or circular object just moving b line across
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the surface of the Earth. And the female acto goes,
you know, speaking to ground control, tracking the UFO now,
and you just see this thing just moving in a
perfectly straight line pretty fast, you know, was not slow.
It wasn't like a rock tumbling b line across the
surface of the Earth. And then I ended up calling
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my supervisor and I was like, Clay, you gotta come
look at this. Oh my god, and he again, like
I said in the past podcast, he was a big
skeptic and he was like, well, that could be anything,
that could be, you know, like they use the term
UFO for anything and they can't identify. But I'm a
pretty intelligent person. I'm an educated person. This was not
a rock, this was not space debris. It was perfectly round.
(09:04):
It was a grayish orb circle disc. It was just round.
It was perfectly round, and it was just moving b line.
And then years years later, I was on YouTube and
I was just looking up different UFO things that I've
been a big, big belaev in UFOs ever since I
was a small child, and I came across the video
(09:26):
that said leaked NASA footage and it was the exact
footage that I saw that day. And yeah, I have
tried to find it since I can. I mean, YouTube
is so innodated now with everything, it's so difficult to find.
It's like funny a needle in a haystack at this point.
But there were comments under that last podcast I did,
(09:48):
but other people that had said that they had seen
it too, So it's out there, so if anybody could
find it, I would love to see it again. But
I've tried.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I've tried, well since I watched your you know, your
podcast and I looked as well, and then I thought, well,
I'm going to toss it into chat GPT and see
what that says, and that that that that didn't help
usually helps, you know, and somehow, you know, one way
or another. But yeah, I mean, I I I'm sure
(10:16):
that it could be out there and it could have
been deleted, you know, somewhere along the line, you know.
But you're right, there's a I forget how many hundreds
of hours per second or uploaded on YouTube. It's like
an amazing oh yeah, things so hard to find anything.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's not like the way it used to be, Like
you know, now everyone and everything's on YouTube, so it's
almost impossible to find, you know, things from like ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right right, So you know, I mean today, if this
happened today, you know, you would there were so many
things that you could do to capture that, you know,
but back then there wasn't any type of screen capture
you could do, or any type of real capture you
could do it to get that you didn't have on
two thousand and nine. You could have maybe had something
(11:05):
on your phone to video. I don't know, I can't
remember what we had back then.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, I didn't have well again with Fox, like I said,
like you couldn't ingest the whole video. You had to
just ingest the part that you were looking for. So
it wasn't even like I could have been like ingest
this entire video. And then it's like on a computer someplace.
But also too, like I was on my parents I
was nineteen, I was on my parent parents phone plan,
(11:31):
and I didn't have an iPhone. I had some like
shoddy Yeah, I had like some shoddy Verizon phone. I
don't even know if it could even record video, you
know what I mean, because you know, if Verizon didn't
have they didn't have iPhones at that point. They were
still at eighteen on AT and T and we were
at Horizon. So yeah, I didn't have like now like
to just whip out my iPhone and like record it.
(11:53):
But I didn't have that option back then, right.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Right, And so it was met with skepticism, you said,
And but you really had a feeling like you really
really saw something amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Obviously, Actually there was no doubt in my mind that
that it wasn't like space debris or space junk like.
It was the way it was moving, the way it looked.
It was definite, definite, definite, definite.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now, I had a doctor, Gregory Rogers on this show,
and he was basically the surgeon, the flight surgeon for
the Shuttle, and I'm going to have him take a
look at this when you know, when this is up. Yes,
but yeah, but I can't really remember if he had
conversations about UFOs. But there's been so many conversations. I
(12:41):
sent you recently an old clip of this woman saying
that they air brushed out the UFO pictures at NASA.
So there's been a lot of talk about that, you know,
some of it conspiracy, maybe some of it not. You know,
so you obviously had a first hand, you know, situation,
and can you imagine what else there would be because
(13:04):
you just had that one little clip, you know, and
it seems to me, seems to reason this probably a
lot more.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Absolutely and also too, I'm not sure if I mentioned this,
but that particular clip was not on the written logs.
So whoever sent this tape out did not realize what they, like,
what was in this, like like this batch of footage,
you know, because it was not listed in the written
(13:31):
log at all. And that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, it's kind of funny we had NASA, I
think it was like about a year ago, maybe a
little bit longer, where they said that they're going to
appropriate a whole hundred thousand dollars into researching you know, UFOs,
and I don't know whatever happened to that. I mean,
that's like buying everyone at NASA lunch one day, right,
(13:58):
But anyway, it's the thing of it is, is you
know the director of NASA, does he is he totally
unaware that these images and footage exists to begin with?
I mean makes you wonder.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
My personal belief is that I'm sure not everybody at
NASA knows, but I'm sure a good amount of people know,
and it's either something that's just not talked about or
it's one of those things where you're on like a
need to know basis, you know, and you only talk
about it like the clip you sent me where she said, like,
you know, they were airbrushing things out. And that's why
(14:38):
I think I think more people than not probably know.
That's what I think. M hm.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now, I had I had spoken to Alan Bean, who
is the fourth person on the moon and real nice guy.
But I spoke to him on another podcast that I
have for fine art and antiques and things like that,
and that was my first podcast anyway I started. After
I started the UFO podcast in twenty eleven, I reached
out to him and said, hey, you know you were
(15:07):
on my podcast about your arc. Do you want to
talk about the UFO that you saw in nineteen seventy
one or two whatever it was on the Space Lab.
It's very well documented, so no, thank you all set.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, the stigma, Yes, absolutely what I am. And I
said this in the last podcast. You know, like I said, huge,
I'm a huge, huge, huge believer. Obviously so is my cousin,
and you know, we would talk about the stuff all
the time all the time growing up and whatnot. And
(15:43):
I'm so happy to be living in a time where
it's starting to become destigmatized right where everything going on
with congress Representative Luna who is really spearheading disclosure, and
I have a lot of hope that she's gonna really
like blow the doors off this. Yeah. I mean I
(16:06):
make sure to watch all the congressional hearings and bottom
line is this right, Whether people want to argue that
it's our tech, that it's interdimensional which is being thrown
around a ton, extraterrestrial, something is there, like that is
fact at this point, Like you can't really deny that, right,
something is there. It's a matter of who is piloting it,
(16:30):
you know, right, And that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's kind of like I feel like it's almost has
to be reverse engineered in a way. All right, they're here.
Now how did they get here? You know that type
of thing, or who are they and how did they
get here? But yeah, it's a big question, and you know,
the topic goes around a lot, whether inter dimensional or not.
