719. Chris & Sean O'Leary

Interview with Chris & Sean O'Leary in a first-of-its-kind account of a family that reports nearly 70 years of repeated alien encounters. Their experiences began in 1959 when their mother was allegedly taken in broad daylight by a silent triangular craft. What followed were decades of abductions involving underground installations, medical procedures, Mantis beings, and the revelation of a hybrid child created through non-human intervention. As a child, one sibling was reportedly taken alongside the mother and later alone, guided through craft interiors and operating rooms. In the 1970s, a daytime landing in the family’s backyard allegedly resulted in the entire family being taken to an underground facility with hundreds of other abductees present. One brother later became a police officer and describes a unique relationship with the Greys, including telekinetic training and an agreement allowing voluntary cooperation without paralysis—an agreement he says was honored until 2023. He is also believed to be the first police officer to ever confront a Grey at point-blank range with his service weapon. Everything changed on August 19, 1996, when a saucer reportedly materialized above the home in broad daylight during the return of the police officer from an abduction. Multiple witnesses observed the event, and due to the timing, memory suppression allegedly failed—resulting in sudden shared recall across multiple family members without hypnosis.

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Speaker 1 (00:15):
Hello, and welcome to the show. I'm Martin willis your host.
And for those of you who are watching this on video,
you just saw a new intro and that is basically
a depiction of my UFO sighting. I talk about it
now and then you know, this one got me interesting
in actually looking into this topic to begin with. But

(00:36):
I was sitting in a hot tub and Carmel Valley, California.
Something caught my attention and was the UFO going over.

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Now.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
I tried with AI to get it so it didn't
have lights, but it didn't have lights, it just had
a blue glow around it. But anyway, that's the explanation
for the new intro and I actually love it. I
think it came out pretty good. And anyway, our blow
this week is a nineteen seventy six encounter from Spain

(01:05):
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(01:26):
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(01:46):
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guest tonight is someone contacted me a while and said
that there were two brothers, one of them being a
retired police officer that had family abductions for many generations

(02:10):
or a few generations, many decades, I should say so.
And by the way, next Tuesday we have Mary Ann,
rob and Dave Rich, both retired police officers around a
Tuesday evening and then next Thursday evening. As it looks
he's always a little tricky to book, but it looks
like we have James Fox for next Thursday. So that's

(02:30):
Thursday at eight pm. So without further ado, I'm bringing
in the two brothers Upper State, New York right now.
Hello guys, welcome.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Hi Martin, how are you pleasure to be here. I'm Chris.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, and Chris, I understand you're almost relate because you
have a lot of snow and ice up there.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
It's kind of like if you've ever seen the Empire
strikes back.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
Driving like that.

Speaker 3 (02:57):
We're on hoff Till like like, may where are you?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Well? I'm South Carolina right now, but normally and next
week I'll be up in ports with New Hampshire where
I spend summers these days, and down here. So yeah,
it's a good life. I like it. I really love
it down here right here Savannah, so Stanna's a beautiful place.
But anyway, thank you both for being here. I've heard

(03:24):
your stories. I did a little bit of research. You
two have been talking about this for longer than I thought.
I don't know why I hadn't heard it before, but
I guess you have been out there publicly since twenty
ten ish from what I can find.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Well, we've been talking about this since nineteen ninety six,
but at that point there were no spaces on AX
or anything like that. I was haunting the bulletin boards
and National UFO Reporting Center with Peter Davenport and two
thousand I caught footage of some craft in this area

(04:00):
and that made it to CBS News overnight on January tenth,
two thousand and Sean contacted Bud Hopkins. And as soon
as Bud Hopkins heard a police officer lifelong a doctee,
he was like, told my beer, and he.

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Came up and stayed a couple of days. Oh wow.

Speaker 3 (04:22):
It interviewed our whole family, which was boy, it was
a big event because my parents were relocate to talk.
But when Bud Hopkins showed up, they they opened up
and then he discussed our case in two thousand and
five on CNN's top rated show, which was Larry King Live.
So we've been at this for a while certainly, and

(04:46):
they've been taking us all a lot.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Yeah, so we'll talk about that. And I have I
haven't had a lot of people that are what they
call today experiences, but I've had, you know, some on
you know, but I think it's interesting. I know it
can be part of it. And there's some amazing stories
that I'm sure you both have looked into over the years.
You know, the allig Ash incon Inta, Travis Walten, then

(05:11):
you know many many more very interesting and cases and
you know what I mean. When I very first got
into this, I said, well, I'm gonna I know for
sure there are UFOs I saw you, but I'm all
about that part of it. And then you know, then
when I sat and talked with people like Travis Walten
face to face and other people like that, it's like,

(05:33):
I just I don't see any red flags and this,
you know what I mean. It's kind of like, well,
if they're going to go over the Arctic and they're
going to dart a polar bear, they're not just gonna
leave it there, They're going to go down and tag
it or whatever, you know what I mean. So if
they're if they're coming here whatever, whatever they are, and
wherever they're coming from, because I still don't really know

(05:54):
for sure. I don't think anyone really does. You know.
Of course, they may be you know, checking out the
life here.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
They're doing more than checking out the life here. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, they're moving in and they're breeding. Are replacements hybrids.
I've been introduced to hybrid son Sean had a similar experience.
I Mean, they're very tight lip. They don't tell you
where they're coming from. You're not going to get that
from them. In fact, you know, they showed up eighty

(06:31):
years ago, uninvited, unwelcome, and started operating and complete secrecy,
never speaking a word to humans the American public about
what they're doing. And then they started abducting people. And
Sean said, they're so secretive they don't even want to abductees.

Speaker 2 (06:55):
To know they're being abducted, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean,
not only do they not want other people to know,
they don't even want the abductees to know. And they're
very good at what they do, there's no doubt about it.
And if it weren't for them making a big mistake,
we wouldn't have remembered what had happened to us throughout
our lives.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
So Sean, I got to ask you, you were obviously
a working police officer during the time where you were
talking when you were talking about this, and has that
caused you any problem?

