November 21, 2025 • 53 mins
Join Martin and UFO Jack as they dive into a detailed, no-nonsense review of the newly released documentary The Age of Disclosure — a film already being called one of the most iconic and provocative UAP productions to date. In this episode, we break down the movie’s claims, message, threat narrative, historical framing, and its impact on the disclosure conversation happening right now. Whether you're a seasoned UFO researcher or just curious about what all the buzz is about, this review highlights what the film gets right, where it stretches, and why it matters. Grab a seat — we’re going deep on evidence, narrative framing, and the broader implications for UAP transparency.
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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willsher host,
and I'm here with my friend Jack. Jack. Thank you
for helping me out here. Jack actually helps me out
on YouTube. It's been helping out for several months and
has made a lot of really good clips that you
see up there, and has done a lot of great work.
So I always appreciate that, Jack, And so we are
(00:36):
here today to talk to you about the I think
it's a great film. I watched it. I just finished
watching it and the Age of Disclosure. But I think
before we get started, let's just say, first of all,
what'd you think of the movie? I mean, I thought
it was really great. What your feelings about it?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I thought it was awesome. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I thought it was really good for the community to
get that out there. I mean, we've all been waiting
for it for like what since March when it aired
over in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So like right south by Southwest, And it's funny, I'm
showing the picture here on YouTube. Now. These are all
the people that were there at that event. And my
friend who lives down wearing him now down in South Carolina.
He traveled there and he sat through that and you know,
watched it, and it's funny when people aren't into the
(01:28):
UFO topics. Says, yeah, that was good, but it was
me not into the UFO topic. If I watch that,
I go, oh my god, there's really something to this,
you know. I mean, I just think it's funny how
different people react. But anyway, I'm going to start out
what's up. I did get permission from the publicists, so
I'm going to play the trailer to it right here.
Here it goes.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
The American people are ready to receive the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
K Mandy is not the only intelligen in the universe.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Humanity is not the only intelligence species.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We are absolutely not alone. Non human intelligence exists.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The UAPs are real, they're here, and they're not human.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I spent twenty five years as a senior official with
the CII I worked on a highly classified UAP program.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Of twenty eight years as an astrophysicist.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I served as the fourth Director of Nation Intelligence.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Director of Aviation Security in the National Security Council.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The one star admiral after thirty two years of service.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Able le come forward with this, I feel like they've
taken their life in their own hands.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I was recruited into a highly sensitive government program that
investigated unidentified aerial phenomenon.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
For over sixteen years on behalf of the US government,
I worked as a senior intelligence official on the Unidentified
aero phenomenon topic.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
We learned that the US government was involved in a
long running secret war with other nations to collect and
verse engineer vehicles not made by humans.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I have seen my own eyes non human craft and
non human beings. The first country that cracks the code
on this technology will be the leader for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
China has established its own version of the UAP Task Force.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Do you think for a second that they wouldn't consider
using it to achieve their ends of domination.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
This is similar to the Manhattan Project. This is the
atomic weapon on steroids.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
This is so secret, very very few people in our
entire government that can allow access to it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Even presidents have been operating on a need to know basis.
But that begins to ramp out of control.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that
no one ever sees.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You'd better be careful about a government doesn't trust in stable,
because there's no telling what they'll pull on you. This
is the biggest discovery in younistry.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You had information being locked away that could change the
trajectory for species.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Has so many beneficial impacts, including clean energy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We should have disclosure today, We should have disclosure tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The time has come.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
What else you want to know?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
So, yeah, that's a that's a great trailer. But I
have to say, you know, it's pretty funny. Today I
get several texts and emails from people saying, hey, well,
I saw you in the movie. But I'm not a
participant in the movie. I have to because they are
very clear. I just happen to be at you know,
(04:58):
both DC hearings, and so that's that's how I show up.
It's really funny. I just took a picture I'm looking
for here awesome. Yeah, you can see me phone in
the back. I held that phone up the entire hearing.
But when that the first hearing. And also there's another
(05:18):
scene of me talking in a hallway, which is pretty funny.
But that's the only cut I made on this movie.
But yeah, it was that was anyway, that's you know,
just a small part of the movie. I think there's
you know a lot of times people say to me, well,
do you get anything new out of it. That's what
everyone wants to know, anything new, And I got to
(05:40):
say this time, I'm going to say, yes, I did
get a lot of new things out of it. I
don't know if that's something you want to address first
before me, or would you like me just to throw
in you know what, I what I got.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think I'm looking at my notes here as I'm
looking down Martin.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think for me, he.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, one thing that I thought that was interesting was
what Lu said, how he seemed pretty confident. And I
don't know if I don't remember him saying this on
other podcasts when he was doing his podcast run and
I even saw him in Boston when he did his
presentation at Yeah Yeah the Winery and they talk about
the physics of it and the bubbles, and they talk
(06:23):
about the bubbles and the documentary again too, But he
was saying how he was like pretty much confident, like
he knew the way he talked about it, that NHI
is doing what he calls active ISR intelligence, surveillance and
reconnaissance on us as a species. But it was like
said so direct. I don't remember him being so forefront,
(06:45):
almost as if he researched that found the evidence for it,
and now he's telling us like, yeah, they're watching us
and they're collecting data on us as a species. That's
the way it was presented to me in the film
that I thought was interesting. But yeah, I'd love to
know what you think and some of the things that
you saw that you learned in that film too. I mean,
you've been out for fourteen years now, I've only been
(07:06):
doing this for three to four years, so it'd begin take.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, well, it's always great to hear you know your
take as well on it. So first of all, I
want to say hi to everyone that's joined us tonight
in chat. We have Mary Grace Kirby, a long, long,
long time listener of the show, I think well over
ten years. We also have Jay, thank you for being here,
John Hawks, a stargazer duckhead who's in here quite a
(07:33):
bit Alien girls, she's kind of the last few weeks
I've been joining in. Thank you for joining us, Fellman twelve,
Thank you again. Everyone here, Ghosts I like that ghost
writer and so thank you Danger Sep and let's see
anyone else. Oh look, Mendnopolis is here. Hi, bendy Us
(07:56):
and Whistle Mike. Thank you all for being here, and yes,
for those of you who have not seen the movie,
I will tell you that it's a very good production.
I had a conversation with another filmmaker, be unnamed, and
he said that all the beautiful houses that they were
(08:17):
in the you know, beautiful furniture and antiques and gorgeous
ceilings and very decorative, they're all green screened. I don't
know if you know. He says he has an insight
on it. They're all green screen I never thought I
would never guess that, never guess that. But that doesn't matter. Still,
it's still edited, beautifully put together, belise. And one of
(08:39):
the things that about when you're just talking about Lou,
one of the things he said that really caught my
ear was that Lou has said on this show and
I tried to push him on it, and he finally
gave more information, and that's he said. He pondered, put
the question out there, like what if there's some type
(08:59):
of intelligence that's always been here and we're not the
top of the food chain as far as intelligence goes.
And so he elaborated on that more like a breakoff
species that you know, he went into that a bit
and it just made it more intriguing. I really want
to know more about you know, you know, because one
of the things he always says, you know, the caveat
(09:22):
is that he can't you know, disclose, uh, you know,
classify information, which I totally get. Some people get pretty
angry at him for not, you know, spilling it all,
but he doesn't. Who wants to you know, lose everything
and end up in the slammer, you know. So yeah,
a couple of things. One of the things I thought was,
(09:44):
we're going to try to do no real spoilers here,
but just on the base of what the movie the summary,
I do want to get quote because and I wrote
this down just just one second, because this quote, to
me is one of the most profound ones in the movie.
(10:04):
Jay Stratton, who was actually Lou Alessandro's superior, and so
Jay Stratton basically says, I have seen with my own
eyes non human craft and non human beings. You know,
that's to me, if you know, I mean, that's the
(10:25):
first a business and with his position, I mean, how
could you go against that? I mean I just think
that is incredible and I think one of the takeaways
and we could talk about it a little bit as
we get into this some more. But how strong the
Legacy pro program is, And that's something that I have
(10:48):
always talked about on this show, like, okay, so let's
just say Roswell happened. Roswell happened, and there's some information
and there's hardware from Roswell. Well it goes somewhere, well generational,
how does this get passed down? And that is you know,
what would be considered a legacy situation. So they explained
(11:10):
all that very well, and the blocks were coming from
the people involved in the Legacy program. How this information
has passed down and perhaps and private contracting, private hands,
things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right, So with the CIA at the Helm, when they
put that graph up, I thought that was really nice
to see.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh yeah, so yeah, I mean, just I'll put up
your quotes. Unfortunately, I don't have any way to take
a phone call for a while here. So this is
I believe, it's an opinion. Here we are here and
have been here walking amongst humans. Oh okay, that's pretty funny. Okay,
I get that. That's good. That's good. But anyway, so
(11:55):
I welcome all your questions in chat. And I'm not
sure who has actually seen you know the movie or not,
you know, just premiere today. At one point, a wonderful
gentleman friend Keith, had asked me, h, doctor Keith, I'm
just trying to think this last name. He's been on
(12:16):
my show, just spacing on his last name, Uh Keith,
and what uh is it?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Taylor?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, thank you, Heith Taylor, doctor Keith Taylor. So he
invited Donna and I up to the premiere. He bought
tickets for us everything. So I was I had planned,
like we both had planned, well, let's just do it,
you know, figure out a way to do it. But
then with all the TSA and the cancelations of flights
(12:46):
and things like that, we just both got nervous and
decided that we were not going to make it there.
So anyway, and that's going on right now as we speak.
This is the premiere is happening in New York right now. Yeah.
So but anyway, I got the notice first thing this morning.
I think I got the notice in the middle of
the night when I woke up and I looked, oh, yeah,
(13:08):
your movie is available now because I pre ordered it.