I have a guest coming up on Thursday that I
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know she's going to be talking a little bit of
her thoughts because I know she is an amazing person
and you know, I think she has multiple degrees about
you know, a PhD at Harvard and all that. But
her thoughts are that she really thinks they're extraterrestrial, and
she thinks that these are advanced and to the point
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where they have a way to they have figured out
the vast distances in a different type of way. And
that's and I think that will happen. I think that,
you know, if if we're a million or even a
billion years more advanced, you know, we're going to know
so much more abuly, you know. I mean, there's just
these things in physics that we can't figure out right now,
that's all absolutely yeah, I have no idea. I never
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want to say I know what they are, you know,
that's but I just I wonder you know what what
they are and what they want and what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm gonna I'm going to ask you a question now,
this is my journal side coming out. What do you
believe that they are? From everybody you've spoken to, your
own research.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I would rather, I would rather say that I know
maybe even less than when I started, because I don't,
you know. I mean, I think there's possibilities, and there
are certain instances where I think that boy, you know,
interdimensional might work in that situation because of something blinking
out and blinking back in and you know, the different
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things like that. But I I would my best guess
is that it's a combination and that we have very
little knowledge of what's really going on around us all
the time, you know, I mean, with our our all
our senses and our spectrum of vision and all that
we probably have, there's probably all kinds of things going
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on that we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And there's a whole spectrum of color that scientists say
that we can't even see. Our eyes can't perceive, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yep, yep, there's there's Yeah. So no, it's a good
it's a it's a real mystery. And something like what
happens to that happened to you? That just opens the
door for you to be more curious. And I think
that's what it did for me when I had my sighting.
But you I listened to your podcast, Like I said,
you also had Are you near where those drones were happening?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So are yees?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So I am in Long Island, New York, and so
Jersey's about Jersey could be anywhere, depending on time of day,
in an hour, hour and a half two hours, so I'm
not that far. But we started seeing them here, you know.
So I was driving through Jersey with someone and we
saw them, and then eventually, within like a week or two,
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we started people started seeing them on the island. So
I absolutely saw them. One was like a red dot
that I had seen in the sky. It was just
it was obviously it wasn't a plain it was you know,
it was just this red dot flying. Trying to think
another one that the other ones that the ones that
I had seen Jersey, it was like a green color
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and they were big, like the one in Jersey was big.
It wasn't like a small like little like model airplane
or something like that, you know what I mean, Like
it was decent size. So yeah, like they were all.
There was actually a few nights where my sister and
I started driving around to see if we could see
them down by the beach, and you could. It was like, oh.
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Then another one that I saw was when I was
driving through Jersey the first time. It was like a
bowl of light like up on like to my right.
It was on like the side of the highway. And yeah,
so they were around. What they were I couldn't tell you.
And the obviously, you know, there's been so many theories around.
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I think what President Trump said that they know what
they are, but they couldn't say. I think someone else
said it was China. But yeah, they were there. I
saw them. They were real, and we had them here
on the island.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's still it's still I think it's still a mystery.
I don't I still don't think we have the total
answers to as far as I know, you know. And
then the FAA, you know, according to the administration of
the FAA said that they knew they were testing, but
previously they said we are unaware of any testing or something.
So they did it back and forth on that one,
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so I don't even know, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I agree, and like, why would the fa lie the
first time, you know what I mean, Like they would
just say, oh, we're testing x Y and we're testing drones, right,
like people know what drones are, so why would you
lie about it? And then there's all those new drones
now sightings and I think it's a europe right, it's
been going on.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, well they've had at that same time that there were,
but people are saying that it's ongoing. It's not you know, yeah,
still ongoing, it's just not as much as it was.
But you know, there it was everywhere. It was in Germany,
it was in Australia, it was all over the place.
So yeah, that was, uh, that was bizarre. And it
happened the year before around the same time, and I'm
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leave the year ahead of that around the same time
of year as well, So I don't I really don't
understand what that's about. But yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I also I remember tim there was another one where
I was driving on the high It was always like
when you were on the highway. It was always like
near like highways near water. And I also I also
live I don't live too far from the beach. So
there was another one where another night where it looked
like it was. This one was big, it was like
four points it was and that obviously, yes, it could
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obviously be a drone because drones do have four points.
But there was another like it was it was white
lights and there were four points flying on the side
near the highway. High but I mean you could obviously
see it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Mmmmm hmm. All right, well get let's get back to
your your footage. Sure now, what happened? So this happened
to you? You talked to your boss. He was a skeptic, said,
you know, it's probably you know, debris or whatever it was. Yeah,
did you talk to other people there too?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm trying to remember if I spoke to our other
I well, yes, so I might have told her other supervisor.
But years later, when I was not an intern and
I was hired, I was on a popular show once.
I don't want to say the show's name, but I
was on a popular show. Now it's a popular show.
(23:21):
Back then it was just starting. This was in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, and I happened to tell my new supervisor
on this show. I was like, oh my god, you
want to hear what happen to you when I was
an intern and what I saw and her and the
other guy, they laughed. They totally laughed it off. I remember,
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I totally remember sitting at my desk and we all
had They would give us TVs, and you were supposed
to watch the channel or at least have the channel
on when you were working, And so how did I
get two? Fifteeny sixteen? So there was a UFO story
that one of the shows was doing, and I remember
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I could hear them like laughing. You know when you
feel someone like looking at you, I could like hear
them laughing and like looking. I looked back and they
were looking at me, and I was like, Okay, I
feel like in my high score right now. But what's
so funny is that particular show has covered a lot
all the UFO stuff going on. So I was just like,
(24:25):
there's a part of me that has always wanted to
reach out and be like, see I told you so.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, well that's funny. Yeah. So they kind of
changed the tune a little, you know, like you mentioned earlier,
you know, with the you know, the hearings. I've been
to two out of three of those hearings. But because
of that, you know, more people are accepting it and
looking into it those types of things. You know, I
(24:51):
don't know how much it's going to move the needle,
but it just it seems like it at least it's
opening up, you know, more minds to it and right, And.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think personally, I think when you see people who
have credentials and they have a really strong resume, so
to speak, behind them, it makes the naysayers listen, right,
because it's not like Joe Schmo from Middle America being
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like I was abducted last night, you know what I mean.
It's people who have again I don't I said, like
a really strong resume, a strong history behind them in
a position of power. Now that doesn't mean though that
somebody in a position of power is telling the truth.
(25:42):
But Joe Schmo isn't you know what I mean. But
because of the optics of it, people listen.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yes, yep, that's right. So just just we're in this
thing across the line down here. So just our upcoming guests.