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Actually, I did not use my name until after I retired.
Like when Bud Hopkins was on CNN, he just mentioned
police officer. He didn't use my name, but he described
our account vividly.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
No, they referred to it as an important case. You
don't get a lot of life of career law enforcement
officials speaking openly about a lifetime of abductions by the.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
Grace, and it was I think it was the abduction
that happened in the daytime that was witnessed by the
family that also drew his attention.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
All right, well, I don't know if you want to
dive into that or anyone in particular, or the very
first you know, chronological situation in your family. Do you
want to talk about that Your mother was out walking
a dog? Is that? Do I have that right? Or
you here?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
That's the earliest we know. There was an incident. My
mother was twelve and she was walking the family dog,
living with, of course, my grandparents. And it was a
bright sunny day and she was only a few blocks
from the house. But all of a sudden, a shadow

(08:45):
fell over the street. And the shadow had like three points.
It was covering the street and a little bit went
on the lawns on either side of the suburban street.
And she looked up and there was a gray, metallic
triangle over her head. She said it was close enough

(09:09):
that if she had a ladder, she could have touched it.
And it was grand We at first we didn't really
care because even though we were being abducted since the beginning.
They make it so you can't recall. They cover those
memories until they come back. And the way we know

(09:29):
about this incident was our grandparents, right, yeah, our grandparents
would all whenever there was a UFO story on the
news in the seventies, right, we were kids, and our parents,
grandparents would say, oh, it's just like that time with Rose,
your mother, you know, she was walking the dog, and

(09:51):
they would tell us again and again the story, and
we're like, yeah, okay, whatever, Grandpa. We weren't really interested,
but yeah. She looked up and she she couldn't understand
how it could be silent and hovering with no she said,
there was no air displacement, no hum, no sounds of
It was just right above her. And she looked up

(10:16):
at it and there was a black rectangle in the center,
which she thought was an open hatch because she looked
into it and it was just black. And then the
next thing she remembers, it was night. It wasn't afternoon anymore,
and she was in the same spot. The dog was gone,

(10:40):
and she started walking home not knowing what happened. And
my grandparents they freaked out when the dog came home
before her. Before that, they thought she was with friends
something like that. And when the dog came home alone,
they hopped in the car and they were going to
search the neighborhood for her, and she came walking up
the driveway. And so that's where it all started for us.

(11:02):
The only reason Sean and I a you know, abducteesus
because we're Mom's kids. Whatever they look for, Mom had it.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
And let me ask you this. Oftentimes when people talk
about by the way, I've been adjusting the screen just
because we run two different streams. One of them is
for people using their smartphone, and I can't make it
work with you too, you know, cyberside unfortunately for those
so they can just hear your voice basically. But so
a lot of times people will say that they're abducted

(11:36):
up until a certain age and then it stops. Is
that what happened to your mother?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
They continued to take her for years and years, Sean.
It took her with Sean many years, right.

Speaker 2 (11:50):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know when her last
abduction would have been, but you know, it was at
least through my teens with her and my father as well.
I know I was taken with them, and for me,
I mean I was taken as recently as a couple
of years ago.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
And here's the use of abductions me. My abductions went
from nineteen sixty six to poof. I moved away around
nineteen ninety to Albany, and I think they stopped about
then eighty nine ninety. But then then in ninety six

(12:36):
they showed up over the backyard. Their ship was materializing.
It was coming through some hole in the sky. It
was a bright sunny day. It was six in the afternoon,
and what they were doing is they were bringing Sean
back from an abduction.

Speaker 2 (12:56):
You worked overnights, right, Yeah, I worked the midnight shift
at the police department. And that day, like every other,
I actually that day I might have worked over, so
I got to sleep late, and so it was probably
noon or so when I went to bed.

Speaker 3 (13:15):
So, yeah, and Sean is the Sewan is their favorite, Okay,
But so if they had they had to take him
after noon. And then here it is sixth and there
was family in the backyard. We were all invited to
a barbecue and hang out by the pool and my
parents' backyard. Sean was still living there. He had just

(13:38):
started as a cop right, and he was saving up
for a home. So we were basically just waiting for
Sean to wake up and come upstairs and then we
would start cooking and hanging out. And they had to
get home, right he wasn't home and for our father
who was commuting back from Albany. So but what we

(13:59):
didn't know is and Sean was not in that room.
He was in this craft that was coming through from
someplace else and becoming more and more solid over the
course of I don't know, six or so minutes. It
took a while for this craft to come through from wherever,

(14:24):
from this other place. At first it was translucent and
it was warbling and warped, like a heat mirage on
a hot road, and the craft slowly came through and
became it was fuzzy and indistinct. Then it became more clear.

(14:46):
You could tell it was spinning the top half one
way and the bottom half the other way. And then
it was chrome bright. It was fully here with us
because now the sunlight was casting was reflecting off the
top and a shadow was cast from the bottom. And

(15:09):
Sean was in that craft. He didn't know it at
the time, No, I didn't know in fact, they do
such a good job of covering your memories.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
Yeah, I'm sorry, going to have to for the other
stream to work. The people are complaining they can't see it,
but you can. I can kind of get a little
closer together. We should make this your brother's for goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (15:35):
It's no problem and lean over his shoulder like this. Yes,
that's right, I am the will Will Ferrell.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
No, no, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
And so well, this is the way we are when
we just hang out. Okay, we watched movies like this.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
All right. Hey, so let's see Sean. I want to
ask you, so, so you're an officer, this is happening
to you while you're a police officer, and so do
you think is there communication? Was there? I mean, I'm
just wondering what the dynamics of that situation. And also,

(16:14):
after you retired you decided to talk about it. Have
any of your former friends and the officers find out
about this situation and have you heard from them and
talk to them about them about this?

Speaker 2 (16:29):
No, I don't really keep in touch with any of them. However,
there were other officers there who they didn't witness anything
with me. But there's a couple of cops who have
very good photographs of UFOs. There's another one who saw
one in a nearby town with his friends when they

(16:50):
were out one night.

Speaker 3 (16:51):
It was is that the one where they were hovering
over a hydro let? Yeah, yeah, and sucking up energy.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
We're running to them. Yeah. And then there was you know,
I know, there was a report on the other side
of town. Somebody reported a UFO landing in her backyard.
I do know that. And there was actually a crop
crop circle a long time ago, well before you know,

(17:19):
when we were kids right here in the city.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
I was maybe thirty when the crop circle was Okay,
all right, so it was early nineties, but and there was, Yes,
So it was not a thing you go into the
station with and.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I feel like you should sit down. Well I'll just
you know, this is fine.

Speaker 2 (17:39):
Should I like squat or no?

Speaker 1 (17:42):
No, you guys are fine, And so it's just fine,
just like this, this works great. So yeah, I don't
I don't want to see him standing up the whole time.
But anyway, So and Chris, you're an artist. You're also
you do a comedy you're a comedy writer and stand
up and all that. So what about your life and
does this ever fall into you know, people finding out hey,

(18:06):
you know in some type of way, you're also I
love your app but also I'm hearing these things about
your being abducted, anything like that happened, and anything like
what anything like people like people like clients that buy
your artwork or anything like that. Do they know this
side of you?

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (18:24):
You know, up until up until the Pentagon disclosures, if
you mentioned aliens, you know, they start filling out the
mental health unit papers for you. I didn't care. I'm
well certain of what happened, and I picked many fights.

(18:45):
But it's not the sort of thing I tried to
work into my careers. People tell me, why don't you
put it in your comedy act because it's not comedy, because.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
It's not even funny. It is deadly serious. So I
really can't do that.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
But a lot of comedy is based on through pain,
you know. I mean, I have a good friend that's
Paul Gilmartin is a well known comedian and he uses
you know, there's a lot I guess I should say
comedy is a lot of it is spurred from pain.
So you know, that's how we deal with things.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Okay, And I'm glad it's working for him. But I'm
not really concerned with my trauma or pain or any
of that. There was really not much of it. They're
very good at controlling your emotions during abductions, you're sedated largely.
But what I am concerned with is vengeance with sounding

(19:46):
an alarm. We are Paul Revere. Okay, this is life
and death. And after eighty years, you think people would
be able to start to piece it together. They're here
not to help, but to help themselves. And they've told

(20:07):
me to my face that they are moving in. And
what the Tall Graces said to me was soon we
will all live here together and everyone will know his place.
Guess where our place is? Exactly where it is with

(20:31):
them now that you are zombified slaves.