You know, when I found out I wasn't going to
New York, I pre ordered it. But you know what's
the good thing out Earlier we talked about self by
Southwest and when my friend was out there, you know,
he was at the at this and you know, he
said there was great questions from the audience, you know,
(13:30):
I mean, I think he was almost as impressed about
that as a as he was watching the movie. And
I don't know, what are your thoughts, Jack, you watched
the movie. If you were like someone who never paid
any attention at all to the UFO topic, and you
had to be on a plane or something and you
watch that, don't you think you'd be a little curious,
(13:53):
Like I mean, I I feel like he was in it,
but I feel as though that was a very convincing movie.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I yeah, And it's I'm in the same boat as you,
Martin in terms of like being in it. Once I
had my own sighting, like I know, like I know,
what I saw was not like anything that we use
on a daily day basis. That was flying around in
my town here, and like I I in a world
where you can find everything online and research whatever and
(14:26):
you'll eventually find what it is that you're looking for.
This one glowing orb that I saw, I I to
this day can't find anything online about what I saw
that night, which is so weird in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I feel like that shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So I feel it's kind of hard for me to
step out of that box and pretend like I never
had that sighting. And I've done all this research, and
let's say I just like Star Wars or something and
lived a mundane life and never saw UFO.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What would I think if I saw this film.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I feel like I feel like you have to pay
attention after watching something like this. I just hope it
gardners the public's attention and gets enough airplay that enough
people know that it's even out. Like I'm too close
to the topic. Like I watched this film right away.
I was so pumped. But I don't think everybody else
views it that way. I think it'll take a while
to percolate. I don't know if it'll be something that's overnight.
(15:16):
I think there was some CNN news anchor that said
it was up for strong recommendation for an award for
a documentary.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know what award that was, but yeah, something.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's a class it's a class model of a
production there. I mean, everything about it is just so
well done, put together, you know, music, you name it.
Everything is right there. I'm putting this post up because
I have not heard of this. Schmael Nuk is wondering,
has anyone have any info on the alleged eighty foot
(15:49):
tic tac that the Russians obtained. This is something I
haven't heard of. If anyone is watching live right now
in chat, please do post what you know about that,
or a link or anything. I have not heard anything
about it, so I'll go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I was going to say, and I was just agreet.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, okay, so Mendanopolis just I know this isn't a question,
but I'm still putting it up here. As argued by
Vladimir Putins, such high tech weapons systems neuroweapons will be
compare comparable in effect to nuclear weapons, but will be
more acceptable in terms of political military ideology. And she
(16:28):
goes on to write that quote makes me think about
what Jay said when Jay Stratton said that this is
you know, the nuclear I think you said the Manhattan
Project on steroids or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, so there were thirty
four people in that being interviewed thirty four people. That
is huge.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's about not just like the top names in the
US phone world, right, everybody talks about and knows about
how put off Jay Stratton, lou Arizonda, Chris Mellan, they're
all in there, right.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And Eric Davis. So someone had and Eric Davis said
a lot of profound things, and you know, I don't
know what, you know, the average person thinks of Eric Davis.
He did hold you know, really high positions. He's kind
of an unusual fellow. But but I don't think he's
(17:31):
just you know, blowing smoke. It sounds to me that,
you know, there's really that he knows a lot, because
it kind of fit in with what other people saying.
A lot of things that Mark Marco Rubio said was
very very interesting. I thought, uh, you know, and he
(17:51):
basically says, you know, his his quote, you know, is
basically the American people deserve to know the truth. And
I think another thing that really showed in this Jack
was that you never really see bipartisan cooperation on any
other topic that it can possibly think of, then in
(18:15):
this topic, I mean, there are two people on the
other side of the eye of each other, that can't
stand each other, or they maybe that's a show. I mean,
there's such division, but they're they're on the same page
with this, and you know, it's too bad we can't
do more like that in this country. But still I
(18:36):
think it's because of that alone, you know. I mean,
if a vote was put to the people, to the
American people, all the American people, we want to know
exactly what's going on, every single part of what is
going on, and that vote came through and it had
to be disclosed somehow. Of course, I'm just talking as
(18:57):
a layman here, but if there's something that could be
that could be pushed through that really addressed everything that
you know, and then there was no way to back
out of it, you know, I'm just wondering what it
would take to really get all the information.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It would be probably a super large, coordinated effort, I
would imagine, so at the highest levels for something that's
been that top secret for that long and is buried
between multiple different organizations, both public and private. I mean,
just trying to get some kind of information about it.
I don't it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I don't think anybody knows enough about it to know
what that would even look like. And if they claimed
to have known, then I wouldn't I wouldn't believe that person.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think it's been so secret for so long very
and is.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It Senator Rounds. He had a lot of really good
things to say, so there was the humor. Rounds. Do
I want to say, Bill? Is that what it was?
That was really interesting and one of possibly one of
the mistakes they made. And this isn't my idea. This
(20:13):
is I think I heard Ross coltheart say say it,
and I agree with him on that, and that is
in that was a eminent domain clause. And I think,
you know, if corporations really do have this, and they've
figured out a way to make money on whatever they
back engineered, or the possibility of making a huge amount
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of money in the future of what they are trying
to back engineer, they are going to protect that type
of hardware to the end, you know, whatever it is.
I don't think any eminent domain could actually access it
of any type because they would bury it if they
(20:56):
thought that was it. And of course that bill never
saw the light of day because I think there's just
too many powerful people, you know, stopping that type of situation.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yep, And I feel like, I mean, it gets darker
than that in terms of I remember Ross Colhart reporting
on it, where like it's blue on blue attacks, meaning
like people of the same military are engaging in violent
conflict with each other just to keep the secret secret,
(21:31):
and that's never a good sign, I feel like. But
I'm just speaking as a layman, But yeah, I mean,
the music was great for this documentary and the production
value was top notch. I don't know, Martin, do you
think it would be a good idea if I quoted
something that Lou Alezando's said at the.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
End of the film.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't think it was released on any of the trailers,
so it might be a spoiler for anybody in the chat,
So cover your ears if you don't want to hear it.
But I thought it was an interesting quote. So lu goes,
I'm just reading from my notes here, so I'm going
to be looking off to the side. I felt tremendous
pressure to share what I can because I know there
will be a time when we all wished we have
(22:12):
done things differently. And then he goes that moment is imminent,
and of course in the film, there's a dramatic pause.
I'm sure there's music playing too, Yes, the name of
his book as well. When that moment comes, I know
people will say, I wish someone would have told me sooner.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I would love to know what he means by like,
you know what's coming that's so imminent?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Like what, what's the deal? Why is this all happening?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I mean, they've been at this what since twenty seventeen,
This giant ball has been rolling, and it took them
what five years just to get this documentary out that
maybe not everybody's going to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it's been like a slow well in UFO world.
I feel like it's been increasing out of much faster rate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But even at this rate in terms of all the
happenings that have been going on in the UFO world
in the past five years, since the first hearings back
in twenty twenty three and twenty seventeen, if you want
to go back to the New York Times article, but
even if you zoom out further, it's really been a
slow bleed, a slow drip of information here and there.
But there has to be a reason why they've sped
(23:20):
up in the past five to six years, wouldn't you agree,
Martin culminating up to this documentary.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You would think, so, I mean, it does feel that way.
And I also want to invite anyone that's participating, thank
you all for being here. If you'd like to type
in chat, if you did watch the movie, and you know,
feel free to put your thoughts or a one liner
in there, and if you'd like to so one of
the things you know I said earlier, Okay, you can
(23:45):
close your ears in this one too, if you don't
want to hear this. But one of the things that
really stood out to me is when lou Elizondo once
again was saying that there was a committee of twenty
seven people that were individuals that were mulling over the
idea of using extreme measures to quiet both himself and
David Grush. Yeah, and and then he went on to say,
(24:11):
I do believe he said he meant that to silence them,
kill them, you know, I mean, maybe that's a little extreme,
but I don't know. I mean I would think that
would be.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And so Mary Grace put this in just just as
I was saying it. I think, you know there is
a delay here, So as I was saying, before I
even said this, she was typing this in there. Yes,
that's yeah, that was that was quite a statement during
the movie. So yeah, I mean I like the fact
(24:49):
that a lot of it took place in Washington, d C.
You know, I mean that was symbolic in a type
of way. And and so someone did say to me
as a joke, well, I know that. I notice now
I'm going to probably open up a can of worms
here because there are people that have.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Thoughts who cares.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I noticed Bob Lazaar wasn't in the movie, but we'll
just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He wasn't. Neither was Stephen Greer.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Good point. However, they did talk about something that Stephen
Greer constantly talks about, and that's zero point energy, you know.
They did, they did talk about that possibility. And and yes,
I also thought it was really incredible of the theories
and thoughts, you know, because we have no proof, but
(25:45):
of how these things may travel. To me, that was
very very interesting, fascinating because in a way, you know,
it kind of makes sense because you know, as David
Fraber put it, you know, some thing is traveling at
you know, I think you said eighty thousand feet and drops,
(26:05):
you know, so many thousand feet, then if it was
a person, they would turn into pudding. And so they
have a different theory and how this can happen within
a bubble type of thing. And I do believe that
Robert Schroeder, who's been on this show a number of
times over the years, has had a theory similar to
(26:26):
that that he's talked about. So, you know, it's all speculation.
We really don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But no one knows.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, well, I will say when I saw Lou Alizondo
give his presentation in Boston about UFOs and he talked about,
you know, the bubbles and trying to explain their propulsion systems,
and then it was brought up again in the documentary.