This coming up this Thursday is Jensen Anderson. I just
mentioned her a minute ago talking about basically how we
would react if we were, you know, introduced to an
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extraterrestrial civilization. You know, I particularly think that we're probably
going to be warring, as that's what we always seem
to do, you know, shoot him down type of thing,
type of situation. I don't know, we'll see. But anyway,
a week from tonight, David Marlar comes up. Now, last
time I had David marlarn I messed up and everyone
(26:35):
was showing up for David Marlar. He's a great researcher,
and I messed up on the take and wondered where
he was that He said, I told you, I'm at
a conference anyway, So yeah, I mean, you probably feel
a little more more comfortable these days talking to someone
about you know, what you saw than you would have,
(26:56):
you know, even back a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Really, oh, absolutely absolutely, because now you know, people don't
look at you like you have two heads or you're
making it up or you know, X, Y and Z,
and you know, I just people in just like my
everyday life. Whenever, like the hearings are going on, I
try and say, like, oh, you should watch this, this
is going on today, This is not you know, this
(27:21):
isn't a joke. This is being taken seriously, you know.
And I got to say, the majority of the people
in my life are or have become believers in this
stuff for the most part, if they weren't prior.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I see now where you're on Long Island, and have
you ever heard of the Tedesco brothers.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I believe I have.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, that's someone that want to connect with. They actually are.
There's a park it's called something Moses Park. I can't
think of the do you are you familiar with Moses. Yeah,
that's it, Robert Moses Park. They go there all the
time and there they have amazing equipment in this RV.
I went down and visited and hung out with them
(28:08):
for a night, trying to, you know, see what they
see because oftentimes they will capture Yeah. I can make
the connection for you. Please do, please do, But they're there.
They are so dedicated. They're there all the time, all
the time. They're there every week, weekend, and they say
all all till all hours in the morning. It happened
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to be that one night that they left early was
the night that but I was ready to go because
it's kind of like fishing. You sit there and wait
and wait and wait. You know, something happens or it
doesn't happen, but you should see the equipment that they have.
The night after I left, they had seen sightings. And
then there's a great, great guy, doctor Keith Taylor, who
(28:55):
was there with them, and he had Heath thinks that
he had some actions from some orbs that he was
all excited. He contacted me and said, this just amazing.
It felt like they was under intelligent control. And they
got it all on radar, they got it on film.
And you would think that you would hear more about
it when there, when there's so much equipment. But at
(29:18):
the last hearing, for instance, there was Wiggins, Chief Wiggins,
who was an active member. You know, they had this
video they showed I'm sure you saw it looks like
a tic tack. And then they had that radar. They
had multiple witnesses and Arrow never even looked into it,
which is quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Arrow, to me is the new Project blue Book.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, basically a lot of people say that.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, window dressing and you know, trying to keep some
people a little bit quiet, like they're you know, I
think so, you know, I had I had the former
acting director Tim Phillips on, great guy, very interesting, but
you know, I just I just feel as though that
there's no the transparency there isn't really true martially, but
(30:14):
not not all the way through.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I think I think Arrow had ulterior motives. That's what
I think. So whenever I see that pot in my okay,
and I think it was representative Luna who called I
can't think of his name, the kirk Patrick, I heard it, Yes, yes, liar,
like right there. She was just like he's he's like
a documented liar.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So yeah, that was kind of surprising, but in this climate,
you know, it's it's not all that surprising. But but anyway,
I was one of the things that impressed me the most.
I was there with the first one with David Grush
and the second one with Luel Zonda, these are and
other people. Of course, David Fravor was at the first one.
(30:57):
Ryan Graves who's been on the show, he was there.
But it felt really historic and for for you to
sit there in the audience and watch these people that
fight about everything, you know that the political battles constantly,
(31:17):
and they're both they're all getting along and they're all
asking great questions. I thought that was such a great
thing to see.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Absolutely, and I think I'm so I gotta be honest,
I'm so jealous. You've got to be there because I mean,
like you said, it's historic, and I wish more people
understood the weight and the gravity no pun intended of
these congressional hearings, you know, I mean this is history
like this, and like you said, like both sides are
(31:47):
getting along. I think it was Ronald Reagan who and
correct me if I'm wrong, if I have the wrong president,
but I think it was Ronald Reagan that I'm paraphrasing
that there was like the famous quote where it was like,
if you know, we were to be faced with like
an extraterrestrial threat, that we would come together as a world.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah that's basically Reagan. And yeah, that was Reagan. But
I mean that's basically what he said exactly what Yeah,
you know, I don't even know if that was paraphrasing.
I think it's pretty much what he said. But and
it's it. It is something that you know, I think
of quite often in a way. It would be really
nice to get some unity, and too bad it would
(32:29):
have to take something like that. But I mean it
would not just a threat. I mean, just if we
understood that we were, you know, not alone, I think,
you know, maybe we'd possibly come together more than we
have been.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And I know there's like a whole big debate about,
you know, putting all like disbelief aside, right from somebody
who is a skeptic, Like, you know, let's just say again,
anyone watching is a skeptic, let's put all your disbelief
aside for a second. Say this is all legit, all real, everything, right.
I know that there's been talk that it's like religious
(33:08):
reasons why, like parts of the government doesn't want it
and they don't want it out. But you know, if
you believe in God, you believe in a higher power,
whatever that higher power is. Who said that that higher
power couldn't create life elsewhere? In the universe. Why does
it Why do we have to be the be all
end all? Right? Who said, if you believe that an
(33:30):
omni president present being created the entire universe, why couldn't
he or she or it have created life elsewhere, even
if that is interdimensional, even if it's not from a
different planet.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You know, Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's the odd
side that we're alone is very, very low. I think
about any scientists, may you know think along those lines
that there's very few that think that we're alone. I think,
I agree, I agree. You know, what's always curious to
me is what started the first spark of life? That's
(34:05):
like me too, you know, And maybe someday they'll be
able to duplicate that they have been trying to, which
I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But I know, but yeah, there was a whole thing
with the web telescope that they were hoping to see
the Big Bang, and they realized that the universe is
way older than they thought.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yep, that's right. Yeah, that's going to teach us a lot,
you know when you think of just it's so funny.
We're on this little outer arm of Orion and we
have just can just see you know so much, but
still we can see such a vast universe from what
(34:44):
we can see is it's just crazy. And you know,
I mean, how would it be the end of anyway,
you know what I mean, how would there be the
end in the beginning. It's just so hard to fathom
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But right, everything about the web Telescope, I just I'm
so fascinated by I keep up with it. I check
up every day, every couple of days as he was
going on, and I just think it's such It's just again,
it's another thing. I don't think people realize the gravity
of it. You know, it's so it's groundbreaking, it really is.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Right. I got to see that when it was being built,
you know, I stopped. I was, yeah, it was. It
was really cool. This contain big, huge containment, romantic pictures
of it, and there were these people in these white
you know, uh hasmat type suits. Everything's dust free, and
they were you know, just the thing the fact that
those mirrors came out and worked exactly the way they
(35:33):
were supposed to. And it's like a million miles away.