Speaker 1 (20:40):
Well, you know a lot of people are going to
have a hard time with this. And I know there's
no way that you can show us proof of anything.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
We I owe nobody proof. Okay, people are lucky that
we are speaking the truth about what is going on.
They can take it or leave it. They can dismiss
us both at your own peril. But it's my duty,
it's my responsibility. After having gone through all of this

(21:12):
to tell people what's happening, and it's not good, so
take it or leave it. I don't know anybody proof.
It's funny how all your friends, if you ever talk
to them about it, they start demanding proof. Prove it
to me, prove it to my satisfaction. And I'm like, dude,
you work for uber eats. When did you become judge?

(21:36):
When did I go on trial? I'm telling you you're
welcome do with it whatever you want. That's a thing
that came about in the fifties when people reported a
flying saucer, everyone demanded proof.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Where's your proof?

Speaker 3 (21:53):
Get your proof out here, show it to me and
to my level of satisfaction too, not you know, convincing evidence,
which is what by the way, CBS.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
News the old days, they wanted an ashtray from abductees.
Did you get an ashtray off the UFO? That's how
long we've been doing this, right.

Speaker 3 (22:14):
They used to say, Oh, all you got to do
is grab an ashtray to prove it.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Because we all know how big smokers these aliens are.

Speaker 3 (22:22):
Yeah, grays, big tartin smokers.

Speaker 2 (22:26):
So that's what they used to That's what they yelled
through the eighties, I would say probably.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
And you know, it's not really hard to piece it together.
I mean, my god, they've shown up here and acted
in secrecy. They they monitored our nuclear missile silos, they
turned down a launch sequenced, they shut another silo down.
They hovered of the White House for three days in
nineteen fifty two.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
These are all before me. People should know this.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
And then when the abduction reports started piling up, start
taking people seriously, that's all you have to do. What
do you think they're here for? I hear a lot
of I don't want.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
To I'd want to dominate this conversation. But yeah, man,
it's one thing the way we look at it. For
a skeptic who doesn't even believe UFOs are here, but
it's hard for me to realize to see eyed eye
with somebody who understands that these are alien beings and

(23:29):
that they're here, but yet don't understand that abductions are
actually happening. You know, they didn't come here just to
fly around their atmosphere. They're here, they're doing work. They're
abducting not only us, they're abducting people on the mass scale.
It's and they're just so good at what they do.

(23:52):
Most abductees, like us, had no idea, no idea it's
happening to them.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Until this incident in nineteen ninety six, when we were
confronted with the reality of it. We couldn't evade it
and I interrupted. I went and grabbed Sean before they
could put him back to sleep.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Okay, let's talk about that whole situation. You're at the
barbecue and you're go. You're thinking he's upstairs, So why
don't you just recount that whole story.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Sure, at this point Sean hasn't really entered the story,
but it's important to hear it from both of us.
There's very little of that. We're at the barbecue. I
was not even looking. For some reason. I picked up
a newspaper and I was holding it blocking the sky.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Why would I do that.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I hate that newspaper because they influenced.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Me to do that.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
And it was my mom who said, there's that UFO
you wanted to see to me because it's never out
of conversations and I didn't. I thought you was busting
my balls. I didn't look up from the newspaper. Then
my aunt, who was there, said, wait a minute, what

(25:11):
is that and my mom said, I don't know, and
I'm like, okay, they're going to all this effort for
me to, you know, to prank me.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Great.

Speaker 3 (25:23):
I lowered the paper and I'm like, okay, what's And
that's as far as my sentence got, because this craft
was all kinds of crazy energy influencing it, and it
was just slowly coming into our world and I didn't

(25:45):
know what it was. I thought this They'd been taking
me since the Johnson administration, all right, one hundred times plus,
but they're so good at covering your mind you don't
know it.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
So I'm like, wow, what is this?

Speaker 3 (26:01):
And I'm thinking it's a promotions balloon or blimp. There's
a big racecourse over near us. But nothing, nothing made sense.
It was a it was a disc shaped craft, and
once it came into clarity, I knew it my and
then it lit up like a road flare points of

(26:25):
light coming off it, like needles of light, pink orange,
gold color to it, and at the moment I was thinking,
thank god I saw it. Before it lit up, I'd
have no idea what this was. But it was getting scary.
The rest of the family, they were still in a trance.
They were standing looking up mouths the gate, shoulder to shoulder,

(26:48):
and nobody including me, spoke a word since when I
said okay, whats and lowered the paper. But I was
getting my senses back, my sense, and I was getting
I was scared. I was angry that they would show
up over our house, and I knew we needed to

(27:12):
get Sean because Sean has guns, and this might go
south on us any minute, and nobody would know whatever
happened to us. So I go to get Sean and
I run and I get to the door and I stop.
Suddenly there's a thought in my head saying, wait, don't

(27:34):
go inside. And you know, if you can back out,
you'll miss this. This is your chance to see something
like this. Don't go inside. And for maybe forty seconds,
it slowed me down. I stopped, but my instincts were
coming back, my sense of that we were in serious danger.

(27:56):
And I looked at my mom, my aunt, my cousin,
everyone who was there and a trance and all women
and kids. So I said, we got to get the
other man. We gotta get Sean. And I pushed past
their thoughts to make me stop, and I ran down.

(28:17):
Sean was in the basement apartment, the lower level. You know,
it's great, there's curtains so he can sleep.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
And it start.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
I ran down four steps at the time, and I
get to his door and I'm gonna throw it open
and say, Sean, get up. There's a flying saucer outside,
there's a UFO. Get I get you gone, get up.
But a thought in my head as I touched the door, said,
don't don't open the door. You will startle him. And

(28:49):
Sean has a gun and he could shoot you. Don't
open the door. And a part of my head said,
oh boy, I hadn't thought of that, okay, So instead
a pound on the door, bum bum bum bum bump,
bump my face, my fore arm. It was almost breaking it.

Speaker 4 (29:06):
Sean, get up, there's a UFO outside, Get up, And
I run back upstairs to see if it's still there,
and then Sean can take over with this.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Sure all right? Well for me, it starts. First thing
I remember. I don't remember being taken. I had no
idea where we went. But first thing I remember is
being in the air looking down at my family by
the pool, and I didn't feel like I was out
of place. I wasn't scared. I wasn't nervous. I didn't

(29:45):
wonder what I was doing there. I saw my family
by the pool. I got excited. I wanted to go
swimming with them, so I audiblize, can I go swimming?
And you know, at that point, I didn't even see
who I was on the craft with. But once I

(30:07):
said that, off to my right side, maybe eight or
ten feet, a short gray alien was standing parallel. I
noticed him standing parallel to me and facing the same direction,
and he leaned forward and he tilted his head to
look at me, and he says, we're taking you to bed.