With my I can only relate to my own sighting
and what I saw that night back in twenty twenty
(26:54):
two was when the orb shut its light off when
it was darkarker than the night sky behind it. I
thought I was seeing spots in my vision, but I
saw a dark center mass. But around that dark center mass,
I could see almost like this squiggly line in the
night sky around the dark center mass. And to me
it could be now that I've heard lose presentation in
(27:17):
this documentary. You know that maybe I saw that quote
unquote bubble that that or may have been operating in
when it was floating across town that night. I have
no idea, but there was definitely, you know, a circle
within a circle that I saw across the night sky.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So I think I don't think.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's a coincidence that they're talking about bubbles compared to
what I saw floating the sky that night.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Now, what I saw, I didn't And I do believe
someone was asking how much it costs to rent on Prime.
I do believe I paid twenty four or twenty four
ninety five something like that for me. You know, it's
it's kind of a lot of money. But I definitely
thought it was worth seeing. I really really, I am
very glad that I watched it. So my own UFO
(28:04):
sighting had a light blue glow around it. But it
seems to me that, you know, what they showed is
a flir video, and they said, well, the possible you know,
fuzziness around it could be what they're talking about. However,
I don't think when people are seeing this visually that
they see that. I know, I didn't I had a
blue glow around mine, but I didn't see like a
(28:26):
distortion of what could be some type of bubble. Like
it does show up and flur and maybe that's the
only way it can be detected, if that's what it is.
Sight Oh okay, so thank you Mary Gray. She sent
me straight here. It is twenty four ninety nine to buy,
(28:47):
so I had to do that. I had to pre
order it. I pre ordered it, you know, a week
or so ago. But you can rent it for nineteen
ninety nine. So but anyway, you know, the price always
goes down. But I'm going to say that if you
rent it, it's worth it and you're gonna be happy
that you did. And Dan Ferrara, who put this movie together.
I've been in touch with the publicity company and Donna
(29:10):
has all the way back in since January and been
working quite close with them and to get Dan on
the show. And then I guess he got so busy
that he couldn't make it. He was supposed to be
on before this, before the premiere, but it just didn't
work out. So hopefully i'll have him on you know after,
(29:30):
you know, he's on you know things that of course
he's gonna be on things like Joe Rogan like he
was and uh, you know, I think he was on
with the Chris Como and and others, and of course
he was on with Bill Maher uh and so you know,
he's gotten a lot of exposure. So I'm just a
(29:52):
little lovely podcaster here. Uh. You know, maybe he'll be
on eventually. And but you know, when he gets that
type of publicity out there and doing those socks, it
makes a huge difference. I totally understand it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I feel like he'll be busy for a little while too,
But I wouldn't be surprised if you'll get him for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, I'll try. I do what I always do and
just sell you know how long I was the first
one to you know, interview this person and that person,
like Chris Millan and stuff like that. So you know
its it basically. I like the way they talk about,
you know, the eighty year global cover up. I think
that's important. And there are people like James Clapper and
(30:39):
Brennan and all these high up you know, former intelligence
people that I mean, they don't get much higher than that.
They were actually you know, chiming in on what they
thought this was you know, what was going on in general.
So yeah, I mean I think, you know, there's been
(31:03):
a lot of buzz about this, and I know there
was a stumbling block somewhere along the line for them
getting this movie out there. And I only know it
because I know some people in the film business, and
it was pitched something that dropped through, and so that's
why it took so long to come out, because you know,
(31:23):
things were you know, it didn't look good for a while.
But now it's you know, it's not in theater release
as far as I know, maybe it will be. You know,
at this point, you know, things changed when COVID came along.
You know, people like Randall Nickerson with the Ariel phenomenon
beautiful film. His was all set to go in the
(31:44):
theaters and COVID came along, and then James you know,
with the phenomenon, James Fox, and so everyone's adjusted to
the way these things work and there's more of an
online experience now than ever, and you know, and I
think that's, uh, that's just what we're going to have
(32:07):
to be doing. I don't know about things like this
going into the theater. So I do want to say
if anyone has any questions or any comments on the
movie itself, please do put in there. And if you
happen to have a question, just put in all caps. Again.
I'm sorry. We don't have any way to talk to
on the phone right now, we are working. I have
(32:28):
looked into phone systems because there are some people that
I sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Know what's that they want to call in?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, the people want to call in. But also there's
you know, for instance, Stanley Gordon and Pennsylvania. I love
having him on the show, but he's only ever been
on the phone, and so is Stanton Friedman. Stanton Freedman
would only do the phone in the old school. So yeah,
But anyway, anyone have any questions or anything, and you know,
(32:58):
we can run the trailer one more time. I try
to find a bunch of images online and there's really
not much because a lot of whenever they create a
movie like this, they have stills that they put out there,
and I'm just not seeing, you know, too much of
that out there and just looking to see what I yeah,
see that's blurry. I mean, I it was just really not.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Did you what did you think of how put Off
in the film when he made the ant analogy explanation.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I thought that was hilarious, very subtly, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't know if it was intended to be portrayed
that way, but the compare. He I didn't know if
he was saying humans were ants in this equation, but
he was just using ants as an example in terms
of trying to identify if this was actually a threat
or not. He was saying, like, oh, sometimes when you
have ants in the backyard, like you know they're there,
(33:51):
but you leave them alone and you guys kind of coexist.
But once they come in your house and you have
an infestation and becomes a problem, and then you exterminate them.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I was like, he didn't word it that way, but
I was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Man, like it's really belitting it his own species all
the way down from an intelligence perspective to an.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Ad compared to whatever this is that's flying around out there.
I was like, oh, man, that's pretty eye opening. I
don't know if other people would take it that way.
He could have just been using an example. But if
that's what the distance is between our intelligence intelligence but
as a species compared to what we're everybody seeing and
claiming to be seeing out there like us and every
all the other experiencers out there and folks in the military.
(34:32):
I mean, I mean, we got I wouldn't even say,
how could you even consider us a threat if we're
that dumb compared to what the other thing is?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But I think I think it's possible that now I
don't know, I'm just saying it's possible that we're not
that dumb compared to whatever it is. But just say,
if a we gain knowledge, you know, like there's not
the wheel had to come before the car, you know,
(35:05):
that type of thing. So if some if some civilization,
you know, if you look at us as the species
and you go back to eighteenth century second grade math quiz,
you know a lot of us couldn't do that, you know,
I mean so, and then you know, back to the
Egyptians doing brain surgery and stuff like that. We always
(35:27):
we always consider that because it's in the past, that
they're less knowledge. No, they're brilliant people, brilliant, but it's
all the learning steps as it goes along. So perhaps
the species that are getting here aren't that much more intelligent,
probably aren't, possibly not, but they learned things you know.
(35:49):
I mean, just look what's going to happen to our
species in the next few years. With artificial intelligence, We're
going to be able to solve things we never thought
were possible. Like it's like a jump of one hundred years,
or you would think, and you know, what will the
next hundred years be if we make it? If we
make it, that is but a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
One other thing I learned too in the film that
I didn't mention was the I think Jay Stratton mentioned it.
I didn't realize that the FAA doesn't use radar to
identify airplanes or whatever he said. They in other words,
all the airplanes used their their squawking or whatever. Yeah,
they're transponders. So if you're that's how they all the
(36:35):
commercial aircraft have to report, have to turn on their
transponders in order to be tracked by the FAA. The
FAA isn't using active radar. I didn't know that was
the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I had no idea. So here's a funny quote
from Duckhead. Thank you. Ants are not making nukes. They're
not making nukes. Yeah, that's really kind of a true point,
very true. Yeah, a lot of people have speculated that's
one of the reasons they have shown up is because
(37:05):
of our messing with the mattress, as the kids found
the mattress at as. Stanton Freeman, who I just mentioned, said,
here's something from Mary Grace. Kirby loved the comment by
hal put Off that they may be giving us an
IQ test by leaving gifts. Yes, you know, I didn't.
(37:27):
I didn't so much by that. Now here's one thing
I was very surprised how Putoff didn't say when he
was talking about the gifts and things like that, because
as you know, he talked about well maybe you know,
people crashing a car, you know, maybe that's why they crashed.
But one of the things that he didn't say, and
I was kind of surprised at, is that there's been
(37:49):
a number of people speculating that they were shot down
by us, right, and he didn't bring that up at all.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And Jonathan why getting Away on the show, who I
strongly believe his story. You know, he thinks the thing
was I can't remember the missile, type of missile he
thought it was hit by. But I do believe that,
you know, some of them are getting shot down, and
when they don't have a transponder and they're in space
where they shouldn't be. I could definitely see that happening.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yep, for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, Well, I think I don't really know, you know,
much more that we can really talk about. I just
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Though, Mike Flatterty, if you don't mind me interrupting.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you've got anything else we'll definitely talk about.
So Mike was someone I had never really heard talk before,
and I thought he had interesting things. But I didn't
write down anything that he said. So do you have something?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I thought he was interesting just because I had
never heard of him before and I didn't know maybe
you've had him on the pod.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I wanted to ask One.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Thing that he said that was interesting that I drew
from in my own experience with the phenomenon is after
I had well, basically, Mike goes on to say in
the film, you know, as an intelligence officer, when I
had my first encounter, then I started seeing a whole
bunch of other phenomena. I didn't know if he specified
in the sky or in the ocean or in his home,
(39:16):
but I know when I had my first sighting back
in twenty twenty two that it kind of kicked it
all off for me. It came maybe a year or
two after. It was a little delayed, but I've started
seeing a whole bunch of things, even things inside my
house that I can't really explain, and even physicians that
I've talked to just to make sure my vision was okay,
which I have excellent vision twenty twenty, don't need glasses yet,
(39:39):
And they had no explanation for what I was just
describing seeing in my home in terms of the lights
and things like that. So and the things in the
sky that I've seen since my first sighting. But I
thought that was interesting because speaking from my own experience,
I have experienced something similar. I'll be it probably on
a lesser scale than an intelligence officer, considering how close
(40:01):
he probably was to the topic with his own daily work.
But just as a regular old layman, typical nobody living
in a rural area, I definitely saw things as well,
but just on a lesser scale, I would imagine. But
I don't want to speak out a term, but he
would be a good get if you could get him
on your.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Show, if he wants to. Oh yeah, that'd be pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, we're always trying, always trying for some really interesting guests.