I mean, it could have just been like uh trash
if that didn't I mean, they were all just crossing
their fingers when everything, uh, you know, when they first
got the image back is like, I mean, there's so
much invested in time invested. But anyway, so I think
(35:55):
it's been really interesting to talk to you. It's been great,
you know. I mean, we're just one last thing here.
I was thinking about. So you're nineteen years old, you're
an intern. When you came home that night, did you
talk to your parents about this?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I remember telling my father and mother
and they were just kind of like, oh, that's nice.
I get it. Really. My mother, however, has become a
huge believer in this stuff because she's been started. She's
like watching Skinwalker Ranch. She started watching. I got her into.
I always read the name Louela Zondo's on History Channel.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He's showing Oh yeah, yeah, I can't think of the name.
Yeah yeah, ified.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's like I'm blanking. But my buddy worked on it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
He was a sound guy. You see him in the
background and yeah. And then of course, my cousin, who
I had mentioned in the previous podcast that he was
invited to the first Soul Conference and he was told
some like mind blowing things, and I say, like, that's
his story to tell. I don't want to, like, you know,
put him his name out there without him saying it himself.
(37:07):
But if you want to speak to him, I'd be
happy to get you guys in touch. And the stuff
he was told, he thinks my story is so cool.
He's like, oh my god, like you you most likely
start an actual UFHON And I'm like, yeah, but like
what you were told was like wild.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So see, we actually well, first of all, it was
called unidentified inside UFO investigation was identified yep. But so
he had a basically off my conversation.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes, he had with with a handful of people, and
one was again when we stopped, just like last time,
when we stopped recording, I'll be happy to tell you
what was said. But one who was very very prominent,
a very very prominent name, had an off my conversation
and someone from an organization he spoke to, and the
(37:59):
stuff that he was told was like, I was like,
do you understand what you like the implications of what
you were told was wild in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
In my op well, you know, I've talked to Chris
Mellon and lou Elisondo and you know, different people over
the years, and you know, basically have come right out
and said, do you know things that you can't say
that you think would change the mind of everyone, And
they both basically say, well, I don't remember if I
asked Chris mellon that exactly, it was a long time ago.
(38:29):
But but Lou definitely says, oh, yes, you know, and
you know a lot of people, mate, they don't like
to hear that. They would rather not it's like just
say it, you know, like of course, right if if
someone's going to like get in big trouble, you know,
they don't you know, like of course he would if
(38:52):
he said something that was classified or whatever, exactly have
a problem. But that must be if you actually have
information that you know is real but you can't talk
about it, that must be really tough.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Right exactly. It's it's yeah, it's something, it's interesting. But yeah,
remember when he went, my cousin went. He was actually
invited back to the one in Italy that's going on,
but I don't know if he's going to it. Yeah,
but yeah, I found what he was told to be like, wow,
(39:28):
I'll tell you when we stop recording.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah. Yeah, well, anyway, it's been really great. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Thanks, it's been such a pleasure. Thank you so much
for it's been an honor. You've done, like so many
cool things. You've interviewed so many amazing people, So thank
you for including me in the conversation. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You bet all right, Thanks again. All right, take care
of already one. So we'll be back coming up to
this Thursday with Jensen Anderson. Next week we have Dave
Marler on Tuesday and then we have Joshua Bertrand on Thursday,
and I will be traveling this week. Hopefully I'll be
(40:07):
in chat while this is airing. And thanks so much everyone,
and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.
Hello, and welcome to the show. And Martin willis your host.
We got a great guest via tonight, Nudrien Cantalino, and
he was an intern and saw some amazing footage. We're
gonna be talking about that, and so recently someone had
told me to check him out on a UFO podcast,
which I did, the UAP Files, I believe it is,
(00:34):
and so I thought he would make a great guest,
and I did have a guest lined up, but the
whole thing it just worked out. So this is great.
I'm glad to have Nugent on tonight. Just a couple
of things. The reason this is pre recorded, and for
those of you who know how I do my shows,
I am too darn lazy to edit, so I do
even my pre recorded shows are just like they are live.
(00:58):
I don't touch them. I just, you know, do the
show and that's it. So anyway, I will be traveling
and I may I'll be flying up where when this
is airing. I think I might make it so I
can be in chat, but I'm not really sure or not.
I'm going from South Carolina up to the Boston area,
then Boston to Boston area, Portsmouth, New Hampshire. Then I'm
(01:23):
going to be heading to Shag Harbor and Nova Scotia.
I'm going to be the MC up there for the conference.
I'm pretty excited about that. Always love the people up there.
It's a lot of fun. So if you happen to
be going to the Shag Harbor, I always run into
people that listen to the show, Please let me know
while I'm there, and you know, we'll hang out and
(01:45):
have it's going to be a great time. And then
in a couple of weeks out on the seventeenth or
the twentieth, I'm going to be out in Sedona for
the Travis Walton sky Skyfire event, the fiftieth anniversary celebration, basically,
I guess you'd call the celebration of when Travis Walton
had his encounter, which was actually November fifth, nineteen seventy five,
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a little bit early, So October seventeenth through the twentieth
I'll be out out there. So our blog this week
is from Charles lear is a nineteen eighty one close
encounter report from Australia, so check that out. As always,
we're getting some of our we backed up a little
bit on our audio blogs and so we are getting
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those out a couple of week to catch up on them.
Charles does a great job on the audio blogs, and
I do have one blog that I'm putting in through.
Someone's going to be upset about it because I had
to have AI read it. I thought it was a
very good blog, but it was way back before Charles
started doing the audio blogs. So I have that one
coming up as well. So I think that's enough for housekeeping.
(02:53):
I want to thank everyone that does support the show.
I want to thank all the listeners, and I am
ready to bring in our great guest, Nugent. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Hey Martin, how are you? Thank you so much for
having me.
Speaker 1 (03:04):
Sure, and you have you have quite a background. You're
in the film industry basically, right.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
I am in the film industry correct. So my current
job is I am the co director and co you
would be co film commissioner, but co director of our
counties Film office. So we do all the TV shows
and movies that are, you know, filming in the Tri
State area. We have some really cool ones lined up.
(03:33):
And then I've worked you know, I've worked in visual
effects for a time and I also worked in news,
so I've done a lot in my thirty five years.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
That's right, And so you interned at Fox News and
where this whole thing happened and why you're here tonight,
and so can you just talk a little bit. We
don't have to dive directly right into it. Sure, but
it was about Appall eleven. Is that what was the
research was on?
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Or I was, yes, So at that point I was
interning that particular summer in the Fox News documentary unit.
So we were doing two documentaries that year. It was
Apollo eleven and nine to eleven. And at the time
it was it was two thousand and nine, so there
(04:24):
was an anniversary coming up with Pollow eleven and so
again it was two thousand and nine, so things were
not digitized the way they are now, right, So we
we had these big beta tapes that you like put
into like there's like giant VCR and you'd crank a
dial and you had to go to the footage and
(04:44):
it was a whole process, so you couldn't just like
hit a time code like you would now and cut,
you know, go right to the clip you're looking for.