(30:31):
You can get up and go swimming, and he even
emphasized the word up. So that's when I noticed. Because
I was looking in his direction, I noticed right behind
me there were two taller gray aliens and they were
standing directly behind each shoulder. There was one right here

(30:51):
behind my right shoulder and one behind my left shoulder.
And when I looked at him, I got no response
out of him. He was basically motionless. I was really
close eye to eye with them, and uh with the ship.
When I said I I saw my family outside. It
wasn't as if I was looking out a window or anything.

(31:12):
It's that the side of the craft wasn't even there.
From the inside, I could just see, uh, the outdoors.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
What about where you were standing color?

Speaker 2 (31:28):
But I I can't tell you exactly what the floor
looked like. M h and uh. So after I asked
to go swimming, and he said, uh, but I can't
tell you what it looked like behind him or anything
like that. I just remember seeing his face. I'm not

(31:49):
sure about the floor. And like I say, the exterior
of the craft was not even visible to me. I
could just see outdoors. And I don't don't know if
that was for my benefit or for theirs. But when
I look down there, I got excited. I wanted to swim.
He told me they were taking me to bed. And

(32:11):
I looked back forward after looking face to face with
the taller gray and I noticed the pool water. There
was all these little dots of light like reflecting off
the water, and I thought to myself, boy, that's really weird.

(32:32):
And I thought to myself from there, I said, geez,
it must be the sun's reflection from this angle, because
I'm from an elevated view. But that didn't make sense
at all. It was all kinds of little lights and
they were like skip, almost skipping across and bouncing off
the water, off the waves, and my little cousin was
in the shallow end. And the next thing I know

(32:57):
is I'm in the basement. And when I'm in the basement,
all of a sudden, I feel real groggy, as if
I'm under anesthesia or maybe drunk, whereas I felt completely
normal when I was on the craft and we were
the craft itself was between our house and the house

(33:19):
next door, and we ended up in the basement on
the side of the house where the craft was, and
I've got an arm over each alien's shoulders, like a
drunk being helped to bed by his buddies, and I
really felt that I was having trouble walking. They were
doing most of the work, and I looked to the

(33:42):
alien of my right and I thanked him for helping me.
I said thank you, and he didn't respond at all,
so I thanked him again, and this time his response
was yeah, yeah, okay, that's.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Exactly the New York or alien.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah. So from there they I don't remember actually getting
into bed, but they brought me to the bedroom. I
don't remember squeezing through the door jam or if we
walked through the wall that was there. I honestly don't remember.
But next thing I remember as I'm in bed and

(34:23):
there's an alien on the side of my bed. And
I only know this because I hear them. It's telepathy.
It's telepathic, but I would describe it as hearing it
directly into my head. And he's in an absolute panic.
He says he's coming. We're gonna get caught. And he

(34:43):
says it in an absolute panic, like I've never seen
anybody in that much fear before. And the other one,
sitting at the foot or standing at the foot of
the bed, I should say, turns to him and says, no,
he's not not yet. And I was falling asleep at

(35:03):
the time, and I just heard him going back and forth,
and I just had to know, a Who's coming, and
what's he worried about getting caught? Who could they be
worried about catching them? And are they not supposed to
be doing this? You know, getting caught implies you shouldn't

(35:25):
be doing it, and they're worried about somebody catching them.
And in my head, I was thinking, is there some
supreme being that they're afraid of that's on his way
to catch them. So I sat up in bed and
I asked, I said, who's coming? And at that point
they were both at the foot of the bed. They

(35:46):
turned their heads to look directly at me and they said,
go to sleep. And I had no choice but to
lay back down started off to drift to sleep, and
that's when I heard banging on the door. Boom bo
bo bo boom. Sean, get up, there's a UFO outside.
And it took me just a second to realize what's happening. Oh.

(36:10):
I tried to answer him. I tried to answer him
when he said that using telepathy, because I was just
using telepathy with the aliens. And I said to him,
I said, of course there is. They were just here.
They just left, is what I said. Uh. And then
it took me a second, So what what's going on here?
And I threw the covers off and I ran upstairs,

(36:31):
and I by the time I got there, the UFO
was gone.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
I came upstairs and it was moving away. After waking
up sewn, it was now over the next street. And
then strangely, it had turned to instead of flat disc
like a record album, it was like a wheel and
it was slowly sparkling and moving away. Sean comes up
and the rest of us are like.

Speaker 2 (36:57):
You wouldn't believe it. Yawn, there's the fires off. I
was right here at level. I didn't know its real?

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Is it real?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
And Sean was wincing in pain.

Speaker 3 (37:07):
I'm looking at him and he was struggling like in
a prison movie where the guy's in the hot box
for a month and they take him out and the
daylight is too much. And I thought, oh man, we
really woke him up partially there and he's listening to
it all. And I tell Sean, let's get in your

(37:27):
convertible and let's go that way.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
It's heading east.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
Let's get on twenty nine, see if we can catch it,
because I really wanted John.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
To see it. I was in pain when I came upstairs.
It was it felt like it was extraordinarily bright to
be up there, and it felt like I shouldn't have
been awake yet I still felt a little bit groggy,
and I'm standing there and I'm wrestling with the realization
of what just happened, because I remembered it all from

(37:57):
the point of being up in the air there looking
down at the family, but not only that, all the
other memories came back to me of my youth and
childhood and memories with my family being taken as well.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You mean instantaneously.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Uh, they were coming one after another. I can't tell you.
I had, you know, sixty thoughts in one second, but
one would come after another. And I don't know if
they all showed up that day, but there were a
lot of them.

Speaker 3 (38:31):
Coming back to me right away. So we're in the
car and we're driving towards it, and I'm going on
and on about it, and Sean finally, Oh, tells what's happening,
And he said, yes, of course they were bringing me back.

Speaker 2 (38:51):
They were just here.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
And I thought, you know, I was abducted before Travis Walton,
before Whitney Streeber.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
I got way back.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
But they did such a job on my mind of
covering the memories that what I said to Sean wash Oh, No, Sean,
we're not talking about alien abduction. I'm just talking about
there was a flying saucer over the house for ten minutes.
I couldn't make the connection right there, and I was

(39:26):
a little worried. I was a little worried for him,
and he was adamant, and he said to me, they've
taken you too a lot and I got condescending. I said, oh,
come on, Sean, I think if I was taken in
a spaceship by aliens, I would remember it. And Sean said,

(39:48):
we're driving the car looking for it and it veered off. Yeah,
So I say, don't you remember the time Mom screamed,
they're back? Why do they have to come back? And
he finished the phrase with me, why do they always
have to come back? I in that instant, I remembered

(40:13):
that abduction. It was our whole family that came for
us at like eleven am, which was unusual. They landed
a ship in our backyard and there was a tall
gray and two short grays. We were watching TV in
the living room when Mom started screaming, and I had

(40:33):
no idea.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Who what type of what type of property is it?
Is it secluded?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Like?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Is there like a field and woods?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
And was it like?