Another quote out of the movie I thought was pretty
interesting is this is basically a collective claim from a
multiple intelligence officials, but basically that there is a race
between US, Russia, and China to reverse engineer non human technology.
(40:44):
And of course you know that there's many reasons for that.
I mean, depending on what type of technology can be
garnered out of reverse engineering. We're talking a lot of power,
possible power in different ways. I mean, if we just
speculate just for one minute here, if all of a
(41:06):
sudden we did figure out a way to get free
energy for all, I mean I think there would almost
be a collapse. First of all, there'd be such friction
against it. People would lose their lives, Maybe wars would
happen because of the fossil fuel. Come, fossil fuel is
just so powerful. I don't know what. It would just
(41:28):
turn the whole world on its head if all of
a sudden we had free energy. I mean, I think
it would be wonderful, but.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think it would be pretty kick ass. What if
we've blossomed into this like awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Species when you know, maybe We're in a pretty shitty
place right now.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But who knows. Maybe it would open up this huge
door to a whole new way of living, but who knows. Yeah,
you can't predict.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Because if you have free energy and it's free to everybody,
I would imagine you'd have no problems at that point, right.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, but it would be it would be such such
a hard thing to initiate, and you know, and change over.
Do you know that the U for instance, this is
just a kind of a lame comparison, but the you know,
the paint roller. You know, you roll wallpaper, you know
(42:21):
with paint rolling. You know, that was suppressed for over
thirty years by the paint brush companies. They didn't out there. Yes,
that was patent and hidden by the brush companies kept
that away from the public. I got one to sell
their brushes. Now. This is my grandfather told me that story.
And my grandfather was a professional painter and all his
(42:43):
life he never used the roller. You know, so maybe
it was maybe he was lying. I don't think so.
I'm going to ask jet chat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
CHPT see what it says.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Then, I mean, you make an excellent point. I mean,
just and that's just a paint roller. Oh can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So like if if you're if we're talking about free energy,
if that's real, assuming it's real, then I would have
to say that would never get out. Ever, it would.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Definitely be suppressed. If it could be suppressed.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
It would be yeah, no, yeah, absolutely. What do you
think about this? Martin?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
To push back a little bit, I know we both
liked on the film, like the film a lot, or
I keep calling it a film, but the documentary the
So what do you make of Like I know Lou
Alizondo has gone on podcasts and he always openly discloses
I still maintain an active security clarence with the United
States government. Yet in as part of his story and
(43:41):
as documented in the documentary of Age of Disclosure, like
he always recaps, I had to quit my job, as
if like he left, he got out. But I've always wondered,
how can like is that an accurate statement? Like, yes,
the statement's true in the sense that he quit and
(44:01):
he had to quit and he no longer has his
day job, but he's still under the employment in terms
of like maintaining that national security. It seems like there's
some strings attached, is what I'm trying to say, like,
do you see any contradictory statements there, or because I
don't know enough about the i C to.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Know how they operate.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Maybe that's a normal thing, and you still maintain your
security clearance, but you are really out but I just
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, I do believe now I'm talking not out of knowledge.
But you know, my brother in law had the highest
security clearance. You know, you worked on nuclear you know, warheads,
but he was what was it called quality control type
of job you had lost lost almost laps, so he, uh,
(44:51):
you know, from what I understand, you can keep your
security clearance. It's something like you know, if you leave
a job, I think you maintain your security clearance. So
aren't security clearances for life? I think they may. They
might be, but I know they have to be reviewed
a lot, you know. And at the time I was
(45:14):
at the time he was getting his clearance, I was
with a Russian woman, had been with her for a while,
and that was a problem. That was something that you know,
he had to disassociate from me or something. This was
a long time ago. I can't remember exactly what happened,
but when he was getting his clearance that was something
(45:35):
that they actually were concerned about, which I think is
kind of bizarre, and you know, at that time, but
still I'm not really sure. You know, there's a lot
of speculation about lou I. From the time that I've
gotten to know him and talk to him, you know,
I feel like he's legitimate. I did ask him one
(45:57):
time on this show. I did say to him something
along the lines where your personality you would make a
really good disinformation agent. A lot of people think that
you are. And he got very angry. He got very
angry at that statement. And when some people sometimes can
(46:21):
just get angry, and some people get angry when there's
something that disturbs them because there's a seed, of course
to it. So I'm not sure, and I don't know.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know he's made some really big bloopers with some
images and things that some of his talks, and he's
the first to say that he did. But you know,
(46:43):
it really made me think about the crop circle situation,
that picture when he showed that. I was actually streaming
that live when he showed that, and right away, you know,
people knew what it was and supposedly he was given
that just before he went up to the stage and
from an anonymous source, and that he should know that
(47:09):
for all the positions he has that if someone is
going to give that to him, watch out, you know,
because it it really did not help him, you know,
his credibility wise, and so you know, so, but he
should know better than to do that. And I said,
right after that happened on the show, I said, if
(47:29):
I was talking to him personally, I would say, what
were you thinking? You know, why would you why would
you do that? But so I know there's a lot
of speculation about Louel Zundo. I think he's a great guy.
He's highly intelligent. I think he has a lot to offer,
and if he really did, I'm a little confused too,
because he said that he kind of lost like everything
(47:54):
after he quit his job type of And but then
when I was talking to him, he was talking about
all the stuff that he collects, you know, civil war
things in jeeps, and you know, we were you know,
so it's kind of like I don't really understand. I
really don't. It's possible I may get to go visit
(48:14):
with him at some point through someone else, So he
doesn't know that yet, so when I say, is possible,
and yeah, I'd like to really get the hands on
and see exactly what that man is about.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, I mean that'll be good, good experience through and through,
I bet so, hopefully putting the good vibes out there,
hopefully it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, yeah, But so I don't know if you have
any more to add any other thing in your notes.
You'd like to talk about.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
One thing it's not specifical, Well, it's related to the video.
But there was another video that was made. Are you familiar?
It's on a different channel, but it's about the UFOs
and psyops and I thought it was an interesting I
guess you could call it like an opinion piece, But
are you familiar with the YouTube channel the why files?
And I think his name is aj.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
You never heard of him, so.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Folks in the chat and for Martin too, definitely check
this video out. But it was he basically has his
own rundown of his opinion on pyops as it relates
to the UFO topic and things that he looks out
for as like a consumer of UFO content.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So I thought it was fine. I watched his video.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I think last week or two weeks ago, but it
kind of reframed the way I think about the information
that I consume as it relates to the UFO topic.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
But anyways, it's a good one.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I forget what the title of video is, but if
you just type in y files and then UFO psyop,
it'll it would come up. But I only say that
to say, Martin, you know, do you buy the story
that obviously you can tell in this documentary it's very
intelligence community focused in terms of their primary sources that
they're drawing from. Rightfully so, but obviously the same community
(50:00):
is paid to lie to the American public to keep
us safe. That's what we that's what their primary focus is. Generally,
I'm over generalizing here, yeah, but basically this documentary we
have a group of IC folks saying that within the IC,
they started their own UFO program not being able to
find the legacy UFO program at the start, and then
(50:21):
when they started researching their UFO program on their own
within the IC, and they got, like, I guess, maybe
too far in their work, and then they eventually came
across the legacy program in the IC community somewhere and
they started hammering down on them and their work that
they were doing on the side as UFOs, kind of
putting them in the we're the good guys of the
(50:44):
IC community. And now I'm only playing Devil's advocate here,
but as a consumer, as a layman, knowing that this
single community is, you know, that's their primary focus is
maybe counterintelligence and lying and all that stuff, just to
keep see, to keep people safe, you know, giving them
the benefit of the doubt, trying to keep people safe,
do the right thing. You know, how can you believe
(51:08):
this random group of folks within the IC is painting
themselves as the good guys saying, you know, we're trying
to bring this out, but the other folks in our
community are aren't letting us or whatever. That's kind of
like the vibe I was getting. But what do you
think about that?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
If I think that's a I think that is a
really really good point, a really really good point. And
you know, when I've talked with John Kerriako former CIA
on on air off air, you know, yeah, it's a
wonderful guy, but you know he's very much saying, oh yeah,
we lie about everything we you know, he doesn't even
(51:43):
say it's supposed to and he says, and we kill people.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's like it's like, you know, but yeah, I mean,
so that's a really good point. You know, I didn't
look at that angle. I didn't think of that angle.
But you're right. These are people that, you know, they
they really know how to lie, and you know, for
the reasons and to make things happen in their favor. Manipulating,
(52:10):
manipulating everything to get to a certain you know, outcome.
That's kind of what they're trained to do. That is
their training, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
So densitizing the masses to certain information to portray a
specific you know, message or frame a specific narrative if
you will. But it's interesting, fascinating work. I mean, you
master communicators at the least any of those guys.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah. Yeah, So unless anyone wants to pop in her
question really quick and to chat, I think we're going
to call it a night. And we're close to an hour,
and thank you, it's been been a lot of fun.
I think Mary Grace is nineteen ninety nine or by
it like I did. I pre ordered it for twenty
four dollars so I can watch it. And this I
(53:03):
rarely watch a movie more than once that's just the
nature of what I do, but this is one that
I would definitely consider watching again. I thought it was
really really good, so thank you all for being here
and joining us tonight
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willsher host,
and I'm here with my friend Jack. Jack. Thank you
for helping me out here. Jack actually helps me out
on YouTube. It's been helping out for several months and
has made a lot of really good clips that you
see up there, and has done a lot of great work.