So NASA had so we were looking at the basically
the footage that we were looking at was from like
Apolo eleven up into the present right, and it was
kind of like tracking like NASA's history and where you know,
(05:08):
how NASA grew and from Apollo eleven to the present
day at the time, and so NASA was sending over
all of their raw footage, their raw logs. So we
were getting these big beta tapes from NASA, and it
had his oldest raw footage in it, So we were
looking at footage from Apollo eleven, but then also looking
(05:28):
at footage from you know, the current the current time.
So with these beta tapes, you would get a written
log and it was like time coded, so you can
kind of, you know, whatever you were looking for. You
could just crank the dial to that time code. But
again it was never exact, and it's very important exact
(05:51):
and then you can kind of do what you had
to do to cut it up or ingest it or
whatever the term was.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
So I just asked you can I just ask you how,
because I remember there was a time where they actually
spliced tape. Is that what they were doing at this time?
Speaker 2 (06:04):
You know, So what you would do I don't remember
the exact process, but I believe so you would like
you would ingest it, they called it. So you would
basically like find the time code in like with this
like VCR thing, and then you would like stend it
off to a different department in Fox and then they
would upload it to the computer. So it was so
(06:27):
you weren't actually splicing it. But again the term they
used was in jest, and they had like an ingest
apartment that would get the footage that you were looking
at and feed it through into the into the system.
And it was like this whole complicated process if I remember,
where you had to like wait an hour and then
search the computer for it. It was like we've jumped
(06:48):
in technology so far since then, but so that's what
we were doing. So in this this particular day, it
was coming towards the end of the documentary or at
least like you know, like the editing process, and I
had to look for I remember it was a clip
of on this log, this written log, this timecode. It
was like George Bush speaking. So the footage usually the
(07:12):
footage that they bunched on these tapes, it's from around
the same time period, so it was George Bush talking
and I rewound too far because you can never get
the time code just right. And at the time I
had my own office, so it's just me and I was,
you know, doing the intern thing like find this footage,
(07:33):
d ingested the whole bit rewound too far and you
hear again dead series may dropped it right now. If
I'm lying, I it's you hear the like I guess
it was a female astronaut like speaking down to ground
control and she goes, can't come back into orbit because
(07:57):
of the UFO, and I was like, oh my god.
So I remember closing my door and I rewound a
little bit further, and the footage was it's like out
of the window of the Space shuttle and you could
see the Earth and you see this gray, little, perfectly
round disk or circular object just moving b line across
(08:22):
the surface of the Earth. And the female acto goes,
you know, speaking to ground control, tracking the UFO now,
and you just see this thing just moving in a
perfectly straight line pretty fast, you know, was not slow.
It wasn't like a rock tumbling b line across the
surface of the Earth. And then I ended up calling
(08:42):
my supervisor and I was like, Clay, you gotta come
look at this. Oh my god, and he again, like
I said in the past podcast, he was a big
skeptic and he was like, well, that could be anything,
that could be, you know, like they use the term
UFO for anything and they can't identify. But I'm a
pretty intelligent person. I'm an educated person. This was not
a rock, this was not space debris. It was perfectly round.
(09:04):
It was a grayish orb circle disc. It was just round.
It was perfectly round, and it was just moving b line.
And then years years later, I was on YouTube and
I was just looking up different UFO things that I've
been a big, big belaev in UFOs ever since I
was a small child, and I came across the video
(09:26):
that said leaked NASA footage and it was the exact
footage that I saw that day. And yeah, I have
tried to find it since I can. I mean, YouTube
is so innodated now with everything, it's so difficult to find.
It's like funny a needle in a haystack at this point.
But there were comments under that last podcast I did,
(09:48):
but other people that had said that they had seen
it too, So it's out there, so if anybody could
find it, I would love to see it again. But
I've tried.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
I've tried, well since I watched your you know, your
podcast and I looked as well, and then I thought, well,
I'm going to toss it into chat GPT and see
what that says, and that that that that didn't help
usually helps, you know, and somehow, you know, one way
or another. But yeah, I mean, I I I'm sure
(10:16):
that it could be out there and it could have
been deleted, you know, somewhere along the line, you know.
But you're right, there's a I forget how many hundreds
of hours per second or uploaded on YouTube. It's like
an amazing oh yeah, things so hard to find anything.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
It's not like the way it used to be, Like
you know, now everyone and everything's on YouTube, so it's
almost impossible to find, you know, things from like ten, fifteen,
twenty years ago.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Right right, So you know, I mean today, if this
happened today, you know, you would there were so many
things that you could do to capture that, you know,
but back then there wasn't any type of screen capture
you could do, or any type of real capture you
could do it to get that you didn't have on
two thousand and nine. You could have maybe had something
(11:05):
on your phone to video. I don't know, I can't
remember what we had back then.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Well, I didn't have well again with Fox, like I said,
like you couldn't ingest the whole video. You had to
just ingest the part that you were looking for. So
it wasn't even like I could have been like ingest
this entire video. And then it's like on a computer someplace.
But also too, like I was on my parents I
was nineteen, I was on my parent parents phone plan,
(11:31):
and I didn't have an iPhone. I had some like
shoddy Yeah, I had like some shoddy Verizon phone. I
don't even know if it could even record video, you
know what I mean, because you know, if Verizon didn't
have they didn't have iPhones at that point. They were
still at eighteen on AT and T and we were
at Horizon. So yeah, I didn't have like now like
to just whip out my iPhone and like record it.
(11:53):
But I didn't have that option back then, right.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Right, And so it was met with skepticism, you said,
And but you really had a feeling like you really
really saw something amazing.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Obviously, Actually there was no doubt in my mind that
that it wasn't like space debris or space junk like.
It was the way it was moving, the way it looked.
It was definite, definite, definite, definite.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
Now, I had a doctor, Gregory Rogers on this show,
and he was basically the surgeon, the flight surgeon for
the Shuttle, and I'm going to have him take a
look at this when you know, when this is up. Yes,
but yeah, but I can't really remember if he had
conversations about UFOs. But there's been so many conversations. I
(12:41):
sent you recently an old clip of this woman saying
that they air brushed out the UFO pictures at NASA.
So there's been a lot of talk about that, you know,
some of it conspiracy, maybe some of it not. You know,
so you obviously had a first hand, you know, situation,
and can you imagine what else there would be because
(13:04):
you just had that one little clip, you know, and
it seems to me, seems to reason this probably a
lot more.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Absolutely and also too, I'm not sure if I mentioned this,
but that particular clip was not on the written logs.