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Absolutely not. It is the top of a brand new
motor acre lots. This was a half acre with that
the one house that he's referring to had a larger
lot a half acre, but there's still houses surrounding you.

Speaker 3 (40:58):
It is It is four feet off of Route twenty nine,
which is at the time it was very busy East
West route. It went ran from Boston to Buffalo. It
was right there and it was the daytime. Now we do,
we did have privacy shrubs, but who's not seeing this craft?

(41:18):
And it was it wasn't a flying saucer that landed.
It was it looked like an airstream trailer, you know,
that rounded elegant silver, but up on its end more
it had two folding struts and there were three beans.
It's like, all of a sudden, the world is surreal,
because even though they've been taking me forever, they had

(41:42):
my memories covered. But so that was the one it
broke it for me. Sean mentioned that, and I'm like,
oh my god, I remember that. Of course I remember that.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
So here's a question for you here were Was the
craft the same in all the abduction No?

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Oh no, no, a little different. We've been in all
kinds of ships. Large for you, they're usually doing. I
don't always see the craft itself. A lot of times,
especially my well even recently, they'll come into the bedroom
and I don't necessarily see the craft. There was one
time when I was floating underneath as a kid, I
looked up and briefly saw it. And another time they

(42:23):
had me outside the craft flying where I could barely
see the craft, and they took.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
You out of a station wagon with mom and dad. Yeah,
in nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, where they were just literally they were waiting for
us to come down the street. They were hiding behind
a large tree in a neighbor's property, and as soon
as our car went by, the lights went on and
it's like a ferris wheel. It started turning coming down
the street at us, and a dad saw it first. Yeah, and.

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Anyway, but to finish the point, we would not be
sitting here talking with you or anyone about this if
those aliens didn't f up. I don't know if this
is a family podcast.

Speaker 1 (43:15):
Yeah, I usually don't swear, but yeah, so they fed
up badly.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
And what happened was then.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
I got sewn before his memories were covered, So Sean remembers.

Speaker 2 (43:27):
That where I went back to sleep. I strongly believe
if I had gone back to sleep, so it sounds
like if I had woken up an hour or two later,
I never would have remembered that this had happened. But
as a child, I did remember what was happening to me?
Like I made a deal with them early on. I

(43:49):
didn't like the paralyzation. I called it freezing as a kid,
And when they would come, I asked him, would you
not freeze me anymore? And he says, as long as
you do as you're told, we won't do it anymore.
And they lived up to that deal, at least up
until recently. I would greet them when they came. I

(44:13):
would be excited as a kid. There were times where
I was petrified.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, but you know, I have to say. You know,
one of the things I've said on this show a
number of times over the years, like if this was
happening to me, I don't know how I could function
in life.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
I'm sure it affects a lot of people negatively. I'm
sure it does whether people have substance abuse issues or
they end up in prison. I would agree with you.
I bet a lot of people have trouble dealing with it.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
I ask them, as a kid, why do you always
make me forget? And what the Tall Grace said was,
we want you to live a normal life, and that
would not be possible if we let you remember. And
I got the feeling it was kind of bullshitting too. Sorry,

(45:05):
sorry about that, because I was thinking in my mind
after he said that. Yeah, Plus, I can't runder the
cops the next morning, or the state police or the
National Guard. If every abductee woke up the next day
and remembered, they would not be able to get away

(45:26):
with any of this. It would cause it would be
a national crisis, of course, which it is for these
people that you mentioned who might have a hard time
getting used to the idea that it's negative or considering it.
All you have to do is look at abductions. Every
abduction is a series of felonies that would land any

(45:50):
of us in prison forever. How about home invasion? How
about kidnapping children?

Speaker 1 (45:57):
I heard another police officer or that I had my
show basically say exactly the same thing.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It's it's true. Yeah, if your neighbor did this to
your child, you'd be outraged. If an alien does it,
you know, they kind of roll the rise. Yeah, they're like, oh,
well maybe they just do.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
Can't really arrest them. It's not gonna.

Speaker 3 (46:18):
Let's not stop there. Human trafficking in space, for God's sakes,
unwanted surgeries that you know nothing about and then it
gets really bad. Sexual abuse, forced reproduction, forced hybridization. These
things don't like us. Just because they're abducting us doesn't

(46:43):
mean they're your friend. In fact, the record is quite
clear that what they're doing is for their own advantage.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
So why why why?

Speaker 3 (46:53):
Because they're taking the planet. It's very simple. They're Columbus,
we're the Indians. This is a This is not a
metaphysical species that's all about spirituality. They're about territory and resources,
just like the same thing about this alien contact is
that the rules out there are the same as the

(47:16):
rules down here. The strong take from the weak and
they do what they want with them. This is not
a friendly visit. This is they've told me they're moving
in and we will know our place.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
But why here?

Speaker 1 (47:33):
There must be so many other planets that are occupied
by Well.

Speaker 3 (47:38):
You take a look at Neptune or Pluto or a
rains glass of needles, okay, and nothing solid can live.
And you take a look at Earth with the Riviera
and the Mediterranean and the bread basket and the oceans.
This is a beautiful planet.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
I mean it is, but there should be many more, many, many,
many more.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
Like yeah, you don't know how many they've been to
and I'm not sure what their agenda is. And they
have been friendly, at least on an individual basis. You know,
when they get you, when they get you as a kid,
they treat you with kid gloves. They want to make
sure nothing happens to you. They answered my questions as

(48:20):
a child. They would talk to me. They never said
shut up. They always had a response to what I
had to say. And if the tall Gray got angry,
he took it out on the short gray. If we
were farting around too much, he never yelled at me.
There was only one time where I felt they, you know,

(48:44):
could have been nicer to me, and that's when they
took the skin sample, the scoop mark from me.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
And do you actually have that scar now?

Speaker 3 (48:52):
I do?

Speaker 2 (48:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
When you were talking to Bud. When you're talking with Bud,
did a couple things?

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Did he?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
First of all, regress? Regress? Both of you.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Try to it was it was it failed with both
of us, but for me it was it was starting
to work, like I felt the energy going up and
down my leg and what had made me had to
do was take a pee. And he warned me and
told me to go take to use the bathroom first,

(49:25):
and I didn't, and as soon as I had to,
he got frustrated, which made it harder for me to relax.
So it didn't work for me. All these memories that
I have, and they are fragmented, I don't remember most
of what's happened on the ships all these times, but
I do remember some of it. But it Yeah, the

(49:48):
regression did not work with me. It didn't work with
me either.

Speaker 3 (49:52):
One of the factors was he was doing it at
noon in my apartment at the time, which had sheer curtains,
light pouring in heavy trapped in front of my house,
and I had two kittens that were yowing and screaming.
It did not work, and I'm fine with that because frankly,
I think it would have been a black mark.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
On what we have. Yeah, people would have been like, oh,
regressed memories, right.