So I always appreciate that, Jack, And so we are
(00:36):
here today to talk to you about the I think
it's a great film. I watched it. I just finished
watching it and the Age of Disclosure. But I think
before we get started, let's just say, first of all,
what'd you think of the movie? I mean, I thought
it was really great. What your feelings about it?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Yeah, I thought it was awesome. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
I thought it was really good for the community to
get that out there. I mean, we've all been waiting
for it for like what since March when it aired
over in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
So like right south by Southwest, And it's funny, I'm
showing the picture here on YouTube. Now. These are all
the people that were there at that event. And my
friend who lives down wearing him now down in South Carolina.
He traveled there and he sat through that and you know,
watched it, and it's funny when people aren't into the
(01:28):
UFO topics. Says, yeah, that was good, but it was
me not into the UFO topic. If I watch that,
I go, oh my god, there's really something to this,
you know. I mean, I just think it's funny how
different people react. But anyway, I'm going to start out
what's up. I did get permission from the publicists, so
I'm going to play the trailer to it right here.
Here it goes.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
The American people are ready to receive the truth.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
K Mandy is not the only intelligen in the universe.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Humanity is not the only intelligence species.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
We are absolutely not alone. Non human intelligence exists.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
The UAPs are real, they're here, and they're not human.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I spent twenty five years as a senior official with
the CII I worked on a highly classified UAP program.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Of twenty eight years as an astrophysicist.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
I served as the fourth Director of Nation Intelligence.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Director of Aviation Security in the National Security Council.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
The one star admiral after thirty two years of service.
Speaker 6 (02:27):
Able le come forward with this, I feel like they've
taken their life in their own hands.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
I was recruited into a highly sensitive government program that
investigated unidentified aerial phenomenon.
Speaker 6 (02:40):
For over sixteen years on behalf of the US government,
I worked as a senior intelligence official on the Unidentified
aero phenomenon topic.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
We learned that the US government was involved in a
long running secret war with other nations to collect and
verse engineer vehicles not made by humans.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
I have seen my own eyes non human craft and
non human beings. The first country that cracks the code
on this technology will be the leader for years to come.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
China has established its own version of the UAP Task Force.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
Do you think for a second that they wouldn't consider
using it to achieve their ends of domination.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
This is similar to the Manhattan Project. This is the
atomic weapon on steroids.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
This is so secret, very very few people in our
entire government that can allow access to it.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Even presidents have been operating on a need to know basis.
But that begins to ramp out of control.
Speaker 7 (03:39):
It's not acceptable to have secret parts of government that
no one ever sees.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
You'd better be careful about a government doesn't trust in stable,
because there's no telling what they'll pull on you. This
is the biggest discovery in younistry.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
You had information being locked away that could change the
trajectory for species.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Has so many beneficial impacts, including clean energy.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
We should have disclosure today, We should have disclosure tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
The time has come.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
What else you want to know?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
So, yeah, that's a that's a great trailer. But I
have to say, you know, it's pretty funny. Today I
get several texts and emails from people saying, hey, well,
I saw you in the movie. But I'm not a
participant in the movie. I have to because they are
very clear. I just happen to be at you know,
(04:58):
both DC hearings, and so that's that's how I show up.
It's really funny. I just took a picture I'm looking
for here awesome. Yeah, you can see me phone in
the back. I held that phone up the entire hearing.
But when that the first hearing. And also there's another
(05:18):
scene of me talking in a hallway, which is pretty funny.
But that's the only cut I made on this movie.
But yeah, it was that was anyway, that's you know,
just a small part of the movie. I think there's
you know a lot of times people say to me, well,
do you get anything new out of it. That's what
everyone wants to know, anything new, And I got to
(05:40):
say this time, I'm going to say, yes, I did
get a lot of new things out of it. I
don't know if that's something you want to address first
before me, or would you like me just to throw
in you know what, I what I got.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I think I'm looking at my notes here as I'm
looking down Martin.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
I think for me, he.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Well, one thing that I thought that was interesting was
what Lu said, how he seemed pretty confident. And I
don't know if I don't remember him saying this on
other podcasts when he was doing his podcast run and
I even saw him in Boston when he did his
presentation at Yeah Yeah the Winery and they talk about
the physics of it and the bubbles, and they talk
(06:23):
about the bubbles and the documentary again too, But he
was saying how he was like pretty much confident, like
he knew the way he talked about it, that NHI
is doing what he calls active ISR intelligence, surveillance and
reconnaissance on us as a species. But it was like
said so direct. I don't remember him being so forefront,
(06:45):
almost as if he researched that found the evidence for it,
and now he's telling us like, yeah, they're watching us
and they're collecting data on us as a species. That's
the way it was presented to me in the film
that I thought was interesting. But yeah, I'd love to
know what you think and some of the things that
you saw that you learned in that film too. I mean,
you've been out for fourteen years now, I've only been
(07:06):
doing this for three to four years, so it'd begin take.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, well, it's always great to hear you know your
take as well on it. So first of all, I
want to say hi to everyone that's joined us tonight
in chat. We have Mary Grace Kirby, a long, long,
long time listener of the show, I think well over
ten years. We also have Jay, thank you for being here,
John Hawks, a stargazer duckhead who's in here quite a
(07:33):
bit Alien girls, she's kind of the last few weeks
I've been joining in. Thank you for joining us, Fellman twelve,
Thank you again. Everyone here, Ghosts I like that ghost
writer and so thank you Danger Sep and let's see
anyone else. Oh look, Mendnopolis is here. Hi, bendy Us
(07:56):
and Whistle Mike. Thank you all for being here, and yes,
for those of you who have not seen the movie,
I will tell you that it's a very good production.
I had a conversation with another filmmaker, be unnamed, and
he said that all the beautiful houses that they were
(08:17):
in the you know, beautiful furniture and antiques and gorgeous
ceilings and very decorative, they're all green screened. I don't
know if you know. He says he has an insight
on it. They're all green screen I never thought I
would never guess that, never guess that. But that doesn't matter. Still,
it's still edited, beautifully put together, belise. And one of
(08:39):
the things that about when you're just talking about Lou,
one of the things he said that really caught my
ear was that Lou has said on this show and
I tried to push him on it, and he finally
gave more information, and that's he said. He pondered, put
the question out there, like what if there's some type
(08:59):
of intelligence that's always been here and we're not the
top of the food chain as far as intelligence goes.
And so he elaborated on that more like a breakoff
species that you know, he went into that a bit
and it just made it more intriguing. I really want
to know more about you know, you know, because one
of the things he always says, you know, the caveat
(09:22):
is that he can't you know, disclose, uh, you know,
classify information, which I totally get. Some people get pretty
angry at him for not, you know, spilling it all,
but he doesn't. Who wants to you know, lose everything
and end up in the slammer, you know. So yeah,
a couple of things. One of the things I thought was,
(09:44):
we're going to try to do no real spoilers here,
but just on the base of what the movie the summary,
I do want to get quote because and I wrote
this down just just one second, because this quote, to
me is one of the most profound ones in the movie.
(10:04):
Jay Stratton, who was actually Lou Alessandro's superior, and so
Jay Stratton basically says, I have seen with my own
eyes non human craft and non human beings. You know,
that's to me, if you know, I mean, that's the
(10:25):
first a business and with his position, I mean, how
could you go against that? I mean I just think
that is incredible and I think one of the takeaways
and we could talk about it a little bit as
we get into this some more. But how strong the
Legacy pro program is, And that's something that I have
(10:48):
always talked about on this show, like, okay, so let's
just say Roswell happened. Roswell happened, and there's some information
and there's hardware from Roswell. Well it goes somewhere, well generational,
how does this get passed down? And that is you know,
what would be considered a legacy situation. So they explained
(11:10):
all that very well, and the blocks were coming from
the people involved in the Legacy program. How this information
has passed down and perhaps and private contracting, private hands,
things like that.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Right, So with the CIA at the Helm, when they
put that graph up, I thought that was really nice
to see.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
Oh yeah, so yeah, I mean, just I'll put up
your quotes. Unfortunately, I don't have any way to take
a phone call for a while here. So this is
I believe, it's an opinion. Here we are here and
have been here walking amongst humans. Oh okay, that's pretty funny. Okay,
I get that. That's good. That's good. But anyway, so
(11:55):
I welcome all your questions in chat. And I'm not
sure who has actually seen you know the movie or not,
you know, just premiere today. At one point, a wonderful
gentleman friend Keith, had asked me, h, doctor Keith, I'm
just trying to think this last name. He's been on
(12:16):
my show, just spacing on his last name, Uh Keith,
and what uh is it?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Taylor?
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yes, thank you, Heith Taylor, doctor Keith Taylor. So he
invited Donna and I up to the premiere. He bought
tickets for us everything. So I was I had planned,
like we both had planned, well, let's just do it,
you know, figure out a way to do it. But
then with all the TSA and the cancelations of flights
(12:46):
and things like that, we just both got nervous and
decided that we were not going to make it there.
So anyway, and that's going on right now as we speak.
This is the premiere is happening in New York right now. Yeah.
So but anyway, I got the notice first thing this morning.
I think I got the notice in the middle of
the night when I woke up and I looked, oh, yeah,
(13:08):
your movie is available now because I pre ordered it.
You know, when I found out I wasn't going to
New York, I pre ordered it. But you know what's
the good thing out Earlier we talked about self by
Southwest and when my friend was out there, you know,
he was at the at this and you know, he
said there was great questions from the audience, you know,
(13:30):
I mean, I think he was almost as impressed about
that as a as he was watching the movie. And
I don't know, what are your thoughts, Jack, you watched
the movie. If you were like someone who never paid
any attention at all to the UFO topic, and you
had to be on a plane or something and you
watch that, don't you think you'd be a little curious,
(13:53):
Like I mean, I I feel like he was in it,
but I feel as though that was a very convincing movie.
Speaker 3 (14:02):
I yeah, And it's I'm in the same boat as you,
Martin in terms of like being in it. Once I
had my own sighting, like I know, like I know,
what I saw was not like anything that we use
on a daily day basis. That was flying around in
my town here, and like I I in a world
where you can find everything online and research whatever and
(14:26):
you'll eventually find what it is that you're looking for.