So whoever sent this tape out did not realize what they, like,
what was in this, like like this batch of footage,
you know, because it was not listed in the written
(13:31):
log at all. And that was really interesting.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
You know, it's kind of funny we had NASA, I
think it was like about a year ago, maybe a
little bit longer, where they said that they're going to
appropriate a whole hundred thousand dollars into researching you know, UFOs,
and I don't know whatever happened to that. I mean,
that's like buying everyone at NASA lunch one day, right,
(13:58):
But anyway, it's the thing of it is, is you
know the director of NASA, does he is he totally
unaware that these images and footage exists to begin with?
I mean makes you wonder.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
My personal belief is that I'm sure not everybody at
NASA knows, but I'm sure a good amount of people know,
and it's either something that's just not talked about or
it's one of those things where you're on like a
need to know basis, you know, and you only talk
about it like the clip you sent me where she said, like,
you know, they were airbrushing things out. And that's why
(14:38):
I think I think more people than not probably know.
That's what I think. M hm.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Now, I had I had spoken to Alan Bean, who
is the fourth person on the moon and real nice guy.
But I spoke to him on another podcast that I
have for fine art and antiques and things like that,
and that was my first podcast anyway I started. After
I started the UFO podcast in twenty eleven, I reached
out to him and said, hey, you know you were
(15:07):
on my podcast about your arc. Do you want to
talk about the UFO that you saw in nineteen seventy
one or two whatever it was on the Space Lab.
It's very well documented, so no, thank you all set.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Yeah, the stigma, Yes, absolutely what I am. And I
said this in the last podcast. You know, like I said, huge,
I'm a huge, huge, huge believer. Obviously so is my cousin,
and you know, we would talk about the stuff all
the time all the time growing up and whatnot. And
(15:43):
I'm so happy to be living in a time where
it's starting to become destigmatized right where everything going on
with congress Representative Luna who is really spearheading disclosure, and
I have a lot of hope that she's gonna really
like blow the doors off this. Yeah. I mean I
(16:06):
make sure to watch all the congressional hearings and bottom
line is this right, Whether people want to argue that
it's our tech, that it's interdimensional which is being thrown
around a ton, extraterrestrial, something is there, like that is
fact at this point, Like you can't really deny that, right,
something is there. It's a matter of who is piloting it,
(16:30):
you know, right, And that's how I feel.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
It's kind of like I feel like it's almost has
to be reverse engineered in a way. All right, they're here.
Now how did they get here? You know that type
of thing, or who are they and how did they
get here? But yeah, it's a big question, and you know,
the topic goes around a lot, whether inter dimensional or not.
I have a guest coming up on Thursday that I
(16:55):
know she's going to be talking a little bit of
her thoughts because I know she is an amazing person
and you know, I think she has multiple degrees about
you know, a PhD at Harvard and all that. But
her thoughts are that she really thinks they're extraterrestrial, and
she thinks that these are advanced and to the point
(17:16):
where they have a way to they have figured out
the vast distances in a different type of way. And
that's and I think that will happen. I think that,
you know, if if we're a million or even a
billion years more advanced, you know, we're going to know
so much more abuly, you know. I mean, there's just
these things in physics that we can't figure out right now,
that's all absolutely yeah, I have no idea. I never
(17:39):
want to say I know what they are, you know,
that's but I just I wonder you know what what
they are and what they want and what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
I'm gonna I'm going to ask you a question now,
this is my journal side coming out. What do you
believe that they are? From everybody you've spoken to, your
own research.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I would rather, I would rather say that I know
maybe even less than when I started, because I don't,
you know. I mean, I think there's possibilities, and there
are certain instances where I think that boy, you know,
interdimensional might work in that situation because of something blinking
out and blinking back in and you know, the different
(18:18):
things like that. But I I would my best guess
is that it's a combination and that we have very
little knowledge of what's really going on around us all
the time, you know, I mean, with our our all
our senses and our spectrum of vision and all that
we probably have, there's probably all kinds of things going
(18:38):
on that we just don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
And there's a whole spectrum of color that scientists say
that we can't even see. Our eyes can't perceive, you know.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yep, yep, there's there's Yeah. So no, it's a good
it's a it's a real mystery. And something like what
happens to that happened to you? That just opens the
door for you to be more curious. And I think
that's what it did for me when I had my sighting.
But you I listened to your podcast, Like I said,
you also had Are you near where those drones were happening?
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
So are yees?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
So I am in Long Island, New York, and so
Jersey's about Jersey could be anywhere, depending on time of day,
in an hour, hour and a half two hours, so I'm
not that far. But we started seeing them here, you know.
So I was driving through Jersey with someone and we
saw them, and then eventually, within like a week or two,
(19:36):
we started people started seeing them on the island. So
I absolutely saw them. One was like a red dot
that I had seen in the sky. It was just
it was obviously it wasn't a plain it was you know,
it was just this red dot flying. Trying to think
another one that the other ones that the ones that
I had seen Jersey, it was like a green color
(19:59):
and they were big, like the one in Jersey was big.
It wasn't like a small like little like model airplane
or something like that, you know what I mean, Like
it was decent size. So yeah, like they were all.
There was actually a few nights where my sister and
I started driving around to see if we could see
them down by the beach, and you could. It was like, oh.
(20:20):
Then another one that I saw was when I was
driving through Jersey the first time. It was like a
bowl of light like up on like to my right.
It was on like the side of the highway. And yeah,
so they were around. What they were I couldn't tell you.
And the obviously, you know, there's been so many theories around.
(20:42):
I think what President Trump said that they know what
they are, but they couldn't say. I think someone else
said it was China. But yeah, they were there. I
saw them. They were real, and we had them here
on the island.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's still it's still I think it's still a mystery.
I don't I still don't think we have the total
answers to as far as I know, you know. And
then the FAA, you know, according to the administration of
the FAA said that they knew they were testing, but
previously they said we are unaware of any testing or something.
So they did it back and forth on that one,
(21:18):
so I don't even know, you know.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
I agree, and like, why would the fa lie the
first time, you know what I mean, Like they would
just say, oh, we're testing x Y and we're testing drones, right,
like people know what drones are, so why would you
lie about it? And then there's all those new drones
now sightings and I think it's a europe right, it's
been going on.
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Yeah, well they've had at that same time that there were,
but people are saying that it's ongoing. It's not you know, yeah,
still ongoing, it's just not as much as it was.
But you know, there it was everywhere. It was in Germany,
it was in Australia, it was all over the place.
So yeah, that was, uh, that was bizarre. And it
happened the year before around the same time, and I'm
(22:00):
leave the year ahead of that around the same time
of year as well, So I don't I really don't
understand what that's about. But yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
I also I remember tim there was another one where
I was driving on the high It was always like
when you were on the highway. It was always like
near like highways near water. And I also I also
live I don't live too far from the beach. So
there was another one where another night where it looked
like it was. This one was big, it was like
four points it was and that obviously, yes, it could
(22:30):
obviously be a drone because drones do have four points.