Speaker 3 (50:18):
What we're telling you is what we remember clearly.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
So were there any other have there ever been? You know,
you talk about being on the busy route there forty
feet away from Route twenty nine or whatever it is now,
are there other witnesses that haven't actually seen the craft
or anything?

Speaker 3 (50:35):
Absolutely, we've had a lot of witnesses, and we have
a map. All our abductions were from fifteen different locations.
The furthest apart they were were two and a half miles.
It was in the busy parts of Saratoga Springs, that's

(50:55):
and there were times there were witnesses his friends.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
And they took me in front of of I don't know,
a dozen friends or so. They used mind control on
my mother to have her come out of the house
and waved me into the house to take me. And
as soon as I went in, I went inside couldn't
find my parents, who were always in the living room
in specific spots. She literally just walked in the house

(51:21):
in front of me, couldn't find either one of them.
Came back outside, thinking it was a minute later, half
the friends were gone. I asked my but where'd they go?
And he said, well, you've been inside for two hours
And I said, no, I've been inside for like a minute.
And he laughed. He says, you've been gone for two hours.
Well you should have seen it, because as soon as

(51:43):
you went inside, this thing shot up up into the
sky right above your house. It was like a firework.
And he made a movement with his arm like shooting
something straight up into the sky. He didn't say it
was a UFO. He didn't say it was you know,
alien spacecraft. He just said it was something. And there

(52:03):
were a good deal more of witnesses over the decade.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, there are hundreds, and CBS News found my footage
of these craft quite convincing. But I'd want to return
for a second to I'm sure there's plenty of worlds.
Why would they come here? Well, that really doesn't matter, because.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
They are here.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
Surely you've seen photos of flying saucers. Well, guess who's
in them. It's not a pinata filled with candy. It's
not a Russians, it's not.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
Yes, they're here, and I know there's definitely something going on.
It's just it's just a question like if if their
intent was to take over this was my question. Basically,
I don't understand what the attraction would be for taking
over this. I mean, what the reason? What are they taking?

(52:56):
What would they be taking over?

Speaker 2 (52:58):
A question?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Everything?

Speaker 3 (53:01):
You know, the planet, our biological diversity of a billion species,
are water that is not frozen ice, and it's not
ammonia or methane. It's a glorious planet and they apparently
want it, because they told me, to my face, more
closer than I see you, about as close as Sean

(53:23):
is here. Soon we will all live here together and
everyone will know.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Did they say the same thing to you Sean?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
No? I never asked. They usually don't offer up information
unless you ask, and sometimes when you ask, they get angry.
It only once, actually did I see him get angry.
But I asked if they take everyone, and his response
was no, not everyone, which doesn't sound like it's, you know,

(53:51):
just a couple of people. And then when I asked,
why do they take me? That's when he got not happy.
You know, he wasn't happy.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
And why do you suppose was your family was targeted?

Speaker 2 (54:02):
No idea whatever they whether it was just happenstance that
my mother was out, or you know, whether it was
her father before that, which I doubt, but he died
in World War two. It could go back that far.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
But this is not These abductions are not something that's
gone on for thousands of years. Where were the abductions
in the roaring twenties? Where were they in the Civil War?
They showed up en mass. When we became a nuclear
power and potentially a threat and their attention paid to

(54:38):
our nuclear missile silos is pretty clear evidence at that
this hasn't been gone going on forever. The hybrid they
introduced me to in nineteen seventy nine, he was not
close to passing for human. He was one of the
intermediate stages. But that was a very interesting thing. So yeah,

(55:01):
and a lot of people say, well, if they were
gonna attack us or take over, they'd have done it
right now. Well, guess what, they've never seen the movie
Independence Day. They didn't know they're supposed to show up
and blow up the taj Mahall and the White House,
which of course led to humans joining together to defeat them.
They are smarter than we are. That's why nobody has.

(55:25):
Nobody has what I consider to be a true photo
of a gray nobody. That's why, for the first time,
science is trying to investigate something that's smarter than they
are and has the head of benefit of controlling.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Your your mind. That's the thing is, there's huge advantage
of being able to control your mind. Not only have
they done it to me, but they've they've done it.
I've seen them do it to other people, including my
mother that I just described h Yeah, whatever is going
to happen, it's going to be their decision because I

(56:05):
don't see us doing anything about it. They're just so
beyond us. It's incredible the stuff they can do. That's
physics don't apply to them.

Speaker 3 (56:14):
It's not just the craft.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
The beings themselves are more powerful than the craft are.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yes, a lot of people make the mistake thinking, wow,
these ships, if we just get ahold of them technology.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Yeah, they think they get what comes with this technology?
Who showed up in the ships? This disclosure project? If
I were to go ahead, you know, I would say
if if I were talking to Joe Rogan, what I
would how I would explain it to him is pretend
you're the UFC champion. You're the champion of the world.

(56:48):
Don't be in too big a hurry to have somebody
come here who can clean your clock, because whether they
do or not, we'll be up to them.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
The great advantage these beings have over us, Make no mistake,
it's not their technology.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
As startling and beyond us as it is.

Speaker 3 (57:06):
It is their ability, their innate ability to control your mind.

Speaker 2 (57:13):
They use it as a weapon when they are abducting you.

Speaker 3 (57:17):
They're reading your minds in real time, and if you
think of resisting or fighting or running or screaming, they
will paralyze you instantly where you stand with their mental powers.
And then when they get closer to.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
You, they will they will let you remember them, but
at the same time and they go like, first of all, another,
let me just correct a myth out there that the
aliens would speak robotically or stiffly.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
These beings are in your mind. They know everything that
happened to you, and they know how people talk to you.
They know how well how the language as you've heard it,
and they speak to you in very conversational English. They
will use slang, they will use contractions. And the odd

(58:11):
part for me is even when they're talking to each
other and I overhear them like I did in the basement,
they're also speaking in conversational English, like we're gonna.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Get caught now, We're going to be caught, you know.
So it's to me that's the strangest thing about them.
They're very human like, but they're not humans. They're good
at mimicking of.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
I've had a use sarcasm on me when they were
really pissed. When the conversation with my hybrid son didn't
go the way they like. And another myth, while we
only have moments, is that these another misconception is that, oh,
they're emotionless. They're robots, they're avatars, they're they're just computers.

(59:02):
They have emotions completely, they don't have all of emotions,
most of the negative ones. They can be very angry,
they can lash out at you, and you know it's
a real emotion because when they have an intense emotional reaction,
whether surprise or anger or something, you feel it.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
It hits you like a wave in the chest.

Speaker 3 (59:31):
If you've ever been to a rock concert, you're standing
in front of the base amp and it's thumping.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
And you feel that.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
You feel their emotions. Now, when they were talking about
my hybrid kid, I got to tell you they really
liked him. They were proud of him, and meeting me
had nothing to do with me. They don't care about
the humans.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
But the kid.