This one glowing orb that I saw, I I to
this day can't find anything online about what I saw
that night, which is so weird in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
I feel like that shouldn't be happening.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
So I feel it's kind of hard for me to
step out of that box and pretend like I never
had that sighting. And I've done all this research, and
let's say I just like Star Wars or something and
lived a mundane life and never saw UFO.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What would I think if I saw this film.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
I feel like I feel like you have to pay
attention after watching something like this. I just hope it
gardners the public's attention and gets enough airplay that enough
people know that it's even out. Like I'm too close
to the topic. Like I watched this film right away.
I was so pumped. But I don't think everybody else
views it that way. I think it'll take a while
to percolate. I don't know if it'll be something that's overnight.
(15:16):
I think there was some CNN news anchor that said
it was up for strong recommendation for an award for
a documentary.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I don't know what award that was, but yeah, something.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Yeah, it's a class it's a class model of a
production there. I mean, everything about it is just so
well done, put together, you know, music, you name it.
Everything is right there. I'm putting this post up because
I have not heard of this. Schmael Nuk is wondering,
has anyone have any info on the alleged eighty foot
(15:49):
tic tac that the Russians obtained. This is something I
haven't heard of. If anyone is watching live right now
in chat, please do post what you know about that,
or a link or anything. I have not heard anything
about it, so I'll go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
I was going to say, and I was just agreet.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
Yeah, okay, so Mendanopolis just I know this isn't a question,
but I'm still putting it up here. As argued by
Vladimir Putins, such high tech weapons systems neuroweapons will be
compare comparable in effect to nuclear weapons, but will be
more acceptable in terms of political military ideology. And she
(16:28):
goes on to write that quote makes me think about
what Jay said when Jay Stratton said that this is
you know, the nuclear I think you said the Manhattan
Project on steroids or something like that.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
Yeah, something like that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, I mean, so there were thirty
four people in that being interviewed thirty four people. That
is huge.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
It's about not just like the top names in the
US phone world, right, everybody talks about and knows about
how put off Jay Stratton, lou Arizonda, Chris Mellan, they're
all in there, right.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
And Eric Davis. So someone had and Eric Davis said
a lot of profound things, and you know, I don't
know what, you know, the average person thinks of Eric Davis.
He did hold you know, really high positions. He's kind
of an unusual fellow. But but I don't think he's
(17:31):
just you know, blowing smoke. It sounds to me that,
you know, there's really that he knows a lot, because
it kind of fit in with what other people saying.
A lot of things that Mark Marco Rubio said was
very very interesting. I thought, uh, you know, and he
(17:51):
basically says, you know, his his quote, you know, is
basically the American people deserve to know the truth. And
I think another thing that really showed in this Jack
was that you never really see bipartisan cooperation on any
other topic that it can possibly think of, then in
(18:15):
this topic, I mean, there are two people on the
other side of the eye of each other, that can't
stand each other, or they maybe that's a show. I mean,
there's such division, but they're they're on the same page
with this, and you know, it's too bad we can't
do more like that in this country. But still I
(18:36):
think it's because of that alone, you know. I mean,
if a vote was put to the people, to the
American people, all the American people, we want to know
exactly what's going on, every single part of what is
going on, and that vote came through and it had
to be disclosed somehow. Of course, I'm just talking as
(18:57):
a layman here, but if there's something that could be
that could be pushed through that really addressed everything that
you know, and then there was no way to back
out of it, you know, I'm just wondering what it
would take to really get all the information.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
It would be probably a super large, coordinated effort, I
would imagine, so at the highest levels for something that's
been that top secret for that long and is buried
between multiple different organizations, both public and private. I mean,
just trying to get some kind of information about it.
I don't it's it's interesting.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
I don't think anybody knows enough about it to know
what that would even look like. And if they claimed
to have known, then I wouldn't I wouldn't believe that person.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I think it's been so secret for so long very
and is.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
It Senator Rounds. He had a lot of really good
things to say, so there was the humor. Rounds. Do
I want to say, Bill? Is that what it was?
That was really interesting and one of possibly one of
the mistakes they made. And this isn't my idea. This
(20:13):
is I think I heard Ross coltheart say say it,
and I agree with him on that, and that is
in that was a eminent domain clause. And I think,
you know, if corporations really do have this, and they've
figured out a way to make money on whatever they
back engineered, or the possibility of making a huge amount
(20:36):
of money in the future of what they are trying
to back engineer, they are going to protect that type
of hardware to the end, you know, whatever it is.
I don't think any eminent domain could actually access it
of any type because they would bury it if they
(20:56):
thought that was it. And of course that bill never
saw the light of day because I think there's just
too many powerful people, you know, stopping that type of situation.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Yep, And I feel like, I mean, it gets darker
than that in terms of I remember Ross Colhart reporting
on it, where like it's blue on blue attacks, meaning
like people of the same military are engaging in violent
conflict with each other just to keep the secret secret,
(21:31):
and that's never a good sign, I feel like. But
I'm just speaking as a layman, But yeah, I mean,
the music was great for this documentary and the production
value was top notch. I don't know, Martin, do you
think it would be a good idea if I quoted
something that Lou Alezando's said at the.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
End of the film.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
I don't think it was released on any of the trailers,
so it might be a spoiler for anybody in the chat,
So cover your ears if you don't want to hear it.
But I thought it was an interesting quote. So lu goes,
I'm just reading from my notes here, so I'm going
to be looking off to the side. I felt tremendous
pressure to share what I can because I know there
will be a time when we all wished we have
(22:12):
done things differently. And then he goes that moment is imminent,
and of course in the film, there's a dramatic pause.
I'm sure there's music playing too, Yes, the name of
his book as well. When that moment comes, I know
people will say, I wish someone would have told me sooner.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
I would love to know what he means by like,
you know what's coming that's so imminent?
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Like what, what's the deal? Why is this all happening?
Speaker 3 (22:42):
I mean, they've been at this what since twenty seventeen,
This giant ball has been rolling, and it took them
what five years just to get this documentary out that
maybe not everybody's going to watch.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
So it's been like a slow well in UFO world.
I feel like it's been increasing out of much faster rate.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
But even at this rate in terms of all the
happenings that have been going on in the UFO world
in the past five years, since the first hearings back
in twenty twenty three and twenty seventeen, if you want
to go back to the New York Times article, but
even if you zoom out further, it's really been a
slow bleed, a slow drip of information here and there.
But there has to be a reason why they've sped
(23:20):
up in the past five to six years, wouldn't you agree,
Martin culminating up to this documentary.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
You would think, so, I mean, it does feel that way.
And I also want to invite anyone that's participating, thank
you all for being here. If you'd like to type
in chat, if you did watch the movie, and you know,
feel free to put your thoughts or a one liner
in there, and if you'd like to so one of
the things you know I said earlier, Okay, you can
(23:45):
close your ears in this one too, if you don't
want to hear this. But one of the things that
really stood out to me is when lou Elizondo once
again was saying that there was a committee of twenty
seven people that were individuals that were mulling over the
idea of using extreme measures to quiet both himself and
David Grush. Yeah, and and then he went on to say,
(24:11):
I do believe he said he meant that to silence them,
kill them, you know, I mean, maybe that's a little extreme,
but I don't know. I mean I would think that
would be.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yes.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
And so Mary Grace put this in just just as
I was saying it. I think, you know there is
a delay here, So as I was saying, before I
even said this, she was typing this in there. Yes,
that's yeah, that was that was quite a statement during
the movie. So yeah, I mean I like the fact
(24:49):
that a lot of it took place in Washington, d C.
You know, I mean that was symbolic in a type
of way. And and so someone did say to me
as a joke, well, I know that. I notice now
I'm going to probably open up a can of worms
here because there are people that have.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
Thoughts who cares.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
I noticed Bob Lazaar wasn't in the movie, but we'll
just leave it at that.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
He wasn't. Neither was Stephen Greer.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Good point. However, they did talk about something that Stephen
Greer constantly talks about, and that's zero point energy, you know.
They did, they did talk about that possibility. And and yes,
I also thought it was really incredible of the theories
and thoughts, you know, because we have no proof, but
(25:45):
of how these things may travel. To me, that was
very very interesting, fascinating because in a way, you know,
it kind of makes sense because you know, as David
Fraber put it, you know, some thing is traveling at
you know, I think you said eighty thousand feet and drops,
(26:05):
you know, so many thousand feet, then if it was
a person, they would turn into pudding. And so they
have a different theory and how this can happen within
a bubble type of thing. And I do believe that
Robert Schroeder, who's been on this show a number of
times over the years, has had a theory similar to
(26:26):
that that he's talked about. So, you know, it's all speculation.
We really don't know.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
But no one knows.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Yeah, well, I will say when I saw Lou Alizondo
give his presentation in Boston about UFOs and he talked about,
you know, the bubbles and trying to explain their propulsion systems,
and then it was brought up again in the documentary.
With my I can only relate to my own sighting
and what I saw that night back in twenty twenty
(26:54):
two was when the orb shut its light off when
it was darkarker than the night sky behind it. I
thought I was seeing spots in my vision, but I
saw a dark center mass. But around that dark center mass,
I could see almost like this squiggly line in the
night sky around the dark center mass. And to me
it could be now that I've heard lose presentation in
(27:17):
this documentary. You know that maybe I saw that quote
unquote bubble that that or may have been operating in
when it was floating across town that night. I have
no idea, but there was definitely, you know, a circle
within a circle that I saw across the night sky.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
So I think I don't think.
Speaker 3 (27:35):
That's a coincidence that they're talking about bubbles compared to
what I saw floating the sky that night.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Now, what I saw, I didn't And I do believe
someone was asking how much it costs to rent on Prime.