But there was another like it was it was white
lights and there were four points flying on the side
near the highway. High but I mean you could obviously
see it.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Mmmmm hmm. All right, well get let's get back to
your your footage. Sure now, what happened? So this happened
to you? You talked to your boss. He was a skeptic, said,
you know, it's probably you know, debris or whatever it was. Yeah,
did you talk to other people there too?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I'm trying to remember if I spoke to our other
I well, yes, so I might have told her other supervisor.
But years later, when I was not an intern and
I was hired, I was on a popular show once.
I don't want to say the show's name, but I
was on a popular show. Now it's a popular show.
(23:21):
Back then it was just starting. This was in twenty fifteen,
twenty sixteen, and I happened to tell my new supervisor
on this show. I was like, oh my god, you
want to hear what happen to you when I was
an intern and what I saw and her and the
other guy, they laughed. They totally laughed it off. I remember,
(23:44):
I totally remember sitting at my desk and we all
had They would give us TVs, and you were supposed
to watch the channel or at least have the channel
on when you were working, And so how did I
get two? Fifteeny sixteen? So there was a UFO story
that one of the shows was doing, and I remember
(24:05):
I could hear them like laughing. You know when you
feel someone like looking at you, I could like hear
them laughing and like looking. I looked back and they
were looking at me, and I was like, Okay, I
feel like in my high score right now. But what's
so funny is that particular show has covered a lot
all the UFO stuff going on. So I was just like,
(24:25):
there's a part of me that has always wanted to
reach out and be like, see I told you so.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, yeah, well that's funny. Yeah. So they kind of
changed the tune a little, you know, like you mentioned earlier,
you know, with the you know, the hearings. I've been
to two out of three of those hearings. But because
of that, you know, more people are accepting it and
looking into it those types of things. You know, I
(24:51):
don't know how much it's going to move the needle,
but it just it seems like it at least it's
opening up, you know, more minds to it and right, And.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
I think personally, I think when you see people who
have credentials and they have a really strong resume, so
to speak, behind them, it makes the naysayers listen, right,
because it's not like Joe Schmo from Middle America being
(25:21):
like I was abducted last night, you know what I mean.
It's people who have again I don't I said, like
a really strong resume, a strong history behind them in
a position of power. Now that doesn't mean though that
somebody in a position of power is telling the truth.
(25:42):
But Joe Schmo isn't you know what I mean. But
because of the optics of it, people listen.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Yes, yep, that's right. So just just we're in this
thing across the line down here. So just our upcoming guests.
This coming up this Thursday is Jensen Anderson. I just
mentioned her a minute ago talking about basically how we
would react if we were, you know, introduced to an
(26:12):
extraterrestrial civilization. You know, I particularly think that we're probably
going to be warring, as that's what we always seem
to do, you know, shoot him down type of thing,
type of situation. I don't know, we'll see. But anyway,
a week from tonight, David Marlar comes up. Now, last
time I had David marlarn I messed up and everyone
(26:35):
was showing up for David Marlar. He's a great researcher,
and I messed up on the take and wondered where
he was that He said, I told you, I'm at
a conference anyway, So yeah, I mean, you probably feel
a little more more comfortable these days talking to someone
about you know, what you saw than you would have,
(26:56):
you know, even back a few years ago.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
Really, oh, absolutely absolutely, because now you know, people don't
look at you like you have two heads or you're
making it up or you know, X, Y and Z,
and you know, I just people in just like my
everyday life. Whenever, like the hearings are going on, I
try and say, like, oh, you should watch this, this
is going on today, This is not you know, this
(27:21):
isn't a joke. This is being taken seriously, you know.
And I got to say, the majority of the people
in my life are or have become believers in this
stuff for the most part, if they weren't prior.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
I see now where you're on Long Island, and have
you ever heard of the Tedesco brothers.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I believe I have.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Yeah, that's someone that want to connect with. They actually are.
There's a park it's called something Moses Park. I can't
think of the do you are you familiar with Moses. Yeah,
that's it, Robert Moses Park. They go there all the
time and there they have amazing equipment in this RV.
I went down and visited and hung out with them
(28:08):
for a night, trying to, you know, see what they
see because oftentimes they will capture Yeah. I can make
the connection for you. Please do, please do, But they're there.
They are so dedicated. They're there all the time, all
the time. They're there every week, weekend, and they say
all all till all hours in the morning. It happened
(28:28):
to be that one night that they left early was
the night that but I was ready to go because
it's kind of like fishing. You sit there and wait
and wait and wait. You know, something happens or it
doesn't happen, but you should see the equipment that they have.
The night after I left, they had seen sightings. And
then there's a great, great guy, doctor Keith Taylor, who
(28:55):
was there with them, and he had Heath thinks that
he had some actions from some orbs that he was
all excited. He contacted me and said, this just amazing.
It felt like they was under intelligent control. And they
got it all on radar, they got it on film.
And you would think that you would hear more about
it when there, when there's so much equipment. But at
(29:18):
the last hearing, for instance, there was Wiggins, Chief Wiggins,
who was an active member. You know, they had this
video they showed I'm sure you saw it looks like
a tic tack. And then they had that radar. They
had multiple witnesses and Arrow never even looked into it,
which is quite amazing.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Arrow, to me is the new Project blue Book.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
Yeah, basically a lot of people say that.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel about it.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Yeah, window dressing and you know, trying to keep some
people a little bit quiet, like they're you know, I
think so, you know, I had I had the former
acting director Tim Phillips on, great guy, very interesting, but
you know, I just I just feel as though that
there's no the transparency there isn't really true martially, but
(30:14):
not not all the way through.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
I think I think Arrow had ulterior motives. That's what
I think. So whenever I see that pot in my okay,
and I think it was representative Luna who called I
can't think of his name, the kirk Patrick, I heard it, Yes, yes, liar,
like right there. She was just like he's he's like
a documented liar.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
So yeah, that was kind of surprising, but in this climate,
you know, it's it's not all that surprising. But but anyway,
I was one of the things that impressed me the most.
I was there with the first one with David Grush
and the second one with Luel Zonda, these are and
other people. Of course, David Fravor was at the first one.
(30:57):
Ryan Graves who's been on the show, he was there.