Speaker 3 (59:55):
Asked again and again and again to meet me, and
they said no, no, no, until they said yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
And this is what they said the meme.

Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
They sprung it on me and you know, I was
still sedated to some degree, and they there's the kid,
and like, go talk to him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Go talk to him. So those are two.

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
Things that people have to get their heads around. The
Grays are living beings, Okay, everyone is reaching Oh their ais,
their avatars, their robots, their c three po, they're the
robot from Lost in Space. They're scared that beings exist
out there and came here, and so they put up
these mental blocks. And another thing is believing they don't

(01:00:42):
have emotions. They do, and they well now most of
them are like bored, bored, resentful that they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yeah, for me, I felt good emotions from them as well.
Was excited one time when I did something. Uh one
uh cared. I could feel cared for me when I
was upset one time and wanted to know what was
wrong and made it better, you know. And of course

(01:01:15):
he got yelled at by the tall gray. He revealed
something he wasn't supposed to be. Yeah, they talk about
the future. They're so smart that they know the future.
I put it that way. They on two occasions they
told me something that was going to happen, and it happened,
and it was very unlikely, very unlikely, and it was

(01:01:36):
something they shouldn't have had no idea he should have.
He should have had no idea what I was even
talking about, let alone the.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
Future of it was cultural, It wasn't the news. Yeah,
and yeah, they could be very kind and they can
be considerate when.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
I just ask, I want to I want to ask
a little bit about the hybrids. First of all, uh,
where where are they? You said first of all that
they're they're kind of they're not. They don't look well
so far as.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
There is no in nineteen seventy nine they did not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Okay, but what are they? Where are these hybrids? I mean,
what are they doing with them? And first of all,
my number one question is what type of problems would
hybrids solve for them? Since you have communication with them?

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
Well, if you read doctor David Jacobs, who is the
only I never recommend researchers, even though we work with
Bud Hopkins.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
I like what Carla Turner had to say, but that
was a very long time ago. Doctor David Jacobs is
absolutely right. I have never read anybody who had it
close to right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
And from the abductees that he has talked to in
the last oh five ten years, they are now at
the stage where they pass completely for human visually, but
they're still aliens on the inside, with all the hive mind,
with all the minds linked, and with all the powers

(01:03:07):
to control. And where are they according to Jacobs and
so many abductees or I don't like to rely on
I like to just speak about what I know. They
are now in apartments. A lot of abductees aren't brought
in ships. They're brought to the apartments where these human
looking hybrids are living. So that's the benefit is they're

(01:03:31):
hiding in plain sight. If twenty of your neighbors are hybrids,
you don't know it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:39):
Why is human DNA necessary?

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
Ask them? Yeah, ask them some of this.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Well you're the one who's communicating with them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yeah, well guess what. They They don't take you and say, listen,
here's why human DNAs.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
But you're asking them other things. You've talked to them
about other things. I'm just saying, why, why, what do
they explain to you and why they're doing this? Why
are they doing the I'm still I don't get it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Well, most of my questions were when I was a child,
so I had the questions of a child for me.
I don't remember asking them questions recently. They just kind
of grabbed me and went, but you know, I don't
think they'll explain everything to you. But I don't know,
and you're not in that state of mind when they

(01:04:29):
come and get you. It's like, you know, why don't
you ask the doctor exactly what he's doing when you
go when you're under sedationan in the operating room, you
might ask him beforehand, but when you're under sedation, you're
you're just not of a clear mind, and.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
You're always sedated to one degree or another with them.
But if I didn't make this clear, I did not
know they were making hybrids from me until nineteen seventy nine,
that summer seventy nine, when they introduced me to one,
and then they they wrung it on, and then they
made me forget it until we fought for our memories
back in nineteen ninety six. This is what the abductions

(01:05:09):
are for. They're not too like aliens. Won't sit you
down and go tell me about your favorite religion, what's
a family like? Who was your favorite beetle? They don't
care what you have to say, and if they want
to know what you have to say, they just reach
into your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
And read it. So they hadn't told me any of that.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
It's not like they said, we're using a recombinant RNA
with some toad we took out of whales or crows. No,
they don't tell you, and they'll never trust anybody who
will tell you they know what the name of the
race is, or what planet they come from, or how

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their ships work, because they don't give out evidence. They
know that this is a war and we should know it,
and we're losing badly. By the way, after eighty years,
they've already got our replacement out there in society and
they're hiding it in place, and they're winning this war

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without ever firing a single shot. They're winning this war
with even UFO experts scratching their heads wondering what's going on?

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
What about the government?

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Oh, it doesn't. First of all, what's your opinion, Sean, Well,
my opinion is the government's handling it the correct way.
If you won't answer the first question, you're never asked
the follow up questions, and those are the questions they
really want to avoid, and so far, none of the
disclosure people have come up with a second question. It's

(01:06:46):
you know, are these UFOs real? Basically, and once they
say yes, I'm sure, somebody might think of a follow
up question and guess what. They're probably not going to
like the answer to the follow up questions because it's
either going to be we don't know or it's not
great news.

Speaker 3 (01:07:03):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
I'm sure they're well aware that people are being abducted.
I'm sure they're you know, they have information that we don't.
Perhaps I don't know, but I think they're handling it correctly.
If any of the politicians know, they're using plausible deniability,
they probably don't know. This is definitely a military uh,

(01:07:28):
the military operation. Yeah, to be, they're the right ones
to be handling it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
The grays, there's a hierarchy of rank, short gray, tall
gray mantis and the mantis. No goddamn good threatened to
kill my dog and my parents because.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I saw him, so all they're all working together.

Speaker 3 (01:07:50):
Oh no, they're working in The short grays are the
bottom of the totem poll. They're not together, they're not equals.
The tall grays are above them, and the mantis, because
I was there, are above the tall grays, and the
tall grays couldn't disobey them. But they try their best

(01:08:12):
to to save me from this vengeful, angry Mantis and
they yeah, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:23):
I never saw Mantis myself, but I do know the
shorter Grays are intimidated by the taller gray. It's not
just though he's got rank on me, so he barks
the orders. I mean, he really lets him know. He's
a boss you wouldn't want to work for. We'll put
it that way. He's a real whipcracker.

Speaker 3 (01:08:45):
I've seen him petrified of the tall Grays, of disappointing,
of failing. And so people who think, let me disillusion
a whole bunch of people right here. People who think
they're going to raise us up to be equals have
to realize that they are not equals.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Yeah, and they don't even treat themselves like equals.

Speaker 3 (01:09:05):
They are very rigid, hierarchy military. I did say, one
hour is not going to cover what we know. We
haven't even talked about the time we went to an
underground facility with over three hundred abductees. We haven't talked
in detail about our hybrids. Well, well, we'll leave people

(01:09:26):
hanging if we need to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
And one last thing here. Over the years, have you
ever found other people that claim they have very similar,
you know, experiences to yourselves?