I do believe I paid twenty four or twenty four
ninety five something like that for me. You know, it's
it's kind of a lot of money. But I definitely
thought it was worth seeing. I really really, I am
very glad that I watched it. So my own UFO
(28:04):
sighting had a light blue glow around it. But it
seems to me that, you know, what they showed is
a flir video, and they said, well, the possible you know,
fuzziness around it could be what they're talking about. However,
I don't think when people are seeing this visually that
they see that. I know, I didn't I had a
blue glow around mine, but I didn't see like a
(28:26):
distortion of what could be some type of bubble. Like
it does show up and flur and maybe that's the
only way it can be detected, if that's what it is.
Sight Oh okay, so thank you Mary Gray. She sent
me straight here. It is twenty four ninety nine to buy,
(28:47):
so I had to do that. I had to pre
order it. I pre ordered it, you know, a week
or so ago. But you can rent it for nineteen
ninety nine. So but anyway, you know, the price always
goes down. But I'm going to say that if you
rent it, it's worth it and you're gonna be happy
that you did. And Dan Ferrara, who put this movie together.
I've been in touch with the publicity company and Donna
(29:10):
has all the way back in since January and been
working quite close with them and to get Dan on
the show. And then I guess he got so busy
that he couldn't make it. He was supposed to be
on before this, before the premiere, but it just didn't
work out. So hopefully i'll have him on you know after,
(29:30):
you know, he's on you know things that of course
he's gonna be on things like Joe Rogan like he
was and uh, you know, I think he was on
with the Chris Como and and others, and of course
he was on with Bill Maher uh and so you know,
he's gotten a lot of exposure. So I'm just a
(29:52):
little lovely podcaster here. Uh. You know, maybe he'll be
on eventually. And but you know, when he gets that
type of publicity out there and doing those socks, it
makes a huge difference. I totally understand it.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I feel like he'll be busy for a little while too,
But I wouldn't be surprised if you'll get him for sure.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
Yeah, I'll try. I do what I always do and
just sell you know how long I was the first
one to you know, interview this person and that person,
like Chris Millan and stuff like that. So you know
its it basically. I like the way they talk about,
you know, the eighty year global cover up. I think
that's important. And there are people like James Clapper and
(30:39):
Brennan and all these high up you know, former intelligence
people that I mean, they don't get much higher than that.
They were actually you know, chiming in on what they
thought this was you know, what was going on in general.
So yeah, I mean I think, you know, there's been
(31:03):
a lot of buzz about this, and I know there
was a stumbling block somewhere along the line for them
getting this movie out there. And I only know it
because I know some people in the film business, and
it was pitched something that dropped through, and so that's
why it took so long to come out, because you know,
(31:23):
things were you know, it didn't look good for a while.
But now it's you know, it's not in theater release
as far as I know, maybe it will be. You know,
at this point, you know, things changed when COVID came along.
You know, people like Randall Nickerson with the Ariel phenomenon
beautiful film. His was all set to go in the
(31:44):
theaters and COVID came along, and then James you know,
with the phenomenon, James Fox, and so everyone's adjusted to
the way these things work and there's more of an
online experience now than ever, and you know, and I
think that's, uh, that's just what we're going to have
(32:07):
to be doing. I don't know about things like this
going into the theater. So I do want to say
if anyone has any questions or any comments on the
movie itself, please do put in there. And if you
happen to have a question, just put in all caps. Again.
I'm sorry. We don't have any way to talk to
on the phone right now, we are working. I have
(32:28):
looked into phone systems because there are some people that
I sometimes.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Know what's that they want to call in?
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Yeah, the people want to call in. But also there's
you know, for instance, Stanley Gordon and Pennsylvania. I love
having him on the show, but he's only ever been
on the phone, and so is Stanton Friedman. Stanton Freedman
would only do the phone in the old school. So yeah,
But anyway, anyone have any questions or anything, and you know,
(32:58):
we can run the trailer one more time. I try
to find a bunch of images online and there's really
not much because a lot of whenever they create a
movie like this, they have stills that they put out there,
and I'm just not seeing, you know, too much of
that out there and just looking to see what I yeah,
see that's blurry. I mean, I it was just really not.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Did you what did you think of how put Off
in the film when he made the ant analogy explanation.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
I thought that was hilarious, very subtly, I don't think.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
I don't know if it was intended to be portrayed
that way, but the compare. He I didn't know if
he was saying humans were ants in this equation, but
he was just using ants as an example in terms
of trying to identify if this was actually a threat
or not. He was saying, like, oh, sometimes when you
have ants in the backyard, like you know they're there,
(33:51):
but you leave them alone and you guys kind of coexist.
But once they come in your house and you have
an infestation and becomes a problem, and then you exterminate them.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
I was like, he didn't word it that way, but
I was like, oh.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Man, like it's really belitting it his own species all
the way down from an intelligence perspective to an.
Speaker 7 (34:10):
Ad compared to whatever this is that's flying around out there.
I was like, oh, man, that's pretty eye opening. I
don't know if other people would take it that way.
He could have just been using an example. But if
that's what the distance is between our intelligence intelligence but
as a species compared to what we're everybody seeing and
claiming to be seeing out there like us and every
all the other experiencers out there and folks in the military.
(34:32):
I mean, I mean, we got I wouldn't even say,
how could you even consider us a threat if we're
that dumb compared to what the other thing is?
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
But I think I think it's possible that now I
don't know, I'm just saying it's possible that we're not
that dumb compared to whatever it is. But just say,
if a we gain knowledge, you know, like there's not
the wheel had to come before the car, you know,
(35:05):
that type of thing. So if some if some civilization,
you know, if you look at us as the species
and you go back to eighteenth century second grade math quiz,
you know a lot of us couldn't do that, you know,
I mean so, and then you know, back to the
Egyptians doing brain surgery and stuff like that. We always
(35:27):
we always consider that because it's in the past, that
they're less knowledge. No, they're brilliant people, brilliant, but it's
all the learning steps as it goes along. So perhaps
the species that are getting here aren't that much more intelligent,
probably aren't, possibly not, but they learned things you know.
(35:49):
I mean, just look what's going to happen to our
species in the next few years. With artificial intelligence, We're
going to be able to solve things we never thought
were possible. Like it's like a jump of one hundred years,
or you would think, and you know, what will the
next hundred years be if we make it? If we
make it, that is but a yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
You know what.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
One other thing I learned too in the film that
I didn't mention was the I think Jay Stratton mentioned it.
I didn't realize that the FAA doesn't use radar to
identify airplanes or whatever he said. They in other words,
all the airplanes used their their squawking or whatever. Yeah,
they're transponders. So if you're that's how they all the
(36:35):
commercial aircraft have to report, have to turn on their
transponders in order to be tracked by the FAA. The
FAA isn't using active radar. I didn't know that was
the thing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Yeah, I had no idea. So here's a funny quote
from Duckhead. Thank you. Ants are not making nukes. They're
not making nukes. Yeah, that's really kind of a true point,
very true. Yeah, a lot of people have speculated that's
one of the reasons they have shown up is because
(37:05):
of our messing with the mattress, as the kids found
the mattress at as. Stanton Freeman, who I just mentioned, said,
here's something from Mary Grace. Kirby loved the comment by
hal put Off that they may be giving us an
IQ test by leaving gifts. Yes, you know, I didn't.
(37:27):
I didn't so much by that. Now here's one thing
I was very surprised how Putoff didn't say when he
was talking about the gifts and things like that, because
as you know, he talked about well maybe you know,
people crashing a car, you know, maybe that's why they crashed.
But one of the things that he didn't say, and
I was kind of surprised at, is that there's been
(37:49):
a number of people speculating that they were shot down
by us, right, and he didn't bring that up at all.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
And that's a good point.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
And Jonathan why getting Away on the show, who I
strongly believe his story. You know, he thinks the thing
was I can't remember the missile, type of missile he
thought it was hit by. But I do believe that,
you know, some of them are getting shot down, and
when they don't have a transponder and they're in space
where they shouldn't be. I could definitely see that happening.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Yep, for sure.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Yeah, Well, I think I don't really know, you know,
much more that we can really talk about. I just
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Though, Mike Flatterty, if you don't mind me interrupting.
Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh, yeah, yeah, you've got anything else we'll definitely talk about.
So Mike was someone I had never really heard talk before,
and I thought he had interesting things. But I didn't
write down anything that he said. So do you have something?
Speaker 3 (38:46):
Yeah, I thought he was interesting just because I had
never heard of him before and I didn't know maybe
you've had him on the pod.
Speaker 2 (38:51):
I wanted to ask One.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Thing that he said that was interesting that I drew
from in my own experience with the phenomenon is after
I had well, basically, Mike goes on to say in
the film, you know, as an intelligence officer, when I
had my first encounter, then I started seeing a whole
bunch of other phenomena. I didn't know if he specified
in the sky or in the ocean or in his home,
(39:16):
but I know when I had my first sighting back
in twenty twenty two that it kind of kicked it
all off for me. It came maybe a year or
two after. It was a little delayed, but I've started
seeing a whole bunch of things, even things inside my
house that I can't really explain, and even physicians that
I've talked to just to make sure my vision was okay,
which I have excellent vision twenty twenty, don't need glasses yet,
(39:39):
And they had no explanation for what I was just
describing seeing in my home in terms of the lights
and things like that. So and the things in the
sky that I've seen since my first sighting. But I
thought that was interesting because speaking from my own experience,
I have experienced something similar. I'll be it probably on
a lesser scale than an intelligence officer, considering how close
(40:01):
he probably was to the topic with his own daily work.
But just as a regular old layman, typical nobody living
in a rural area, I definitely saw things as well,
but just on a lesser scale, I would imagine. But
I don't want to speak out a term, but he
would be a good get if you could get him
on your.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Show, if he wants to. Oh yeah, that'd be pretty sweet.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Yeah, we're always trying, always trying for some really interesting guests.