But it felt really historic and for for you to
sit there in the audience and watch these people that
fight about everything, you know that the political battles constantly,
(31:17):
and they're both they're all getting along and they're all
asking great questions. I thought that was such a great
thing to see.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Absolutely, and I think I'm so I gotta be honest,
I'm so jealous. You've got to be there because I mean,
like you said, it's historic, and I wish more people
understood the weight and the gravity no pun intended of
these congressional hearings, you know, I mean this is history
like this, and like you said, like both sides are
(31:47):
getting along. I think it was Ronald Reagan who and
correct me if I'm wrong, if I have the wrong president,
but I think it was Ronald Reagan that I'm paraphrasing
that there was like the famous quote where it was like,
if you know, we were to be faced with like
an extraterrestrial threat, that we would come together as a world.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Yeah that's basically Reagan. And yeah, that was Reagan. But
I mean that's basically what he said exactly what Yeah,
you know, I don't even know if that was paraphrasing.
I think it's pretty much what he said. But and
it's it. It is something that you know, I think
of quite often in a way. It would be really
nice to get some unity, and too bad it would
(32:29):
have to take something like that. But I mean it
would not just a threat. I mean, just if we
understood that we were, you know, not alone, I think,
you know, maybe we'd possibly come together more than we
have been.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And I know there's like a whole big debate about,
you know, putting all like disbelief aside, right from somebody
who is a skeptic, Like, you know, let's just say again,
anyone watching is a skeptic, let's put all your disbelief
aside for a second. Say this is all legit, all real, everything, right.
I know that there's been talk that it's like religious
(33:08):
reasons why, like parts of the government doesn't want it
and they don't want it out. But you know, if
you believe in God, you believe in a higher power,
whatever that higher power is. Who said that that higher
power couldn't create life elsewhere? In the universe. Why does
it Why do we have to be the be all
end all? Right? Who said, if you believe that an
(33:30):
omni president present being created the entire universe, why couldn't
he or she or it have created life elsewhere, even
if that is interdimensional, even if it's not from a
different planet.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
You know, Yeah, no, no, I mean, it's the odd
side that we're alone is very, very low. I think
about any scientists, may you know think along those lines
that there's very few that think that we're alone. I think,
I agree, I agree. You know, what's always curious to
me is what started the first spark of life? That's
(34:05):
like me too, you know, And maybe someday they'll be
able to duplicate that they have been trying to, which
I think is fascinating.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
But I know, but yeah, there was a whole thing
with the web telescope that they were hoping to see
the Big Bang, and they realized that the universe is
way older than they thought.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yep, that's right. Yeah, that's going to teach us a lot,
you know when you think of just it's so funny.
We're on this little outer arm of Orion and we
have just can just see you know so much, but
still we can see such a vast universe from what
(34:44):
we can see is it's just crazy. And you know,
I mean, how would it be the end of anyway,
you know what I mean, how would there be the
end in the beginning. It's just so hard to fathom
all that stuff.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
But right, everything about the web Telescope, I just I'm
so fascinated by I keep up with it. I check
up every day, every couple of days as he was
going on, and I just think it's such It's just again,
it's another thing. I don't think people realize the gravity
of it. You know, it's so it's groundbreaking, it really is.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
Right. I got to see that when it was being built,
you know, I stopped. I was, yeah, it was. It
was really cool. This contain big, huge containment, romantic pictures
of it, and there were these people in these white
you know, uh hasmat type suits. Everything's dust free, and
they were you know, just the thing the fact that
those mirrors came out and worked exactly the way they
(35:33):
were supposed to. And it's like a million miles away.
I mean, it could have just been like uh trash
if that didn't I mean, they were all just crossing
their fingers when everything, uh, you know, when they first
got the image back is like, I mean, there's so
much invested in time invested. But anyway, so I think
(35:55):
it's been really interesting to talk to you. It's been great,
you know. I mean, we're just one last thing here.
I was thinking about. So you're nineteen years old, you're
an intern. When you came home that night, did you
talk to your parents about this?
Speaker 2 (36:08):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I remember telling my father and mother
and they were just kind of like, oh, that's nice.
I get it. Really. My mother, however, has become a
huge believer in this stuff because she's been started. She's
like watching Skinwalker Ranch. She started watching. I got her into.
I always read the name Louela Zondo's on History Channel.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
He's showing Oh yeah, yeah, I can't think of the name.
Yeah yeah, ified.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
It's like I'm blanking. But my buddy worked on it.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 2 (36:44):
He was a sound guy. You see him in the
background and yeah. And then of course, my cousin, who
I had mentioned in the previous podcast that he was
invited to the first Soul Conference and he was told
some like mind blowing things, and I say, like, that's
his story to tell. I don't want to, like, you know,
put him his name out there without him saying it himself.
(37:07):
But if you want to speak to him, I'd be
happy to get you guys in touch. And the stuff
he was told, he thinks my story is so cool.
He's like, oh my god, like you you most likely
start an actual UFHON And I'm like, yeah, but like
what you were told was like wild.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So see, we actually well, first of all, it was
called unidentified inside UFO investigation was identified yep. But so
he had a basically off my conversation.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Yes, he had with with a handful of people, and
one was again when we stopped, just like last time,
when we stopped recording, I'll be happy to tell you
what was said. But one who was very very prominent,
a very very prominent name, had an off my conversation
and someone from an organization he spoke to, and the
(37:59):
stuff that he was told was like, I was like,
do you understand what you like the implications of what
you were told was wild in my opinion.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
In my op well, you know, I've talked to Chris
Mellon and lou Elisondo and you know, different people over
the years, and you know, basically have come right out
and said, do you know things that you can't say
that you think would change the mind of everyone, And
they both basically say, well, I don't remember if I
asked Chris mellon that exactly, it was a long time ago.
(38:29):
But but Lou definitely says, oh, yes, you know, and
you know a lot of people, mate, they don't like
to hear that. They would rather not it's like just
say it, you know, like of course, right if if
someone's going to like get in big trouble, you know,
they don't you know, like of course he would if
(38:52):
he said something that was classified or whatever, exactly have
a problem. But that must be if you actually have
information that you know is real but you can't talk
about it, that must be really tough.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Right exactly. It's it's yeah, it's something, it's interesting. But yeah,
remember when he went, my cousin went. He was actually
invited back to the one in Italy that's going on,
but I don't know if he's going to it. Yeah,
but yeah, I found what he was told to be like, wow,
(39:28):
I'll tell you when we stop recording.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah. Yeah, well, anyway, it's been really great. I really
appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (39:33):
Thanks, it's been such a pleasure. Thank you so much
for it's been an honor. You've done, like so many
cool things. You've interviewed so many amazing people, So thank
you for including me in the conversation. I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
You bet all right, Thanks again. All right, take care
of already one. So we'll be back coming up to
this Thursday with Jensen Anderson. Next week we have Dave
Marler on Tuesday and then we have Joshua Bertrand on Thursday,
and I will be traveling this week. Hopefully I'll be
(40:07):
in chat while this is airing. And thanks so much everyone,
and remember to keep your eyes to the sky.
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