Speaker 3 (01:09:40):
Oh, absolutely, there are many. We are legion, all right,
there are many. And I open spaces, welcome people in
to talk about it. And every week someone comes in
and he goes, nobody believes me about this, but they
did this or they were wearing that, And I go, absolutely,

(01:10:01):
nothing makes me happier, uh than confirmation of details that
I am the only one I've ever heard talked about,
that Sean is the only one he's talked about. And
another thing we're going to have to get into at
some point is they had Sean perform as of telekinesis

(01:10:21):
and they were very pleased with his success. And Seawan
aimed his gun.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
At a cop once. I mean, don't name your guns
at cops. No, no, no, no. An alien was attempting
to abduct him on aliens during your shift, right, And
do you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Think, like, just say you shot the alien. Do you
think they're biological like us and you would kill it?
Would die? I mean that would be a guest, right at.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
Least allegedly they've died in crashes, so I would assume,
so what, I don't know if he would have let
me get to that, you know, but do you have
a minute, y'all, will tell you what happened, and ye,
all right. Well, I lived in the city that I
worked in, and late at night I would stop home.
Sometimes it was a quiet night, and I have a

(01:11:14):
circular driveway. Pull up in my circular driveway and I
walk towards the front door, and I've got an open courtyard.
It doesn't have a roof over a portion of it.
And as I'm walking to the front door, I see
three UFOs fly overhead from the north towards the south,

(01:11:35):
and it's instant panic. You know, you get butterflies in
your stomach. You're like, oh, no, okay, and then they
keep going and it's instant relief. You're like, oh, great,
they're not here for me, And sure they're not. So
the one on the left side basically just did a
U turn and started coming back towards me, and in

(01:11:57):
a panic, I gotrified again. And I don't know why
I was so terrified. I've dealt with him my whole life,
but it still can be quite alarming. So I ran
for the door, got the door open, but trip going
in the screen door is hitting me in the feet.

(01:12:18):
I'm flat on my ass inside the doorway, and the
craft had come down I couldn't see it because the
courtyard was in the way of the wall but in
front of the police car, and there's a tall gray
at the end of the courtyard and I had my
gun out in fear and pointed it towards him. And

(01:12:41):
what he said, He kind of made a movement with
his arm. He made a gesture. He said, well, if
you're going to be like that, and he turned around
and started walking back towards his craft, and he was
what's the word I'm looking for. It was completely offended
that I had pointed a gun at him, so I

(01:13:02):
put the gun away. I marched back after him and
said no, no, no, no, no, no no, And that's
all I remember happening. So I'm assuming I was taken
after that.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
But yeah, while the last thing if you would, okay, everyone,
not everyone, but there are people saying they want to
know more about the underground situation, and then we can
just wrap it up there if you don't mind.

Speaker 2 (01:13:26):
Well, I'd love to tell you, but it's you know,
it's a lengthy it was a crazy all day event.
I'll speed it up. They took us.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
And we're in that little craft, that airstream trailer and
mom and my brother were completely tranced.

Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
Out, and me, I was in a sedated mood.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
And they take away things like fear, panic, reason and
all those things that make you who you are, and
they turn you into kind of a zombie. But they
didn't take away curiosity. I wanted to see what my
city looked like from above.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
I'd never been in a plane at that point. I
was nine, So I.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
Got out of my seat and I walked up behind
them quietly to look out the quote unquote winshield and
one of them turned and screamed at me, this one's up.
Put him back, and a wave of anger hits me.
Tall gray puts me in my seat. A few minutes later,
the craft is stabilized and they're not working on anything,

(01:14:32):
and the other one who didn't yell at me, swivels
his chair around and says humorously, he's like, what was
your plan anyway?

Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
What were you doing?

Speaker 3 (01:14:43):
And as if I was like going to take over
the ship and put him in headlocks or something, and
I said, I just wanted to see what my city
looks like from above, and the gray said, oh, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
We don't go up. I didn't under stay at him.
And he goes, well, we go up a little bit,
but then we go down.

Speaker 3 (01:15:05):
And they're angry. Alien who yelled at me screamed. They
argue with each other a lot. They're all individuals, but
they're all linked. The hero and screams at the one
who just told me that.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
Shut up? What are you doing.

Speaker 3 (01:15:22):
You can't tell them that, you can't tell them anything.
And the other one says, the nice one, good cop, said, oh,
come on, the kid is curious. That's a good thing, right, Besides,
he's never going to remember any of this.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
And the mean one said, well, just don't next thing
I remember.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
We're getting out of this airstream streamer, airstream, the shovel craft,
and there are hundreds of people.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
It's like a busy train station. They're going.

Speaker 3 (01:16:02):
There are lines of people going this way and that way.
There are lines of people standing in line, frozen and paralyzed,
and I'm completely disoriented. I see mom and my brother
getting led this way through a big.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
Open area and away from me. I panic. I go
after them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:23):
I'm cutting through people in trances who are fully grown,
and I'm a kid and a tall gray season.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
He comes over and he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
Whoa whoa, whoa, where are you going? That's my mom,
that's my family.

Speaker 2 (01:16:36):
I got to go with them.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
And he goes, no, no, no, you're over here, and
he moves me to a line and he puts me
in that line and paralyzes me where I stand. I'm
not panicking anymore, and I'm awake. But you can't even
turn your head. You can move your eyes now. Suddenly
behind me, someone starts waking up and he starts moaning

(01:17:02):
and crying, and then.

Speaker 2 (01:17:04):
He says, this isn't a dream. This is really happening.
This isn't a dream.

Speaker 3 (01:17:12):
Help help me, And he's screaming for help, and they
pulled him out of line, made him disappear down a
corridor before he woke up the herd. And I will
say it was the only time I hate to even
bring them up. It was the only time I saw
reptilians with my own eyes. There was a little stream

(01:17:34):
running between some of the lanes and they were standing
on like a little footbridge, and there were two of them.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
And when this guy started freaking out, they kind of
started laughing, and the tall gray had them come over.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
They were working security. It looked like like it was
there were so many people. There must have been over
three hundred abductees at that site. And yeah, I mean
I have other details, but I know we're so short
on time.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Yeah, well, thank you both. I want to slide it
back to you both so I can see you both. Thanks. Yeah,
thank you both for being here. It's quite quite interesting,
I'll say, very interesting. I really appreciate your time. Thanks
so much.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
You are very.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Welcome, and you know the answers. Now you know what
I'm guesting.

Speaker 3 (01:18:25):
We have told you what is happening, and I urge
you to take it seriously because it's not going to
stop that. This is it the bad news. Take care
of the family, have a great life. But thank you
for having us on, and we're very well. We're very

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glad to be on this historic podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Wow wow, thank you, and thank you for this very
the very nice a little little hit there, very nice tip.
Thank you. All right, So you take care now. We
thank you everyone. We'll be back next Tuesday night at
nine pm and that's with Mary Anne, Rob and Dave

(01:19:07):
Rich and then the following Thursday, hopefully James Fox will
be here. And I do appreciate everyone everyone participating tonight.
Thanks so much. Remember to keep your eyes to this