Another quote out of the movie I thought was pretty
interesting is this is basically a collective claim from a
multiple intelligence officials, but basically that there is a race
between US, Russia, and China to reverse engineer non human technology.
(40:44):
And of course you know that there's many reasons for that.
I mean, depending on what type of technology can be
garnered out of reverse engineering. We're talking a lot of power,
possible power in different ways. I mean, if we just
speculate just for one minute here, if all of a
(41:06):
sudden we did figure out a way to get free
energy for all, I mean I think there would almost
be a collapse. First of all, there'd be such friction
against it. People would lose their lives, Maybe wars would
happen because of the fossil fuel. Come, fossil fuel is
just so powerful. I don't know what. It would just
(41:28):
turn the whole world on its head if all of
a sudden we had free energy. I mean, I think
it would be wonderful, but.
Speaker 2 (41:36):
I think it would be pretty kick ass. What if
we've blossomed into this like awesome.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Species when you know, maybe We're in a pretty shitty
place right now.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
But who knows. Maybe it would open up this huge
door to a whole new way of living, but who knows. Yeah,
you can't predict.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Because if you have free energy and it's free to everybody,
I would imagine you'd have no problems at that point, right.
Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yeah, but it would be it would be such such
a hard thing to initiate, and you know, and change over.
Do you know that the U for instance, this is
just a kind of a lame comparison, but the you know,
the paint roller. You know, you roll wallpaper, you know
(42:21):
with paint rolling. You know, that was suppressed for over
thirty years by the paint brush companies. They didn't out there. Yes,
that was patent and hidden by the brush companies kept
that away from the public. I got one to sell
their brushes. Now. This is my grandfather told me that story.
And my grandfather was a professional painter and all his
(42:43):
life he never used the roller. You know, so maybe
it was maybe he was lying. I don't think so.
I'm going to ask jet chat.
Speaker 2 (42:50):
CHPT see what it says.
Speaker 7 (42:55):
That's true.
Speaker 3 (42:55):
Then, I mean, you make an excellent point. I mean,
just and that's just a paint roller. Oh can you imagine?
Speaker 2 (43:01):
So like if if you're if we're talking about free energy,
if that's real, assuming it's real, then I would have
to say that would never get out. Ever, it would.
Speaker 1 (43:11):
Definitely be suppressed. If it could be suppressed.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
It would be yeah, no, yeah, absolutely. What do you
think about this? Martin?
Speaker 3 (43:18):
To push back a little bit, I know we both
liked on the film, like the film a lot, or
I keep calling it a film, but the documentary the
So what do you make of Like I know Lou
Alizondo has gone on podcasts and he always openly discloses
I still maintain an active security clarence with the United
States government. Yet in as part of his story and
(43:41):
as documented in the documentary of Age of Disclosure, like
he always recaps, I had to quit my job, as
if like he left, he got out. But I've always wondered,
how can like is that an accurate statement? Like, yes,
the statement's true in the sense that he quit and
(44:01):
he had to quit and he no longer has his
day job, but he's still under the employment in terms
of like maintaining that national security. It seems like there's
some strings attached, is what I'm trying to say, like,
do you see any contradictory statements there, or because I
don't know enough about the i C to.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Know how they operate.
Speaker 3 (44:21):
Maybe that's a normal thing, and you still maintain your
security clearance, but you are really out but I just
wouldn't know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
Well, I do believe now I'm talking not out of knowledge.
But you know, my brother in law had the highest
security clearance. You know, you worked on nuclear you know, warheads,
but he was what was it called quality control type
of job you had lost lost almost laps, so he, uh,
(44:51):
you know, from what I understand, you can keep your
security clearance. It's something like you know, if you leave
a job, I think you maintain your security clearance. So
aren't security clearances for life? I think they may. They
might be, but I know they have to be reviewed
a lot, you know. And at the time I was
(45:14):
at the time he was getting his clearance, I was
with a Russian woman, had been with her for a while,
and that was a problem. That was something that you know,
he had to disassociate from me or something. This was
a long time ago. I can't remember exactly what happened,
but when he was getting his clearance that was something
(45:35):
that they actually were concerned about, which I think is
kind of bizarre, and you know, at that time, but
still I'm not really sure. You know, there's a lot
of speculation about lou I. From the time that I've
gotten to know him and talk to him, you know,
I feel like he's legitimate. I did ask him one
(45:57):
time on this show. I did say to him something
along the lines where your personality you would make a
really good disinformation agent. A lot of people think that
you are. And he got very angry. He got very
angry at that statement. And when some people sometimes can
(46:21):
just get angry, and some people get angry when there's
something that disturbs them because there's a seed, of course
to it. So I'm not sure, and I don't know.
I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt.
I know he's made some really big bloopers with some
images and things that some of his talks, and he's
the first to say that he did. But you know,
(46:43):
it really made me think about the crop circle situation,
that picture when he showed that. I was actually streaming
that live when he showed that, and right away, you know,
people knew what it was and supposedly he was given
that just before he went up to the stage and
from an anonymous source, and that he should know that
(47:09):
for all the positions he has that if someone is
going to give that to him, watch out, you know,
because it it really did not help him, you know,
his credibility wise, and so you know, so, but he
should know better than to do that. And I said,
right after that happened on the show, I said, if
(47:29):
I was talking to him personally, I would say, what
were you thinking? You know, why would you why would
you do that? But so I know there's a lot
of speculation about Louel Zundo. I think he's a great guy.
He's highly intelligent. I think he has a lot to offer,
and if he really did, I'm a little confused too,
because he said that he kind of lost like everything
(47:54):
after he quit his job type of And but then
when I was talking to him, he was talking about
all the stuff that he collects, you know, civil war
things in jeeps, and you know, we were you know,
so it's kind of like I don't really understand. I
really don't. It's possible I may get to go visit
(48:14):
with him at some point through someone else, So he
doesn't know that yet, so when I say, is possible,
and yeah, I'd like to really get the hands on
and see exactly what that man is about.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
Yeah, I mean that'll be good, good experience through and through,
I bet so, hopefully putting the good vibes out there,
hopefully it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (48:35):
Yeah, yeah, But so I don't know if you have
any more to add any other thing in your notes.
You'd like to talk about.
Speaker 3 (48:42):
One thing it's not specifical, Well, it's related to the video.
But there was another video that was made. Are you familiar?
It's on a different channel, but it's about the UFOs
and psyops and I thought it was an interesting I
guess you could call it like an opinion piece, But
are you familiar with the YouTube channel the why files?
And I think his name is aj.
Speaker 1 (49:02):
You never heard of him, so.
Speaker 3 (49:05):
Folks in the chat and for Martin too, definitely check
this video out. But it was he basically has his
own rundown of his opinion on pyops as it relates
to the UFO topic and things that he looks out
for as like a consumer of UFO content.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
So I thought it was fine. I watched his video.
Speaker 3 (49:25):
I think last week or two weeks ago, but it
kind of reframed the way I think about the information
that I consume as it relates to the UFO topic.
Speaker 2 (49:35):
But anyways, it's a good one.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I forget what the title of video is, but if
you just type in y files and then UFO psyop,
it'll it would come up. But I only say that
to say, Martin, you know, do you buy the story
that obviously you can tell in this documentary it's very
intelligence community focused in terms of their primary sources that
they're drawing from. Rightfully so, but obviously the same community
(50:00):
is paid to lie to the American public to keep
us safe. That's what we that's what their primary focus is. Generally,
I'm over generalizing here, yeah, but basically this documentary we
have a group of IC folks saying that within the IC,
they started their own UFO program not being able to
find the legacy UFO program at the start, and then
(50:21):
when they started researching their UFO program on their own
within the IC, and they got, like, I guess, maybe
too far in their work, and then they eventually came
across the legacy program in the IC community somewhere and
they started hammering down on them and their work that
they were doing on the side as UFOs, kind of
putting them in the we're the good guys of the
(50:44):
IC community. And now I'm only playing Devil's advocate here,
but as a consumer, as a layman, knowing that this
single community is, you know, that's their primary focus is
maybe counterintelligence and lying and all that stuff, just to
keep see, to keep people safe, you know, giving them
the benefit of the doubt, trying to keep people safe,
do the right thing. You know, how can you believe
(51:08):
this random group of folks within the IC is painting
themselves as the good guys saying, you know, we're trying
to bring this out, but the other folks in our
community are aren't letting us or whatever. That's kind of
like the vibe I was getting. But what do you
think about that?
Speaker 1 (51:23):
If I think that's a I think that is a
really really good point, a really really good point. And
you know, when I've talked with John Kerriako former CIA
on on air off air, you know, yeah, it's a
wonderful guy, but you know he's very much saying, oh yeah,
we lie about everything we you know, he doesn't even
(51:43):
say it's supposed to and he says, and we kill people.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's like it's like, you know, but yeah, I mean,
so that's a really good point. You know, I didn't
look at that angle. I didn't think of that angle.
But you're right. These are people that, you know, they
they really know how to lie, and you know, for
the reasons and to make things happen in their favor. Manipulating,
(52:10):
manipulating everything to get to a certain you know, outcome.
That's kind of what they're trained to do. That is
their training, you know.
Speaker 3 (52:19):
So densitizing the masses to certain information to portray a
specific you know, message or frame a specific narrative if
you will. But it's interesting, fascinating work. I mean, you
master communicators at the least any of those guys.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yeah. Yeah, So unless anyone wants to pop in her
question really quick and to chat, I think we're going
to call it a night. And we're close to an hour,
and thank you, it's been been a lot of fun.
I think Mary Grace is nineteen ninety nine or by
it like I did. I pre ordered it for twenty
four dollars so I can watch it. And this I
(53:03):
rarely watch a movie more than once that's just the
nature of what I do, but this is one that
I would definitely consider watching again. I thought it was
really really good, so thank you all for being here
and joining us tonight
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